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Textless Posters Legitimacy

What would count for the legitimacy of Textless variants of posters if they are fan edited or not and if they were not edited by fans how can one tell the difference? Transparent AOU Logo.png Valyrian Wildfire   There are no strings on me. 02:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, that's a pretty broad topic. Generally, you should not upload fan-edited textless posters if you know for a fact they are edited. If you're unsure, you should ask whoever uploaded to the source site before uploading them here, as currently there is no exception for them in the image policy in regards to fan edits. It's as simple as zooming in and looking for artifacts around the area where the logo would be. If you don't find anything out of the ordinary, you're probably looking at a legit textless poster. You suggested before that you wanted the image policy to be changed to allow fan-edited, so I think you should have just been more upfront about that here.latest?cb=20200507061542&format=original - BlogsMessage WallGuestbook 04:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I was feeling a bit nervous about it. Transparent AOU Logo.png Valyrian Wildfire   There are no strings on me. 04:38, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Fixing References and Gallery Links

Templates

Hi! Have you ever thought of using templates to refer to the works in the MCU? For example using {{WV}} to generate "WandaVision", and {{WV|1|9}} to generate "WandaVision: 1.09: The Series Finale". or better, "WandaVision: 1.09: The Series Finale", so that there will be links for both the show name and the episode name. I think using templates will help avoid typos or formatting inconsistencies when writing these names, and will also save quite some work (for example, you don't have to remember the name of every episode, as long as you know the number, to generate the correct result). MalchonC (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

This would essentially require reformatting the Wiki in every area where a reference exists, which would take forever. Not to mention the fact that most of the time we just copy and paste the text now so it's hardly an inconvenience, and it would increase loading times for pages marginally. If we had started off in a perfect world where we could plan to do that ahead of time, then yeah I might actually agree with this, but we did not and so it's just not viable. This template also appears to be very heavy on switch statements, which would again would probably increase load times.latest?cb=20200507061542&format=original - BlogsMessage WallGuestbook 22:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
On Harry Potter Wiki we use this kind of templates heavily and I have to say I cannot notice the time difference of loading pages between this site and that one at all. And couldn't there be some kind of bot to automate it if it's indeed a good change? MalchonC (talk) 05:00, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
That's a big if honestly. Loading time differences are minimal, but they're there. The problem with the idea of this being a "good change" is that it needlessly complicates something with an established and perfectly convenient format that can easily be copy-pasted around the site as needed, while requiring mass edits for all older pages. It would also be confusing to both new and old editors who are either familiar with the old system or not knowledgeable of template formatting.latest?cb=20200507061542&format=original - BlogsMessage WallGuestbook 03:35, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Well, just an advice. If you think the works are too much, then fine :) MalchonC (talk) 09:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Bit late of a response but I'm willing to put in the effort to create a template for Loki, maybe at Template:LokiTV, and mass edit all the pages. Matachak (talk) 19:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
That would be needed for each and every MCU film, episode, comic, novel, artbook, guidebook and media. Not just the latest 6 episode series. Too much effort, too little reward.--Shabook (talk) 18:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. latest?cb=20200507061542&format=original - BlogsMessage WallGuestbook 00:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Game pages

Hi! Since we make pages for characters from Alternate Realities in What If...?, I think we should make them for games as well. What I mean by this is that, characters appearing in What If... Captain Carter Were The First Avenger?, are given a /Super Soldier Peggy Carter subpage. The games are nearly as noticeable as the show. Currently, some pages have tabs for appearing in multiple games as seen on Mangog, however instead of using tabs we can use subpages. The only problem is finding names. The names used on List of Alternate Universes would need to be revised for subpages. Thoughts? AmazinglyCool (talk) 23:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

It is a work in progress that nobody has committed to.--Shabook (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Is there any way I can help? AmazinglyCool (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Apocryphal Articles and the Multiverse

Now that Loki's first season has wrapped up and the Multiverse has been fully realized, I wanted to clarify if possible how we should handle the articles currently listed under the category Apocryphal articles. Should these also receive the alternate universe template and designation like the previously non-canon articles did, or should they be left where they are now? There's also the question of how we should handle the video-game pages. Should we remove the "Canon Status" section on the video-game articles that states the ways in which they contradict with the mainline MCU timeline and consider them part of an alternate universe, or should we leave it the way it is now? And, finally, should we upgrade the "Non-Canon Character Bios" on these video-game articles to full alternate universe character pages, or should we leave them as they are now? I can help out with any and all of these potential changes if need be, but I wanted to clarify wether or not any of them needed to be done first before I did anything. Logo8th (talk)

