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  • Part Ten of the beloved saga.

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    • Um... Cloak and Dagger is not 2015....

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    • Yeah sorry. I forgot to edit the main message for the Thread. I created because of @The Wikia Editor request but I didn't have too much time so I just put the "."

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    • @Marvelous345678, l was referring to the comments made by Mrmichaelt at the end of Part 9

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    • BETJ thanks for the Jessica Jones dates. Got them placed and am gonna work it out now

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    • Had some thoughts with the chronology of Luke Cage season 2 based on what l have read. Seems as though the beginning of Episode 5 starts on August 29 2017 and Episode 11 finishes up on September 4 2017 based on Misty Knight mentioning that the West Indian Parade happens 'today'. 

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote: l was referring to the comments made by Mrmichaelt at the end of Part 9

      I'm just keeping the year in my head as a possibility.

      I'm a little curious if S.H.I.E.L.D., Inhumans, and/or the Sokovia Accords will get a mention on C&D. Like would someone who read about Inhuman breakouts in the news, for example, would mistake Tyrone and Tandy for Inhumans.

      BEJT wrote: A time gap is probably possible, I haven't really been focusing on the day-to-day stuff because I'd like a year first before I start doing all that, but you make a good point about the psych eval. April 18th is a possible date for the accident I guess, like how we've occasionally had to say "Right date, wrong year" to things before. Those incidents, though, are when the date (ignoring the year) happens to line up anyway so we might as well - like how Tony's return in Iron Man places itself in May so May 4th might as well be used, and the newspaper in Iron Man 3 places itself on December 23rd so December 23rd might as well be used (as a matter of fact, everything else placed it there anyway). There's nothing particularly placing it in April yet, but we'll see.

      It's, for the lack of a better term, a little irksome that they keep saying "8 years" in dialogue and timestamps and no character has said the exact month and day to verify or disprove April 18. And yeah, there's nothing else to place it in April unless someone can find a hi-res still of Ivan's calendar in his hospital room in "Lotus Eaters" - it was right above his head in a few scenes (but it could just be another prop that adds to the contradictions). Or maybe in an upcoming school scene at St. Sebastian, they might be talking about prom or there are fliers up on a bulletin board about it.

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      The anniversary doesn't necessarily have to be on April 18th though, but thanks for checking that. I've pretty much let go of 2015 though at this point, it's just not looking at all possible. When I list all the evidence again after the season finishes next week, it might help again to give the full picture of where the evidence adds up to place things.
      You're welcome and fair enough. Noted.
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    • First of all, Inhumans happens in Hawaii during August 2016 meaning, as Hawaii is separate from the other 51 US states ensures it wouldn’t be mentioned on a large scale. People in Hawaii would talk about who a man used his voice to flip a police car but that’s it, not much else can be stated.

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote: First of all, Inhumans happens in Hawaii during August 2016 meaning, as Hawaii is separate from the other 51 US states ensures it wouldn’t be mentioned on a large scale. People in Hawaii would talk about who a man used his voice to flip a police car but that’s it, not much else can be stated.

      I wasn't referring to the television series.
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    • It's, for the lack of a better term, a little irksome that they keep saying "8 years" in dialogue and timestamps and no character has said the exact month and day to verify or disprove April 18. And yeah, there's nothing else to place it in April unless someone can find a hi-res still of Ivan's calendar in his hospital room in "Lotus Eaters" - it was right above his head in a few scenes (but it could just be another prop that adds to the contradictions). Or maybe in an upcoming school scene at St. Sebastian, they might be talking about prom or there are fliers up on a bulletin board about it.

      Tried looking for a close of said calendar but it doesn't seem to have a close up shot! All seems to be from afar which is unreadable!

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      Deadpooled123 wrote: Um... Cloak and Dagger is not 2015....

      His mention of 2015 was understandable. In most circumstances, a clear ""2007-04-18" and then it explicitly being the 8-year anniversary would be a simple answer - that it's now April 18, 2015. But the timeline for Cloak & Dagger is so fraught with contradiction that it does just look like 2007/2015 can't work.


      CirUmeUela wrote: BETJ thanks for the Jessica Jones dates. Got them placed and am gonna work it out now

      No problem, and I'll work out the timings of the scenes for how they interweave with some later events in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: Had some thoughts with the chronology of Luke Cage season 2 based on what l have read. Seems as though the beginning of Episode 5 starts on August 29 2017 and Episode 11 finishes up on September 4 2017 based on Misty Knight mentioning that the West Indian Parade happens 'today'. 

      Sounds about right, as mentioned before, I'll have those exact dates for the season very soon. It's one of the few tabs I'm editing.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: I'm just keeping the year in my head as a possibility.

      I'm a little curious if S.H.I.E.L.D., Inhumans, and/or the Sokovia Accords will get a mention on C&D. Like would someone who read about Inhuman breakouts in the news, for example, would mistake Tyrone and Tandy for Inhumans.

      The show's been pretty good at references so far, so I wouldn't say it's impossible. If not, in Season 2, which is apparently going to air in Spring 2019 (a bit earlier than this season did).


      Mrmichaelt wrote: It's, for the lack of a better term, a little irksome that they keep saying "8 years" in dialogue and timestamps and no character has said the exact month and day to verify or disprove April 18. And yeah, there's nothing else to place it in April unless someone can find a hi-res still of Ivan's calendar in his hospital room in "Lotus Eaters" - it was right above his head in a few scenes (but it could just be another prop that adds to the contradictions). Or maybe in an upcoming school scene at St. Sebastian, they might be talking about prom or there are fliers up on a bulletin board about it.

      I noticed the calendar in that episode but couldn't make anything out from it. However, looking as best as I could, I thought it might actually just be some sort of table/itinerary. There seem to be boxes missing and not enough boxes for a calendar - it's a bit weird, and if it's a calendar, it's not conventional.


      Bussterj wrote: Tried looking for a close of said calendar but it doesn't seem to have a close up shot! All seems to be from afar which is unreadable!

      Yeah I found it unreadable too.

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    • BEJT wrote:
      Right, thanks. I saw the celebrations in the trailer and wondered if it might have some significance, but didn't know what it could be.

      That wouldn't be ideal, but if it's 2017, it could work. Because the end of the season and the state finals were seemingly not much more than a week apart - they were saying they were "next week" from like Episode 1 or 2. Usually the end of the season is mid-February and the state finals early March, so I was thinking we were going to have to push them a bit inwards either way, but if this firmly places it in late February, then we could use the mid-February end of season date and then the following week or so for the state finals, a bit early but fitting with Mardi Gras. It could be nice to get a firm date and push aside the October phone date.

      I thought about how the state finals could have been referring to the end of the regular basketball season, which, in 2017, was on February 18. However, this didn't really work since they were obviously talking about the state championships.

      Fortunately, we can assume that the festival seen in the trailer is Jazz Fest.

      BEJT wrote:
      I agree 2009-2017 is probably best. It's just that the October date was so clearly shown on-screen, so it's hard to completely push aside. But then again, the 2007 date was also clearly shown on-screen. I don't like the October date either so I'm just kinda hoping something more concrete allows us to discard it.

      I didn't think the Roxxon ID was of much significance because it just covers a full year, any year.

      BEJT wrote:
      I'm sure it was the filming date, especially since Episodes 2-10 filmed July-November, so October for the filming of Episode 8 is about right. Considering the laziness of their timeline props, I don't doubt they just showed the date on the phone. I just think it was so blatantly shown that it's hard to immediately discard, but as I was saying, I'm really hoping we can just throw it aside.

      Wait, so you think Adina's ID was issued recently? I probably missed something there, do they talk about how it's a new ID or something? I didn't catch that which was why I didn't really see the ID as significant. That could be helpful then.

      BEJT wrote:
      Well, not definitely, because it could help with the slight basketball problem as mentioned. Although if you're saying that the March date on the ID could have some significance, then yeah, that could be a problem.

      Well, there is nothing that indicates that the ID was issued recently. At best, it indicates that Episode 8 occurs either before March 11 or otherwise on or after March 12. I was working on the assumption that the episode was in mid-March and took place the following Thursday after March 12.

      However, it seems that we might be moving these events to mid-April, so it makes the ID less relevant.

      BEJT wrote:
      It is unfortunate, and having now learned a bit more about how this was actually previously dealt with 6 years ago, I've become a bit less sympathetic to Disney's actions. This was dealt with 6 years ago, so why, when these people bring it up again (people who are specifically attacking Gunn to get him fired), do Disney talk about how they've "discovered" these tweets and now have to fire him (thus also letting these people win). They were aware and things moved on in 2012. It's interesting following the response online, with many celebrities and critics and people involved with the Hollywood scene actually having the courage to stand up for him despite his mistakes.

      Yeah, it definitely makes the firing rather unjustified. The best case scenario is that they re-hire Gunn and issue a public apology. The petition to get Disney to re-hire Gunn has already received 270.000 out of the required 300.000. With a bit of luck, this could get resolved.

      BEJT wrote:
      I'm not sure that they foresaw the extent of the inter-connectivity back in 2008, beyond perhaps just a wild dream. But I do always enjoy a reference (except when the Netflix shows start going on about "the Incident" and "the green guy" and don't just talk more explicitly about these things), such as this Stark reference and last week's Misty mention.

      I don't really mind it when they refer to it as "The Incident", since it's pretty common for certain events to get some sort of local nickname that everyone within the community can recognize. I do agree, however, that it's a bit silly when they try to avoid naming any of the Avengers by name.

      Although, they are getting a bit more comfortable with referencing them directly. Claire's mother outright talked about aliens and Captain America was referenced in Jessica Jones: Season 2 a lot more overtly than in Jessica Jones: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 1.

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      A time gap is probably possible, I haven't really been focusing on the day-to-day stuff because I'd like a year first before I start doing all that, but you make a good point about the psych eval. April 18th is a possible date for the accident I guess, like how we've occasionally had to say "Right date, wrong year" to things before. Those incidents, though, are when the date (ignoring the year) happens to line up anyway so we might as well - like how Tony's return in Iron Man places itself in May so May 4th might as well be used, and the newspaper in Iron Man 3 places itself on December 23rd so December 23rd might as well be used (as a matter of fact, everything else placed it there anyway). There's nothing particularly placing it in April yet, but we'll see.

      Assuming Episode 9 and 10 will take place during Jazz Fest, it would pretty much place those episodes in late April. Of course, we'll still have to determine whether or not a time skip (or multiple time skips) occured in between episodes.

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      Good point, yeah, they're kind of grouping it all together, which is nice in this time when things are less connected.

      I'd definitely like some more connectivity in the future. But yeah, I know the logistics involved in making any kind of crossovers happen makes things difficult. Oh well, someday perhaps.

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      The anniversary doesn't necessarily have to be on April 18th though, but thanks for checking that. I've pretty much let go of 2015 though at this point, it's just not looking at all possible. When I list all the evidence again after the season finishes next week, it might help again to give the full picture of where the evidence adds up to place things.

      We'll have to wait and see, but I agree that 2015 doesn't really seem possible at this point.

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    • BEJT wrote: I noticed the calendar in that episode but couldn't make anything out from it. However, looking as best as I could, I thought it might actually just be some sort of table/itinerary. There seem to be boxes missing and not enough boxes for a calendar - it's a bit weird, and if it's a calendar, it's not conventional.

      That's probably it - a daily itinerary for the hospital staff.
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    • The anniversary of Billy Johnson's death falls on the date 'October 5'. Hopefully this can put the Roxxon Incident on 'October 5 2008'. 

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    • October 5 2006 = Thursday, October 5 2007 = Friday, October 5 2008 = Sunday, October 5 2009 = Monday, October 5 2010 = Tuesday.  The weather of October 2017 for New Orleans after researching seems to put October 5 (if 2017) as 83/73 Farenheit High/Low, no Precipitation, no Snow, the Average High/Low being 84/66 Farenheit which matches what was displayed in Episode 8 of Cloak and Dagger. 

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote:
      The anniversary of Billy Johnson's death falls on the date 'October 5'. Hopefully this can put the Roxxon Incident on 'October 5 2008'.

      It's pretty much agreed that the "October 5" date on the phone was just the date of filming. It doesn't match up with the basketball season or the festival seen in the trailer.

      April 18 as the date of the explosion seems more likely, although that could also change depending on what we'll see in the remaining 2 episodes.

      Deadpooled123 wrote:
      October 5 2006 = Thursday, October 5 2007 = Friday, October 5 2008 = Sunday, October 5 2009 = Monday, October 5 2010 = Tuesday.  The weather of October 2017 for New Orleans after researching seems to put October 5 (if 2017) as 83/73 Farenheit High/Low, no Precipitation, no Snow, the Average High/Low being 84/66 Farenheit which matches what was displayed in Episode 8 of Cloak and Dagger. 

      The research is definitely appreciated, but like I said, October 5 doesn't match up with the other evidence, which points more towards March-April at this point. Hopefully, the remaining 2 episodes of this season will provide us with more accurate evidence.

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    • But if the phone states October 5 and then they talk about the anniversary of Billy Johnson, there’s in fact a time jump from February/March/April to October (2017).

      I don’t believe Marvel could let a date turn out so bad like this where it contradicts the whole show without assessing it properly.

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    • Also!!!! Filming of Cloak and Dagger began on February 8 2017 to begin an 86 day period for the remainder of the season!! This has no involvement with October 5 2017 so thanks for your suggestion The Wikia Editor but Cloak and Dagger was NOT filmed in the month of October at all. If you believe otherwise, then this series has either made its own mistakes or we as a forum group have not observed the details correctly.

      • This leads the date October 5 being critical to the storyline of Cloak and Dagger’. BEJT - please take note of this****.

      Also, for those that deny the MCU is interconnected as a whole, Disney chipped in $11.2 million of the total $42 million proving that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are still connected like always since Iron Man and when both became under the helm of Disney in 2009.

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    • So if l am correct, Cloak and Dagger begins on February 2017 and ends around March 2018 placing Mardi Gras depicted in the trailer. The post credit scene, in this case, should show the Thanos snap rather than a tease for the 2nd season. No show in the MCU has needed to do a post credit scene unless the material deviates from the show’s main theme like Ant Man and The Wasp for example. All the teases for future seasons have happened as the show ends (Inhumans, AoS) but they only tease episodes to come in the same season. A large time jump makes sense, Roxxon are known to be dangerous whilst keeping secrets well protected.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote: I thought about how the state finals could have been referring to the end of the regular basketball season, which, in 2017, was on February 18. However, this didn't really work since they were obviously talking about the state championships.

      Fortunately, we can assume that the festival seen in the trailer is Jazz Fest.

      What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

      My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras - if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season 4-7 days later and the finals 4-7 days earlier, we instead use the normal real world dates for the end of the basketball season, unchanged (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so after that (to match the dialogue) so that is the only event which does the shifting - about 8-14 days earlier. Then the state finals would be around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later.

      But we'll see what happens with the festival. It's likely that they'll name whatever celebration it is (it was weird that they didn't in Iron Fist).


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, there is nothing that indicates that the ID was issued recently. At best, it indicates that Episode 8 occurs either before March 11 or otherwise on or after March 12. I was working on the assumption that the episode was in mid-March and took place the following Thursday after March 12.

      However, it seems that we might be moving these events to mid-April, so it makes the ID less relevant.

      I guess it's not that much of an indication though, because it technically just means it could be any day of the year. It's a bit weird that the ID doesn't have a year on it though, because an expiration date that doesn't have a year is kind of pointless. Oh well.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, it definitely makes the firing rather unjustified. The best case scenario is that they re-hire Gunn and issue a public apology. The petition to get Disney to re-hire Gunn has already received 270.000 out of the required 300.000. With a bit of luck, this could get resolved.

      I don't think there's a certain number required, just the goal at any given time. They originally had lower goals, but every time they hit a goal, the goal increases. So for example, now they're at about 316,000 signatures and the goal is now 500,000.

      I don't know that Disney will rehire him because they might think it will look like they're weak and indecisive, to reverse a decision after the public complain. And the firing was about them just caring how they're publicly perceived in the first place - I think that's the main thing they care about rather than Gunn's career, sadly.

      But I hope he's involved in some capacity, even if it's just them using what he's already done - the script - and he just has no further involvement from this point. But a few people with more knowledge than me about this stuff seem to think there might be a chance... we'll see, who knows what's going on behind-the-scenes.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: I don't really mind it when they refer to it as "The Incident", since it's pretty common for certain events to get some sort of local nickname that everyone within the community can recognize. I do agree, however, that it's a bit silly when they try to avoid naming any of the Avengers by name.

      Although, they are getting a bit more comfortable with referencing them directly. Claire's mother outright talked about aliens and Captain America was referenced in Jessica Jones: Season 2 a lot more overtly than in Jessica Jones: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 1.

      Yeah I did really enjoy the direct discussion about Captain America in Jessica Jones: Season 2, even mentioning him fighting aliens - it felt like the Netflix shows kind of coming out of their shell a bit and becoming brave enough to reference the films more overtly. As well as that, there was the references to the Raft, which I also enjoyed, because sometimes it's almost like these Netflix shows exist in their own timeline (not literally, just in terms of how it feels) that just branched off from The Avengers and never properly reconverged with the films. So stringing us back in with references to Civil War was nice.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Assuming Episode 9 and 10 will take place during Jazz Fest, it would pretty much place those episodes in late April. Of course, we'll still have to determine whether or not a time skip (or multiple time skips) occured in between episodes.

      We'll see about the festival and if it's Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest or something else, but it's good to know about the possibility of Jazz Fest if they're vague about it.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: That's probably it - a daily itinerary for the hospital staff.

      That was my thinking, yeah. Hopefully HD screencaps will come soon enough to know for sure.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: October 5 2006 = Thursday, October 5 2007 = Friday, October 5 2008 = Sunday, October 5 2009 = Monday, October 5 2010 = Tuesday.  The weather of October 2017 for New Orleans after researching seems to put October 5 (if 2017) as 83/73 Farenheit High/Low, no Precipitation, no Snow, the Average High/Low being 84/66 Farenheit which matches what was displayed in Episode 8 of Cloak and Dagger. 

      The date on the screen is "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017, so as well as suggesting the date is October 5th, it also suggests that it's October 5, 2017 (though days of the week in the MCU are often inconsistent with the given year, so it's sort of indirect evidence for the year). But if it were October 5, 2017, then that would make the accident October 5, 2009.

      But the October date doesn't match much and is very likely just the date of filming - not intended for the timeline placement. Unless something else backs it up, it will probably not work, it's just a shame that it's so blatant.

      Sure, October works for weather (I mean, it's when they filmed it, so it would fit with the weather present), but it's not particularly significant weather for the timeline. And if you look here, the temperatures are very similar in New Orleans in October and March/April.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: It's pretty much agreed that the "October 5" date on the phone was just the date of filming. It doesn't match up with the basketball season or the festival seen in the trailer.

      April 18 as the date of the explosion seems more likely, although that could also change depending on what we'll see in the remaining 2 episodes.

      The Wikia Editor wrote: The research is definitely appreciated, but like I said, October 5 doesn't match up with the other evidence, which points more towards March-April at this point. Hopefully, the remaining 2 episodes of this season will provide us with more accurate evidence.

      I should mention that a phone or laptop date being the date of filming doesn't make it completely irrelevant. It is still a date on a personal device within the universe, suggesting it is the in-universe date. They shouldn't just be discarded. The thing is, when I'm weighing up evidence such as dates on phones and things, there are two things to consider:

      • In-universe possibility of error. In the MCU world, how likely is it that the date is incorrect? For example, there's a reasonable likelihood of someone's laptop being programmed with the wrong date - more likely than a newspaper printing the wrong date.
      • Out-of-universe possibility of error - makers' intention. This is more important when it comes to a fictional, contradictory timeline. The creators' choice to make a date very visible suggests it is intentional to be seen and thus used to establish the timeline. If the date is on a background and/or tiny prop, it is much more likely to have been a throwaway detail with not much thought put into it and therefore less reliable for establishing the timeline. This is why visibility does play a part in reliability - because it is directly correlated to intention.

      Now, the thing is, the 2007 date and the October date are both very strong pieces of evidence in terms of out-of-universe intention, because they are so clearly shown, suggesting the viewer is meant to see them. But not only are they mutually incompatible, they both play a part in the much wider web of nonsense that is the Cloak & Dagger timeline.

      They both have some in-universe possibility of error, considering the devices both perhaps could have the wrong settings, but the October date being the date of filming weakens the out-of-universe reliability. Because if the date wasn't the date of filming, then the makers' intention is clearly for that to be the date of the setting - it has been specifically reprogrammed to show that date. But when a date of filming shows up, the likelihood is that they just haven't bothered to think about the date, and so it weakens the piece of evidence, as the intention is lesser. That's why sometimes we bring into consideration when a date is more than likely just a filming date.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: But if the phone states October 5 and then they talk about the anniversary of Billy Johnson, there’s in fact a time jump from February/March/April to October (2017).

      I don’t believe Marvel could let a date turn out so bad like this where it contradicts the whole show without assessing it properly.

      There's no way there's a 6-month time jump in the show, that just doesn't work.

      Honestly, I do believe Marvel could let a date turn out that badly. I wouldn't believe it for everything, but for this show? Yes. This show continues to create a nonsensical, contradictory timeline and the 2007 date we saw so blatantly before is also more than likely wrong. So I really wouldn't put too much emphasis on this October date. That said, I wouldn't completely discard it either.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: Also!!!! Filming of Cloak and Dagger began on February 8 2017 to begin an 86 day period for the remainder of the season!! This has no involvement with October 5 2017 so thanks for your suggestion The Wikia Editor but Cloak and Dagger was NOT filmed in the month of October at all. If you believe otherwise, then this series has either made its own mistakes or we as a forum group have not observed the details correctly.

      • This leads the date October 5 being critical to the storyline of Cloak and Dagger’. BEJT - please take note of this****.

      Also, for those that deny the MCU is interconnected as a whole, Disney chipped in $11.2 million of the total $42 million proving that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are still connected like always since Iron Man and when both became under the helm of Disney in 2009.

      No, the pilot filmed in February, and then Episodes 2-10 filmed July 24-November 2, 2017. The middle of filming for Episode 8 would have been approximately [July 24, 2017] + ((7.5 - 1) / (10 - 1)) * ([November 2, 2017] - [July 24, 2017]) = [July 24, 2017] + (6.5 / 9) * 101 days = October 4.9, 2017. It lines up perfectly with the filming date, with the middle of filming for Episode 8 being roughly October 5, 2017, and the date shown being October 5, 2017. I mentioned this before:

      BEJT wrote: I'm sure it was the filming date, especially since Episodes 2-10 filmed July-November, so October for the filming of Episode 8 is about right. Considering the laziness of their timeline props, I don't doubt they just showed the date on the phone. I just think it was so blatantly shown that it's hard to immediately discard, but as I was saying, I'm really hoping we can just throw it aside.

      It's not necessarily critical.

      As for the connections between the studios, yeah, they're connected, definitely. But they're not the same thing, with one creative figure at the head of both, they are separate studios under the same umbrella who work together but also sometimes clash. Basically, it's not one universe run by one studio, and so things often don't quite gel or cross over as much as they might.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: So if l am correct, Cloak and Dagger begins on February 2017 and ends around March 2018 placing Mardi Gras depicted in the trailer. The post credit scene, in this case, should show the Thanos snap rather than a tease for the 2nd season. No show in the MCU has needed to do a post credit scene unless the material deviates from the show’s main theme like Ant Man and The Wasp for example. All the teases for future seasons have happened as the show ends (Inhumans, AoS) but they only tease episodes to come in the same season. A large time jump makes sense, Roxxon are known to be dangerous whilst keeping secrets well protected.

      No, the season doesn't span a whole 13 months, it just can't. Let's just see how things play out.

      I really doubt the post-credits scene will address the snap. The shows do extra scenes at the end quite often (granted, most of the time it's not literally a post-credits scene, as in "after the credits", but to all intents and purposes they're like post-credits scenes), and they're just a little bit of intriguing/cliffhanger stuff to set up the next season.

      I didn't think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would do the snap because of several things, such as:

      • Infinity War's extreme secrecy in production and the likelihood they didn't give all the information, especially the ending, to the TV groups. The fact that it would have meant the TV cast and crew knew more about the ending of Infinity War than the cast and crew of the film itself, and months ahead of release, meaning it could leak out very easily.
      • The fact that they would have to have the exact fading effect and they can't just borrow it from Marvel Studios.
      • The difficulty it would cause when Avengers 4 comes around.
      • The fact that in doing the snap, it sets up the shows to have a part in trying to resolve it - but they can't, that's for the film characters. So there's no direction to take that other than temporarily having half your cast missing. You can't have your heroes resolve it, you'd waste time with them panicking and then things would be sorted.

      And other things I listed a couple of months ago. And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ties in with the films much more than the other shows, so with them not doing it, I'm very sure Cloak & Dagger won't. I don't think we're going to see the snap effects in any TV shows, except perhaps Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6.

      The post-credits scene will most likely be something like O'Reilly becoming Mayhem.

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    • Very happy the X-Men/Fantastic Four/Deadpool are back where they should always have belonged.... The MCU!!!

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    • So it's definately Mardi Gras in Cloak & Dagger, the poster in high school and the beaded necklaces confirms it.

      It has to be 2017 right? Otherwise a Runaways crossover may be hard to deal with timeline-wise (I'm assuming it is happening)

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    • Eh, but beaded necklaces aren't exclusive to Mardi Gras. They hand them out on St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.

      If there's a crossover, it could just be a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy as well.

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    • Very exciting that X-Men are now able to be in the MCU! But I thought of something that would be an absolute nightmare for us: what if they made the Fox X-Men simply cross over through a multiverse idea? Then we would have to acknowledge every single X-Men movie and add it to the timeline, lol. And how would that work with an alternate universe? It would be terrible. But starting with a clean slate will be much better, which I'm sure is what will happen.

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      https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/1022957674848301057

      We know that Quill recieved a message from Nebula "5 hours ago" that Thanos still had Gamora and was heading for Vormir. Drax also notes they have not left Knowhere yet, meaning they spent 5 whole hours there before leaving for Titan, and meeting up with Iron Man and such.

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    • Yeah, I don't think Feige would ever want to mix a franchise with a few bad critics with the MC. Xd

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    • BEJT wrote:
      >What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

      My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras - if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season 4-7 days later and the finals 4-7 days earlier, we instead use the normal real world dates for the end of the basketball season, unchanged (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so after that (to match the dialogue) so that is the only event which does the shifting - about 8-14 days earlier. Then the state finals would be around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later.

      But we'll see what happens with the festival. It's likely that they'll name whatever celebration it is (it was weird that they didn't in Iron Fist).

      Having seen Episode 9, it appears that the festival is indeed Mardi Gras. A banner for the "Mardi Gras Ball" is seen when Tyrone is attacking a student.

      It seems that we may have to apply your plan to move the state finals earlier.

      I've found an online parade calendar for the 2017 Mardi Gras parade season. I hope this helps in some way.

      In any case, Mardi Gras hasn't seemingly started yet in Episode 9, although people are evidently seen preparing for it with decorations, beads, etc. Assuming that the parade seen in the trailer is indeed Mardi Gras, it would place Episode 10 on February 28. Since Episode 10 will likely follow on immediately from Episode 9, and Episode 9, in turn, takes place evidently the following day after Episode 8, it would place those episodes in the 2 days leading up to Mardi Gras.

      This works reasonably well, Episode 8 would be on February 26, a Sunday, which explains why Tyrone didn't go to school that day. Episode 9 would be on February 27, a Monday, in which we see Tyrone attending school.

      This would also mean that the oil rig explosion was in February 26, 2009. This works reasonably well, but is unfortunately inconsistent with the April 18 date. Oh well, it works fine in general.

      BEJT wrote:
      I guess it's not that much of an indication though, because it technically just means it could be any day of the year. It's a bit weird that the ID doesn't have a year on it though, because an expiration date that doesn't have a year is kind of pointless. Oh well.

      I'm guessing the lack of a year is an attempt to avoid having to conform to a specific year, which makes the fact that we can see the date on the phone all the more confusing.

      BEJT wrote:
      I don't think there's a certain number required, just the goal at any given time. They originally had lower goals, but every time they hit a goal, the goal increases. So for example, now they're at about 316,000 signatures and the goal is now 500,000.

      I don't know that Disney will rehire him because they might think it will look like they're weak and indecisive, to reverse a decision after the public complain. And the firing was about them just caring how they're publicly perceived in the first place - I think that's the main thing they care about rather than Gunn's career, sadly.

      But I hope he's involved in some capacity, even if it's just them using what he's already done - the script - and he just has no further involvement from this point. But a few people with more knowledge than me about this stuff seem to think there might be a chance... we'll see, who knows what's going on behind-the-scenes.

      Yeah, I'm really hoping that, at the very least, Gunn's vision for Vol. 3 will come to fruition.

      BEJT wrote:
      Yeah I did really enjoy the direct discussion about Captain America in Jessica Jones: Season 2, even mentioning him fighting aliens - it felt like the Netflix shows kind of coming out of their shell a bit and becoming brave enough to reference the films more overtly. As well as that, there was the references to the Raft, which I also enjoyed, because sometimes it's almost like these Netflix shows exist in their own timeline (not literally, just in terms of how it feels) that just branched off from The Avengers and never properly reconverged with the films. So stringing us back in with references to Civil War was nice.

      I was kinda hoping that Wakanda would get referenced in Luke Cage: Season 2, since its existence would undoubtebly have been quite noteworthy. It seemed like something that would have come up in conversation.

      BEJT wrote:
      We'll see about the festival and if it's Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest or something else, but it's good to know about the possibility of Jazz Fest if they're vague about it.

      Well, like I said, it was visible on a banner and maybe some posters. No one called it by name, so there's some wiggle room if necessary.

      BEJT wrote:
      I should mention that a phone or laptop date being the date of filming doesn't make it completely irrelevant. It is still a date on a personal device within the universe, suggesting it is the in-universe date. They shouldn't just be discarded. The thing is, when I'm weighing up evidence such as dates on phones and things, there are two things to consider:

      • In-universe possibility of error. In the MCU world, how likely is it that the date is incorrect? For example, there's a reasonable likelihood of someone's laptop being programmed with the wrong date - more likely than a newspaper printing the wrong date.
      • Out-of-universe possibility of error - makers' intention. This is more important when it comes to a fictional, contradictory timeline. The creators' choice to make a date very visible suggests it is intentional to be seen and thus used to establish the timeline. If the date is on a background and/or tiny prop, it is much more likely to have been a throwaway detail with not much thought put into it and therefore less reliable for establishing the timeline. This is why visibility does play a part in reliability - because it is directly correlated to intention.

      Now, the thing is, the 2007 date and the October date are both very strong pieces of evidence in terms of out-of-universe intention, because they are so clearly shown, suggesting the viewer is meant to see them. But not only are they mutually incompatible, they both play a part in the much wider web of nonsense that is the Cloak & Dagger timeline.

      They both have some in-universe possibility of error, considering the devices both perhaps could have the wrong settings, but the October date being the date of filming weakens the out-of-universe reliability. Because if the date wasn't the date of filming, then the makers' intention is clearly for that to be the date of the setting - it has been specifically reprogrammed to show that date. But when a date of filming shows up, the likelihood is that they just haven't bothered to think about the date, and so it weakens the piece of evidence, as the intention is lesser. That's why sometimes we bring into consideration when a date is more than likely just a filming date.

      Yeah, good point. Every piece of timeline evidence should be noted and considered. That being said, the date on the phone doesn't match up with the state finals, Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, and we know that they were still filming in October. I didn't mean to suggest that we should outright dismiss a date if it doesn't conform to whatever we had in mind previously, I was merely saying that the date outright contradicted most of the other timeline related evidence and was strongly in contradiction with them. So, all in all, the odds of it just being the date of filming is, indeed, the most likely conclusion.

      BEJT wrote:
      No, the season doesn't span a whole 13 months, it just can't. Let's just see how things play out.

      I really doubt the post-credits scene will address the snap. The shows do extra scenes at the end quite often (granted, most of the time it's not literally a post-credits scene, as in "after the credits", but to all intents and purposes they're like post-credits scenes), and they're just a little bit of intriguing/cliffhanger stuff to set up the next season.

      I didn't think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would do the snap because of several things, such as:

      • Infinity War's extreme secrecy in production and the likelihood they didn't give all the information, especially the ending, to the TV groups. The fact that it would have meant the TV cast and crew knew more about the ending of Infinity War than the cast and crew of the film itself, and months ahead of release, meaning it could leak out very easily.
      • The fact that they would have to have the exact fading effect and they can't just borrow it from Marvel Studios.
      • The difficulty it would cause when Avengers 4 comes around.
      • The fact that in doing the snap, it sets up the shows to have a part in trying to resolve it - but they can't, that's for the film characters. So there's no direction to take that other than temporarily having half your cast missing. You can't have your heroes resolve it, you'd waste time with them panicking and then things would be sorted.

      And other things I listed a couple of months ago. And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ties in with the films much more than the other shows, so with them not doing it, I'm very sure Cloak & Dagger won't. I don't think we're going to see the snap effects in any TV shows, except perhaps Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6.

      The post-credits scene will most likely be something like O'Reilly becoming Mayhem.

      Agreed. At best, I expect the snap to get mentioned in shows after Avengers 4 has come out and resolved it. It would also depend on how things get resolved. If it's time travel, then the snap never happened and there's no reason to bring it up. If it's resolved without time travel, then it would make sense for people to bring it up after it's been undone.

      MrRLopez wrote:
      So it's definately Mardi Gras in Cloak & Dagger, the poster in high school and the beaded necklaces confirms it.

      It has to be 2017 right? Otherwise a Runaways crossover may be hard to deal with timeline-wise (I'm assuming it is happening)

      Yeah, it appears to be Mardi Gras.

      As for a Runaways crossover, it hasn't really been confirmed in any way. The showrunner of Cloak and Dagger has stated that he'd like for it to happen, but admitted that the shows being on different networks makes it difficult.

      Mrmichaelt wrote:
      Eh, but beaded necklaces aren't exclusive to Mardi Gras. They hand them out on St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.

      If there's a crossover, it could just be a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy as well.

      There ,ight be some wiggle room for it not being Mardi Gras, but the evidence currently points to it indeed being Mardi Gras.

      And yeah, they could just do a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy, although having the current season be set in 2017 would at least avoid aging the characters too much for when their own Season 2 comes along, which may take place a year or so after Season 1.

      CirUmeUela wrote:
      Very exciting that X-Men are now able to be in the MCU! But I thought of something that would be an absolute nightmare for us: what if they made the Fox X-Men simply cross over through a multiverse idea? Then we would have to acknowledge every single X-Men movie and add it to the timeline, lol. And how would that work with an alternate universe? It would be terrible. But starting with a clean slate will be much better, which I'm sure is what will happen.

      I'm pretty sure that they'll just start with a completely clean slate. The MCU's main appeal is that it's one, massive shared universe, and relegating the X-Men to being interdimensional visitors would probably not have the same effect as having them actually exist in the MCU.

      The only existing X-Men properties that I could foresee being integrated into the MCU is Legion and New Mutants. The characters from the Deadpool movies could similarly be integrated into the MCU, but the actual plots of those movies wouldn't work, since they obviously occur in a world where mutants are a known and established fact of life and the X-Men are an active and well-known team. Other than that, the rest would pretty much start from scratch.

      Cornstomper wrote:
      So in a released deleted scene for Infinity War, we get a little more specific time placement.

      https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/1022957674848301057

      We know that Quill recieved a message from Nebula "5 hours ago" that Thanos still had Gamora and was heading for Vormir. Drax also notes they have not left Knowhere yet, meaning they spent 5 whole hours there before leaving for Titan, and meeting up with Iron Man and such.

      Well, it's always good to have an in-universe time estimate. It'll help with the calculations.

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      I was kinda hoping that Wakanda would get referenced in Luke Cage: Season 2, since its existence would undoubtebly have been quite noteworthy. It seemed like something that would have come up in conversation.

      Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Before they mentioned Jamaica, I thought that the Jamaicans were Africans and that it would be cool if they hinted that one of them was a Wakandan spy.

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    • Waiting for more intel on Ant-Man and the Wasp once BEJT has seen the movie on August 3rd.

      There is a mention of how much time happen between The Real Deal and Principia? Because I am finding plenty of minor gaps between the episodes I am starting to see.

      I hope it will be helpful, using a lot of your notes I may have found a way to put Infinity War on April 2018. And I think we might have to use some calculations using actors age between Civil War and Infinity War in order to find the exactly time jump between CW and IW.

      I am also finding good evidence suggesting that All the Comforts of Home might take place on December 9th, but you will have to judge it once I end all my catching up thing.

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    • I think I have spotted a very blur 2018 date on the computer next to Yo-Yo. It is very blur but it is definitely the 2018 thing. Source: Principia.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote: A banner for the "Mardi Gras Ball" is seen when Tyrone is attacking a student.

      Right when Tyrone pauses in the hall and Benny (muted) starts mouthing off?

      The Wikia Editor wrote: As for a Runaways crossover, it hasn't really been confirmed in any way. The showrunner of Cloak and Dagger has stated that he'd like for it to happen, but admitted that the shows being on different networks makes it difficult

      True, but notably they are airing the first episode of Runaways on Freeform.

      The Wikia Editor wrote: There is a mention of how much time happen between The Real Deal and Principia?

      I recall in "Principia" that Deke went to Fitz with the catcher's mitt and baseball and noted to Fitz he and Simmons "just got married". The opening scene between Dr. Van Kempen and Werner could be potentially helpful. He recalls events from "6 weeks ago on their Tuesday session" then his next scene in the episode he's in Hale's base. Perhaps that 6 weeks could apply to the gap between "Real Deal" and "Principia"? A third thing, is Simmons tells Elena she has stabilized. Is there like a standard recovery rate for someone who gets a similar kind of prosthetic surgery?
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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      Waiting for more intel on Ant-Man and the Wasp once BEJT has seen the movie on August 3rd.

      There is a mention of how much time happen between The Real Deal and Principia? Because I am finding plenty of minor gaps between the episodes I am starting to see.

      Yes, there is a gap between the episodes, but we're not entirely sure how big it is. Coulson's line about "tidings of comfort and joy" in Principia suggests that it's still in December, either before or during Christmas.

      Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      I hope it will be helpful, using a lot of your notes I may have found a way to put Infinity War on April 2018. And I think we might have to use some calculations using actors age between Civil War and Infinity War in order to find the exactly time jump between CW and IW.

      I am also finding good evidence suggesting that All the Comforts of Home might take place on December 9th, but you will have to judge it once I end all my catching up thing.

      I'm curious about the evidence from that episode, since it would contradict the date seen in The Real Deal.

      Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      I think I have spotted a very blur 2018 date on the computer next to Yo-Yo. It is very blur but it is definitely the 2018 thing. Source: Principia.

      Can you specify which scene it is? Because I went and checked all of the scenes with Yo-Yo in that episode and the computer next to her is very blurry in all of them.

      Mrmichaelt wrote:
      Right when Tyrone pauses in the hall and Benny (muted) starts mouthing off?

      Slightly later, when Tyrone is kicking Benny and a teacher rushes in to pull him away. It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment.

      Mrmichaelt wrote:
      True, but notably they are airing the first episode of Runaways on Freeform.

      Interesting, I didn't know about that. I guess it makes the possibility of a crossover much more likely.

      Mrmichaelt wrote:
      I recall in "Principia" that Deke went to Fitz with the catcher's mitt and baseball and noted to Fitz he and Simmons "just got married". The opening scene between Dr. Van Kempen and Werner could be potentially helpful. He recalls events from "6 weeks ago on their Tuesday session" then his next scene in the episode he's in Hale's base. Perhaps that 6 weeks could apply to the gap between "Real Deal" and "Principia"? A third thing, is Simmons tells Elena she has stabilized. Is there like a standard recovery rate for someone who gets a similar kind of prosthetic surgery?

      To be fair, Deke saying that they "just got married" could just as easily mean that it happened recently, anywhere in the span of days or weeks. I don't think the 6 weeks mentioned by the doctor have any kind of connection to the agents, so it doesn't really mean much.

      As for Yo-Yo's recovery period, the standard recovery time from an amputation is about 4 to 8 weeks. By the time of Principia, Yo-Yo's condition had stabilized but her stumps were still bandaged, indicating that she hadn't fully healed yet. By the time of The Devil Complex, Yo-Yo's stumps had fully healed.

      Also, Coulson's line in Principia about "tidings of comfort and joy" suggests that the episode still takes place in December, either before or during Christmas.

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    • December or Early January maybe?

      The evidence I have found in episode 11, suggest somewhere between December 2nd and December 9th 2017. I am taking the latest possible placement: December 9th. It works really well, actually.

      I am placing episode 13 in January 2nd 2018, as of now, in the very first scene where Simmons, Mackenzie and Coulson visit Yo-Yo in one of the scenes focusing on Jemma you can see this in one of the monitor (very very blurry) xx-xx-201x. But if you try to look carefully you will see that it is not a 7, but an 8. This matches with the filming of the episode.

      Dove Cameron being hired was announced on November 28, 2017. The filming of episode 11 was until the first days of December, episode 12 (The Real Deal) was filmed around December 6th (that is why we have the date), after that episode, the crew and members had their holidays vacation returning to filming on early 2018, which matches the date.

      BEJT suggested to put 2.5 mo ths between Episode 13 and 14, which actually makes sense (it is not the first time that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. have made a big time jump, from Maveth to Bouncing Back we had 2 months in between when it appeared to be just days, the same from episode 18 to 19 on Season 3, from April to mid/late June 2016).

      Putting some possible time, I have found a way to put Infinity War around April 4-5, 2018. I will see how the time should span after Deke's injury in episode 17, right? I am using the 9 days gap as of now, but it could possibly become 14-21 days.

      Plus, Deke gets a cut on episode 12, not a deep cut but still, that kind of cut takes 5 days to disappear while Mack's bruises must have completely disappear after 14 days. This would put Episode 13 definitely several weeks after Episode 12. Mack's bruises are completely gone.

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    • How does Antman & The Wasp fit into all of this? The movie says he gets his ankle thing off on his two year, which he claims is in three days. So, if Civil War starts on May 3rd, 2016, and the battle that gets them all caught is mid June? Then I would assume his two years would be up some time in August following court and everything. Yet, the end credit shows a post-movie scene where Thanos has just snapped his fingers. That means the post credit scene has to be early April. I'm not sure what dates I have mixed up here, but if I don't, Antman's timeline is rather messed up. Can anyone clear this up?


      Also, looking ahead, any guess where Daredevil season three will take place? It's either directly post-defenders or I think more likely a time jump has occurred and it'll be concurrent with Runaways.


      Finally, to add to the C&D discussion from earlier. After reading everything y'all talked about. If you take away that October date, it seems C&D best fits in some sort of mid-late February to late April. This would encompass basketball finals, the anniversary being the 18th, and Jazz fest 2018. This is what most imagery in the show seems to tell me anyways. It just makes it hard to reconcile with the 8 years thing.

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    • 1. We are assuming that Scott got a reduced sentence. Which CAN happen. And I am very sure that the following films will confirm a NON June date for Infinity War and Ant-Man and The Wasp. Lang got captured in late June.

      2. I totally agree with you on Daredevil Season 3 placement.

      3. I am not watching Cloak and Dagger. I will do it in the next months in order to write all the episodes when the dates are finally decided.

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    • Who else caught Stan Lee's Cameo in this weeks Cloak and Dagger :)

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    • 1. I just did a bit of research. Presuming the show takes place in 2018, and follows similar real life dates. The basketball state championship would have been played on March 10, 2018 (Episode 5). Then the anniversary of the deaths would be April 18, 2018 (Episode 8). Finally, if we assume the banner in the show is for Jazz Fest, not Mardi gras, then the end of the season will most likely appear very end of April, early May at earliest. Jazz fest was April 26, May 5th this year (Or at least within a few days of that). I'd have to go back and watch the time lapses to try and figure out where the season starts. Regardless though, C&D 1.01 most certainly takes place after AoS 5.13, which if I read right is like 1/2/2018.

      Also, are we sure if C&D is 2018 or 2017? I'm thinking about it and if C&D is 2018, I really enjoy how no one seems to notice or talk about the mass disappearance of people by episode 8.

      2. Does anyone have any idea when episodes 14-22 of Agents of Shield take place?

      3. Well then if we are assuming he got a reduced sentence, I'm going to think a start date of 4/1 makes sense. Three days would make it the 4th and then the post credit scene is the 5th.

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    • Bussterj wrote: Who else caught Stan Lee's Cameo in this weeks Cloak and Dagger :)

      It was a pretty good one haha

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    • Nope. Ant-Man and the Wasp ends weeks before Infinity War begins. I know that they tie in, but between the post credit scene and the final battle we can see clearly that several days have happened. The Beach. The Cinema. And stuff. Hanging out with Cassie. Etc. Etc. Etc.

      Cloakd and Dagger is being placed on February-March 2017 not 2018.

      I will suggest to put like 2 weeks between Final Battle and Infinity War opening.

      About Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. elisode 14-22: I am working on them but around late March 2018. BEJT has a cousin that is a lawyer, who informed us that is very possible for someone to get a reduced sentence but still being called 2 years (calendar).

      Lang got captured on late June 2018, his reduced sentence ends in mid/late March 2018, about 21 months of house arrest. Which makes sense.

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    • 1. Good to know. With that in mind, I think I'm placing Ant-man and the Wasp about 3/20-3/23.

      2. Alright on C&D. Makes sense. I know someone posted the date for the state champ that year. I'm not sure if it's in this thread. Does anyone have that? So, I can place the Princeton Offense correctly.

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    • Remember that the film begins on Sunday. BEJT will come with more details, once he has seen the movie and put all the details he has I will post all my job I have been doing regarding Season Five Second Half and Infinity War.

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    • Agents of S.H.I.e.L.D. Season Two intel on the timeline, 26 years before May 2015:

      In episode 2.21: S.O.S. Part One, Jiaying, having contractions twenty-six years ago, tells Calvin Zabo that it is time for Daisy to be born. She makes him promise that if anything happens to her, he will always protect their daughter.

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      Deadpooled123 wrote: Very happy the X-Men/Fantastic Four/Deadpool are back where they should always have belonged.... The MCU!!!

      I'm actually not that excited. I think I'd be more excited if it were as simple as the Fox characters going back to Marvel - it's just caught up in a worrying business move which involves a tonne of job-losses and a scary monopoly.

      Still, when we get more information, I'm sure it will be exciting. I think I'm also a bit annoyed because people are going to be impatient about it and expect Fox characters to start popping up immediately. Also, honestly I really don't want Deadpool in the MCU. I think his character would ruin the integrity and tone of the MCU. I'd prefer to just see Ryan Reynolds continue to make Deadpool sequels in their own universe.


      MrRLopez wrote: So it's definately Mardi Gras in Cloak & Dagger, the poster in high school and the beaded necklaces confirms it.

      It has to be 2017 right? Otherwise a Runaways crossover may be hard to deal with timeline-wise (I'm assuming it is happening)

      Nice, I didn't catch it on my first viewing. At about 12:18 in the episode. I hadn't done my rewatch yet, where I pay closer attention.

      Sure, Mardi Gras isn't ideal for the state finals, but it helps to once and for all discard that October date.

      Yeah, this adds to 2017 because 2017 was the only year that Mardi Gras works as being after the end of the basketball season. The evidence is mounting for February 2017.

      I wouldn't put much timeline consideration into a potential Runaways crossover. We don't know that it will even happen, and it's very possible that there's just a larger jump in time for the Cloak & Dagger characters. The shows' first seasons are only 10 months apart, Infinity War had the Guardians jump almost 4 years just to catch up for crossover.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: Eh, but beaded necklaces aren't exclusive to Mardi Gras. They hand them out on St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.

      If there's a crossover, it could just be a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy as well.

      I don't know about beaded necklaces, I don't really know anything about Mardi Gras (I don't think it's particularly celebrated in the U.K. other than "Shrove Tuesday", the day before Ash Wednesday, where we have pancakes), but the banner in the episode mentions Mardi Gras.

      But yeah, exactly, any Runaways stuff is fine.


      CirUmeUela wrote: Very exciting that X-Men are now able to be in the MCU! But I thought of something that would be an absolute nightmare for us: what if they made the Fox X-Men simply cross over through a multiverse idea? Then we would have to acknowledge every single X-Men movie and add it to the timeline, lol. And how would that work with an alternate universe? It would be terrible. But starting with a clean slate will be much better, which I'm sure is what will happen.

      I'm 99% sure they won't connect the universes at all and just start over, and if they did connect them, I'm a further 99% sure that it would be alternate universe and not a retcon into the MCU continuity.

      In the very slim chance that that would be the case, I have my own ideas and calculations about how to reconcile that franchise's ridiculous timeline. But it almost definitely won't come to that.


      Cornstomper wrote: So in a released deleted scene for Infinity War, we get a little more specific time placement.

      https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/1022957674848301057

      We know that Quill recieved a message from Nebula "5 hours ago" that Thanos still had Gamora and was heading for Vormir. Drax also notes they have not left Knowhere yet, meaning they spent 5 whole hours there before leaving for Titan, and meeting up with Iron Man and such.

      Thanks, that's one of the things I'm currently working on - the final exact timings of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah, I don't think Feige would ever want to mix a franchise with a few bad critics with the MC. Xd

      Yeah, but also just that I think Feige and Marvel Studios want everything MCU to be self-made - everything was made by Marvel Studios or Marvel Television.

      It's part of the reasons I don't want Venom to have anything to do with the MCU (I've got several, not going to go into that now). I don't want Sony to tarnish the MCU - even if the film is good (I personally don't think it looks good), it's not Marvel's. Keep it out.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Having seen Episode 9, it appears that the festival is indeed Mardi Gras. A banner for the "Mardi Gras Ball" is seen when Tyrone is attacking a student.

      It seems that we may have to apply your plan to move the state finals earlier.

      I've found an online parade calendar for the 2017 Mardi Gras parade season. I hope this helps in some way.

      In any case, Mardi Gras hasn't seemingly started yet in Episode 9, although people are evidently seen preparing for it with decorations, beads, etc. Assuming that the parade seen in the trailer is indeed Mardi Gras, it would place Episode 10 on February 28. Since Episode 10 will likely follow on immediately from Episode 9, and Episode 9, in turn, takes place evidently the following day after Episode 8, it would place those episodes in the 2 days leading up to Mardi Gras.

