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Welcome to the Treehouse! On top of being one of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s bases, this is also the general discussion page for the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki! The Treehouse is the successor to the Playground and serves as the spot where the Wiki community comes together to organize and discuss projects for the Wiki. Proposals suggested on the Playground, even those that received verdicts from the previous administration, are eligible to be reproposed on the Treehouse! To see the most recent discussions, scroll down the page.


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Background changes

Alternate Items Fix

Storing Treehouse proposals in subpages

Messagebox changes

Right now, messageboxes such as {{Template:Imageless}} are being styled through the style property in the div. this is not ideal, as each template needs to be individually edited for changes. with a separate template at {{Template:Messagebox}}, this could be managed better. I would be willing to make an example of what this could look like with alterations to MediaWiki:Common.css simulated, but I imagine the idea is generally similar. even having a template and invoking a parameter to color each messagebox would be better than the current status quo

in addition, the colors for templates do not convey any information to the reader. Wikipedia has a color code that might be helpful with a yellow-orange-red color scheme for articles in order of severity (issues with presentation, content, and the article itself, respectively). this might be a good standard to adhere to, but personally I think using shades of gray and red for general notices might be good, though readers might associate red with some kind of warning Evalprime (talk) 03:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

If you're really open to it like you said, it would be beneficial to see a visual example just to understand everything that is being said. In the meantime, I'll look further into the color coding thing you are saying. - RaffMessage WallContributions 03:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I too like the idea of having a color scheme, and yes, proposals of such nature really benefit with having a visual example. If a mockup can be created, we can look over it. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   05:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I created {{Template:Messagebox}}. Part of that template is actually replacing the table setup with a div setup, which should be better Evalprime (talk) 23:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm very intrigued, I'm just confused on why something like the Imageless Template would need multiple colors. There isn't really any severity with many of our template besides deletion and ones of that nature. - RaffMessage WallContributions 02:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know why either lol, but if the wiki wants to use colors let there be colors. To me it seems like that was determined randomly. But, hey, if we have the opportunity. Evalprime (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Personally I don't see the need for the color coding. Our templates aren't particularly diverse enough that we need to worry about different types of templates for specific templates in my opinion. -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Conjecture Policy

Maintenance template for Articles Whose Subject Comes from Outside of the MCU Franchise

Since a ton of articles whose subject comes from an a Marvel adaption outside of the MCU franchise (e.g. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Deadpool, etc.) already have some sort of invisible text telling editors to not add information not presented in the MCU, I'd suggest creating a maintenance template that conveys this information to both readers and editors. An example of what I would do can be found on my user page. - DemKnux (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

This is a good template but if I were to change the wording, it's actually worded towards editors when it probably should be towards readers Evalprime (talk) 17:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I agree, I think it may be confusing to newcomers when the Deadpool page does not talk about the events of the first two Fox films, or other characters like him. I also like the template, but like Evalprime, I think it would be better to explain it to the readers rather than to the editors, that are likely more familiar with the Wiki's rules. Here is my wording proposition:
"The subject of this article appears in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but originates from another Marvel Comics adaptation. As such, this article exclusively covers Marvel Studios appearances." (Only the second sentence was changed, and I'm open to other wording options that keeps the same meaning). - Incursion Lee 19:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I really like the idea. It can probably be worked in when we make changes to the canon policy. - RaffMessage WallContributions 20:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of this idea as well! I will keep it mind when we undergo reviewing templates. So now we have this, and the aforementioned color scheme proposal. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   21:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Personally I'm mixed. I understand wanting to communicate that, but the goal of maintenance templates is to communicate what updates need to be done on pages. This template would never leave the page. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
While I understand where you're coming from you could say the same thing about the {{AltUniverse}} template. - DemKnux (talk) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Well, the {{Imageless}} template is most likely going to remain forever on a bunch of pages related to stuff mentioned or alluded to in previous Marvel Television TV shows. Those "Imageless" ones would far outnumber any pages that have a template for characters in the MCU who came from non-MCU universes. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   23:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Alterations to the naming policy

