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  • He said that he didn't want to and they never showed his death so, what do you think?

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    • Good idea, since ultron could have escaped via internet, but his body was destroyed.

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    • I'd like to think Ultron will be back at some point in Phase 3, if JARVIS could essentially hide on the Internet it's not completely out of the question for Ultron to do the same, he could have made a copy of his consciousness as a back-up in case anything went wrong, which of course it did. I personally would like Ultron, Loki and the Collector to have a scene together in Infinity War, the combined over-the-top hammy acting would be a delight to watch. 

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    • Totally agreed. If Masters of Evil is going to appear in Infinity War I want him to be there.

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    • I bet there's a deleted scene of a destroyed Ultron sentinel's head with red lights still emitting from it, like how he always survives in the comics.

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    • I hope so, I mean, Ultron can't be permanently destroyed. The DVD/Blr-ray version contains an alternate ending and extended cut so I think we'll see something like that there.

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    • Patbob23 wrote:
      Good idea, since ultron could have escaped via internet, but his body was destroyed.

      Vision locked Ultron out of the internet. That's what the scene where they're grapppling in the church and Ultron clucthes his head and says: "You lock me out!You think I care."

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    • True, but remember he said that all the Ultron-Bots 'were him' aswell. So taking into account that he was barred from the net, how did he still jump between bots? One can assume that he was blocked from the net, but not blocked from his 'private-internot-net'. If so, and if one bot survived, then he should be able to jump back onto the net at some point by breaking through the block or if some fool tries plugging in a ultronbot-head they found.

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    • We need to face it, there were so many many Ultron bots, it seems they'll definitely be one left to escape far far away from where they could be detected by any avenger.

      Unless that is vision knew about the last one, and that was the end of the movie.

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    • well, if loki survived falling into a black hole (unless that was an illusion), and pretended to die in thor 2, then it is likely that ultron might have faked his death.

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    • Patbob23 wrote: well, if loki survived falling into a black hole (unless that was an illusion), and pretended to die in thor 2, then it is likely that ultron might have faked his death.

      Agreed, Ultron is the Avengers most persistent enemy because he always comes back. So odds are there is a spare Ultron bot in hiding or he left a copy of himself in some secluded part of the internet and now he's just waiting for some opportunity to make a comeback.

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    • Wouldn't it make sense on Ultron's part to have a backup plan of sorts? like he kept one version of himself somewhere just in case of anything bad that might happen. Unless he was too prideful, there must be one backup left at least.

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    • Didn't vision kill the last Ultron alive after chatting with him?

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    • I personally think Ultron is dead. His plan from the moment he was created was to end mankind(even if he doesn't say it out loud yet). Yes vision says that he doesn't want to kill Ultron but remember he said that he was on the side of life. So if Ultron lives then that means essentially there won't be a side for Vision to be on. So I think wholehearty that Vision protected his side by killing Ultron. I know we all like to think that Marvel never kills anyone or anything, but it wouldn't make sense for Ultron to come back. There is no story arch in where Ultron makes sense anymore for the future movies.

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    • 149.152.191.3 wrote: I personally think Ultron is dead. His plan from the moment he was created was to end mankind(even if he doesn't say it out loud yet). Yes vision says that he doesn't want to kill Ultron but remember he said that he was on the side of life. So if Ultron lives then that means essentially there won't be a side for Vision to be on. So I think wholehearty that Vision protected his side by killing Ultron. I know we all like to think that Marvel never kills anyone or anything, but it wouldn't make sense for Ultron to come back. There is no story arch in where Ultron makes sense anymore for the future movies.

      I respectfully disagree, there are a lot of different routes for Ultron to be in other movies, it doesn't necessarily have to be an Avengers one, they could do Annihilation Conquest with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

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    • Then again, it might just be wishful thinking.