      This works reasonably well, Episode 8 would be on February 26, a Sunday, which explains why Tyrone didn't go to school that day. Episode 9 would be on February 27, a Monday, in which we see Tyrone attending school.

      This would also mean that the oil rig explosion was in February 26, 2009. This works reasonably well, but is unfortunately inconsistent with the April 18 date. Oh well, it works fine in general.

      Yeah, the plan works reasonably well. While it's not perfect, I'll take it because it basically means that we can finally actually make conclusive decisions, all being well. At this point, I'd rather take a not-quite-ideal conclusive decision than more vagueness from the show. It's just easier.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm guessing the lack of a year is an attempt to avoid having to conform to a specific year, which makes the fact that we can see the date on the phone all the more confusing.

      Yeah I think they intentionally didn't put a date, but that would suggest some sort of "avoid specific dates where possible" policy, which outside of that ID, this show has very much failed to do.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, like I said, it was visible on a banner and maybe some posters. No one called it by name, so there's some wiggle room if necessary.

      The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, good point. Every piece of timeline evidence should be noted and considered. That being said, the date on the phone doesn't match up with the state finals, Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, and we know that they were still filming in October. I didn't mean to suggest that we should outright dismiss a date if it doesn't conform to whatever we had in mind previously, I was merely saying that the date outright contradicted most of the other timeline related evidence and was strongly in contradiction with them. So, all in all, the odds of it just being the date of filming is, indeed, the most likely conclusion.

      I'm sure it'll be more explicitly Mardi Gras in Episode 10, and I'm fine with that. Like I said, not quite perfect but I'll definitely take it at this point. We shouldn't really need the wiggle room.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Agreed. At best, I expect the snap to get mentioned in shows after Avengers 4 has come out and resolved it. It would also depend on how things get resolved. If it's time travel, then the snap never happened and there's no reason to bring it up. If it's resolved without time travel, then it would make sense for people to bring it up after it's been undone.

      Yeah perhaps we'll get some tie-in after Avengers 4, depending on the resolution to that film, but I don't think before that.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, it appears to be Mardi Gras.

      As for a Runaways crossover, it hasn't really been confirmed in any way. The showrunner of Cloak and Dagger has stated that he'd like for it to happen, but admitted that the shows being on different networks makes it difficult.

      The Wikia Editor wrote: There ,ight be some wiggle room for it not being Mardi Gras, but the evidence currently points to it indeed being Mardi Gras.

      And yeah, they could just do a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy, although having the current season be set in 2017 would at least avoid aging the characters too much for when their own Season 2 comes along, which may take place a year or so after Season 1.

      Now that Runaways is airing on Freeform as well (and I think Cloak & Dagger also goes to Hulu some time after airing?), it looks like there might be some sort of chance in the future. Perhaps in Cloak & Dagger: Season 2 next year, so after Runaways: Season 2.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm pretty sure that they'll just start with a completely clean slate. The MCU's main appeal is that it's one, massive shared universe, and relegating the X-Men to being interdimensional visitors would probably not have the same effect as having them actually exist in the MCU.

      The only existing X-Men properties that I could foresee being integrated into the MCU is Legion and New Mutants. The characters from the Deadpool movies could similarly be integrated into the MCU, but the actual plots of those movies wouldn't work, since they obviously occur in a world where mutants are a known and established fact of life and the X-Men are an active and well-known team. Other than that, the rest would pretty much start from scratch.

      Agreed, and honestly I just think everything will be starting from scratch. Pretty sure nothing's going to be retconned into continuity.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Waiting for more intel on Ant-Man and the Wasp once BEJT has seen the movie on August 3rd.

      There is a mention of how much time happen between The Real Deal and Principia? Because I am finding plenty of minor gaps between the episodes I am starting to see.

      I hope it will be helpful, using a lot of your notes I may have found a way to put Infinity War on April 2018. And I think we might have to use some calculations using actors age between Civil War and Infinity War in order to find the exactly time jump between CW and IW.

      I am also finding good evidence suggesting that All the Comforts of Home might take place on December 9th, but you will have to judge it once I end all my catching up thing.

      I think the film's coming out Thursday 2nd August now. So nearly there. All I've had spoiled is that the Infinity War tie-in comes in at least the mid-credits scene, one or both credits scenes involve something to do with Thanos' snap, and the mid-credits scene involves a happy time at a drive-in cinema. I might have also had something big spoiled but as I came across it I left the site as fast as possible, so didn't get the full context (not wanting to risk finding out anything more). But I'm still reasonably free of exact spoilers.

      There's no actual mention of the gap between The Real Deal and Principia, but The Real Deal is December 6, 2017, and Principia is likely set around Christmas time based on the "tidings of comfort and joy" line, so shouldn't be more than a few weeks. As well as this, Deke says Fitz and Simmons only just got married, and the behaviour of the characters would suggest it's onyl been a few days.

      There shouldn't be "plenty" of gaps found during the second half of Season 5. We've got Episode 11 on December 4th-5th, Episode 12 on December 6th, and then there's only gaps:

      • Between 12 and 13.
      • Between 13 and 14
      • Between 18 and 19.

      Everything else is firmly established.

      You think Infinity War has to be April? Because March is already really pushing it with a 3-month gap between Episodes 13 and 14 (laid out as being only days apart). You were previously saying a week or so between the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp and the credits scene seemed right, and that would give late March most likely. That reminds me, I need to check with my relative about the exact dates of Ant-Man and the Wasp but it seems like the house arrest should be ending mid-to-late March.

      Actor age is for more broad placements, not merely the exact number of days between two films with lots of evidence around them. It's far too specific for something as broad as the actors' ages.

      All the Comforts of Home shouldn't be December 9th because it's before The Real Deal, which is on December 6th. I said before, there's no need to lose the "12-06-2017" for the sake of gaining just a few days. Why are you thinking December 9th?


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: I think I have spotted a very blur 2018 date on the computer next to Yo-Yo. It is very blur but it is definitely the 2018 thing. Source: Principia.

      What's the time code in the episode? If it is 2018, that could work as very early January, like the 1st or 2nd. Still technically Christmas-time.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: Right when Tyrone pauses in the hall and Benny (muted) starts mouthing off?

      In the fight just after, at about 12:18.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: True, but notably they are airing the first episode of Runaways on Freeform.

      Yeah exactly, could give a bit more hope for a crossover.

      Mrmichaelt wrote: I recall in "Principia" that Deke went to Fitz with the catcher's mitt and baseball and noted to Fitz he and Simmons "just got married". The opening scene between Dr. Van Kempen and Werner could be potentially helpful. He recalls events from "6 weeks ago on their Tuesday session" then his next scene in the episode he's in Hale's base. Perhaps that 6 weeks could apply to the gap between "Real Deal" and "Principia"? A third thing, is Simmons tells Elena she has stabilized. Is there like a standard recovery rate for someone who gets a similar kind of prosthetic surgery?

      Yeah exactly right with Deke.

      The 6 weeks ago thing is unrelated to anything. Strucker's just referring to an appointment he had 6 weeks ago.

      The 2-4 weeks between The Real Deal and Principia should be plenty for Elena to stabilise. Seeing as it takes about 4-8 weeks for the skin on amputees' stumps to heal over following surgery (the stumps have healed over by the next episode, The Devil Complex, which meant there had to be 4 weeks minimum between All the Comforts of Home and The Devil Complex), stabilising should be a good amount less.


      Will post the second part of my replies soon.

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      I am just doing the best thing I can to give a timeline that I can, if you don't agree with it, I am fine with it, because you are the one that knows how to work with this. I am just proposing changes so you can check them and see how to work with them. Wether if you want it or not.

      P.S.: Those spoilers you get about Ant-Man and the Wasp are mostly wrong.

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      The Wikia Editor wrote: Yes, there is a gap between the episodes, but we're not entirely sure how big it is. Coulson's line about "tidings of comfort and joy" in Principia suggests that it's still in December, either before or during Christmas.

      Yup. The line doesn't have to mean it's Christmas (like, if the evidence placed the episode in June I wouldn't go "But it has to be December!"), but since the evidence places it around Christmas-time anyway, I'd say that yeah, it should be Christmas. But if this 2018 thing is there, then the first few days of January will do.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm curious about the evidence from that episode, since it would contradict the date seen in The Real Deal.

      Yeah I'm curious Marvelous, why do you think it's December 9th?


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Can you specify which scene it is? Because I went and checked all of the scenes with Yo-Yo in that episode and the computer next to her is very blurry in all of them.

      Oh right, I was about to check but thanks. Yeah, a time code would help Marvelous.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: To be fair, Deke saying that they "just got married" could just as easily mean that it happened recently, anywhere in the span of days or weeks. I don't think the 6 weeks mentioned by the doctor have any kind of connection to the agents, so it doesn't really mean much.

      As for Yo-Yo's recovery period, the standard recovery time from an amputation is about 4 to 8 weeks. By the time of Principia, Yo-Yo's condition had stabilized but her stumps were still bandaged, indicating that she hadn't fully healed yet. By the time of The Devil Complex, Yo-Yo's stumps had fully healed.

      Also, Coulson's line in Principia about "tidings of comfort and joy" suggests that the episode still takes place in December, either before or during Christmas.

      Agree with all of this. Yeah, she's not fully healed in Principia, just improving.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: December or Early January maybe?

      The evidence I have found in episode 11, suggest somewhere between December 2nd and December 9th 2017. I am taking the latest possible placement: December 9th. It works really well, actually.

      I am placing episode 13 in January 2nd 2018, as of now, in the very first scene where Simmons, Mackenzie and Coulson visit Yo-Yo in one of the scenes focusing on Jemma you can see this in one of the monitor (very very blurry) xx-xx-201x. But if you try to look carefully you will see that it is not a 7, but an 8. This matches with the filming of the episode.

      Dove Cameron being hired was announced on November 28, 2017. The filming of episode 11 was until the first days of December, episode 12 (The Real Deal) was filmed around December 6th (that is why we have the date), after that episode, the crew and members had their holidays vacation returning to filming on early 2018, which matches the date.

      BEJT suggested to put 2.5 mo ths between Episode 13 and 14, which actually makes sense (it is not the first time that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. have made a big time jump, from Maveth to Bouncing Back we had 2 months in between when it appeared to be just days, the same from episode 18 to 19 on Season 3, from April to mid/late June 2016).

      Putting some possible time, I have found a way to put Infinity War around April 4-5, 2018. I will see how the time should span after Deke's injury in episode 17, right? I am using the 9 days gap as of now, but it could possibly become 14-21 days.

      Plus, Deke gets a cut on episode 12, not a deep cut but still, that kind of cut takes 5 days to disappear while Mack's bruises must have completely disappear after 14 days. This would put Episode 13 definitely several weeks after Episode 12. Mack's bruises are completely gone.

      I still don't really get why we would take December 9th for All the Comforts of Home when we can use December 4th-5th, the 2 days prior to The Real Deal, which has clearer evidence placing it on December 6th. Whatever this evidence is for December 9th, I don't imagine it's clearer than the "12-06-2017". But what is the evidence?

      I'll have a look for that 2018 monitor date in Principia a bit later. A time code might help me find exactly what you're referring to.

      Maveth to Bouncing Back wasn't a massive stretch because it seems like a few weeks and had to become 2 months. The bigger jump problem was between Season 3, Episodes 18 and 19, where it had to jump 2 months to line up with Civil War and with the "Three months from now" shown in Bouncing Back.

      I think 9 days is about right for the gap between Season 5, Episodes 18 and 19. I've still been thinking about it, and if you kind of take the conflicting evidence about it either being immediately after or weeks after Episode 18 and inch them closer and closer together until they meet, a think a 9-day gap is about right. For example, it really doesn't feel like it can be more than maximum 4 days, but Deke's arm would suggest it really can't be less than minimum 15 days of healing - a 14-day gap. 9 days is about right for a compromise - 10 days of healing for Deke. It just can't be longer, and it just can't be shorter.


      Kbeaud wrote: How does Antman & The Wasp fit into all of this? The movie says he gets his ankle thing off on his two year, which he claims is in three days. So, if Civil War starts on May 3rd, 2016, and the battle that gets them all caught is mid June? Then I would assume his two years would be up some time in August following court and everything. Yet, the end credit shows a post-movie scene where Thanos has just snapped his fingers. That means the post credit scene has to be early April. I'm not sure what dates I have mixed up here, but if I don't, Antman's timeline is rather messed up. Can anyone clear this up?


      Also, looking ahead, any guess where Daredevil season three will take place? It's either directly post-defenders or I think more likely a time jump has occurred and it'll be concurrent with Runaways.


      Finally, to add to the C&D discussion from earlier. After reading everything y'all talked about. If you take away that October date, it seems C&D best fits in some sort of mid-late February to late April. This would encompass basketball finals, the anniversary being the 18th, and Jazz fest 2018. This is what most imagery in the show seems to tell me anyways. It just makes it hard to reconcile with the 8 years thing.

      No spoilers for Ant-Man and the Wasp, it's still not out here in the U.K.. Don't worry too much about mentioning the Infinity War tie-in in the credits scene, I kind of knew that, I just didn't know for sure that it was to do with Thanos' snap - but I'd pretty much guessed. I'm not particularly annoyed about your message or anything, besides, you're new to the thread so you weren't to know I'd asked for no spoilers. I'm just mentioning this because I'd like some spoiler caution in any further discussion for the next 2 days until I finally get to see the film.

      The full 2 years would just be June, not August, because house arrest doesn't depend on court stuff first. It either counts from the beginning of his initial Raft arrest or from the day he took the deal and returned home. The rules differ depending on the state, I've been doing some research about it.

      We've been discussing this problem a lot though, towards the end of Part 9 mainly. And while the film by all accounts would very much suggest that it's been a full 24 months since Civil War, because that's very problematic with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., we are, at least at the moment, making the assumption that Scott got a slight reduction of 3 months from his sentence for good behaviour. So he did 21 months, not quite a full 2 years but almost. This is quite possibly not the permanent solution, as we've still got evidence to come with Avengers 4 and Spider-Man: Far from Home and possibly other things such as Captain Marvel or Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6. But spring is at least an improvement on the previous January placement, and it will do for now while we continue to consider the conflicting evidence and prepare better for weighing it all up conclusively. Because of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., it's very difficult to move Infinity War all the way to June, so essentially, the evidence in Ant-Man and the Wasp is not quite concrete enough to force a June placement, and in the meantime, while we still have some flexibility, we're making compromises.

      With Daredevil: Season 3, I reckon Winter 2017-18 is a safe bet - roughly the time in which they filmed it. So yeah, quite possibly around the time of Runaways: Season 1. It won't be immediately after The Defenders: Season 1 unless they perhaps open straight after and give us a montage covering more than a year. As I mentioned before:

      BEJT wrote: Iron Fist: Season 2 almost definitely has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because as I mentioned before, Marvel never go back on a character's storyline. Even when the films are out of order, they rely on "When you see a character, you can guarantee that it's chronologically after the last time you saw that character" to ensure people don't get too confused. So, with Misty, Colleen, and Danny (and probably Turk and possibly a few others) carrying over, that would place it after. But especially with Misty, she'll probably have her bionic arm, which would confirm it's after Luke Cage: Season 2.

      Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because Claire talks about Matt's sacrifice and it's all-but said that everyone thinks he's still dead - as well as the fact that Rosalie Carbone, Benjamin Donovan, and Foggy Nelson will all appear again (as well as probably Turk), again placing it after Luke Cage: Season 2 going by the never-backtrack-on-a-character rule. And Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Iron Fist: Season 2 because his arc is about protecting the city in Matt's absence, and this also automatically puts it after Luke Cage: Season 2.

      So basically, at least until Daredevil: Season 3, I'm fairly sure these are set in order - Luke Cage: Season 2, Iron Fist: Season 2, Daredevil: Season 3. I would expect Iron Fist: Season 2 to be set in late 2017 and Daredevil: Season 3 in late 2017 or early 2018.

      It's unlikely Cloak & Dagger is in 2018. There's very little placing it then. The mounting evidence is placing it more likely in 2017. The mention of Jazz Fest was also just some of the users trying to work out a possibility for what the festival could be that was shown in the Episode 9-10 SDCC trailer. The thought was that while it looked like Mardi Gras, it couldn't be Mardi Gras because the show had already got to March. However, looking at the basketball, it should be fine to still be February and thus Mardi Gras should work out fine. And it looks like it will explicitly be Mardi Gras, because there's the banner that mentions Mardi Gras in Episode 9.

      BEJT wrote: What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

      My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras - if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season 4-7 days later and the finals 4-7 days earlier, we instead use the normal real world dates for the end of the basketball season, unchanged (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so after that (to match the dialogue) so that is the only event which does the shifting - about 8-14 days earlier. Then the state finals would be around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later.

      As for the "8 years" - whatever happens, the 8 years is hard. But Episode 8 sort of made it simpler, because it made it clear that wherever we make the placements, they will be exactly 8 years and 0 days apart, because Episode 8 is the 8th anniversary. Previously I was going to have to weigh up the evidence for the flashbacks, the evidence for the present day, and the approximate 8 years between them. But now it's a case of just working out the total evidence for:

      • 2007 + 2015
      • 2008 + 2016
      • 2009 + 2017
      • 2010 + 2018

      And the total evidence for 2009 + the total evidence for 2017 seems to come out as the strongest.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: 1. We are assuming that Scott got a reduced sentence. Which CAN happen. And I am very sure that the following films will confirm a NON June date for Infinity War and Ant-Man and The Wasp. Lang got captured in late June.

      2. I totally agree with you on Daredevil Season 3 placement.

      3. I am not watching Cloak and Dagger. I will do it in the next months in order to write all the episodes when the dates are finally decided.

      Yeah. Also, you mention writing up events - just letting you know that August will definitely be the month of my write-ups once all this catch-up work is over. Like I said before, I've made a list of all the necessary write-ups in airing order-ish (kind of - not exactly, because I've listed the Netflix ones as if they aired week-to-week starting on their actual release date, allowing me to mix up the work a bit instead of just focusing on a whole Netflix season in one chunk without getting anything else done; as well as this, some of them are broken up into parts and it's a bit more complicated with past events as well etc. but basically, it's kind of in airing order and where it isn't it's for a good reason) and I'll be working my way through. When I get to each bit on the list, if it's already written I'll just check it and it'll be done, and if it's not, then I'm happy to write it myself. Cloak & Dagger will be lower in the list though, seeing as it's very recent.


      Bussterj wrote: Who else caught Stan Lee's Cameo in this weeks Cloak and Dagger :)

      That was nice. When the painting showed, I thought they'd cut away sooner though, but it lingered for quite a while, I wonder if they thought people wouldn't realise otherwise.


      Kbeaud wrote: 1. I just did a bit of research. Presuming the show takes place in 2018, and follows similar real life dates. The basketball state championship would have been played on March 10, 2018 (Episode 5). Then the anniversary of the deaths would be April 18, 2018 (Episode 8). Finally, if we assume the banner in the show is for Jazz Fest, not Mardi gras, then the end of the season will most likely appear very end of April, early May at earliest. Jazz fest was April 26, May 5th this year (Or at least within a few days of that). I'd have to go back and watch the time lapses to try and figure out where the season starts. Regardless though, C&D 1.01 most certainly takes place after AoS 5.13, which if I read right is like 1/2/2018.

      Also, are we sure if C&D is 2018 or 2017? I'm thinking about it and if C&D is 2018, I really enjoy how no one seems to notice or talk about the mass disappearance of people by episode 8.

      2. Does anyone have any idea when episodes 14-22 of Agents of Shield take place?

      3. Well then if we are assuming he got a reduced sentence, I'm going to think a start date of 4/1 makes sense. Three days would make it the 4th and then the post credit scene is the 5th.

      1. Well, like I said, the show most likely doesn't take place in 2018. Also, the banner specifically said "Mardi Gras" and I'm sure Episode 10 will specifically say it's Mardi Gras, but that's fine, as explained. So it looks like the whole season pretty much (except maybe the end of Episode 10) will be February.

      The anniversary doesn't need to be April 18th. That just came up because occasionally in the past when a prop has a very incorrect date, it can work out so that the date is right and it's just the year that was wrong. So it might have been nice, if the later parts of the season had been taking place in April, to be able to place the accident on April 18, 2009, at least matching the April 18th part of the 2007 security camera shown in Episode 1. But the show seems to just be taking place in February, so the accident was in February, and that's fine. There's no real in-universe reason why April 18th would be more likely anyway, if the date was incorrectly programmed on the security footage with a 2007 date rather than the correct 2009 date, there's no reason why the month and day would be right and the year would just happen to be wrong.

      Like I've been saying, Cloak & Dagger is more likely 2017 than 2018. Once the season is over, I'll repost the list of all the evidence, updated for the rest of the season's evidence. That should hopefully make it clearer for why 2017 is a much better choice. But even if it were 2018, as I've also been saying, it seems to be all in February so the show would still be set before Infinity War - no need to worry about vanishing people.

      2. Here:

      BEJT wrote: With a roughly 9-day gap between Episodes 18 and 19 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (though that's not properly decided yet), we'd be looking at something along these lines (or translated to a week later):

      c. Thursday, March 15th - Episode 14. 2.5 months since Episode 13. Snow on the ground, not impossible. Beginning of Episode 15. c. Saturday, March 17th - End of Episode 15. c. Saturday, March 17th/Sunday, March 18th - Beginning of Ant-Man and the Wasp. c. Sunday, March 18th - Episode 16. Episode 17. Beginning of Episode 18. c. Monday, March 19th - End of Episode 18. c. Wednesday, March 21st/Thursday, March 22nd - End of Ant-Man and the Wasp. c. Wednesday, March 28th-Thursday, March 29th - Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War. 9 days since Episode 18. About a week or 8 days or so since the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp. Wednesday-Thursday, as shown by Tony's flip phone.

      3. Ant-Man and the Wasp is March, starting around the 17th/18th to line up with the sentence finishing 21 months after Civil War. It's Infinity War that Marvelous is saying might be April, because apparently there's a gap of a week or two between the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp and the events of Infinity War.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Nope. Ant-Man and the Wasp ends weeks before Infinity War begins. I know that they tie in, but between the post credit scene and the final battle we can see clearly that several days have happened. The Beach. The Cinema. And stuff. Hanging out with Cassie. Etc. Etc. Etc.

      Cloakd and Dagger is being placed on February-March 2017 not 2018.

      I will suggest to put like 2 weeks between Final Battle and Infinity War opening.

      About Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. elisode 14-22: I am working on them but around late March 2018. BEJT has a cousin that is a lawyer, who informed us that is very possible for someone to get a reduced sentence but still being called 2 years (calendar).

      Lang got captured on late June 2018, his reduced sentence ends in mid/late March 2018, about 21 months of house arrest. Which makes sense.

      Yeah as Marvelous said, Cloak & Dagger is much more likely 2017 than 2018.

      Marvelous, have you reverted to thinking it's more like 2 weeks between Ant-Man and the Wasp and Infinity War? Because 1 week would be a bit easier, considering we're already stretching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. a lot.

      Minor thing, it's not a cousin, I just said relative. I don't really know why but I didn't want to say what type of relative exactly. No reason not to I guess, I think I'm still just too scared about giving out information about myself online.


      Kbeaud wrote: 1. Good to know. With that in mind, I think I'm placing Ant-man and the Wasp about 3/20-3/23.

      2. Alright on C&D. Makes sense. I know someone posted the date for the state champ that year. I'm not sure if it's in this thread. Does anyone have that? So, I can place the Princeton Offense correctly.

      1. More like 18th-21st as mentioned because apparently the film starts on roughly a Sunday.

      2. Yeah we have, but the state championship date isn't what's important here. As I've mentioned above, we have to use the February 18, 2017 date for the end of the basketball season to place Episode 1, and then the state finals are referred to as "next week" after that, so are not in early March, which is when they were in the real world. They're a bit earlier, lining up with the "next week" line and with Mardi Gras being a little while after.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Remember that the film begins on Sunday. BEJT will come with more details, once he has seen the movie and put all the details he has I will post all my job I have been doing regarding Season Five Second Half and Infinity War.

      2 more days. It's been so frustrating, sorry, nothing I could do about it.

      What job have you been doing with Season 5? I didn't really know there was much to do, but I'm glad you've been watching it.


      Nice, good idea.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Agents of S.H.I.e.L.D. Season Two intel on the timeline, 26 years before May 2015:

      In episode 2.21: S.O.S. Part One, Jiaying, having contractions twenty-six years ago, tells Calvin Zabo that it is time for Daisy to be born. She makes him promise that if anything happens to her, he will always protect their daughter.

      Are you referring to a flashback or a mention or something I haven't seen that episode in 3 years. What's the significance of this, why is it being brought up?


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: In a deleted scene, Thanos refers to Gamora leaving him "all those years ago"

      I am just doing the best thing I can to give a timeline that I can, if you don't agree with it, I am fine with it, because you are the one that knows how to work with this. I am just proposing changes so you can check them and see how to work with them. Wether if you want it or not.

      P.S.: Those spoilers you get about Ant-Man and the Wasp are mostly wrong.

      No, no, man, you're really helpful. I just don't understand why you're suggesting December 9th, you haven't said what the reason is.

      I don't know what you mean about the spoilers. I'm not going to ask "what spoilers?" because I don't want to know the spoilers, but I don't know what it is that I've said that you're responding to, or what you mean by "wrong".



      As always, finishing off with a few things of my own to say:

      One more official Marvel thing saying Scott was imprisoned for 3 years, not that it was ever in question, just worth collecting all evidence we get.

      And Iron Fist: Season 2's early release finally makes sense. It's apparently going to be 10 episodes and not 13, so now it's clearer why there was a faster turnaround on the show than there has been with the last few, and why, despite filming a tiny bit later than Daredevil: Season 3, it's coming earlier.

      Because of my OCD I'm not massively happy that it's 10 instead of 13, but it could be beneficial for the quality of the show and I know 10 will feel like a bit less of a chore to power through. It's interesting that they're trying out not always doing 13 - I thought they would just stick with 13 for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Daredevil will still be 13 and I think the The Punisher showrunner recently talked about the 13-episode structure, suggesting The Punisher will also still be 13 - but yeah, I'm interested.



      Just so you all know, I posted my finalised full Jessica Jones: Season 2 notes and calculations and have put the draft notes onto the draft page, along with the pre-existing events from April-May 2017 so I can work out the timings and order of, for example, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Jessica Jones events happening on the same day. I've started doing that.

      And I'm also currently working on:

      • Cleaning up all my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes and finalising all the dates.
      • Film write-ups:
        • Finishing writing up Black Panther.
        • Finishing writing up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War for the 2018 page, with all the events and timings in sorted order, as well as cleaning up the messy content of the 2018 page and clearing up exactly what happened in which timeline.
      • TV write-ups:
        • Checking the The Defenders: Season 1 write-ups.
        • Writing up The Punisher: Season 1.
        • Checking the Runaways: Season 1 write-ups.
        • Checking the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5 write-ups/writing up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5.
        • Writing up Jessica Jones: Season 2.
        • Checking the Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 write-ups/writing up Cloak & Dagger: Season 1.
        • Checking the Luke Cage: Season 2 write-ups/writing up Luke Cage: Season 2.
      • My blogs:
        • Rewriting my Luke Cage Past Dates blog.
        • Updating my Predicting Marvel Netflix Release Dates blog.
        • Updating my Asgardian Ageing blog.
        • Cleaning up/updating/partially rewriting my Phase One blog.
        • Finishing my List of Canon Content blog so I can do...
        • ... a Watch/Read Order blog which will help me resume...
        • ... my major project.
        • Updating my "8 Years Later" blog.
        • Finishing my Social Media Posts Compiled blog and then putting Danny's Instagram posts onto the timeline along with the other stuff.
        • A blog about all the changes that should be made to the "Timeline" page.
        • Cleaning up my Black Panther Past Dates blog.
        • A blog detailing the established non-fanon dates against the fanon dates.
        • Cleaning up any other outstanding blogs.
      • Full sweeps and clean-ups of the timeline pages:
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "Before 20th Century".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1900s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1910s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1920s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1930s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1940s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1950s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1960s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1970s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1980s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "1990s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2000s".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2010".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2011".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2012".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2013".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2014".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2015".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2016".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2017".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of "2018".
        • Full sweep and clean-up of whatever the future timeline page gets called.
      • Cleaning up any outstanding draft pages.

      So... yeah... even if it doesn't always look like it, I'm busy. And I'm also still somewhat busy outside of the wiki. So bits of work may only post in bursts, but it's all ticking along.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote: I am placing episode 13 in January 2nd 2018, as of now, in the very first scene where Simmons, Mackenzie and Coulson visit Yo-Yo in one of the scenes focusing on Jemma you can see this in one of the monitor (very very blurry) xx-xx-201x. But if you try to look carefully you will see that it is not a 7, but an 8. This matches with the filming of the episode.

      Good catch.

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Cloak and Dagger is being placed on February-March 2017 not 2018.

      Guess so. Interesting it ends up happening right before the opening events of Agents of SHIELD Season 4. Guess New Orleans didn't come up on their radar.

      BEJT wrote: In the fight just after, at about 12:18.

      Thanks. I'll take a look at that when I rewatch. I guess that could place the anniversary over the weekend of February 25-26, "Back Breaker" on Monday February 27, 2017, the day before Mardi Gras, and the season finale "Colony Collapse" might take place on the day of (and probably a time skip in the final scene and/or teaser).

      BEJT wrote: What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

      Interesting. I was thinking this whole time the game in first episode was one of the two quarter final games in the state tournament. And the "state finals" they kept referring to was the final game in the tournament because I think the opposing team is announced as champions in that episode Tyrone misses the last shot on purpose?
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    • @Mrmichaelt - I don’t think you understand how the MCU works. AoS is its own show dealing with its own issue, it makes more sense to not include them for the sake of suppressing fandom. If you believe that Cloak and Dagger should have been of SHIELD’s radar at the beginning of AoS S4, ask yourself why hasn’t Iron Man contacted Jessica Jones??

      If I can regard myself as a character the same scale as Jessica Jones, I wouldn’t expect someone like Iron Man (same scale as any Governmental figure) to walk to my doorstep and knock on my door to greet me. I’ve already explained this to you and you still don’t understand how the MCU works.

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      Yeah, but also just that I think Feige and Marvel Studios want everything MCU to be self-made - everything was made by Marvel Studios or Marvel Television.

      It's part of the reasons I don't want Venom to have anything to do with the MCU (I've got several, not going to go into that now). I don't want Sony to tarnish the MCU - even if the film is good (I personally don't think it looks good), it's not Marvel's. Keep it out.

      Agreed. It looks better than I thought it would be, but still don't want it to be a part of the MCU. The director was talking about how this Venom has nothing to do with Spider-Man so they don't have a white spider symbol on him, so I really doubt this will be MCU at all. I just hope that we can get Venom in the MCU eventually. But maybe I'm just biased - Spider-Man is my favorite superhero. I think he could have easily two or three trilogies in the MCU. I just wish Disney would buy the rights to Spider-Man outright from Sony lol.

      BEJT wrote:

      Thanks, that's one of the things I'm currently working on - the final exact timings of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War.

      Can't wait for that! With the release of Infinity War on digital today, that should help you out. Also in the commentary, the Russos say that Infinity War takes place roughly over two days. I think that only confirms what we thought so that's good.

      Deadpooled123:

      @Mrmichaelt - I don’t think you understand how the MCU works. AoS is its own show dealing with its own issue, it makes more sense to not include them for the sake of suppressing fandom. If you believe that Cloak and Dagger should have been of SHIELD’s radar at the beginning of AoS S4, ask yourself why hasn’t Iron Man contacted Jessica Jones??

      If I can regard myself as a character the same scale as Jessica Jones, I wouldn’t expect someone like Iron Man (same scale as any Governmental figure) to walk to my doorstep and knock on my door to greet me. I’ve already explained this to you and you still don’t understand how the MCU works.

      Ok dude, there's no reason to get hostile here... Let's keep it civil and friendly.

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      Thanks, that's one of the things I'm currently working on - the final exact timings of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War.

      I've actually got Infinity War in my MCU chronological cut that's mostly redone (thank god for the digital release), but there's not much evidence for placements and it's mostly placing scenes where other characters would spend a long time travelling. I trust your workings and research would be much more accurate, and I'd adjust mine in accordance to what you come up with, but mine goes as follows:

      • Statesman attack/Bruce's return to Earth
      • Guardians crash into Thor
      • Strange contacts Tony
      • Thor awakens on ship
      • Greenwich Village attack

      (The reason these scenes overlay is taking into account the time it takes for the Guardians to get Thor onto the ship, Tony and Bruce to reconcile and catch up, Thanos explanations, etc)

      • Scotland fight
      • Gamora asks Quill to kill her, Knowhere scene
      • Avengers Facility and Wakanda scene
      • Q-ship rescue
      • Gamora, Thanos and Nebula scene
      • Nebula contacts Guardians
      • Vormir Scene
      • Crash on Titan, fight with Guardians, plan scene w/Dr. Strange timeline line
      • Wakanda arrival, "Get this man a shield"
      • Thor arrives at Nidavellir, Eitri tells him about Stormbreaker
      • Wakanda fight begins, "You might want to pick up the pace"
      • Thor forges Stormbreaker, arrives in Wakanda
      • Wakanda fight continues until Corvus Glaive's death
      • Entirety of Titan fight
      • Thanos arrives at Wakanda and does a heckin' snap
      • "Oh God"
      • Nick Fury scene
      • Titan disintegrations
      • Thanos comes to his farm

      By the way, by the time Avengers 4 is out on digital I'll be able to complete this thing, I've currently got it set up as if it was a TV show, divided into roughly 50-minute intervals with various edits, such as soundtrack replacement and removing narration from flashbacks, I've worked on it for a long time and maybe once it's done I ca approach Marvel with it or something, I don't know. If I were, this wiki and the main timeline contributors would definitely get most of the credit for research.​​​​ ​​​

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    • Cornstomper wrote:

      By the way, by the time Avengers 4 is out on digital I'll be able to complete this thing, I've currently got it set up as if it was a TV show, divided into roughly 50-minute intervals with various edits, such as soundtrack replacement and removing narration from flashbacks, I've worked on it for a long time and maybe once it's done I ca approach Marvel with it or something, I don't know. If I were, this wiki and the main timeline contributors would definitely get most of the credit for research.​​​​ ​​​

      Do you have TV shows included or only movies?

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    • Can anyone get me the dates for season 5 of AoS up to episode 11? I assume both Orientation days are sort of May 12, 2017? Or are we placing them as the most future thing in the Marvel universe?

      Also, is there a place where we are keeping dates that are not in the "2018" page, "2017" page, etc.? I keep seeing we have specific dates for things like AoS Season 5 or C&D, but they aren't in their respective timeline page yet. If there is, can someone tell me how to get there? This way I don't need to keep asking about decided dates since I'm new here.

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    • CirUmeUela wrote:
      Cornstomper wrote:

      By the way, by the time Avengers 4 is out on digital I'll be able to complete this thing, I've currently got it set up as if it was a TV show, divided into roughly 50-minute intervals with various edits, such as soundtrack replacement and removing narration from flashbacks, I've worked on it for a long time and maybe once it's done I ca approach Marvel with it or something, I don't know. If I were, this wiki and the main timeline contributors would definitely get most of the credit for research.​​​​ ​​​

      Do you have TV shows included or only movies?

      Only movies and one shots. For one I don't watch the TV shows, and also that would be way too massively huge in terms of project, file size, etc. It's big enough as is.

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    • Cornstomper wrote:
      CirUmeUela wrote:
      Cornstomper wrote:

      By the way, by the time Avengers 4 is out on digital I'll be able to complete this thing, I've currently got it set up as if it was a TV show, divided into roughly 50-minute intervals with various edits, such as soundtrack replacement and removing narration from flashbacks, I've worked on it for a long time and maybe once it's done I ca approach Marvel with it or something, I don't know. If I were, this wiki and the main timeline contributors would definitely get most of the credit for research.​​​​ ​​​

      Do you have TV shows included or only movies?
      Only movies and one shots. For one I don't watch the TV shows, and also that would be way too massively huge in terms of project, file size, etc. It's big enough as is.

      Yeah fair enough. I'm thinking about doing it with TV shows as well, and pretty much anything that can be MCU canon, including promotional material. Except for obviously not canon stuff like Team Thor. I have my timeline with everything on it, but I don't know if I will ever put it all together. I at least will attempt to watch everything in that order whether or not I edit it all together. And I would like to make a series of timeline videos with it on YouTube.

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    • The photo with the World News Broadcast indicates the time in Scotland when Vision and Scarlet Witch watch on is 'Thursday 8:39pm' l think.... This would then place the train passing by around 8.51pm on a Thursday IF it's heading to Ediburgh Gateway and every Tuesday departure results in the same time. This doesn't help address the date but it does add balance to finding out what it could be through AoS E19-22 if Infinity War began on a Wednesday. 

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    • I've seen Ant-Man and the Wasp. It's pretty good. They never specify anything about Scott's sentence that would exclude the possibility of it being shortened to 21 months. So that's good. Also, I think there's a date visible on Scott's laptop when he's watching something on it very early in the movie. It gets blurred out really fast, so I couldn't quite make it out.

      About 2-3 days seem to pass over the course of the movie, followed by a time skip to the mid credits scene.

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    • In the commentary, the Russos say that since the ending of Doctor Strange to Infinity War has passed a few years. Source

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      In the commentary, the Russos say that since the ending of Doctor Strange to Infinity War has passed a few years. Source

      Since the end of the film, not the post credit scene involving Baron Mordo set in 2017. 

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    • The movies ends on late Janury 2017.

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    • Will respond to the other stuff soon, but:

      Just saw Ant-Man and the Wasp. Enjoyed it quite a bit, a little underwhelmed. I absolutely don't mind an MCU film that's just simple and enjoyable right after Infinity War, but I was a little surprised by just how simple it was. But it was fun, and Hope's great - I'm sad that she won't be a major part of Avengers 4, because... SPOILERS! She's gone! Damn! Credits scene was effective. I'd kinda had it spoiled that Scott was stuck in the Quantum Realm sadly but I didn't know why. All three! I thought that if Hope went, then maybe Janet would stay and we'd get one Wasp and one Ant-Man still alive, but no, man!

      Anyway, the main portion of the film (from Scott playing with Cassie in the cardboard tunnels up to Jimmy Woo releasing Scott) obviously has to be 3 days because it's the 3 final days of his house arrest. However, everything from them setting up the building in the forest to Janet getting back takes place over only a few hours in the morning, because there's the 2-hour limit with getting Janet back. Considering that has to be Wednesday, the stuff with them being at Ghost/Bill's house is on Tuesday evening, them retrieving the suit from Hope's school is Tuesday daytime, them talking to Bill is probably Tuesday midday-ish. So either Hope driving Scott in the tiny van and the scene in Sonny's restaurant are Tuesday morning, which would mean she took him Monday evening and so the montage of him home alone actually goes to the next day, or the montage is still just Sunday, she picks him up Sunday evening, and the stuff with Sonny is Monday. I'll have a think about it and might have to have a quick skim online, but:

      • Sunday - It's the end of the weekend when Cassie leaves.
      • Sunday or Sunday-Monday - Montage of Scott at home. As The Wikia Editor says, there seems to be a date on Scott's laptop when he's watching magic videos, but I couldn't make it out.
      • Sunday or Monday - Scott has the vision and calls Hank. Hope takes him from his house.
      • Monday or Tuesday - Scott wakes up in the van. Hope deals with Sonny Birch but the lab is stolen by Ghost.
      • Tuesday - They visit Bill Foster. They go to Ghost's house and get tied up but escape.
      • Night of Tuesday-Wednesday - They set up in the forest.
      • Wednesday early hours - Sonny gives Luis truth serum. Janet talks through Scott's body. They find out they have 2 hours to get Janet out.
      • Wednesday morning - Scott gets back to his house. Hope and Hank are arrested. Scott breaks them out. The chase at the bay while Hank is in the Quantum Realm. Janet gets back and Ghost is fixed. Scott gets back again in time to be released from house arrest.

      I do think one week works best between the end of the film and the credits scenes. Well, specifically 8 days, it's the Thursday of the week after. There's four scenes, and I think they're just that Saturday-Sunday.

      • Scott picks Cassie up for the weekend again.
      • The X-Cons get their deal (he said "I'll see you Thursday 9AM," which is 12PM noon New York. The snap's at 11:24AM New York. Poor Luis never got his dream deal...). It seems like it's still very soon after the bay chase.
      • The beach.
      • The laptop drive-in. Presumably still during Scott's weekend. Might also have a laptop date that I couldn't make out.

      So I think all four scenes are the Saturday-Sunday following. And then the mid-credits scene is the Thursday after that. I do think it suggests that it's been more than a week, but to keep Infinity War as early as possible and also to get them as close as realistically possible, considering the Avengers still think he's under house arrest in Infinity War, I think 8 days is best.

      If we assume Scott's deal counts from the day he was arrested, June 24, 2016, then it would be set to end June 23, 2018. His 2 days in prison count as double, then it's set to end June 21, 2018. He gets 3 months reduced, then it's set to end March 21, 2018. March 21st was a Wednesday. That would make sense to me, I'll just check it with my relative, but yeah, at least for now, are we saying?:

      • c. Thursday, March 15th - Episode 14. Beginning of Episode 15.
      • c. Saturday, March 17th - End of Episode 15.
      • Sunday, March 18th
        • Beginning of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
        • Episode 16. Episode 17. Beginning of Episode 18. I've actually already worked out the timings of every scene in these episodes because I was working out how the time zones all lined up, so that will help with integrating Ant-Man and the Wasp events.
      • Monday, March 19th
        • Ant-Man and the Wasp ongoing events.
        • Episode 18.
      • Tuesday, March 20th - Ant-Man and the Wasp ongoing events.
      • Wednesday, March 21st - End of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
      • Wednesday, March 28th
        • Beginning of Infinity War.
        • Episode 19. Episode 20. Beginning of Episode 21.
      • Thursday, March 29th
        • The rest of Infinity War.
        • Rest of Episode 21. Episode 22.
        • Ant-Man and the Wasp credits scene.

      Also when do we think the opening scene is, when Hank is telling Hope (still with her bob haircut) that there might be a chance to get Janet? Within a few days of the end of Ant-Man, or just after they've started to go on the run? Because Luis' truth serum scene suggests that Hope still had the bob in 2016 when Scott got arrested, and I don't know whether they were working on the Quantum Realm pod thing until they went on the run. Again, might have to have a bit of a look online.

      I'm starting to think that it's more likely that the montage with Scott goes into Monday, and then Hope takes him Monday night. He does a lot of stuff in that montage for just the remainder of one day, and I think he's in bed when he reads The Fault in Our Stars, suggesting that his bath, after that, is the next day.


      So glad I can freely use the wiki again without worrying. It's been so frustrating.

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    • What are the time placements for AoS S5E12 and S5E13?

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    • OK, since I no longer have to do such big long replies, I can start grouping by category instead of just doing everything in order of posting:

      Cloak & Dagger (Mrmichaelt)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: Thanks. I'll take a look at that when I rewatch. I guess that could place the anniversary over the weekend of February 25-26, "Back Breaker" on Monday February 27, 2017, the day before Mardi Gras, and the season finale "Colony Collapse" might take place on the day of (and probably a time skip in the final scene and/or teaser).

      Sounds about right to me.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: Interesting. I was thinking this whole time the game in first episode was one of the two quarter final games in the state tournament. And the "state finals" they kept referring to was the final game in the tournament because I think the opposing team is announced as champions in that episode Tyrone misses the last shot on purpose?

      Oh, right. Not living in the U.S., I didn't know much about these tournaments work, so from what I'd read on The Comic Board, I had just assumed it was that the season ends and then a few weeks later you have the "state finals" and that was just the one game, the final, shown in Episode 5-ish I think it was. So I assumed Episode 1 was the end of the season, but you're probably right. I'll have to take another look. I did wonder why the state finals dates on the calendars we looked at spanned several days rather than just one definitive date. I had assumed it was something to do with just a 6-day window in which the final could take place, but that the exact date would only be decided once they knew who was in the final.

      Well, if it is just a quarter final or something in Episode 1, Mardi Gras kind of still overrules it. I don't think it's that big a deal to assume that the state finals are just a couple of weeks earlier in the MCU. But it would be evidence that basically tells us "This show should take place in a year where Mardi Gras is as late as possible," and 2017 is the latest it has been since 2014, with February 28th, so that would add to the 2017 evidence.


      Venom (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Agreed. It looks better than I thought it would be, but still don't want it to be a part of the MCU. The director was talking about how this Venom has nothing to do with Spider-Man so they don't have a white spider symbol on him, so I really doubt this will be MCU at all. I just hope that we can get Venom in the MCU eventually. But maybe I'm just biased - Spider-Man is my favorite superhero. I think he could have easily two or three trilogies in the MCU. I just wish Disney would buy the rights to Spider-Man outright from Sony lol.

      I doubt it as well, but the rumours that Tom Holland will be in the film concern me. I really want it kept separate. I know a lot of people think Spider-Man showing up would be a great thing, but the difference for me is that I think they want Venom to be a good film and feel like Spider-Man is necessary for that. I think Spider-Man is indeed pretty necessary for a Venom film, but I don't approve of Venom the 2018 Sony film, and so rather than having Spider-Man show up in that and thus have Venom barge its way into the MCU unwanted, I'd honestly prefer for Venom to flop and for us to get Venom done properly by Marvel in the MCU. Then you can have Spider-Man with Venom.

      I'm kind of anti-this film. I'm not usually like that, but I think Sony are being shady (and idiots) in making this film. They've tried this "we'll make our own expanded universe using only one character's IP") before and it failed, but they're still trying. But also, I don't like the way they kind of seem to be trying to trick casual audiences into thinking it's a Marvel film and/or a spin-off of the Tom Holland Spider-Man to get people to come and see it. It feels kinda exploitative of the MCU, and also, if it's bad (which there's a very good chance it might be), then it tarnishes the Marvel brand for casual audiences who don't understand the distinction. And if they essentially canonise themselves into the MCU by putting Tom Holland in this, then that's really kind of exploitative of the deal. Because they probably could, since they own the character. They probably could put him in this, but to basically force your way into the MCU, a wholly Marvel Studios-made universe, so you get notoriety and more money is, in my opinion, really dodgy. And really annoying.

      I think I'd have less bad will towards this film if we knew with 100% certainty that they are not putting Tom Holland in the film. I still think it's a bad idea and that Marvel would do a much better job with Venom than Sony will, because just in general, Marvel have shown that they are better. But I'd care less if Sony were making it very clear this was separate, with no question about it being a part of the MCU. Make your own dodgy decisions Sony, succeed or fail by your own hand, but if you're not letting Marvel be involved, don't get Marvel involved. Don't drag them down with you. Don't make your problems their problems.

      Also maybe I'm hate-watching, but the latest trailer really made me think, "This looks bad." Some of the dialogue is incredibly wooden or clunky, and that "turd in the wind" line was just awful, I felt. It made me wince, finding it really cringey and awkward.

      Sorry, not usually this negative about something! And I'm glad you seem to like the trailers, just personally, not working for me.


      Infinity War Timings (CirUmeUela, Cornstomper, Deadpooled123)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Can't wait for that! With the release of Infinity War on digital today, that should help you out. Also in the commentary, the Russos say that Infinity War takes place roughly over two days. I think that only confirms what we thought so that's good.

      Cornstomper wrote: I've actually got Infinity War in my MCU chronological cut that's mostly redone (thank god for the digital release), but there's not much evidence for placements and it's mostly placing scenes where other characters would spend a long time travelling. I trust your workings and research would be much more accurate, and I'd adjust mine in accordance to what you come up with, but mine goes as follows:

      • Statesman attack/Bruce's return to Earth
      • Guardians crash into Thor
      • Strange contacts Tony
      • Thor awakens on ship
      • Greenwich Village attack

      (The reason these scenes overlay is taking into account the time it takes for the Guardians to get Thor onto the ship, Tony and Bruce to reconcile and catch up, Thanos explanations, etc)

      • Scotland fight
      • Gamora asks Quill to kill her, Knowhere scene
      • Avengers Facility and Wakanda scene
      • Q-ship rescue
      • Gamora, Thanos and Nebula scene
      • Nebula contacts Guardians
      • Vormir Scene
      • Crash on Titan, fight with Guardians, plan scene w/Dr. Strange timeline line
      • Wakanda arrival, "Get this man a shield"
      • Thor arrives at Nidavellir, Eitri tells him about Stormbreaker
      • Wakanda fight begins, "You might want to pick up the pace"
      • Thor forges Stormbreaker, arrives in Wakanda
      • Wakanda fight continues until Corvus Glaive's death
      • Entirety of Titan fight
      • Thanos arrives at Wakanda and does a heckin' snap
      • "Oh God"
      • Nick Fury scene
      • Titan disintegrations
      • Thanos comes to his farm

      By the way, by the time Avengers 4 is out on digital I'll be able to complete this thing, I've currently got it set up as if it was a TV show, divided into roughly 50-minute intervals with various edits, such as soundtrack replacement and removing narration from flashbacks, I've worked on it for a long time and maybe once it's done I ca approach Marvel with it or something, I don't know. If I were, this wiki and the main timeline contributors would definitely get most of the credit for research.​​​​ ​​​

      CirUmeUela wrote: Do you have TV shows included or only movies?

      Cornstomper wrote: Only movies and one shots. For one I don't watch the TV shows, and also that would be way too massively huge in terms of project, file size, etc. It's big enough as is.

      Because your cut is just the films, Cornstomper, there isn't so much of a problem. What I meant is I'm working out the exact timings of scenes in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episodes 19-22 and the exact timings of scenes in Infinity War, because they're set concurrently and I need to find out the exact order of the scenes in each. As well as this, I was busy working out the exact timings of the minutes leading up to and following Thanos' snap. Because due to travel times and sunrise times and things (might be slightly easier now we've moved things to March, when sunrise is a little earlier), the end of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episode 22 can barely squeeze in before the snap and might have to finish mere moments before Thanos snaps his fingers, and then also I was trying to sync up the Fury and Hill scene with the people vanishing in Wakanda/on Titan. Now I'll also have to add the Ant-Man and the Wasp mid-credits scene, and adjust the timings slightly based on March sunrise and sunset times.

