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Promotional Images

By this conversation between me and Nerdtastic1221 we've came up with different views for the same problem. As noted by him most of the galleries here on the wiki have Promotional Still Images listed under Screenshots sections. Since I was the one of the main editors for the Spider-Man/Gallery page, I could shape it the wright way: by adding Still images under the proper Promotional section as they should be. By reading our conversation (and the links I showed him ) you can see that by definition Screenshots and Stills are different things. Nerdtastic1221 justified keeping things the way they are because that's the way we always did and that's why we shouldn't change. Several times we did structural changes here (for the best) and we also did changes that included editing lots and lots of articles (like the addition of the Citizenship and Affiliation categories). That's why I propose to proper rearrange the Gallery pages and rightfully ajust this little mistake we have on our wiki. I would be glad if I could count on your help like I did with the Citizenship and Affiliation categories since I'll need all of it.--Blaublau94 (talk) 17:04, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

SMH Promo Still 3

My argument is that this is a still image from a movie scene, it is a taken from a scene being filmed with the actors. In my mind this allows it to be included in the screenshots section. The screenshots section is for images from the movie/tv show scenes themselves, regardless if they were literally taken from the completed shot or not.

I believe the promotional section of the gallery should be reserved for posters or posed images of the cast.

Backing me up is the fact that in the wiki's entire history, these sorts or images have always been included in the screenshots section of the galleries.Nerdtastic1221 (talk) 17:28, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

There are things that don't have to be discussed. Definitions are what they are. And any image that appears in a movie or TV episode is an screenshot, no matter if it was taken from the released media, or by Marvel prior to the release...--Shabook (talk) 17:43, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
Except this image does not appear in a TV episode or a movie. They are set photo, they have different angles and cuts and light and are not representative of the final product.--Elledy92 (talk) 10:49, August 8, 2017 (UTC+1)
Agreed. Set photos such as the one shown above with Ned Leeds and Peter Parker should be categorized under "stills"; if anything, however, it would still fall under "Promotional" rather than "Screenshots". MJLogan95 (talk) 14:37, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

I would say there's a difference between a set picture and a still, and a still has more relevance in the screenshots section. I honestly believe that the promotional section should be reserved for posters, and cast photoshoots like the recent ones from the Inhumans. On another point, for ease of use on this wiki, it is vastly easier to find a still image from a movie/tv scene when it's in the screenshots section in the correct order. And as Shabook says, why does anyone want to try and redefine this? If anything should be changed (which it doesn't need to), then perhaps consider changing the word screenshots to stills, but that is still basically pointless.Nerdtastic1221 (talk) 15:36, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe there should be a section for "stills" as well as a section for "screenshots", with the latter being classified for actual screenshots taken from the film. And this way, the "promotional" section is reserved for posters, magazine artwork, etc. Adding another header isn't going to be too difficult or a waste of time, even. And it does smooth this issue out, does it not? MJLogan95 (talk) 15:40, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
There isn't much of a difference between a still and a set photo. They are the same thing. The difference between a screenshot and a still is the first one is a frame taken from a video, the latter is a photo taken from video. There is no need to create a "stills" paragraph, but they certanly fall more under the category of promotional material. Elledy92 (talk) 19:23, August 8, 2017 (UTC+1)

I agree with Blaublau94. Just because the wiki has always done something doesn't mean it needs to stay that way. Stills released by Marvel are mostly set photos (the ones that aren't are usually the ones that have CGI, in which case they are actually screencaps). By the strictest definitions of canon, which is what we usually abide by, set photos would therefore not be canon and shouldn't appear in screenshots or on in universe pages and should just be in the promotional galleries. Coluanprime (talk) 18:17, August 9, 2017 (UTC)

