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Locations

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Only locations that are specifically mentioned will be listed as "(mentioned)". Locations that are "levels up" will not be listed as "(indirectly mentioned)". {{{sig}}}

Something that this wiki has done is treat every mentioned location as a mention of where that place also is. For instance, when a character says "Oh, I went to Buenos Aires last year", we don't just add (mentioned) on the Buenos Aires page, we also add (mentioned) to the Argentina page, the South America page, Earth's page and the Solar System page. To give a U.S. centric example, when a character says "I was born in Albany" we add "(mentioned)" to the New York page, the United States page, the North America page, the Earth page and the Solar System page. There are four Wiki Staff members right now (two admins, two content moderators, not including thread moderators) and this decision has been split among us. Two of us believe that if a character mentions Albany, then the page for the state of New York should not get the "(mentioned)" and neither should the United States page, the North America page, or any other page above it; the "New York" page for instance would only get "(mentioned)" if the person said "I was born in Albany, New York." One half of the Staff team is of the mind only places that are specifically mentioned should be listed as such, while the other half of the Staff team disagrees.

A proposed idea, intended to serve as a compromise, was that we limit the "mentioning" to just one level up. So if someone mentions "Albany" then "(mentioned)" gets added to the New York state page, but it is not added to the page for "United States"; if someone mentions "New York", "(mentioned)" is added to the page for "United States" but not the page for "North America"; if someone mentions "North America" then "(mentioned)" is added to the page for "Earth" but not the page for "Solar System". A proposal was also offered where we would switch the "(mentioned)" to "(indirectly mentioned)". These proposals also ended in a tie decision, with half of the Staff team disagreeing with this idea as well. With the Staff team decision stuck in a deadlock, the deciding party shall be you, the community. Feel free to reply directly below this if you wish to engage in a discussion. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

EDIT: This applies to Landmarks as well. If a character says "I went to the Empire State Building" then currently "(mentioned)" get added to New York City, New York, United States, North America, Earth and Solar System. The proposed suggestions would have either limiting it to just "New York City", having "New York City" be listed as an indirect mention, or just not adding "(mentioned)" to any other page's Infobox/Appearances section aside from the landmark's page. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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If you vote Support, then you are in support of the proposed idea to allow for "(mentioned)" to be in effect for "one level up". So with this in effect, since New York (state) is one level up from Albany, with "second level" being "United States", any mention of Albany in the MCU allows for "(mentioned)" to be added to the New York state page.

If you vote Oppose, then you believe that the wiki should only add "(mentioned)" to whatever is specifically mentioned. So if Albany is mentioned, only the Albany page gets "(mentioned)" added to its Infobox/Appearances; the pages for "New York", "United States" and "North America" do not receive "(mentioned)" unless someone specifically mentions those places.

If you vote Neutral, it will be treated as being in support of the compromise where locations that are not specifically mentioned receive "(indirectly mentioned)". So if someone mentions Albany, the page for New York state would have (indirectly mentioned)" added to it. The "one level up only" restriction of the compromise still applies here.

Support

• I am in support of the proposal of one level up being mentioned. Although I am hesitant to list it as indirectly mentioned, I am not against it. I am against not listing it as mentioned in any capacity, due to the fact that if someone were to mention the city of Miami, most people would take that as a mention of the state of Florida in casual conversation. If you are born in Miami you are born in Florida. We would also be listing it as *[[Miami]], [[Florida]] <small>(mentioned)</small> on media pages without having Florida as mentioned on Florida's page which should not be the case. As such, I am in support of this proposal. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 23:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

• Only locations that are specifically mentioned should be listed as such. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• I was the one that brought this to staff so I oppose the current practice. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 20:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Why would we list mentioned on New York if only a city was mentioned? Only the location/landmark itself should receive (mentioned) on its page. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 16:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• I concur - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• What others have said. SeichanGrey (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