      Totally get why you're just doing films, though. It's got to be a LOT of file space and render time and just effort/work in general to put the whole thing together.

      You've reminded me, I should also finish that Fury's Big Week blog that I started a few months ago, with the exact timings of the three Fury's Big Week films and how they weave together.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: The photo with the World News Broadcast indicates the time in Scotland when Vision and Scarlet Witch watch on is 'Thursday 8:39pm' l think.... This would then place the train passing by around 8.51pm on a Thursday IF it's heading to Ediburgh Gateway and every Tuesday departure results in the same time. This doesn't help address the date but it does add balance to finding out what it could be through AoS E19-22 if Infinity War began on a Wednesday. 

      Deadpooled123 wrote: [1]

      Good catch, and nice research there. It could be TUESDAY or THURSDAY, it's not clear, but the "Wed" on Tony's phone is a lot clearer and is probably overruling, with Infinity War still starting on Wednesday. I'll see if I can find a more HD version of the image to check if it says 8:39PM, but if it does (or whatever time it says), I'll see if that works with the Infinity War timing calculations. There is also the clock in the background when Steve walks over to Vision to help him to his feet, which even with the digital release is still hard to read. So I'll have a look at both of those and see if they fit with the timings of the film.


      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 1-10 (Kbeaud)

      Kbeaud wrote: Can anyone get me the dates for season 5 of AoS up to episode 11? I assume both Orientation days are sort of May 12, 2017? Or are we placing them as the most future thing in the Marvel universe?

      Also, is there a place where we are keeping dates that are not in the "2018" page, "2017" page, etc.? I keep seeing we have specific dates for things like AoS Season 5 or C&D, but they aren't in their respective timeline page yet. If there is, can someone tell me how to get there? This way I don't need to keep asking about decided dates since I'm new here.

      So, the majority of Episode 1 and all of Episodes 2-4 and 6-10 obviously take place in 2091. However, I assume you're referring to how they would fit in in a watch order, distributed between May 12th (the date they leave for the future) and December 4th (the date they return for the future). I did some calculations a few months ago, I'll try and find them in the thread.

      OK, so here are the calculations, if you want to have a look and understand where these results are coming from. I don't want to post them all again here. But the two sets of results were either:

      BEJT wrote:

      • Episode 1
        • May 12, 2017-June 22, 2017 07:05.
        • Midpoint: June 12, 2017 21:43.
      • Episode 2
        • June 22, 2017 13:54-July 9, 2017 02:00.
        • Midpoint: July 3, 2017 23:05.
      • Episode 3
        • July 10, 2017 05:19-August 9, 2017 02:24.
        • Midpoint: July 14, 2017 11:46.
      • Episode 4
        • August 31, 2017 07:05-September 25, 2017 21:44.
        • Midpoint: September 10, 2017 06:07.
      • Episode 6
        • September 25, 2017 21:44-October 16, 2017 16:16.
        • Midpoint: October 7, 2017 06:54.
      • Episode 7
        • October 16, 2017 23:06-October 27, 2017 04:57.
        • Midpoint: October 22, 2017 02:02.
      • Episode 8
        • October 27, 2017 18:37-November 16, 2017 22:30.
        • Midpoint: November 2, 2017 11:12.
      • Episode 9
        • November 17, 2017 18:59-November 28, 2017 07:40.
        • Midpoint: November 22, 2017 19:11.
      • Episode 10
        • November 28, 2017 14:30-December 4, 2017 12:05.
        • Midpoint: December 2, 2017 03:11.

      Or:

      BEJT wrote:

      • Episode 1
        • Midpoint: May 15, 2017 22:51.
      • Episode 2
        • Midpoint: June 23, 2017 19:12.
      • Episode 3
        • Midpoint: July 13, 2017 05:22.
      • Episode 4
        • Midpoint: October 27, 2017 19:02.
      • Episode 6
        • Midpoint: November 27, 2017 01:07.
      • Episode 7
        • Midpoint: November 28, 2017 21:27.
      • Episode 8
        • Midpoint: November 30, 2017 07:34.
      • Episode 9
        • Midpoint: December 2, 2017 20:15.
      • Episode 10
        • Midpoint: December 4, 2017 00:36.

      Depending on your choice of method, as explained in the calculations. Hope that helps.

      If you also want to know about Episode 5, all of Fitz's montage is already on the 2017 page. The rest of the episode takes place November 25-26, 2017.

      As for the draft stuff:


      Ant-Man and the Wasp (The Wikia Editor)

      The Wikia Editor wrote: I've seen Ant-Man and the Wasp. It's pretty good. They never specify anything about Scott's sentence that would exclude the possibility of it being shortened to 21 months. So that's good. Also, I think there's a date visible on Scott's laptop when he's watching something on it very early in the movie. It gets blurred out really fast, so I couldn't quite make it out.

      About 2-3 days seem to pass over the course of the movie, followed by a time skip to the mid credits scene.

      Yeah, there's 3 mentions of "2 years" I believe. There's Jimmy Woo saying he was sentenced to 2 years, there's Scott saying he hasn't driven for 2 years (which isn't any sort of legal "2 years" it's just a general "2 years" so could easily be 21 months), and then there's Scott saying at the end something like "My 2 years is up already?" So 21 months works alright, I still don't think it's going to be the final solution, but it works for now, for all the evidence we currently have.


      Doctor Strange (Marvelous 345678, Deadpooled123)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: In the commentary, the Russos say that since the ending of Doctor Strange to Infinity War has passed a few years. Source

      Deadpooled123 wrote: Since the end of the film, not the post credit scene involving Baron Mordo set in 2017. 

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: The movies ends on late Janury 2017.

      Like Marvelous says, the majority of the film (from a bit before halfway right up until the ending) is January 2017. However, while this isn't ideal, I think this is another case of the Russos purely thinking in real time. They just think, "Well, Doctor Strange came out in 2016, "years" ago, so it's been "years" for him." It won't change our placements, I may at some point add it to the list of Doctor Strange evidence but if it changes anything it would probably mathematically only have the impact that it moves the climax to like a couple of days earlier.

      But obviously thanks for pointing it out Marvelous, good to always collect as much information as possible.


      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 12-13 (Deadpooled123)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: What are the time placements for AoS S5E12 and S5E13?

      12 takes place on December 6, 2017, as is given in the episode, where Yo-Yo's monitor says "12-06-2017".

      13 takes place around Christmas time, so late December 2017 or possibly very early January, because Marvelous says he's fairly sure there's a 2018 date on Yo-Yo's monitor in the episode.

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    • BEJT wrote: Oh, right. Not living in the U.S., I didn't know much about these tournaments work, so from what I'd read on The Comic Board, I had just assumed it was that the season ends and then a few weeks later you have the "state finals" and that was just the one game, the final, shown in Episode 5-ish I think it was. So I assumed Episode 1 was the end of the season, but you're probably right. I'll have to take another look. I did wonder why the state finals dates on the calendars we looked at spanned several days rather than just one definitive date. I had assumed it was something to do with just a 6-day window in which the final could take place, but that the exact date would only be decided once they knew who was in the final.

      Well, if it is just a quarter final or something in Episode 1, Mardi Gras kind of still overrules it. I don't think it's that big a deal to assume that the state finals are just a couple of weeks earlier in the MCU. But it would be evidence that basically tells us "This show should take place in a year where Mardi Gras is as late as possible," and 2017 is the latest it has been since 2014, with February 28th, so that would add to the 2017 evidence.
      I agree, Mardi Gras overrules it and the dates of the tournament can be adjusted since unless the championship banners hanging in the gym, in the ep. 1 I think gave any indication, the show doesn't outright state what division St. Sebastian's participates in. But, just as an example of the tournament timeline, this was the 2017 Division 1 bracket for the Louisiana High School Boys Basketball from maxpreps.com.

      BEJT wrote: 13 takes place around Christmas time, so late December 2017 or possibly very early January, because Marvelous says he's fairly sure there's a 2018 date on Yo-Yo's monitor in the episode.

      (Counting the recap at the start of Principia) I think the monitor appeared in full view around the 3:13 and 4:11 marks. But there were some close ups, 2 or 3, but characters like Simmons were blocking part of the monitor in the shot.
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    • The Russos also talked about Okoye having an important role on Avengers 4 in the extras, so maybe there is not time jump between Infinity War and Avengers 4 so late May-early June might be the final thing. Dammit Marvel. You son of a...

      Okay, now that I am not joking around, :v, I think 21 months works perfectly. And also rewatching AoS512 (lovely episode) I have realized that the December 6th date is not blur, it is intended to be December 6th but I think it should be ignored. And even further when Avengers 4 comes in and change some more placements. Like I say: Marvel you son of a...

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    • I just realised something... Iron Man, post Thanos snap, has the suit triangle on his chest rather than the jacket. Weird...

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      I just realised something... Iron Man, post Thanos snap, has the suit triangle on his chest rather than the jacket. Weird...

      It wasn't on his Jacket earlier it was through his shirt like before after the snap he's just not wearing a shirt!

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    • Daredevil Season 3 confirmed for this year. 2018

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    • So Bussterj, he took his shirt off then? (Sigh).. the New York battle clearly shows it is part of the jacket when he taps it.....

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      So Bussterj, he took his shirt off then? (Sigh).. the New York battle clearly shows it is part of the jacket when he taps it.....

      In the park when he tapped his chest the jacket was around his neck seconds later his jacket is gone, when he patches up his wound his shirt is on then the snap and hes just wearing the jacket! No idea where he's been keeping it. But the shirt when he patches himself up does have a zip but doesnt have a hood so i dunno cause the one he wears at the beginning has no zip! Confusing!!

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    • This weeks cloak and dagger 100% Mardi Gras!

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    • Bussterj wrote:

      Deadpooled123 wrote:
      So Bussterj, he took his shirt off then? (Sigh).. the New York battle clearly shows it is part of the jacket when he taps it.....

      In the park when he tapped his chest the jacket was around his neck seconds later his jacket is gone, when he patches up his wound his shirt is on then the snap and hes just wearing the jacket! No idea where he's been keeping it. But the shirt when he patches himself up does have a zip but doesnt have a hood so i dunno cause the one he wears at the beginning has no zip! Confusing!!

      In New York, he pulls the jacket strings down then taps the triangle on top of his jacket. On the ship, he’s still wearing his jacket with the symbol on top. When Thanos stabs him, he’s wearing the jacket but as when people are vanishing post Thanos snap, the triangle seems to be on his chest.

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      Bussterj wrote:

      Deadpooled123 wrote:
      So Bussterj, he took his shirt off then? (Sigh).. the New York battle clearly shows it is part of the jacket when he taps it.....
      In the park when he tapped his chest the jacket was around his neck seconds later his jacket is gone, when he patches up his wound his shirt is on then the snap and hes just wearing the jacket! No idea where he's been keeping it. But the shirt when he patches himself up does have a zip but doesnt have a hood so i dunno cause the one he wears at the beginning has no zip! Confusing!!

      In New York, he pulls the jacket strings down then taps the triangle on top of his jacket. On the ship, he’s still wearing his jacket with the symbol on top. When Thanos stabs him, he’s wearing the jacket but as when people are vanishing post Thanos snap, the triangle seems to be on his chest.

      It must just be like his t-shirts with cutout for the triangles its like some kind of thermal or body protection shirt! Whenever he wears the jacket its always partly covering the symbol. It is still part of him but as he says its just to store the nanites

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    • So Ant-Man and the Wasp finally was released in Ireland/UK and I got to see it and enjoyed it. One thing that I guess I should have expected but was disappointed by was the lack of Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet in the film that the whole movie was about getting her back. When she did appear like the opening and in the last act I thought she did well she embodied that fun playful but also kind person who loved being a superhero that I saw in Avengers EMH that translated from the comics. I admitedly haven't read Janet in the comics but I want to go back at some point because she seems like a character I'd like.

      The thing I'm trying to piece together though is the flashback stuff mainly when do Hank and Janet become agents working for S.H.I.E.L.D.? If I were to guess they'd be born in the late 40s to early 50s respectively as not every character matches their actors' age especially with them since Michelle Pfeiffer is about 14 years younger than Douglas. You expect maybe the 1960s as homage to when they first appeared in comics and that's when James Bond was popular and the height of the Cold War or whatever but I think they'd be too young still. Given we know they are there by the 80s with them stopping the missile in 1987 and Hank resigns in 1989 then I'm guessing they join in the 70s? Then there's the stuff regarding Elihas Starr and Bill and Ava does that happen after Janet is lost? I guess Starr is fired sometime in the 80s and then maybe continues his research into the 90s and is killed and that's when Bill shows up.

      Honestly if we got a movie about Hank and Janet a lot of this stuff would be cleared up more. I mostly think about this stuff because I'm actually interested in the prequel MCU idea because it's completely unmarked territorty they've barely scratched the surface of that's far removed from modern day stuff. Obviously Captain America TFA is the beginning of it because it has too and then Agent Carter continues where that leaves off but it was cut too short. After those Ant-Man flashbacks we have nothing until Captain Marvel and maybe Black Widow is possibly going to be there as well.

      So if they were active in the 70s what missions did you think Hank and Janet did? Would you like to see more of them or a movie about other heroes back then like the Invaders/Pro-Avengers with Peggy and Howard as the leaders with Fury then being inspired by it to create the Avengers? I'd be down for a Hank and Janet prequel and an Avengers Cold War film and Fantastic Four set in the 60s and a S.H.I.E.L.D. film centering on Peggy and Howard or Nick Fury or all three being at the centre of it. Or even if you wanted to go further what would other cosmic characters like Stakarr and Yondu and their Guardians team or Asgardians be doing? I'd have been curious to see someone from Asgard like Sif actually appear in Agent Carter again if it continued and they don't know it's their first encounter with Asgard.

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    • A Fantastic Four film set in the 1960's would not work in the MCU because for it to be apparent, you would have to include random continuity out of nowhere in future films and television shows. 

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    • Cloak & Dagger (Mrmichaelt, Bussterj, Deadpooled123)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: I agree, Mardi Gras overrules it and the dates of the tournament can be adjusted since unless the championship banners hanging in the gym, in the ep. 1 I think gave any indication, the show doesn't outright state what division St. Sebastian's participates in. But, just as an example of the tournament timeline, this was the 2017 Division 1 bracket for the Louisiana High School Boys Basketball from maxpreps.com.

      Thanks. Now that the season is over and we can finally draw the conclusion that it is February 2017, I'll have a crack in the next few days at rewatching the show and sketching out the exact dates. Basically, it will be working back from Mardi Gras on February 28th, and trying to minimise the time that passes so that the basketball finals are as close to real life as possible. I'll probably also try and make them the same day of the week as the real world, so they'll just be exactly 2 weeks (or something like that) earlier than the real world.


      Bussterj wrote: This weeks cloak and dagger 100% Mardi Gras!

      Yeah. I've been writing up the final list of all the evidence and will post that soon, but the conclusion is February 2017.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: Also, Cloak and Dagger happens over three days referring to the lessons shown

      I'm not really sure what you mean. The season as a whole is a lot more than 3 days, do you just mean the finale? And which lessons are you referring to?


      Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episode 13 - Principia (Mrmichaelt)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: (Counting the recap at the start of Principia) I think the monitor appeared in full view around the 3:13 and 4:11 marks. But there were some close ups, 2 or 3, but characters like Simmons were blocking part of the monitor in the shot.

      Thanks. It's very very hard to make out, but I'll have a very close look at these two pages of HD screencaps: 1, 2. I assume these are what Marvelous was referring to.


      Avengers: Infinity War/Avengers 4 (Marvelous 345678)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: The Russos also talked about Okoye having an important role on Avengers 4 in the extras, so maybe there is not time jump between Infinity War and Avengers 4 so late May-early June might be the final thing. Dammit Marvel. You son of a...

      Okay, now that I am not joking around, :v, I think 21 months works perfectly. And also rewatching AoS512 (lovely episode) I have realized that the December 6th date is not blur, it is intended to be December 6th but I think it should be ignored. And even further when Avengers 4 comes in and change some more placements. Like I say: Marvel you son of a...

      Well Okoye could still have a major part to play 5 years down the line. But we'll see, I don't know if it's as simple as a 5-year jump, but I do think there's something going on involving the future.

      21 months does work nicely. I started doing more California legal research and saw some stuff suggesting there might not be good behaviour reduction options in house arrest, but it wasn't clear. I'll keep researching and keep thinking about the issue, because I'm sure there will be more contradictory evidence to come later on, but for now... for now, we're good. I've done a big edit of the 2018 page to correct the dates and rewrite the reference.

      The "12-06-2017" isn't super clear, but it is legible. If it were just the one date, I would agree that it could be ignored. However, it lines up perfectly with:

      • Being soon after Rewind, which is November 25-26, 2017.
      • Being "months" after they left in May 2017, as mentioned by Hale in Episode 12.
      • Being soon after Thor: Ragnarok, with the Episode 11 reference suggesting the events were recent, and that film is in late 2017.
      • Being only a little time before Christmas, which seems to be when Episode 13 - Principia is set.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: In the Blu Ray, they talk about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. They say we ahve to watch it to find out where Cull Obsidian's hand is 😂

      Well even though it's a joke, I'm glad they gave the show some recognition!


      Daredevil (Marvelous 345678)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Daredevil Season 3 confirmed for this year. 2018

      It had kind of already been confirmed but I'm glad it's been reconfirmed closer to the time. I have to adjust my prediction blog again now that we know Iron Fist: Season 2 is 10 episodes and not 13, because that changes things a little (plus I already had to update the timeline prediction part of it anyway), but the prediction I got for Daredevil: Season 3 before was Friday November 30th. That prediction might change a little once I update it, but still, around then.


      Ant-Man and the Wasp (Steve993, Deadpooled 123)

      Steve993 wrote: So Ant-Man and the Wasp finally was released in Ireland/UK and I got to see it and enjoyed it. One thing that I guess I should have expected but was disappointed by was the lack of Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet in the film that the whole movie was about getting her back. When she did appear like the opening and in the last act I thought she did well she embodied that fun playful but also kind person who loved being a superhero that I saw in Avengers EMH that translated from the comics. I admitedly haven't read Janet in the comics but I want to go back at some point because she seems like a character I'd like.

      The thing I'm trying to piece together though is the flashback stuff mainly when do Hank and Janet become agents working for S.H.I.E.L.D.? If I were to guess they'd be born in the late 40s to early 50s respectively as not every character matches their actors' age especially with them since Michelle Pfeiffer is about 14 years younger than Douglas. You expect maybe the 1960s as homage to when they first appeared in comics and that's when James Bond was popular and the height of the Cold War or whatever but I think they'd be too young still. Given we know they are there by the 80s with them stopping the missile in 1987 and Hank resigns in 1989 then I'm guessing they join in the 70s? Then there's the stuff regarding Elihas Starr and Bill and Ava does that happen after Janet is lost? I guess Starr is fired sometime in the 80s and then maybe continues his research into the 90s and is killed and that's when Bill shows up.

      Honestly if we got a movie about Hank and Janet a lot of this stuff would be cleared up more. I mostly think about this stuff because I'm actually interested in the prequel MCU idea because it's completely unmarked territorty they've barely scratched the surface of that's far removed from modern day stuff. Obviously Captain America TFA is the beginning of it because it has too and then Agent Carter continues where that leaves off but it was cut too short. After those Ant-Man flashbacks we have nothing until Captain Marvel and maybe Black Widow is possibly going to be there as well.

      So if they were active in the 70s what missions did you think Hank and Janet did? Would you like to see more of them or a movie about other heroes back then like the Invaders/Pro-Avengers with Peggy and Howard as the leaders with Fury then being inspired by it to create the Avengers? I'd be down for a Hank and Janet prequel and an Avengers Cold War film and Fantastic Four set in the 60s and a S.H.I.E.L.D. film centering on Peggy and Howard or Nick Fury or all three being at the centre of it. Or even if you wanted to go further what would other cosmic characters like Stakarr and Yondu and their Guardians team or Asgardians be doing? I'd have been curious to see someone from Asgard like Sif actually appear in Agent Carter again if it continued and they don't know it's their first encounter with Asgard.

      As a fellow U.K. resident, I know how annoying it has been for the last month not being able to see the film.

      I agree I expected a little more Janet, but hopefully we'll see a bit more of her in future films.

      Hank says in Ant-Man that he created the Pym particle "40 years ago", so presumably in the mid-1970s, and I would assume he was working for S.H.I.E.L.D. by that point.

      I think they made Michelle Pfeiffer look a bit older than her real age, so it's more likely they're closer to Michael Douglas' age. With most Marvel films shooting about a year before release but set roughly when they came out, generally you can add about a year to the actor's date of birth to get the approximate character date of birth. So yeah I'm not going to do the specific maths but Michael Douglas' age would suggest Hank was born around 1945, Michelle Pfeiffer's age would suggest Janet was born around 1959. I would suggest that it's maybe more like 1946 and 1952 or something like that.

      I'd be interested in a prequel, definitely. I'd love to see more of the MCU history fleshed out. If they have the confidence to deage Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg for the whole of Captain Marvel, then maybe they would have the confidence to do it for Hank and Janet for a whole film in a few years' time - obviously they would be the main characters when Fury and Coulson are just supporting characters, but it could probably work in a few years. I don't think they will do it, but still, I'd be interested in seeing it.

      If they do a further sequel to Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp to complete the trilogy, I'd like to see it be called The Wasp. Because you can't really call it something like Ant-Man, the Wasp, and Stature" or something like that - you can't just keep listing characters. As well as this, I think Wasp is as deserving as Ant-Man to be the lead character, so in the way she was a secondary character in his film, he could be a secondary character in hers. And also, it would create a nice symmetry in the trilogy's titles that is quite unique, and Marvel haven't really followed the same pattern for sequel titles for any of their series so it would be another fun way of doing the title progression. But I'd love to see some parallels between the 1980s Ant-Man and Wasp and the 2010s Ant-Man and Wasp, I was hoping for a little more of that in Ant-Man and the Wasp because it would have been the perfect time, to kind of have two parallel pairs of Ant-Man and Wasp in different decades.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: A Fantastic Four film set in the 1960's would not work in the MCU because for it to be apparent, you would have to include random continuity out of nowhere in future films and television shows. 

      Not necessarily, there could have been heroes back then. It would just make it difficult if you want to have them interact with the characters in the present day, but the '60s era could fit their character style really well. People talk about how The Incredibles would make a great Fantastic Four film, and The Incredibles is set in the 1960s, with a lot of '60s design and style.

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    • It would be too over-the-top because you would have to include history that has never been foreshadowed at the slightest of even indicated briefly. It makes sense to start first with turning down of the Avengers Tower in NYC before ANYTHING. With the last episode of C&D, l meant to edit the first message you quoted BEJT and say 'the last episode goes over 3 days' which would place Episode 9 starting on February 25 (which can accomodate that mobile error reporting 'October 5' of Billy's anniversary). 

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      Oh, right. Not living in the U.S., I didn't know much about these tournaments work, so from what I'd read on The Comic Board, I had just assumed it was that the season ends and then a few weeks later you have the "state finals" and that was just the one game, the final, shown in Episode 5-ish I think it was. So I assumed Episode 1 was the end of the season, but you're probably right. I'll have to take another look. I did wonder why the state finals dates on the calendars we looked at spanned several days rather than just one definitive date. I had assumed it was something to do with just a 6-day window in which the final could take place, but that the exact date would only be decided once they knew who was in the final.

      Well, if it is just a quarter final or something in Episode 1, Mardi Gras kind of still overrules it. I don't think it's that big a deal to assume that the state finals are just a couple of weeks earlier in the MCU. But it would be evidence that basically tells us "This show should take place in a year where Mardi Gras is as late as possible," and 2017 is the latest it has been since 2014, with February 28th, so that would add to the 2017 evidence.

      Agreed. Having watched Episode 10, it's nice to have it be fully confirmed in dialogue to be Mardi Gras, so at least there's no doubt or ambiguity.

      BEJT wrote:
      I doubt it as well, but the rumours that Tom Holland will be in the film concern me. I really want it kept separate. I know a lot of people think Spider-Man showing up would be a great thing, but the difference for me is that I think they want Venom to be a good film and feel like Spider-Man is necessary for that. I think Spider-Man is indeed pretty necessary for a Venom film, but I don't approve of Venom the 2018 Sony film, and so rather than having Spider-Man show up in that and thus have Venom barge its way into the MCU unwanted, I'd honestly prefer for Venom to flop and for us to get Venom done properly by Marvel in the MCU. Then you can have Spider-Man with Venom.

      I'm kind of anti-this film. I'm not usually like that, but I think Sony are being shady (and idiots) in making this film. They've tried this "we'll make our own expanded universe using only one character's IP") before and it failed, but they're still trying. But also, I don't like the way they kind of seem to be trying to trick casual audiences into thinking it's a Marvel film and/or a spin-off of the Tom Holland Spider-Man to get people to come and see it. It feels kinda exploitative of the MCU, and also, if it's bad (which there's a very good chance it might be), then it tarnishes the Marvel brand for casual audiences who don't understand the distinction. And if they essentially canonise themselves into the MCU by putting Tom Holland in this, then that's really kind of exploitative of the deal. Because they probably could, since they own the character. They probably could put him in this, but to basically force your way into the MCU, a wholly Marvel Studios-made universe, so you get notoriety and more money is, in my opinion, really dodgy. And really annoying.

      I think I'd have less bad will towards this film if we knew with 100% certainty that they are not putting Tom Holland in the film. I still think it's a bad idea and that Marvel would do a much better job with Venom than Sony will, because just in general, Marvel have shown that they are better. But I'd care less if Sony were making it very clear this was separate, with no question about it being a part of the MCU. Make your own dodgy decisions Sony, succeed or fail by your own hand, but if you're not letting Marvel be involved, don't get Marvel involved. Don't drag them down with you. Don't make your problems their problems.

      Also maybe I'm hate-watching, but the latest trailer really made me think, "This looks bad." Some of the dialogue is incredibly wooden or clunky, and that "turd in the wind" line was just awful, I felt. It made me wince, finding it really cringey and awkward.

      Sorry, not usually this negative about something! And I'm glad you seem to like the trailers, just personally, not working for me.

      I can definitely understand that. I'm a bit of two minds on the movie. On one hand, the possibility of a Venom fighting Spider-Man in the MCU is awesome, on the other hand, Sony is trying to at least partially ride the MCU's coattails in order to gain a bigger audience.

      The ambiguous status of "Sony's Marvel Universe" will probably somewhat depend on whether the movie is any good or not. For now, the official statement given by Amy Pascal (and endorsed by Kevin Feige as the "perfect answer") is that the movie "is not a part of the MCU franchise" but is "set in the same reality".

      Basically, it's kind of like how the shows reference the movies but not vice-versa. The Sony-produced movies might contain references and even characters from the Marvel Studios-produced movies, but will otherwise stay seperate. Or at least, that's how I interpret it.

      The main reason why Sony's previous attempts at creating their own cinematic universe kept failing is because they kept making the same mistake, namely that they insisted on putting way too much stuff into their movies which only served the purpose of setting up future movies, which detracted from the movies themselves.

      I believe that the best way going forward would be to co-produce with Marvel to ensure both quality and continuity, rather than trying to barge into the MCU and hope that everything works out fine.

      In the end, I'm somewhat hopeful that the movie ends up being good and that Sony will negotiate some sort of deal after the third Spider-Man movie to work more closely with Marvel on these projects.

      BEJT wrote:
      Yeah, there's 3 mentions of "2 years" I believe. There's Jimmy Woo saying he was sentenced to 2 years, there's Scott saying he hasn't driven for 2 years (which isn't any sort of legal "2 years" it's just a general "2 years" so could easily be 21 months), and then there's Scott saying at the end something like "My 2 years is up already?" So 21 months works alright, I still don't think it's going to be the final solution, but it works for now, for all the evidence we currently have.

      Yeah, it'll ultimately depend on whether the later movies end up contradicting it in some way. As of right now, we're fine, which is good.

      BEJT wrote:
      Thanks. It's very very hard to make out, but I'll have a very close look at these two pages of HD screencaps: 1, 2. I assume these are what Marvelous was referring to

      It's honestly way too blurry for me to make any kind of confident statement on the matter. It might be "2018", but it could also be "2017", it's just too blurry to tell.

      BEJT wrote:
      Well Okoye could still have a major part to play 5 years down the line. But we'll see, I don't know if it's as simple as a 5-year jump, but I do think there's something going on involving the future.

      21 months does work nicely. I started doing more California legal research and saw some stuff suggesting there might not be good behaviour reduction options in house arrest, but it wasn't clear. I'll keep researching and keep thinking about the issue, because I'm sure there will be more contradictory evidence to come later on, but for now... for now, we're good. I've done a big edit of the 2018 page to correct the dates and rewrite the reference.

      The "12-06-2017" isn't super clear, but it is legible. If it were just the one date, I would agree that it could be ignored. However, it lines up perfectly with:

      Being soon after Rewind, which is November 25-26, 2017. Being "months" after they left in May 2017, as mentioned by Hale in Episode 12. Being soon after Thor: Ragnarok, with the Episode 11 reference suggesting the events were recent, and that film is in late 2017. Being only a little time before Christmas, which seems to be when Episode 13 - Principia is set.

      Agreed, there's no reason to ignore the date unless absolutely necessary. The current timeline works for now and may very well still work after Avengers 4 and Spider-Man: Far From Home are released. There's no need to correct a problem that doesn't exist yet and may very well not even end up existing at all.

      As for the house arrest reduction laws, we could perhaps assume that laws enforced by the Sokovia Accords allow for such reductions even if local state laws do not.

      BEJT wrote:
      I'd be interested in a prequel, definitely. I'd love to see more of the MCU history fleshed out. If they have the confidence to deage Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg for the whole of Captain Marvel, then maybe they would have the confidence to do it for Hank and Janet for a whole film in a few years' time - obviously they would be the main characters when Fury and Coulson are just supporting characters, but it could probably work in a few years. I don't think they will do it, but still, I'd be interested in seeing it.

      If they do a further sequel to Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp to complete the trilogy, I'd like to see it be called The Wasp. Because you can't really call it something like Ant-Man, the Wasp, and Stature" or something like that - you can't just keep listing characters. As well as this, I think Wasp is as deserving as Ant-Man to be the lead character, so in the way she was a secondary character in his film, he could be a secondary character in hers. And also, it would create a nice symmetry in the trilogy's titles that is quite unique, and Marvel haven't really followed the same pattern for sequel titles for any of their series so it would be another fun way of doing the title progression. But I'd love to see some parallels between the 1980s Ant-Man and Wasp and the 2010s Ant-Man and Wasp, I was hoping for a little more of that in Ant-Man and the Wasp because it would have been the perfect time, to kind of have two parallel pairs of Ant-Man and Wasp in different decades.

      It's an interesting idea. Although, as far as future titles go, I think they could just add a subtitle to it. Something like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Into the Microverse or something along those lines.

      However, since the next Wonder Woman movie is going to be about her fighting Soviets in the '80s, I'd imagine that Marvel would prefer to avoid making a superhero set around that same time period to avoid comparisons.

      BEJT wrote:
      Not necessarily, there could have been heroes back then. It would just make it difficult if you want to have them interact with the characters in the present day, but the '60s era could fit their character style really well. People talk about how The Incredibles would make a great Fantastic Four film, and The Incredibles is set in the 1960s, with a lot of '60s design and style.

      It could definitely work. The argument of "why haven't we heard of them before" could just as easily be made about Captain Marvel and even Black Panther, the former having been active in the '90s and the latter having opened up Wakanda to the rest of the world and yet having gone unmentioned in chronologically later movies and shows (until Infinity War).

      The easiest explanation is that the Fantastic Four could have operated as a covert group, perhaps under S.H.I.E.L.D.'s supervision. As for how they could interact with the characters inb the present day, the simplest way to have them have some kind of mishap that results in them getting displaced somehow and not reemerging until present day, thus explaining what happened to them.

      Also, slight correction, I'm pretty sure The Incredibles takes place in 1970. The opening occurs in 1955 and the rest of the movie occurs "15 Years Later", placing it in 1970.

      Deadpooled123 wrote:
      It would be too over-the-top because you would have to include history that has never been foreshadowed at the slightest of even indicated briefly. It makes sense to start first with turning down of the Avengers Tower in NYC before ANYTHING. With the last episode of C&D, l meant to edit the first message you quoted BEJT and say 'the last episode goes over 3 days' which would place Episode 9 starting on February 25 (which can accomodate that mobile error reporting 'October 5' of Billy's anniversary).

      Again, you could make the same argument regarding how Ant-Man, the Wasp and Captain Marvel have all never been mentioned despite having been active in the '80s and '90s respectively. It all depends on how such a hypothetical movie would handle their activities.

      As for the 3 days, Episode 10 starts the night before Mardi Gras, then the main events occur on the day of Mardi Gras, and then the epilogue occurs the following day. As such, Episode 9 probably occurs on February 27, with Episode 10 covering February 27, February 28 and March 1.

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    • This is a bit of a scrappy write-up, I'll edit it a bit soon and clean it up a little bit, but it will do for now. This will be the full list of Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 evidence and the reason that February 2017 is the best conclusion.


      Firstly, the four possible years in which the show could take place are 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018. This is because the present day events' evidence places it in 2016, 2017, or 2018, the flashbacks of the accident's evidence place it in 2007, 2008, or 2009, and the flashbacks and the present day events are exactly 8 years apart, as is clarified in Episode 8, where it is the 8-year anniversary. So, the only potential years are 2015-2018.

      Next, it is also established that the show takes place in February. It is the end of the school basketball season, which is February-March, and it is confirmed in Episode 10 when Mardi Gras occurs - in the four potential years, Mardi Gras was in February. It has to be assumed that the basketball season ended a couple of weeks early in the MCU, and the whole season only takes place over a short amount of time in late February.

      Since Episode 8 is the 8-year anniversary of the accident, this means that the accident was also in late February.

      First, I will lay out all of the contradictory evidence in the connected web, like I would if I were to calculate the best possible compromise, like with Phase One. This involves Billy and Tyrone's dates of birth, and the dates of the accident and the present day events - they are all linked together in a contradictory mess. Each piece of evidence will be individual, without the context yet that the accident and the present day events should be February.
      Usually I would do full and more complicated maths for how important each piece of evidence is, but I'm fairly sure the final answer will be reasonably standout and clear, so a simpler system will suffice. I will just score the evidence roughly out of 10. Again, usually I'd be a lot more specific and mathematical, but with Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 I think there should be no need to waste time and effort on a full/complicated system, so I'm just going to use this easier and quicker, if more crude, scoring system to get this done sooner. It should be enough to illustrate the direction that the evidence points to, and is better at weighting the evidence than merely counting each point equally - if not as good a weighting system as my more complicated one.

      • Billy's date of birth:
        • Episode 2: The milk carton in Adina's vision shows his date of birth as "2/13/02". This can just be discarded, since Billy is clearly in his late teens in 2007-2010, whenever the accident is. It must simply be a part of her vision, since Billy appears as a child - the date of birth is representative of a child, as are all the other statistics such as height and weight.
          • Irrelevant.
          • Score: 0/10.
        • Episode 4: Obituary says he was born "August 1, 1990".
          • August 1, 1990.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
      • Tyrone's date of birth:
        • Episode 2: Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either.
          • August 19, 2000.
          • Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. As well as this, there is the in-universe possibility that it is incorrect. Score: 2.5/10.
      • The date of the accident:
        • Episode 1: Nathan Bowen's work ID is valid from "30MAR08" to "29MAR10", which would mean the accident occurred between those dates.
          • March 30, 2008-March 29, 2010. Roughly March 29.5, 2009.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 1: Security footage shown to the Johnsons the next day shows clearly that Tyrone stealing the radio, earlier in the night, was "2007-04-18". So it's April 18, 2007, contradicting the ID, but very clearly shown. Should be undeniable.
          • April 18, 2007.
          • Very clearly shown, though some in-universe possibility of mistake if the camera is programmed wrong. Score: 8/10.
        • Episode 2: Adina's vision shows the "missing" dates of her children as being "6/6/08". This can be explained away by the fact it's just a vision - perhaps that's the date on which she was having the anxieties, rather than the date Billy died.
          • June 6, 2008.
          • Small and only just legible. As well as this, there is the in-universe possibility that it is not the actual date of Billy's death. Score: 3.5/10.
        • Episode 5: Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." This means it is no later than 2009, likely around 2008/2009.
          • Most likely late 2008-early 2009, definitely February 2007 (the earliest any evidence would place the accident)-early 2009. Roughly early 2009.
          • Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. Score: 4/10.
        • Episode 5: The oil rig schematics were revised on what seems to be "9/10/2008", suggesting the accident was after September 10, 2008.
          • September 11, 2008-February 2010 (the latest any evidence would place the accident). Roughly mid-2009.
          • Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. Score: 4/10.
      • Present day events (which are late February of whichever year):
        • Jeph Loeb's statement: He stated on Reddit that for the most part, shows released before Avengers 4 will still be set before Avengers: Infinity War. At SDCC, he added that this will be the case unless otherwise specified. Therefore, it is before Spring 2018, when Avengers: Infinity War takes place. Since February 2018 is the latest any evidence would suggest, then any of the possible dates work.
          • Irrelevant.
          • Score: 0/10.
        • Episode 8 + Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 + Emma Lahana's statement: Emma Lahana says this is O'Reilly's first case in New Orleans. We are told in Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 that O'Reilly moved to New Orleans, meaning her move is prior to August 2017, when that scene takes place. This means that Cloak & Dagger at the very latest is taking place concurrently with Luke Cage: Season 2 in late August 2017. The implication is that she left after The Defenders: Season 1, when Misty left the precinct for a year in May 2016 - though there is the possibility that Nandi is merely reminding Misty that O'Reilly moved a few months before Misty had left. There is also the slight possibility that Luke Cage: Season 2 actually takes place in August-September 2018 (there is some evidence for this, it's just overruled by the 2017 evidence), and also the possibility of slightly fudging Lahana's comment since it's not explicitly said in the show, so February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the show) isn't completely ruled out. But anything before December 2015 is. In Episode 8, O'Reilly refers to weird things that happened in New York concerning her friend Misty, so at the very least, Luke Cage: Season 1 has taken place, and that is November-December 2015.
          • Most likely May 2016-August 2017, definitely December 2015-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly late 2016-early 2017.
          • Direct dialogue, like an 8/10, statement outside of the actual episodes, like a 6/10. Usually you would take the lowest scoring because it's the weakest piece of evidence this is relying on, but there is an implication of it being an early case of hers anyway, so we should average instead. Score: 7/10.
        • Episode 1: Lush Life by Leo Islo plays in-universe. This song was put online on March 27, 2017.
          • March 27, 2017-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly September 2017.
          • Song, the producers could very easily have not thought about it. Score: 3.5/10.
        • Episode 1: Right Now by Vindata plays in-universe. This song was put online on February 22, 2017.
          • February 22, 2017-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly August 2017.
          • Song, the producers could very easily have not thought about it. Score: 3.5/10.
        • Episode 1: The taxi Tyrone pulls up has an "11 17" registration sticker. This would suggest it's between November 2016 and November 2017, if it's a 1-year sticker. It could be a 2-year sticker and February 2016.
          • Most likely November 2016-November 2017, definitely November 2015-November 2017.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 1: Tyrone and his friend's iPhones seem to be pretty current - like one of the more recent ones at the time of filming in early 2017. But I don't know if it's possible to be 2016 or even 2015 from the phones and iOS shown.
          • Unknown, but the later the better.
          • I'm not good on this, so I can't say it has a particularly strong influence unless I find out more. For now, score: 4/10.
        • Episode 4: A magazine says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017," suggesting it is currently 2017.
          • January 1, 2017-December 31, 2017. Roughly mid-2017.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: O'Reilly looks at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about 8 years ago", and the files on screen are from "02/18/2010", suggesting this is at least August 2017 (7.5 years on), up to February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the season).
          • August 2017-February 2018. Roughly February 2018.
          • Dialogue, but reliant on the prop date - Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: The news from "hours ago" is real life news stories from September 2017. This would suggest it is September 2017.
          • September 2017.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 6: The "STANMAN" license plate says "18". License plates have to be renewed every 2 years, so an 18 plate could expire at any point in 2018. This means no matter when in 2018 it expires, 2017 is completely safe. Only parts of 2016 and parts of 2018 will work.
          • 2016-2018, roughly mid-2017.
          • Small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5.5/10.
        • Episode 8: Tyrone's phone says "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017 (this is no coincidence, October 5, 2017 was pretty much exactly when they'd have been filming Episode 8, so it's almost certainly just the date and time of filming).
          • October 5, 2017.
          • Very clearly shown, though some in-universe possibility of mistake if the phone is programmed wrong, as well as no explicit and direct year given. Score: 7/10.
        • Episode 10: The Rands are referred to, suggesting Danny Rand is back in the world. This would work for anything after February 2016, when Danny returns.
          • February 2016-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the show). Roughly February 2017.
          • Direct dialogue, though has a little leniency if you assume he is referring to Rand Enterprises rather than the Rand family. But he does specifically say "Rands". Score: 8/10.
        • Episode 10: Mardi Gras is shown, cementing the February placement. It has been a little while, at least several days, since the basketball state final. The basketball state finals in Louisiana are traditionally held in early March, but Mardi Gras in 2015 was February 17th, in 2016 was February 9th, in 2017 was February 28th, and in 2018 was February 13th. While none of these work perfectly, the later that Mardi Gras is, the better - with the state finals only having to be moved back in the timeline a week or two, as opposed to a month or even more. And 2017 stands out as by far the closest.
          • February 2017.
          • Hard one to score because it's not a direct piece of evidence, but I'd say it's reasonably strong. Score: 6.5/10.
      • Billy's date of birth → The accident
        • Episode 4: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
          • 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
          • Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
          • 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
          • Small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5.5/10.
      • Tyrone's date of birth → The accident
        • Episode 4: Tyrone says he was "8".
          • 8.0-8.99 years. Roughly 8.5 years.
          • Direct dialogue. Score: 9/10.
      • Tyrone's date of birth → Present day events
        • Episode 2: It is said that Tyrone has known Father Delgado for 3 years, and bringing in a little context of it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago.
          • 16.4-17.4 years. Roughly 16.9 years.
          • Slightly unclear dialogue. Score: 7.5/10.
      • The accident → Present day events
        • Episodes 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10: All these episodes say it's been "8 years". I would list all the times if I were about to do a big maths thing with the contradictory evidence, but the most important thing is Episode 8, where it is clearly established that it is the 8-year anniversary. Therefore it is exactly and firmly 8.0 years.
          • 8.0 years.
          • No denying or bending it.


      I don't see a point in doing the calculations like with Phase One, considering the anniversary piece of information. Usually, I would calculate everything - the evidence for the placement of the dates of birth, the accident, and the present day events, and then the gaps between them, to find the best possible solution to best fit all the evidence. But the 8 years isn't flexible, it's absolute and exact. So we're not weighing up the accident and the present day events as individual pieces, but as joined. We are weighing up:

      • The total evidence for Feb 2007 + the total evidence for Feb 2015
      • The total evidence for Feb 2008 + the total evidence for Feb 2016
      • The total evidence for Feb 2009 + the total evidence for Feb 2017
      • The total evidence for Feb 2010 + the total evidence for Feb 2018

      And seeing which pair comes out as the strongest. So I'll lay it out now differently:

      • The date of the accident:
        • Episode 1: Nathan Bowen's work ID is valid from "30MAR08" to "29MAR10". The two Februarys in these gaps are 2009 and 2010.
          • February 2009. Score: 5/10.
          • February 2010. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 1: "2007-04-18". This does not work with any February. It is closest to February 2007. However, in-universe, it is more likely to be February 2008, because the date on the camera being wrong is more likely to give a date in the past than the future. 50:50 split.
          • February 2007. Original score: 8/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 4/10. 4/10 split 50:50 between 2007 and 2008. Score: 2/10.
          • February 2008. Same reasoning. Score: 2/10.
        • Episode 2: Adina's vision shows the "missing" dates of her children as being "6/6/08". The closest February is 2008, and this would make sense, for her to still be very anxious about a second child dying 4 months later, and the 6/6/08 actually being the date of her anxiety rather than the date of Billy's death.
          • February 2008. Original score: 3.5/10, but definitely not the actual date since it doesn't fit as being February, so 1.75/10. Score: 1.75/10.
        • Episode 2 + Episode 4: In Episode 2, Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either. In Episode 4, Tyrone says he was "8". If his birthday is indeed August 19, 2000, then the February where he's 8 would be February 2009.
          • February 2009. Original scores: 2.5 and 9/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information. Score: 2.5/10.
        • Episode 4 + Episode 5: In Episode 4, Obituary says Billy was born "August 1, 1990" and that he died aged "17". The "17" part is reaffirmed in Episode 5. The February where Billy would have been 17 was February 2008.
          • February 2008. Original scores: 5, 5, and 5.5/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." This definitely works as February 2009 and possibly works as February 2008.
          • February 2008. Original score: 4/10. Works about 25% with February 2008, so 25% score. Score: 1/10.
          • February 2009. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2009, so full score. Score: 4/10.
        • Episode 5: The oil rig schematics were revised on what seems to be "9/10/2008", suggesting the accident was after September 10, 2008. This definitely works as February 2009 or February 2010.
          • February 2009. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2009, so full score. Score: 4/10.
          • February 2010. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2010, so full score. Score: 4/10.
      • The date of the present day events:
        • Jeph Loeb's statement irrelevant.
        • Episode 8 + Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 + Emma Lahana's statement: Emma Lahana says this is O'Reilly's first case in New Orleans. We are told in Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 that O'Reilly moved to New Orleans, likely after The Defenders: Season 1. Should be between May 2016 and August 2017, where the only February is 2017. Fully works with 2017. Could just about work with 2016 if we assume Nandi is just reminding her that O'Reilly left a few months prior to her leaving. Has a small chance of working in 2018 if Luke Cage: Season 2 is later than most evidence suggested or if Lahana's comment is fudged a little.
          • February 2016. Original score: 7/10. Works about 33.3% with February 2016, so 33.3% score. Score: 2.33/10.
          • February 2017. Original score: 7/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 7/10.
          • February 2018. Original score: 7/10. Works about 16.7% with February 2018, so 16.7% score. Score: 1.17/10.
        • Episode 1: Lush Life by Leo Islo plays in-universe. This song was put online on March 27, 2017, so the only possible February is 2018.
          • February 2018. Original score: 3.5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 3.5/10.
        • Episode 1: Right Now by Vindata plays in-universe. This song was put online on February 22, 2017. Sadly, this is just a few days too late to fit with February 2017, since this is in Episode 1 and Episode 10 would be February 28, 2017, and the season spans more than 6 days.
          • February 2018. Original score: 3.5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 3.5/10.
        • Episode 1: The taxi Tyrone pulls up has an "11 17" registration sticker. This would suggest it's February 2017, if it's a 1-year sticker. It could be a 2-year sticker and February 2016.
          • February 2016. Original score: 5/10. Works about 75% with February 2016, so 75% score. Score: 3.75/10.
          • February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 1: Tyrone and his friend's iPhones seem to be pretty current - like one of the more recent ones at the time of filming in early 2017. But I don't know if it's possible to be 2016 or even 2015 from the phones and iOS shown.
          • February 2015. Original score: 4/10. I'm about 50% sure it works with February 2015, so for now at least, 50% score. Score: 2/10.
          • February 2016. Original score: 4/10. I'm about 75% sure it works with February 2016, so for now at least, 75% score. Score: 3/10.
          • February 2017. Original score: 4/10. I'm pretty sure, since they had filmed most of the season by September 2017 when the next batch of iPhones came out, that it works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 4/10.
          • February 2018. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 4/10.
        • Episode 2: It is said that Tyrone has known Father Delgado for 3 years, and bringing in a little context of it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago. Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either. Assuming his date of birth is indeed August 19, 2000, the February in which he's a junior would be February 2017.
          • February 2017. Original scores: 2.5 and 7.5/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information. Score: 2.5/10.
        • Episode 4: A magazine says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017," suggesting it is currently February 2017.
          • February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: O'Reilly looks at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about 8 years ago", and the files on screen are from "02/18/2010", suggesting this is February 2018.
          • February 2018. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 5/10.
        • Episode 5: The news from "hours ago" is real life news stories from September 2017. This does not work for any February, though if it has to suggest one it would be February 2018, because not only is it closer to February 2018, but at least in February 2018 those stories have happened and there could just be something wrong with the timings on the articles.
          • February 2018. Original score: 5/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 2.5/10. Works about 25% with February 2018, so 25% score. Score: 0.63/10.
        • Episode 6: The "STANMAN" license plate says "18". License plates have to be renewed every 2 years, so an 18 plate could expire at any point in 2018. If the expiry date is January or February 2018, then February 2016 works, so it has about a 2 in 12, 16.7% chance of working for 2016. No matter the expiry date, it will work for 2017. If the expiry date is in March-December 2018, then February 2018 works, so it has about a 10 in 12, 83.3% chance of working for 2018.
          • February 2016. Original score: 5.5/10. Works about 16.7% with February 2016, so 16.7% score. Score: 0.92/10.
          • February 2017. Original score: 5.5/10. Works fully with February 2017, so full score. Score: 5.5/10.
          • February 2018. Original score: 5.5/10. Works about 83.3% with February 2018, so 83.3% score. Score: 4.58/10.
        • Episode 8: Tyrone's phone says "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017, and the day of filming. This does not work for any February, though if it has to suggest one it would be February 2018, because not only is it closer to February 2018, but it is more likely if the phone has the wrong date that it would be a past date, not a future one.
          • February 2018. Original score: 7/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 3.5/10. Works about 25% with February 2018, so 25% score. Score: 0.88/10.
        • Episode 10: The Rands are referred to, suggesting Danny Rand is back in the world. This would work for anything after February 2016, when Danny returns. However, February 2016 does not actually fit, because Mardi Gras occurred early in 2016, before mid-February when Danny revealed himself to still be alive.
          • February 2017. Original score: 8/10. Works fully with February 2017, so full score. Score: 8/10.
          • February 2018. Original score: 8/10. Works fully with February 2018, so full score. Score: 8/10.
        • Episode 10: Mardi Gras is shown, and 2017 is the only year where it is late enough to really work with the basketball season - February 28th.
          • February 2017. Original score: 6.5/10. Works about 75% with February 2018, so 75% score. Score: 4.88/10.

