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- Renamed to Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness
My suggestion is Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Crusade. GarrettPlayzRBLX (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Unless the use of the word "multiversal" is considered obsolete because it has already been used for the Spider-Man Multiversal Crisis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown contributor (message wall • contribs)
- Despite the fact there's a name suggestion to change this article to "Children's Crusade", I don't actually see a formal proposal written here on the talk page. I disagree with this exact rename as I think it is way too vague, but I do like the train of thought, so my proposition would be to rename this article to Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children or Crusade for Tommy and Billy Maximoff.
Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs • Discord - 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Mister Explicit, Children's Crusade is too vague. Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children would be better.- Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm with Mister Explicit. The story in the comics is the exact opposite of what this story is, and it doesn't describe this event. The Children are not leading any crusade, so it isn't their crusade, labeling it as such would be incorrect. Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children still takes inspiration from the comic title, but actually reflects what is happening, unlike Children's Crusade. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I also agree with Mister Explicit. I've seen this being called a "direct adaptation of the comics," which I fully disagree with. Other than the concept of a search between the characters, I just don't see the similarities between the storylines at all. Criszz (talk) 19:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I still push for Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with Raff. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 15:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I still push for Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- I also agree with Mister Explicit. I've seen this being called a "direct adaptation of the comics," which I fully disagree with. Other than the concept of a search between the characters, I just don't see the similarities between the storylines at all. Criszz (talk) 19:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm with Mister Explicit. The story in the comics is the exact opposite of what this story is, and it doesn't describe this event. The Children are not leading any crusade, so it isn't their crusade, labeling it as such would be incorrect. Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children still takes inspiration from the comic title, but actually reflects what is happening, unlike Children's Crusade. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Mister Explicit, Children's Crusade is too vague. Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children would be better.- Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Despite the fact there's a name suggestion to change this article to "Children's Crusade", I don't actually see a formal proposal written here on the talk page. I disagree with this exact rename as I think it is way too vague, but I do like the train of thought, so my proposition would be to rename this article to Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children or Crusade for Tommy and Billy Maximoff.
Vague or not, it is a direct translation of a name from a storyline from the comics, whose similarities and paralelisms to the movie are too many to be disregarded.--Shabook (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Why should it matter if it's vaguely related to the comics storyline, it is a flat out inacurate name for the mcu storyline. - E-Scope04 (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest Hunt for America Chavez. It's a presently unique name that accurately describes Wanda's goal throughout the movie, even if it doesn't get to the part about the kids. Even the bits on Mount Wundagore with her and Wong about her trying to find and sacrifice America to get her powers. -Jessica3801 (talk) 00:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- What if we just go in an entirely different direction with Scarlet Witch's Dreamwalking? - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 00:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- That name doesn't encompass Scarlet Witch's main goal. She was hunting America, yes, but she was hunting her so she could steal her powers to go to a universe where her children were alive. Her main goal was getting her children. Hunting America was a step towards that goal. I feel like we've all agreed upon Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children or Children's Crusade. - GarrettPlayzRBLX (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- I might be wrong about ths, but I just realized we might not be able to use the word Crusade because it's already been used for the Crusade Against Monsters. Unless we rename that one, too. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 23:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, we wouldn't rename Crusade Against Monsters since it was officially referred to as that by Ulysses Bloodstone (see the quote in the lede of the Crusade Againt Monsters). Meaning we can't use Crusade. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 22:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- That name doesn't encompass Scarlet Witch's main goal. She was hunting America, yes, but she was hunting her so she could steal her powers to go to a universe where her children were alive. Her main goal was getting her children. Hunting America was a step towards that goal. I feel like we've all agreed upon Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children or Children's Crusade. - GarrettPlayzRBLX (talk) 15:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- The only "Crusade" there is is the Crusade Against Monsters so Crusade is not really obsolete yet. Therefore, I resuggest Crusade
fromfor Scarlet Witch's Children. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)- That could work. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 03:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- "From"? Wouldn't "for" make more sense? Also, what about Scarlet Witch's Children Crusade? That way it changes the name from the comics, but now with the focus on SW and how she is the one that is doing the searching. Plus, and most importantly, it makes it less wordy, which I think is always the issue with coming up with names here.-Bozz77 (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know why I said "From" I meant "for". As for "Scarlet Witch's Children Crusade" it was previously argued not to use "Children's Crusade" so that would go against previous decisions. "Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children" is not that wordy and the "for" is necessary in my opinion. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 13:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I want to make sure my suggestion was clear, I am not suggesting Children's Crusade but a play on it with Scarlet Witch's Children Crusade. In that title, it's not "Children's" so that changes it completely. And even if you think the other one is not too wordy, your title makes it seem like other people are going after Scarlet Witch's children, and not actually her. It'd be like "Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Lost Treasure." That puts the subject not on SW, but unspecified others, so it'd be better to avoid that confusion, even if we don't go with mine.-Bozz77 (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know what you were suggesting, but it still is "Children's Crusade" but with a subject. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I want to make sure my suggestion was clear, I am not suggesting Children's Crusade but a play on it with Scarlet Witch's Children Crusade. In that title, it's not "Children's" so that changes it completely. And even if you think the other one is not too wordy, your title makes it seem like other people are going after Scarlet Witch's children, and not actually her. It'd be like "Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Lost Treasure." That puts the subject not on SW, but unspecified others, so it'd be better to avoid that confusion, even if we don't go with mine.