Hello, Shabook. I am the user who created/named the War Against PRIDE and War Against Jonah pages. It was early into the use of the Wiki, and the Naming Policy doesn't mention wars/campaigns, so I thought that what I was doing was right, but I see now that it's not. I wanted to suggest new names so that they can receive a proper one. "War Against Jonah" I feel can be properly renamed as "Jonah's Campaign." I had a harder time with the "War Against PRIDE," but the only things I can think of are "Investigation into PRIDE" or "Escape from PRIDE," but I know "Escape" isn't usually used for larger events, and that there are currently no "Investigations." I hope this helped, and I truly am sorry for what I named it.
Yeah, you're right that there is not a system, basically because I've been unable to sit down and devise one like I did with the Events. There is no particular problem with these articles, but a general one, as all wars have now become either "War against Something" or "Somebody's Campaign".
And this kind of formula is not what should we aim for. I just add these ones to check if people could start thinking about a more unique name, especially because I consider that it was all part of Jonah's master plan, and not two different things.
I understand thinking that, but I separated them because I considered it from the Runaways' perspective. If you look at it that way (which the show clearly wants us to), there was a shift in focus after the Infiltration into the Church of Gibborim Executive Office. Until then, the fight was against PRIDE. But then Geoffrey tells them about the Magistrate, and they shift their attention to him, forgetting about PRIDE's evils for at least a little bit. The Jonah's Campaign/War Against Jonah/whatever we decide to call it then ends with the Battle at the Marine Vivarium Desalination Plant, and Morgan le Fay's Campaign begins (one which, even with creative renaming, I don't think should change).
If you're looking for uniqueness, the "Investigation into PRIDE"/"Escape from PRIDE" might be more fitting for what I called the War Against PRIDE. And I know you're not looking for this, but Jonah's Campaign definitely works for the War Against Jonah. The only problem I see with that name is that one could argue Jonah's campaign dates all the way back to his ship landing, so it doesn't really reflect the Battle at the PRIDE Construction Site-Battle at the Marine Vivarium Desalination Plant time period well. But it's still the most fitting I could come up with for now from the Runaways' perspective.
Also, if you do want to sit down and make something like that, I'm happy to help.
Everything in the first seasons of Runaways was part of Jonah's plan, and it was a three-sided-conflict where PRIDE started being allied to Jonah, albeit reluctantly, to openly confront him, and therefore allying themselves with the Runaways. So, one big conflict, instead of two.
From Jonah's perspective, yes. But from the Runaways' perspective they were two different events.
But if you feel they should be one event, then maybe combine them into Magistrate's Family's Campaign, because you could really consider it all of their plans, if the goal was to get home (especially after the Battle at the PRIDE Construction Site) and into Season 3. This would span from right after their ship crashed (the background would just be the Magistrate's Son getting them all exiled, Xavin sneaking onto the ship, and the crash) through the Battle at the Marine Vivarium Desalination.
If you're separating them by considering it from the Runaways' perspective (the direction I feel we should go, but you're the boss), the Investigation into PRIDE would be from Destiny's sacrifice to the Infiltration into the Church of Gibborim Executive Office, where they then shifted their focus to Jonah. The Magistrate's Family's Campaign/Jonah's Campaign/whatever we decide to call it would be from the Attack on Jonah to the Battle at the Marine Vivarium Desalination Plant.
In that case, then I'd suggest combining the pages into "Magistrate's Family's Campaign," as it most accurately reflects the goal, type of event, and perpetrators (bad word probably, but you get the idea, it was all of their goal, not just the Magistrate's)
Hi, if I can weigh in, I agree with Shabook, we have too many "Campaign" names in the war articles. Too many.
Magistrate's Schemes (he manipulated PRIDE member, thus leading the Ritual of Blood sacrifices, the formation of the Runaways, and the conflict with them including the entire PRIDE and Runaways battle with the Gibborims) I think that name sums up everything.
Raid of Morgan le Fay's Coven. As for Morgan le Fay, "campaign" doesn't really fit.
Those names are my proposals, but I am not 100% sure about the latter.
I like Schemes, that really fits, but I'm not sure how much "Raid" fits the Morgan stuff. Maybe "Containment of the Dark Dimension"? The goal was to bring Morgan's realm of the Dark Dimension to Earth, and what the Runaways did was contain that and stop her, so that might work.
Yeah, I am not too sure about "Raid" either. "Merging of the Dark Dimension". The War with Morgan le Fay has to include and involve the events we saw in the dark dimension like the incursion of the Runaways to rescue Alex. It has to involve them all. "War on Morgan le Fay's Coven", "Morgan le Fay's Offensive" or "Coven's Uprising".
I guess Coven's Uprising would make the most sense. I'm not particularly in love with it, but I get why Merging of the Dark Dimension/Containment of the Dark Dimension doesn't fit with all of it (also might not be considered different enough from Dormammu's war in Doctor Strange).
So I guess the conclusion we've come to is to combine the Magistrate's crash-Battle at the Marine Vivarium Desalination Plant into "Jonah's Schemes," and everything after that as "Coven's Uprising." The one question left is should it be called "Jonah's Schemes" or "Magistrate's Schemes"? He wasn't called Jonah throughout the entire time, at one point he was the Preacher, and I'm sure he had other names. I think Magistrate makes more sense, since Jonah isn't his actual name.
Hey Shabook, I've seen you going through all of the characters and marking the citations needed. I commend you for doing this, but I do have a question.
On pages like Big Gipp, he's never actually called that on the show. Cockroach Hamilton refers to Joi's "ex-man, Gipp" and it was assumed that this was referring to Big Gipp like in the real world, so Big Gipp was listed as an alias. How would cases like these be handled in the new format as far as citations for the aliases go? Thanks in advance!
Hello Shabook. I’m been making some contributions to the wiki. I’ve edited the Golden Tribe parts in the Relationships category of the characters Black Panther, Shuri, & Erik Killmonger. Here’s what they are:
For all 3 characters:
Azzuri - Paternal Grandfather
For Black Panther & Shuri:
N’Jobu - Paternal Uncle
For Erik Killmonger:
T’Chaka - Paternal Uncle
I added these details because I possess Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), which means that I like things a certain way, & I also wanted to provide the other users of this wiki with more accurate information. The user known as Christhewalrus keeps undoing my edits because he claims them to be unnecessary. A few months ago, he & me got into an edit war & I angrily told him to stop undoing my edits. He rudely & sarcastically told me that he understood, so I stopped. Recently I tried to make these changes again, but he keeps undoing them. I tried to message him again in a calm & peaceful manner, but he hasn’t responded. Is there any way that you can have this user Christhewalrus to stop what he’s doing please?
Spenpiano has created tons of blogpost for characters. He used a lot of images from minor characters for those blogpost. They have all been renamed, but since they could not be changed on his blogpoints they are listed as "wanted". Could you help me with this when you got the time? If not, no worry.