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- 1 What If...? Season Three
- 1.1 What If... The Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers?
- 1.2 What If... Agatha Went to Hollywood?
- 1.3 What If... The Red Guardian Stopped the Winter Soldier?
- 1.4 What If... The Emergence Destroyed the Earth?
- 1.5 What If... 1872?
- 1.6 What If... 1872? (Alligator Loki and Throg)
- 1.7 What If... 1872? (Pirate Crossbones)
- 1.8 What If... 1872? (Show Tune Ultron)
- 1.9 Storm
- 1.10 New Infinity Ultron
- 1.11 Riri Williams Died
What If...? Season Three[]
What If... The Hulk Fought the Mech Avengers?[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
In an attempt to rid himself of Hulk, Bruce Banner overdoses on gamma radiation, although it ends up creating a new entity known as Apex. Apex, along with its Gamma Beasts, launches the Gamma War. The Avengers use Mech-Suits to fight Apex and the Gamma Beasts but are killed off, leaving a new group of people to don mech suits to continue the fight. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Invading Gamma Beasts {{{sig}}}
There are a couple that come to mind to me that could work. Apex Gamma Beasts, Apex Gamma War (or just Gamma War in general I suppose), or Mech-Suit Avenger. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also throw in Mech Avengers which is official as it's in the title of the episode. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma Beast Invasion? Gamma War is going to be the name of the page, and I think the Gamma Beasts themselves is the main feature of the universe, not the mech avengers. -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- You're so right; it slipped my mind that "Gamma War" wouldn't work as the universe page since it would be the name of the war's page. I'm fine with Gamma Beast Invasion; Sam himself does refer to as an invasion in the show. I prefer Gamma Beast Invasion to the Gamma related suggestions I proposed, but I do think Mech Avengers could be just as valid. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 14:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- There's a chance we end up splitting and having a page titled Mech Avengers for the team. -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hm. In that case I suppose the invasion angle works best. I'm okay with Gamma Beast Invasion. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 15:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually wait that's the present events war, so that doesn't work either. Gamma Beast Uprising? The beasts rise up (literally and figuratively) in the present after having previously been beaten. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was originally thinking Mech Avengers and I can understand using it for the team name. However, I would keep the team as "Avengers" and have both old Avengers (Iron Man, Captain America (Steve), Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Thor) and the new Avengers on that page because they are for all intents and purposes meant to be the same team even if not explicitly stated. So Mech Avengers is my go-to. I can live with Gamma Beast Uprising.
Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Guys heared me put why not Go go Avengers o Go go Mech Avengers. Seeing how this episode seems to be a parody/homage to Power Rangers/Super Sentai —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider-Dude2006 (message wall • contribs)
- While that's true, it doesn't describe the main feature of the universe. It would need to be something describing the main thing that makes this universe different, and Go Go Avengers isn't that. -Jessica3801 (talk) 17:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a problem I can come out with others names using the same premised. We have Gamma Beast Fighters, we can used the Mech Avengers concept but adding Mech Avengers Rising or my personal favorite which I hoped it became the official Counter Gamma War Squad or just Counter Gamma Squad> I think the last one shows first the main thing that makes this universe different the Avengers became a "Super Sentai/Power Rangers" team in order to counter the Gamma Beast in a Gamma War. It also similar to Power Rangers the story ends with the heroes dying or retiring and a new group of heroes taking off where they left off. We have a similar name before with the Emergence Response Suit Team universe. Counter Gamma Beast Squad could be also be as valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider-Dude2006 (message wall • contribs)
- The Avengers aren’t the main difference here. The main difference is the presence of Apex and the Gamma Beasts. The avengers assembling to fight them is a consequence of that. Emergence Response Suit Team is different because that is the main feature, it’s the player characters. We need a name focusing on the Gamma Beasts and Apex invading, hence the suggestion Gamma Beast Uprising. The Mech Avengers aren’t a squad, they’re a team. Let’s please focus on the gamma beasts, the main difference. -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma Beast Uprising is fine. I think Gamma-Radiated Beasts might just be better. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree if the beasts existed prior to Bruce's experiment. These aren't beasts that were irradiated, they were spawned as gamma beasts. -Jessica3801 (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I see. In my opinion though it does not really matter, but I understand if it does for others. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- It'd be Gamma-Irradiated Beasts, Raff. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree if the beasts existed prior to Bruce's experiment. These aren't beasts that were irradiated, they were spawned as gamma beasts. -Jessica3801 (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- While you can say the gamma beasts are the main difference, Jessica, I think it's still fine for people to focus on the Mech Avengers and propose names surrounding it. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma Beast Uprising is fine. I think Gamma-Radiated Beasts might just be better. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Avengers aren’t the main difference here. The main difference is the presence of Apex and the Gamma Beasts. The avengers assembling to fight them is a consequence of that. Emergence Response Suit Team is different because that is the main feature, it’s the player characters. We need a name focusing on the Gamma Beasts and Apex invading, hence the suggestion Gamma Beast Uprising. The Mech Avengers aren’t a squad, they’re a team. Let’s please focus on the gamma beasts, the main difference. -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a problem I can come out with others names using the same premised. We have Gamma Beast Fighters, we can used the Mech Avengers concept but adding Mech Avengers Rising or my personal favorite which I hoped it became the official Counter Gamma War Squad or just Counter Gamma Squad> I think the last one shows first the main thing that makes this universe different the Avengers became a "Super Sentai/Power Rangers" team in order to counter the Gamma Beast in a Gamma War. It also similar to Power Rangers the story ends with the heroes dying or retiring and a new group of heroes taking off where they left off. We have a similar name before with the Emergence Response Suit Team universe. Counter Gamma Beast Squad could be also be as valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider-Dude2006 (message wall • contribs)
- While that's true, it doesn't describe the main feature of the universe. It would need to be something describing the main thing that makes this universe different, and Go Go Avengers isn't that. -Jessica3801 (talk) 17:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Guys heared me put why not Go go Avengers o Go go Mech Avengers. Seeing how this episode seems to be a parody/homage to Power Rangers/Super Sentai —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider-Dude2006 (message wall • contribs)
- I was originally thinking Mech Avengers and I can understand using it for the team name. However, I would keep the team as "Avengers" and have both old Avengers (Iron Man, Captain America (Steve), Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Thor) and the new Avengers on that page because they are for all intents and purposes meant to be the same team even if not explicitly stated. So Mech Avengers is my go-to. I can live with Gamma Beast Uprising.
- Actually wait that's the present events war, so that doesn't work either. Gamma Beast Uprising? The beasts rise up (literally and figuratively) in the present after having previously been beaten. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hm. In that case I suppose the invasion angle works best. I'm okay with Gamma Beast Invasion. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 15:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- There's a chance we end up splitting and having a page titled Mech Avengers for the team. -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- You're so right; it slipped my mind that "Gamma War" wouldn't work as the universe page since it would be the name of the war's page. I'm fine with Gamma Beast Invasion; Sam himself does refer to as an invasion in the show. I prefer Gamma Beast Invasion to the Gamma related suggestions I proposed, but I do think Mech Avengers could be just as valid. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 14:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma Beast Invasion? Gamma War is going to be the name of the page, and I think the Gamma Beasts themselves is the main feature of the universe, not the mech avengers. -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, so it seems like the choices may be narrowed down to Gamma Beast Uprising, Mech Avengers (if the team pages aren't split or used as a redirect), Gamma Beast Invasion and maybe Gamma-Irradiated Beasts? Personally not a big fan of the latter; I don't think it quite encapsulates the episode in question. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Gamma Beast Uprising sounds cool, it does capture the essence of the events literally and figuratively. MalchonC (talk) 05:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed Jessica3801 (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I really like Apex Gamma War but I'd be fine with Gamma Beast Uprising, although it does sound similar to Gamma Beast Invasion which is already a page. Fish Master 41 (talk) 02:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, uprising refers to "a violent or non-violent act of opposition by a group of people in a specific area of a country against those in power." So while it works for Hydra Uprising, as they were violently opposing S.H.I.E.L.D.'s power, I don't think it quite applies literally to the Gamma Beasts. And Apex Gamma War may be considered too similar to the "Gamma War" event page. So I think I'll support Gamma Beast Invasion. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is the name of the war. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 04:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- If "Apex Gamma War" is the name of the war, then "Gamma War" is open, no? I thought "Gamma War" was the claimed one. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 04:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma War is the war from the past events, Gamma Beast Invasion is the war from the present events. Maybe Invading Gamma Beasts? -Jessica3801 (talk) 06:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification. How about Gamma Beast Attacks? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 07:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would still prefer to use invading honestly because the episode calls it that. But if other prefer Attacks I'd be okay with it. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with Invading then. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 10:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would still prefer to use invading honestly because the episode calls it that. But if other prefer Attacks I'd be okay with it. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification. How about Gamma Beast Attacks? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 07:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gamma War is the war from the past events, Gamma Beast Invasion is the war from the present events. Maybe Invading Gamma Beasts? -Jessica3801 (talk) 06:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- If "Apex Gamma War" is the name of the war, then "Gamma War" is open, no? I thought "Gamma War" was the claimed one. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 04:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is the name of the war. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 04:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed Jessica3801 (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Gamma Beast Uprising sounds cool, it does capture the essence of the events literally and figuratively. MalchonC (talk) 05:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think the name Mech Avengers is a good name for the timeline, however if there are any issues with the group name, may I suggest the names Mech Assembled, Gamma Invasion, or Gamma Beast Hulk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bramble321 (message wall • contribs) 22:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
To go with a name using language officially in the episode, we'll go with Invading Gamma Beasts. -Jessica3801 (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... Agatha Went to Hollywood?[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
Agatha Harkness joins Hollywood and soon is able to use her status to siphon powers from the Eternals, making Kingo the Prime Eternal. Kingo and Agatha decide to work together in an agreement for Agatha to release the kidnapped Eternals. Once Agatha kills Tiamut, she becomes an all-powerful, Celestial-like being. Arishem then comes to Earth and Agatha kills him. Howard Stark's movie is made as he filmed the whole thing. However, the other Celestials show up to stop Agatha. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness {{{sig}}}
Celestial Starlet Agatha Harkness. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 14:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also throw in Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness (name of the movie + what Howard calls her). The name also sort of fits her status at the end of the episode, as a Cosmic being. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 15:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Cosmic Queen is the better option out of these. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. -Jessica3801 (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I’d like to throw in the suggestion of Celestial Blockbuster. -RoachTheIntelCollector (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I actually like this a lot more. It’s concise, describes the whole plot of the episode and the four main characters’ relationships to it, and it’s unique. Jessica3801 (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness is far from bad but I love Celestial Blockbuster. - DemKnux (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Celestial-Powered Agatha Harkness could also work. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 02:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness is far from bad but I love Celestial Blockbuster. - DemKnux (talk) 02:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Personally not too keen on Celestial Blockbuster as a universe or designation name, but it is creative! • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 03:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I actually like this a lot more. It’s concise, describes the whole plot of the episode and the four main characters’ relationships to it, and it’s unique. Jessica3801 (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness is very direct and clear, I support this very much. MalchonC (talk) 10:34, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Cosmic Queen is the better option out of these. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- So that's three for Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness and three for Celestial Blockbuster. I think it's safe to narrow it down to these two choices for other people to decide from, unless someone has another name they'd like to propose. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 10:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness or Cosmic Agatha Harkness to make it shorter, but if no one likes the latter, I'm absolutely fine with the former. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 18:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, yes, I like Cosmic Agatha Harkness even more, it's more concise, and though one can argue that "Cosmic Queen" is an in-universe title, having the "queen" still sounds subjective. "Cosmic" is exactly what the Agatha from this universe has ascended to objectively. MalchonC (talk) 18:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do prefer Cosmic Queen but I'm fine with just Cosmic. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the above statement, Cosmic Queen makes more sense in this regard. Brambleheart ♥I've come to bargain!♫ 22:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, yes, I like Cosmic Agatha Harkness even more, it's more concise, and though one can argue that "Cosmic Queen" is an in-universe title, having the "queen" still sounds subjective. "Cosmic" is exactly what the Agatha from this universe has ascended to objectively. MalchonC (talk) 18:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer Cosmic Queen Agatha Harkness or Cosmic Agatha Harkness to make it shorter, but if no one likes the latter, I'm absolutely fine with the former. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 18:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... The Red Guardian Stopped the Winter Soldier?[]
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Alexei Shostakov prevents Bucky Barnes from killing Howard and Maria Stark, leading the two to become fugitives from the law and the super soldier serum to be destroyed. They are pursued by S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Bill Foster and Ranger Morales, and Bucky is ultimately returned to HYDRA while Alexei becomes an Avenger. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Stark Assassination Prevented {{{sig}}}