Using sentence case for headings and titles

Using real names over codenames

Avoiding DISPLAYTITLE

On articles such as Moon Knight (TV series), the parenthesis is absent from the visible title. This should be discouraged because it obscures where the title is and requires you to use the URL. DISPLAYTITLE should only be used for technical restrictions. This is also the case on the articles for Iron Man's armor like Iron Man Armor: Mark III, where I actually needed to type that out rather than copy and pasting. This suggests that the title this article has isn't good, which suggests to me like a move request should be opened Evalprime (talk) 18:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Not to knock on everything, but I am not really the biggest fan of this either. Utilizing displaytitles makes the overall product of the pages look neater. Having to look to the url is not really a big problem in my opinion since it is right above the top of the page anyways. No prolems have arose from this. - RaffMessage WallContributions 20:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
I think DISPLAYTITLE should be retained. It makes everything look neater. The show is called "Moon Knight" so having the display list "Moon Knight" as opposed to Wikipedia's "Moon Knight (TV series)" looks neater. I don't think DISPLAYTITLE should be discouraged, but the floor is open for others to weigh in. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   21:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the Fandom app it's impossible to see where an article is actually located Evalprime (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
That is correct. But there are a lot of things that Fandom Mobile causes problems for which have to be looked over. - RaffMessage WallContributions 22:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Personally I've always been in favor of not having DISPLAYTITLE. It allows users easier access to our page titles. If people disagree though, we can keep it. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
DISPLAYTITLE allows us to use italics on page displays when appropriate, such as when it's a television episode, movie title, or just items like ships or in-universe movies. Even the "Iron Man/Gallery" becoming "Iron Man | Gallery" allows for neater display. Perhaps a case-by-case basis can be applied for pages, but on the whole I'm in favor of retaining DISPLAYTITLE. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   23:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Agreeing with Logan, I am very much in favor of keeping DISPLAYTITLE. - RaffMessage WallContributions 02:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I should have clarified, I have no problem with DISPLAYTITLE for italicizing works. The problem comes with using it to come up with different names that aren't the URL. Evalprime (talk) 05:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Raff and Logan. Moon Knight is not called Moon Knight (TV series), it is called Moon Knight, so that's what the title should be. - GarrettPlayzRBLX - Message WallContributions 18:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
That doesn't really address the point. It's unfortunate that Marvel chose a name for a show that happens to be the same as the character it's based on, but titles are supposed to indicate what an article is about, not dictate what an article should be called. Two articles can't have the same name, and that doesn't have anything to do with saying Moon Knight (TV series) in conversation. In other words, we're not writing a dictionary where every article title needs to match the exact name (which is the problem on United States of America), we're writing an encyclopedia with indexes of page topics. Evalprime (talk) 10:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
While I'm amenable to the idea of potentially keeping "TV series" in the title, but using DISPLAYTITLE for the italics, there are many pages where we would prefer to not have the page URL displayed as the page name. Not all wikis are the same; many wikis choose to display page names differently than their URL, which is why the template of DISPLAYTITLE exists, and why we choose to exercise that option. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   11:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Small correction, it's a magic word not a template, but I get your point. This is what I've been trying to say actually, I have no problem with it being used for italics (and I think it absolutely needs to be, I would rather have this proposal be rejected but keep italics than the other way around). However, if a title isn't ideal, I think the page should be moved to that title. For Iron Man's armor, I think a better title could be used like "Iron Man's armor (Mark III)" (or Iron Man Armor (Mark III)", with the benefit of having "Iron Man Armor" as a list page, but that's a separate proposal. Still, if a page title needs to be changed, it's probably not the best title Evalprime (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
I disagree with getting rid of DISPLAYTITLE as well. It gives the Wiki a more professional look which goes is in line with the style we want. It’s also not hard to find Moon Knight (TV series) instead of Moon Knight, as when you type Moon Knight into the Wiki’s search bar, it’s the second option that comes up. It’s also linked several times on Moon Knight’s page, with the first link on the page being the Moon Knight disambiguation which allows you to find the show page. - Fish Master 41 (Message Wall) 15:03, July 06, 2024 (PST)