      So:

      • 2007 = 2.
      • 2015 = 2.
        • 2007 and 2015 = 2 + 2 = 4.
      • 2008 = 2 + 1.75 + 5 + 1 = 9.75.
      • 2016 = 2.33 + 3.75 + 3 + 0.92 = 10.
        • 2008 and 2016 = 9.75 + 10 = 19.75.
      • 2009 = 5 + 2.5 + 4 + 4 = 15.5.
      • 2017 = 7 + 5 + 4 + 2.5 + 5 + 5.5 + 8 + 4.88 = 41.88.
        • 2009 and 2017 = 15.5 + 41.88 = 57.38.
      • 2010 = 5 + 4 = 9.
      • 2018 = 1.17 + 3.5 + 3.5 + 4 + 5 + 0.63 + 4.58 + 0.88 + 8 = 31.26.
        • 2010 and 2018 = 9 + 31.26 = 40.26.

      2009 and 2017 comes out as the clear strongest option, so yeah, the more complicated system wasn't necessary. At some point down the line I'll do it in full with the complex maths, but for now, this clearly shows the best result.

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    • After years of working together, you still amaze me. You are a friking genious!

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    • That is genuinely amazing. I'm shocked. I definitely have a lot to learn if I want to help with the timeline.

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    • In a deleted scene for Infinity War, Stark and Potts talk about their wedding, the possible date they are planning is August 27th.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote: In a deleted scene for Infinity War, Stark and Potts talk about their wedding, the possible date they are planning is August 27th.

      Could we use the average of couples chosing dates for their wedding in order to see where Infinity War can fit?

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    • BEJT wrote:

      Thanks. Now that the season is over and we can finally draw the conclusion that it is February 2017, I'll have a crack in the next few days at rewatching the show and sketching out the exact dates. Basically, it will be working back from Mardi Gras on February 28th, and trying to minimise the time that passes so that the basketball finals are as close to real life as possible. I'll probably also try and make them the same day of the week as the real world, so they'll just be exactly 2 weeks (or something like that) earlier than the real world.
      I agree. At a glance, it looks like in the least, season one could take place over the course of 12-14 days minimum from around February 17 to March 1, 2017 but definitely probably end up a few days more in March.

      BEJT wrote:

      Thanks. It's very very hard to make out, but I'll have a very close look at these two pages of HD screencaps: 1, 2. I assume these are what Marvelous was referring to.
      Nice! Indeed. It's one of those screencaps you stare at for awhile... It's too blurry to make out, that white text in the upper right corner of the monitor.
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    • Hey guys, I have some more suggestions.

      The good thing about moving Infinity War a few months later to accomodate Scott's house arrest, is that it means that the sunrise can be earlier and the sunset can be later. But one of my suggestions would be to ignore the sunrise and sunset times, as it has been shown to not necessarily be true to real life. 

      For example, at the beginning of The Winter Soldier, Steve receives a message at 6:39 AM and the sun is already up, which isn't accurate with real life sunrise times of Washington DC in January. I don't think the filmmakers really think about the daylight time accuracy to the time of year in regards to the movies, and I think the same thing could apply here.

      However, if Infinity War takes place after Daylight Saving Time, then that changes things from BEJT's post here https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:224967#250, as New York is now 6 hours ahead of Tahiti, instead of just 5. Wakanda and Tahiti are still 12 hours apart though.

      In light of this, I think it might be better to ignore the 10:24 time from Fury's car. Unlike the 1:21-1:42 time from Tony's phone (which is in focus and in plain sight), 10:24 isn't in the main focus and is easy to miss. That alone wouldn't be enough to disregard it, but considering the issues it causes, I don't think it should be a big deal if it's ignored.

      I think the 0:24 makes sense to be kept, but the hour doesn't really matter as long as it's after sunrise and before sunset. I guess the snap could be at around 6:24 AM in Tahiti, 9:24 AM in San Francisco, 12:24 PM in New York and 6:24 PM in Wakanda. Ignoring the 10:24 time adds two more hours of leeway.

      I did some rough math, using BEJT's breakdown of the last couple of episodes of AoS season 5, and I figured that if the timing is kept more or less the same as BEJT posted, it actually leaves a lot more time for those episodes to reasonably reach their conclusion before the Snap.

      I can post my rough breakdown here, if anyone is interested.

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    • Fantastic Four/The Incredibles (Deadpooled123, The Wikia Editor)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: It would be too over-the-top because you would have to include history that has never been foreshadowed at the slightest of even indicated briefly. It makes sense to start first with turning down of the Avengers Tower in NYC before ANYTHING.

      Yeah, it would be good to have them in the present day. If it were outside of the MCU though and it were still just Fox making Fantastic Four films, I would say that a standalone film set in the 1960s could really work.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: It could definitely work. The argument of "why haven't we heard of them before" could just as easily be made about Captain Marvel and even Black Panther, the former having been active in the '90s and the latter having opened up Wakanda to the rest of the world and yet having gone unmentioned in chronologically later movies and shows (until Infinity War).

      The easiest explanation is that the Fantastic Four could have operated as a covert group, perhaps under S.H.I.E.L.D.'s supervision. As for how they could interact with the characters inb the present day, the simplest way to have them have some kind of mishap that results in them getting displaced somehow and not reemerging until present day, thus explaining what happened to them.

      Also, slight correction, I'm pretty sure The Incredibles takes place in 1970. The opening occurs in 1955 and the rest of the movie occurs "15 Years Later", placing it in 1970.

      That was my thoughts, that like the 1980s Ant-Man and Wasp, they just worked for S.H.I.E.L.D..

      As for The Incredibles, it's kind of contradictory, but I'm fairly sure it's the 1960s. I'm not aware of anything placing the prologue in 1955. However, early in the first film, a newspaper says "May 16th, 1962". The second half of the film is said to be "2 months" after the beginning, taking it to July 1962, and then the ending is "3 months later", which would take it to October 1962.

      However, in Incredibles 2, they watch Jonny Quest (which aired 1964-1965) and The Outer Limits (which aired 1963-1965), which would suggest it's later in the decade.

      But also, I always had doubts about the 1962 date, because it would make the prologue 1947. It really doesn't seem like it, and also, there is shown to be a colour film/documentary thing where they're interviewing the heroes, and in 1947, only 12% of American films were colour. By 1954, it was over 50%, suggesting the prologue is closer to the 1950s.

      Brad Bird I think also mentioned that he wasn't aware of the 1962 date in the first film, that it was just something the animators put in - he'd just generally meant for it to have a 1960s tone.

      But then, when watching Incredibles 2, I noticed an "October" newspaper (it was October 20something-th, didn't have a year). If the May 1962 paper were correct, then it would indeed be October, so that would somewhat back up the May 1962 newspaper.

      So I don't know, and it doesn't particularly matter to me - but I feel like the films are somewhere between 1962 and 1969.


      Cloak & Dagger (Deadpooled123, The Wikia Editor, Marvelous 345678, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: With the last episode of C&D, l meant to edit the first message you quoted BEJT and say 'the last episode goes over 3 days' which would place Episode 9 starting on February 25 (which can accomodate that mobile error reporting 'October 5' of Billy's anniversary). 

      Right thanks. As The Wikia Editor points out, it would be February 27th-March 1st.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Again, you could make the same argument regarding how Ant-Man, the Wasp and Captain Marvel have all never been mentioned despite having been active in the '80s and '90s respectively. It all depends on how such a hypothetical movie would handle their activities.

      As for the 3 days, Episode 10 starts the night before Mardi Gras, then the main events occur on the day of Mardi Gras, and then the epilogue occurs the following day. As such, Episode 9 probably occurs on February 27, with Episode 10 covering February 27, February 28 and March 1.

      Yeah, thanks. I'll rewatch the season to find the exact dates, now we have a point of reference.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: After years of working together, you still amaze me. You are a friking genious!

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: That is genuinely amazing. I'm shocked. I definitely have a lot to learn if I want to help with the timeline.

      Thanks guys. I'm not particularly proud of it because I'm a massive perfectionist and I kinda cheated on this one to get it done faster. It's not as accurate as my usual system but it wasn't necessary to do the whole long system, with this getting the point across and giving us the clear answer.

      Edward Zachary Sunrose, if I could ask a favour, would it be alright if you edit your post to remove the quote part? Just because I'm still tidying it up a bit and had already tidied it a bit by the time you posted your reply, so the quote doesn't match the actual post and contains the slightly more messy iteration.

      And don't worry. The timeline's not always this complicated, Cloak & Dagger is just particularly messy. I do a lot more maths than most users, most of the timeline is just catching evidence and checking it works out.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: I agree. At a glance, it looks like in the least, season one could take place over the course of 12-14 days minimum from around February 17 to March 1, 2017 but definitely probably end up a few days more in March.

      Sounds about right to me. Like I said, I'll rewatch.


      Venom (The Wikia Editor)

      The Wikia Editor wrote: I can definitely understand that. I'm a bit of two minds on the movie. On one hand, the possibility of a Venom fighting Spider-Man in the MCU is awesome, on the other hand, Sony is trying to at least partially ride the MCU's coattails in order to gain a bigger audience.

      The ambiguous status of "Sony's Marvel Universe" will probably somewhat depend on whether the movie is any good or not. For now, the official statement given by Amy Pascal (and endorsed by Kevin Feige as the "perfect answer") is that the movie "is not a part of the MCU franchise" but is "set in the same reality".

      Basically, it's kind of like how the shows reference the movies but not vice-versa. The Sony-produced movies might contain references and even characters from the Marvel Studios-produced movies, but will otherwise stay seperate. Or at least, that's how I interpret it.

      The main reason why Sony's previous attempts at creating their own cinematic universe kept failing is because they kept making the same mistake, namely that they insisted on putting way too much stuff into their movies which only served the purpose of setting up future movies, which detracted from the movies themselves.

      I believe that the best way going forward would be to co-produce with Marvel to ensure both quality and continuity, rather than trying to barge into the MCU and hope that everything works out fine.

      In the end, I'm somewhat hopeful that the movie ends up being good and that Sony will negotiate some sort of deal after the third Spider-Man movie to work more closely with Marvel on these projects.

      Yeah but see I wouldn't want it to be like the TV shows. I saw people saying "It'll just be like the TV shows, they're part of it but it's only connected in a one-way direction," but it just makes me think, "Yeah... but the TV shows are nonetheless Marvel Cinematic Universe canon." Like, something's either canon or its not. And honestly, I just hope it's not. I'd love to see Venom, but I would want it to be Marvel behind it.


      Principia (The Wikia Editor)

      The Wikia Editor wrote: It's honestly way too blurry for me to make any kind of confident statement on the matter. It might be "2018", but it could also be "2017", it's just too blurry to tell.

      Mrmichaelt wrote: Nice! Indeed. It's one of those screencaps you stare at for awhile... It's too blurry to make out, that white text in the upper right corner of the monitor.

      Yeah it's really hard to make out. I had a go looking at them and couldn't distinguish anything, but I'll have another close look and see if there's any way to distinguish if it looks more like a 7 or an 8.


      Ant-Man and the Wasp Sequel (The Wikia Editor)

      The Wikia Editor wrote: It's an interesting idea. Although, as far as future titles go, I think they could just add a subtitle to it. Something like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Into the Microverse or something along those lines.

      However, since the next Wonder Woman movie is going to be about her fighting Soviets in the '80s, I'd imagine that Marvel would prefer to avoid making a superhero set around that same time period to avoid comparisons.

      That could work, although I feel like adding a subtitle is making the title quite long, and also it could be a little confusing - whether it should be called Ant-Man 3 or Ant-Man and the Wasp 2. I just really like the idea of a symmetry in the trilogy titles.

      Yeah they might want to avoid an '80s setting. I wasn't particularly suggesting that, it was more of a separate point in response to Steve993's message - that I would indeed be interested in a prequel. But yeah, it might be a bit too soon for a somewhat similar premise in the 1980s. Depends how much of Wonder Woman 1984 will be about Soviets.

      Interesting thing I noticed about Wonder Woman 1984...

      Obviously, there are a lot of parallels already between Steve Rogers and Steve Trevor. They're both blonde American soldiers called Steve. They're both played by a Chris. They're both fighting in a World War. They're both in a superhero film set in the modern day, with modern day bookends, but with 99% of it set as flashbacks to a World War, and where the main character is a hero with a shield who helps the Americans in the war. They both seemingly die in an act of self-sacrifice in a plane towards the end.

      And now we know that in some way he is coming back in 1984, and it adds yet another similarity. Steve Rogers was gone for 66 years, from 1945 to 2011. And, in whatever manner Steve Trevor returns, it will have been 1984 - 1918 =... 66 years.


      Avengers: Infinity War Deleted Scene (Marvelous 345678)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: In a deleted scene for Infinity War, Stark and Potts talk about their wedding, the possible date they are planning is August 27th.

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Could we use the average of couples chosing dates for their wedding in order to see where Infinity War can fit?

      It's a hard thing to research, because most of the available statistics are about the length of an engagement, not the time between choosing the date and the actual date.

      "More than 50 percent of the more than 500 couples I’ve work for have planned and executed their weddings in less than nine months." This might suggest about 8-9 months on average.

      This would imply about a year, although it's more of a suggestion than data about averages.

      This would also imply about a year, but again, more of a suggestion.

      But it's something that really varies depending on the couple, and they're trying to keep it low key (the August 27th is the "decoy" date for the paparazzi), plus Happy is hurrying them along, so it's likely it would only be a few months for them. March works pretty well with this, with 5 months to go, but June wouldn't. June's too close.

      Obviously it's just a deleted scene and doesn't matter too much, and it's a very flexible piece of evidence - but still, it helps a little bit.


      Avengers: Infinity War Timings (64SuperNintendo)

      64SuperNintendo wrote: Hey guys, I have some more suggestions.


      The good thing about moving Infinity War a few months later to accomodate Scott's house arrest, is that it means that the sunrise can be earlier and the sunset can be later. But one of my suggestions would be to ignore the sunrise and sunset times, as it has been shown to not necessarily be true to real life. 

      For example, at the beginning of The Winter Soldier, Steve receives a message at 6:39 AM and the sun is already up, which isn't accurate with real life sunrise times of Washington DC in January. I don't think the filmmakers really think about the daylight time accuracy to the time of year in regards to the movies, and I think the same thing could apply here. As long as the daytime events are after the earliest possible sunrise and before the latest possible sunset, I think it's fine.

      However, if Infinity War takes place after Daylight Saving Time, then that changes things from BEJT's post here https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:224967#250, as New York is now 6 hours ahead of Tahiti, instead of just 5. Wakanda and Tahiti are still 12 hours apart though.

      In light of this, I think it might be better to ignore the 10:24 time from Fury's car. Unlike the 1:21-1:42 time from Tony's phone (which is in focus and in plain sight), 10:24 isn't in the main focus and is easy to miss. That alone wouldn't be enough to disregard it, but considering the issues it causes, I don't think it should be a big deal if it's ignored.

      I think the 0:24 makes sense to be kept, but the hour doesn't really matter as long as it's after the earliest possible sunrise and before the earliest possible sunset. I guess the snap could be at around 6:24 AM in Tahiti, 9:24 AM in San Francisco, 12:24 PM in New York and 6:24 PM in Wakanda. Ignoring the 10:24 time adds two more hours of leeway.

      I did some rough math, using BEJT's breakdown of the last couple of episodes of AoS season 5, and I figured that if the timing is kept more or less the same as BEJT posted, it actually leaves a lot more time for those episodes to reasonably reach their conclusion before the Snap.

      I can post my rough breakdown here, if anyone is interested.

      I wouldn't say that sunrise/sunset times need to be ignored. If they can work, that's great - and they should be able to work. I just think that, like you say, sometimes they don't work out, and when that happens that shouldn't be the end of the world.

      I hadn't got to adjusting for the new sunrise/sunset times, it's a shame that Tahiti no longer works. You're absolutely right, thanks for warning me. I had assumed it would be fine - I was thinking, "It should actually be easier, because the sunrise would be earlier in March than January, allowing more time in the morning before the snap." I didn't consider about the U.S. having daylight savings and Tahiti not, and Tahiti's days getting shorter heading into March because it's in the Southern Hemisphere. You're right, and I think 12:24 is indeed the answer. My in-universe explanation for it being 11:24 rather than 10:24 was that perhaps they were recently a bit further west and hadn't yet corrected the time. We can still kind of take that - Fury does a lot of travelling across the U.S., perhaps it was at some point recently in a time zone further west, and he just hasn't bothered to correct it yet.

      Sure, I'd be interested in your rough breakdown. I'm in the midst of updating and refining the exact timings of the scenes but haven't quite got to that point yet, so if you want to demonstrate how it gives things a little bit more time to play out, for example, that would be good to see ahead of time.

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    • I'm going to finally remove the dates taken from the fan-made files. To remind you guys what I resesarched last year:

      There's a set of S.H.I.E.L.D. files that have been used as a source in a few articles on the wiki. But I have a lot of evidence to suggest they are fake. It's the images I've placed underneath.

      S.H.I.E.L.D. personell files
      S.H.I.E.L.D. Coulson
      1. Every single date of birth is the actor's actual birthday. Romanoff and Barton are exactly the same date as Johansson and Renner respectively, Coulson and Fury are exactly 3 years after Gregg and Jackson's respective dates of birth, and Hill is exactly 2 years earlier than Smulders.
      2. Coulson's date of birth is firmly set on July 8, 1964, with his badge in Marvel's The Avengers and Pilot, his obituary from Hot Potato Soup, as well as a behind the scenes image from Iron Man. So the date of birth is actually wrong.
      3. This suggests that Coulson's parents died exactly 5 years apart to the day. Another massive coincidence.
      4. The official files for Barton, the Tesseract, and Item 47 from the Phase One box set all have the Marvel copyright at the bottom. If you look at all memorabilia, there is a Marvel copyright. These do not have it.
      5. The images used are taken directly from the films/one-shots. Now sure, Marvel has used direct footage as in-universe footage before, but still, it's not correct.
      6. "Last known address: S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier", and "Previous address: Mobile" are informal and not like what would be in an official file.
      7. An exact second of death for Coulson isn't realistic or what Marvel would do when making realistic files.
      8. These files appear nowhere else. The only images we have are in this array. They're not from the Phase One box set. There is no source out there.
      9. In Pilot, it is clearly shown on Maria Hill's badge that her date of birth is 1982APR04, yet this file decided she has Cobie Smulders' birthday, on April 3, 1980.
      10. The Marvel Database lists Coulson's birthday, using the source of Pilot, and gives no other source. It lists Hill's birthday, using the source of Pilot, and gives no other source. It lists Romanoff's birthday as simply "1984", based purely on the source of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and gives not other source. It has no date of birth listed for Fury or Barton. They've recognised that these are fake.
      11. In One of Us, Coulson says he was "9" when his father died. This places the death somewhere between July 1973 and July 1974, yet this claims his father died in 1987.

      So, Hawkeye and Fury's dates of birth should be removed from their articles. Natasha's date of birth should just be reduced to "1984" (which we're told in Captain America: The Winter Soldier).

      I'll link this post in my edits for anyone who doesn't understand.

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    • If that's the case, which I agree, then should we mark those images for deletion? As well as remove them from all their respective articles?

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    • BEJT wrote:
      I wouldn't say that sunrise/sunset times need to be ignored. If they can work, that's great - and they should be able to work. I just think that, like you say, sometimes they don't work out, and when that happens that shouldn't be the end of the world.

      I hadn't got to adjusting for the new sunrise/sunset times, it's a shame that Tahiti no longer works. You're absolutely right, thanks for warning me. I had assumed it would be fine - I was thinking, "It should actually be easier, because the sunrise would be earlier in March than January, allowing more time in the morning before the snap." I didn't consider about the U.S. having daylight savings and Tahiti not, and Tahiti's days getting shorter heading into March because it's in the Southern Hemisphere. You're right, and I think 12:24 is indeed the answer. My in-universe explanation for it being 11:24 rather than 10:24 was that perhaps they were recently a bit further west and hadn't yet corrected the time. We can still kind of take that - Fury does a lot of travelling across the U.S., perhaps it was at some point recently in a time zone further west, and he just hasn't bothered to correct it yet.

      Sure, I'd be interested in your rough breakdown. I'm in the midst of updating and refining the exact timings of the scenes but haven't quite got to that point yet, so if you want to demonstrate how it gives things a little bit more time to play out, for example, that would be good to see ahead of time.

      Well, in this interview [[1]], Clark Gregg says that he thinks the season ends in the moments leading up to, or during, the battle of Wakanda. While it may or may not be accurate, it fits with my conclusion.

      I went with the earliest possible sunrise and latest possible sunset of the year, so Tahiti at 05:13 (using Papeete), Wakanda at roughly 18:30 to 18:40 or so.

      If you want to keep the daylight realistic for Tahiti, then let's say it's at least 10 minutes after sunrise by the time Coulson steps out of the Quinjet.


      Going with the earliest possible sunrise of the year, the final scene of AoS 5x22 is at 05:16-05:25 Tahiti/17:16-17:25 Wakanda (a few minutes before the Avengers arrive in Wakanda). In this case, going by Eastern Standard Time (using your post):

      07:16-07:21: Events at Talbot's house.

      07:34: Robin tells Talbot that the gravitonium is in Chicago.

      07:45: Talbot arrives in Chicago.

      07:46: The team finds out that Talbot is in Chicago.

      08:06: The team arrives in Chicago.

      08:25: Ending of Chicago events.

      11:16-11:25: Tahiti.

      11:30: Arrival at Wakanda.

      12:24: The snap.


      Going with the sunrise of March 29, then 06:06-06:15 Tahiti/18:06-18:15 Wakanda.

      08:06-08:11: Events at Talbot's house.

      08:24: Robin tells Talbot that the gravitonium is in Chicago.

      08:35: Talbot arrives in Chicago.

      08:36: The team finds out that Talbot is in Chicago.

      08:56: The team arrives in Chicago.

      09:15: Ending of Chicago events.

      11:30: Arrival at Wakanda.

      12:06-12:15: Tahiti (this is during the battles in Wakanda and Titan, so it's up to you how to place these events in relation).

      12:24: The snap.


      I'd personally go with the first option (earliest possible sunrise) as Talbot's son would presumably have school that day if it is Thursday, meaning it would be earlier in the morning.

      However, the closer Infinity War gets to June, the more likely it is that this won't work, as the time difference between Tahiti's sunrise and Wakanda's sunset would then be at 11:30 hours, which is why I suggested ignoring the accurate daylight times as a possible alternative if things become problematic. No need to do that as of yet though.

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    • Fake S.H.I.E.L.D. Files

      WinterWolverine wrote: If that's the case, which I agree, then should we mark those images for deletion? As well as remove them from all their respective articles?

      I would, but the more urgent thing for me was getting rid of those dates which I so often see being referenced. I'll let this first change settle before I get involved in completely eradicating them, don't want a drastic change all at once. And completely eradicating them also isn't top priority for me.


      Avengers: Infinity War Timings (64SuperNintendo)

      64SuperNintendo wrote: Well, in this interview [[1]], Clark Gregg says that he thinks the season ends in the moments leading up to, or during, the battle of Wakanda. While it may or may not be accurate, it fits with my conclusion.

      I went with the earliest possible sunrise and latest possible sunset of the year, so Tahiti at 05:13 (using Papeete), Wakanda at roughly 18:30 to 18:40 or so.

      If you want to keep the daylight realistic for Tahiti, then let's say it's at least 10 minutes after sunrise by the time Coulson steps out of the Quinjet.


      Going with the earliest possible sunrise of the year, the final scene of AoS 5x22 is at 05:16-05:25 Tahiti/17:16-17:25 Wakanda (a few minutes before the Avengers arrive in Wakanda). In this case, going by Eastern Standard Time (using your post):

      07:16-07:21: Events at Talbot's house.

      07:34: Robin tells Talbot that the gravitonium is in Chicago.

      07:45: Talbot arrives in Chicago.

      07:46: The team finds out that Talbot is in Chicago.

      08:06: The team arrives in Chicago.

      08:25: Ending of Chicago events.

      11:16-11:25: Tahiti.

      11:30: Arrival at Wakanda.

      12:24: The snap.


      Going with the sunrise of March 29, then 06:06-06:15 Tahiti/18:06-18:15 Wakanda.

      08:06-08:11: Events at Talbot's house.

      08:24: Robin tells Talbot that the gravitonium is in Chicago.

      08:35: Talbot arrives in Chicago.

      08:36: The team finds out that Talbot is in Chicago.

      08:56: The team arrives in Chicago.

      09:15: Ending of Chicago events.

      11:30: Arrival at Wakanda.

      12:06-12:15: Tahiti (this is during the battles in Wakanda and Titan, so it's up to you how to place these events in relation).

      12:24: The snap.


      I'd personally go with the first option (earliest possible sunrise) as Talbot's son would presumably have school that day if it is Thursday, meaning it would be earlier in the morning.

      However, the closer Infinity War gets to June, the more likely it is that this won't work, as the time difference between Tahiti's sunrise and Wakanda's sunset would then be at 11:30 hours, which is why I suggested ignoring the accurate daylight times as a possible alternative if things become problematic. No need to do that as of yet though.

      I was actually just finishing this message when you posted your reply. But it's still relevant, just yeah, it was written before you posed so that's why it says things like "we have to consider Wakanda":

      I had a further look at the timings for the snap and how it fits now, and we have to also consider Wakanda. Now, in Civil War, the map shown in the news would place Wakanda around Lake Turkana, Kenya. However, in Black Panther, when Killmonger enters the Ancestral Plane and looks at his father's notes, N'Jobu has written that it is at "2°39'30.19" S 29°0'29.36" E". This would place it around the border between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda - the nearest city being Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. It's significantly further south-west than the Civil War location.

      It's more likely to be the N'Jobu location, because the location given in the news is at a time when Wakanda was a lot more secretive and hidden, so it's possible they didn't actually know where it was or they gave a false location. N'Jobu is more likely to be correct, especially with his very specific coordinates.

      Now, looking at Tahiti sunrise times, sunrise on March 29th was 06:03, which is 16:03 UTC. Looking at Bukavu sunset times, sunset on March 29th was 18:12, which is 16:12 UTC. So basically, the snap would have to occur somewhere between 16:03 and 16:12 UTC.

      So, with Infinity War 2:12:20-2:14:17 showing the aftermath of the snap, then 2:14:17-2:16:04 showing simultaneous events on Titan, and 2:16:04-2:16:39 showing the events in Wakanda after the previous scene minimum 30 seconds after the last Wakanda scene, then we've got at least 01:57 + 00:30 + 00:35 = 03:02, about 3 minutes of events after the snap still in Wakanda daytime. So the snap would have to be latest 16:09 UTC, and preferably several minutes earlier since sunset hasn't started.

      And with 40:36-42:17 of The End showing Tahiti in sunlight, at least 2 minutes before the snap is already Tahiti daytime. So the snap would have to be earliest 16:05 UTC, and preferably several minutes later since sunrise has finished.

      So, finally, we know it's between 16:05 and 16:09 UTC. There happens to be as little as a 4-minute window in which the snap could take place if it is on March 28th. So we can place the snap at 16:07 UTC, just about squeezing in.

      This makes it 06:07 Tahiti/09:07 San Francisco/12:07 New York/18:07 Wakanda. It doesn't match the :54, but that doesn't matter too much if the car clock is just wrong, and also, it's likely that March 29th isn't the permanent placement.


      Additional bit after your post: Yeah, I'll work through it with your suggestions and the 12:07 snap time to find the exact timings of all the events. 12:07 and the earlier U.S. sunrise time do give more time for the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episodes 21 and 22 to fit in before the snap - it becomes a tiny bit more comfortable.

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    • BEJT wrote:
      I was actually just finishing this message when you posted your reply. But it's still relevant, just yeah, it was written before you posed so that's why it says things like "we have to consider Wakanda":

      I had a further look at the timings for the snap and how it fits now, and we have to also consider Wakanda. Now, in Civil War, the map shown in the news would place Wakanda around Lake Turkana, Kenya. However, in Black Panther, when Killmonger enters the Ancestral Plane and looks at his father's notes, N'Jobu has written that it is at "2°39'30.19" S 29°0'29.36" E". This would place it around the border between the Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda - the nearest city being Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. It's significantly further south-west than the Civil War location.

      It's more likely to be the N'Jobu location, because the location given in the news is at a time when Wakanda was a lot more secretive and hidden, so it's possible they didn't actually know where it was or they gave a false location. N'Jobu is more likely to be correct, especially with his very specific coordinates.

      Now, looking at Tahiti sunrise times, sunrise on March 29th was 06:03, which is 16:03 UTC. Looking at Bukavu sunset times, sunset on March 29th was 18:12, which is 16:12 UTC. So basically, the snap would have to occur somewhere between 16:03 and 16:12 UTC.

      So, with Infinity War 2:12:20-2:14:17 showing the aftermath of the snap, then 2:14:17-2:16:04 showing simultaneous events on Titan, and 2:16:04-2:16:39 showing the events in Wakanda after the previous scene minimum 30 seconds after the last Wakanda scene, then we've got at least 01:57 + 00:30 + 00:35 = 03:02, about 3 minutes of events after the snap still in Wakanda daytime. So the snap would have to be latest 16:09 UTC, and preferably several minutes earlier since sunset hasn't started.

      And with 40:36-42:17 of The End showing Tahiti in sunlight, at least 2 minutes before the snap is already Tahiti daytime. So the snap would have to be earliest 16:05 UTC, and preferably several minutes later since sunrise has finished.

      So, finally, we know it's between 16:05 and 16:09 UTC. There happens to be as little as a 4-minute window in which the snap could take place if it is on March 28th. So we can place the snap at 16:07 UTC, just about squeezing in.

      This makes it 06:07 Tahiti/09:07 San Francisco/12:07 New York/18:07 Wakanda. It doesn't match the :54, but that doesn't matter too much if the car clock is just wrong, and also, it's likely that March 29th isn't the permanent placement.


      Additional bit after your post: Yeah, I'll work through it with your suggestions and the 12:07 snap time to find the exact timings of all the events. 12:07 and the earlier U.S. sunrise time do give more time for the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episodes 21 and 22 to fit in before the snap - it becomes a tiny bit more comfortable.

      Alright.

      What will happen to the timing of the sunrise and sunset in the event that evidence requires Infinity War be pushed forward to June (meaning it can no longer be daytime in Tahiti and Wakanda at the same time)?

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    • Here are my flashback notes for Cloak & Dagger. The majority of the flashbacks all happen on the day of the Roxxon accident or the day after. The flashbacks in the final episode of the season all take place centuries ago. I put the 2009 flashbacks first, attempting to put them in order. Then I put the other flashbacks from the final episode after that.

      Day of Accident
      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 0:00-2:36
      Tandy practices ballet and her dad helps, Billy tells Tyrone he will be better than him, the Johnsons eat together and have a good time


      Cloak & Dagger 1.07: Lotus Eaters 0:00-3:22
      Mina gives her father Ivan a cookie, at the rig Ivan asks to speak to Nathan Bowen, while waiting for Nathan the rig starts to collapse


      Night of Accident
      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 36:50-37:25
      Melissa Bowen brings Nathan coffee but spills on his paperwork, he gets upset and hits her (I think this is also the day of the accident because a flashback later in this episode shows the coffee cup that spilled)


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 0:00-6:25
      Tandy calls her dad to pick her up from ballet class, Tyrone steals a stereo from a car, the Roxxon oil rig explodes, Tandy’s father crashes and dies, Billy finds Tyrone with the stolen stereo and helps him run from the police, Conners shoots Billy and Tyrone jumps in the water after Billy


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 44:46-45:00
      Conners freaks out right after shooting Billy, says he will call his uncle who will fix it (cut out present Tyrone)


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 6:25-8:28
      Tyrone and Tandy find each other under water


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 41:06-42:00
      Tandy wakes up on the beach the morning after the accident next to an unconscious Tyrone, she takes his hoodie and walks away


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 46:36-47:06
      Tyrone wakes up on the beach and finds Tandy’s hair bow


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 12:20-12:56
      Tandy walks the streets, steals someone’s phone and calls her house


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 17:35-18:34
      Tyrone walks the streets and joins a tour crowd, the tour guide asks him where his mom is


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 21:55-22:42
      Tandy gets home and finds her mom passed out on the couch, she calls the police


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 18:40-19:24
      Roxxon takes everything from Tyrone’s mom, blaming her father Nathan for the explosion


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 31:08-32:30
      The police say that there’s no evidence of a cop killing Billy, they show video surveillance of Tyrone stealing the stereo


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 38:42-39:04
      Tandy’s mother tells her to not rely on anyone


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 39:34-39:48
      Tyrone’s mother tells his father that she doesn’t feel safe anymore


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 40:02-40:30
      Tyrone lays in his bed at night and Tandy lays on the couch



      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 0:00-2:08
      1600? During the Great Famine of the Choctaw people in the land that would become New Orleans. The Divine Pairing, a boy and girl, took it upon themselves to save the village. They checked their arms for a mark. The little girl had the mark and sacrificed her life to bring life back to the land and the food.


      Notes: From Wikipedia "La Nouvelle-Orléans (New Orleans) was founded in Spring of 1718.” This famine would have been before this, so as an estimate, the famine was around 1600.

      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 9:54-10:54
      1730 At the time of settlement, the Wilson brothers fell in love with the same woman. A huge storm hit New Orleans and lasted as long as the feud did.  Leland, the oldest brother, wore a band on his arm for the woman he loved. The brothers decided to settle the matter with a duel. But Leland did not load his gun, sacrificing himself to end the feud. When he died, the storm ended.

      Notes: New Orleans was founded in 1718, and it’s said the city is young, so about 10 years later or so would fit


      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 19:34-20:20
      1815 A month after the War of 1812. The war ended in February 1815, placing this around March 1815. When the War of 1812 ended, fighters in Louisiana did not get the message.  A messenger road to deliver the message to New Orleans. He was shot several times, including in the arm that was bandaged with an armband.  He died before he could get there, but a maiden found him. She took his message and his sense of urgency. The maiden ended the war.

      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 24:28-25:46
      1918 The Spanish Flu hits New Orleans. Doctor Rogers fought to find a cure because his lover had gotten sick. He tied a red armband on himself and drew blood from his arm. He injects his blood into his lover then collapsed and died. When the doctor died, all of the patients with the flu sat up and were cured.

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      64SuperNintendo wrote: Alright.

      What will happen to the timing of the sunrise and sunset in the event that evidence requires Infinity War be pushed forward to June (meaning it can no longer be daytime in Tahiti and Wakanda at the same time)?

      I think then we'd find a time that is as close as possible to working. So usually, like with the Iron Fist China stuff or with "I am Iron Man" being daytime in both Malibu and Russia (not possible in November), I'd look at it and say, "OK, well, based on one location it should be at least 17:00 UTC, but based on the other location it should be no later than 16:30 UTC, so I'll go with 16:45 UTC." That way it at least nearly works both ways, and you can maybe assume that the MCU sunrise/sunset times are a tiny bit different.

      Although in this case, it would also mean we could bring the :54 back into play. Because if it's going to not work anyway, we might as well use it if it's reasonably convenient. So if the method I just mentioned would place it at, say, about 13:00 New York, then we could also shift it to 12:54.

      So yeah, a mix of "as close as possible to working" and possibly using the :54 again.


      Also there will be some more changes to the Infinity War timings. Now that there is enough time in the Thursday morning for the team to fly from the facility to Wakanda and all the Wakanda events to happen, it means that the facility scene can now be in the morning rather than having to be the Wednesday afternoon. This also matches with the clock shown in the Edinburgh scenes which I did some work on, using what we can just about see to work out the time it suggests. I've done a full breakdown of the evidence either way - for the facility being Wednesday afternoon or being Thursday morning - on the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. draft page which I'm still editing, so you'll be able to see it fully soon. Obviously it's more than just the placement of that scene, because it has a knock-on effect on the rest of the film's scenes' timings. Nut yeah, the facility is Thursday morning and the rest of the film takes place over the following 5 hours on Thursday. The full breakdown's nearly done.


      Cloak & Dagger Past Dates (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Here are my flashback notes for Cloak & Dagger. The majority of the flashbacks all happen on the day of the Roxxon accident or the day after. The flashbacks in the final episode of the season all take place centuries ago. I put the 2009 flashbacks first, attempting to put them in order. Then I put the other flashbacks from the final episode after that.

      Day of Accident
      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 0:00-2:36
      Tandy practices ballet and her dad helps, Billy tells Tyrone he will be better than him, the Johnsons eat together and have a good time


      Cloak & Dagger 1.07: Lotus Eaters 0:00-3:22
      Mina gives her father Ivan a cookie, at the rig Ivan asks to speak to Nathan Bowen, while waiting for Nathan the rig starts to collapse


      Night of Accident
      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 36:50-37:25
      Melissa Bowen brings Nathan coffee but spills on his paperwork, he gets upset and hits her (I think this is also the day of the accident because a flashback later in this episode shows the coffee cup that spilled)


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 0:00-6:25
      Tandy calls her dad to pick her up from ballet class, Tyrone steals a stereo from a car, the Roxxon oil rig explodes, Tandy’s father crashes and dies, Billy finds Tyrone with the stolen stereo and helps him run from the police, Conners shoots Billy and Tyrone jumps in the water after Billy


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 44:46-45:00
      Conners freaks out right after shooting Billy, says he will call his uncle who will fix it (cut out present Tyrone)


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 6:25-8:28
      Tyrone and Tandy find each other under water


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 41:06-42:00
      Tandy wakes up on the beach the morning after the accident next to an unconscious Tyrone, she takes his hoodie and walks away


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 46:36-47:06
      Tyrone wakes up on the beach and finds Tandy’s hair bow


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 12:20-12:56
      Tandy walks the streets, steals someone’s phone and calls her house


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 17:35-18:34
      Tyrone walks the streets and joins a tour crowd, the tour guide asks him where his mom is


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 21:55-22:42
      Tandy gets home and finds her mom passed out on the couch, she calls the police


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 18:40-19:24
      Roxxon takes everything from Tyrone’s mom, blaming her father Nathan for the explosion


      Cloak & Dagger 1.01: First Light 31:08-32:30
      The police say that there’s no evidence of a cop killing Billy, they show video surveillance of Tyrone stealing the stereo


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 38:42-39:04
      Tandy’s mother tells her to not rely on anyone


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 39:34-39:48
      Tyrone’s mother tells his father that she doesn’t feel safe anymore


      Cloak & Dagger 1.08: Ghost Stories 40:02-40:30
      Tyrone lays in his bed at night and Tandy lays on the couch



      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 0:00-2:08
      1600? During the Great Famine of the Choctaw people in the land that would become New Orleans. The Divine Pairing, a boy and girl, took it upon themselves to save the village. They checked their arms for a mark. The little girl had the mark and sacrificed her life to bring life back to the land and the food.


      Notes: From Wikipedia "La Nouvelle-Orléans (New Orleans) was founded in Spring of 1718.” This famine would have been before this, so as an estimate, the famine was around 1600.

      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 9:54-10:54
      1730 At the time of settlement, the Wilson brothers fell in love with the same woman. A huge storm hit New Orleans and lasted as long as the feud did.  Leland, the oldest brother, wore a band on his arm for the woman he loved. The brothers decided to settle the matter with a duel. But Leland did not load his gun, sacrificing himself to end the feud. When he died, the storm ended.

      Notes: New Orleans was founded in 1718, and it’s said the city is young, so about 10 years later or so would fit


      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 19:34-20:20
      1815 A month after the War of 1812. The war ended in February 1815, placing this around March 1815. When the War of 1812 ended, fighters in Louisiana did not get the message.  A messenger road to deliver the message to New Orleans. He was shot several times, including in the arm that was bandaged with an armband.  He died before he could get there, but a maiden found him. She took his message and his sense of urgency. The maiden ended the war.

      Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 24:28-25:46
      1918 The Spanish Flu hits New Orleans. Doctor Rogers fought to find a cure because his lover had gotten sick. He tied a red armband on himself and drew blood from his arm. He injects his blood into his lover then collapsed and died. When the doctor died, all of the patients with the flu sat up and were cured.

      Nice spot about the coffee cup. That helps place the scene where Nathan hits Melissa, because otherwise it could be been a difficult thing to place with no particular evidence other than like "at some point leading up to February 2009".

      Would the second part of the Ivan scene not be right before the collapse? So the scene with Nathan hitting Melissa would probably be before the oil rig starts to collapse, with the oil rig collapse only beginning as Nathan is driving Tandy home from ballet. Otherwise yeah, I'd agree with all of that.

      Thanks for the Divine Pairing flashback estimates, that will help when I rewatch the finale to take notes.

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    • Would the second part of the Ivan scene not be right before the collapse? So the scene with Nathan hitting Melissa would probably be before the oil rig starts to collapse, with the oil rig collapse only beginning as Nathan is driving Tandy home from ballet. Otherwise yeah, I'd agree with all of that.

      I'm not sure about that. I was thinking that too. But when Ivan arrives at the oil rig, it's still daytime. It doesn't seem like that much time passes when the meltdown starts with all the lights flashing. Also, wasn't Nathan talking to Ivan on the phone when it exploded? As shown in Lotus Eaters when Tandy talks to her dad repeatedly on the phone? Also isn't it implied that Nathan is speaking to Ivan on the phone when he crashes? I'm not sure exactly how that all should be ordered.

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    • Cloak & Dagger Past Dates (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: I'm not sure about that. I was thinking that too. But when Ivan arrives at the oil rig, it's still daytime. It doesn't seem like that much time passes when the meltdown starts with all the lights flashing. Also, wasn't Nathan talking to Ivan on the phone when it exploded? As shown in Lotus Eaters when Tandy talks to her dad repeatedly on the phone? Also isn't it implied that Nathan is speaking to Ivan on the phone when he crashes? I'm not sure exactly how that all should be ordered.

      OK so the incident is something like February 25, 2009, give or take a couple of days (haven't yet worked it out exactly). Sunset in New Orleans was 17:56. We know the collapse is not long after sunset, because Tandy calls her dad while it's still light, and he picks her up not too long after and it's now dark. And then shortly after that is the collapse. So that works reasonably with the fact that it's still daytime when Ivan arrives on the rig, because it was still daytime not too long before the collapse. Also I just rewatched the scenes, and when Ivan arrives on the rig, he says, "Evening, Tommy. What's the latest?" So yeah, it's evening, just not quite sunset. And I reckon when he asks for Nathan, Nathan's just left to get Tandy.

      I've worked it out I think. Firstly, I'll lay out how the Ivan daytime scenes would work out if the last outdoor scene were a minimum realistic time before sunset - 15 minutes.

      • 17:41 - Ivan arrives on the rig. It's "evening", but still daytime. Realistically, at least 15 minutes before sunset. We're minimising the time though, so let's go with 15 minutes.
      • 17:43 - Ivan asks Sam about the shielding tiles. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
      • 17:45 - Ivan says he needs Nathan. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
      • 17:47 - Ivan sits and gets Mina's cookies out. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
        • 17:56 - Sunset.

      Then we have the nighttime scenes, which realistically should begin at least 15 minutes after sunset. Again, minimising the time gap a bit, let's go with 15 minutes after, so 18:11.

      • 18:11 - Billy chooses to leave his group. The first scene in the dark. Realistically, at least 15 minutes after sunset. We're minimising the time though, so let's go with 15 minutes.
      • Somewhere between 18:11 and 18:16 - Nathan picks up Tandy. Anywhere between the scenes placed 18:11 and 18:16. Likely earlier rather than later, since they need a few minutes after this scene for them to have driven to the bridge by the time we see them next.
      • 18:16 - Tyrone takes the radio. At least 5 minutes since Billy left, and we're minimising time, so let's go with 5 minutes.
      • 18:19 - Nathan picks up the call from Ivan. The next scene with Nathan is likely just 1 minute later, and in between this and the next scene with Nathan, Billy bumps into Tyrone and tells him he shouldn't have taken the radio. So either this is the same minute as that, or the next Nathan scene is the same minute as that, and this is 1 minute earlier. 1 minute earlier works better, since again, we're minimising the time. So with the next scene, with Billy and Tyrone, being 18:20, that makes this 18:19.
      • 18:20 - Billy tells Tyrone he shouldn't have taken the radio. The police find them. At least 4 minutes since Tyrone took the radio, and we're minimising time, so let's go with 4 minutes.

      Now, in between Ivan sitting down to have the cookies and him calling Nathan, there's the moment where he asks why it's taking so long for him to talk to Nathan, and the sirens suddenly begin. You would think it should be about 10 minutes after he asked to see Nathan that he becomes frustrated, and that it would take him about 5 minutes to follow up himself and call Nathan. So those scenes, currently 17:45 and 18:19, should be about 15 minutes apart. However, they're currently 34 minutes apart. So let's meet in the middle. (15 + 34) ÷ 2 = 24.5 minutes between the scenes. That's 34 - 24.5 = 9.5, rounded to 10, a 10-minute reduction of that gap. 5 minutes closer to sunset either way. So the last daylight scene with Ivan arriving on the rig goes from being 17:41 to being 17:46, and the first dark scene with Billy leaving goes from being 18:11 to being 18:06. Also, if we're guessing the scene where Ivan becomes frustrated and the sirens start is 10 ÷ (10 + 5) = ⅔ of the way between him asking for Nathan and calling him, and those scenes are now 17:50 and 18:14 respectively, then ⅔ through gives 18:06 for that scene. 16 minutes since he asked for Nathan, 8 minutes before he calls Nathan.

      OK, working with all that:

      • 17:01 - Ivan says goodbye to Mina as he leaves. I've placed this based on it being about 45 minutes before he gets to the rig, which is placed 17:46.
      • Between 17:01 and 17:42 - Ballet lesson and Tyrone talking to Billy and his friends.
      • 17:42 - Tandy calls the office for Nathan to come and pick her up. I've placed this based on it being about 3 minutes before he leaves work, which is placed 17:45.
        • 17:45 - Nathan leaves to get Tandy. I've placed this based on it being about 5 minutes before Ivan asks for him, which is placed 17:50.
      • 17:46 - Ivan arrives on the rig. It's "evening", but still daytime. Final scene in daylight, 10 minutes before sunset.
      • 17:48 - Ivan asks Sam about the shielding tiles. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:46.
      • 17:50 - Ivan says he needs Nathan. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:48.
      • 17:52 - Ivan sits and gets Mina's cookies out. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:50.
        • 17:56 - Sunset.
      • 18:06 - Ivan asks why it's taking so long for him to talk to Nathan. 18:06, as explained.
      • 18:06 - Billy chooses to leave his group. The first scene in the dark. As explained, 18:06.
      • 18:08 - Nathan picks up Tandy. Anywhere between the scenes placed 18:06 and 18:11. 18:08 is about right, giving 12 minutes since sunset, but a good 6 minutes for them to have driven to the bridge by the time Nathan gets the call from Ivan.
      • 18:11 - Tyrone takes the radio. As explained, going with the minimum of 5 minutes since Billy left, making this 18:11.
      • 18:14 - Nathan picks up the call from Ivan. As explained, 18:14 works best.
      • 18:15 - Billy tells Tyrone he shouldn't have taken the radio. The police find them. It's between 18:14 and 18:15 scenes, and as explained, it's better to go with the later one to help minimise the time that passes.
      • 18:15 - Nathan tells them what will happen if they shut down the rig. 1 minute after last Nathan scene.
      • 18:16 - Billy and Tyrone run. Between 18:15 and 18:16, and with the last scene at 18:135 this should be 18:16 - allowing for a minute since their last scene.
      • 18:16 - The rig starts to collapse. 1 minute after last Nathan scene.

      So that's how I'd incorporate the Ivan scenes. Lastly, we have to fit in Nathan hitting Melissa. I'd say it's before any of this, because Tandy calls Roxxon to get through to her dad, suggesting he's been at work, and not at home, for the few hours preceding that call. So since the scene is at their home, it would have to be at least a few hours prior to Tandy calling him - if not the night before.

      A weird thing in The Lotus Eaters was that Nathan seems to be calling Ivan moments before the collapse, when we know from First Light that it was the other way around. But I guess that's just part of Ivan's visions - things are slightly off.


      Personal Extra Note

      I mentioned before that the cast of Spider-Man: Far from Home were filming near to my home, but they were actually in my home city the other day. There are pictures of them in the main part of the city, standing in places where I walk pretty much every other day - just a mile or so from my home. It's exciting and kinda surreal!

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    • BEJT wrote:

      OK so the incident is something like February 25, 2009, give or take a couple of days (haven't yet worked it out exactly). Sunset in New Orleans was 17:56. We know the collapse is not long after sunset, because Tandy calls her dad while it's still light, and he picks her up not too long after and it's now dark. And then shortly after that is the collapse. So that works reasonably with the fact that it's still daytime when Ivan arrives on the rig, because it was still daytime not too long before the collapse. Also I just rewatched the scenes, and when Ivan arrives on the rig, he says, "Evening, Tommy. What's the latest?" So yeah, it's evening, just not quite sunset. And I reckon when he asks for Nathan, Nathan's just left to get Tandy.

      Ok cool so that would place these flashbacks during Iron Man, while Tony Stark is a prisoner of the terrorists in the cave, according to our timeline. And I'll double check the sequence of events with your notes.

      BEJT wrote:

      I mentioned before that the cast of Spider-Man: Far from Home were filming near to my home, but they were actually in my home city the other day. There are pictures of them in the main part of the city, standing in places where I walk pretty much every other day - just a mile or so from my home. It's exciting and kinda surreal!

      Wow that's fantastic! Go and be an extra! Lol, I would try to be one if they were filming someone where I live.

      And here are my Ant-Man and the Wasp notes:


      1987 probably, Janet sees Hope for the last time, they stop the missile (new details)
      1986? quantum entanglement, Scott sees Hope hiding in closet as Janet
      2012 Scott meets Luis in prison
      2015? Don't know when, Luis's grandma with a jukebox
      1987? Young Bill Foster meets young Ava
      1986? Ava's parents die in quantum energy experiment, she gains Ghost powers


      Any other flashbacks I missed?