The part of the difference here that should be focused on is the prevention of the assassination and the two becoming fugitives. For that, I propose Stark Assassination Prevented -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm cool with that. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 09:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's straightforward. Brambleheart ♥I've come to bargain!♫ 22:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... The Emergence Destroyed the Earth?[]
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The Emergence destroys the Earth, allowing Mysterio to rise up and take control while using White Vision. Having killed Vision, Ironheart fuses herself with the synthezoid and becomes able to see what is an illusion and what is not. Eventually, Mysterio kills the surviving heroes. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:23, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Emergence Destroyed Earth {{{sig}}}
I'd go with Synthezoid-Fusion Ironheart. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Since policy says "If the Alternate Universe in question is a branch of the Sacred Timeline, then its differentiative should be about the diverging incident that separated it from the history of the main MCU reality.", I still think it should be focused on the Emergence destroying the Earth. What about Successful Emergence, you know, like Successful Secret Invasion Universe? MalchonC (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- This universe is not a branch off of the Sacred Timeline. It does not need to be the thing that diverges it. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 18:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree though that the main difference should be the Emergence destroying the Earth. The episode is about the world after the Emergence, Riri is fusing with Vision is just a result of that which happens about halfway through the episode. That said, I don't think "successful" is an accurate term to use, given it didn't involve a group or person with a goal. Maybe Emerged Tiamut? -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about Tiamut Emergence Fulfilled or Tiamut Emergence Completed? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like Tiamut Emergence Completed. Marks a clear difference between this Emergence and the main universe's partial emergence. -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if this is not considered a branch off of the Sacred Timeline, and (I think) the newborn Celestial is not mentioned by name in the episode, I'd hesitate to use "Tiamut" directly. MalchonC (talk) 03:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think conjecture can be used to say that it's Tiamut instead of just "Celestial Emergence Completed". Especially because there are other planets in the main timeline where a Celestial Emergence was successfully completed. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about Tiamut Emergence Fulfilled or Tiamut Emergence Completed? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree though that the main difference should be the Emergence destroying the Earth. The episode is about the world after the Emergence, Riri is fusing with Vision is just a result of that which happens about halfway through the episode. That said, I don't think "successful" is an accurate term to use, given it didn't involve a group or person with a goal. Maybe Emerged Tiamut? -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- This universe is not a branch off of the Sacred Timeline. It does not need to be the thing that diverges it. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 18:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Another possible name I'd like to float out there is Uatu-Interfered Celestial Emergence. Since out of the other timelines, this is the one where Uatu interfered to change the outcome of history. The interference is what separates it from the other timelines where Tiamut successfully emerged and Quentin Beck started the Federation, regardless of whether we'll have pages for those realities or not. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- If that’s the direction we go, Uatu didn’t interfere with the Emergence, but rather with the fight where Riri traditionally dies. It would be something like Riri Williams Saved or Hope-Given Riri Williams. Personally though, I’d still rather a name focusing on the Emergence, which is the main difference of the episode. -Jessica3801 (talk) 13:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about Uatu-Inspired Riri Williams? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 14:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- If that’s the direction we go, Uatu didn’t interfere with the Emergence, but rather with the fight where Riri traditionally dies. It would be something like Riri Williams Saved or Hope-Given Riri Williams. Personally though, I’d still rather a name focusing on the Emergence, which is the main difference of the episode. -Jessica3801 (talk) 13:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps Mysterio's World or Tiamut Emerged? Brambleheart ♥I've come to bargain!♫ 03:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Mysterio's World would not work as a universe designation. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to throw Emergence Destroyed Earth out there. It's words pulled directly from the episode title. I'm aware we already have the Destroyed Earth Universe from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which may have to be renamed slightly but I still think it is the best name for what we have here. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 04:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Emergence Destroyed Earth I wouldn't mind. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Me neither. I've used that in my image uploads for this episode, actually, so it works. But this would apply to what, the universe where Riri died or the primary one? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The primary one. If we're making a page for the one where Riri died, the differentiative would focus on that. The seen universe is the main one that deserves the designation. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm cool with Emergence Destroyed Earth then. And if we make one for the one where Riri died, Despair Surrendering Ironheart maybe? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The primary one. If we're making a page for the one where Riri died, the differentiative would focus on that. The seen universe is the main one that deserves the designation. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Me neither. I've used that in my image uploads for this episode, actually, so it works. But this would apply to what, the universe where Riri died or the primary one? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Emergence Destroyed Earth I wouldn't mind. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... 1872?[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
In the 1860s, Xialing immigrates to America. In the year 1872, Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop are in the old west. Shang-Chi has become a staple of heroism and fights to stop the Hood from taking towns hostage through hypnotism with the help of Sonny Burch. Shang-Chi later finds out that Hood is his sister, who killed the previous Hood. She plans on "saving" the people, but Shang-Chi could argue she is actually enslaving them. Along the way, Shang-Chi and Bishop help a young child, Kwai Jun-Fan, find his father. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Wild West Heroes {{{sig}}}
If we want to go off something that seems to be the diverging thing, then Immigrant Xialing would be best. However, I prefer something like Cowboy Shang-Chi. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The main difference is that the heroes exist in the Wild West. Wild Western Superheroes? -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wild West Warriors? It's alliterative. Or American Frontier Superheroes if we want to use the formal name for the Wild West. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 22:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- With some thinking, they're not really superheroes. Characters we know of exist, but they're not heroes really, so I'm not sure if we should go with anything "Superheroes". • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wild West Warriors? It's alliterative. Or American Frontier Superheroes if we want to use the formal name for the Wild West. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 22:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wild West Heroes sounds more compact in my opinion Brambleheart talk 03:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like this one. It's concise and accurate. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's short enough for my liking. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I’m good with Wild West Heroes. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's short enough for my liking. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Make it Wild Western Heroes and I'm in. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like this one. It's concise and accurate. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... 1872? (Alligator Loki and Throg)[]
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Loki is an Alligator and Thor is a Frog. They fight each other. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Animal Asgardian {{{sig}}}
I think that the only option really is the placeholder of Animal Asgardians. The plural gives it just enough so it doesn't correspond to Alligator Loki or Throg from previous. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me Brambleheart Talk 03:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... 1872? (Pirate Crossbones)[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
Crossbones is a pirate. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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Naming[]
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- Pirate Crossbones {{{sig}}}
The current placeholder of Pirate Crossbones is good. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The current placeholder of Pirate Crossbones fits the best. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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What If... 1872? (Show Tune Ultron)[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
Ultron is programmed for show tunes. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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Naming[]
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- Showman Ultron {{{sig}}}
Show Tune-Programmed Ultron. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Performer Ultron? It's shorter, and we do see visually that he performs. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about Showman Ultron? Brambleheart (talk) 03:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably the best so far. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with Showman Ultron. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Showman Ultron works for me. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like it. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Showman Ultron works for me. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with Showman Ultron. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably the best so far. -Jessica3801 (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Storm[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
Storm is entrusted with the power of Mjolnir by Asgard. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Naming[]
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- Mjølnir-Wielding Storm {{{sig}}}