Other changes to the policy

Citation templates

Marvel Theme Park Universe Coverage

Alternate Universe Dreams

Since Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness retconned that dreams are visions of alternate universes, I believe that the wiki should reflect this and consider all dreams that have appeared/been mentioned in the MCU as alternate universes, regardless of what the writers originally intended. For an in-depth look of dreaming/dreams in the MCU see this page. - DemKnux (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Unite the Marvel Cinematic Universe Main Universe Events

I have a suggestion for the new administrators, I think we should unite the main universe events (especially in the infobox) unlike in the previous administration.

The current main universe events now differ to: 1. Movies + Comics (Except Jessica Jones) + One-Shots/Short Films + ABC Series (Except Inhumans) + Disney+ Series + Web Series + Promotional Campaigns + Books 2. Inhumans 3. Netflix Series + Jessica Jones Comics + Promotional Campaigns 4. Runaways + Cloak & Dagger 5. Helstrom

I think we should unite them all into one.-Farizhf27 (message wall) 03:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

See the thing about this is that the previous administration was inconsistent with explanations. At some times they had said that previous and next events are not for the next chronological event, but the next and previous events that are affected by or affect the event. I for one understand this ruling and if that is the case moving forward, this proposal would not really matter. However, I know a lot of users also think it is purely chronological which I believe had also been said is the case by administration. If this is the way moving forward, I agree it should all fit into one. - RaffMessage WallContributions 03:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
It gets even more confusing since time travel/Multiverse events have the <small>(narratively)</small> and the <small>(chronologically)</small> tags which might make readers wonder which of the two the "default" events listed are meant to be. In any case, while I do think the original structure suffices, I'd like to move Netflix series to Tier 1. Especially in light of recent statements by Brad Winderbaum, I think it deserves to be up there. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   08:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Personally I do see value in separating them by subfranchise, but have always found it weird that events like Evacuation of Attilan have nothing after them. Maybe compromise and say we can put a previous from a different subfranchise for the first and an after for the last? -Jessica3801 (talk) 03:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I think the problem we run into is, as an encyclopedia covering all of the MCU's "canon material" people use the Events section to see which event came chronologically before or after. But I also do see value in separating them as well. Just not entirely, since I do think Netflix series should be on Tier 1 alongside Agent Carter and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. But to entertain the thought of covering it all together, we currently already list flashback events together (ex. a flashback from a Marvel Television show set in 1991, if there is a flashback from a Marvel Studios movie set in 1992, it goes under "Next") so perhaps we can list both, but the sub-franchise gets the "Narratively" and the next event in the overall timeline gets the "Chronologically". And if the next event happens to be both, no tag is necessary. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   08:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about grouping them all into one; however, I do think the Netflix shows deserve to be on Tier 1. So:
1. Movies + Comics (Except Jessica Jones) + One-Shots/Short Films + ABC Series (Except Inhumans) + Netflix Series + Disney+ Series + Web Series + Promotional Campaigns + Books
2. Inhumans
3. Jessica Jones Comics + Promotional Campaigns
4. Runaways + Cloak & Dagger
5. Helstrom

latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   09:05 30 June 2024 (UTC)

How about we listed like this
1. Movies + One-Shots/Short Films + ABC Series (Including Inhumans) + Netflix Series + Disney+ Series + Comics + Books + Promotional Campaigns
2. Hulu Series (Runaways and Helstrom) + Freeform Series (Cloak & Dagger) -Farizhf27 (message wall) 11:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Regardless of how everyone weighs in, I still want to stress the importance of putting Netflix on the same tier as Disney+ and ABC series. I mean Daredevil: Born Again (Disney+) is continuing off of events and plot threads from Daredevil, and it'd be weird if they were on separate tiers, wouldn't it. •latest?cb=20240626232926   MJLogan95 | Message WallContributions   11:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the best course of action is to not do it as chronological order but as what events it actually affects and was affected by. This way we don't have to deal with this issue or the ugly "chronologically" and "narratively". I never liked having to click from one event to one unrelated event. If I were only a reader, I would want to read in depth on what happens next. Not read in depth on an unrelated thing that happens to take place next. - RaffMessage WallContributions 13:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Updated About Page