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    • Cloak & Dagger Past Dates (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Ok cool so that would place these flashbacks during Iron Man, while Tony Stark is a prisoner of the terrorists in the cave, according to our timeline. And I'll double check the sequence of events with your notes.

      Yeah exactly. It's somewhere from like the 24th to the 26th.


      Spider-Man: Far from Home Cast in My City (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Wow that's fantastic! Go and be an extra! Lol, I would try to be one if they were filming someone where I live.

      I should clarify, I don't think they've done any actual filming in my city. They're filming not far from my city, and so I think they're staying nearby and then had a day off and decided to visit my city. It's the closest city to where they're filming that has like good shops and history and atmosphere and things. Basically it's the most visit-able city near to where they're filming, so it makes sense for why they would come here. But still, yeah, it's exciting. If they were filming in my city, I'd definitely visit!


      Ant-Man and the Wasp Past Dates (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: And here are my Ant-Man and the Wasp notes:


      1987 probably, Janet sees Hope for the last time, they stop the missile (new details)
      1986? quantum entanglement, Scott sees Hope hiding in closet as Janet
      2012 Scott meets Luis in prison
      2015? Don't know when, Luis's grandma with a jukebox
      1987? Young Bill Foster meets young Ava
      1986? Ava's parents die in quantum energy experiment, she gains Ghost powers


      Any other flashbacks I missed?

      I would add the one scene between the prologue and the present day events beginning, where Hank is telling Hope (with her old bob hair) that he thinks there's a chance they could get Janet back. But I asked after seeing the film what people thought, whether it's 2015, very soon after Ant-Man, or 2016, after Scott has been arrested. We know from Luis' truth serum story that at the time of Civil War, Hope still had the sharp bob haircut, so it could be 2016. I'm still not sure.

      Also, I did wonder when the Starr family flashbacks were. Because my initial thought was 1987, but then I realised, not necessarily. Is there any reason why it has to be that early? Because Hannah John-Kamen is only 28 now. At the time of the middle of filming for Ant-Man and the Wasp in September 2017, she was 28y0m old. It's set roughly March 2018, which would suggest Ava was born around roughly March 1990. RaeLynn Bratten who played young Ghost is about 8, depending on when that page was last updated. If it's up-to-date that means she's about 8y6m old now, so she would have been about 7y7.5m old at the time of filming Ant-Man and the Wasp. Then, overall, that would place the Starr family flashbacks in about 1997.

      Would that work with how old Bill Foster looks?

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    • CirUmeUela wrote: Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 9:54-10:54
      1730 At the time of settlement, the Wilson brothers fell in love with the same woman. A huge storm hit New Orleans and lasted as long as the feud did.  Leland, the oldest brother, wore a band on his arm for the woman he loved. The brothers decided to settle the matter with a duel. But Leland did not load his gun, sacrificing himself to end the feud. When he died, the storm ended.

      Notes: New Orleans was founded in 1718, and it’s said the city is young, so about 10 years later or so would fit

      Wasn't the year of the duel 1739? It was in "Stained Glass" when Evita led the Damballah Voodoo Tour and she mentions the Wilson Brothers duel at where Congo Square is now, says it's 1739, and it was the last duel to take place in New Orleans.
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    • Mrmichaelt wrote:

      CirUmeUela wrote: Cloak & Dagger 1.10: Colony Collapse 9:54-10:54
      1730 At the time of settlement, the Wilson brothers fell in love with the same woman. A huge storm hit New Orleans and lasted as long as the feud did.  Leland, the oldest brother, wore a band on his arm for the woman he loved. The brothers decided to settle the matter with a duel. But Leland did not load his gun, sacrificing himself to end the feud. When he died, the storm ended.

      Notes: New Orleans was founded in 1718, and it’s said the city is young, so about 10 years later or so would fit

      Wasn't the year of the duel 1739? It was in "Stained Glass" when Evita led the Damballah Voodoo Tour and she mentions the Wilson Brothers duel at where Congo Square is now, says it's 1739, and it was the last duel to take place in New Orleans.

      Wait, I thought it was 1793? They definitely look like they're wearing Revolutionary Era clothing? I remember, because I thought it was weird that one Pairing would be active so near in time to the next, in 1812.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Wait, I thought it was 1793? They definitely look like they're wearing Revolutionary Era clothing? I remember, because I thought it was weird that one Pairing would be active so near in time to the next, in 1812.

      Yes, 1793. My bad! Must have hit ctrl-z by mistake when I edited my post, thought I corrected it. lol.

      The 20 or so year gap seems odd, but who knows. Maybe Auntie was just reciting the stories of the pairs she knew of. There could have been more that were lost to history.

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    • In Runaways Season 2, according to the showrunners, we will have a major connection to the MCU that will connect them finally. I was wondering: the Snap or Tina Minoru's Masters of the Mystic Arts?

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    • Guys. I am rewatching Daredevil Season One (I have all the MCU propertis in Blu Ray, at least, the ones that have been put on the market) and watching Episode 2 (Cut Man) around minute 33:40-33:43 in the subtitles it says: Creel vs. Murdock - 12 de noviembre implying that the event happened on November 12th of an unknown year (probably 2014)? It might be a mistake but like it is a Blu Ray I doubt so.

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    • The Snap in Runaways s2 is very likely

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    • 12/10/2014 sounds about right, can’t see why it would be a simple mistake :-/ @Marvelous345678

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    • My bad. It can't be 2014, becaue it is a flashback so it is 1994 or 1995.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      My bad. It can't be 2014, becaue it is a flashback so it is 1994 or 1995.

      Since the match was on a Saturday, it must be in 1994. Since November 12, 1995 was a Sunday.

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    • Great. So we will have to move some dates for Daredevil Season 1.

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    • Another source to add to the list, but in EMPIRE's Film Podcast Spoiler Special, around 9 min mark, Peyton Reed confirmed Ant-Man and The Wasp takes place over 3 days. He said, "I mean, the whole movie really takes place over a three-day period, his last three days of house arrest. In terms of how long before the Thanos event those three days were, it's undetermined." and "We have to assume Hank and Janet spent a little time in their seaside home on wherever this remote island then came back and got to work on this quantum experiment. It's undetermined but not that long a period of time." ComicBook article, Link to EMPIRE podcast special.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      In Runaways Season 2, according to the showrunners, we will have a major connection to the MCU that will connect them finally. I was wondering: the Snap or Tina Minoru's Masters of the Mystic Arts?

      Presumably no show will tackle the Snap, because it just wouldn't make sense to kill off half of your main cast for no reason (while still paying the actors, since you'll eventually have to bring them back).

      So I'm guessing it'll be Tina being finally connected to the version from Doctor Strange. It wouldn't be hard to do. Tina's a millionaire and genius. She probably came across magic, and studied in it to bring Amy back from the dead (she even says to Nico that they're more alike than Nico would care to admit, and we see Nico attempting to revive Amy with magic in the premiere).

      I would like to see the interview, though.

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    • I have the theory that Tina infiltrated into the Masters of the Mystic Arts when she was young. Eventually, she discovered the Staff of One and intrigued by it she started to make her own artifact which could replicate its power. When she managed to do it, Tina stopped to believe in magic, it is just science that we don't understand. In order to learn more about magic, she was an important member of the Masters of the Mystic Arts gaining the trust of several members like Drumm, Wong and Kaecilius. The day they fought the Zealots, Tina decided to run away with the original Staff of One.

      In Season Two, Nico will discover her mom's book and will find the original Staff of One, and the Staff will get inside of her (like in the comics) and Nico will use the original Staff while Tina will use the one she created.

      And they could connect with the Snap on a post credits scene if they want to. But Tina Minoru's connection to Doctor Strange is more likely. I am so excited about this ItsAllConnected thing. You gotta love the MCU.

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    • Cool theory. I thought the connection could be a take on Victor Mancha and reworking his connection to Ultron to fit within the MCU. An appearance of the Skrulls, coming after Jonah or something, would have been cool, but too soon for them to start appearing. But the article mentions a new set location related to the comics that might validate your magic theory.

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I would like to see the interview, though.

      From The Hollywood Reporter. (Warning: If you haven't finished watching Cloak & Dagger season 1, there are spoilers)
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    • Thanks! Yeah... I don't we will ever gonna see an apparition of Victor Mancha in the MCU. That ship is gone after Avengers: Age of Ultron, sadly.

      According to the comics and the MCU we can get this kind of connection: Tina Minoru's connection, they will talk about reaching the Avengers for help so they can help them to defeat their parents, they will meet Cloak and Dagger, they can mention other events across the MCU and finally the ramifications of Thanos' actions.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote: Thanks! Yeah... I don't we will ever gonna see an apparition of Victor Mancha in the MCU. That ship is gone after Avengers: Age of Ultron, sadly.

      According to the comics and the MCU we can get this kind of connection: Tina Minoru's connection, they will talk about reaching the Avengers for help so they can help them to defeat their parents, they will meet Cloak and Dagger, they can mention other events across the MCU and finally the ramifications of Thanos' actions.

      Ha ha. Yeah, I figured some there's Ultron tech on the black market like the Chiaturi's but -- yeah, it's for best if they never revisit Ultron and open that can of worms.

      The article mentions the mansion was owned by a magician and I don't remember that from the comics. So if there's some famous Marvel magicians that could fit that -- maybe they're revisiting Cagliostro?

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    • Does anyone know the dialogue when Doctor Strange first meets Thanos before Iron Man forces the large rock onto Thanos?

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote: Does anyone know the dialogue when Doctor Strange first meets Thanos before Iron Man forces the large rock onto Thanos?

      "Oh, yeah. You're much more of a Thanos."
      "I take it that Maw is dead? This day extracts a heavy toll. Still, he accomplished his mission."
      "You may regret that. He brought you face-to-face with a Master of the Mystic Arts."
      "Where do you think he brought you?"
      "Let me guess. Your home?"
      "It was. And it was beautiful. Titan was like most planets. Too many mouths, not enough to go around. And when we faced extinction, I offered a solution."
      "Genocide?"
      "At random. Dispassionate, fair. The rich and poor alike. And they called me a madman. And what I predicted, came to pass."
      "Congratulations. You're a prophet."
      "I'm a survivor."
      "Who wants to murder trillions."
      "With all six Stones, I could simply snap my fingers. They would all cease to exist. I call that... mercy."
      "And then what?"
      "I finally rest. And watch the sun rise on a grateful universe. The hardest choices require the strongest wills."
      "I think you'll find our will equal to yours."
      "Our?"
      ―Doctor Strange and Thanos[src]
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    • Runaways season 2 begins 1 day after the season 1 finale. TV Line article

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    • Mrmichaelt wrote:
      Runaways season 2 begins 1 day after the season 1 finale. TV Line article

      Ooh, that's definitely interesting since Runaways was pretty much the only other show running in real time aside from SHIELD.

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    • Runaways: Season 2 Connection (Marvelous 345678, Deadpooled123, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: In Runaways Season 2, according to the showrunners, we will have a major connection to the MCU that will connect them finally. I was wondering: the Snap or Tina Minoru's Masters of the Mystic Arts?

      Not sure about either. When they mentioned it, I took it more as just "We're going to have a mention of "Tony Stark" late in the season" or something like that, not a major connection but just their first proper one outside of WHiH.


      Deadpooled123 wrote: The Snap in Runaways s2 is very likely

      Agreed.


      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Presumably no show will tackle the Snap, because it just wouldn't make sense to kill off half of your main cast for no reason (while still paying the actors, since you'll eventually have to bring them back).

      So I'm guessing it'll be Tina being finally connected to the version from Doctor Strange. It wouldn't be hard to do. Tina's a millionaire and genius. She probably came across magic, and studied in it to bring Amy back from the dead (she even says to Nico that they're more alike than Nico would care to admit, and we see Nico attempting to revive Amy with magic in the premiere).

      I would like to see the interview, though.

      I think they'll continue to just ignore Doctor Strange, honestly. Would be nice if they addressed it in some way though.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: I have the theory that Tina infiltrated into the Masters of the Mystic Arts when she was young. Eventually, she discovered the Staff of One and intrigued by it she started to make her own artifact which could replicate its power. When she managed to do it, Tina stopped to believe in magic, it is just science that we don't understand. In order to learn more about magic, she was an important member of the Masters of the Mystic Arts gaining the trust of several members like Drumm, Wong and Kaecilius. The day they fought the Zealots, Tina decided to run away with the original Staff of One.

      In Season Two, Nico will discover her mom's book and will find the original Staff of One, and the Staff will get inside of her (like in the comics) and Nico will use the original Staff while Tina will use the one she created.

      And they could connect with the Snap on a post credits scene if they want to. But Tina Minoru's connection to Doctor Strange is more likely. I am so excited about this ItsAllConnected thing. You gotta love the MCU.

      I like that theory for how it could work with Doctor Strange a lot, that would be a good explanation for how they're the same character. I think there would also need to be some time travel involved, for two reasons. First, Linda Louise Duan who played her in Doctor Strange was 22y1m old at the middle of filming in January 2016, whereas Brittany Ishibashi was 36y9m old at the middle of filming for Season 1 in August 2017. Tina can't really be younger than that, since Amy was born almost 19 years prior, but there's no way Linda Louise Duan looks mid-30s. Second, Tina has been around for years. It's unlikely that she could have gone off to Kamar-Taj frequently without arousing any suspicion, and she's been far too busy with her family and Wizard. Plus there's not the time between January and December 2017 for all of that to have happened. So I would say that by this theory, maybe she was born around 1995, was about 21 in January 2017, then travelled back 19 years or so to early 1998. She had Amy in late 1998/early 1999, and in December 2017 had now had almost 20 years since her Kamar-Taj days, and is about 41. I guess though that once you introduce time travel it becomes harder for it to work.

      Still, I like your theory, but I don't think that it's something they'll actually do in the show sadly. They'll probably just continue to ignore it.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: Cool theory. I thought the connection could be a take on Victor Mancha and reworking his connection to Ultron to fit within the MCU. An appearance of the Skrulls, coming after Jonah or something, would have been cool, but too soon for them to start appearing. But the article mentions a new set location related to the comics that might validate your magic theory.

      Mrmichaelt wrote: From The Hollywood Reporter. (Warning: If you haven't finished watching Cloak & Dagger season 1, there are spoilers)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Thanks! Yeah... I don't we will ever gonna see an apparition of Victor Mancha in the MCU. That ship is gone after Avengers: Age of Ultron, sadly.

      According to the comics and the MCU we can get this kind of connection: Tina Minoru's connection, they will talk about reaching the Avengers for help so they can help them to defeat their parents, they will meet Cloak and Dagger, they can mention other events across the MCU and finally the ramifications of Thanos' actions.

      I don't think it will be a major connection sadly.


      Mrmichaelt wrote: Ha ha. Yeah, I figured some there's Ultron tech on the black market like the Chiaturi's but -- yeah, it's for best if they never revisit Ultron and open that can of worms.

      The article mentions the mansion was owned by a magician and I don't remember that from the comics. So if there's some famous Marvel magicians that could fit that -- maybe they're revisiting Cagliostro?

      Well Vulture had an Ultron head, so it's out there. I wouldn't mind revisiting that tech. Would make a change from the Chitauri tech.


      Creel vs. Murdock (Marvelous 345678, Deadpooled123, The Wikia Editor)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Guys. I am rewatching Daredevil Season One (I have all the MCU propertis in Blu Ray, at least, the ones that have been put on the market) and watching Episode 2 (Cut Man) around minute 33:40-33:43 in the subtitles it says: Creel vs. Murdock - 12 de noviembre implying that the event happened on November 12th of an unknown year (probably 2014)? It might be a mistake but like it is a Blu Ray I doubt so.

      Deadpooled123 wrote: 12/10/2014 sounds about right, can’t see why it would be a simple mistake :-/ @Marvelous345678

      Was going to get around to correcting you guys on this, but Marvelous worked it out:


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: My bad. It can't be 2014, becaue it is a flashback so it is 1994 or 1995.

      Yeah, it's Jack Murdock's fight against Carl Creel. 1994 would work best, because we currently have it in January 1995.


      The Wikia Editor wrote: Since the match was on a Saturday, it must be in 1994. Since November 12, 1995 was a Sunday.

      Perfect.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Great. So we will have to move some dates for Daredevil Season 1.

      Yeah, but not much. Shouldn't make too much difference. Matt's just rounding a bit in 2005 when he says it's been 10 years since his dad died. It's still after when we have Matt's accident placed in mid-1994, it's just 2 months earlier than we thought.


      Ant-Man and the Wasp (Mrmichaelt)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: Another source to add to the list, but in EMPIRE's Film Podcast Spoiler Special, around 9 min mark, Peyton Reed confirmed Ant-Man and The Wasp takes place over 3 days. He said, "I mean, the whole movie really takes place over a three-day period, his last three days of house arrest. In terms of how long before the Thanos event those three days were, it's undetermined." and "We have to assume Hank and Janet spent a little time in their seaside home on wherever this remote island then came back and got to work on this quantum experiment. It's undetermined but not that long a period of time." ComicBook article, Link to EMPIRE podcast special.

      Thanks. I listen to the Empire podcast (I actually went to see it live in February and I've had contact with them a bit on Twitter), so I always listen to the spoiler specials. However, I was still making my way through their hours of spoiler special interviews with Christopher McQuarrie for Mission: Impossible - Fallout. I get a little bit nervous when Chris, the interviewer, asks the Marvel guys about the timeline, because while it's sometimes helpful, it can also serve to contradict our timeline. So thank you for telling me ahead of time that they say this, I didn't have to get nervous.

      Having now listened, yeah, it was interesting that in both interviews - Peyton Reed and Stephen Broussard - while Chris brought up specific spans of time like a couple of days/a couple of weeks between the film and Infinity War, they both dodged giving specific times and just said that they're close together but the exact span is undetermined.

      Like you say, Reed also reaffirms that it's 3 days. He also reaffirms that Hope was 7 when Janet left, which we knew from Ant-Man, but it's never a bad thing when they back it up.

      Chris also brought up, and they discuss among themselves later on, the weird thing with Black Widow mentioning Scott's under house arrest in Infinity War. But Reed just sort of laughed along with him, he didn't really address it.


      Runaways: Season 2 (Mrmichaelt, Edward Zachary Sunrose)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: Runaways season 2 begins 1 day after the season 1 finale. TV Line article

      Interesting, thank you! "24 to 36 hours". Kind of hoping for 36 because I'm assuming they won't really address Christmas, so that would help for them to just skim over Christmas Day. If they did address Christmas though, that would help make the Season 1 timeline concrete.

      I think there's good and bad news here. The good news is that this means no Infinity War problems (unless there's a time jump at some point), and it was the logical place to pick up. The bad news is that, considering the first season placed itself when it was coming out, there's the slight worry that they will do that again this time without thinking about it, despite the fact that it's set immediately after. So many films and TV shows do this, where the next instalment is set a short amount of time after the previous, but while the last one was set at the time it was coming out, so is this one somehow (Marvel themselves have done it, for example when they brought out Iron Man 2 and set it in 2010 when Iron Man, 6 months earlier, had placed itself in 2008, when they brought out Thor and it was set at the same time as Iron Man 2 but was set in 2011, when they brought out Spider-Man: Homecoming and set it in 2017 despite it being 2 months since Captain America: Civil War, and when The Punisher: Season 1 was a year after Daredevil: Season 2 but placed itself in 2017). It's also what the general public seem to assume a lot of the time, they don't consider the previous instalment and just assume with present day-set franchises that everything's set in the year it comes out.

      So yeah, a little worried they'll be like "Yeah we know it's a day since Runaways: Season 1 but the evidence is now for December 2018 OK? Just don't worry about it." But hopefully it'll all be fine.


      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Ooh, that's definitely interesting since Runaways was pretty much the only other show running in real time aside from SHIELD.

      Yeah, with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. not back for another 11 months, we're basically now in a time where every MCU show coming out is set in the past, anywhere from 10 to 18 months before their release date. Makes sense though with Jeph Loeb's comments about everything before Avengers 4 being set pre-Infinity War.

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    • BEJT wrote:

      Still, I like your theory, but I don't think that it's something they'll actually do in the show sadly. They'll probably just continue to ignore it.
      It's too bad. Because with Nightshade, they were able to course correct and that character in Black Panther got renamed and Nightshade debuted on Luke Cage season 2. But time travel. Hmm. Interesting.

      BEJT wrote:

      I don't think it will be a major connection sadly.
      Yeah, I think it'll be something indirect that points to a major connection. Like they find the Hostel, which maybe was at a time the mansion owned by Cagliostro -- whose book was what was stolen in Doctor Strange -- and then who knows what they might find inside the mansion.

      BEJT wrote:

      Well Vulture had an Ultron head, so it's out there. I wouldn't mind revisiting that tech. Would make a change from the Chitauri tech.
      Oh yeah. Point taken.

      BEJT wrote: Thanks. I listen to the Empire podcast (I actually went to see it live in February and I've had contact with them a bit on Twitter), so I always listen to the spoiler specials. However, I was still making my way through their hours of spoiler special interviews with Christopher McQuarrie for Mission: Impossible - Fallout. I get a little bit nervous when Chris, the interviewer, asks the Marvel guys about the timeline, because while it's sometimes helpful, it can also serve to contradict our timeline. So thank you for telling me ahead of time that they say this, I didn't have to get nervous.

      Having now listened, yeah, it was interesting that in both interviews - Peyton Reed and Stephen Broussard - while Chris brought up specific spans of time like a couple of days/a couple of weeks between the film and Infinity War, they both dodged giving specific times and just said that they're close together but the exact span is undetermined.

      Like you say, Reed also reaffirms that it's 3 days. He also reaffirms that Hope was 7 when Janet left, which we knew from Ant-Man, but it's never a bad thing when they back it up.

      Chris also brought up, and they discuss among themselves later on, the weird thing with Black Widow mentioning Scott's under house arrest in Infinity War. But Reed just sort of laughed along with him, he didn't really address it.
      Agreed. But it would have been cool if they had some concrete time table for IW and AM&TW but in the grand scheme of things, maybe it's for the better we got a vague 'undetermined' answer and simply 'not too much' time passed.

      Mm, yeah, as for the Black Widow comment. I think it may not be a literal statement. Steve, Falcon, and Widow were where at that point - laying low and always on the move taking out black market tech in the Middle East then headed to Edinburgh? Maybe they travel light when they're on the move for practical reasons and to avoid detection so they're not as tapped in -- as when they were Avengers that they could get automated news updates -- and missed the news flash about Giant-Man. And when Widow makes that statement about house arrest, she's just citing what she knows at the time and what she knew wasn't up to date. Or she was being figurative. 'He's on house arrest' is their way of saying 'he not of use to us right now' because we learned in AM&TW that he wasn't Ant-Man for awhile. Shrug.

      BEJT wrote: Interesting, thank you! "24 to 36 hours". Kind of hoping for 36 because I'm assuming they won't really address Christmas, so that would help for them to just skim over Christmas Day. If they did address Christmas though, that would help make the Season 1 timeline concrete.

      You're welcome. And good point.

      BEJT wrote: I think there's good and bad news here. The good news is that this means no Infinity War problems (unless there's a time jump at some point), and it was the logical place to pick up. The bad news is that, considering the first season placed itself when it was coming out, there's the slight worry that they will do that again this time without thinking about it, despite the fact that it's set immediately after. So many films and TV shows do this, where the next instalment is set a short amount of time after the previous, but while the last one was set at the time it was coming out, so is this one somehow (Marvel themselves have done it, for example when they brought out Iron Man 2 and set it in 2010 when Iron Man, 6 months earlier, had placed itself in 2008, when they brought out Thor and it was set at the same time as Iron Man 2 but was set in 2011, when they brought out Spider-Man: Homecoming and set it in 2017 despite it being 2 months since Captain America: Civil War, and when The Punisher: Season 1 was a year after Daredevil: Season 2 but placed itself in 2017). It's also what the general public seem to assume a lot of the time, they don't consider the previous installment and just assume with present day-set franchises that everything's set in the year it comes out.

      So yeah, a little worried they'll be like "Yeah we know it's a day since Runaways: Season 1 but the evidence is now for December 2018 OK? Just don't worry about it." But hopefully it'll all be fine.

      Agreed.
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      Ant-Man and the Wasp (Mrmichaelt)

      In the The Empire Film Podcast spoiler special interviews, Stephen Broussard again said that they try not to date the Marvel films, saying that there is only "a couple of markers here and there", giving Howard Stark's death as an example of one of the few dates in the films. I know they mean this well - as Broussard said, they do it to make the films feel more "timeless", but it's a bit annoying when they say this, because it suggests that they're either not aware or choose to ignore the numerous dates and pieces of timeline evidence in their films.


      Runaways: Season 2 (Mrmichaelt, Edward Zachary Sunrose)

      It's interesting that they're releasing all 13 episodes at once this time instead of going week-to-week like last season. It'll be just like the Netflix stuff. It's kind of annoying because it can become a lot of work at once, but there's also some positives in that we get to deal with all the evidence at once.


      Additional: Cloak & Dagger SDCC Panel

      The Cloak & Dagger SDCC panel gave a little bit of extra evidence. Where I provide the links, I've put the timestamp into the URL to take you to that point in the video.

      • 16:22: Talking about the audition scene they did, "It was these two meeting in the graveyard, I think Gina very smartly just said, "You guys touched once when you were 8 years old, you changed each other's lives and then you never saw each other again, and this is you two reuniting."" This suggests they were both 8 in the flashbacks, although we know Tandy was 9. We can take this as just them generalising the age of the two of them and not wanting to take the time to say "8 and 9", as well as putting it down to the fact that this was at the audition stage before things got finalised.
      • 21:45: Not timeline evidence but Olivia gets a bit confused I think. She says Cloak and Dagger are mentioned in Jessica Jones: Season 2 and that therefore Jessica knows they exist, but I'm fairly certain they're not mentioned. I think she's getting confused with the Season 2, Episode 3 line, "Could this be any more cloak and dagger?" This is just the use of the real world phrase "cloak and dagger", and was maybe just written in partly as a subtle nod to the fact that there are Marvel characters called Cloak and Dagger. But it's not an in-universe reference to her knowing Cloak and Dagger. Besides, by that point, it's only been a couple of months since their season ended, and presumably in those couple of months they haven't suddenly become famous and/or known as "Cloak and Dagger".
      • 29:46: Olivia mentions 8 years. Obviously that's not in dispute but just yet another mention of "8 years" to add to the list.
      • 33:35: The bit that got quoted online, when someone asks a question about where it falls in the timeline in relation to Infinity War, and Jeph Loeb said, "I think one of the things that faces us as a challenge because of when the movies are made, when the shows are made, and the timing of everything... That the short answer is that the stories that you're seeing, unless otherwise noted, all happen before - sorry if this spoils somebody's life - what is affectionately referred to as "The Thanos Snap". And we'll continue to be in that place until we find out what happens in Avengers 4, because what we don't want to do is tell a story and then, in Avengers 4, something else happens, so that's sort of the easiest way for us to get around that."


      Additional: Iron Man 3 Wikipedia Page

      I'd had enough of the Wikipedia page for Iron Man 3 saying the main events were 2013. I created a Wikipedia account to correct this. Naturally, when I changed it to 2012 and gave a tonne of evidence, it nonetheless got reverted because 2013 is "what the film says", according to the users on there. But I'm fighting on the talk page to get it changed to "present day", which is exactly what the film says on-screen and is what all the other MCU films with prologues say on their Wikipedia articles. I don't mind if it doesn't say 2012, but it shouldn't say 2013.


      Personal Note

      It's my exam results day tomorrow morning (16 August 2018 07:30 BST, which is 02:30 New York/06:30 UTC), so I'm focused on that at the moment. It's not just results, it's about determining my university for the next few years and how my future shapes up. The next few years of my life get decided tomorrow so naturally, that's my focus at the moment. So sorry for a bit of inactivity in the last couple of days, and any inactivity in the coming couple of days.

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    • BEJT wrote: A few additional things I forgot to mention in my last reply:

      In the The Empire Film Podcast spoiler special interviews, Stephen Broussard again said that they try not to date the Marvel films, saying that there is only "a couple of markers here and there", giving Howard Stark's death as an example of one of the few dates in the films. I know they mean this well - as Broussard said, they do it to make the films feel more "timeless", but it's a bit annoying when they say this, because it suggests that they're either not aware or choose to ignore the numerous dates and pieces of timeline evidence in their films.
      I winced at that, too. A canon is either a strict timeline or Peanuts time. Can't pretend and say to the public it's Peanuts time when it's not. Especially when it was previously disclosed your company has a big scroll.

      BEJT wrote:

      It's interesting that they're releasing all 13 episodes at once this time instead of going week-to-week like last season. It'll be just like the Netflix stuff. It's kind of annoying because it can become a lot of work at once, but there's also some positives in that we get to deal with all the evidence at once.
      I missed that bit of info. Pity. I liked the weekly format of Runaways season 1 but not like I'm going to force myself to binge watch it all in a weekend. But good point about having all the evidence to go through at once.
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    • BEJT wrote:===Additional: Iron Man 3 Wikipedia Page===

      I'd had enough of the Wikipedia page for Iron Man 3 saying the main events were 2013. I created a Wikipedia account to correct this. Naturally, when I changed it to 2012 and gave a tonne of evidence, it nonetheless got reverted because 2013 is "what the film says", according to the users on there. But I'm fighting on the talk page to get it changed to "present day", which is exactly what the film says on-screen and is what all the other MCU films with prologues say on their Wikipedia articles. I don't mind if it doesn't say 2012, but it shouldn't say 2013.

      Ugh, just like this wiki with refusing to split Groot into two different characters despite Gunn constantly affirming that they are

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    • Avengers 4 lineup! :D

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    • The photo was outlining the heroes that survived the Thanos snap. Not sure why someone had to delete it.......

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote:
      The photo was outlining the heroes that survived the Thanos snap. Not sure why someone had to delete it.......

      No one deleted it. I can still see it. But it's also not relevant a discussion of a timeline?

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    • It is relevant, l posted it up for the sake of determining who would be a Skrull

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    • Deadpooled123 wrote: It is relevant, l posted it up for the sake of determining who would be a Skrull

      And who is a Skrull is not relevant to the timeline.

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    • Marvel's Insistence That There's Barely Any Dates (Mrmichaelt)

      Mrmichaelt wrote: I winced at that, too. A canon is either a strict timeline or Peanuts time. Can't pretend and say to the public it's Peanuts time when it's not. Especially when it was previously disclosed your company has a big scroll.

      Oh yeah, I briefly forgot about that scroll. Man, what is going on at Marvel with the timeline? I really hope they never release it.


      Groot Pages (Cornstomper)

      Cornstomper wrote: Ugh, just like this wiki with refusing to split Groot into two different characters despite Gunn constantly affirming that they are

      Yeah, I've never really understood that. Feige said once that it's the same character, Gunn insisted very strongly and firmly (and he's both the writer and director...) multiple times that they're separate. At least the page does say "offspring", but still, I don't understand why they're kept together.


      Deadpooled123's Image (Deadpooled123, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelous 345678, WinterWolverine)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: Avengers 4 lineup! :D

      Deadpooled123 wrote: The photo was outlining the heroes that survived the Thanos snap. Not sure why someone had to delete it.......

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: No one deleted it. I can still see it. But it's also not relevant a discussion of a timeline?

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: You cannot upload photos unrelated with the MCU productions.

      Deadpooled123 wrote: It is relevant, l posted it up for the sake of determining who would be a Skrull

      WinterWolverine wrote: And who is a Skrull is not relevant to the timeline.

      We do often get a little sidetracked into not talking about the timeline, usually just within long messages about mostly timeline-related stuff. It's good to try and keep this timeline-focused though. Mister Explicit did create the "Casual" thread a while ago to discuss non-timeline-related stuff. It didn't get used too much but it could be used again.

      Did you upload the image to the wiki? Because since it was an edit of a bunch of photos and not a screenshot/photo actually for the wiki, then uploading it wasn't the best thing to do because it was going to get taken down. If you're posting an image that's an edit or something like that, try to link it instead or embed it.

      (And I don't think anyone significant is a Skrull, I think the Skrulls will only be a very minor part of Avengers 4 if they even appear at all, because Avengers 4 is the ending of the culmination of 11 years of storytelling and has so much going on already that I don't think characters they introduced only 7-8 weeks prior will be relied on as a big part of the story.)


      Infinity War Timings

      I worked really hard on the Infinity War timing updates and all the notes for the events and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode events. It's not quite 100% done, because there's a few places I need to get slightly more specific. My specificity varies - in places where it matters down to the exact second and duration of the scenes, I have (mostly) worked it out down to the exact second and duration of the scenes, and in places where it doesn't matter too much what the exact time is because it's the only scene for half an hour or however long, I've just assigned a time give or take a few minutes and not adjusted exactly for the duration of the scene. However, in a few scenes, particularly on Thursday 29th, there is an overlap and I haven't quite been specific enough, so I'll get to doing that, but still, it's very accurate otherwise.

      Interestingly, the new timings slightly adjust the watch order. The middle of Episode 19 is roughly Wednesday 19:35. The middle of Episode 20 is roughly Wednesday 21:25. The middle of Episode 21 is roughly Thursday 04:27. The middle of Episode 22 is Thursday 08:01-02. The middle of Infinity War is roughly Thursday 08:04. So this would mean that the watch order is, in fact, 19, 20, 21, 22, Infinity War. However, with literally 2 minutes in it between the middle of Episode 22 and the middle of Infinity War, and the Infinity War events at that point being the main things I need to get a tiny bit more accurate over, I can't say for sure where Episode 22 or Infinity War comes first quite yet.

      Anyway, I thought I'd post the results (as they stand now, with a few tiny tweaks to come - I'll probably edit this post once I've made those tweaks so I'd appreciate it if the following bullet points were not quoted in a response). I've removed all the explanations here, but the explanations behind the timing of every single scene can be found in the full version here.

      28th

      • 13:00-13:10 - The Statesman.
      • 13:10 - The Bifrost sends Hulk flying through our Solar System to New York.
      • 13:10-11 - "Thanos is coming."
      • 13:14-16 - Pepper and Tony.
      • 13:18-21 - The discussion in the Sanctum.
      • 13:21 - Tony checks the phone.
      • 13:22-41 - The Q-ship arrives. Attack on Greenwich Village. Tony and Peter end up on the ship.
      • 13:42 - Bruce calls Steve.
      • 13:42-44 - The Guardians pick up Thor.
      • 13:49-55 - Thor wakes and tells them everything that happened.

      [Episode 19 - Option Two]

      • 17:45 - Talbot tries to sleep in the Lighthouse and mutters coordinates.
      • 17:45 - Coulson tells the team the plan to throw the gravitonium into the Sun. The team argue about Yo-Yo killing Ruby.
      • 17:50 - May and Daisy talk about what May has found from Caine.
      • 18:20 - Deke suggests a multiverse again. They discuss the possibility of him blinking out of existence.
      • 18:50 - Talbot continues to mutter coordinates. He calls for Coulson.
      • 19:00 - Coulson visits Talbot. He tells Coulson he must have given their location.
      • 19:05 - Qovas' ship arrives over the Lighthouse.
      • 19:05 - The team realise they are cut off from the world. Project: Reclamation is triggered, and Rick Stoner's video talks to them. Coulson selects the nuclear attack option before the alien invasion option shows. He accidentally locks them in for 15 years. Coulson tells the agents about the situation.
      • 19:08 - Qovas video calls them. Coulson says that in the current political climate, they'll probably get shot down.
      • 19:15 - Yo-Yo tries to explain her actions to Mack, who is not happy.
      • 19:18 - May tells Yo-Yo you can only learn to live with your actions.
      • 19:20 - Coulson wonders why Daisy isn't back by now. May reveals that she's gone dark to get information to save him. Yo-Yo thinks she killed Ruby for nothing.
      • 19:20 - Qovas prepares marauders.
      • 19:20 - Yo-Yo reveals her future self said they have to let Coulson die. Coulson realises the marauders can simply teleport in.
      • 19:20 - The marauders are sent.
      • 19:25 - The marauders arrive. Deke runs from them and hides in the vent as agents are killed.
      • 19:30 - Energy fluctuations occur. Deke tells them the marauders are already inside.
      • 19:35 - Deke tells them about the marauders. Coulson says they need to get Talbot out. Fitz tells Coulson there's an analogue override he needs to get to to get them out. Deke wonders why Daisy isn't back yet.
      • 19:40 - Daisy talks to Tony Caine. He gives her Centipede serum.
      • 19:40 - Yo-Yo gets Talbot out of his cell.
      • 19:40 - Fitz is attacked. Deke helps him, and they get to the override, where they find it ripped up.
      • 19:45 - Qovas sends more marauders.
      • 19:45 - Agent Kim goes to the armoury. Coulson decides to defend control. Yo-Yo has Talbot. Deke is fixing the elevator for the gravitonium. Fit tells them the aliens have EMPs, and they need combustible things to create light sources. "Let's light 'em up."
      • 19:50 - Yo-Yo and Talbot encounter marauders.
      • 19:50 - Deke panics and doesn't want to die.
      • 19:55 - Piper, Davis, and Simmons barricade themselves. Yo-Yo and Talbot arrive. Fitz tells Simmons on comms that Deke is still there, so Simmons feels they're safe. Yo-Yo heads out with Davis and Piper, leaving Simmons and Talbot as the last line of defence.
      • 19:55 - Mack joins Fitz and Deke. Marauders attack.
      • 20:00 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot into the dark. Yo-Yo leads the way, feeling she can't be killed.
      • 20:05 - Simmons realises they are surrounded. Talbot takes an I.C.E.R.. He sees the machine and I.C.E.s Simmons. Talbot then enters the machine.
      • 20:10 - Fitz has made a combustible cocktail. Deke calls Fitz "Gramps", which he doesn't appreciate. The doors rattle, but the noises stop and then come from above. The marauders enter and the team shoot.
      • 20:10 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot at the marauders attacking the lab. Yo-Yo is concerned that she can't get through to Simmons. The doors suddenly burst open and a marauder's blood is splattered. Graviton emerges.
      • 20:15 - The team are running out of ammunition and hand-to-hand fighting begins. Talbot enters and crushes the aliens.
      • 20:20 - Yo-Yo finds Simmons. They see the 100%-used machine.
      • 20:20 - Talbot lifts Coulson into the air, through the ceiling, and leaves with him. Rick Stoner's video tells them the planet is safe again.
      • 20:20 - Daisy digs up Jiaying's body.

      [Episode 20 - The One Who Will Save Us All]

      • 20:25 - Talbot and Coulson approach Qovas' ship. Talbot believes he can fix the situation.
      • 20:25 - The team at the Lighthouse are concerned that they can't help out, since the building has only just come back online.
      • 20:30 - A remaining marauder takes the odium and attacks Mack. Mack takes him down, and they take him prisoner.
      • 20:35 - Talbot claims the ship and crushes an alien, forcing the other aliens to kneel.
      • 20:35 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk about his fight with the rabid alien.
      • 20:40 - The marauder on odium becomes especially rabid, and then dies. Simmons decides she has to dissect him.
      • 20:40 - Talbot has everyone kneeling.
      • 20:45 - Coulson visits Hale on the ship and asks to team up.
      • 20:50 - Coulson and Hale return to the Remorath and talk about the Confederacy. Hale tells Talbot he is the only one who can save them all. She reveals that the aliens wanted gravitonium.
      • 21:00 - Fitz believes it could take hours to get the power working again, but Deke fixes the power quickly. Daisy calls. She's arriving.
      • 21:15 - Yo-Yo confronts Daisy on her return.
      • 21:20 - Yo-Yo and Daisy fight. May tells Yo-Yo to pitch in helping Coulson or leave.
      • 21:20 - Talbot has had a trim. Coulson tells him he looks pretty cool. Talbot is transported over to see the Confederacy.
      • 21:25 - The Confederacy. Talbot calls himself Earth's mightiest hero.
      • 21:25 - Deke goes to see Daisy. She tells him the bag contains her mother's body, and that someone seems to have pranked her by putting lemons on her bed. She talks about how people close to her die, including Lincoln. He reveals FitzSimmons are his parents.
      • 21:25 - Talbot asks to be added to the Confederacy. He kills one of the aliens, saying that now there is a space for him.
      • 21:25 - Mack fixes the Zephyr. Fitz walks in and they put the gravitonium in. Fitz tries to apologise, but Mack tells him to take a look at his actions.
      • 21:29-30/29th 02:29-30 Scotland - Scotland bedroom.
      • 21:30 - Simmons looks at the marauder's heart. Daisy drops off Jiaying's body, and convinces her to help by pointing out that they simply have to save Coulson.
      • 21:35 - Ready for take-off into space.
      • 21:35 - At the Confederacy, Kasius' father tells them Thanos is attacking.
      • 21:35 - Hale and Coulson look out at space.
      • 21:40-45/29th 02:40-45 Scotland - Edinburgh fight.
      • 21:45 - Talbot wants more gravitonium. He mentions he spoke to a Kasius. He forces Coulson to kneel, threatening his life.
      • 21:50 - The Zephyr reaches vertical burn. They get into space and start cloaking.
      • 21:55 - Simmons is happy in conversation with Fitz, but he's concerned. They look at the Centipede formula.
      • 21:55 - The Zephyr approaches the ship, then docks.
      • 21:55 - Talbot hears Quinn tell him how he found gravitonium in a mine. The aliens report that their hull has been breached.
      • 22:00 - Knowing it's S.H.I.E.L.D. who've arrived, Talbot turns on Coulson, feeling lied to. Hale lies for her own survival.
      • 22:00 - Talbot threatens Daisy when she enters, and lifts Coulson into the air. Hale says she trusts Daisy after she helped Ruby.
      • 22:00 - Hale attempts to use the Hydra conditioning to stop Talbot. He lowers Coulson, but then turns on Hale and crushes her, killing her.
      • 22:05 - Daisy tries to quake Talbot but fails. He takes her out and May has to surrender. Talbot calls them prisoners of war, believing he has finally realised S.H.I.E.L.D. were always the enemy.
      • 22:10 - Taryan takes Daisy with him.

      [Episode 21 - The Force of Gravity]

      • 22:15 - Taryan introduces himself to Daisy. He says he is her future.
      • 22:20 - Qovas tells Coulson and May they are prisoners of war. Qovas says to Talbot that all he wants is the gravitonium, and Talbot says he knows someone who may be able to help.
      • 22:25 - Fitz and Simmons discuss the Centipede serum, and how it might be able to save Coulson.
      • 22:30 - Deke, Davis, and Kim are talking. Talbot attacks, killing Agent Kim. Deke reports back to Mack about Kim's death. Talbot takes the Quinjet.
      • 22:35 - Yo-Yo and Mack realise without power, the Quinjet's tracker won't show up. Mack decides to try and force the tracker to work by remote.
      • 23:19 - Coulson and May discuss Talbot in their cell. Coulson feels responsible. May points out the absurdity that they have now come to care for Talbot. They discuss change. Coulson then begins to scan the wall.
      • 23:19 - Talbot visits Creel in hospital. He says he can help him.
      • 23:20 - Daisy talks to Taryan. She tries to attack him, but he reveals she is not conscious.
      • 23:21 - Fitz and Simmons tell Mack about their theory for possibly saving Coulson.
      • 23:22 - Coulson scans the wall and begins to theorise how to escape, when Deke arrives, letting them out.
      • 23:22-23:24 - Talbot offers Creel the option to join him. He absorbs Creel.

      29th

      • 00:40 - Mack and Yo-Yo look at the footage. Mack is sad for Creel's loss, and decides that Talbot might have to be put down.
      • 00:57 - Gamora asks Peter to kill her if Thanos gets her. Drax thinks he's mastered being invisible.
      • 01:55 - Daisy breaks the inhibitor and escapes from Taryan's men.
      • 03:11 - Fitz and Simmons discuss finishing the Centipede serum. Simmons suggests that the odium combined with the Centipede might be enough to stop Talbot.
      • 04:08 - Knowhere.
      • 04:27 - Deke, Coulson, and May wander the corridors. Deke doesn't know how to count in Kree language. They encounter Remorath, but as they prepare to fight, Daisy arrives.
      • 05:43 - Yo-Yo and Mack discuss Talbot and where he might have headed. Yo-Yo tells him what he said about wanting to fix things, and Mack realises Talbot might have gone home.
      • 06:50 - Arriving at the facility.
      • 06:53-55 - Rhodey's meeting.
      • 06:55:53-06:58:46 - Talbot arrives. George and Carla.
      • 06:57:05-06:58:46 - Qovas. Sneaking around. Kiss. Quake.
      • 06:57-59 - Discussing what to do about Vision.
      • 06:58:46-07:01:06 - George and Carla. The team arrive outside. Bullets don't work.
      • 06:59:41-07:01:06 - May and Deke fight.
      • 07:01:06-07:02:36 - Hiding behind the car. Talbot and George. Talbot flies away.
      • 07:01:15-07:02:36 - Davis. Quake.
      • 07:01:31-07:02:36 - The symbols. Qovas.
      • 07:02:36-07:03:03 - Coulson.
      • 07:02:36-07:04:07 - Kill Qovas.
      • 07:04:07-07:05:08 - Watching from the ship. Coulson collapses.
      • 07:05:08 - The Lighthouse at sunrise.
      • 07:21 New York/13:21 Wakanda - Wakanda. Bucky gets his new arm.
      • 07:22 - Save the world or save Coulson.

      [Episode 22 - The End]

      • 07:22 - Davis gives Coulson a blanket.
      • 07:22 - Deke talks to Piper.
      • 07:22-25 - The team debate what to do. May breaks the odium so they can only use the serum to save Coulson. Fitz tells them to prepare for the end of the world.
      • 07:25 - Talbot's ship flies in space.
      • 07:25-27 - Talbot asks Robin where the gravitonium well is.
      • 07:29-30 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk.
      • 07:32 - Talbot crashes into Chicago.
      • 07:32-33 - Yo-Yo talks to Coulson about why she had to suggest letting him die. He is understanding.
      • 07:32-34 - Daisy and Deke talk. Deke is heading off to travel. Piper alerts them about Chicago.
      • 07:36 - They take off for Chicago.
      • 07:36-38 - May, Simmons, and Coulson. Centipede left for him.
      • 07:37-38 - Talbot descends on Chicago. Finds a tiny bit of gravitonium.
      • 07:43 - Ebony Maw tortures Strange. Peter reveals he's still there. Using the vaccum. They decide to let the ship go to Titan.
      • 07:43-45 - The team plan. They appoint Mack. We save lives.
      • 07:50-51 - The police are struggling. S.H.I.E.L.D. call to announce their arrival.
      • 07:54 - Yo-Yo, Jemma, and Piper help people.
      • 07:54 - Mack, Fitz, and May run up the staircase.
      • 07:54 - Davis flies Daisy.
      • 07:55-56 - Mack, Fitz, and May help some people at the top of the staircase and find Robin. Mack goes in to get Polly from Talbot's ship.
      • 07:56 - Mack climbs up into the ship.
      • 07:56-58 - Daisy realises Coulson didn't take the serum. She leaves, angry with him. Someone films her shouting at him on the jet - the footage which would survive into the original future.
      • 07:58 - Mack goes through the tunnels and begins to try to save Polly.
      • 07:59 - Fitz comes back and May tells him where Mack is. He worries, reminding her that Mack and Polly don't make it in the future.
      • 08:01 - Mack gets Polly free. Two Remorath arrive.
      • 08:01-02 - Daisy tackles Talbot and tries to talk to him.
      • 08:02 - May and Fitz save Mack and Polly.
      • 08:02 - Davis goes to Coulson, who's collapsed again.
      • 08:02-03 - Talbot rejects Daisy's discussion, grabs her, and flies up into the air.
      • 08:03 - The group emerge from the ship with Polly, having rescued her.
      • 08:03 - Simmons and Yo-Yo help with Coulson.
      • 08:03 - Talbot crashes Daisy down.
      • 08:04 - The ground shakes from Talbot dropping Coulson. Rocks fall on Fitz.
      • 08:04 - Gamora says she hated her life. Thanos reveals he is torturing Nebula, until Gamora tells him the Soul Stone is on Vormir.
      • 08:04 - The Quinjet is shaken as well and Yo-Yo tries chest compressions on Coulson.
      • 08:04 - Talbot grabs Daisy to begin to absorb her.
      • 08:04-05 - Davis and Simmons rush to help Coulson. Yo-Yo goes into super-speed with her compressions.
      • 08:05 - Mack removes rock.
      • 08:05 - Daisy finds the serum and injects it.
      • 08:05 - Yo-Yo compresses. Coulson stirs.
      • 08:05 - Daisy breaks free and fires Talbot upwards.
      • 08:06 - Coulson wakes and Simmons and Yo-Yo are relieved.
      • 08:06 - Mack frees Fitz from the rock.
      • 08:06 - Daisy lies in the crater. Talbot floats into space.
      • 08:06-08 - Fitz doesn't realise he's losing a lot of blood. He tells Mack he can't feel his legs as he slowly dies, upsetting Mack greatly.
      • 08:18 - Simmons is helping Coulson when Mack arrives to deliver the news. Her face falls.
      • 08:26 - Thor laments everything he's lost. Rocket gives him a new cybernetic eye. They arrive in Nidavellir and meet Eitri.
      • 08:41 - An "In remembrance of" plaque is carved.
      • 08:41 - Simmons packs things at the Lighthouse.
      • 08:42 - Yo-Yo and Mack hug.
      • 08:43 - Simmons takes Fitz's tool from his cell.
      • 08:43 - Daisy burns Robin's drawings.
      • 08:43 - May hammers the White Monolith apart.
      • 08:48 - Nebula escapes and contacts Mantis.
      • 09:08 - Deleted scene on Knowhere.
      • 09:48 - The Q-ship crashes on Titan. The Guardians meet Tony, Peter, and Strange.
      • 10:10 - Eitri shows them the mould for Stormbreaker.
      • 10:20 - Davis puts up the plaque.
      • 10:33 - The two teams on Titan discuss plans. "Kick names, take ass." Strange returns from seeing 14 million futures.
      • 10:55 - Vormir.
      • 11:17 - Arriving in Wakanda.
      • 11:18-19 - Landing in Wakanda.
      • 11:27-29 Shuri and Banner. The Outrider ships begin to crash down.
      • 11:39-41 - Thor uses Rocket's ship to start moving the rings of Nidavellir. The forge starts up but then breaks. He dives in to hold it.
      • 11:41-45 - The group prepare in Wakanda. Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight approach. The Outriders are unleashed. Charge.
      • 11:43-46 - Thor holds the forge. Stormbreaker is forged. Groot makes the handle.
      • 11:48-49 - The battle continues. Thor arrives.
      • 11:48-55 - Thanos gets to Titan. Strange greets him. The group all attack. They try to get the gauntlet off, but Star-Lord loses control. Thanos throws the moon at them.
      • 11:52-58 - Rocket and Bucky team up. Steve talks to Thor and Groot. The underground mining vehicles erupt from the ground. Wanda goes to the battlefield but Corvus Glaive then attacks Shuri. Hulkbuster fights Cull Obsidian. Vision and Steve fight Corvus Glaive. The women fight Proxima Midnight and Scarlet Witch kills her. Vision kills Corvus Glaive.
      • 11:55-12:00 - Spider-Man grabs the Guardians as the moon crashes down on them. Strange takes on Thanos. Thanos attacks Iron Man, who does everything he can to fight back. Thanos stabs Tony, and Strange gives Thanos the stone in return for sparing Tony.
      • 11:56-59 - Drinks and celebration for Coulson's departure. Hitia'a Tahiti. 6113.856.
      • 11:59 - Davis wipes the plaque.
      • 11:59-12:03 - Coulson with Simmons, drinking, hugging. Says goodbye to Daisy. Steps out to the sand.
      • 12:00-07 - Thor continues to fight. Vision senses Thanos coming. The team all fail against Thanos. Vision tells Wanda to destroy the stone, and she does. Nonetheless, Thanos reverses Vision and takes the stone. Thor hurls the axe, but Thanos survives.
      • 12:05 - The team set up and begin to take off.
      • 12:05-06 - Coulson and May on the beach.
      • 12:06 - "Where to next?"
      • 12:06 - The end.
      • 12:07 - Soul World.
      • 12:07-09 - The snap effects (will expand on exactly how everything fits concurrently).
      • 12:10 - "Oh God."
      • 12:14 - An emergency broadcast is sent out. The ant still plays the drums.
      • Thanos smiles.