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    • Lol I respectively disagree with you by saying I think it's wishful thinking. I think the only reason why this is an actual discussion is because we can't trust Marvel when the decide to kill a character. Is he dead is he gonna come back? I think we can say that Ultron is dead. I agree with the above contributed who says that there are no story arches where Ultron would make sense. Plus there are so many other villains that Marvel has at its disposal, why recycle villains from movies that have already been made.
      
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    • Gloryprv wrote:

      Lol I respectively disagree with you by saying I think it's wishful thinking. I think the only reason why this is an actual discussion is because we can't trust Marvel when the decide to kill a character. Is he dead is he gonna come back? I think we can say that Ultron is dead. I agree with the above contributed who says that there are no story arches where Ultron would make sense. Plus there are so many other villains that Marvel has at its disposal, why recycle villains from movies that have already been made.
      

      I totally agree, we've just become far too distrustful of deaths in Marvel films, James Gunn had to clarify that Ronan was actually dead because people were unsure. I think another part of it though has to do with the fact no one ever stays dead in comics, so that could be another source of the distrust.

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    • I think it's safe to say that anyone who died in AoU is probably dead for good. Which I'm a little sad about. I don't like giving out spoilers but that's my opinion on that particular part of the movie.

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    • Gloryprv wrote: I think it's safe to say that anyone who died in AoU is probably dead for good. Which I'm a little sad about. I don't like giving out spoilers but that's my opinion on that particular part of the movie.

      While I agree that they're dead, I'm kind of hoping that when the Infinity War starts Thanos uses the Soul Stone to resurrect many of the villains and heroes that died to fight against the Avengers. Meaning some of them could come back permanently if all goes well.

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    • Woah that would be a lot of villains. For the sake of Marvel I hope they don't do that. That's what I feel went wrong with Amazing Spiderman 2 there were way to many villians packed in just a two hour movie. There was so much story they were trying to show plus there were orgin stories for those villains it was just all to much for one movie.I feel like for the next two Avenger movies they are going to need to switch it up. They can't do the same thing that they did with the other movies. I want them to really show Thanos as the villian. Really tell us what Thanos wants the stones. Thanos is so badass that he's not going to need other villians to really be a challenge for the Avengers. For god sake he has the the infinity stones.

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    • My thought was Thanos brings back the dead villains and heroes to fight the Avengers because it would mess with their heads. Thanos also has a major ego, he would consider fighting them when he has the completed Infinity Gauntlet beneath him. And those resurrected wouldn't necessarily play a part in the story beyond fighting as they will be under his control, they'll be more like cannon fodder. If some, like Quicksilver, happen to fully come back to life afterward it's just an added bonus to us the fans.

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    • I'm really not sure how they'll treat the Infinity War. In theory, the Gauntlet will give Thanos essentially unlimited power, and the capability to do pretty much anything. But for a movie to be believable as a major feature in a series that's so far managed to stay sober enough not to descend into ridiculousness over its many parts, I think you can't really do "anything at all". There's a reason people avoid writing omnipotent villains: either they waste their ability to do lame things, or the action looks utterly ridiculous when they try and fail to express "infinite" abilities, or the plot has no logic (why would it if the villain can do anything).

      I'm really quite curious how the MCU will tackle this, because after 20 movies' worth of lead-in we kinda expect Thanos to be serious. Which pushes the authors to really make him omnipotent or nearly so, which in turns has a huge risk of making the movie ridiculous. So far, both Avengers movies managed to not come across as completely silly only, IMO, by having their feet on the ground and making sure anyone in the audience will actually believe that the stuff they do could actually happen (okay, the artificial asteroid made from a city in AoU was pushing it a little, but not so much more than alien whales in New York, when you think about it). ("Actually" not as in "in real life", but as in within the parameters of the real world populated with some super-powered people and some aliens that the MCU has set up.)

      I'm not sure I'd be able to take Thanos waving around a brass glove and bringing Strucker, Pierce, Ultron, Schmidt, and who knows who else back from the dead for one more battle seriously; it sounds too much like a C-list TV movie to me.

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    • Unless they just keep a villain return for part one, and part two is all Thanos?