• I'm in support of the compromise (though maybe two levels up, stopping at the country if necessary so continents only get it if the country is mentioned) -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Result

Voting period ends with five (5) votes in favor of only listing things that are actually mentioned as "(mentioned)" on the wiki, with one (1) vote for one level up while retaining "(mentioned)" (Support tier), and one (1) vote for the compromised offer of having it listed as "(indirectly mentioned)", with the stipulation of two levels up. With majority in favor of the "Oppose" tier, the wiki shall henceforth only list locations that are actually mentioned as "(mentioned)", and shall edit pre-existing pages to match this new standard. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   09:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Race/Species

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Race/Species are to be listed as "(mentioned)" only if they are specifically mentioned, and is not to be listed, not even as "(indirectly mentioned)", when someone who is part of that species is mentioned by their own name. {{{sig}}}

In a similar vein to the above, Staff find themselves in a deadlock when it comes to Races/Species on the Wiki. If "Thanos" is mentioned, do we add "(mentioned)" to the Titans page? Or should only the "Thanos" page list it, because only Thanos was mentioned in dialogue and not "Titans", or should "Titans" also get "(mentioned)" because Thanos himself is a Titan? Whenever Star-Lord mentions Yondu, should "(mentioned)" only be added to Yondu's page, or should it also be added to the page of his species, which is "Centaurians"? Once again, the deciding party shall be you, the community. Like before, feel free to reply directly below this if you wish to engage in a discussion about this topic. Otherwise, proceed to vote. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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If you vote Support, then you are in support of retaining the status quo where "(mentioned)" is applied to the pages of the species of the characters who are mentioned. If someone mentions Yondu, "(mentioned)" is added to the Centaurians page. If someone mentions Ronan the Accuser, "(mentioned)" is added to the Kree page.

If you vote Oppose, then you believe that the wiki should only add "(mentioned)" to whatever is specifically mentioned. So if Yondu is mentioned, only his page gets "(mentioned)" and his page alone.

If you vote Neutral, it will be treated as being in support of the compromise where races/species that are not specifically mentioned receive "(indirectly mentioned)". So if someone mentions Yondu , the page for Centaurians will state "(indirectly mentioned)".

Support

• I am in support of the race being mentioned as well. Thanos is a Titan, Thor is an Asgardian. In a world where being a member of a certain species is a very important fact, I think it should be a mention. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 22:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

• Only that which is mentioned should receive the "(mentioned)". Only when people mention the Kree specifically should that be added to their page, not whenever some mentions Ronan or Starforce or Supreme Intelligence. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• I agree as well as I brought this up. A mention of Ronan is a mention of A Kree. Not The Kree. It is a different. In other words, it is a person that is a Kree, not the Kree themselves. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• If the race itself is not mentioned, I don't see why we'd put any level of (mentioned). - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• I agree that only that what has been mentioned directly should have the mentioned tag. I do not know why this was never discussed back when I was an admin on this wikia. -TomasDerksen (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• What others have said. SeichanGrey (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

• Mentioning Thanos is mentioning Titans, albeit indirectly -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Result

Voting period ends with five (5) votes in favor of only listing races/species when they are specifically mentioned as "(mentioned)" on the wiki, with one (1) vote for retaining "(mentioned)" for when a member of that species is mentioned by their own given name, and one (1) vote for retaining "(indirectly mentioned)" for when a member of that species is mentioned by their own given name. With majority in favor of the "Oppose" tier, the wiki shall henceforth only list races/species that are specifically mentioned as "(mentioned)"; pre-existing pages are to be edited in order to remove any "(mentioned)" or "(indirectly mentioned)" that do not qualify under this new standard. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   09:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Infobox Image Change

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Implemented {{{sig}}}

A few weeks ago, while discussing infobox images, User:E-Scope04 brought up how many sites such as wikipedia change the infobox image from latest appearance to a more general image of the characters once they die. I think that could be a cool idea for the wiki to adapt and to put some personality into some of these infobox images that are bound by bad images of their latest appearance. To maintain fair decisions, the way I propose it would work, is that when a character dies, staff chooses a set of images and the wiki has a vote on which image out of that set should be the infobox image. With this change, we could have infoboxes that encaptulate the characters like for example, a crop of the Iron Man 3 Poster that shows the Iron Legion in the background for Iron Man. Or we could decide to have a crop of the Black Widow character poster that has the black widow symbol in the background. I just think this could be a cool idea to implement.

