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Jigsaw's Crime Spree

In accordance to the renaming that the Wiki has been going through, I suggest Jigsaw's Crime Spree. Now I was going through possible names in my head. The purpose of Jigsaw's plan here is a mix of lashing out over his emotions as well as a lack of memories that is driving him through Season 2. However, something like "revenge" does not really work here because he does not pursue the Punisher until a little bit into his plan. That was just an alteration. The true reason why this started is because Russo wanted to "give the world the middle finger." So that is why I think that Crime Spree is the best option here. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree, I think all the reasons you listed here make sense. Jigsaw did not seem to have a specific plan or goal in mind other than to wreak havoc, so it makes sense to refer to this as a crime spree. Criszz (talk) 07:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

New suggestion since the previous one seems to not work, how about Punishment of Frank Castle? It is a nice word play as well as describes Jigsaw's goal. Before knowing Castle scarred his face, Billy repeatedly saw images of the Punisher Vest, unknowing what it is. However, once he did find out, all he wanted to do was get back at Castle. He wanted to punish him, for not only what he did to his face, but for the image of the punisher skull. Throughout this, he not only physically punished Castle, but mentally as well as he killed innocent woman and pinned it on Castle, making him believe that his "punishing" was not the right thing and that he was a bad person. This is the worst punishment you can put on Castle and that is proven. In Daredevil, Castle admits that if he was shot at, the shooter better not miss. He also gave himself up to go to jail, showing that he does not care about any punishment, until what Russo does. Additionally, Russo continiously says he wants to make Castle suffer, goping on to say "I want him to feel what I felt. I want him to suffer." When confronting Castle he also says "I am you, Frank!" which kind of reflects how Castle is just as bad as Russo, they are the same, Russo is also a punisher. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Many Months later, I am personally fine with either Jigsaw's Crime Spree or Punishment of Frank Castle. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I would say your first one is a better name, although your second one is more accurate. So, what I suggest is a combination of the two in the best way I can imagine and suggest that we call it Jigsaw's Revenge. This covers who is leading the event, as well as the fact that he is getting back at Punisher for what was done to him, and it is an accurate wording, while also being able to cover other things that transpire (the crimes).-Bozz77 (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

We already have Johann Fennhoff's Revenge Plot. It should be something different when possible. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I feel like we shouldn't limit ourselves if a name is fitting just because one other page also uses the same word. There are a lot of different "wars" that occur in the mcu, and at some point, some will be fairly similar to others in which they could be described the same way. I get that it caused an issue where everything was just someone's "campaign," but "revenge" is still fresh enough that we should be open to using it. Especially as it is a good name.-Bozz77 (talk) 4:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but when there are still options, I think it's better to be different. There are options for this and they work in my opinion. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 13:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Probably best to hear a few more opinions on the matter. Wouldn't want to overlook a choice due to something so meticulous.-Bozz77 (talk) 24:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

While I don't believe we should be so quick to dismiss Jigsaw's Revenge, how about Jigsaw's Gang War or Jigsaw's Rampage? I know Jigsaw denounced his group as a gang, but referring to them as an "army" might be an exaggeration. Jigsaw was directly involved in raids against rival criminal organizations, and these conflicts were portrayed in-universe by the media as a gang war. On the rampage front, it's a name that hasn't been used before, and captures the same essence as what would be covered under "crime spree" and parts of what was suggested for the "revenge" rename. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 14:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Those aren't bad. I personally think other suggestions here are better, but if people like it then that's okay. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 18:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Jigsaw's Rampage is definitely a good name. I still feel as though if we are going down that route that Jigsaw's Revenge just works better, but I would be happy with your suggestion being picked if I had to go with a second choice.Bozz77 (talk) 05:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Jigsaw's Crime Spree is cool. •

MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 02:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

So then seems the three options right now are Jigsaw's Crime Spree, Jigsaw's Rampage and Jigsaw's Revenge. We should center around those. I am in favor of "Crime Spree" do to reasons stated in my first comment. "Revenge" works well and is accurate. Not sure about Rampage really. I think the other two are better. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to put it to a vote. Revenge is where I'm leading. - Bozz77 (talk) 06:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I like all three, but my number one vote would be Rampage. My second pick would be Crime Spree, which I am just as fine with. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 22:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Vote

The voting has been narrowed down to the last three. Please choose which one you want! Voting will end August 21st or at 12 votes majority as per policy. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 00:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Jigsaw's Crime Spree

This one sounds better and seems more fitting - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 00:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
We are one-two-three, voting for Crime Spree. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Crime Spree is the most descriptive -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Jigsaw's Revenge

Aye - Bozz77 (talk) 00:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Jigsaw's Rampage

My #1 vote is Rampage. But I do prefer Crime Spree over Revenge. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 03:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

It is August 21st, meaning the vote concludes. Final standings are 4-1-1, meaning the name gets changed to Jigsaw's Crime Spree. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 17:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

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