IF the "still" does not literally appear the same way in the movie/tv-show, it should not be in screenshots, if it does (like a lot of them do) it could fit as a screenshot. But if making this change could lead to "stills" that match "screenshots" could end up not falling under screenshots, even though they technicaly are, I dont agree with the change, because that wont mean fixing a mistake, but just changing a mistake. Atleast they should not end up in the set photos.TomasDerksen (talk) 20:24, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
But still hardly cannot be mistaken for screenshots. Sometimes they appear similar, maybe shots in a similar angle, but lights and cuts are usually different. I think that cannot be mistaken. Elledy92 (talk) 23:51, August 11, 2017 (UTC+1)

Mythological Characters Category

I was thinking that, since a lot of characters that are consider mythological exists in the MCU, like Bast and Hanuman, but even "physical" characters like Thor and Loki, the category "Mythological Characters" could be created (since Characters suitable in this case). --Elledy92 (Elledy92) 11:17, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Medicines Category

I'd like to suggest the creation of a category for Medicines, as a subcategory of Items. This category could at least include GH.325, Ghost Infection Antidote, Terrigenesis Vaccine, Rapid Bone-Healing Pills, Resurrection Elixir and Sufentanil. I'm not sure whether the Tetrodotoxin B would fall into this.--TraceFinder (talk) 12:45, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

This sounds like a good category / subcategory of items to me. There appears to be enough articles based of what you mentioned and I’m sure there will be more in the future. It’s also a distinct and easily understandable category. Lol pie (talk) 15:49, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Category for Actors with Upcoming Roles

Category for Cloak and Dagger's visions


Alternate Reality for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Future

Now that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D./Season Five is over, it is clear without a doubt that episodes Orientation Part One to Past Life all take place in an alternate bad future. That means that every character that first appear in them, such as Deke Shaw, Flint or Sinara are not from the main MCU timeline, but more importantly, the characters who got into that future by taking the slow path (Leo Fitz, Elena Rodriguez, Robin Hinton) are going to have different lives from now on, requiring to split their articles into alternate counterparts. Should we treat it like Framework and create alternate selves pages for everyone involved, including alternate histories of events, locations and objects? HBK123 (talk) 09:52, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

The only characters that need alternate articles are the ones seen in The Last Day, which includes Leo Fitz' version, and Robin Hinton. For now, the Fitz we saw returning to the past until The End will be treated as the one and the same in the main article. No other articles need splitting, items, events and locations, even the Lighthouse, don't need an alternate article. Use the Framework situation as a template for how to deal with alternate realities.--Shabook (talk) 11:08, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
There are however different articles for vehicles and locations of the Framework. There is a different article for the Zephyr One, for example. Or even Washington D.C.--Elledy92 (talk) 11:48, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
And what articles would need alternate articles? Certainly not the future characters. And not the items, because no matter their different history, items like the Odium are exactly the same item, unlike Framework items which were digital recreations, not the same item.--Shabook (talk) 11:59, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
I agree that items like the Odium or the Kree Battle Axe shouldn't be changed, since they are generic items. But important vehicles and locations like the Zephyr One of the Lighthouse should be splitted since they have a different story in the alternate future (the Lightouse being essentially turned into a space station).
Both the Lighthouse and the Zephyr One are the same physical items, with just another history in the ELE future.--Shabook (talk) 13:39, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