To decide if this idea will be implemented, there will be a vote below that follows Tier 1 rules from the Consensus and Voting Policy. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:36, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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If you vote Support then you agree to implement the proposed change to infobox images.

If you vote Oppose then you vote to maintain our current system of using infobox images showing the character's latest appearance prior to their death.

Support

• I proposed and I support. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:36, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• I also like this idea. - DemKnux (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• I agree for ones like Maria Hill with her Secret Invasion image but I'd say the two examples given are fine as is. - Cadennnnn (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• This is a really good idea! - Bryschec (talk) 23:06, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• I support - The One Who Theorizes (talk) 01:51, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• I support this proposal. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

• Not that it particularly matters this late, but I am against this proposal. I’m not a fan of having too many exceptions to rules like this. - Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️‍⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 02:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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MCU trivia page

I think something like this would be cool to have here. https://dcextendeduniverse.fandom.com/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe/Trivia Jstewart2007 (talk) 15:50, March 11, 2025 (MDT)

I wouldn't be against its existence if that's what others want as well, but this is the sort of stuff people put on User pages or User blogs around here. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   22:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

I feel the same: not against if others support. - Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️‍⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 22:37, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

I personally don't think the suggested format from that page is necessary because there is already a dedicated section on the main page that talks about a whole lot more than just box office numbers, ratings, total runtime, etc. From what I've seen, there are pages that already exists on this wiki that mentions some of these statistics, and the current Trivia section talks about stuff that happened behind the scenes, which seems more important to mention than just numbers; the Infinity Saga and Multiverse Saga pages have both total runtime and total box office numbers and are easily searchable. -Andy36314 (talk) 16:00, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

I really like this idea and I think it's a cool thing to have I would even be willing to put the page together. -    Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

HYDRA -> Hydra Rename

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"HYDRA" changed to "Hydra" •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   00:51, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{{sig}}}

The naming of HYDRA on the wiki is something that has been in debate for a very long time and I just happened to stumble upon many instances pointing to "Hydra" while I have been doing other things on the wiki. For context, the wiki uses "HYDRA" because of it's use in its first appearance, Captain America: The First Avenger. This is a good reason that I do not dispute. However, it seems as though there are actually more uses of "Hydra" from the movie anyway. For example, the Disney+ subtitles now say Hydra (despite the synopsis using "HYDRA") and even props use "Hydra" as seen in props like this and this. Additionally, the appearances from Hydra from then on almost exclusively use the "Hydra" spelling, including Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., who credit characters as "Hydra". I have been told that the Season One closed captions use "HYDRA" but that has since been changed to "Hydra".

This has caused many issues on the wiki including the misnaming of episodes such as Love in the Time of Hydra and What If... Captain Carter Fought the Hydra Stomper?, which use the "Hydra" spelling but due to consistency, the wiki uses "HYDRA". Related to the consistency aspect, we use the spelling of Hydra Stomper despite him being noted as "Hydra". Even with that chosen naming convention, we use Madame Hydra anyways.