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    • To Bluetopia wrote: Unless they just keep a villain return for part one, and part two is all Thanos?

      I could see that, Part 1 is about Thanos getting the Stones and heading off to fulfill the next stages of his plan. Before he leaves he brings back various dead characters to fight the Avengers for the finale. Both to try and kill them for interfering in his plans and to spite them.

      Part 2 would likely involve the Avengers heading off into space to confront him, possibly running into the GotG, somehow getting a Stone away from him, and then using the Infinity Gauntlet on Asgard to control their Stone for a final confrontation with Thanos.

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    • Misacek01 wrote:

      okay, the artificial asteroid made from a city in AoU was pushing it a little, but not so much more than alien whales in New York, when you think about it). ("Actually" not as in "in real life", but as in within the parameters of the real world populated with some super-powered people and some aliens that the MCU has set up.)

      So having an artificial asteroid and alien whales is ridiculous in a suphero,comic book movie?


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    • I just don't think bringing back the dead is a good idea, especially villians.

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    • FortressMaximus93 wrote:

      To Bluetopia wrote: Unless they just keep a villain return for part one, and part two is all Thanos?

      I could see that, Part 1 is about Thanos getting the Stones and heading off to fulfill the next stages of his plan. Before he leaves he brings back various dead characters to fight the Avengers for the finale. Both to try and kill them for interfering in his plans and to spite them.

      Part 2 would likely involve the Avengers heading off into space to confront him, possibly running into the GotG, somehow getting a Stone away from him, and then using the Infinity Gauntlet on Asgard to control their Stone for a final confrontation with Thanos.

      Exactly, it wouldn't be overplayed, nor would they over shadow Thanos.

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    • I think Vision didn't kill Ultron at last. And Ultron will come back in Avenger part2 to help the avengers to fight Thanos. WHY?

      In AOU, Ultron wants to destroy humans because he wants world peace. So, when Thanos invade earth, Ultron thinks that Thanos is the biggest threat to world peace, therefore eliminating Thanos is the means to keep world peace. And Ultron will help avengers.

      I think in part1 of Avengers3, thanos is just too strong to defeat, so Ultron will appear in part2 as a surprise to help the avengers.

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    • I don't think Ultron would have any reason to help, Thanos kinda wants to destroy everything, which is almost what Ultron wants.

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    • According to the comics he can't be destroyed but in the movie it says otherwise

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    • In the movie Ultron cant die because he was connect into the internet, but in the last battle of the movie, Vision disconnect him from the internet and from this way Ultron lost the ability to create new bodys or to move to another place. When the Avengers destroy his Vibranium body, his Army and Wanda finally destroys Ultron last body, then is only one body left...

      One little Ultron army body, Vision then destroy it and that is the end of Ultron...

      But inside Vision body is still Ultron software, because Ultron before gets stopedfind the way to download 40 % of his software to Vision body, so without the gem Ultron is inside that body.

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    • AleSir19 wrote: In the movie Ultron cant die because he was connect into the internet, but in the last battle of the movie, Vision disconnect him from the internet and from this way Ultron lost the ability to create new bodys or to move to another place. When the Avengers destroy his Vibranium body, his Army and Wanda finally destroys Ultron last body, then is only one body left...

      I mean Vision didnt actually shoot Ultron, he let Ultron alive and try to change his thought. Otherwise, the director would not use several mins to describe the onversation between Vision and Ultron. And u cant tell Vision shoots Ultron just by seeing some light

      One little Ultron army body, Vision then destroy it and that is the end of Ultron...

      But inside Vision body is still Ultron software, because Ultron before gets stopedfind the way to download 40 % of his software to Vision body, so without the gem Ultron is inside that body.

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    • AleSir19 wrote: In the movie Ultron cant die because he was connect into the internet, but in the last battle of the movie, Vision disconnect him from the internet and from this way Ultron lost the ability to create new bodys or to move to another place. When the Avengers destroy his Vibranium body, his Army and Wanda finally destroys Ultron last body, then is only one body left...