Flint Marko and Sandman

Since we have Sandman (FFH) and Flint Marko (NWH) how will we add both since both are referred to as "Sandman." I have some ideas like Sandman (Earth-96283) or Sandman/Earth-96283. If we won't do that what will we do? -Ewysgarcoyustcrouiwetsnro - My Blogs - Message Wall - 04:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, we're not doing any of that "Earth-96283" stuff. If Flint Marko/Sandman does indeed appear in Spider-Man: No Way Home, he'd get the Sandman designation, and the Elemental Projection that currently holds the "Sandman" page title would most likely be renamed to "Sandman (Elemental)" or "Sandman (Illusion)", etc. MJLogan95 (talk) 22:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
No. Sandman from No Way Home will eventually receive an alternate universe designation like every other character hailing from an AU whose name conflicts with a character from the main universe.--Shabook (talk) 10:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
While that is the norm, the reason I said what I said is because I was thinking of the Elemental Illusion Sandman from "Far From Home" as an Item more so than a Character, but yeah, the AU designation for Sandman works, too. MJLogan95 (talk) 15:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Venom

MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE

The post-credits scene of Venom: Let There Be Carnage has the character end up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe under mysterious circumstances. He listens to a broadcast from The Daily Bugle about Spider-Man's true identity with Venom licking at the screen and saying "That guy". I'm asking if we should create an article for Eddie Brock aka Venom since his third film will be part of the MCU. Ficboy (talk) 24:50, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

We won't create any article that doesn't come from Marvel Studios productions. If we do that with every character that interacted with the MCU, like in the comics where characters traveled to Earth-199999, we would have a bunch of articles unrelated to the core of the franchise. So no, no for the time being. The pages have already been protected from creation. Marvelus (talk) 01:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
But we have articles from Marvel Television (besides video games as well) that aren't from Marvel Studios but are MCU, so either way i think Venom should be added as well to this wiki as well, Tom Holland even winked at this on instagram saying "Are the rumors true 😏". We have stuff from other studios but from the same universe as Earth-199999 AND stuff from Marvel Studios but from different universes (What If), so Venom fits in one way or another on the criteria to be part of this wiki. Doctor49 (Talk Contributions) 23:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi. The status of Marvel Television productions are widely different, as they have been acknowledged by both parties to be set in the MCU. Whereas we have Feige calling Venom "another universe" and Sony stating that Morbius isn't set in the MCU. And you totally do not understand how What If...? and Venom are so different from each other. Venom does not fit at all the criteria, yes, it does tie to the MCU franchise, but it is not part of the franchise, which is what this wiki covers, if that were the case we would create articles for comics from Marvel Comics that tie in to the MCU by having Earth 616 character travelling into MCU. Not the case. Marvelus (talk) 24:54, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Time Heist Alternate Characters

I'm very sorry if this topic was brought up/dismissed before, feel free to just ignore this if that is the case. I think some of the Avengers: Endgame characters need separate pages for their alternate versions, created due to the Time Heist, similar to Thanos/Warrior Thanos and Loki/Time-Traveller. At the very least, Nebula should have one because main timeline Nebula and 2012 Nebula have their stories interfering with each other. I would personally say that alternate Steve Rogers and Gamora could use their own pages as well. This is a mere suggestion, if you think they don't need separate pages, that'd be 100% understandable. King Nasara (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I 100% agree with you. Doctor49 (Talk Contributions) 23:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
It's not that they don't need separate pages, they do. And one day they'll get them. The issue is that the wiki hasn't come up with a name for the Time Heist realities yet. Stuff like "/Time Heist", "/2012 Time Heist", "/Cosmic Time Heist" have been shot down. Because a name couldn't be decided, 2014 Thanos is temporarily listed /Warrior Thanos while 2012 Loki is /Time-Traveller. I'm sure Shabook will come up with a temporary name for 2014 Gamora by the time Vol. 3 gets here, but until he decides on a name, we can't make pages for the alternate people in Endgame. Maybe we can ask for that discussion to be reactivated at the Talk:Lighthouse after What If...? ends? MJLogan95 (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Organization Hub

Conjecture Policy clarification

There is currently a part in the Conjecture Policy that states:

"Conjecture is permitted in ... situations:
  • Names for characters, places, and objects seen on-screen but not fully named otherwise. This particularly includes the full names of characters derived from Marvel Comics."