One last thing I would have to say is that although it seems the comics used both spellings, it primarily used "Hydra" and we should too based off of the fact that "Hydra" is used throughout all of the MCU and more than "HYDRA". - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I think my preference is, rather than a rename, we allow both so that titles can be accurate and we're not consistently undoing it. The books that I have read (which isn't all of them yet) also use "Hydra" for what it's worth. - Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️‍⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 01:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Jessica's preference personally.    Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions   12:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how optimal this is. How do we use both? If a facility and its members are "HYDRA" in one thing and "Hydra" in another, which spelling do we use for the location and character pages? We can't keep oscillating between the two spellings on the Wiki. We'd have to standardize one. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   13:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Yeah. I do not know either. I understanding wanting to use both, but it is not really optimal and Hydra would be the more primarily used one anyways. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

If Hydra is used more commonly than HYDRA throughout much of the franchise, it would seem like this has become the intended spelling of the name in the franchise, even if it might be a retcon from TFA. I'd be willing to accept Jessica's proposal as well, but I'd need more clarification on how we could actually use both spellings, particularly given that different spellings could be used to refer to the organization in the same piece of media. Logo8th (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Well, if Hydra is used more, then reluctantly, I'd have to go with that. - GarrettSMW | Message Wall • Contributions 16:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

While I do think both can be used in universe, I am strongly in favor of keeping the standard of HYDRA on the wiki, we've seen this spelling used before in Captain America: The First Avenger, the first introduction of HYDRA to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as Raff pointed out. However, it has also been used in other places, such as this S.H.I.E.L.D. Personnel File on Steve Rogers which clearly uses the HYDRA capitalization in promotional material for The Avengers. -    Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:15, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I think any episode title or character pages can be renamed (Hydra Stomper → Hydra Stomper, "Love in the Time of Hydra" → "Love in the Time of Hydra") but I think the name of the organization on our Wiki should remain as HYDRA. While "Hydra" is used more often I am also strongly in favor of retaining HYDRA on the wiki as that's how it was introduced to us as and the MCU hasn't entirely dropped that spelling. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:21, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

For the record, What If...? uses "HYDRA" in its subtitles/closed captioning. Which means the latest MCU reference to the organization uses the all-caps version. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   13:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

However, credits and episode titles use Hydra. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

This evidence table, showcasing the times "HYDRA" was used vs. "Hydra" was compiled by Raff2159. Treating all usages in one season or movie as a single entry, we have eleven (11) usages of HYDRA and sixteen (16) usages of Hydra. However, some might complain that a show having several seasons counted separately skews the data and that a project should only count as one entry. Therefore, if we treat Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as one entry instead of seven for its seven seasons and What If...? as one entry instead of three for its three seasons, there are nine (9) usages of HYDRA and ten (10) usages of Hydra. When we add in books like tie-in junior novelizations, as well as the promotional file and trading cards from Thunderbolts*, all of which use "Hydra", then we are at nine (9) usages of HYDRA and eighteen (18) usages of Hydra.

With this data in mind, we are holding a vote for this rename proposal. There will be four options you can vote for:

Option #1: HYDRA: This option retains our status quo of using the "HYDRA" spelling on the Wiki.

Option #2: Hydra: This option changes the spelling of "HYDRA" to "Hydra" everywhere on the Wiki.

Option #3: Mixed Usage favoring HYDRA: In this option, we continue using "HYDRA" as the primary spelling on the Wiki for the organization, items, events, locations, etc. However, usages of "Hydra" would be used when deemed appropriate, such as the spelling of Madame Hydra (who for the record currently has it spelled as "Hydra") as well as potentially changing the name of "Hydra Stomper" to "Hydra Stomper," as well as for any items or events that have been officially spelled as "Hydra". (ex. if a location appeared with a title card saying "Hydra Research Base" then that location and its event page(s) would be have the "Hydra" spelling while "HYDRA" continues to be used as the norm for other pages.)

Option #4: Mixed Usage favoring Hydra: This option is the inverse of Option #3. We rename the pages, including organization, items, events, locations, etc. to the "Hydra" spelling, although we would use "HYDRA" if an event or a location was officially listed with the all-caps spelling (ex. if a location in an upcoming project has a title card saying "HYDRA Research Base" means that location and its event page(s) would have the "HYDRA" spelling while "Hydra" would be used as the norm on other pages.)