Also, What about merging all the timeline page after 2018 (related to this new timeline), into a single page about the events of the "Earth Destroyed Timeline"? --Elledy92 (talk) 12:05, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
Speaking strictly from an administrative POV, and not my personal opinion which I will keep for myself, timeline articles are fanon content right now, and all information is, or should be, available in the rest of well-sourced articles of this wiki.--Shabook (talk) 13:39, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand what the answer is to the question about page-moving, though. Is there going to be one collective page as Elledy has suggested? And which point is the wiki considering to be the point of divergence? When the team return from the future, when Coulson decides to slip the Centipede serum into Daisy's gauntlets, or something like that? It can't just be that when the team transported into the future they went into an alternate timeline, because otherwise Fitz could not have slept 74 years from the present into that future. The White Monolith might be considered capable of switching between timelines, but going to sleep isn't.BEJT (talk) 21:06, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
And that is something that we won't know for now, and we will probably have to wait until Season 6, which means more than a year. Marvel's rules for future timelines are that every alternate future is set actually in an alternate reality. That the ELE future is an alternate reality is not questionable anymore...--Shabook (talk) 21:16, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
OK, I think I get you. What does ELE stand for? And what do you suggest should be the existing articles? For example: "2017" showing both "2018" and "Earth Destroyed Timeline" (or whichever title) as "After"? Then 2018 just including this timeline's events and everything going forwards, and "Earth Destroyed Timeline" including the way things went down in the bad timeline, and the 2091-set episodes' events? Or at the point of divergence in 2018 a note referring to the other page? Basically, do you have an opinion on which pages should exist, and how it should be structured?BEJT (talk) 21:23, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
ELE stands for Extinction Level Event. Timeline for the altenate future should be condensed into a single article, similar to Before 20th Century. Not sure about the name yet.--Shabook (talk) 21:34, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
OK, cool. Just say whenever you think of a title. The only thing I wouldn't use is "Alternate" or "Alternative" because that suggests it was never going to be the case - but it was the original timeline and this new one is the change, as shown by Fitz's sleep and Robin feeling the shift to a new timeline. I might suggest "Original Timeline Future" or "Destroyed Earth Timeline Future" or "Lighthouse Timeline Future".BEJT (talk) 01:18, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

That the future the S.H.I.E.L.D. team saw at the beginning of Season Five was bad, there's no doubt about that. But that it was alternate - nope! Technically, it was the original future, the future that happened, the future they lived in. By changing the past (defeating Talbot) they have created an alternate timeline, a timeline they're now living in.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 13:28, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
Technically, if the current reality is going to still be Earth-199999 (which is a fact, as Marvel Studios shoots down anything so ambitious from Marvel Television), then the future where Earth is destroyed is an alternate reality with another numerical designation.--Shabook (talk) 13:39, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
I understand that Shabook, but I feel Uskok is right since Fitz fell asleep in the present day and slept through into the future. The White Monolith might be considered capable of switching between timelines, but going to sleep isn't. As well as this, Robin feels the shift from the original timeline to the new timeline. Is it possible however that since time is fluid, according to Simmons at the end of the episode, that Earth-199999 is the final, cemented timeline in the MCU, but the alternative futures essentially get discarded as different designations?BEJT (talk) 21:06, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

Actors with Roles in Comic Book Adaptations outside the Marvel Cinematic Universe

In the past few weeks, I've been doing a thorough review of the more than 5000 articles in the Actors category, and while doing so, I realized something a bit troublesome. So far, actors and stunt performers have Trivia points detailing their roles in each and every movie labelled as "comic book adaptations". Does this mean that, in order for article to be complete and consistent with each other, do we have to keep an eye on EVERY movie remotely based in anything written inside a strip searching for actors and stunt performers that may have appeared in one the many MCU products?

I can understand the Trivia value of the appearances of an actor in other films based on Marvel characters, and even in DC as Marvel's main competitor. In some cases, these roles have been documented to in casting a particular actor in a role, or their willingness/reluctance to accept their role in the MCU. And that is why they are "Trivia-worthy".

However, how does it affect an appearance in, let's say, Fear the Walking Dead, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Atomic Blonde, Happy! and many others, to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

So, unless there is a very good reason on why to keep these and waste time and effort instead of focusing on the actual purpose of this wiki, most of this Trivia points are going to disappear. Anyone?--Shabook (talk) 15:21, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