-Bozz77 (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know why I said "From" I meant "for". As for "Scarlet Witch's Children Crusade" it was previously argued not to use "Children's Crusade" so that would go against previous decisions. "Crusade for Scarlet Witch's Children" is not that wordy and the "for" is necessary in my opinion. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 13:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two years later, I'm warming up to the idea suggested by Jessica3801 about the Hunt for America Chavez. I think the want to integrate "crusade" in the title of this article because of the Children's Crusade comic isn't entirely necessary. The whole movie revolves around a targeted chase (a hunt) for Chavez, it makes sense to me that this should be the name, it tells it how it is. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 21:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Jessica's proposal of Hunt for America Chavez. Not a fan of any of the Crusade options up above. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 01:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway you guys can think of a synonym to "Hunt"? We already have Hunt for Ronin, Hunt for the Sky World Fruit and Hunt for Man-Thing, albeit with the latter two being an event. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Jessica's proposal of Hunt for America Chavez. Not a fan of any of the Crusade options up above. •
- Kind of a change of direction but what about something like Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness? - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. This is you being reasonable. You're back on the lunch box. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. This is you being reasonable. You're back on the lunch box. •
- That Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness suggestion... literal chills. I'm honestly all for it, just one question: is the use of the word Multiversal allowed with the existence of the Spider-Man Multiversal Crisis? Also, we were looking for synonyms for the word hunt above; I looked some up to just get some ideas, but none of them really hit the mark. The best I found is Hounding of America Chavez because the verb hound is defined as ...[to] pursue relentlessly. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 04:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, not really a fan of Hounding. "Multiversal" can be used it is utilized differently "Multiversal Madness" vs "Multiversal Crisis". It is obsolete when it is utilized like conspiracies are with "Kingpin's Conspiracy" and "Schultz Conspiracy" there is no other clarification. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then awesome suggestion. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, not really a fan of Hounding. "Multiversal" can be used it is utilized differently "Multiversal Madness" vs "Multiversal Crisis". It is obsolete when it is utilized like conspiracies are with "Kingpin's Conspiracy" and "Schultz Conspiracy" there is no other clarification. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- As far as conventional names go, it's a bit of a wild choice that should in no way work... But that doesn't change the fact that it actually is pretty good. Again, it's terrible as far as using proper naming terms go, but as a comic book fan, I absolutely love it because of how good it sounds. Plus, it ties into the movie's name, it's a Multiversal matter, Wanda does go mad, I am in support. Bozz77 (talk) 08:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- That Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness suggestion... literal chills. I'm honestly all for it, just one question: is the use of the word Multiversal allowed with the existence of the Spider-Man Multiversal Crisis? Also, we were looking for synonyms for the word hunt above; I looked some up to just get some ideas, but none of them really hit the mark. The best I found is Hounding of America Chavez because the verb hound is defined as ...[to] pursue relentlessly. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 04:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's creative, but I personally prefer some of the other proposed options. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 22:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Scarlet Witch's Dreamwalk Pupeteering. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, because she wasn't dreamwalking the whole time. Her controlling Gargantos and sending it after America Chavez was not dreamwalking. And dreamwalking into your Variant's body already counts as "puppeteering" so it feels redundant to have both. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I know we just renamed Hunt for Ronin, but ngl, i think Hunt for America Chavez works way better here. because that’s exactly what wanda is doing, just hunting her down. maybe some variation like “Persuit of” or something. but i cant think of anything else as fitting -
E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 06:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with E-Scope. I think "Hunt for America Chavez" still works. Any synonym for "hunt" which makes contextual sense (Search, for example) has already been exhausted on the wiki. I think we'd be better off renaming one of the other Hunts that already exist if the obsolete naming is that strict (only one of which is a War, so a rename to those may not be needed anyway). - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 22:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have talked it over with staff. Because Hunt for Man-Thing and Hunt for the Sky World Fruit are official names (which is why they have "hunt" when it is not a naming convention for events), then we can consider the number of "hunts" that we have as only 1 (Hunt for Ronin). Because of that, "Hunt for America Chavez" is not really obsolete. So it can be used. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with E-Scope. I think "Hunt for America Chavez" still works. Any synonym for "hunt" which makes contextual sense (Search, for example) has already been exhausted on the wiki. I think we'd be better off renaming one of the other Hunts that already exist if the obsolete naming is that strict (only one of which is a War, so a rename to those may not be needed anyway). - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 22:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think Hunt for America Chavez has a lot of merit and is the simplest choice, I can't lie Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness is pretty cheeky and if it were chosen I wouldn't complain - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, because she wasn't dreamwalking the whole time. Her controlling Gargantos and sending it after America Chavez was not dreamwalking. And dreamwalking into your Variant's body already counts as "puppeteering" so it feels redundant to have both. •
Voting
It has been narrowed down to two options. Please vote below as the voting will close on August 21st or with 12 majority votes as per policy. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 00:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness
- Let's go! - Bozz77 (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think "Hunt for America Chavez" is just as fitting, but this one has the added benefit of being unique and also tying into the movie's title. Not often we get one of those. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Epic suggestion. Hunt for America Chavez doesn’t encompass her entire goal, because she was hunting her in order to get her children, while this one beautifully sums it up and adds a little Easter egg to the title, so it definitely has my vote. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 16:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I vote this as well. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 17:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Hunt for America Chavez
- I like this more since it describes Scarlet Witch's main goal. - DemKnux (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ditto. I prefer this rename. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Voting has concluded with Scarlet Witch's Multiversal Madness barely beating Hunt for America Chavez 4-2. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 17:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it.