As we move onto the voting phase, please read the section below to ensure that you are eligible to vote. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

EDIT: A poster from the fifth season of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has the "HYDRA" spelling while the subtitles in Thunderbolts* features the "Hydra" spelling. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   09:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

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Option 1

• I think on-screen usage is important. If we eliminate the trading cards/TB* file promo and the books, HYDRA is used 9 times while Hydra is used 10 times; it's practically tied. However, I am choosing to go with HYDRA because that is a spelling that was featured in HYDRA's first appearance (in Captain America: The First Avenger), it's a spelling they've continued to use over the years, and the very last project to feature the group (What If S3) also features the HYDRA spelling. I however acknowledge that the evidence for "Hydra" is also sound as that spelling was also used in The First Avenger and across multiple other instances, so if that option won, it wouldn't be unwarranted. However, I prefer the HYDRA spelling. I also think that Options 3 and 4 aren't really feasible or optimal as alternating between two spellings would be a headache. In my opinion, the best bet is to just standardize one spelling and stick with it. For this reason, I vote for retaining "HYDRA" as the standard Wiki spelling. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   03:11 original comment was posted 02:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• I agree with everything MJLogan95 has laid out. The fact that it's so close would have me keep this option. Starting with Captain America: The First Avenger and being seen on-screen as HYDRA in projects like The Avengers and in the closed captioning of projects as recent as What If...? put HYDRA well within it's rights to stay capitalized. The notion that the capitalization is outdated is simply not true, appearing as recently as December 2024. This is the way the page should stay. -    Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions   19:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Edit: New evidence has been discovered that shows HYDRA is used exclusively on-screen during Season Five of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. which was not included in the table above, further cementing my vote for option one. -    Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    • To be very specific, “HYDRA” is used for the logo for the preporatory academy. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 20:21, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Option 2

• I don't really see how HYDRA could be an valid option given the evidence. Subtitles have been shown to be "iffy" at times. Not that it cannot be used as a source, but compared to the other evidence, Hydra is the clear option here even with the fact that it will be a hassle to change. Also to note, Captain America: The First Avenger used "Hydra" as well. I don't understand the argument about it being the first used. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:00, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• I'm favoring Option 2 overall, although I am also completely okay with a compromise like Option 4. It's obvious that after a point, the capitalization just got outdated. Hydra. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 03:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• One problem I have with using HYDRA is that it doesn't combine with the rest of the organizations called by its acronyms (especially those that are from the real world). Like for example: NASA is National Aeronautics and Space Administration, FBI is Federal Bureau of Investigation, CIA is Central Intelligence Agency and TVA is Time Variance Authority. What is HYDRA? Nothing, it means nothing. Hydra gets its name from Lernaean Hydra and it is written like that. - asner •д• | llɐʍ ǝƃɐssǝɯ - suoᴉʇnqᴉɹʇuoɔ 03:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Just adding a note here, but just because something is written in all caps doesn’t necessarily mean it must be an acronym. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 14:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• Option 2. Incursion Lee (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• The amount of in-universe sources that use "Hydra" far surpasses those that use "HYDRA", and this is very clear just from the evidence table. While it would be easy to default to the comics which also prefer "Hydra", the clear truth here is that the MCU prefers that as well in nearly all media following The First Avenger. As such, the usage of "HYDRA" in that movie is not much more than a situational stylization that doesn't reflect the rest of the media. While I do think the capitalized spelling should be noted on the page somewhere, the wiki should not default to using it in most contexts in my opinion. It's not a matter of HYDRA being "outdated," it's a matter of it not being the preference of the vast majority of the franchise's media. Rman41 | Blogs - Message Wall - Guestbook 03:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• This one. Criszz (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Option 3

