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@Nerdtastic1221 @David Kaique @Criszz @User:Raff2159 @User:DrewVeenstra @Jessica3801
So I want to preface this by saying that I was unsure whether recreating the page in this way was the correct action, however, I consulted @Marvelus about it, and he said it would be fine, so I've gone ahead with it. I have temporarily hid the categories for the page to ensure that all information on it is not widely viewable, that all of the information I have transferred is accurate, and that everybody is on the same page about why this page should exist again.
The previous deletion of this article was done so with the reasoning that Trump's election in the MCU is entirely speculative and is only indirectly mentioned (David's words). While that is completely true within the official media, a quote was actually discovered from around the airing of Luke Cage season two that confirms that DW Griffith's concern displayed in the series was of the election of Donald Trump. (https://www.inverse.com/article/46304-luke-cage-season-2-showrunner-explains-trump-in-finale-episode/) That necessitates then that he was elected, and Luke Cage is of course not the only media to hint at that. Obviously, him simply being elected is only enough to confirm that he was the President, not necessarily that he has a divergent history as would be necessary for this article to be created.
However, in knowing that he was elected President on the same date and year as the real world, it was actually discovered that much of what is currently attributed to Matthew Ellis in Agents of SHIELD necessarily is actually referring to Donald Trump, and it was concluded that, void of any speculation, that does confirm that he has a divergent history. That was the original reason this page was recreated, despite not all of that information being added at the time.
This should be resolved as quickly as possible, and the page should not be deleted before it is. 
- Blogs • Message Wall • Guestbook 01:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- This article's creation is completely warranted and 100% valid. At this point, there are numerous examples of Trump's history divergening from his real-world counterpart, so there's really no reason for this article not to exist. DrewVeenstra (talk) 01:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rman is absolutely correct in this. To briefly explain the article he quoted, Luke Cage showrunner and executive producer Cheo Hodari Coker was talking about D.W. Griffith's line about getting nervous on November 9, and he said: "I know how the headlines all of sudden become, ‘Luke Cage is About Trump.’ That’s not what it is. Honestly, the show will always reflect the politics of what is going on. What he’s saying is the way we were all stunned. ‘How did this Nazi get elected to be the President of the United States? How do you explain to your kids what happened?’ That weirdness was a direct influence.” This quote directly shows that DW is wondering how Trump got elected into office, and that it is intended to reflect the real world. That's confirmation that Trump was elected, so it's not speculative. And he has a fictional history, as demonstrated in what is currently listed in the article, most notably his phone call with Glenn Talbot. John F. Kennedy met Peggy and was killed by Bucky, but he gets a page despite never appearing. Trump has full conversations with Glenn Talbot, Phil Coulson, and Jeffrey Mace, and ordered Project Patriot, he should have a page by now. -Jessica3801 (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I questioned the point of this article's existence when the only content added was the indirect references to Trump in two TV shows. With the more specific comments from Luke Cage showrunner, and having nothing in other MCU movies/shows that contradicts that Trump was president during that time, I think this article's creation seems appropriate.David Kaique (talk) 11:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- This article definitely should be made. I don't think there is more that I need to say that hasn't already been said above. We just have to make sure editors don't add speculative details or real life facts that aren't specified in the MCU. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 12:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Nerdtastic1221 hey, we have talked in the MCU wiki Discord. And the vast majority agree it is undeniable. Trump is indeed a part of the MCU story, and we have an article from someone involved in the MCU saying he was also elected as president and the show tried to portray the real life politics, this show being Luke Cage. You also have Runaways references. It is undeniable. And we have a source for this. Plus, Trump's life has indeed been affected by MCU events. It is all in this article. @Rman41 has already explained it above. Marvelus (talk) Marvelus (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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