It however does not define what exactly "derived" means, which in theory (and occasional practice) enables minor on-screen characters to be identified as adaptations of comic characters who have very little in common with them (other than the common partial name). This can create false impression with readers and hurt the overall accuracy. I suggest a clarification addendum that would read as follows:

  • Names for characters, places, and objects seen on-screen but not fully named. This particularly includes adaptations of characters from Marvel Comics.
    • To be considered an adaptation of a character from the comics, the MCU character has to share with them a common identifier (such as partial name or an alias) and perform a closely similar function within the story or, alternatively, be identified as such in official promotional material such as (but not limited to) interviews with the cast and crew.

To be clear, this is specifically aimed at examples of Janice Lincoln, Victoria Snow and (most recently), Tomas Delgado, all of whom were only given first name in the credits and have been matched to comic characters whom they have very little in common with seemingly based on that name alone. It would not apply to other characters such as Leonard Samson or Cindy Moon who, while also given only the first name in the credits, have occupations and relationships to other characters greatly resembling those in the comics (Leonard's unique situation is indeed, as has been noted, a retcon).

Please voice your support, the reason for opposition or any comments or questions below. HBK123 (talk) 00:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello there, so far, we have had no problems with the use of this policy, the Tomas Delgado one was a mistake that carried on, the user who added it, has since removed it because there was never proof he was Tomas Delgado, it was a mistake. The examples of Janice Lincoln and Victoria Snow work in this case because of their background being similarly in the comics iirc. Plus, the SEO tool works better to get more viewers to this wiki. Cindy Moon was confirmed later but other web media after the release of Homecoming, and as for Leonard Samson... that is a retcon that is YET to happen. We act with what Marvel says, so far, that Leonard Samson is an adaptation of Doc Samson. The problem of Tomas Delgado was an isolated incident, one we always try to prevent. -- Marvelus (talk) 23:17, December 1 2021 (UTC)
I personally do not feel like there is enough with Janice and Victoria to claim their backgrounds as similar. Both are common names, so Victoria sharing a name with a Stark employee could easily be a coincidence, since there's like a hundred of those in the comics and she has absolutely nothing in common with Vicki "Vic" Snow otherwise. Janice is even less credible, as there's nothing whatsoever tying her to Beetle sides vaguely opposing Spider-Man. By the same logic she could be Janice Yanizeski / Joystick, another minor Spider-Man villain - the level of similarity is exactly the same.
As for the SEO, it absolutely should not come before accuracy and to even imply otherwise for me is shocking. HBK123 (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

IMAX images

For several weeks now, we've had official access to IMAX versions of 13 MCU movies that show significantly more of the screen, being closer to the versions the directors have preferred. Yet almost none of those expanded images have made their way onto the wiki because one of the Admins insists that they are inferior and thus redundant to the standard version. This decision does not seem to have been discussed anywhere and in fact several members of the community other than myself see it as obviously wrong. It does in fact run contrary to the current policy that says "Images should be of the highest quality possible".

Please voice your support for allowing IMAX image uploads so that it can be codified in the rules properly. HBK123 (talk) 10:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I am definitely in agreement. I believe an argument from one admin was that doing so would make image aspect ratio inconsistent, but there are other remedies to that available if it is viewed as that much of an issue, such as setting default crop settings for the use of "thumb" in file display in the CSS. I would say that image aspect ratio up to this point has already been inconsistent between Marvel Studios content and Marvel Television content (as well as just Marvel Studios content with a few films). IMAX images are the most detailed images we have available, and as a wiki I believe we prioritize having the most detailed content we can provide. latest?cb=20200507061542&format=original - BlogsMessage WallGuestbook 22:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I also support this proposal. I don't believe quality should be sacrificed for consistency, and the argument presented that the images should have a consistent image size and aspect ratios is already nonexistent due to this site's screenshots for films such as The Avengers and Ant-Man. As a wiki, I believe we should strive to upload the highest quality images possible, and as an extension, I push for this to be re-clarified in the Image Policy as well. Mister Explicit (talk) 22:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I support this as well. While I was okay with the IMAX images I uploaded being reverted to widescreen standard, the reasoning given that it would be inconsistent with other images seemed flimsy to me when we have other film galleries that do have IMAX or promotional images of different aspect ratios. Having IMAX images shows the full thing, and having a widescreen version that crops the top & bottom out makes the image inferior. The admin in question has stated they personally do not agree on the IMAX versions being superior, and thus not qualifying for the Image Policy's "highest quality" bit, hence why the Image Policy needs to be amended to address the usage of IMAX images specifically. MJLogan95 (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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