      The Defenders Is Finally Complete

      I've finally completed the checks of Marvelous' writeups of The Defenders: Season 1, and it's all on the 2016 page. There's something nice about the fact that this has been completed on exactly the 1-year anniversary of the show's release, because it means we never fell more than 1 year behind. With Inhumans: Season 1 already done, we're now up to The Punisher: Season 1 as the furthest-back content that isn't complete, so only 9 months behind. Of course, I'm working through it all and intend to continue to catch up more and more in the next few weeks, but yeah, that's a good chunk that's complete, taking us 3 months further towards being all caught-up.


      Luke Cage: Season 2 Notes

      Sorry for the delay on my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes, I lost some of my work and I'm taking a long time to very meticulously pick out every detail so the notes are 100% complete and perfect, so I never have to add to them or improve them, and so I can always revisit them and not have to actually rewatch whole episodes if I ever one day need answers about something. And I want to just post all 13 episodes' notes at once. They're still coming.


      My Exam Results

      Went well and I'm happy and my university is sorted. We'll see how that affects my schedule and freedom on the wiki come late September - it could improve my term-time freedom a bit or it could restrict it a bit, but I'll definitely still be regularly on here.

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    • Congratulations, bro!! Really happy for you.

      P.S.: You are not going to have time for nothing... Hahahaha. Neither do I. I haven't even started to rewatch Season Five of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I stayed on Episode 12 and I don't think that my notes are necessary anymore now that you sorted it all.

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    • I completely disagree with you on all ends BEJT because if the Skrulls are minimal, they will be wasted in this regard. Are you seriously begging for a repeat with the villain characters in Thor: The Dark World because it seems you're leaning to this preference more than anything. The Skrulls will play a good amount of significance in A4 as Sam Jackson has stated he's understood why Captain Marvel is released so soon prior to A4 (in their relation in a supposedly 24 year gap in the MCU Timeline). 

      Also, remember that when Iron Man and Doctor Strange meet for the first time - the flip phone clearly states Wed 1.21pm which is in NY time. 

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    • It is not important for the Timeline Thread. I am very sure that the Skrulls are going to be minimal on Avengers 4, will be a minor situation being more important Thanos' story.

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    • We've already established the picture wasn't vital to the Timeline thread....

      Has anyone seen Rogue One? That movie slotted the gap prior to A New Hope, not an overly important film but was extremely vital to explaining the events prior. This is what will happen with Captain Marvel displaying such questions as: 

      What exact year is Captain Marvel set in during the '90's? Where has Captain Marvel been this whole time? Why is Captain Marvel released before Avengers 4 when it's place in the timeline is the 1990's?? How will Captain Marvel and A4 link together through the Quantum Realm? 

      If there are any minor stories in the MCU, they normally shifted to television statuses such as Inhumans. Captain Marvel obviously has a MAJOR implication on how the events of Avengers 4 will play out and Avengers 4 makes more sense to be a story about dealing with the consequences of Thanos's snap rather than Thanos himself. Having an repeat of more heroes against Thanos seems reptitive and boring. The Skrulls will have a huge impact on A4 especially when you have to regard that one of the surviving heroes has manipulated events to go accordingly as specific likewise to mere coincidences. Avengers 4 is concluding a premise of 22 films and with Captain Marvel being 21, it will be the film closest post Infinity War addressing it's events to solve a part of A4. If you're going to use infiltrators being Skrulls and waste them, it seems VERY POINTLESS... Think of Mission Impossible with the face swaps, just that Captain Marvel will contain harder comprehension of whose who! 

      Point being: If the Skrulls are minor in A4, Captain Marvel will be minimal as well being a waste. There's a lot of explainations that film will intertwine with being AoS seasons, Avengers films, Civil War etc. 

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    • University (Marvelous 345678)

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Congratulations, bro!! Really happy for you.

      P.S.: You are not going to have time for nothing... Hahahaha. Neither do I. I haven't even started to rewatch Season Five of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I stayed on Episode 12 and I don't think that my notes are necessary anymore now that you sorted it all.

      Well I went to a really demanding secondary school (the name for U.K. schools for 11-18) but I found the time. With more personal independence and freedom at university, it's possible that I will find more time in my day to pop in on here.


      Infinity War Timings (Deadpooled123)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: Also, remember that when Iron Man and Doctor Strange meet for the first time - the flip phone clearly states Wed 1.21pm which is in NY time. 

      Yeah, I put it at 13:21:

      BEJT wrote:

      • 13:18-21 - The discussion in the Sanctum.
      • 13:21 - Tony checks the phone.
      • 13:22-41 - The Q-ship arrives. Attack on Greenwich Village. Tony and Peter end up on the ship.

      The only time that had to be ignored was the 10:54 in Fury's car because of sunrise/sunset times but also just the fact that both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Infinity War's events mean that really, it cannot be earlier than 12:00. All the explanations for the times are here.


      Skrulls (Deadpooled123, Marvelous 345678)

      Deadpooled123 wrote: I completely disagree with you on all ends BEJT because if the Skrulls are minimal, they will be wasted in this regard. Are you seriously begging for a repeat with the villain characters in Thor: The Dark World because it seems you're leaning to this preference more than anything. The Skrulls will play a good amount of significance in A4 as Sam Jackson has stated he's understood why Captain Marvel is released so soon prior to A4 (in their relation in a supposedly 24 year gap in the MCU Timeline). 

      Marvelous 345678 wrote: It is not important for the Timeline Thread. I am very sure that the Skrulls are going to be minimal on Avengers 4, will be a minor situation being more important Thanos' story.

      Deadpooled123 wrote: We've already established the picture wasn't vital to the Timeline thread....

      Has anyone seen Rogue One? That movie slotted the gap prior to A New Hope, not an overly important film but was extremely vital to explaining the events prior. This is what will happen with Captain Marvel displaying such questions as: 

      What exact year is Captain Marvel set in during the '90's? Where has Captain Marvel been this whole time? Why is Captain Marvel released before Avengers 4 when it's place in the timeline is the 1990's?? How will Captain Marvel and A4 link together through the Quantum Realm? 

      If there are any minor stories in the MCU, they normally shifted to television statuses such as Inhumans. Captain Marvel obviously has a MAJOR implication on how the events of Avengers 4 will play out and Avengers 4 makes more sense to be a story about dealing with the consequences of Thanos's snap rather than Thanos himself. Having an repeat of more heroes against Thanos seems reptitive and boring. The Skrulls will have a huge impact on A4 especially when you have to regard that one of the surviving heroes has manipulated events to go accordingly as specific likewise to mere coincidences. Avengers 4 is concluding a premise of 22 films and with Captain Marvel being 21, it will be the film closest post Infinity War addressing it's events to solve a part of A4. If you're going to use infiltrators being Skrulls and waste them, it seems VERY POINTLESS... Think of Mission Impossible with the face swaps, just that Captain Marvel will contain harder comprehension of whose who! 

      Point being: If the Skrulls are minor in A4, Captain Marvel will be minimal as well being a waste. There's a lot of explainations that film will intertwine with being AoS seasons, Avengers films, Civil War etc. 

      I'm going to reply to this on the Casual thread.

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    • Awesome, it's good to see those calculations. Thanks for doing all the hard math once again BETJ. So just to clarify, there is only one main spot that you need to make more specific? So I can start putting together where Infinity War fits with those episodes by timecodes and just make small adjustments when you complete it?

      Also, what age do you think Gamora is in the deleted scene "A Father's Choice" where Thanos congratulates a young Gamora for her victory? I'm guessing about 18, placing the scene somewhere in 2009.

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    • Fantastic writeup for the IW/AoS timing, BEJT, but I'm curious if you'd kept in mind the sunrise/sunset for Chicago.

      Since Chicago is an hour behind New York, Talbot would be arriving there at 06:32 Central Time, and the sunrise on March 29 is 06:38.

      It doesn't make too much difference anyway (maybe 5-10 minutes). If you did consider it, but the timing makes it impossible for Chicago to be a few minutes later, then feel free to disregard this.

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    • Do you know when or where it was confrmed that Nick Fury and Maria Hill scene on Infinity War takes place on Chicago?

      If it is truth then it can connect to AoS Season 5 in-universe speaking.

      We know the battle between Quake and Graviton was in Chicago, a few hours before the Battle of Wakanda. Graviton's ship was seen. And when Fury and Hill talk about the ships in Wakanda they compare the signal to the one in New York , what if they are in Chicago because they heard of Graviton's ship and wanted to know if it is the same. Connections unintended.

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    • Marvelous 345678 wrote:
      Do you know when or where it was confrmed that Nick Fury and Maria Hill scene on Infinity War takes place on Chicago?

      If it is truth then it can connect to AoS Season 5 in-universe speaking.

      We know the battle between Quake and Graviton was in Chicago, a few hours before the Battle of Wakanda. Graviton's ship was seen. And when Fury and Hill talk about the ships in Wakanda they compare the signal to the one in New York , what if they are in Chicago because they heard of Graviton's ship and wanted to know if it is the same. Connections unintended.

      I'm referring to the events in Chicago in AoS season 5. In BEJT's timeline, Talbot arrives in Chicago at 07:32 (Eastern Time), which means it is 06:32 in Chicago because it is one time zone behind New York. The sunrise in Chicago on March 29 is at 06:38 (or 07:38 Eastern Time), so I was wondering if that had been taken into account when making the timeline.

      But if Chicago can't be any later than it already is, then my question can be diregarded.

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    • Yeah bro... I wasn't speaking about the Timeline intel that you were proposing... I was talking to everyone in this thread so they could read my theory about why Fury and Hill were in Chicago. Though, I don't know where it was confirmed that the post credit scene happened in Chicago

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    • CirUmeUela wrote: Awesome, it's good to see those calculations. Thanks for doing all the hard math once again BETJ. So just to clarify, there is only one main spot that you need to make more specific? So I can start putting together where Infinity War fits with those episodes by timecodes and just make small adjustments when you complete it?

      Also, what age do you think Gamora is in the deleted scene "A Father's Choice" where Thanos congratulates a young Gamora for her victory? I'm guessing about 18, placing the scene somewhere in 2009.

      I would say everything up to Steve's team getting back to the facility/Talbot getting back home right after sunset on the Thursday is definitely in the right order. There's just some minor tweaks to make after that.

      I haven't actually watched all the deleted scenes yet, sorry. They can sometimes be hard to find in full and I just haven't really bothered yet. I think I saw a bit of that, is he using the Reality Stone to show her younger self to her, when she worked for him in the Black Order? It's probably closer to only about 10 years ago I'd say literally from the few seconds I've seen but I'll have to watch it properly.

      Speaking of deleted scenes, apparently the "August 27th" wedding date was a reference to Robert's real wedding date.


      64SuperNintendo wrote: Fantastic writeup for the IW/AoS timing, BEJT, but I'm curious if you'd kept in mind the sunrise/sunset for Chicago.

      Since Chicago is an hour behind New York, Talbot would be arriving there at 06:32 Central Time, and the sunrise on March 29 is 06:38.

      It doesn't make too much difference anyway (maybe 5-10 minutes). If you did consider it, but the timing makes it impossible for Chicago to be a few minutes later, then feel free to disregard this.

      Thank you! No, I didn't, slipped my mind sorry, I appreciate you reminding me. I didn't think that it might not work, I think after I'd finished working out all the scenes squeezed in at dawn in Episode 21, my mind just went "Great, sunset's over it's all just daytime now." I'll have to adjust it by a few minutes. The events are already incredibly tight and only fit in before 12:07 by the skin of their teeth, only a mere few minutes' leeway. So this could really push it, but I can just about make it work so that Talbot arrives after sunrise. I'll update that in my tweaks. Also, because that will likely push the main Chicago scenes a few minutes forward, that's the kind of thing that could therefore mean the middle of Episode 22 is actually just after the main events of Infinity War, because right now the middle scene of The End is only like a couple of minutes before the middle scene of Infinity War. So the watch order might, in fact, be 19, 20, 21, Infinity War, 22.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Do you know when or where it was confrmed that Nick Fury and Maria Hill scene on Infinity War takes place on Chicago?

      If it is truth then it can connect to AoS Season 5 in-universe speaking.

      We know the battle between Quake and Graviton was in Chicago, a few hours before the Battle of Wakanda. Graviton's ship was seen. And when Fury and Hill talk about the ships in Wakanda they compare the signal to the one in New York , what if they are in Chicago because they heard of Graviton's ship and wanted to know if it is the same. Connections unintended.

      That was weird, that Chicago has been put as the location for that scene. It was filmed in Atlanta and I've seen some people say it's set in New York, but yeah, I would assume one of the two. I don't know where Chicago is coming from. I removed its mention from the 2018 page until I see confirmation.

      Yeah, when someone mentioned on the discussions section recently that Chicago was listed as the location, I thought of that too. While in one way it's weird because Chicago should be in chaos (maybe they're just not too close to the chaotic part of the city and it has been a few hours), it would also kind of make sense for why they are there, if they headed there to deal with the aftermath of the Chicago events, or if indeed as you have suggested, they're there to find out if it's connected to New York.

      Obviously if there is that connection, like you say, it would be unintended and coincidental. But still, would be fun.

      However, I'd still like to know where this "Chicago" mention came from. Because I don't know where that was ever said.


      64SuperNintendo wrote: I'm referring to the events in Chicago in AoS season 5. In BEJT's timeline, Talbot arrives in Chicago at 07:32 (Eastern Time), which means it is 06:32 in Chicago because it is one time zone behind New York. The sunrise in Chicago on March 29 is at 06:38 (or 07:38 Eastern Time), so I was wondering if that had been taken into account when making the timeline.

      But if Chicago can't be any later than it already is, then my question can be diregarded.

      I think it just caused Marvelous to remember a thought he had about Chicago, he wasn't talking about the Talbot scene's timing.


      Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah bro... I wasn't speaking about the Timeline intel that you were proposing... I was talking to everyone in this thread so they could read my theory about why Fury and Hill were in Chicago. Though, I don't know where it was confirmed that the post credit scene happened in Chicago

      Right, exactly (this was posted as I was writing my response).

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    • Well if the post credit scene was filmed in Atlanta then the Chicago thing must be removed from all the articles until further confirmation because I don't really know if that was confirmed and I think is not correct.

      However, I would wish it was truth as it would be fun to have Fury and Hill investigating Graviton's situation.

      Now that I think about it, Lang and van Dyne and Hank and Janet didn't care at all about the Black Order attack in NY xD. That caused a lot of panic and they didn't even intervene xD

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    • The Fury and Hill scene (from what I've heard) is placed in Chicago because all of the cars have Illinois plates? But I thought it was meant to be New York lol

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      CirUmeUela wrote: Awesome, it's good to see those calculations. Thanks for doing all the hard math once again BETJ. So just to clarify, there is only one main spot that you need to make more specific? So I can start putting together where Infinity War fits with those episodes by timecodes and just make small adjustments when you complete it?

      Also, what age do you think Gamora is in the deleted scene "A Father's Choice" where Thanos congratulates a young Gamora for her victory? I'm guessing about 18, placing the scene somewhere in 2009.

      I would say everything up to Steve's team getting back to the facility/Talbot getting back home right after sunset on the Thursday is definitely in the right order. There's just some minor tweaks to make after that.

      I haven't actually watched all the deleted scenes yet, sorry. They can sometimes be hard to find in full and I just haven't really bothered yet. I think I saw a bit of that, is he using the Reality Stone to show her younger self to her, when she worked for him in the Black Order? It's probably closer to only about 10 years ago I'd say literally from the few seconds I've seen but I'll have to watch it properly.

      Alright cool. Do you think there will be any more segments? As in pieces of Infinity War and SHIELD? I made a list with your current times and there are 30 segments together, lol.

      And here's that deleted scene I was referring to.

      Also, he post-credit scene in Infinity War was definitely filmed in Atlanta. I took a closer look and it seems to definitely take place in Atlanta as well. The Rialto theater sign is from Atlanta and the only license plate I could make out was a Georgia plate.

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    • Fury and Hill Credits Scene (Edward Zachary Sunrose, CirUmeUela)

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The Fury and Hill scene (from what I've heard) is placed in Chicago because all of the cars have Illinois plates? But I thought it was meant to be New York lol

      CirUmeUela wrote: Also, he post-credit scene in Infinity War was definitely filmed in Atlanta. I took a closer look and it seems to definitely take place in Atlanta as well. The Rialto theater sign is from Atlanta and the only license plate I could make out was a Georgia plate.

      Yeah that's what the user on the discussion section said - that there's a Georgia plate. So I don't know about any Illinois plates, but yeah, with that Rialto thing as well, sounds like Atlanta then.


      Also, just as yesterday I was going through my canon content blog and thinking, "Hmm, wonder when the next prelude comic's coming and how they'll do one for Captain Marvel," and just as Marvelous mentioned the theory that they were in Chicago because of Talbot...

      Marvel's Captain Marvel Prelude - Part One coming November (makes sense, they tend to release the first issues of these 3-4 months before the film) and will detail what Fury and Hill were doing before the post-credits scene, and how Captain Marvel ties in with it all.


      Infinity War Timings (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Alright cool. Do you think there will be any more segments? As in pieces of Infinity War and SHIELD? I made a list with your current times and there are 30 segments together, lol.

      And here's that deleted scene I was referring to.

      There shouldn't really be more segments, I'm just making the exact timings slightly more specific. The actual minutes from 12:00 on the Thursday onward, the lead-up to and fallout from the snap, I didn't put too much effort into, because I knew I'd get more specific. So I'm going to break down the exact order of those concurrent scenes (Tahiti, Wakanda, Titan, San Francisco) scene-by-scene or possibly even shot-by-shot, but obviously it's up to you how specific you want to get when using that as a resource.


      Infinity War Deleted Scene (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: And here's that deleted scene I was referring to.

      Thanks for the link. They haven't made much of an effort to make Gamora look younger, so I'd say it's not too many years before Guardians of the Galaxy. However, she comes across as a bit more content with her life with Thanos than in Guardians of the Galaxy, at which point she's really not happy and goes over to the Guardians' side pretty fast. So maybe 5 years before Guardians of the Galaxy, around 2009?

      Are you intending on placing the bit before he reveals it's the Reality Stone, like it's a flashback?

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      CirUmeUela wrote: And here's that deleted scene I was referring to.

      Thanks for the link. They haven't made much of an effort to make Gamora look younger, so I'd say it's not too many years before Guardians of the Galaxy. However, she comes across as a bit more content with her life with Thanos than in Guardians of the Galaxy, at which point she's really not happy and goes over to the Guardians' side pretty fast. So maybe 5 years before Guardians of the Galaxy, around 2009?

      Are you intending on placing the bit before he reveals it's the Reality Stone, like it's a flashback?

      Yes, I'm using that bit as a flashback. I've done that with a few things, like Tony Stark's last memory of his parents as shown in the BARF machine. I just cut that out right before his mom starts speaking to him when the memory changes to how he wishes it went.

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    • Yeah. Shabook checked it and the plate is from Atlanta not Chicago. But in the MCU it could be Chicago, who knows if Captain Marvel events adresses my theory. Could be crazy right? Plus, not impossible as Ant-Man and Civil War had an expanded material in WHiH which connected to the wider MCU, especifically, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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    • BEJT wrote:

      I'm going to break down the exact order of those concurrent scenes (Tahiti, Wakanda, Titan, San Francisco) scene-by-scene or possibly even shot-by-shot, but obviously it's up to you how specific you want to get when using that as a resource.

      I hope not much changes, because I re-arranged my chronological cut to play these scenes over one another cutting in between and the way it syncs up is absolutely awesome. Especially when Tony and Vision get stabbed literally at the exact same time, non-intentionally. The whole fight scene's intercutting is awesome to watch.

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    • Cornstomper wrote:
      BEJT wrote:

      I'm going to break down the exact order of those concurrent scenes (Tahiti, Wakanda, Titan, San Francisco) scene-by-scene or possibly even shot-by-shot, but obviously it's up to you how specific you want to get when using that as a resource.

      I hope not much changes, because I re-arranged my chronological cut to play these scenes over one another cutting in between and the way it syncs up is absolutely awesome. Especially when Tony and Vision get stabbed literally at the exact same time, non-intentionally. The whole fight scene's intercutting is awesome to watch.

      Wait, you have a chronological cut? That moment specifically sounds really cool, I'd love to see that.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cornstomper wrote: I hope not much changes, because I re-arranged my chronological cut to play these scenes over one another cutting in between and the way it syncs up is absolutely awesome. Especially when Tony and Vision get stabbed literally at the exact same time, non-intentionally. The whole fight scene's intercutting is awesome to watch.
      Wait, you have a chronological cut? That moment specifically sounds really cool, I'd love to see that.

      Si, a cut of the whole MCU that has a Captain Marvel sized hole in season 1.

      This post mostly expains it 

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    • Does anyone here by chance have the Phase One and/or Phase Two box sets? I'm trying to find a list of all the extra deleted scenes that are exclusive to the box sets but the internet isn't helping much. I think I have a list of most of them, but I want to make sure that I have them all listed.

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    • Gamora Deleted Scene (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Yes, I'm using that bit as a flashback. I've done that with a few things, like Tony Stark's last memory of his parents as shown in the BARF machine. I just cut that out right before his mom starts speaking to him when the memory changes to how he wishes it went.

      OK, well yes, if I had to guess, I would say about 5 years before Guardians of the Galaxy. So that would be roughly during Iron Man, after the Ten Rings find Tony's armour in the desert, before we then see Tony working on the Mark II's legs. I know it's very rough but there's not really much to go by, and it's about as comfortable a placement as we're going to get.


      Infinity War Timings (Cornstomper)

      Cornstomper wrote: I hope not much changes, because I re-arranged my chronological cut to play these scenes over one another cutting in between and the way it syncs up is absolutely awesome. Especially when Tony and Vision get stabbed literally at the exact same time, non-intentionally. The whole fight scene's intercutting is awesome to watch.

      That stuff shouldn't have changed because relative to each other, those scenes were fixed with how they overlapped. Plus the end scenes had fixed times anyway. The second pass at the timings was just about pinpointing the scenes set distributed between fixed scenes. I finished it a little while ago (I might just break down some of the overlapping scenes into shot-by-shot for people who want an exact linear order, but the times are final). It's all here.

      Also, for anyone who's interested, the final time for the middle scene of Infinity War was 07:54:27-08:00:23, and the final time for the middle scene of The End was 08:08:59-08:09:49. So the final watch order would be 19, 20, 21, Infinity War, 22.


      Box Sets for Deleted Scenes (CirUmeUela)

      CirUmeUela wrote: Does anyone here by chance have the Phase One and/or Phase Two box sets? I'm trying to find a list of all the extra deleted scenes that are exclusive to the box sets but the internet isn't helping much. I think I have a list of most of them, but I want to make sure that I have them all listed.

      No, sorry. I understand your difficulty, I think at one point in the past I tried to list all the deleted scenes and got a bit lost with random ones showing up that I hadn't heard about before or weren't present on my DVDs, and I decided pretty quickly that it wasn't worth it for what I was doing (not saying it's not worth it in general).

      My suggestion would be to maybe keep a list of any deleted scenes you see mentioned on any articles, even if they're unsourced, and then sort of tick them off once you've found the source. You might find that the remainder are most likely ones from the box sets.

      Other suggestions: Try using Chrome search tools to limit the dates of your search to only dates after the announcement of each box set, so stuff from before then is filtered out unless it was reposted a few years later. And maybe try things like Amazon product descriptions, announcement descriptions, or YouTube unboxing videos (although, granted, they're more likely to look at all the props and things rather than watching the deleted scenes).

      You've probably tried a lot of that already but just in case, that's the advice I can give. Sorry, yeah, I don't have the box sets.


      Far from Home Cast in My Area

      While some of the cast have been in Venice and some are in London at the moment, at the very least, Tony Revolori and Jacob Batalon are still around in my area. My sister saw Zendaya, Tony Revolori, and Jacob Batalon a few weeks ago, and a friend of mine saw Tony and Jacob just yesterday. It's so weird!


      Luke Cage Notes

      Finally, much later than intended (for several reasons - busyness with other projects, tedium slowing me down, repeatedly losing work, starting late because of a big delay to my watching of the season due to exams and then the World Cup), I've finished my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes. I've got a little bit more editing to do on it to neaten it up and finalise a few details, and then I'll post them on this thread tomorrow, just in time to be a day ahead of Iron Fist: Season 2's release.

      Warning: It will be a long message, and there's not much need to read it all. What happened with Jessica Jones: Season 2 was that I posted the notes as I went along, so the message wasn't very long to begin with and it just grew as the thread continued further down, not getting in the way. This will also happen with Iron Fist: Season 2. It would have happened with Luke Cage: Season 2, if not for the fact that I had to wait to start watching it.

      It's the way I do these Netflix shows now, this thread's a good place to dump all my notes, until I get my major project going properly. But yeah, usually it wouldn't be particularly intrusive, because I'm just editing an old message as I finish things off, but in this one case, it will have to post all together in one go. It will list every scene, every bit of evidence in each scene, breakdowns of evidence for the main placement, how many days since other episodes, references to other events taking place, real life references, times of day, etc., working out if there are potential gaps during the episodes to slot in any necessary jumps in time, reposting the list of scenes now with the structure of the days that are definitely and not definitely grouped together, and finally working out the exact dates of everything. It's just like the Jessica Jones: Season 2 notes.

      So just forewarning. Read as much or as little of it as you want. But at the end of the message, it will have the dates of everything. I'll update my past dates blog in the next day or two as well to finish up the work on Luke Cage: Season 2 as Iron Fist: Season 2 comes out.


      Iron Fist: Season 2 and Other Upcoming Netflix

      Like with Jessica Jones: Season 2, I'll post my notes message as I start watching it, and I'll just repeatedly update it as I go along and add more and more detail. It might take me about 7 or 8 days to watch the whole season because I'm very busy next week, but I'll be watching it from the day of release nonetheless. Then no Marvel releases until November, the most likely date for Daredevil: Season 3.

      Speaking of which, I updated my Predicting Marvel Netflix Release Dates blog, and it would suggest that Daredevil: Season 3 will be with us on Friday, November 16, 2018. It would also suggest that The Punisher: Season 2 will be out in March 2019 and Jessica Jones: Season 3 will be out in June 2018.

      And in terms of timeline, it predicts that Iron Fist: Season 2 will be set around December 2017, Daredevil: Season 3 will be set around January 2018, The Punisher: Season 2 will be set around April 2018, and Jessica Jones: Season 3 will be set around July 2018. I'm fairly sure The Punisher: Season 2 will be out before Avengers 4, and Jessica Jones: Season 3 will be after, so The Punisher: Season 2 could end up being the only one that's a bit problematic with setting itself post-Infinity War in a time when we don't know what the world looks like post-Infinity War because we haven't seen Avengers 4. But it depends on whether Infinity War's placement changes and when The Punisher does in fact place itself.


      The Comic Board

      On a sombre note, when I returned to the The Comic Board thread the other day for the first time in a couple of months, so as to catch up, I was shocked to instead find the news that DIrishB, the main user behind that timeline, passed away suddenly at the age of 36 on August 18, 2018 from a blood clot in his lung. Some of us may have had disagreements with TCB in the past but I'm sure we can all put that aside because this truly is a tragedy for him and his family. He was fair and enjoyed debating with me in my short time talking to them on that thread, and was hardworking and devoted to his timeline. He was civil and level-headed and seemed like a good guy. My full message to the thread about his sudden and shocking passing can be found here. I thought I would let you guys know because a few of you will be aware of him and our discussions with him. Unexpected and sad news, may he rest in peace.

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    • I didn't expect to hear that. I have been out of everything because I need to focus my life. I am putting everything aside until I can deserve to have so fun. My life has been a mess the last few months. I have been irresponsible and that has come to bite me in the *ss. I have decided some hard things to do like erasing all social media and I have just decided to come here to see how is everything going on and that just slapped me into my face. I am in a state of shock. It took me 20 minutes to be able to write something. I am 18 years old. I know what is death, but you never expect to come as soon as it happened to DIrishB... That is sad. I am so depressed. I only can pray for him and to be in good hands. I am sure he is. It is a shame he didn't achieve to see the Marvel movies he wished for. I might not agree with him in plenty of things but I will try to mourn him on my own.

      About his timeline, I think it is not something to talk about it now. And maybe never. It is just a timeline for fiction and it was HIS work. I will suggest to not change it. Maybe not expanding it. Abd not move thins around. It has to be preserved. I will suggest not to change it.

      Now... I don't know you by name. I only know Elledy92 and I am very sure that you may know my name. This last three years I have been cooperatinf in here and met all of you. And even if I don't know you, you are a part of my life and I am so greatful to have known you. You may say I am exagerating but I am not. We have a bond thanks to the MCU and timeline co workers and if I know you by name and we live on the same street I would invite you to take a drink. All of you take care. And that his passing has to be taken as a lesson that life can be short sometimes and even unfair. So live every day as your last with every piece of your hearth. That is my wish for you all. We will keep in touch my good friends. Blessings!!

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    • BETJ, yes, I've tried all that with the box set deleted scenes. I probably spent too much time looking for them, lol. I found most of them through articles I think, but a few remain unverified. This wiki has a list of deleted scenes, but there are no sources and it is not said if they are on the original blu ray or only on the box sets. Also some of the "deleted" scenes that they listed were never filmed in the first place, they are just concepts that got dropped before filming began. But I am taking all the deleted scenes listed on this wiki and marking them off as I either verify them as avalable on some blu ray or as never being filmed in the first place.

      And that is truly sad news about DIrishB. That's way too young. May he rest in peace and his family and friends be comforted at this difficult time.

      Also Marvelous 345678, for sure dude! Pretty much all of my MCU friends are online, lol.

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    • CirUmeUela, the same for me xD

      Sokovia gets mentioned in episode 7. Finally other MCU reference rather than the Incident.

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    • Luke Cage: Season 2 notes.

      Day (Notes about relation to other days) [Rough day from main events starting]

      • Episode and rough timings.
        • Evidence pertaining to the season's placement.
        • Evidence about the day-to-day breakdown.
          • Evidence pertaining to other placements.
            • Small things like times and things revealed to exist in the MCU like a celebrity or a film.

      If there's a potential break in time (even if unlikely) I'll note it, just in case it's necessary later on. I'll delete it though if, then, it's later said that something happened earlier that day or last night or whatever. In the brackets with question marks notates when it seems to be taking place, assuming no later information.

      How the Potential Gaps Work

      • Continuation of a scene - 100% eliminates a gap.
      • Implied to the point where it would be ridiculous to not have a gap - 100% eliminates the gap.
      • 2 people's normal clothing being the same as before - 100% eliminates the gap.
      • 3 people's very basic clothing being the same as before - 100% eliminates the gap.
      • 1 person's very unique clothing being the same as before - 100% eliminates a gap.
      • Very much implied - 75% eliminates the gap.
      • 2 people's very basic clothing being the same as before - 75% eliminates the gap.
      • 1 person's normal clothing being the same as before - 75% eliminates the gap.
      • Reasonably firmly implied - 50% eliminates the gap.
      • 1 person's very basic clothing being the same as before - 50% eliminates the gap.
      • Somewhat implied - 25% eliminates the gap.

      Notes

      [Episode 1 - Soul Brother #1]
      - - - -MLC 2,1 a- - - -

      • Luke takes down people selling "Luke Cage" heroin.

      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,1 b- - - -

      • James Lucas talks about Luke Cage. Footage is shown of Luke getting a smoothie and scaring thugs, Ridenhour pinning up a photo of Luke, and Luke taking a selfie with children. This isn't concurrent though, since either side of this scene is Luke in the AACA hoodie, and there is also Season 1 footage, so it works as just a montage. Misty is shown brushing her hair with one hand, which probably is present.
            • Barack Obama exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 4, 1961.
            • Martin Luther King Jr. exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born January 15, 1929.
            • Malcolm X exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born 1925.
      • D.W. talks to Bobby. The press come in to try to see Luke, but they send the man away. Luke comes in from the back.
            • Howard Bingham exists in the MCU. Born May 29, 1939.
        • Luke is coming in with the bullet-hole-riddled AACA hoodie from the night before, and they're discussing how it was "that kind of night" - it's the night after the opening. This eliminates MLC 2,1 b.
      • Bobby and Luke talk about the rent problems.
            • The Break the Internet event exists in the MCU - was November 12, 2014. Rather not put that on the timeline though.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 c- - - -

      • 12:27 - Misty and Claire bounce a ball and discuss her arm.
            • 12:27 shown on the clock.
        • Claire's still studying Misty's arm and Misty's not used to it, suggesting it's not long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.
          • Matt is still presumed dead, which presumably means Marvel's Daredevil: Season 3 hasn't happened yet.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 d- - - -

      • Shades picks up Comanche as he is released from prison.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 e- - - -

      • Misty tells Luke she is done with getting involved in action.
        • Misty's wearing the same top as earlier (basic clothing only), suggesting it's the same day. This would eliminate MLC 2,1 d and e - 50% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 f- - - -

      • Piranha meets with Mariah and Shades to discuss inside information he has about Atreus Plastics, and how an investment will make them money.
            • Dat's Jazz by Donald Harrison exists in the MCU. Very little information available about the song, though. Donald Harrison exists in the MCU. Born June 23, 1960.
        • Not much has happened with Mariah and Shades since Season 1, suggesting it hasn't been too long.
            • The Graduate exists in the MCU. Released December 22, 1967.
            • The Dow Chemical Company exists in the MCU. Founded 1897.
        • The Black Enterprise magazine has a "May/June 201?" date but it could be 6 or 8. If it's 2018, that would suggest it's now at least April 2018. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (14:21 - 1:00) = 13:21 of about (56:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:00, so should look about 25.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • The magazine's release date, whatever it is, should be placed on the timeline. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Black Enterprise exists in the MCU. First issue 1970.
          • The age gap between Mariah and Shades is such that people assume they are aunt and nephew.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 g- - - -

      • Luke and Claire eat together and discuss his hero status and making money. A boy asks for a selfie.
        • Luke is discussing the moment he asked the drug dealer "What's my name?" suggesting he and Claire are catching up, and it was the previous night. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,1 b, and would eliminate MLC 2,1 c, d, e, f, and g. MLC 2,1 c, f, and g 25% eliminated, and MLC d and e a further 25% eliminated.
      • Misty drinks by herself. Shades has Comanche beat up the waiter who mistook him for her nephew. Luke and Claire dance.
        • This is just after the waiter spoke to Mariah and Shades. This eliminates MLC 2,1 g.
      • Luke and Claire sleep together.
      • Luke gets up in the night to go and help the streets.
      • Luke comes across Sugar. He claims to be reformed after having a daughter and gives Luke information. Luke knows he's lying about something, so he scratches his car before he goes.
        • Luke thinks Sugar might have had a prison stint since he last saw him. While it turns out he hasn't, the fact that Luke thinks he could have suggests it's been some time since Season 1.
      • Luke sees his father, James, for the first time since he left prison. They are hostile with each other, and part ways.
          • Luke's mother died during his time at Seagate, which we have placed in 2013 (with the earliest it can start being late 2012, when Shades went to prison, and the latest it can finish being late 2013, a few months before Reva's death). [Needs to be revisited.]

      At least next day. - - - -MLC 2,1 h- - - -

      • Mariah hires Stephanie, getting her to call herself "Billie" from now on.
        • Stephanie is due to start tomorrow. Whenever we see her working, it will have to be at least the next day.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 i- - - -

      • Bushmaster asks Sheldon about Harlem. He decides to take Brooklyn first.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 j- - - -

      • D.W. comes back from a funeral and talks to Luke about the drugs being traded in Harlem. Together with Bobby, the three work out that Luke's El Tercero lead goes back to a man called Arturo Gomez III, now known as Arturo Rey III and running the company "Merlin".
            • Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates exists in the MCU. Released September 24, 2015. Ta-Nehisi Coates exists in the MCU. Born September 30, 1975.
          • The girl who died was 15, so born about 15.5 years before the date of this scene.
          • Lordy! front cover from a recent New York Bulletin.
          • Protest Turned Brofest front cover from a recent New York Bulletin.
        • It's possible that the Merlin advert has an expiry date or some sort of date. Waiting for HD screencap, at about (29:40 - 1:00) = 28:40 of about (56:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:00, so should look about 54.1% through the gallery when it comes out.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 k- - - -

      • Joi performs at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah watches as Mark Higgins gets handsy with Stephanie.
            • No Grey Matter (Not Because You Owe Me) by Joi exists in the MCU. Very little information online about the song before Marvel's Luke Cage: Season 2. Joi exists in the MCU. Born January 25, 1971.
        • Stephanie has begun work at Harlem's Paradise, so this is at least the day after she was hired.
      • Shades tells Mariah about their potential buyers.
            • Jean-Michel Basquiat exists in the MCU. Born December 22, 1960.
      • Luke walks towards the club.
      • Joi continues to perform. Comanche and Cockroach talk about her and about Shades and Mariah.
            • What If I Kissed You Right Now? by Joi exists in the MCU. Released March 19, 2002 on Star Kitty's Revenge.
            • William Shakespeare exists in the MCU. Born April 1564.
            • Niccolò Machiavelli exists in the MCU. Born May 3, 1469.
            • Tupac Shakur exists in the MCU. Born Lesane Parish Crooks June 16, 1971.
      • The buyers talk with Mariah. Cockroach says he wants to encourage "black black" over other black residents in Harlem, such as the Jamaicans.
      • Luke arrives at the club. He knocks out Comanche and confronts Mariah. She points out that Claire is in the club, and he should be careful. He is surprised to see her there and worries for her, and chooses to leave.
        • Mariah speaks like she hasn't seen Luke since he got out of prison, suggesting it's not been long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.
      • Joi performs her next song. Luke and Claire walk home and argue about her putting herself in danger for him. They make up and kiss.
            • I Love You Forever, Right Now by Joi exists in the MCU. Released March 28, 2006.

      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,1 l- - - -

      • Sugar calls Luke to let him know about a shipment Arturo Rey will be involved in. He then calls Rey to let him know that Luke has taken the bait.
        • The book Luke is reading is Charcoal Joe by Walter Mosley, which was released June 16, 2016, so we're after that.
            • Charcoal Joe by Walter Mosley exists in the MCU. Released June 16, 2016. Walter Mosley exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born January 12, 1952.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 m- - - -

      • Misty bumps into Cockroach at the grocery store. He taunts her about Scarfe and harasses her.
            • The "Make America Great Again" campaign exists in the MCU. Registered as a service mark July 14, 2015.
            • Foxwoods Resort Casino exists in the MCU. Opened July 5, 1986.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 n- - - -

      • Mariah drinks for Mama Mabel's birthday. Shades visits and they discuss Arturo and Cockroach.
          • Mama Mabel's birthday is whichever date this scene takes place on.
            • He Needs Me by Nina Simone exists in the MCU. Released 1958 on Little Girl Blue. Nina Simone exists in the MCU. Born February 21, 1933.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 o- - - -

      • Luke arrives at the Merlin truck. Rey explodes it, but Luke walks out fine. Rey then shoots him with a Judas bullet, but it barely slows Luke down, to the surprise of both of them. Luke takes out Rey. D.W. reveals himself and tells Luke he's been filming it all. Luke films a video for any people threatening Harlem.
        • Follow-up on Luke's supposed tip-off from Sugar, so presumably the same day - especially since Sugar didn't give a date, implying he meant for Luke to surmise that it was that day. This would eliminate MLC 2,1 m, n, and o. 75% eliminated.
            • Waze exists in the MCU. Released 2006.
      • Misty goes to Ridenhour to ask for her job back. Luke arrives in his burned hoodie with Rey over his shoulder. Ridenhour tells him he needs to stop getting involved, but Luke asks instead for the police to improve.

      - - - -MLC 2,1 p- - - -

      • Nigel returns home to find Bushmaster. Bushmaster is angry that Nigel is doing business with a Stokes and starts a fight, slicing open Nigel's head and taking all the gunfire from Nigel's men, with the bullets only lodging in his skin. He takes them all out.
      • Luke goes to Mariah with the failed Judas bullet and drops it on her table. He tells her never to threaten Claire again, saying that he will kill her if she does, and he leaves.
        • Luke is still in the burned hoodie, so this is still the same night. This eliminates MLC 2,1 p.

      [Episode 2 - Straighten It Out]
      - - - -MLC 2,2 a- - - - At least next day.

      • Claire inspects Luke's skin, and comes to the conclusion that the second bath at Dr. Burstein's has made him even more indestructible.
        • No reason that Luke and Claire would wait to look at his skin - presumably still the same night. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 a. 75% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 b- - - -

      • Luke arrives at the Harlem Jets training ground to test his physical abilities.
          • Banner says "Seving Harlem's Youth Since 2009".
            • Michael Smith exists in the MCU. Born August 1, 1979.
            • Jemele Hill exists in the MCU. Born 1975.
            • Todd Bowles exists in the MCU. Born November 18, 1963.
            • Jasmine Alexander exists in the MCU. No birthday available.
            • A "Shefter" is mentioned but I don't know who that is. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Luke performs different sports and exercises and surpasses world records.
            • A "Deion" is mentioned but I don't know who that is. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Usain Bolt exists in the MCU. Born August 21, 1986.
        • SC6 is on that night, and the show started on February 6, 2017. It also ended February 2, 2018, although that was likely something that couldn't have been predicted during filming, so it's not necessarily the intention that this evidence would place it before February 2, 2018. Still, ideally, it would fall between those dates, and it should be after February 6, 2017.
        • SC6 is on that night, making it a weekday.
            • SC6 exists in the MCU. If this is after February 2017 then the real world date can be added that it first aired February 6, 2017.
            • Nike, Inc. exists in the MCU. Founded January 25, 1964.
            • Adidas exists in the MCU. Founded July 1924 as Gebrüder Dassler Schuhfabrik.
            • Under Armour exists in the MCU. Founded 1996.
      • Luke takes selfies with kids. Claire smiles, but then becomes concerned.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 c- - - -

      • Claire tells Luke that she's worried there could be something worse than a Judas bullet. He insists he'll be fine.
        • No reason that Claire would wait to tell him her worry - presumably still the same morning. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 c. 75% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 d- - - -

      • 09:25 - Mariah demands to know why the Judas didn't work.
        • "Alternative facts" are referenced, which became a thing on January 22, 2017, placing this after then.
            • The "alternative facts" term exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). If this is after January 2017 then the real world date can be added that it was first used January 22, 2017.
        • Mariah is asking about the bullets, suggesting heavily that this is the morning after Luke dropped it on her desk. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 a, b, c, and d. MLC 2,2 b and d 75% eliminated, and MLC a and c a further 75% eliminated.
            • Shades says it's "not even 09:30", so it's about 09:25.
            • Jean-Michel Basquiat exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born December 22, 1960.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 e- - - -

      • Misty reunites with Nandi, but wants her old desk back. She reunites with Bailey as well.
          • Misty was a year behind Nandi at high school.
            • DeWitt Clinton High School exists in the MCU. Established 1897. Thus DeWitt Clinton exists in the MCU. Born March 2, 1769.
        • Misty is still trying to wrap her head around losing her arm, again suggesting not long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 f- - - -

      • Bushmaster walks through town. He recently got the bullets out of his chest, but it's edited as if it were a bit earlier. He encounters some children playing like they are Luke Cage, and asks who he is. They show him the video and he tells them that Luke just better not test him. He goes to Gwen's restaurant.
        • Edited like Bushmaster only got the bullets out of his chest mere hours ago, suggesting that this is the morning after he killed Nigel. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 a, b, c, d, e, and f. MLC 2,2 e and f 25% eliminated, and MLC a, b, c, and d further 25% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 g - - -

      • James enters Pop's and is still unpleasant with Luke. He leaves and Claire arrives. Luke explains about his father, and Claire thinks he should be more positive, wanting him to be happier about reconnecting with his father.
        • Claire and Bobby are in the same clothes as earlier, heavily suggesting that this is the same day as the fitness events. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 c, d, e, f, and g. MLC 2,2 g 75% eliminated, and MLC 2,2 c, d, e, and f further 75% eliminated.
            • Frederick Douglass exists in the MCU. Born c. February 1818.
            • Twitter exists in the MCU. Founded March 21, 2006.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 h- - - -

      • Misty goes to Arturo Rey's interrogation but Nandi tells her to leave. Bailey convinces her to go for it. Misty goes in to interrogate Rey, but Donovan arrives and has him sprung. Ridenhour scolds her.
        • Bailey's ID may have dates on it. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (13:55 - 1:00) = 12:55 of about (55:01 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:51, so should look about 24.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Michael Jordan playing for the Washington Wizards happened in the MCU. First game October 30, 2001. Thus Michael Jordan exists in the MCU. Born February 17, 1963.
      • Misty calls Luke about Rey being sprung. He goes out "to fumigate".
        • Claire, Bobby, and Luke are all in the same clothes as earlier, meaning this is the same day as when James entered the shop. This eliminates MLC 2,2 h.
      • Luke hangs a man upside down for information.
      • Luke goes to the gym and applies extra mass to a man's weights as well as bending the bar, to pressure him for information as well. He gives the name Drea Powell.
      • Bushmaster talks to Anansi in Gwen's. He says he needs more nightshade.
        • Follow-up on previous Bushmaster scene. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,2 h and eliminates MLC 2,2 g.
            • Youth Suffer by Clayton Hibbert exists in the MCU. Released December 19, 2014 on Nuit de la Glisse Presents Addicted to Life (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack). Clayton Hibbert exists in the MCU, but very little information exists about them. By extension, Nuit de la Glisse: Addicted to Life exists in the MCU. Released November 28, 2014.
        • Bushmaster's chest is bleeding following his wounds from the night before. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,2 g and h and eliminates MLC 2,2 a, b, c, d, e, and f.
        • A football ("soccer") game is on in the background, but no idea who is playing.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 i- - - -

      • Mariah's lawyer tells her that to regain popularity, she should reconnect with her estranged daughter.
            • Nicky Barnes exists in the MCU. Born October 15, 1933.
          • Nicky Barnes was active when Mariah was "a kid".
          • Mariah was last seen publicly with Tilda at her first campaign run 12 years ago.
            • Michelle Obama exists in the MCU. Born Michelle LaVaughn Robinson on January 17, 1964.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 j- - - -

      • Shades and Comanche go after Rey. Shades becomes angry at him and shoots him.
            • American Gigolo exists in the MCU. Released February 1, 1980.
            • Barita Magic by 5 Alarm Music exists in the MCU. Very little information about the song, though. Thus 5 Alarm Music exists in the MCU. Very little information about them, though.
      • Misty stands up in the precinct and tells everyone to stop picking on her about her arm. Rey's murder is reported in.
        • Misty is in the same clothes as earlier, suggesting it's the same day as Rey being sprung. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 i and j. 75% eliminated.
        • There might be some dates on the screens in the precinct. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (25:06 - 1:00) = 24:06 of about (55:01 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:51, so should look about 46.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Misty looks at the scene of Rey's murder. She talks to Luke outside and gets an address on Drea Powell.
        • Luke is in the same hoodie as earlier (basic clothing only), suggesting it's the same day as him getting information from people. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 i and j. Further 50% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 k- - - -

      • Mariah visits Tilda at Mother's Touch, but Tilda is hesitant to reconnect with her.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 l- - - -

      • Luke goes to the Powells' house and talks to the son, but Drea turns him away. An elderly neighbour calls him over to tell him Dontrell spends time at a dice game.
        • No reason why Luke would wait to follow up on the address, suggesting it's the same day as him being given the address. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 k and l. 50% eliminated.
      • Shades tells Mariah that he had to kill Arturo. He promises he'll sort the money for Piranha.
        • Shades, Comanche, and Mariah are all in the same clothes as earlier, and Shades would want to tell Mariah pretty quickly, which means it's all the same day. This eliminates MLC 2,2 k and l.
      • Luke goes to Cockroach's warehouse/club. He confronts Cockroach, but Cockroach fires into his shoulder and blasts him out of the window.
            • DJ Mister Cee exists in the MCU. Born Calvin LeBrun on August 17, 1966.
      • Bobby talks to Claire about his daughter. Luke calls Claire about his shoulder.
      • Claire fixes Luke's shoulder. They begin to argue, with her saying he is blaming his father too much for the things that go wrong in his life.
            • Lethal Weapon exists in the MCU. Released March 6, 1987.
      • Bushmaster buys nightshade from Tilda.
        • Tilda is in the same clothes as earlier, which suggests it's the same day. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,2 l.
        • Bushmaster is in the same clothes as earlier, including the bloodstains, which means it's still the same day. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,2 k and l, and eliminates MLC 2,2 i and j.