Change to Citing Deleted Scenes

With Disney+ giving names to many of the MCU's numerous deleted scenes, I feel it is time to do a small rework of how we cite them. Right now it is just:

<media> Deleted Scene | <media> [[List of Deleted Scenes|Deleted Scene]]

Although this is a little inconsistent, sometimes with a "-", which I am on the fence on.

However, this is unspecific, meaning readers would have to guess what scene we are citing. For Deleted Scenes with names, I'd recommend we change it to:

<Media> [[List of Deleted Scenes#<Media>|"<Deleted scene name>" Deleted Scene]]

This specifies what Deleted Scene the citation are referring to. As an example it would be: Iron Man "Convoy Ambush" Deleted Scene | ''[[Iron Man]]'' [[List of Deleted Scenes#Iron Man|"Convoy Ambush" Deleted Scene]]

-DavisRanger (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that some deleted scenes don't have names. - RaffMessage WallContributions 19:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
I know. Only named deleted scenes would include the name in the citation. Maybe we also could change citations for unnamed deleted scenes to specify that it is citing an unnamed one. -DavisRanger (talk) 20:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
It feels like it would just be more work for no real gain. I don't take part in the renaming edits that span the entire wiki, but I imagine they're not fun to do, so doing it for something that isn't a complete thing would probably be not ideal. Plus, citing it as a deleted scene from X works as a cite. Giving it a unique name (especially when most don't have them) doesn't seem needed. -Bozz77 (talk) 2:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
First off, due to D+ it IS most deleted scenes, (check List of Deleted Scenes if you don't believe me and not to mention the less uniquely named the scenes, the less work this change would be) and again the gain would be clarity on what is being cited for both editors and readers. I am well aware of how painful mass wiki changes like this can be but ultimately it should just be going through Special:WhatLinksHere/List of Deleted Scenes, which is 1125, which is much less then Template:AltFloat needs. -DavisRanger (talk) 03:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Separation of Mediums

It has always been odd to me that we classify the MCU projects according to their medium (I'm talking about screen projects, like movies, TV series, short films, special presentations, …).

For example, when we display the whole MCU on the homepage, the different mediums are separated. And with only the release year of each project displayed, it is hard to know when TV series are released relative to movies released in the same year, which I think would be interesting to know.

Same in the movies and TV series templates, I think it would be more accurate if the "Previous" and "Next" sections would display the next project in the MCU, regardless of its medium. Now, I know that some TV series episodes release on the same day as a movie. To avoid this, we could say that if the first episode of a TV series releases before the movie does, then the TV series should be put before. If the first episode releases on the same day as the movie, the movie should always be put before since TV series usually don't release at midnight, while movies do.

With that being said, I would like to separate the different sagas in the movies and TV series as follows:

It does not have to be exactly as I said, I'm open to suggestions. - Incursion Lee 11:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I have opinions on this that I won't express in this reply because I want to ask this question first: If we were to have "Previous" and "Next" sections go to the next piece of media in the phase regardless of medium, would it be easier to have one dedicated to phase/release order and another "Previous" and "Next" for media order? Because I do somewhat enjoy having it just go by media type (film, television, etc). Changing it to just follow per project is not something I'm exactly keen on changing unless there is a way to have both "Previous" and "Next" sections exist to some capacity. latest?cb=20230220163617   Pr0tato210 | Message WallContributions   15:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I guess we could do both, with a "Saga" and a "Medium" sub-section, each with their own "Previous" and "Next" button. I'm okay with having both, but I don't really understand why we should have to separate the different media types. Incursion Lee (talk) 16:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Alternate Universe Categories

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