I would say leave the trivia about connections to other Marvel projects and DC works then just have a general statement that the actor/actress having appeared in other "comic related" projects but not list specific details.--Professor Ambrius (talk) 18:24, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
But why? Following that reasoning, we should also add sci-fi movies, action/adventure movies or blockbuster movies...--Shabook (talk) 18:39, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
Then go ahead and remove the content. If it's pointless then it pointless. All I meant was that how I would do trivia connected to other projects. Apparently I for got to type "would" when I left my original reply. I wasn't coming out and saying that should be the new policy.--Professor Ambrius (talk) 21:07, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
The point of this subject was me asking for a reason to keep it that, personally, I don't see. If somebody does, please.
I gotta side with Shabook here. It seems like overkill to specifically mention if actors or stunt performers have appeared in other Comic Book related mediums. At the end of the day it just doesn't really have much to do with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which obviously this entire Wiki is based upon. Perhaps listing if actors or stunt performers have appeared in other Marvel productions could be relevant, but as mentioned their involvement in something from DC or another comic book franchise is just not worth the effort to add to what could be literally hundreds of articles. Blizzard1289 (talk) 20:27, September 20, 2018 (UTC)


I noticed that the countdown timer for Captain Marvel on the front page is now counting up. Is there a way to stop this?

Skovox (talk) 01:22, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Changed to Avengers: Endgame.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 17:22, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Infinity Stones Enhancement

So in Captain Marvel we find out that she got her powers from the engine powered by the cosmic power of the Tesseract. So just like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Carol's power comes from the infinity stones. Although kree blood was given to her, (like an Inhuman) she is seen manifesting her power before the transfer, showing the true origin of it.

So I was thinking that maybe adding an "infinity stone enchancement" chategory and description would serve the wikia while still being canon. What do you think? --Vagon23 (talk) 16:32, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Characters of unknown species

Hi, I was wondering if I would be allowed to create a category for characters whose species are not specified. I've noticed a lot of characters on this wiki whose species are not mentioned and I just wanted to group them together. I also wanted to ask permission just in case. Humanoid21 (talk) 19:19, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this idea! Bpste1 (talk) 07:59, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

For the film, it is currently protected, limiting creation of the page to admins. Now, i have created the article here. Given that its mostly finished and will be produced after 2021, what can be done to ensure it is published? MechQueste talk 13:17, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Two things

First, my friend who used to be on this site posted something about Captain Marvel, about like a Rotten Tomatoes score or something, but it was deleted, and when he asked the admins, they wouldn't even tell him why. That doesn't sound fair. If there was a reason for it, he deserves to know so he won't do it again, he is not the type to deliberately break rules, he is one of the kindest people on this site. But he is no longer here because he doesn't find it to be a very decent community for this reason and the one below.

Second, they didn't take such action against someone repeatedly complaining about Captain Marvel being female, which was pretty much a display of sexism, which I would think isn't appropriate for this site. I don't know where this was said, I was just informed about it. KillRoy231 (talk) 23:42, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

What did your friend post about Captain Marvel? And what action did this site 'not take'? Bpste1 (talk) 13:43, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Update Template

With new seasons for TV series getting closer, I was wondering if we shouldn't implement an "Update" template (like it's done on other Wikias or Wikipedia), which would be put in articles which are not Stubs, but need new information because of newly released episodes/movies. For example, the articles about Cloak and Dagger, or the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, which will soon need to be updated with the new seasons arriving.

I was thinking we could create a tag similar to the Delete tag, which could be put on top on articles and in which the editor which puts the tag can indicate from which episode/movie the article needs to be updated. As for the quote, we could use what Tony says to Bruce in Avengers: Infinity War ("God, we haven't caught up in a spell, have we?").

That way, an article could follow this kind of process: Redlink (no article) -> Upcoming content (if known before release) -> Stub (after release) -> Update (no longer stub but still needing updating) -> Expand (in necessary sections) -> Complete article--TraceFinder (talk) 14:00, April 1, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you! Great idea! --Vagon23 (talk) 18:45, April 1, 2019 (UTC)


After Endgame, we know that many characters travelled through time for the stones. I suggest creating a new 'Time-Traveler' category. Such characters would include Tony, Cap, Widow, Hawkeye, Nebula, Rhodey, Rocket, Thor, Thanos, Gamora, the Black Order, and Doctor Strange (from his solo film).

Any community/admin thoughts on this? --Bpste1 (talk) 07:58, April 25, 2019 (UTC)