      - - - -MLC 2,2 m- - - -

      • Gary Clark Jr. performs at Harlem's Paradise. Shades promises Mariah he'll make up the rest of the money. Nandi watches within the club. Misty looks at a photo Nandi took. Tilda arrives to talk to Mariah, leaving Shades shocked.
            • If Trouble Was Money by Gary Clark Jr. exists in the MCU. First performance I can find is June 27, 2008. Gary Clark Jr. exists in the MCU. Born February 15, 1984.
      • Gary Clark Jr. continues to perform. Luke walks. Claire attends James' service. Bushmaster takes the nightshade. Cockroach attacks Drea. James tells an old Cherokee story.
            • Bright Lights by Gary Clark Jr. exists in the MCU. Released August 23, 2011 on The Bright Lights EP.
            • The King James Bible exists in the MCU. Published 1611.
        • The Powells are wearing the same clothes as earlier, and there's no reason Dontrell would wait to become angry with Drea, which means it's still the same day. This eliminates MLC 2,2 m.
      • The elderly neighbour calls Luke. He runs to the Powell home. Gary Clark Jr. continues to perform.
      • Luke breaks into the Powell home and attacks Dontrell. However, he becomes too aggressive and badly injures him. He releases him and takes a moment to consider his actions.

      [Episode 3 - Wig Out]

      • Claire helps deal with Dontrell and his family.
      • Misty arrives on the scene and says that she just wants to smooth out the situation. Luke tells her he still has to deal with Nigel.

      At least next day. - - - -MLC 2,3 a- - - -

      • Bushmaster wakes with two women in his bed. He talks to Sheldon, who tells him Arturo is dead.
        • Newspaper reporting on Arturo Rey's death would suggest this is only the day after. This would eliminate MLC 2,3 a. 75% eliminated.
          • Death of a Salesman newspaper that day.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 b- - - -

      • Tilda plays on Cornell's keyboard. She sits to eat with Mariah. Shades enters and pulls her aside
          • The last time Tilda say at the table, she was 10.
          • Mama Mabel was still alive during Tilda's lifetime. It's implied that she was possibly still alive when Tilda was 10.
      • Mariah and Shades.
        • Mariah says "Piranha said we need the money, all of it, in 48 hours." It's unclear when this "48 hours" would have started, but it sounds like she might have been told that in the last few hours or so, meaning that their deadline is just under 48 hours from now. This could affect future day breakdowns.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 c- - - -

      • Luke looks at his charts, then lays down to rest.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 d- - - -

      • Misty talks to Cockroach in his hospital bed. He's rude to her again, winding her up, just as Nandi and Bailey enter. Nandi tells her to leave.
            • Joi exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born January 25, 1971.
      • Bobby finds Luke asleep. He talks about Claire, when Claire enters. She explains that she didn't call the police, but is worried that Luke is becoming too brutal.
        • Continuation of Luke laying down to rest. This eliminates MLC 2,3 d.
        • Claire says Luke "didn't come home", meaning this is still only the night after he attacked Cockroach. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 d, and eliminates MLC 2,3 a, b, and c.
            • Nike, Inc. exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Founded January 25, 1964.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 e- - - -

      • Ridenhour scolds Misty for letting Luke go.
        • No reason why Ridenhour would wait to scold Misty, very much suggesting this is still the day following the attack on Cockroach. This would reaffirm the elimination of MLC 2,3 a, b, c, and d, and would eliminate MLC 2,3 e. 75% eliminated.
            • Saving Private Ryan exists in the MCU. Released July 24, 1998.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 f- - - -

      • Luke visits Gwen's and asks the Jamaicans about Nigel, but they tell him to go away.
            • Usain Bolt exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 21, 1986.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 g- - - -

      • Shades goes to visit Nigel but finds Bushmaster and Sheldon. They show him Nigel's severed head, but ask Shades to convince them to join the deal.
      • Luke tails Mouse, following him as he heads back to Bushmaster.
        • Follow-up on previous Luke scene. This eliminates MLC 2,3 g.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 h- - - -

      • Mariah holds a fundraiser and Tilda comes.
            • I Know You Know by Esperanza Spalding & Leo Genovese exists in the MCU. Released May 20, 2008 on Esperanza. Esperanza Spalding exists in the MCU. Born October 18, 1984. Leo Genovese exists in the MCU. Born 1979.
            • Barack Obama exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 4, 1961.
            • There are photos up of historical people, but I haven't had the chance to check who everyone is. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • Bad and Boujee is referenced, and it was released October 28, 2016, suggesting we're after that.
            • Bad and Boujee exists in the MCU. Released October 28, 2016.
            • "Ahab" is mentioned but I don't know what that's a reference to. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,3 i- - - -

      • Misty trains with Colleen, who wants her to stop treating herself like a cripple. They leave to drink.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 j- - - -

      • Claire visits James and asks him for advice on how to help Luke, without revealing that she's talking about James' son, although he begins to suspect when she accidentally says "Luke". He tells her she needs to find her purpose if she wants to help her boyfriend find his.
            • Titanic exists in the MCU. Released December 19, 1997.
      • Mouse gets back to the warehouse and Luke follows, confronting the Yardies. One-by-one, they attack Luke and fail. Bushmaster watches on, learning his fighting style.
        • Follow-up on Luke following Mouse. This eliminates MLC 2,3 h, i, and j.
      • At the fundraiser, Mariah gives a speech about her Family First initiative.
        • Follow-up on Mariah's fundraiser. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 i and j.
            • Shirley Chisholm exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Shirley St. Hill on November 30, 1924.
          • Mariah met Jackson on the quad at Howard. He was 8 years older and had just graduated Howard Medical School. They eloped and he went to Nicaragua. She found out she was pregnant on the day she found out he was killed.
            • Howtard University College of Medicine exists in the MCU. Founded 1868. By extension, Oliver Otis Howard exists in the MCU. Born November 8, 1830.
      • Misty and Colleen are drinking together when they're approached by a man called Morty, trying to flirt. He becomes hostile when he realises Misty got his brother arrested. A fight breaks out and Misty learns to manage without her right arm.
        • Follow-up on Misty and Colleen going to drink. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 j.
            • Trip into the Light by Jeremy & the Harlequins exists in the MCU. Posted online September 19, 2013. Jeremy & the Harlequins exist in the MCU. Can't find information about when they formed.
            • The British Library exists in the MCU. Established 1973.
            • The Library of Congress exists in the MCU. Established April 24, 1800.
            • Thomas Hardy exists in the MCU. Born June 2, 1840.
            • Geoffrey Chaucer exists in the MCU. Born c. 1343.
            • The Ford Mustang exists in the MCU. Began production March 1964. By extension, Ford Motor Company exists in the MCU. Founded June 16, 1903.
            • Clinton Correctional Facility exists in the MCU. Opened 1845.
            • Atropa Belladonna Blues by Majestico exists in the MCU. Posted online November 21, 2013. Majestico exists in the MCU. Can't find information about when he was born.
        • Misty says it's the second time she's been called a b***h that day, meaning it's the same day as the hospital scene with Cockroach. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 g, h, i, j, and eliminates MLC 2,3 e and f.

      - - - -MLC 2,3 k- - - -

      • Bushmaster mixes more nightshade while he studies Luke's fighting style.
      • Mariah meets with Mark Higgins and blackmails him with the footage of him with Stephanie/Billie. Tilda arrives, having not said bye after the Family First speech. She tells her mother that she'll give her one more chance.
        • The merger is tomorrow, which may be relevant.
          • If the merger is not shown, then it can be added as the day after this.
            • Ritz Crackers exists in the MCU. Founded 1934.
            • Media Take Out exists in the MCU. Launched January 2006.
            • WorldStarHipHop exists in the MCU. Launched August 9, 2005.
            • Tilda has come from the Family First incident. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 i and j, and eliminates MLC 2,3 k..
      • Luke gets home and he and Claire begin to argue. He insists that brutality is necessary, but Claire tells him he's changing because of his violence. He says that he will be feared anyway, buts he tells him to rise above racism. He wants to be able to use his anger to connect with violent people. She feels he's blaming others for his pain, and reveals that she went to see James. He loses control and punches the wall and Claire realises she needs space and time away.
            • Crime Partners by Donald Goines exists in the MCU. Published 1974.
        • Claire says she saw James "today". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 k.
        • Claire says she was dealing with the Cockroach incident "this morning". Presumably she's referring to it being in the early hours of that day. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,3 a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, and k, and means that the new day actually begins before the Cockroach incident and not after.
      • As Luke walks following the argument, he is suddenly attacked by Bushmaster.

      [Episode 4 - I Get Physical]

      • D.W. goes to Luke as Bushmaster attacks him. Luke loses to him, and D.W. films as Bushmaster announces himself for the citizens of Harlem.
            • Baskin-Robbins exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Founded 1945.
            • Dunkin' Donuts exists in the MCU. Founded 1950.
            • H2O Wireless exists in the MCU. Founded 2005.
            • Simple Mobile exists in the MCU. Founded 2009.
            • Go Smart Mobile exists in the MCU. Launched by T-Mobile February 19, 2013.
            • Lycamobile exists in the MCU. Founded September 2006.
            • T-Mobile exists in the MCU. Founded September 18, 1990.
            • One more logo that I can't make out.
            • Canon EOS 5D exists in the MCU. Released October 2005.
      • D.W. and other citizens help Luke up.
            • Shabba Ranks exists in the MCU. Born January 17, 1966.
      • Bobby helps Luke as he gets back to the barber shop.
            • Eric Benét exists in the MCU Born Eric Benét Jordan on October 15, 1976.

      - - - -MLC 2,4 a- - - -

      • Nandi is messing around when Bailey finds the video of Luke. Misty is unimpressed with his excitement.
            • And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going by Jennifer Holliday exists in the MCU. Released February 25, 1982 on Dreamgirls (Original Broadway Cast Album). Therefore Jennifer Holliday exists in the MCU (later explicitly mentioned). Born October 19, 1960. By extension, Dreamgirls exists in the MCU. Opened December 20, 1981.
        • Nandi's ID may have some sort of date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (06:44 - 1:00) = 05:44 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 11.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • The video has just come out of Luke's beatdown and there's been no news about it that has reached anyone yet, suggesting this is the same night. This would eliminate MLC 2,4 a. 50% eliminated.
        • The YouTube video doesn't seem to have a visible date, but will have to check to be sure. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (06:53 - 1:00) = 05:53 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 11.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Mike Tyson exists in the MCU. Born June 30, 1966.
            • The Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas fight exists in the MCU. Happened February 11, 1990. By extension, Buster Douglas exists in the MCU. Born James Douglas on April 7, 1960.
          • Misty was "5" at the time of the Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas fight on February 11, 1990. Therefore she was born February 12, 1984-February 11, 1985.
            • Ronda Rousey exists in the MCU. Born February 1, 1987.
        • Amanda Nunes vs. Ronda Rousey has happened, making this later than December 31, 2016.
            • The Amanda Nunes vs. Ronda Rousey fight exists in the MCU. Happened December 31, 2016.

      Next day.

      • 10:00 - Piranha visits Mariah to talk about their success with Mark Higgins. Comanche walks in and plays the video of Luke being taken down. Definitely no gap after the precinct scene because the video's still only just out.
            • I don't know if "B***h better bring my money" is meant to be a reference to B***h Better Have My Money by Rihanna.
            • It's "10AM".
        • Again, the video only just came out and the news hasn't spread wide until now, suggesting this is the day after the beatdown. This would eliminate MLC 2,4 a. Further 50% eliminated.
            • ESPN exists in the MCU. Launched September 7, 1979.
      • Luke is also watching the ESPN video at the barber shop.
        • First Take is on, meaning it is a weekday.
            • First Take exists in the MCU. First aired May 7, 2007.
            • Muhammad Ali exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. on January 17, 1942.
            • Joe Frazier exists in the MCU. Born January 12, 1944.
            • Oscar De La Hoya exists in the MCU. Born February 4, 1973.
      • Luke finds D.W. selling DVDs of his beatdown. D.W. tells him he saw Claire leaving his home.
        • Very much implies this is only the night after the argument with Claire. This would eliminate MLC 2,4 a. Further 75% eliminated.
            • Ben Carson exists in the MCU. Born September 18, 1951.
            • Howard Bingham exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born May 29, 1939.
      • Shades asks to talk to Mariah, having noticed that she recognised the name Bushmaster. Shades says he thinks he's after her. All Shades, Mariah, and Comanche are all in the same clothes, no gap.
      • Luke gets to Claire's apartment and finds out it's been sublet.
      • Shades leaves Comanche to guard Harlem's Paradise. Comanche teases Shades for his relationship with Mariah. Mariah watches on.
      • Leaving Claire's apartment, Luke finds Misty waiting. She wants Luke to come to Brooklyn with her to follow a lead.
          • Could be dates on the file. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (17:47 - 1:00) = 16:47 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 32.7% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • They pull up in Brooklyn. Misty won't let Luke stay at her place. She gears up before they head in.
        • Misty's car has a "9 18" sticker. If it's a 1-year sticker, that would make it between September 2017 and September 2018. It could be a 2-year sticker, which would make it between September 2016 and September 2018.
            • Iyanla Vanzant exists in the MCU. Born Rhonda Eva Harris on September 13, 1953.
            • Aliens exists in the MCU (has been revealed before), including Ripley (which is odd considering Sigourney Weaver just played their villain last year). Released July 18, 1986.
            • The Terminator exists in the MCU (has been revealed before), including Sarah Connor. Released October 26, 1984.
      • On entering the warehouse, Misty and Luke find herbs from "Mother's Touch" and then Nigel's headless body. They realise Misty has to report it in.
      • 18:25 - Comanche tells Mariah he learned about stocks during his imprisonment, and that Piranha might be scamming her. They're both in the same clothes and this is while he's guarding Harlem's Paradise, so no gap.
            • Comanche's watch seems to say 6:25. Would be PM.
            • Bernie Madoff exists in the MCU. Born April 29, 1938.
      • Misty and Luke talk to Tomas. He tells them about the Yardies and Nigel, and how the new group known as the Stylers are bigger. Misty heads to Jersey with Tomas to interrogate Shaw.
          • Traffic division picked up Gideon Shaw last week with a busted tail light and a gram of weed.
      • Christone "Kingfish" Ingram soundchecks at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah looks at an old Bulletin clipping about Harlem's Paradise. Luke sits sadly on a train and someone takes a photo of him. Tilda checks the ingredients she sold to Bushmaster. Mariah and Luke are in the same clothes and Luke has still only just taken the picture of the Mother's Touch bag, there's no gap.
            • The Thrill Is Gone by Christone "Kingfish" Ingram exists in the MCU. Very little information online about the song before Marvel's Luke Cage: Season 2. Christone "Kingfish" Ingram exists in the MCU. Born 1999.
            • The Bulletin has a 1960s date on it, but can't quite make it out. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (27:24 - 1:00) = 26:24 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 51.4% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • An advert says "-SH. August 24th. Appearing only at Harlem's Paradise". It's unclear who the advert is promoting, it could be Christone "Kingfish" Ingram, especially considering the "-SH", but it could be someone else. However, this suggests it is coming up to August 24th or is August 24th. Possibly, it's just after August 24th and they haven't taken the advert down yet.
          • If the date of this scene is not August 24th, then the fact that there is an event at Harlem's Paradise on August 24th should be added to the timeline.
            • Tilda has a few books, but can't quite make some of them out. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (30:26 - 1:00) = 29:26 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 57.3% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Luke asks Tilda about whether she helped Bushmaster, but she pretends to not be sure. However, she asks him about the experiment that gave him his strength and then helps him with his concussion, giving him a herbal remedy. They're both still in the same clothes and he wouldn't have waited to follow up on the Mother's Touch lead, no gap.
      • Misty questions Gideon Shaw. He tells her about the story Anansi told about the people at the top of the hill, and how John has come to end their time.
        • The Bushmaster fight was "last night". This eliminates MLC 2,4 a.
      • Christone "Kingfish" Ingram performs at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah gets out some bushmaster rum, and Bushmaster arrives. He tells her Harlem is beginning to feel like home. He asks her how much she knows about the history of Harlem's Paradise, and she intentionally doesn't mention Quincy McIver, his grandfather. He calls her Mariah Stokes to aggravate her, and leaves. Shades asks Ray Ray to guard Harlem's Paradise, and he says Comanche left after his mother called. Follow-up on soundcheck, no gap.
            • "I Put a Spell on You by Screamin' Jay Hawkins exists in the MCU. Released November 1956. We don't know for certain that Screamin' Jay Hawkins exists, because the version we hear is a cover.
          • Mariah's grandfather Buggy Stokes had Harlem's Paradise commissioned in the "late '60s".
      • Bushmaster goes back to Gwen's and greets his friends and family, who are impressed with his takedown of Cage. Anansi is a little more reserved, but John tells him about how he has now seen his kingdom, and with Luke taken down, the guard dog is out of the way.
            • Hypocrite by Bob Marley and the Wailers exists in the MCU. Released on Hypocrite/Nice Time in 1967. Bob Marley and the Wailers exist in the MCU. Formed 1963. Bob Marley exists in the MCU. Born February 6, 1945.
            • Usain Bolt exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 21, 1986.
      • Shades waits outside in a car, having followed Bushmaster back to the restaurant.
        • Shades' car has a "1 18" registration. If this is a 1-year registration, this means it is between January 2017 and January 2018. It's possible that it's a 2-year registration, which would mean it is between January 2016 and January 2018.
      • Comanche goes to see Ridenhour, who is the person he was really going to visit. Ridenhour has him as an insider at Harlem's Paradise. Comanche doesn't want to push for more information in fear that he'll give himself away. Follow-up on Ray Ray saying he left, no gap.

      - - - -MLC 2,4 b- - - -

      • Misty finds a Rand Enterprises envelope on her desk. Opening it, she finds it's a note from Danny and Colleen along with a blueprint for a prosthetic arm they've made her.
        • Misty is in the same clothes as earlier. This would eliminate MLC 2,4 b. 75% eliminated.
        • Possible dates on the files on the table. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (46:13 - 1:00) = 45:13 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 88.1% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,4 c- - - -

      • Bobby tells Luke his daughter needs a liver transplant, and that he's a donor match and will fly out tomorrow. A man enters the shop and tells Luke he's being legally served.
          • Bobby flies out "tomorrow".
            • Golden Time of Day by Maze exists in the MCU. Released 1978. Formed as as Raw Soul in 1970.
            • Volkswagen exists in the MCU. Founded May 28, 1937.

      [Episode 5 - All Souled Out]
      - - - -MLC 2,5 a- - - -

      • Ben Donovan represents Cockroach while Foggy represents Luke. Cockroach accuses Luke of abusing him. Luke accidentally breaks the table.
          • Cockroach has been fighting since he was 8. Dorian Missick was about 41y7m during filming so this is about 33y1m ago.
            • Prodigy exists in the MCU. Born Albert Johnson on November 2, 1974.
            • Mobb Deep exists in the MCU. Formed as Poetical Prophets in 1991.
            • Charles Darwin exists in the MCU. Born February 12, 1809.
            • National Geographic exists in the MCU. First issue September 22, 1888.
          • Drea has been with Dontrell for 15 years.
      • Foggy tells Luke the money that will be needed for Dontrell: $100,000.
            • The Lone Ranger exists in the MCU. First appeared on WXYZ in January 1933.
            • Shock G exists in the MCU. Born Gregory Jacobs on August 25, 1963.
            • Digital Underground exists in the MCU. Formed 1987.
            • Willie Horton exists in the MCU. Born August 12, 1951.
        • Luke has 72 hours to pay, which may be significant for the day-to-day breakdown.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 b- - - -

      • Mariah has Tilda come to the clinic to ask her to be her medical director.
        • Mariah has an event at the clinic "this evening", which may be significant.
            • Sojourner Truth exists in the MCU. Born Isabella Baumfree c. 1797.
            • Mary McLeod Bethune exists in the MCU. Born Mary Jane McLeod on July 10, 1875.
            • Ida B. Wells exists in the MCU. Born July 16, 1862.
            • Bessie Coleman exists in the MCU. Born January 26, 1892.
            • Zora Neale Hurston exists in the MCU. Born January 7, 1891.
            • Maya Angelou exists in the MCU. Born April 4, 1928.
            • Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts exists in the MCU. Opened 1962. By extension, Abraham Lincoln exists in the MCU. Born February 12, 1809.
        • Atreus sold "just a few days ago". The merger was "tomorrow" when Mariah blackmailed Mark Higgins, and the scene where she and Piranha celebrate is definitely the next morning, so yes, the merger was that morning. This means it has been a few days since that scene.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 c- - - -

      • Misty tries her new arm at Rand Enterprises, lifting a mug.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 d- - - -

      • Foggy calls to tell Luke about the possibility of being paid to attend a party event, but he turns him down. Misty visits and they discuss the problem with Cockroach.
            • Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Released September 24, 2015. Ta-Nehisi Coates exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born September 30, 1975.
        • Luke has The Force by Don Winslow, which was only released on June 20, 2017. This would suggest it is after that date.
            • The Force by Don Winslow exists in the MCU. Released June 20, 2017. Don Winslow exists in the MCU. Born October 31, 1953.
        • Luke has some other books, which deserve a placement on the timeline, and could, like The Force, be relevant to the placement. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (10:19 - 1:00) = 9:19 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 17.1% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • Foggy's in the same suit, which would suggest it's the same day as earlier. This would eliminate MLC 2,5 b, c, and d. 75% eliminated.
            • Joe Louis exists in the MCU. Born May 13, 1914.
            • Beyoncé exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Beyoncé Knowles on September 4, 1981.
            • Destiny's Child doing the bar mitzvah occurred in the MCU. Happened May 15, 2005.
            • Destiny's Child exists in the MCU. Formed as Girl's Tyme in 1990.
        • Foggy says the Destiny's Child bar mitzvah was "a decade ago". It was May 2005, but since this is only 2016, 2017, or 2018, he must be rounding. Still, it would suggest more like 2016 or 2017 than 2018.
        • Luke says they have a few weeks left on the lease. This could become relevant.
      • Luke calls people about other options, but doesn't like them, and eventually calls Foggy back.
            • Todd Bowles exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born November 18, 1963.
      • Mariah readies for the clinic opening. Tilda says she's finding it hard to trust Mariah. Nandi and Bailey show up asking where Mark Higgins is.
        • All in the same clothes and still preparing for the event which was said to be that evening. This eliminates MLC 2,5 c and d.
        • Jimmy Kimmel Live! is on that night, meaning it is a weekday.
            • Jimmy Kimmel Live! exists in the MCU. First aired January 26, 2003. Jimmy Kimmel exists in the MCU. Born November 13, 1967.
            • Frederick Douglass exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born c. February 1818.
        • No one has seen Higgins in a few days. The earliest that he could have last been seen is when he approved the merger, the same morning that Mariah and Piranha then celebrated the merger going through. So it's at least a few days since that day, which matches what Mariah said about the merger going through "a few days ago".
      • Comanche says they couldn't find Bushmaster. Shades asks where Ray Ray is, and they don't know. Mariah shows up, excited, but Shades is nervous. He suggests that he buys Harlem's Paradise from Mariah to solve their money problem, but she refuses. He expresses concern at Piranha getting drunk and potentially slipping up, but Mariah shows no worry. Immediately after last scene (same clothes, still getting ready, Nandi and Bailey "rolled up this morning").
        • Piranha's holding a party "tonight", which may become relevant.
          • Mariah has known Piranha since he was 12. Chaz Lamar Shepherd was about 39y10m old during filming, so this would have been about 27y4m ago.
            • Mariah says Nandi and Bailey "rolled up this morning", which means that scene was morning and this is likely afternoon.
        • Mariah's phone could have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (19:58 - 1:00) = 18:58 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 34.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,5 e- - - -

      • Misty visits Cockroach in his home. He's rude to her and about Scarfe and the other police, driving her out of the room.
            • The Wizard of Oz exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Released August 25, 1939.
            • RoboCop exists in the MCU. Released July 17, 1987.
            • The Black Lives Matter movement exists in the MCU. Formed July 13, 2013.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 f- - - -

      • 15:30 - Luke and Foggy arrive at Uptown Investments and is taken to Piranha's office. Piranha has a collection.
        • Foggy is still wearing the same suit. This would eliminate MLC 2,5 b, e, and f, and reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,5 c and d. MLC 2,5 e and f 75% eliminated, MLC 2,5 b further 75% eliminated.
            • It's 3:30PM.
          • Can't Cage Him newspaper from when Luke was released in The Defenders: Season 1.
          • Could be a date on the paper. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (22:30 - 1:00) = 21:30 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 39.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • eBay exists in the MCU. Founded September 3, 1995.
            • Bill Clinton exists in the MCU. Born August 19, 1946.
            • Why Should White Guys Have All the Fun? How Reginald Lewis Created a Billion-Dollar Business Empire by Reginald F. Lewis and Blair S. Walker exists in the MCU. Released October 28, 1994. Reginald Lewis exists in the MCU. Born December 7, 1942. Blair S. Walker exists in the MCU. No date of birth available.
            • Barack Obama exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 4, 1961.
            • Blimpie exists in the MCU. Founded May 16, 1964.
            • Martin Luther King Jr. exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born January 15, 1929.
            • Black Enterprise exists in the MCU. First issue 1970.
            • Earl G. Graves Sr. exists in the MCU. Born January 9, 1935.
            • D-Nice exists in the MCU. Born Derrick Jones on June 19, 1970.
            • Funkmaster Flex exists in the MCU. Born Aston George Taylor Jr. on August 5, 1967.
            • Mark Ronson exists in the MCU. Born September 4, 1975.
      • Luke is given an outfit to wear for the party that night.
        • The event is still "tonight". This eliminates MLC 2,5 e and f.
      • 16:07 - Shades asks Comanche about Ray Ray, but there's still no word. Shades has to leave for Piranha's party. Comanche gets a text from Ridenhour asking to meet.
            • Jay-Z exists in the MCU. Born Shawn Carter on December 4, 1969.
            • Puff Daddy exists in the MCU. Born Sean Combs on November 4, 1969.
        • Ridenhour asks to meet "tonight", which could become relevant.
            • Comanche's watch seems to say that it is 4:07 (would be PM).

      - - - -MLC 2,5 g- - - -

      • Misty looks through Cockroach's folder.
        • Might be some dates in the folder. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (28:31 - 1:00) = 27:31 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 50.6% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • Flashback: Scarfe plants the gun to have Cockroach arrested.
          • Scarfe seems to suggest he's "at least 12 years" older than Misty.
            • 99 Problems by Jay-Z exists in the MCU. Released April 27, 2004.
      • Ridenhour talks to Misty about Scarfe's corruption.
          • Ridenhour's ID could have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (30:41 - 1:00) = 29:41 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 54.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • Misty wonders if Scarfe might have been corrupt for years.
      • Luke puts on the hoodie for the party, calling it cosplay.
        • Luke's going to the party so it's still the same day. This eliminates MLC 2,5 g.
      • Luke arrives at the party and Ghostface Killah is performing. Piranha greets him and takes him around. Someone asks Luke if he's tougher than Hulk.
            • Ghostface Killah exists in the MCU. Born Dennis Coles on May 9, 1970.
            • Method Man exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Clifford Smith on March 2, 1971.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 h- - - -

      • Misty visits Drea to talk about Dontrell.
      • Piranha shows off to women about knowing Luke.
        • Continuation of last Piranha scene. This eliminates MLC 2,5 h.
            • Wu-Tang Clan exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Formed 1991.
      • Tilda tells Mariah that she cannot trust her, and that she knows she's lying. Mariah tells her about Higgins and about them selling guns, saying the only line they refuse to cross is selling drugs. Tilda leaves, not happy with her.
        • Mariah says she was told about Mark Higgins (the first scene with Piranha) "a few weeks ago".
        • The Black Enterprise magazine is shown again, with the May 2016 or 2018 date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (39:37 - 1:00) = 38:37 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 71.0% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Shirley Chisholm exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Shirley St. Hill on November 30, 1924.
      • Luke is asked for a selfie. A man in the crowd looks over at him, then disappears, and Luke goes to find him.

      - - - -MLC 2,5 i- - - -

      • Misty finds a file she needs from her old desk (now Nandi's). She also comes across Scarfe's old bottle.
          • Flashback: Scarfe jokes about placing evidence on Harverland.
          • What I think is one of the precinct calendars is visible behind Misty, and could give an idea of when this flashback is. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (44:37 - 1:00) = 43:37 of about (57:35 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 54:25, so should look about 80.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Rikers Island exists in the MCU. Established 1932.
          • There is a New York Mets game that night. This means it is during the baseball season, between March and September. Likely 2014.
            • The New York Mets exist in the MCU. Established 1962.
            • The New York Yankees exist in the MCU. Established 1901.
            • Jameson Irish Whiskey exists in the MCU. Introduced 1780.
      • Misty takes evidence, deciding to plant it on Cockroach.
      • Comanche meets with Ridenhour, who tells him his time is running out.
        • Follow-up on Ridenhour asking to meet Comanche "tonight". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,5 g and h, and eliminates MLC 2,5 i.
        • Ridenhour says he gave Comanche a week, and the clock is ticking. This would likely be referring to the time since he was released from prison, suggesting it was about 6 days ago. However, Mariah just referred to events after Comanche's release from prison as "a few weeks ago", so this is more likely since Comanche got to Harlem's Paradise, but it still suggests he was released from prison not much more than a week ago.
      • Misty enters Cockroach's apartment to plant the evidence.
          • Flashback: Scarfe cries about Earl's death.
      • Misty is shocked to find Cockroach's headless body.
      • Mariah is opening her clinic. She opens the door and everyone is shocked when inside there are three severed heads - Mark Higgins, Cockroach, and Ray Ray.
        • Follow-up on all of Mariah's preparation. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,5 c, d, e, f, g, h, and i.
      • Luke sees Shades and they come face-to-face. Piranha calls Luke to the stage, wanting to shoot him for fun. However, shooters in the crowd suddenly fire at Luke. There is a rush to get out and Piranha is kidnapped.
      • Luke saves Piranha. Shades leaves. Luke tells Piranha the price has doubled to hire him.

      [Episode 6 - The Basement]

      • Luke takes Piranha to a roof. Sheldon spots them and they continue to run.
      • Luke throws Piranha to the next roof. He grabs Sheldon, but he doesn't talk, and Luke has to jump and leave.
      • At Gwen's, they're watching football/soccer when WJBP News gives a breaking news story with Thembi Wallace reporting on the severed heads earlier "tonight". Anansi is unimpressed. Sheldon calls and John has them roam the streets.
        • Football/soccer game on, not sure who's playing.
        • Tonight ribbon-cutting.
            • Shirley Chisholm exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Shirley St. Hill on November 30, 1924.
            • Barack Obama exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born August 4, 1961.
      • Sheldon stops Lonnie on the street, asking about Luke.
            • Beats Electronics exists in the MCU. Founded 2008.
        • Car might have a registration date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (7:40 - 1:00) = 6:40 of about (64:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 61:00, so should look about 10.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Connie is putting bins out when she sees the commotion on the streets.
      • Luke and Piranha go to an old cinema/theater owned by Uptown. Some Jamaicans drive past, looking in. Luke decides to splint Piranha's leg, but tells Piranha he will have to tell him everything about what's going on.
      • Shades talks to Comanche and is surprised Comanche doesn't know what's happening. Comanche suggests cutting loose from Mariah. Shades decides to get weapons and go after Luke themselves.
            • The Battle of the Alamo exists in the MCU. Started February 23, 1836.
      • Mariah sits in interrogation. Ridenhour talks to Misty, asking how she found Cockroach's body and berating her for contaminating the crime scene. Misty gets angry but discovers her new arm is powerful. Still the same night, heads incident referred to as "tonight".
        • Arturo and Nigel's murders are said to have been "last week".
        • They have 48 hours to sort it or ICE will come in. Could become relevant.
            • Misty got to Cockroach's at "quarter to 10", 21:45.
        • Cockroach was found beheaded hours after Misty spoke to him. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,5 f, g, h, and i.
      • Piranha tells Luke about how he knows Mariah.
            • Lawrence Otis Graham exists in the MCU. Born December 25, 1962.
            • Frank Lucas exists in the MCU. Born September 9, 1930.
      • Ridenhour goes to interrogate Mariah, calling her "May May", to Misty's surprise. It turns out they are old friends. Misty is taken away for paperwork.
          • Ridenhour and Mariah were together 9-11th grade. This also suggests they're roughly the same age, which is another factor for Mariah's age.
          • Ridenhour got with Karla after, and has been with her for 35 years.
            • The Pirates of the Caribbean films exist in the MCU. First one, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, released July 9, 2003.
        • Mariah says her fundraiser was "last week".
        • Ridenhour says the pictures of all the potential buyers at Harlem's paradise were taken "less than a week ago".
      • Piranha explains how he gave Mariah insider information. Luke tells him they need to stay hidden, because everyone wants Piranha. D.W. calls, telling him he saw two people entering the barber shop from the back.
            • There's a Millwall news site that I can't quite make out. 41:12. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (22:58 - 1:00) = 21:58 of about (64:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 61:00, so should look about 36.0% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • Energy Brands exists in the MCU. Founded May 1996.
            • The Coca-Cola Company exists in the MCU. Founded 1892.
            • Donald Trump exists in the MCU. Born June 14, 1946.
            • Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria exists in the MCU. Born December 18, 1863.
            • Ghostface Killah exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Dennis Coles on May 9, 1970.
      • Shades and Comanche sneak into Pop's Barber Shop and sit to wait.

      - - - -MLC 2,6 a- - - -

      • Misty meets with Gabe Krasner to eat, knowing he will give the good, tough advice she needs.
            • The Lenox Lounge exists in the MCU. Founded 1939.
            • Sephora exists in the MCU. Founded August 14, 1969.
      • Anansi berates John for his terrorist actions, calling it too far, and disrespectful.
        • Mentioned twice that the incident at the clinic was "tonight". This eliminates MLC 2,6 a.
      • As they wait in the barber shop, Comanche brings up the relationship he and Shades had in prison. Shades passes it off as a product of their circumstances, but Comanche tells him that he feels like it was more. Comanche decides they are wasting their time and he leaves.
      • Getting back to the Paradise, Mariah becomes angry, feeling that everyone has betrayed her. Alex joins her and she drinks and complains. Clearly a continuation of the same night, Mariah's reacting to the events and is in the same coat.

      Next day.

      • Luke boards up a hole as the morning comes. Jamaicans outside wonder if Luke and Piranha could be inside. Piranha discusses his father, and how he left him, and then when he had come to him for help, he turned him away.
            • Why Should White Guys Have All the Fun? How Reginald Lewis Created a Billion-Dollar Business Empire by Reginald F. Lewis and Blair S. Walker exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Released October 28, 1994. Reginald Lewis exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born December 7, 1942. Blair S. Walker exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). No date of birth available.
            • Forbes exists in the MCU. First issue September 15, 1917.
            • The Forbes 30 Under 30 exists in the MCU. Launched December 19, 2011.
      • Misty calls Luke from the precinct and he tells her about the Jamaicans' cars. Misty notices one and it drives away, but she clocks the plate.
        • Schedules on the noticeboard could give evidence. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (45:18 - 1:00) = 44:18 of about (64:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 61:00, so should look about 72.6% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Luke comes back to find that Piranha has been taken again. He tracks down the Jamaicans and attacks them, taking Piranha back.
            • Several film posters I can't quite make out. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (48:24 - 1:00) = 47:24 of about (64:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 61:00, so should look about 77.7% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
            • The Crimson Skull exists in the MCU. Released April 20, 1922.
            • Lawrence Chenault exists in the MCU. Born November 23, 1877.
            • Oscar Micheaux exists in the MCU. Born January 2, 1884.
            • Murder in Harlem exists in the MCU. Released December 12, 1935.
            • Clarence Brooks exists in the MCU. Born December 23, 1896.
            • Laura Bowman exists in the MCU. Born October 3, 1881.
            • Dorothy Van Engle exists in the MCU. Born August 14, 1910.
            • Andrew Bishop exists in the MCU. Born August 16, 1894.
            • Alec Lovejoy exists in the MCU. Born April 28, 1893.

      - - - -MLC 2,6 b- - - -

      • Shades goes back to Mariah and they embrace. He tells her about Gwen's. She asks if anyone else knew about Tone, having noticed that Ridenhour had knowledge about it that he shouldn't.
        • Implied to be the same day. This would eliminate MLC 2,6 b. 50% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,6 c- - - -

      • Misty confesses to wanting to plant evidence. Ridenhour is happy accepting this, but she insists she has to quit.
        • Misty says she will turn in her paperwork tomorrow, which may become relevant.
      • Luke takes Piranha to his father's church for safety.
        • Follow-up on Luke and Piranha. This eliminates MLC 2,6 b and c.
      • 11:30 - Luke calls Bushmaster to arrange a duel, with Piranha's fate at stake.
            • Luke says he should be back within an hour, suggesting this is about half an hour before the fight. The fight is arranged for "high noon", so this is about 11:30.
      • 12:00 - The fight on the bridge. Luke is winning but Bushmaster uses powder to immobilise him and wins.
            • Was said to be "high noon", 12:00.

      [Episode 7 - On and On]

      • As Luke sinks, he thinks about his parents. A vision of his father jolts him awake.
          • Luke remembers talking to his mother in prison twice.
          • Luke remembers being in the tank three times.
          • Luke remembers being in bed with Reva.
          • Luke remembers Reva's coffin.
          • Luke remembers walking through his father's church as a child.
          • Luke remembers his father telling him to wake up.
      • 12:30 - Luke gets himself to his father's church and collapses.
      • 13:30 - After "about an hour", Luke wakes in the church. James says that Piranha left half an hour after Luke, on his own accord, and Luke decides he has to find him.
            • Luke has been out for "about an hour".
          • Piranha left about half an hour after Luke did, so 12:00ish.

      - - - -MLC 2,7 a- - - -

      • Misty tests her new arm with basketball. Ridenhour visits her asking for her to return to the precinct.
            • The New York Liberty exist in the MCU. Founded 1997.

      - - - -MLC 2,7 b- - - -

      • Mariah asks where Piranha is, and thinks they have a snitch. She threatens people to try to root out the snitch and sends them to find Piranha. Shades promises he will get their money back.
          • Mariah has known Piranha since he was in grade school, which matches with her saying she knew him since he was 12.

      - - - -MLC 2,7 c- - - -

      • Tilda gets back to the Paradise. Stephen Marley is sound-checking.
            • You're Gonna Leave by Stephen Marley exists in the MCU. Released March 20, 2007 on Mind Control. Stephen Marley exists in the MCU. Born April 20, 1972.
      • Luke and James don't get along at the church.
        • Follow-up on Luke and James. This eliminates MLC 2,7 a, b, and c.
      • Bushmaster threatens Piranha, getting him to unlock Mariah's bank account.
      • Misty talks to Luke about Piranha. Misty tells him about her lead on a taxi place in Brooklyn. She claims not to be his "sidekick", and they leave.
        • Luke last saw Piranha at the church "a few hours ago", meaning this is still the same day. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,7 a, b, and c.
            • It is "a few hours" since roughly 11:30.
            • Ray Charles exists in the MCU. Born September 23, 1930.
      • The duo take on Jamaicans in Brooklyn. However, they don't find Piranha alive as they had wished - instead discovering his severed head in a fish tank.
      • Tilda plays the piano at Harlem's Paradise. She discusses Jackson with Mariah.
        • Both in same clothes, still same day.
      • Misty talks to Ridenhour at the scene of the crime. He reveals that he wants to make a deal with Mariah, which Misty objects to. Nandi and Bailey show up and try to make them leave. Nandi and Misty argue. Luke leaves.
        • Misty planting evidence was "yesterday". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,6 a, b, and c, and MLC 2,7 a, b, and c.
            • The Voice exists in the MCU. First aired April 26, 2011.
      • Ridenhour tells Mariah about Piranha's death and the deal he wants to cut, but she refuses. She checks her bank and her money's all gone, and she gets angry as Alex enters. Mariah and Ridenhour same clothes, still same day.
            • Martha Stewart exists in the MCU. Born Martha Kostyra on August 3, 1941.
            • Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán exists in the MCU. Two dates of birth out there.
            • Marion Barry exists in the MCU. Born Marion Barry Jr. on March 6, 1936.
        • Mariah has until the morning.
        • "Next Statement Sept 1, 2018". Statements are usually monthly, suggesting it is currently August 2018.
      • Shades and Comanche talk about who the snitch might be, and Comanche suggests Ray Ray. Shades gets a text from Mariah about Piranha's death.
        • This Is Us is already well-known. It started on September 20, 2016, suggesting this scene is after September 20, 2016, and they act like it has a reputation already so realistically it should be at least October 2016.
            • This Is Us exists in the MCU. First aired September 20, 2016.
            • New Jack City exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Released March 8, 1991.
        • Again Ridenhour asks to meet "tonight", which could become relevant.

      - - - -MLC 2,7 d- - - -

      • Bushmaster has a suit fitted. He talks to Anansi about his mother.
      • Luke talks to James about his mother's death.
        • Luke says he "saw momma today", "today in that river". This eliminates MLC 2,7 d and reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,7 a, b, and c.

      - - - -MLC 2,7 e- - - -

      • Misty goes into a bar and sees a guy looking at her.
            • Feel Alive by The Midnight Hour, Adrian Younge & Ali Shaheed Muhammad feat. Karolina & Loren Oden exists in the MCU. First posted online June 9, 2015. Thus ADrian Younge exists in the MCU. Born 1978. Ali Shaheed Muhammad exists in the MCU. Born August 11, 1970. Karolina exists in the MCU. Born Keren Karolina Avratz on March 19, 1971. Loren Oden exists in the MCU. No date of birth available.
      • Comanche goes to see Ridenhour, but Shades followed. Comanche then pretends to have been threatening Ridenhour and pulls a gun on him. He is forced to shoot Ridenhour. Realising Comanche is the snitch, Shades works out his alibi as he shoots his friend.
        • This is the meeting Ridenhour said would be "tonight". This eliminates MLC 2,7 e and reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,7 d.
        • The Empire State Building is green/white.
      • Mariah is scared in her brownstone with Tilda. Bushmaster arrives and her bullet does nothing. He calls her a Stokes and advances.
        • Mariah and Tilda are in the same clothes. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,7 d, e, and f.
      • Misty kisses the man but gets a call about Ridenhour and has to leave in shock.
            • Stop the Clock by 5 Alarm Music exists in the MCU. Very little information about the song, though. Thus 5 Alarm Music exists in the MCU. Very little information about them, though.
      • Bushmaster has Mariah and Tilda tied to chairs and tells them how his family were disrespected. Meanwhile, James talks to Luke about how he behaved when he and Luke's mother visited Luke in prison, apologising.
          • Flashback shown of Luke's parents visiting him while he's in prison.
          • It took 5 months for Buggy Stokes to die after being shot.
      • Bushmaster frees Tilda to give her the same option he was left with over whether to leave and survive or stay and almost certainly die with her mother.
      • D.W. arrives to tell Luke that Mariah's brownstone's on fire. He leaves to help.
      • Stephen Marley plays in Harlem's Paradise. Shades watches over the city after killing his friend. Misty gets to the crime scene and is distressed. Luke gets to the brownstone as Tilda tries to help Mariah. Bushmaster, meanwhile, takes the Paradise with his Jamaican friends and family.
            • Chase Dem by Stephen Marley exists in the MCU. Released March 20, 2007 on Mind Control.
            • And they'll say it's a part of it. So they buy and you sell your soul.
      • Luke saves Mariah and she requests to hire him.

      [Episode 8 - If It Ain't Rough, It Ain't Right]
      Next day.

      • Shades burns Comanche's clothes in the wake of killing him.
      • Mariah talks to Tilda in the precinct.
      • Mariah approaches Luke and they discuss Bushmaster.
      • Misty and Luke talk about Ridenhour's death.
      • Shades talks to Darius/Comanche' mother. Death was "last night", still no gap.
          • 7 when they met. The actors were born June 1975 and August 1978, so, depending on when this is set, born approximately early 1977 and therefore 7 around 1984.
      • Luke and Tilda talk in the precinct about his skin and how she lied to him at Mother's Touch.
      • Misty and Nandi talk about the bet about how long it would take her to come back an Bailey and Luke reveal it was Darius Jones/Comanche.
          • Some awards which might have dates. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (13:07 - 1:00) = 12:07 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 23.3% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • O'Reilly is mentioned as being in New Orleans. With Cloak & Dagger being her first case in New Orleans, this means Cloak & Dagger is set before this.
      • Misty talks to Luke about how Comanche must have been the snitch.
      • Bushmaster finds out that Mariah and Tilda survived and are in the precinct.
      • Luke asks Tilda about what exactly happened.
      • Mariah is simultaneously interrogated. She shows genuine surprise and horror when Misty tells her Ridenhour is dead. Donovan and Shades enter and get Mariah out.
            • The Hatfield-McCoy feud exists in the MCU. Started 1863.
            • Popsicle exists in the MCU. Introduced 1905.
            • Raggedy Ann exists in the MCU. First introduced in Raggedy Ann Stories. Released 1918.
      • Mariah goes to Tilda and Luke to leave. Luke becomes angry with her for mentioning Claire again.
        • There's another precinct calendar. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (23:34 - 1:00) = 22:34 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 43.4% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Misty analyses the shots from last night. She interrogates Shades and things go well until Benjamin Donovan receives a call and decides to leave. Still no gaps, incident was "last night".
        • The Yankees are playing a doubleheader. The Yankees had doubleheaders on May 14, 2017, July 16, 2017, August 30, 2017, April 15, 2018, June 4, 2018, July 9, 2018, July 28, 2018, and August 25, 2018.
            • The New York Yankees exist in the MCU (has been revealed before). Established 1901.

      - - - -MLC 2,8 a- - - -

      • Bushmaster and Anansi talk about the negative effects of the nightshade and the savageness of John's crusade, but John doesn't care.
      • Donovan tells Mariah why he's leaving, having found out she had no money.
        • Follow-up on Mariah and Donovan. This eliminates MLC 2,8 a.
        • The calendar appears again. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (28:56 - 1:00) = 27:56 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 53.7% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • As Mariah leaves the precinct, there is a shooting from the Jamaicans, but Luke protects her and Tilda.
      • Misty continues to interrogate Shades on her own, and he tells her about his friendship with Darius.
            • Top Gun exists in the MCU. Released May 16, 1986.
        • Comanche's death was "last night". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,8 a.
        • File shown could potentially have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (33:14 - 1:00) = 32:14 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 61.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Nandi pulls Misty aside to tell her about the shooting outside and the fact that they don't have enough evidence to hold Shades.
          • Benjamin Donovan has worked for the Stokes' for over 25 years.
      • Misty reluctantly lets Shades go.
      • Luke warns his father that someone could come and attack him to get to Luke.
        • Banners on the side of the church could have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (35:19 - 1:00) = 34:19 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 65.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Sugar gives Mariah some of his wife's clothes. Shades arrives and they argue about what's his fault regarding Comanche and what's her fault regarding finances. They agree to help each other and work together again.
      • The police enter Harlem's Paradise, but Bushmaster denies any involvement and Benjamin Donovan forces them out.
          • I believe the newspaper cutting says "1963". Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (42:33 - 1:00) = 41:33 of about (55:13 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 52:03, so should look about 79.8% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • The burning was "last night". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,8 a.
      • Mariah visits Tilda at her shop to talk about how much she was scared she would lose her.
        • Again, the burning was "last night". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,8 a
      • Anansi angrily leaves Bushmaster. Shades waits outside for him.
        • Shades has a "6 20" sticker. It looks different to normal registrations but assuming it is, that would suggest we're between June 2018 and June 2020.
      • Bushmaster makes more Nightshade as Luke guards his father's service.
      • People arrive at James' service and shoot, but Luke saves him. James punches one in retaliation for attacking his son, showing that he still cares.
      • While talking at Mother's Touch, Mariah and Tilda are interrupted by Misty and Nandi who warn that shooters have arrived. The Stylers shoot but Luke saves them and they call Danny for a place to hide.

