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There is no official source equating this character with Janice Lincoln from the comics. This is fanon that seems to have originated here, as every online source using that name for FFH character can be traced back to this. HBK123 (talk) 12:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- As you've been told in the past, this article's name complies with this wiki's Naming and Conjecture Policies.--Shabook (talk) 21:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- The policy states that "Conjecture is permitted in... ...the full names of characters derived from Marvel Comics." However, to presume that she is derived from the comics is a conjecture in itself. Janice is a common name and she has absolutely nothing in common with Janice Lincoln (Earth-616) other than vaguely opposing Spider-Man. To declare her the MCU version of the Beetle is pure unsupported speculation. HBK123 (talk) 21:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Articles like these are specifically the point of the Conjecture policy. Wikilawyering said policy, especially under the "Abiding by the letter of a policy or guideline while violating its spirit or underlying principles" meaning of the term. This article's name fully works with the purpose and scope of this wiki. What other wikis like the Marvel Database or any other site chooses to do with their articles in no way influences us.--Shabook (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- The policy states that "Conjecture is permitted in... ...the full names of characters derived from Marvel Comics." However, to presume that she is derived from the comics is a conjecture in itself. Janice is a common name and she has absolutely nothing in common with Janice Lincoln (Earth-616) other than vaguely opposing Spider-Man. To declare her the MCU version of the Beetle is pure unsupported speculation. HBK123 (talk) 21:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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Janice Yanizeski?[]
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During the above argument I also came across Janice Yanizeski / Joystick. Much like Janice Lincoln / Bettle, she is named Janice, is female, generally considered a villain and has opposed Spider-Man in the past. Is there anything that would point towards FFH Janice being one instead of the other? HBK123 (talk) 14:44, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think there is any evidence other than the first name to imply that this is Yanizeski. Criszz (talk) 09:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, I don't think there is any evidence to imply that this is Lincoln either. I don't know where that reasoning comes from. Criszz (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Assuming that she is Janice Lincoln makes no sense. While race-swapping exists in the MCU, switching someone *to* white is incredibly unlikely, especially given the significance of Beetle's father, Lonnie Lincoln (an albino African-American). Also, I read through the Conjecture policy and I don't know how this guideline supports the naming of this article. Leaving it under this name only perpetuates the fallacy that this woman is or was ever intended to be the MCU equivalent of Beetle, something that has no supporting evidence in any way. If we are to assume that she's supposed to be an Easter Egg character from the comics, Joystick, as HBK123 proposes, seems more likely based on the actress's race. Bastique * talk 06:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support: I do not think there is any reason to conclude that this is Janice Lincoln. If we are to "Conjecture" any character, Joystick does make more sense, technically. She has had interactions with Spider-Man, she's teamed up with other villains in teams such as the Masters of Evil and Thunderbolts, her race fits, and seemingly most importantly for the Lincoln-argument, her first name is Janice. Really this character should simply just be "Janice" until he get harder evidence for any other surname or alias.--Uncleben (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Assuming that she is Janice Lincoln makes no sense. While race-swapping exists in the MCU, switching someone *to* white is incredibly unlikely, especially given the significance of Beetle's father, Lonnie Lincoln (an albino African-American). Also, I read through the Conjecture policy and I don't know how this guideline supports the naming of this article. Leaving it under this name only perpetuates the fallacy that this woman is or was ever intended to be the MCU equivalent of Beetle, something that has no supporting evidence in any way. If we are to assume that she's supposed to be an Easter Egg character from the comics, Joystick, as HBK123 proposes, seems more likely based on the actress's race. Bastique * talk 06:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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