No votes placed

Option 4

• Favoring Option 4 overall. It's obvious that after a point, the capitalization HYDRA just got outdated, so in that sense I'm pro-lowercase Hydra as the wiki-wide norm (aligning with the Option 2 way of thinking). But I agree we should still acknowledge HYDRA in uses when it was capitalized (i.e. at appropriate times). I think this is the best choice. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 03:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• Mister Explicit above put it best imo. I agree that this option would be the best option going forwards.    Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions   11:56, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• I agree with both of the above points under this option. It definitely seems like the non-capitalized version is becoming more and more common across a wide range of media within the MCU, so I definitely think it should be the main spelling (i.e. I would be fine with Option 2 as well if that ends up receiving more support), but I do think we should at least acknowledge where the fully capitalized version is directly used where possible. Logo8th (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Result

As a Tier 2 vote, the decision is formed by the Staff team using the votes placed above to guide their decision. The Staff team has elected to go with Option 4, although in practice, it will currently be the same as Option 2. This is because, at the current moment, there does not seem to be any pages that would warrant the "HYDRA" spelling, which means the result of this Vote is essentially in practice Option 2; all instances of "HYDRA" will therefore be changed to "Hydra." However, should the spelling of "HYDRA" (with all caps) be used for a specific item or location in the future, the all-caps spelling is to be used for that specific page and that page alone as per Option 4. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   00:51, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

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New Proposals

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Hello all. There are some changes I have been considering that I am proposing below. Usually we do the seven day discussion period, and then a seven day voting period, and the topic remains open for fourteen days. However, for these proposals, I am electing to just go straight to the voting section as these are pretty clear-cut proposals that do not require a full week to deliberate on whether this is needed or not; the vote suffices. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   01:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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Collapsible Appearances List

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Proposal has passed. Collapsible Appearances will be implemented. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC) {{{sig}}}

Iron Man
Appearances
Movies	Iron Man The Incredible Hulk (pre-credits scene) Iron Man 2 Thor (mentioned) The Avengers Iron Man 3 Captain America: The Winter Soldier (picture & mentioned) Avengers: Age of Ultron Ant-Man (mentioned) Captain America: Civil War Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (mentioned; deleted scene) Spider-Man: Homecoming Thor: Ragnarok (mentioned) Avengers: Infinity War Avengers: Endgame Spider-Man: Far From Home (flashback, murals & mentioned) Black Widow (mentioned) Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (mentioned) Eternals (mentioned) Spider-Man: No Way Home (picture & mentioned) Thor: Love and Thunder (mentioned) Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (mentioned) Deadpool & Wolverine (footage & mentioned) Thunderbolts* (photo) Armor Wars (mentioned; unreleased)

I am reproposing the following:

For certain character articles, from the perspective of a reader, it is a detriment to see that a lot of the appearances are fluffed with every possible mention, poster, and photo, many of which are only a brief throwaway line or prop. My suggestion is not to remove them, but implement a collapsible table within the character infobox for the appearances section that prioritizes actual, in-person appearances of the character in a project.

This would especially be helpful as an increasing amount of characters have (or will have) over 10-15 movie appearances, and many older characters such as Iron Man will have lists that will only grow more and more as time goes on. By having the option to condense the more lengthier lists into a series of in-person appearances, I believe this will make the article look cleaner and the list appear more organized. This would also save time for readers on mobile from scrolling down (in the case of many appearances) to make reaching other parts of the infobox and the rest of the article faster and less time-consuming.

I believe this idea can be used for any article over a certain appearance number cap, and it is also possible that this collapsible list can be extended to other types of articles in similar situations, such as some organizations or items. However, I also acknowledge that this function likely cannot extend to characters with lists of TV series appearances, as there are very few characters who make multiple in-person appearances. I want to show that this function is an option that can be considered in whatever context the staff decide is appropriate. The main purpose of this proposal is to integrate a collapsible table for long lists of appearances in the infobox, as I think it is beneficial to both editors and readers.