      [Episode 9 - For Pete's Sake]

      • The group get to an empty Rand pharmaceutical research facility. James leads them in a prayer circle.
      • Bushmaster is furious in Mother's Touch that Mariah and Tilda escaped yet again.
      • Tilda and James talk and she helps heal his hand with atropa belladonna, AKA nightshade.
          • It's been 30 years since James thumped anything harder than a Bible.
      • Luke and Misty are angry at Mariah. They want her to testify, but Mariah wants immunity in return.
            • Debi Thomas exists in the MCU. Born March 25, 1967.
      • Luke tries to convince Misty to let the deal happen, but Misty is completely against the idea.
            • Adam Clayton Powell Jr. exists in the MCU. Born November 29, 1908.
      • Priscilla arrives at the precinct.
      • Mariah tells Luke that Harlem loves her.
      • Priscilla talks to Misty about the deal with Mariah. She says she will call DA Tower.
      • Luke gets angry at a coffee machine. James gives it a light tap and it works.
      • Mariah sneaks around. Luke and James discuss his powers and faith, then Claire, and how Luke needs to heal emotionally. Hand healing.
            • Titanic exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Released December 19, 1997.
      • Priscilla tells Misty that DA Tower came through. Misty explains why she feels bad about it. Nandi listens in.
      • Luke talks to Tilda and she is worried about her mother being a monster. She promises to tell Luke everything she knows in return for everything he knows.
      • Anansi tells John that Nightshade is not meant to be used that way. Nandi arrives and tells them she knows where Mariah is.
            • Tupac Shakur exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Lesane Parish Crooks June 16, 1971.
      • Mariah talks to James about their children. They share how they both have had problems.
          • Pictures of young Luke/Carl from his 20s.
      • Mariah tries calling Shades, but he doesn't pick up as he sits in Gwen's.
      • Mariah tells Tilda that Dillard is a fantasy. She admits that her father is not Jackson Dillard - he was gay. That in she did kill Cornell, and that Pete is her real father. She hysterically tells Tilda she never wanted to see her and never loved her, and Tilda is deeply upset, calling her a monster.
          • Tilda was born, then Mariah met Jackson, then she was engaged to Jackson, then Pete was killed, then when Tilda was 3 Mama Mabel had her first stroke.
      • Misty gives the papers over for Mariah's deal.
      • Priscilla and the police enter Harlem's Paradise with an arrest warrant for Bushmaster, only to find the Jamaicans are gone.
      • The Jamaicans arrive at the Rand facility.
        • "8 18" registration. This means it should be between August 2017 and August 2018 if it is a 1-year sticker, if not between August 2016 and August 2018 if it is a 2-year sticker.
      • The Jamaicans call saying they just want Mariah.
      • The group discuss whether to give up Mariah, but decide it would be wrong. They refuse and the Jamaicans in turn fire a rocket into the facility.
      • Confronting them, Luke gets into another fight with Bushmaster. Bushmaster tries to stab his eye but Luke beats him.
      • Mariah gets a rifle and shoots the Jamaicans coming in.
      • Luke refuses to kill Bushmaster, settling for him being arrested.
      • The police arrive and the Jamaicans are arrested, though Mariah has escaped.
      • James and Luke make up properly and tell each other they love each other.
      • Bushmaster tells a story of slavery in the prison van until he can detonate a weapon and escape, incredibly injured.
      • Tilda gets back to Mother's Touch and finds Sheldon, forcing her to help John.
      • Shades finds Mariah and they kiss. She says she's ready to act, and Shades shows that he has kidnapped Anansi.

      [Episode 10 - The Main Ingredient]
      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,10 a- - - -

      • Luke is walking along when he is confronted by people on the street asking what he's going to do about Bushmaster. Asked about what he'll do.
        • The "bend the knee" phrase from Game of Thrones is used. First mentioned in Season 7, Episode 3 on July 30, 2017.
            • Game of Thrones exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). First aired April 17, 2011. Funny since both Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick are in the show.
            • State Property exists in the MCU. Released January 18, 2002.
      • In Pop's, news reports on Bushmaster's escape. D.W. shows Luke his new merchandise. Danny arrives and introduces himself to D.W..
        • Bushmaster escaped the van "3 days ago". Since that was late at night and this seems like morning, it could be that this is the 4th morning after, about 76 hours or so later. It could, however, be afternoon and the capture was 3 calendar days ago, making it about 60 hours or so ago.
        • Defined time since Episode 9. This eliminates MLC 2,10 a.
            • ESPN exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Launched September 7, 1979.
            • Bruce Lee exists in the MCU. Born Lee Jun-fan (Chinese: 李振藩) on November 27, 1940.

      - - - -MLC 2,10 b- - - -

      • Misty checks Nandi's social media, wondering where she has been for the last few days.
          • Some posts from years ago. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (6:47 - 1:00) = 5:47 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 10.3% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,10 c- - - -

      • Mariah wants Harlem's Paradise all cleared up. She is annoyed at Ben Donovan for changing sides. He shows her that the money's been restored, but she is still controlling with him, grabbing him by the crotch.
      • Meditation. Danny goes through the Bushmaster fight with Luke. He lights up the first, impressing D.W., and helps Luke realise Bushmaster will need healing. Luke realises he'll be at Mother's Touch.
        • Continuation of Danny and Luke scenes. This eliminates MLC 2,10 b and c.
            • Larry Merchant exists in the MCU. Born February 11, 1931.
      • Danny tells Luke how he has become more settled.

      - - - -MLC 2,10 d- - - -

      • 08:53 - Misty asks Bailey if Nandi's in. They take him to interrogation.
        • Misty is wearing the same clothes as earlier, which would eliminate MLC 2,10 d. 75% eliminated.
        • Bailey's watch appears to say it's 8:53, which would mean it's morning, thus suggesting the more-like-76 hours option for the "3 days".
            • Bailey's watch appears to say 8:53.
            • If it is the more-like-76 hours option, then around "Mariah tells Luke that Harlem loves her" is actually after midnight.
        • Bailey's ID might have dates. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (13:33 - 1:00) = 12:33 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 22.3% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • Installed the records system 2 weeks ago.
        • 44:52 records. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (14:29 - 1:00) = 13:29 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 24.0% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Luke and Danny look around Mother's Touch. Luke decides he has to talk to Mariah.
        • Continuation of Danny and Luke. This eliminates MLC 2,10 d.
            • The Chronic by Dr. Dre exists in the MCU. Released December 15, 1992. Dr. Dre exists in the MCU. Born Andre Romelle Young on February 18, 1965.
            • 2001 by Dr. Dre exists in the MCU. Released November 16, 1999.
            • Tower Records exists in the MCU. Founded 1960.
          • Danny bought 2001 by Dr. Dre before catching the plane. That works fine, after November 1999.
      • Mariah talks with Shades in the roost. They sit down Anansi and talk to him.
        • Mariah and Shades are in the same clothes as earlier. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,10 d.
            • A portrait is shown that I don't recognise.
      • Bailey watches security footage and they catch Nandi leaving Harlem's Paradise.
        • Bailey and Misty are in the same clothes as earlier. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,10 d.
            • Watch shown again. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (19:30 - 1:00) = 18:30 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 32.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • They get to Harlem's Paradise and see Sugar. Talk to Mariah and Shades. She taunts about James and addresses Danny. They decide to leave.
            • Steve Jobs exists in the MCU. Born February 24, 1955.
        • Harlem's Paradise is due to reopen next week. This could become relevant.
      • Mariah tells Anansi she is surprised he didn't give away his presence.
      • Misty and Bailey arrest Nandi as she is about to board a private jet.

      - - - -MLC 2,10 e- - - -

      • Danny and Luke look out over Harlem. Danny teaches him to be still, to find balance and not get angry. He says they need a rat, and Luke knows where to go.
      • Misty interrogates Nandi, who is horrible to her.
        • Same clothes as earlier, coming straight from Nandi's arrest. This eliminates MLC 2,10 e.
          • When Misty was 14, Nandi set up Tasha Bowles to steal an iPod so that she would get kicked off the team. However, she got injured, and Misty came off the bench.
      • Mariah sits to talk with Anansi. She says she knew their history and lied before. Anansi says he was foolish to pity her.
            • The Colony of Jamaica gaining independence from the United Kingdom happened in the MCU. Occurred August 6, 1962.
            • Maroons. Didn't get freedom until 1962.
            • The World Bank exists in the MCU. Formed July 1945.
            • Bob Marley exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born February 6, 1945.
      • Luke and Danny visit Turk's shop.
        • Turk says he has done nothing crooked in months. At the earliest, the last crooked thing he did was his deal with Jeri in Jessica Jones: Season 2, which would mean it has been at least "months" since that season. Though he could have done deals later than that, making it more than "months" since that season. But also, he could just be lying. He's not the most reliable source.
      • Luke and Danny wait outside the nightshade farm.
      • The duo attack the farm and take down the workers with their combined powers.
      • They break into the main room where they are growing the nightshade.
      • The pair burn down the building, which Danny has bought with Rand.
      • Nandi is taken out of the precinct in shame.
        • ID could have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (42:49 - 1:00) = 41:49 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 74.4% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Ridley tells Misty that she knows about Midland Circle and would like her to take over as chief.
          • Ridenhour's awards might have dates. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (43:31 - 1:00) = 42:31 of about (59:21 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 56:11, so should look about 75.7% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Mariah walks Anansi down the street blindfolded. She tells Shades Luke is doing their dirty work. Sugar leaves, deciding he cannot accept their actions anymore.
      • Mariah has the group break into Gwen's. She singles out Billie as another snitch. She takes ownership of the name Stokes and has her shot through the head. Mariah then has her men shoot everyone in the restaurant, though Ingrid is knocked out behind the bar.
      • Anansi's blindfold is removed. Mariah has him burned alive as he curses them. He screams and Mariah eventually shoots him to finish him off.

      - - - -MLC 2,10 f- - - -

      • Faith Evans and Jadakiss perform at Harlem's Paradise as Mariah watches on. Shades leaves, feeling Mariah has stepped over the line.
            • NYC by Faith Evans & The Notorious B.I.G. feat. Jadakiss exists in the MCU. Released May 19, 2017 on The King & I. Faith Evans exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born June 10, 1973. The Notorious B.I.G. exists in the MCU. Born Christopher George Latore Wallace on May 21, 1972. Jadakiss exists in the MCU. Born Jason Terrance Phillips on May 27, 1975.
            • Hennessy exists in the MCU. Founded 1765.
            • Lexus exists in the MCU. Founded 1989.
      • Danny and Luke eat together at Genghis Connie's. They discuss how Claire sent Danny, and Danny's battle with Shou-Lao, with Luke saying he thinks it's a metaphor.
        • Continuation with Luke and Danny. This eliminates MLC 2,10 f.

      [Episode 11 - The Creator]

      • Having called Luke to Gwen's, Misty says that she's sure this was Mariah.

      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,11 a- - - -

      • Sheldon talks to John, reminding him he is a survivor.
          • Flashbacks: The Stokeses dealing with the McIvers in the "mid 80's [sic]". This is a few years before Pete's murder because Pete's alive and Cornell is young.
      • Alex shows Mariah the underground area and the biometric scanner to open it.
            • James Bond exists in the MCU. First appared in Casino Royale by Ian Fleming. Casino Royale by Ian Fleming exists in the MCU. Released 1953.
            • Jean-Michel Basquiat exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born December 22, 1960.
        • The massacre at Gwen's was "last night". This eliminates MLC 2,11 a.
      • Misty thinks about the crime scene. They realise Ingrid is alive.
          • Stephanie's sister was "not even 15". Her file might have a date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (10:40 - 1:00) = 9:40 of about (56:25 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:15, so should look about 18.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
          • Anansi had been on the straight and narrow for 20 years.
      • Luke asks questions about Mariah in Queens.
      • Misty has sent Luke a video of Ingrid around the corner from Gwen's last night. Luke hangs up on Misty to look for her.
        • Still "last night". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,11 a.
        • West Indian Parade is today. In 2017, this was September 4, 2017. In 2018, this was September 3, 2018. So this season is August-September. If it's 2017, that would make Episode 10 September 3, 2017 and if the "3 days" is taken as 76ish hours, then Episodes 8 and 9 would be August 30, 2017, matching with the Yankees double header on August 30, 2017. So this would add evidence to 2017.
      • Ridley talks to Misty about finding Ingrid.
      • Misty has to answer interview questions about the "Rum Punch Massacre", including press asking about Karen Page's source. Luke, meanwhile, is at the hospital looking for Ingrid. Parade still "today", still all same day.
      • Mariah realises she has a survivor that they have to deal with and sends Shades.
        • Again, the West Indian Parade is today.
      • Misty asks Bailey whether the gun used was a .38.
      • Sheldon insists to Tilda that John can take more nightshade. Still same clothes, same day.
          • Sheldon and John have known each other since they were 11 (meaning they're within a year of each other in age).
          • Flashback: Mabel kills Gwen in a fire and leaves John.

      - - - -MLC 2,11 b- - - -

      • Mariah meets with Mr. Yang.
      • Luke finds the hospital wing where Ingrid is staying.
        • Continuation with Luke. This eliminates MLC 2,11 b.
      • The West Indian Day Parade.
        • Again, it's the day of the West Indian Day Parade.
        • It's the Parade now. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,11 b.
      • Shades gets to Ingrid but decides he cannot shoot her. Luke comes in to help her.
        • Again, the attack was "last night". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,11 a and b.
      • Luke walks Ingrid through the parade.
      • Sheldon convinces Tilda to take the risk on the nightshade. John writhes in pain but survives.
          • Flashback: "Two years later", Pete shoots John, saying, "Tell Quincy that was for Buggy." Anansi takes John to a healer and she helps him with Nightshade.
      • Ingrid says just wants to see Anansi's body. Luke texts Misty.
      • 15:34 - Misty talks to the guy at the desk. She gets the file to prove Mariah used the same gun.
            • The clock says "3:34", would be PM.
            • Pete's file says his body was found in the river on "4/13/1987". According to this and this, he was probably killed about a week earlier, so around April 6, 1987. There is an approximate date of death on a file but it's blurred. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (35:39 - 1:00) = 34:39 of about (56:25 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:15, so should look about 65.1% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,11 c- - - -

      • Mariah hallucinates Mama Mabel and Pete as she begins to lose her sanity.
        • Mariah is in the same clothes as earlier. This would eliminate MLC 2,11 c. 75% eliminated.
      • Tilda has saved John. Sheldon is upset, however, when John comes to, unable to tell him about the massacre at Gwen's.
        • Continuation of Tilda, Sheldon, and Bushmaster. This eliminates MLC 2,11 c.
      • Misty shows Ridley the file. Ridley says they need the gun itself if they want to take down Mariah.
          • Again, "4/13/1987".
      • Luke calls Misty and tells her that Ingrid won't testify.
        • Luke says that hours ago, Misty wanted Mariah's head. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,11 a, b, and c.

      - - - -MLC 2,11 d- - - -

      • John, Sheldon, and Tilda go to Gwen's. John is distressed at his family and friends' deaths.
      • Mariah flirts with Alex as Shades walks in. They argue, and Mariah brings up his brief homosexual past with Darius. He chokes her in anger but eventually stops himself. Tilda then arrives to tell Mariah that she's done dealing with her.
        • Mariah and Shades are in the same clothes as earlier. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,11 c and eliminates MLC 2,11 d.
            • Brokeback Mountain exists in the MCU. Released January 13, 2006.
      • Shades goes to Misty, saying that Mariah's gone too far now and she has to go.
      • John and Ingrid visit Anansi's body. John gives Luke mild respect for helping Ingrid, but makes it clear he still wants him gone.
      • Sugar follows Luke and Luke turns to talk to him. They team up, with Sugar suggesting Luke taking over crime business so as to monitor it.

      [Episode 12 - Can't Front on Me]
      - - - -MLC 2,12 a- - - -

      • D.W. dances with Aisha at a party. People take Bushmaster drugs and get violent with each other.

      Next day.

      • Aisha and D.W. tell Luke about the drug. Sugar comes back to the barber shop.
            • Oldboy exists in the MCU. Released March 25, 2005.

      - - - -MLC 2,12 b- - - -

      • Mariah goes to an auction to meet with the Italians and the Chinese.
            • Romare Bearden exists in the MCU. Born September 2, 1911.
            • W. E. B. Du Bois exists in the MCU. Born February 23, 1868.
            • The Souls of Black Folk by W. E. B. Du Bois exists in the MCU. Published 1903.
      • Bushmaster watches outside the auction as Mariah's associates leave.
      • Shades sleeps in the precinct.
        • Their 24 hours with Shades are running out, meaning it is only the day after they arrested him. This eliminates MLC 2,12 a and b.
      • Luke saves Bushmaster as he is shot at, but John then uses another explosive to get away.
      • Tilda visits Cornell's grave.
            • Nina Simone exists in the MCU. Born Eunice Kathleen Waymon on February 21, 1933.
            • Stevie Wonder exists in the MCU. Born Stevland Judkins on May 13, 1950.
            • Sly Stone exists in the MCU. Born Sylvester Stewart on March 15, 1943.
            • Curtis Mayfield exists in the MCU. Born June 3, 1942.
            • Casio exists in the MCU. Founded April 1946.
      • Luke visits Mariah and he tells her he hates her, but she says that nonetheless, he will always save her. Luke in bullet-hole hoodie, still same day.
            • Dapper Dan exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born in the 1950s.
            • The Notorious B.I.G. exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Christopher George Latore Wallace on May 21, 1972.
            • The Battle of the Alamo exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Started February 23, 1836.
            • KRS-One exists in the MCU. Born Lawrence Parker on August 20, 1965.
        • Mariah wants Harlem's Paradise packed out tonight, which could become relevant.
      • Shades' questioning recording begins, with Patricia as his attorney. Colin Dunbar attends. Still same day, within the 24 hours.
          • Shades was born May 11, 1977.
          • This would make him meeting Darius aged 7 between May 11, 1984 and May 10, 1985.
          • "My last year in Seagate, me and Comanche got paid by this juiced-in-guard, Rackham, to beat the s**t out of some guy named Carl Lucas." This is difficult, because he was released in late 2015, but Luke was out by late 2013.
            • Billy Batts exists in the MCU. Born William Bentvena on January 19, 1921.
      • Luke walks along and the radio reports on the party tonight.
        • Again, the event is tonight.
            • Heather B. Gardner exists in the MCU. Born November 13, 1971.

      - - - -MLC 2,12 c- - - -

      • Tilda gives John a super-shot of Nightshade to use just one time.
            • Prohibition in the United States exists in the MCU. Started 1920.
      • Shades talks about shooting up Pop's Barber Shop. Patricia leaves, finding him indefensible.
        • Continuation of Shades scenes. This eliminates MLC 2,12 c.
      • Luke gets back to the barber shop and warns them about the party.
        • The party is still "tonight". This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,12 c.
            • 1999 by Prince exists in the MCU. Released September 24, 1982. Prince exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Prince Nelson on June 7, 1958.
      • Luke walks to the high point in Harlem and thinks things through on how to act.
      • Shades tells them how Mariah killed Cottonmouth, how they paid Candace, and how he then killed her. He tells them about Mariah killing Anansi.
          • Shades describes Candace's clothing on the night of her death as "Sunday morning casual on a Friday night". I'm not sure if that means it was a Friday night, because it wasn't, it was Thursday, December 3, 2015.
      • Misty cries at reliving everything she's had to go through.
        • The possible calendar is shown again. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (34:39 - 1:00) = 33:39 of about (62:27 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 59:17, so should look about 56.8% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Misty continues to talk to Shades, now about Darius and the .38 gun. Darius' mother walks in, now knowing the truth, and spits on him.
        • Anansi's file has a date of death at the top that I can't quite make out. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (35:41 - 1:00) = 34:41 of about (62:27 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 59:17, so should look about 58.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Night falls over Harlem.
      • Luke reads to calm down.
      • Bushmaster feels he cannot possibly lose.
      • Luke heads out to the party.
      • Shades goes to Mariah in the roots and tells her he is allergic to her rubbish, but wants to talk. Misty watches on.
      • Luke arrives at the party. KRS-One performs.
            • Love's Gonna Get'cha (Material Love) by KRS-One exists in the MCU. Released July 5, 1990.
            • Boogie Down Productions exists in the MCU. Formed 1985.
            • Mercedes-Benz exists in the MCU. Founded June 28, 1926.
      • Mariah wants an apology from Shades. Misty and Luke talk.
            • Ike Turner exists in the MCU. Born Izear Turner, Jr. on November 5, 1931.
        • Misty has spend "all day" with Shades. This reaffirms the elimination of MLC 2,12 b and c.
      • Tilda directs Bushmaster through the secret entrance.
            • Jack of Spades by Boogie Down Productions exists in the MCU. Released July 4, 1989 on Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip Hop.
      • Mariah takes Shades to the lair to talk. She pulls a gun on him and exposes his mic, having guessed what was going on.
      • Shooting begins in the Paradise and KRS-One runs.
      • Watching the TVs behind Mariah, Shades tells her Bushmaster's here.
      • Bushmaster makes his way to Mariah.
      • Shades tells Mariah to get behind him. Bushmaster attacks and she wonders where Luke Cage is.
      • Luke gets up to go after Bushmaster.
      • Luke and Bushmaster get in another fight in the lair and Luke has the opportunity to kill him, but refuses. He escapes.
      • Ridley tells Luke says Bushmaster is gone. Shades hands Misty the .38 and Misty finally gets to arrest Mariah.

      [Episode 13 - They Reminisce Over You]
      - - - -MLC 2,13 a- - - -

      • Mariah is addressed in court. Rosalie Carbone arrives. A Jamaican stands up in court and shouts that Mariah murdered her children. There is chaos on the streets.
            • Delta Sigma Theta exists in the MCU. Founded January 13, 1913.
            • Rikers Island exists in the MCU. Established 1932.
            • Hurricane Katrina exists in the MCU. Began August 23, 2005.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 b- - - -

      • Misty gets in a gun fight with a criminal. Themi reports on WJBP that violent crime has increased 75% since the arraignment.
        • "11 18" registration. This would mean that it is between November 2017 and November 2018 if it is a 1-year sticker, if not after November 2016 if it is a 2-year sticker.
            • Columbia University exists in the MCU. Established 1754.
      • D.W. is packaging up items from the shop as he watches the news report
        • Old ladies in Sunday hats are being attacked. Not sure that this actually means it has to be Sunday.
            • The New Yorker exists in the MCU. First issue February 21, 1925.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 c- - - -

      • Misty accuses Tilda of helping Bushmaster. Tilda says she needs a warrant. Once she's gone, Sheldon comes out with a feverish Bushmaster.
            • Patty Hearst exists in the MCU. Born February 20, 1954.
        • Seemingly not long since the last episode considering Bushmaster is still at Mother's Touch.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 d- - - -

      • Shades comes to the barber shop. He tells Luke that he needs to go after Rosalie Carbone.
            • Fania All-Stars exist in the MCU. Formed 1968.
        • The robbery was "the other day" and was after Mariah was arrested. If I had to guess, that was 2 days ago and the arrest was 3.
          • Hector died of an aneurysm this morning.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 e- - - -

      • Mariah is met by Kalinda in prison. She tricks her into giving her a knife then slits her throat.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 f- - - -

      • Luke goes to meet with Carbone. She has him attacked but he holds her men off and they discuss business.
        • No particular reason why Luke would have waited a day to go after Carbone. This would eliminate MLC 2,13 e and f. 50% eliminated.
            • The Payback by James Brown exists in the MCU.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 g- - - -

      • Sheldon takes Bushmaster away in a car.
        • Follow-up on them in Mother's Touch earlier. This would eliminate MLC 2,13 d, e, and f. MLC 2,13 d and g 50% eliminated, MLC 2,13 e and f 50% further eliminated.
        • "3 19" registration. Would mean between March 2018 and March 2019 if 1-year sticker, if not, March 2017 and March 2019 if 2-year sticker.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 h- - - -

      • Mariah says to Donovan that they could play it like Shades was manipulative with her.
            • Porsche exists in the MCU. Founded 1931.
            • Sammy Gravano exists in the MCU. Born Salvatore Gravano on March 12, 1945.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 i- - - -

      • Misty analyses all the crime scenes. She realises Mariah is cleaning house.
        • Victims 6 and 7 tonight. This would suggest roughly 2 victims per night, so Victims 4 and 5 the night before, 2 and 3 the night before that, and 1 the night before that. If 1 was the night of the arrest, then this makes it about 3 days since her arrest.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 j- - - -

      • Alex goes to Tilda for help, but she refuses.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 k- - - -

      • Luke and Sugar talk at sunset.
            • Teddy Riley exists in the MCU. Born Edward Theodore Riley on October 8, 1967.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 l- - - -

      • One of Mariah's men tries to kill Shades, but he shoots the man before he can attack. He calls Mariah to meet.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 m- - - -

      • Alex's mother screams over her son's dead body.
        • Follow-up on Alex going to Tilda, so presumably the same night. This would eliminate MLC 2,13 k, l, and m. 75% eliminated.
      • Shades meets with Mariah in prison. He tells her that they could've been out there at the top of the game if she'd just listened to him. Donovan tells her Tilda just called.
        • Follow-up on Tilda after talking to Alex then going to call Mariah. This eliminates MLC 2,13 k, l, and m.
      • Alex's body is bagged up. Luke decides that he needs to meet with Mariah.
      • Tilda and Mariah excuses her actions as being caused by her rape. She says Harlem loves her, and that her motherhood was a gift to Tilda, because she'll never experience worse. Tilda is disgusted. She mysteriously kisses her mother on the lips and wishes her well before leaving.
      • Mariah realises Tilda doesn't care for her. Donovan tells her Luke called.

      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,13 n- - - -

      • Luke walks along the streets.
      • Tilda goes to Harlem's Paradise and plays a song on the keyboard as she comes to terms with her actions. Misty trains. Shades looks at a photo.
        • Only hours after her discussion with her mother. This eliminates MLC 2,13 n.
      • Luke meets with Mariah to talk. Mariah suddenly splutters and falls, coughing up blood. She dies in his arms, telling him they're not done yet.

      Next day.

      • The New York Bulletin reports on Mariah's death on its front page, saying "The Witch Is Dead".
        • Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (48:11 - 1:00) = 47:11 of about (69:20 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 66:10, so should look about 71.3% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      - - - -MLC 2,13 o- - - -

      • Misty arrests Shades, now that his deal no longer counts with Mariah dead.
        • Misty is unlikely to wait to do this. This would eliminate MLC 2,13 o. 75% eliminated.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 p- - - -

      • Tilda talks to Spurlock, and says to merely cremate Mariah with no fanfare. She decides she is Tilda Johnson, and there are no more Stokes family members.

      - - - -MLC 2,13 q- - - -

      • D.W. says it's weird with Mariah gone. Sheldon arrives and D.W. is upset at Luke for becoming what he classifies as a crime boss. He insists Pop's must be Switzerland and tells him he has to leave, but that he will pay the rent and keep it going.
        • They talk about having "heard the news", very much suggesting this is not long after Mariah's death (it's at least a day). This would eliminate MLC 2,13 o, p, and q. MLC 2,13 o 75% further eliminated, MLC 2,13 p and q 75% eliminated..
        • D.W. says, "Personally I haven't felt this weird since November 9th." This implies that November 9, 2016 (the day Trump was announced as the new president-elect) was the last November 9th, making this September 2017. If not, it could be September 2018, but cannot be 2016.
            • Trump, or a Trump-like figure, was announced as president-elect on November 9, 2016.
            • The Godfather exists in the MCU (has been revealed before), including the Corleone family. Released March 24, 1972.
            • The Godfather: Part II exists in the MCU, including Hyman Roth. Released December 20, 1974.
            • Donald Trump exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born June 14, 1946.
        • The lease is running out, suggesting the "few weeks" are nearly up.
      • The will is read. Tilda is gifted Cornell's keyboard. Luke is given Harlem's Paradise. Luke says they should probably burn it to the ground.
            • Jean-Michel Basquiat exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born December 22, 1960.
            • The Studio Museum in Harlem exists in the MCU. Established 1968.

      At least next day.
      - - - -MLC 2,13 r- - - -

      • Luke takes on Harlem's Paradise. Misty tells him not to become a fool. She's worried for him as he talks to Sugar about a meeting with Rosalie Carbone and Anibal Izqueda.
      • Luke has the Biggie photo replced with Ali. Rakim performs a song about Luke as Luke watches on. D.W. reopens the shop, with a help needed sign. Sugar tells Luke Claire has arrived, but he has her sent away. He is conflicted about his new position, but tries to remember his father's words.
            • Muhammad Ali exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. on January 17, 1942.
            • Rakim exists in the MCU. Born William Michael Griffin Jr. on January 28, 1968.
            • Duke Ellington exists in the MCU. Born Edward Ellington on April 29, 1899.
            • Marcus Garvey exists in the MCU. Born Marcus Garvey Jr. on August 17, 1887.
            • Joe Louis exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born May 13, 1914.
            • Lena Horne Malcolm exists in the MCU. Born June 30, 1917.
            • Malcolm X exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born 1925.
            • Miles Davis exists in the MCU (has been revealed before). Born May 26, 1926.
            • Louis Armstrong exists in the MCU. Born August 4, 1901.

      The Potential Gaps

      Now, breaking down the potential gaps:

      • MLC 2,1 a - Full, 0% eliminated.
        • MLC 2,1 b - X.
      • MLC 2,1 c - 25% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 d - 62.5% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 e - 62.5% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 f - 25% eliminated.
        • MLC 2,1 g - X.
      • MLC 2,1 h - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 i - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 j - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 k - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 l - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 m - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 n - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,1 o - 75% eliminated.
        • MLC 2,1 p - X.
        • MLC 2,2 a - X.
        • MLC 2,2 b - X.
        • MLC 2,2 c - X.
        • MLC 2,2 d - X.
        • MLC 2,2 e - X.
        • MLC 2,2 f - X.
        • MLC 2,2 g - X.
        • MLC 2,2 h - X.
        • MLC 2,2 i - X.
        • MLC 2,2 j - X.
        • MLC 2,2 k - X.
        • MLC 2,2 l - X.
        • MLC 2,2 m - X.
        • MLC 2,3 a - X.
        • MLC 2,3 b - X.
        • MLC 2,3 c - X.
        • MLC 2,3 d - X.
        • MLC 2,3 e - X.
        • MLC 2,3 f - X.
        • MLC 2,3 g - X.
        • MLC 2,3 h - X.
        • MLC 2,3 i - X.
        • MLC 2,3 j - X.
        • MLC 2,3 k - X.
        • MLC 2,4 a - X.
      • MLC 2,4 b - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,4 c - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,5 a - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,5 b - 93.75% eliminated.
        • MLC 2,5 c - X.
        • MLC 2,5 d - X.
        • MLC 2,5 e - X.
        • MLC 2,5 f - X.
        • MLC 2,5 g - X.
        • MLC 2,5 h - X.
        • MLC 2,5 i - X.
        • MLC 2,6 a - X.
        • MLC 2,6 b - X.
        • MLC 2,6 c - X.
        • MLC 2,7 a - X.
        • MLC 2,7 b - X.
        • MLC 2,7 c - X.
        • MLC 2,7 d - X.
        • MLC 2,7 e - X.
        • MLC 2,8 a - X.
        • MLC 2,10 a - X.
        • MLC 2,10 b - X.
        • MLC 2,10 c - X.
        • MLC 2,10 d - X.
        • MLC 2,10 e - X.
        • MLC 2,10 f - X.
        • MLC 2,11 a - X.
        • MLC 2,11 b - X.
        • MLC 2,11 c - X.
        • MLC 2,11 d - X.
        • MLC 2,12 a - X.
        • MLC 2,12 b - X.
        • MLC 2,12 c - X.
      • MLC 2,13 a - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 b - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 c - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 d - 50% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 e - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 f - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 g - 50% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 h - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 i - Full, 0% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 j - Full, 0% eliminated.
        • MLC 2,13 k - X.
        • MLC 2,13 l - X.
        • MLC 2,13 m - X.
        • MLC 2,13 n - X.
      • MLC 2,13 o - 93.75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 p - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 q - 75% eliminated.
      • MLC 2,13 r - Full, 0% eliminated.

      Days Put Together

      [Episode 1 - Soul Brother #1]
      Day A1
      Episode 1 beginning to minute 3ish.

      • Luke takes down people selling "Luke Cage" heroin.

      At least next day.

      Day A2
      Episode 1 minute 4ish to minute 10ish.

      • James Lucas talks about Luke Cage. Footage is shown of Luke getting a smoothie and scaring thugs, Ridenhour pinning up a photo of Luke, and Luke taking a selfie with children. This isn't concurrent though, since either side of this scene is Luke in the AACA hoodie, and there is also Season 1 footage, so it works as just a montage. Misty is shown brushing her hair with one hand, which probably is present.
      • D.W. talks to Bobby. The press come in to try to see Luke, but they send the man away. Luke comes in from the back.
      • Bobby and Luke talk about the rent problems.

      Day B1 (Seemingly same day. 25% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 10ish to minute 12ish.

      • 12:27 - Misty and Claire bounce a ball and discuss her arm.
        • Claire's still studying Misty's arm and Misty's not used to it, suggesting it's not long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.

      Day C1 (Seemingly same day. 62.5% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 12ish.

      • Shades picks up Comanche as he is released from prison.

      Day D1 (Seemingly same day. 62.5% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 12ish to minute 14ish.

      • Misty tells Luke she is done with getting involved in action.

      Day E1 (Seemingly same day. 25% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 14ish to minute 25ish.

      • Piranha meets with Mariah and Shades to discuss inside information he has about Atreus Plastics, and how an investment will make them money.
        • Not much has happened with Mariah and Shades since Season 1, suggesting it hasn't been too long.
        • The Black Enterprise magazine has a "May/June 201?" date but it could be 6 or 8. If it's 2018, that would suggest it's now at least April 2018. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (14:21 - 1:00) = 13:21 of about (56:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:00, so should look about 25.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Luke and Claire eat together and discuss his hero status and making money. A boy asks for a selfie.
      • Misty drinks by herself. Shades has Comanche beat up the waiter who mistook him for her nephew. Luke and Claire dance.
      • Luke and Claire sleep together.
      • Luke gets up in the night to go and help the streets.
      • Luke comes across Sugar. He claims to be reformed after having a daughter and gives Luke information. Luke knows he's lying about something, so he scratches his car before he goes.
        • Luke thinks Sugar might have had a prison stint since he last saw him. While it turns out he hasn't, the fact that Luke thinks he could have suggests it's been some time since Season 1.
      • Luke sees his father, James, for the first time since he left prison. They are hostile with each other, and part ways.

      Day F1 (At least next day, seemingly next day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 25ish to minute 28ish.

      • Mariah hires Stephanie, getting her to call herself "Billie" from now on.
        • Stephanie is due to start tomorrow. Whenever we see her working, it will have to be at least the next day.

      Day G1 (Seemingly same day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 28ish.

      • Bushmaster asks Sheldon about Harlem. He decides to take Brooklyn first.

      Day H1 (Seemingly same day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 28ish to minute 30ish.

      • D.W. comes back from a funeral and talks to Luke about the drugs being traded in Harlem. Together with Bobby, the three work out that Luke's El Tercero lead goes back to a man called Arturo Gomez III, now known as Arturo Rey III and running the company "Merlin".
        • It's possible that the Merlin advert has an expiry date or some sort of date. Waiting for HD screencap, at about (29:40 - 1:00) = 28:40 of about (56:10 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 53:00, so should look about 54.1% through the gallery when it comes out.

      Day I1 (Seemingly same day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 30ish to minute 41ish.

      • Joi performs at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah watches as Mark Higgins gets handsy with Stephanie.
        • Stephanie has begun work at Harlem's Paradise, so this is at least the day after she was hired.
      • Shades tells Mariah about their potential buyers.
      • Luke walks towards the club.
      • Joi continues to perform. Comanche and Cockroach talk about her and about Shades and Mariah.
      • The buyers talk with Mariah. Cockroach says he wants to encourage "black black" over other black residents in Harlem, such as the Jamaicans.
      • Luke arrives at the club. He knocks out Comanche and confronts Mariah. She points out that Claire is in the club, and he should be careful. He is surprised to see her there and worries for her, and chooses to leave.
        • Mariah speaks like she hasn't seen Luke since he got out of prison, suggesting it's not been long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.
      • Joi performs her next song. Luke and Claire walk home and argue about her putting herself in danger for him. They make up and kiss.

      Day J1 (At least next day, seemingly next day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 41ish to minute 42ish.

      • Sugar calls Luke to let him know about a shipment Arturo Rey will be involved in. He then calls Rey to let him know that Luke has taken the bait.
        • The book Luke is reading is Charcoal Joe by Walter Mosley, which was released June 16, 2016, so we're after that.

      Day K1 (Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 42ish to minute 43ish.

      • Misty bumps into Cockroach at the grocery store. He taunts her about Scarfe and harasses her.

      Day L1 (Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 43ish to minute 45ish.

      • Mariah drinks for Mama Mabel's birthday. Shades visits and they discuss Arturo and Cockroach.

      Day M1 (Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.)
      Episode 1 minute 45ish to end.

      • Luke arrives at the Merlin truck. Rey explodes it, but Luke walks out fine. Rey then shoots him with a Judas bullet, but it barely slows Luke down, to the surprise of both of them. Luke takes out Rey. D.W. reveals himself and tells Luke he's been filming it all. Luke films a video for any people threatening Harlem.
      • Misty goes to Ridenhour to ask for her job back. Luke arrives in his burned hoodie with Rey over his shoulder. Ridenhour tells him he needs to stop getting involved, but Luke asks instead for the police to improve.
      • Nigel returns home to find Bushmaster. Bushmaster is angry that Nigel is doing business with a Stokes and starts a fight, slicing open Nigel's head and taking all the gunfire from Nigel's men, with the bullets only lodging in his skin. He takes them all out.
      • Luke goes to Mariah with the failed Judas bullet and drops it on her table. He tells her never to threaten Claire again, saying that he will kill her if she does, and he leaves.

      Day M2
      Episode 2 beginning to minute 43ish.
      [Episode 2 - Straighten It Out]

      • Claire inspects Luke's skin, and comes to the conclusion that the second bath at Dr. Burstein's has made him even more indestructible.
      • Luke arrives at the Harlem Jets training ground to test his physical abilities.
      • Luke performs different sports and exercises and surpasses world records.
        • SC6 is on that night, and the show started on February 6, 2017. It also ended February 2, 2018, although that was likely something that couldn't have been predicted during filming, so it's not necessarily the intention that this evidence would place it before February 2, 2018. Still, ideally, it would fall between those dates, and it should be after February 6, 2017.
        • SC6 is on that night, making it a weekday.
      • Luke takes selfies with kids. Claire smiles, but then becomes concerned.
      • Claire tells Luke that she's worried there could be something worse than a Judas bullet. He insists he'll be fine.
      • 09:25 - Mariah demands to know why the Judas didn't work.
        • "Alternative facts" are referenced, which became a thing on January 22, 2017, placing this after then.
      • Misty reunites with Nandi, but wants her old desk back. She reunites with Bailey as well.
        • Misty is still trying to wrap her head around losing her arm, again suggesting not long since Marvel's The Defenders: Season 1.
      • Bushmaster walks through town. He recently got the bullets out of his chest, but it's edited as if it were a bit earlier. He encounters some children playing like they are Luke Cage, and asks who he is. They show him the video and he tells them that Luke just better not test him. He goes to Gwen's restaurant.
      • James enters Pop's and is still unpleasant with Luke. He leaves and Claire arrives. Luke explains about his father, and Claire thinks he should be more positive, wanting him to be happier about reconnecting with his father.
      • Misty goes to Arturo Rey's interrogation but Nandi tells her to leave. Bailey convinces her to go for it. Misty goes in to interrogate Rey, but Donovan arrives and has him sprung. Ridenhour scolds her.
        • Bailey's ID may have dates on it. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (13:55 - 1:00) = 12:55 of about (55:01 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:51, so should look about 24.9% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Misty calls Luke about Rey being sprung. He goes out "to fumigate".
        • Claire, Bobby, and Luke are all in the same clothes as earlier, meaning this is the same day as when James entered the shop. This eliminates MLC 2,2 h.
      • Luke hangs a man upside down for information.
      • Luke goes to the gym and applies extra mass to a man's weights as well as bending the bar, to pressure him for information as well. He gives the name Drea Powell.
      • Bushmaster talks to Anansi in Gwen's. He says he needs more nightshade.
        • A football ("soccer") game is on in the background, but no idea who is playing.
      • Mariah's lawyer tells her that to regain popularity, she should reconnect with her estranged daughter.
      • Shades and Comanche go after Rey. Shades becomes angry at him and shoots him.
      • Misty stands up in the precinct and tells everyone to stop picking on her about her arm. Rey's murder is reported in.
        • Misty is in the same clothes as earlier, suggesting it's the same day as Rey being sprung. This would eliminate MLC 2,2 i and j. 75% eliminated.
        • There might be some dates on the screens in the precinct. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (25:06 - 1:00) = 24:06 of about (55:01 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:51, so should look about 46.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
      • Misty looks at the scene of Rey's murder. She talks to Luke outside and gets an address on Drea Powell.
      • Mariah visits Tilda at Mother's Touch, but Tilda is hesitant to reconnect with her.
      • Luke goes to the Powells' house and talks to the son, but Drea turns him away. An elderly neighbour calls him over to tell him Dontrell spends time at a dice game.
      • Shades tells Mariah that he had to kill Arturo. He promises he'll sort the money for Piranha.
      • Luke goes to Cockroach's warehouse/club. He confronts Cockroach, but Cockroach fires into his shoulder and blasts him out of the window.
      • Bobby talks to Claire about his daughter. Luke calls Claire about his shoulder.
      • Claire fixes Luke's shoulder. They begin to argue, with her saying he is blaming his father too much for the things that go wrong in his life.
      • Bushmaster buys nightshade from Tilda.

      Day M3
      Episode 2 minute 43ish to end. Episode 3 beginning to end. Episode 4 beginning to minute 9ish.

      • Gary Clark Jr. performs at Harlem's Paradise. Shades promises Mariah he'll make up the rest of the money. Nandi watches within the club. Misty looks at a photo Nandi took. Tilda arrives to talk to Mariah, leaving Shades shocked.
      • Gary Clark Jr. continues to perform. Luke walks. Claire attends James' service. Bushmaster takes the nightshade. Cockroach attacks Drea. James tells an old Cherokee story.
      • The elderly neighbour calls Luke. He runs to the Powell home. Gary Clark Jr. continues to perform.
      • Luke breaks into the Powell home and attacks Dontrell. However, he becomes too aggressive and badly injures him. He releases him and takes a moment to consider his actions.

      [Episode 3 - Wig Out]

      • Claire helps deal with Dontrell and his family.
      • Misty arrives on the scene and says that she just wants to smooth out the situation. Luke tells her he still has to deal with Nigel.
      • Bushmaster wakes with two women in his bed. He talks to Sheldon, who tells him Arturo is dead.
      • Tilda plays on Cornell's keyboard. She sits to eat with Mariah. Shades enters and pulls her aside
      • Mariah and Shades.
      • Luke looks at his charts, then lays down to rest.
      • Misty talks to Cockroach in his hospital bed. He's rude to her again, winding her up, just as Nandi and Bailey enter. Nandi tells her to leave.
      • Bobby finds Luke asleep. He talks about Claire, when Claire enters. She explains that she didn't call the police, but is worried that Luke is becoming too brutal.
      • Ridenhour scolds Misty for letting Luke go.
      • Luke visits Gwen's and asks the Jamaicans about Nigel, but they tell him to go away.
      • Shades goes to visit Nigel but finds Bushmaster and Sheldon. They show him Nigel's severed head, but ask Shades to convince them to join the deal.
      • Luke tails Mouse, following him as he heads back to Bushmaster.
      • Mariah holds a fundraiser and Tilda comes.
      • Misty trains with Colleen, who wants her to stop treating herself like a cripple. They leave to drink.
      • Claire visits James and asks him for advice on how to help Luke, without revealing that she's talking about James' son, although he begins to suspect when she accidentally says "Luke". He tells her she needs to find her purpose if she wants to help her boyfriend find his.
      • Mouse gets back to the warehouse and Luke follows, confronting the Yardies. One-by-one, they attack Luke and fail. Bushmaster watches on, learning his fighting style.
      • At the fundraiser, Mariah gives a speech about her Family First initiative.
      • Misty and Colleen are drinking together when they're approached by a man called Morty, trying to flirt. He becomes hostile when he realises Misty got his brother arrested. A fight breaks out and Misty learns to manage without her right arm.
      • Bushmaster mixes more nightshade while he studies Luke's fighting style.
      • Mariah meets with Mark Higgins and blackmails him with the footage of him with Stephanie/Billie. Tilda arrives, having not said bye after the Family First speech. She tells her mother that she'll give her one more chance.
      • Luke gets home and he and Claire begin to argue. He insists that brutality is necessary, but Claire tells him he's changing because of his violence. He says that he will be feared anyway, buts he tells him to rise above racism. He wants to be able to use his anger to connect with violent people. She feels he's blaming others for his pain, and reveals that she went to see James. He loses control and punches the wall and Claire realises she needs space and time away.
      • As Luke walks following the argument, he is suddenly attacked by Bushmaster.

      [Episode 4 - I Get Physical]

      • D.W. goes to Luke as Bushmaster attacks him. Luke loses to him, and D.W. films as Bushmaster announces himself for the citizens of Harlem.
      • D.W. and other citizens help Luke up.
      • Bobby helps Luke as he gets back to the barber shop.
      • Nandi is messing around when Bailey finds the video of Luke. Misty is unimpressed with his excitement.
        • Nandi's ID may have some sort of date. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (06:44 - 1:00) = 05:44 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 11.2% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • The YouTube video doesn't seem to have a visible date, but will have to check to be sure. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (06:53 - 1:00) = 05:53 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 11.5% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]
        • Amanda Nunes vs. Ronda Rousey has happened, making this later than December 31, 2016.

      Day M4
      Episode 4 minute 9ish to minute 46ish.

      • 10:00 - Piranha visits Mariah to talk about their success with Mark Higgins. Comanche walks in and plays the video of Luke being taken down.
      • Luke is also watching the ESPN video at the barber shop.
        • First Take is on, meaning it is a weekday.
      • Luke finds D.W. selling DVDs of his beatdown. He tells him he saw Claire leaving.
      • Shades takes Mariah aside to talk, realising she recognised the Bushmaster name when he mentioned it.
      • Luke goes to Claire's apartment after what D.W. said, only to find it is being sublet.
      • Shades tells Comanche to guard Harlem's Paradise. Comanche taunts him about Mariah's control over him.
      • Misty picks up Luke as he leaves Claire's apartment, wanting to go after Nigel.
      • They arrive at the location given for the Yardies and Misty gears up.
        • Misty's car has a "9 18" sticker. If it's a 1-year sticker, that would make it between September 2017 and September 2018. It could be a 2-year sticker, which would make it between September 2016 and September 2018.
      • On entering the warehouse, Misty and Luke find herbs from "Mother's Touch" and then Nigel's headless body. They realise Misty has to report it in.
      • 18:25 - Comanche tells Mariah he learned about stocks during his imprisonment, and that Piranha might be scamming her. They're both in the same clothes and this is while he's guarding Harlem's Paradise, so no gap.
      • Misty and Luke talk to Tomas. He tells them about the Yardies and Nigel, and how the new group known as the Stylers are bigger. Misty heads to Jersey with Tomas to interrogate Shaw.
      • Christone "Kingfish" Ingram soundchecks at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah looks at an old Bulletin clipping about Harlem's Paradise. Luke sits sadly on a train and someone takes a photo of him. Tilda checks the ingredients she sold to Bushmaster. Mariah and Luke are in the same clothes and Luke has still only just taken the picture of the Mother's Touch bag, there's no gap.
        • An advert says "-SH. August 24th. Appearing only at Harlem's Paradise". It's unclear who the advert is promoting, it could be Christone "Kingfish" Ingram, especially considering the "-SH", but it could be someone else. However, this suggests it is coming up to August 24th or is August 24th. Possibly, it's just after August 24th and they haven't taken the advert down yet.
      • Luke asks Tilda about whether she helped Bushmaster, but she pretends to not be sure. However, she asks him about the experiment that gave him his strength and then helps him with his concussion, giving him a herbal remedy. They're both still in the same clothes and he wouldn't have waited to follow up on the Mother's Touch lead, no gap.
      • Misty questions Gideon Shaw. He tells her about the story Anansi told about the people at the top of the hill, and how John has come to end their time.
      • Christone "Kingfish" Ingram performs at Harlem's Paradise. Mariah gets out some bushmaster rum, and Bushmaster arrives. He tells her Harlem is beginning to feel like home. He asks her how much she knows about the history of Harlem's Paradise, and she intentionally doesn't mention Quincy McIver, his grandfather. He calls her Mariah Stokes to aggravate her, and leaves. Shades asks Ray Ray to guard Harlem's Paradise, and he says Comanche left after his mother called. Follow-up on soundcheck, no gap.
      • Bushmaster goes back to Gwen's and greets his friends and family, who are impressed with his takedown of Cage. Anansi is a little more reserved, but John tells him about how he has now seen his kingdom, and with Luke taken down, the guard dog is out of the way.
      • Shades waits outside in a car, having followed Bushmaster back to the restaurant.
        • Shades' car has a "1 18" registration. If this is a 1-year registration, this means it is between January 2017 and January 2018. It's possible that it's a 2-year registration, which would mean it is between January 2016 and January 2018.
      • Comanche goes to see Ridenhour, who is the person he was really going to visit. Ridenhour has him as an insider at Harlem's Paradise. Comanche doesn't want to push for more information in fear that he'll give himself away.

      Day N1 (Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.)
      Episode 4 minute 46ish to minute 47ish.

      • Misty finds a Rand Enterprises envelope on her desk. Opening it, she finds it's a note from Danny and Colleen along with a blueprint for a prosthetic arm they've made her.
        • Possible dates on the files on the table. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (46:13 - 1:00) = 45:13 of about (54:30 - 1:00 - 2:10) = 51:20, so should look about 88.1% through the gallery when it comes out. [Needs to be revisited.]

      Day O1 (Seemingly same day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 4 minute 47ish to end.

      • Bobby tells Luke his daughter needs a liver transplant, and that he's a donor match and will fly out tomorrow. A man enters the shop and tells Luke he's being legally served.

      Day P1 (At least next day. 0% eliminated.)
      Episode 5 beginning to minute 6ish.
      [Episode 5 - All Souled Out]

      • Ben Donovan represents Cockroach while Foggy represents Luke. Cockroach accuses Luke of abusing him. Luke accidentally breaks the table.
      • Foggy tells Luke the money that will be needed for Dontrell: $100,000.
        • Luke has 72 hours to pay, which may be significant for the day-to-day breakdown.

      Day Q1 (Seemingly same day. 93.75% eliminated.)
      Episode 5 minute 6ish to end. Episode 6 beginning to minute 41ish.

      • Mariah has Tilda come to the clinic to ask her to be her medical director.
        • Mariah has an event at the clinic "this evening", which may be significant.
        • Atreus sold "just a few days ago". The merger was "tomorrow" when Mariah blackmailed Mark Higgins, and the scene where she and Piranha celebrate is definitely the next morning, so yes, the merger was that morning. This means it has been a few days since that scene.
      • Misty tries her new arm at Rand Enterprises, lifting a mug.
      • Foggy calls to tell Luke about the possibility of being paid to attend a party event, but he turns him down. Misty visits and they discuss the problem with Cockroach.
        • Luke has The Force by Don Winslow, which was only released on June 20, 2017. This would suggest it is after that date.
        • Luke has some other books, which deserve a placement on the timeline, and could, like The Force, be relevant to the placement. Waiting for a HD screencap, at about (10:19 - 1:00) = 9:19 of abou