      One little Ultron army body, Vision then destroy it and that is the end of Ultron...

      But inside Vision body is still Ultron software, because Ultron before gets stopedfind the way to download 40 % of his software to Vision body, so without the gem Ultron is inside that body.

      I mean Vision didnt actually shoot Ultron, he let Ultron alive and try to change his thought. Otherwise, the director would not use several mins to describe the onversation between Vision and Ultron. And u cant tell Vision shoots Ultron just by seeing some light

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    • He destroy last Ultron body, but not the last Ultron software, because that is inside vision himself, so this is deep, because he kill the disease but the disease will always be inside him you know? That is some deep shit, but he really destroy the last body of ultron, but that never mind, in phase 1 Marvel kills Iron Monger, Wiplash, almost kill Abomination, "Kills" Loki and Red Skull, in phase 2 they have kill The Mandarin, Malekith and the Curse, Alexander Pierce, Ronan and now Ultron is like? WTF they have alredy kill people get over it.

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    • AleSir19 wrote: He destroy last Ultron body, but not the last Ultron software, because that is inside vision himself, so this is deep, because he kill the disease but the disease will always be inside him you know? That is some deep shit, but he really destroy the last body of ultron, but that never mind, in phase 1 Marvel kills Iron Monger, Wiplash, almost kill Abomination, "Kills" Loki and Red Skull, in phase 2 they have kill The Mandarin, Malekith and the Curse, Alexander Pierce, Ronan and now Ultron is like? WTF they have alredy kill people get over it.

      That's a thought actually, that some of Ultron is still left in Vision.

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    • I will let this really clear, Vision destroy Ultron, but Ultron is inside Vision, because if you watch the movie you will see the avengers stop Ultron from download his software to the body but not from begin the download and later i think they say Vision body have 40 % of the software inside. 

      In one way or another the Mind Gem is what make Vision be Vision, because the gem is mix with Jarvis operative system and Ultron system, without the gem we know who won the battle the last time.

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    • So then when Thanos does eventually take the mind stone out of vision, ultron could come back in the form of vision's body during infinity war, just playing a small role as such but it would be cool to see.

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    • That actually makes a lot of sense. I didnt remember about that 40℅ downloaded. 

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    • Gloryprv wrote:
      That actually makes a lot of sense. I didnt remember about that 40℅ downloaded. 

      You know the part when Ultron see the Vision body and connects himself and begin the download after he puts the stone inside the body and then Scarlet Witch begins to "read" the mind of the body because know Ultron would have soul and will be almost human...

      Is here when the download is like in 20 % or 40 % something like that and after she see the plan of Ultron of destroy the world, then she decides to stop him with his brother Pietro, in this part they stop the download that was like in that 20 % or 40 %

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    • No I remember that part I just didn't realize that, that 40% could eventually become an issue, when I made my previous argument. 

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    • Ultron was made by loki's staff, and ultron had programmed part of himself into the synthetic human creator that made vision, so maybe ultron will come like that?

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    • Patbob23 wrote:
      Ultron was made by loki's staff, and ultron had programmed part of himself into the synthetic human creator that made vision, so maybe ultron will come like that?

      He will comeback when the infinity stone (the mind gem) that is who gives the mind and soul to Vision, gets out of the body of the superhero, in that moment the software of Ultron will come again in action...

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    • My theory is that in the post-credits scene for ant-man, hank pym finds ultrons mind and then decides to make him like the comics

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    • Despite all of the hopefulness, I really doubt his return or anything. Even though Ultron was great, he's just a super one-shot villain; The only reason he's in MCU is because of Joss Whedon, who's outie now, anyways. People keep turning to the fact we didn't actually see his death, and Vision's not wanting to kill him: Face the facts, he's dead. There was a flash of light, which was obviously his Infinity Gem, which intended to be the final blow. He wasn't absorbed, he didn't escape in the Internet, nothing like that. He's dead.