Examples of these collapsible lists with popular characters can be seen here. Criszz (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I am very much in support. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   18:52, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit: I have added the Iron Man example onto Criszz's post so that people can see what it would look like without having to go to his page. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   00:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Support - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 18:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Something I forgot to clarify, mentioned only characters should be exempt. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Naturally. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

I support this proposal.    Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions   19:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Likewise. DrewVeenstra (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I want to opposed. Farizhf27 (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Why? - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 00:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I've always been in support of this initative. We had something similar before with aliases prior to the alias overhaul, and it makes sense to extend that approach to other infobox attributes such as appearances for readability. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 00:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I support. - GarrettSMW | Message Wall • Contributions 15:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

I support this. Also for TV Series I made this. I think it can work. - asner •д• | llɐʍ ǝƃɐssǝɯ - suoᴉʇnqᴉɹʇuoɔ 18:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Interesting. If we do it for movies, it's only fair it applies for TV series as well. If this goes through, could we rely on you for help with implementing these site-wide? •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Yeah - asner •д• | llɐʍ ǝƃɐssǝɯ - suoᴉʇnqᴉɹʇuoɔ 00:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I thought that was a given. Anyways, it should apply to all mentions. However, this also means we would remove our ruling about long infoboxes needing expand templates such as Iron Man for comics. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Because we'd just use the collapsible function on the mentioned comics? •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:07, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I Support - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:31, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I am very much in support of this as well, as I think it would be very beneficial for readers. Implementation will have to be discussed but I have no objections to the concept. -    Fish Master 41 | Message Wall • Contributions   00:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I am also definitely in support of this proposal. I was a little unclear about how it would actually look on the infoboxes, but seeing the example templates clarified for me exactly how we could expand and contract the mentioned information without the infobox looking strange, so I have no objections to this suggestion. It will greatly aid in readability and will help make it easier for more casual readers to determine what projects characters actually appear in vs. those in which they just receive mentions or other such non-physical appearances. I was wondering whether we might consider doing the same for other types of infoboxes that might get similarly long in the future as the MCU continues, but that's another topic of discussion altogether. Logo8th (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

With Farizhf27 as the only one against this, who did not give a reason and even stated they did not know why they are opposing, and with everyone else who responded doing so in support, this proposal has been approved. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

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Acknowledging Citogenesis

One consistent thing that has been brought up on the wiki is citogenesis. For the purposes of this wiki, that is when Marvel uses information from the wiki that recreated, thus making our information official. I had been thinking of ways to be more honest about this on the wiki, and came up with this page which I am proposing we move into the main space so that it can be more properly acknowledged. I'm open to other names for the page as well, "List of Instances of Citogenesis" was just the best I could come up with. With this, I also propose a category for articles that were the subject of such citogenesis, named precisely that, Category:Articles that are the Subject of Citogenesis, or something more concise if someone has an idea. This would be for articles such as Janice Lincoln where our systems clearly impacted the way Marvel presented information. Thoughts on both of these proposals to be more honest in our reporting would be appreciated! - Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️‍⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 21:18, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

This is a good idea, I just kind of dislike the way the page is presented. The bulk of the text taking up less than 50% of the page is bad in my opinion. I feel it could be simply fixed by having Citogenesis Information below things like the Category and Original Information, similar to how Episodes table on Season pages. I also feel the category name could be shortened to "Articles Subject of Citogenesis". -DavisRanger (talk) 23:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Or just Category:Citogenic Articles. - GarrettSMW | Message Wall • Contributions 23:29, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

This is just common courtesy. It happens to all wikis, from Wikipedia to fandom-run ones. When an official sources accidentally makes a wiki invention canonical, it's only fair to point that out under Notes/Behind the Scenes section. After all, if the wiki was accurate in the first place, then that information wouldn't be there for the official sources to use. Malachi108 (talk) 01:32, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

It's already in Behind the Scenes sections, the question is whether this expansion of such coverage is something you would like. - Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️‍⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 14:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)