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- We will treat the HYDRA "cops" as not being actual MPD cops • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 02:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Currently this Wiki treats MPD as being mentioned only in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and that the HYDRA cops just disguised themselves. However, I believe the HYDRA cops who attacked Nick Fury were actual MPD cops who were also part of HYDRA. If they had just been wearing a generic uniform, maybe, but they have MPD cruisers and gear. I believe Nick Fury's A.I. stating that there are no units in the area according to MPD dispatch is not only to let us know these aren't "cop cops", but also to indicate that these HYDRA cops (and their units) are not registered as being in the area to cover their tracks.
I think the page should therefore reflect that MPD did make an appearance in The Winter Soldier via corrupt cops loyal to HYDRA, instead of the current statement that HYDRA agents disguised themselves as MPD cops to attack Fury. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 21:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that the cops that attacked Nick Fury were actual cops who were undercover for HYDRA. The MPD also appears in other places in the film outside of the Attack on Nick Fury which could make it count for a full appearance. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 22:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- I never really thought they were real cops although I see what you are saying. But in my opinion, the note about there being no units in the area was for the purpose of showing it was not actually MPD. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:43, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- Where else in the movie does the MPD appear? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 18:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- The MPD is part of the Battle of Washington, D.C., in this screenshot here, an MPD car is blown up by the Winter Soldier. -
Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions 01:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- The MPD is part of the Battle of Washington, D.C., in this screenshot here, an MPD car is blown up by the Winter Soldier. -
- I support. Criszz (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speaking from a film making stand point, in my opinion, the scene is clearly meant to portray that they are not actual officers. In the audiences' minds it is like "Why are these cops looking at Fury like that? Oh they are attacking, are they HYDRA? There are no police units in the area, they are not officers, they are HYDRA." Unless there is more thinking afterwards, the scene seems to portray that they are not officers and undercover HYDRA. I wouldn't think there would be a reason to have the no units line if they were real cops. It would just be giving context to something we are seeing right in front of us while the purpose of the line is to show that these are not cops attacking Fury, but HYDRA attacking Fury. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- In the audiences' minds it is like "Why are these cops looking at Fury like that? [...] are they HYDRA?" Black man being stared at by white cops is what I think we were initially supposed to think. Anyway, I think the line is just let the audience know these aren't "cop cops" but "HYDRA cops." HYDRA's infiltrated all different levels, so the idea of HYDRA agents in the police department seems more likely to me than just HYDRA guys somehow obtaining police cruiser and uniforms specifically to assassinate a S.H.I.E.L.D. Director. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 06:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Speaking from a film making stand point, in my opinion, the scene is clearly meant to portray that they are not actual officers. In the audiences' minds it is like "Why are these cops looking at Fury like that? Oh they are attacking, are they HYDRA? There are no police units in the area, they are not officers, they are HYDRA." Unless there is more thinking afterwards, the scene seems to portray that they are not officers and undercover HYDRA. I wouldn't think there would be a reason to have the no units line if they were real cops. It would just be giving context to something we are seeing right in front of us while the purpose of the line is to show that these are not cops attacking Fury, but HYDRA attacking Fury. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- My interpretation was that it was HYDRA operatives disguised as police, not real MPD officers embedded within HYDRA. That line about "MPD showing no units in the area" seems like a clear cue to the audience that these aren’t real cops. It makes more sense to me that HYDRA either replicated or outright stole the cruisers, uniforms, and gear - something that's actually happened in real life more than once. On top of that, the attackers show up with heavy weapons like machine guns loaded with armor-piercing rounds, which isn't standard police issue. For that reason, I don't think these were standard MPD cops working for HYDRA, I think it was just HYDRA impersonating MPD. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 18:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Mister Explicit's interpretation on the situation. However, I do agree with Fish that we see the MPD outside this one event that would still constitute a full appearance.
Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Mister Explicit's interpretation on the situation. However, I do agree with Fish that we see the MPD outside this one event that would still constitute a full appearance.
The majority of people have made it clear their understanding of it is that these were not actual MPD cops but just HYDRA agents pretending to be. Part of my initial concern was wondering how HYDRA obtained the cruiser, but a political shooting that occurred in real life today as well as other incidents have made it clearer to me that those can be obtained. Anyway, the Wiki will treat this as just being HYDRA disguised as cops; however, MPD will go from "mentioned" to actually having an appearance as User:Fish Master 41 has shown that MPD proper did make an appearance in the movie. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 02:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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