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    • HyperactivePotato wrote:
      Despite all of the hopefulness, I really doubt his return or anything. Even though Ultron was great, he's just a super one-shot villain; The only reason he's in MCU is because of Joss Whedon, who's outie now, anyways. People keep turning to the fact we didn't actually see his death, and Vision's not wanting to kill him: Face the facts, he's dead. There was a flash of light, which was obviously his Infinity Gem, which intended to be the final blow. He wasn't absorbed, he didn't escape in the Internet, nothing like that. He's dead.


      Buzzkill.

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    • Patbob23 wrote:
      HyperactivePotato wrote:
      Despite all of the hopefulness, I really doubt his return or anything. Even though Ultron was great, he's just a super one-shot villain; The only reason he's in MCU is because of Joss Whedon, who's outie now, anyways. People keep turning to the fact we didn't actually see his death, and Vision's not wanting to kill him: Face the facts, he's dead. There was a flash of light, which was obviously his Infinity Gem, which intended to be the final blow. He wasn't absorbed, he didn't escape in the Internet, nothing like that. He's dead.

      Buzzkill.

      We know he is dead, i think that go really clear, only an idiot would think Ultron is not dead, Ultron was kill, but his software remains in Vision, that is say before in the movie, that Vision without the Infinity Gem is Ultron in his perfect form, Ultron in a "human body".

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    • HOW AWESOME WOULD IT BE IF DURING THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN ULTRON AND VISION (WHERE VISION LOCKED ULTRON OUT OF THE INTERNET) THE ULTRON DOWNLOADED A SMALL PART OF HIMSELF INSIDE VISIONS PROGRAMMING. AND LATER ON VISION STARTS GETTIN A LIL NUTTY, RAMBLING ABOUT STRINGS AND STARK....

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    • ALSO, just throwin this  out there.....i dont think that mcu need sto go to th trouble of givin us Adam Warlock during INfinity War. we already have an artificial man in possesion of the mind stone in Vision. i mean ill be stoked if they wanna go th Warlock route but they dont really need to anymore.

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    • Isn't it possible to draw in and contain entities within the mind stone? Could Vision be purposefully be keeping Ultron as a poison pill for whoever tries to use the stone and isn't aware Ultron is held captive within it?

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    • I think a major part of Vision being in the film and locking him out of the internet and how they worked so hard to stop all the Ultron bots with Ultron even saying at one point it was "all" of him and having those scenes where Wanda and Vision each spoke to the "last" Ultron bot was to assure that he was really gone for good... Plus, Vision sort of is Ultron-- a good 70+% of him anyway. It was just that last corrupted part that didn't transfer.

      And if he still existed in a robot form then surely he would still be working on enacting his plan.

      However, he does seem like a villain worth coming back if they ever decide to go the route of having a villain team face the Avengers. Face it-- of all the Ironman-centric villains he was by far the best, you aren't going to top him.

      The solution is pretty simple, really. If Ultron got onto the internet, there is no reason to think he could have really been completely removed. There could always be some back up copy of him hidden within some server out there that happened to be disconnected when Vision tried deleting all versions of him on the web. In that case there would be some version of Ultron backed up prior to that big battle sitting inside a server somewhere but totally without a body to act with and no easy means to regain one for the time being.

      This would make the Avengers victory not at all meaningless, would certainly explain why Ultron seemed completely destroyed and went dormant and yet could still allow him to return in a form to team up with other villains in the future.

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    • When Vision locked Ultron from escaping, Ultron stated very clearly: "You lock me out! You think I care." It is possible that Vision cut Ultron’s connection to the internet and a part of Ultron is still on the other side. It’s still there, hiding. Ultron’s bodies are destroyed, but his mind is still alive. One part is contained in the yellow gem of Vision, the other part is on the internet. I say it is very much possible that Ultron will be back. Beside, killing a villain only makes a story boring.

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    • Kill, no destroy yes

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    • in infinity war , they said that vision absorbed ultron

       
      
       
      
       
      
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    • really?

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