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  • The reason i came to you is this:On Hel page there is a image from Thor 3 Ragnorak Trailer wich depictes Fire like creatures ( obviously Fire Demons ) and Thor chanied up in chanis in this Fire/Lava like world-wich surley isnt Hel since there is only one Fire realm and world depict in both MCU,Marvel Comics,Disney and Norse Mythology.And that one is ruled by Surtur.
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    So i think like we saw in Thor 2 Dark World Convergance scenes were we see a Fire like realm that it is Muspheliem and not Helhiem ( Hel ). Now this photo taken from Thor 3 Ragnorak trailer depicts Hela in dark and shadowy like world wich is how Helhiem is suposed to look both in Norse Mythology and in Marvel Comics ,so i think we should put this image or other same images to that page Hel.
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    You or Admins of MCU ( Marvel Cinematic Univeres Wikia ) should probablyy of thinking of fixing that page.

    So what do you think ?

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    • I agree, Hel in the Norse Mythology looks much more like the scene with Hela and the Valkyrior than the one with Thor in chains. But the information that this fire realm is indeed Hel, came from Kevin Feige himself in the Thor: The Dark World commentary track. We still don't know if these two are:

      • The same place in two different points in time
      • Hell and Muspelheim, separately

      I think we should wait for more concrete information from official sources or even wait for the movie before we retcon that, since there are things that are a certain way in the comics and look different in the MCU (the Infinity Gems' colors for example).

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    • Those realms really confuse me, as I have barely any comicbook knowledge. So, according to the Nine Realms page, Hel is not a realm but a region located in Nilfheim, which appears to be an icy world just like Jotunheim. But considering Feige's comment, Hel seems in fire and one of the Nine Realms. Also, is it Fire Demons or Fire Giants?

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    • I really hope this upcoming movie clears up any confusion left hahaha. The Norse Mithology and the Marvel Comics names Surtur as a fire giant, but in the comics he is the leader of legions of Fire Demons, like the ones we see in Thor: God of Thunder.

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    • Oh, I see. Thanks.

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    • I think this image from the Marvel Wikia could help (taking into consideration that in the MCU, each of these realms is a planet).

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    • Blaublau94 wrote:
      I agree, Hel in the Norse Mythology looks much more like the scene with Hela and the Valkyrior than the one with Thor in chains. But the information that this fire realm is indeed Hel, came from Kevin Feige himself in the Thor: The Dark World commentary track. We still don't know if these two are:
      • The same place in two different points in time
      • Hell and Muspelheim, separately

      I think we should wait for more concrete information from official sources or even wait for the movie before we retcon that, since there are things that are a certain way in the comics and look different in the MCU (the Infinity Gems' colors for example).


      Yep hey guys ,sorry for not answering you soner i had other duties that had to be done.

      And about topic "Hel Page" well i agree with you Blaublau94 that Hel in that scene with Hela and Valkyrior looks truly like that realm, but since as you have said that Kevin Feige  tolled us that in MCU version Hel will be fire like realm i think he meant that Hel was also like a burring realm but maybe that scene with Hela and Valkyries was set on Nifelhiem  world since that is were Hel is located.I personaly think that scene as i showed you guys should until we see photos of how both Nifelhiem and Helhiem look should be put in that page,so that other fan users dont get confused,since humans souls i think dont look like molten Lava/Fire demonic creatures.

      So we already know that Hell and Muspheliem are seperat locations ,for example:Hell is dimension of afterlife plane of existance while Muspelheim is a world and realm of fizical plane,but my bigest ouestions are this :

      Are both God and Devil present in MCU,or not ?Or is Surtur the Devil of MCU or not ?

      Since Helhiem is a Purgatory realm,Hell is well just a Hell and Valhala is Hevean,i think that this 3 Thor film needs to clear that up.What do you think guys.

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    • Kunica wrote:

      Blaublau94 wrote:

      Are both God and Devil present in MCU,or not ?Or is Surtur the Devil of MCU or not ?

      Since Helhiem is a Purgatory realm,Hell is well just a Hell and Valhala is Hevean,i think that this 3 Thor film needs to clear that up.What do you think guys.

      I don't think Marvel will ever get to these religious topics... the closest we got was that Cap line in The Avengers when Thor leaves the Quinjet with Loki. Even the comics keep it as vague as possible, with characters like The One Above All and Mephisto.
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    • Yeah you are right,but it begs the ouestion since Hell actully apeard and God or Devil are actully present in both Marvel Comics so it whould kinda make senes that they exist since monsters,deities,demons,creatures,afterlife or evean aliens is in some way connected to Paranprmal/Supernatural religion and belife.

      And both God in Christian sense as i have studied many mythologies and religions ,he is an Celestialsapian being that has existed beyond and before creation of univeres,and of course is responisible for creation of reality,space,time,univeres,matter,fizical and spiritual worlds and life,but he is the Source of Good and Love while Devil is a Surce of Evil and Courropt,that is how i understand that religion.

      But they dont need to show it just acknoweldge it.

      And hey a kinda edited page Nine Realms, so can just see if did it ok or did i do something wrong.

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    • Since we are going to wait for Marvel to confirm wich is wich, it is better to leave it the way it is.

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    • The Hell where the Spirit of Vengeance came from is not necessarily the Hell as we know it. It's just a parallel dimension which, among other realms like Hel, might have given inspiration for the religious concept of Hell (Just like Hive and Ghost Rider being called the Devil multiple times). I doubt souls of the dead literally travel to Hell or Hel.

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    • Silacko wrote: The Hell where the Spirit of Vengeance came from is not necessarily the Hell as we know it. It's just a parallel dimension which, among other realms like Hel, might have given inspiration for the religious concept of Hell (Just like Hive and Ghost Rider being called the Devil multiple times). I doubt souls of the dead literally travel to Hell or Hel.

      I Completely agree.

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    • Ok guys lets wait and see.There are still lot more unanswerd ouestions about both other worlds,realms and dimension,so lets see what will Thor 3 Ragnorak film bring us.

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    • Silacko wrote:
      The Hell where the Spirit of Vengeance came from is not necessarily the Hell as we know it. It's just a parallel dimension which, among other realms like Hel, might have given inspiration for the religious concept of Hell (Just like Hive and Ghost Rider being called the Devil multiple times). I doubt souls of the dead literally travel to Hell or Hel.

      Well i think like i said in one of mine previous comments ,that Hell is Hell while Hel or Helhiem is Purgatory and Valhala is Hevean,thats what i think.But we have to see it.

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