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Secret Invasion Template[]

The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it.

Proposed template will be implemented solely on War Machine's page. • MJLogan95 • Message Wall • Contributions 22:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Given the intentional ambiguity surrounding when James Rhodes was replaced by the Skrull Raava, I propose that the wiki create a custom template to flag content from this time period within his page as potentially involving Raava rather than Rhodey. This would help readers understand that, in accordance with the intention of Marvel Studios, certain scenes may or may not feature the real Rhodey, without explicitly asserting a timeline one way or another that has otherwise not been confirmed.

Secret Invasion director Ali Selim stated:

"I think his legs not working in the end of episode six and him being in the hospital gown points to [Captain America: Civil War]. And, from there, does it have to be definitive, or is it more fun for the audience to go back and revisit every moment, every Rhodey moment and look at it with a different lens now that they think, ‘Oh, he might’ve been a Skrull there.’ And make the decision for themselves, or it’ll be answered in Armor Wars."

Kevin Feige also stated:

"We like the idea of fans going back and watching some of the other appearances of Rhodey and realizing that that wasn't him."

Because Marvel is deliberately leaving this ambiguous, we as a wiki should reflect that uncertainty instead of drawing conclusions for the reader. I believe a simple template similar in tone and structure to the dubious canon status would help maintain clarity and accuracy, linked here:

PROPOSED TEMPLATE EXAMPLE LINK

"Colonel Rhodes? How long have you been in here?"

The subject of this article involves a period in the MCU with unclear details about the character's identity. It is possible that certain events could be attributed to Raava, the Skrull impersonating him.

The following section contains information that could be attributed to Raava.

This concludes information that could be attributed to Raava.

I find this clarification brings us closer to official studio intentionality. Let me know what you all think. Criszz (talk) 21:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I completely agree with this idea. And think it is the best choice we have. for years now i've not been a fan of how the wiki handled this situation, treating it as fact Rhodey was replaced between FATWS and Secret Invasion, when statements by Feige indicate that is clearly not the case. So I support this -

E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 21:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I support this.Weird875 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

What a fantastic idea. Ashley69420 (talk) 22:06, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I support. SirDot (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I am in support of this template being added since Marvel Studios was quite ambiguous with how long Rhodey had been a skrull. Good job Ccrisz

Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 22:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure I entirely agree with thus compromise. I personally think that it shoukd be noted, but I think that something in Behind the Scenes would be more suitable. However, if it were to go through, I think only section templates suffice, like how we do dubious canon section templates. I also think it is only necessary on Rhodey's page and nothing else. Maybe some select items or locations too, but not the timeline or events pages. I think that aspect needs to be discussed further. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:55, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with limiting it only to Rhodey's page. His info is otherwise too deeply embedded within information in other pages, and his article alone can speak for itself. I believe limiting it to his page also means the main template can still be listed just once at the top. I'm open to limiting it to just section templates, but I feel the main template has good explanatory information (as well as a fun, relevant quote). I just like how pages that are entirely dubious like Daimon Helstrom currently utilize the main template at the top. Criszz (talk) 23:03, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

If the top article template is only on Rhodey's then I would be okay with that. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Wonderful! Criszz (talk) 23:29, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm in favor 🙂 DrewVeenstra (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Raff raises good points and I agree; I think it should only be used on Rhodey's page. I was initially going to say that the top template is unnecessary, but if we do in fact use it for Daimon Helstrom then for consistency Rhodey should get it at the top of his page as well. I support. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 00:27, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

For the record, Daimon and Rhodey's situation is no where near the same thing and that shouldn't be the reason why the top template is decided. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I fully agree with adding the top and section templates to Rhodey's page. Marvel Studios's intention needs to be reflected in this case. MalchonC (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal. - GarrettSMW | Message Wall • Contributions 01:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I support. - Leo | Message Wall • Contributions 14:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea for a very unique situation. I support the implementation of this template. -

Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions 04:21, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it.