The placeholder Mjølnir-Wielding Storm is fine in my opinion. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 09:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I also agree with the current placeholder of Mjølnir-Wielding Storm. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 20:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to throw in Goddess Storm. It's shorter and doesn't apply to any other universes. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think the Mjolnir one fits better. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with Raff. -Jessica3801 (talk) 03:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree as well. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 11:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed with Raff. -Jessica3801 (talk) 03:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Why not Goddess of Thunder Storm? - Hi. So how are you guys? (talk) 05:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- She has been called a Goddess in many other universes so I disagree. -DavisRanger (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
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New Infinity Ultron[]
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- Identified {{{sig}}}
Eons after his establishment of piece, Infinity Ultron gets approached by Captain Carter from the Super Soldier Peggy Carter Universe, asking for help accessing the Fifth Dimension. The Eminence then appears and abducts Peggy, leading Ultron to reflect on the meaning of peace and decide to help Peggy's allies get to the Fifth Dimension to rescue her. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Naming[]
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- Reflective Infinity Ultron {{{sig}}}
Ultron makes it very clear he does not view himself as redeemable, so I'd avoid mentioning redemption or describing him as heroic. Maybe something like Introspective Infinity Ultron? He is introspective in the sense that he really becomes different when he reflects on the peace he created. -Jessica3801 (talk) 08:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thats probably fine. I was thinking about a name to show that he could not see the Watcher, and that is the difference between this and the other Ultron. Something like "Cosmic Unawareness Infinity Ultron", but a better name. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would go with Reformed Infinity Ultron personally. The big difference here is had time to reflect compared to OG Infinity Ultron and realized the error in his ways. That said, I would hold off on naming this universe entirely until we see the final episode as for all we know, he could be lying.
Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The decision wouldn't have been made before then, but yeah. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Even if he's not lying, I would avoid saying he's reformed, it means the same as redeemed. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The decision wouldn't have been made before then, but yeah. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- How about... Eonic Solitude Infinity Ultron. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 19:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- That applies to a lot of Ultrons though. This Ultron is unique because he reflected. -Jessica3801 (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- He says he regrets killing all of life, so Regretful Infinity Ultron, Guilty Infinity Ultron, Repentant Infinity Ultron can all work. He's also the only Infinity Ultron that reflected, so Reflective Infinity Ultron works as well. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would go with Reformed Infinity Ultron personally. The big difference here is had time to reflect compared to OG Infinity Ultron and realized the error in his ways. That said, I would hold off on naming this universe entirely until we see the final episode as for all we know, he could be lying.
- Having seen the finale, I'd like to suggest Self-Sacrificing Infinity Ultron. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 12:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Having seen the finale as well, I still feel Reformed Infinity Ultron is more fitting as the definition of reformed is "having been changed in such a way as to be improved" which this Ultron has. If we don't go with it, I'm fine with Logan's suggestion above (Self-Sacrificing Infinity Ultron).
Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 14:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd still rather something about his episode 7 arc given that happens in that universe rather than something he did outside of it. That said, "Reformed" still has the issue of describing him as if he has been redeemed, which the show specifically tells us is not the case. If we don't want "Introspective," then it should be something about the fact that he reflected on the meaning of peace and realized that he was wrong. -Jessica3801 (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Which is why I suggested Reflective Infinity Ultron. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 22:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd still rather something about his episode 7 arc given that happens in that universe rather than something he did outside of it. That said, "Reformed" still has the issue of describing him as if he has been redeemed, which the show specifically tells us is not the case. If we don't want "Introspective," then it should be something about the fact that he reflected on the meaning of peace and realized that he was wrong. -Jessica3801 (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the thing I am not exactly fond of about Self-Sacrificing Infinity Ultron is that it happens outside of his universe. I think the name should be something that happened inside instead. I think Regretful Infinity Ultron works, because he began regretting his actions while staying in his world. - Hi. So how are you guys? (talk) 13:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Having seen the finale as well, I still feel Reformed Infinity Ultron is more fitting as the definition of reformed is "having been changed in such a way as to be improved" which this Ultron has. If we don't go with it, I'm fine with Logan's suggestion above (Self-Sacrificing Infinity Ultron).
Out of all the ones that have been proposed, I think Reflective Infinity Ultron is the most fitting. The main feature of events that happen in the universe are that Ultron reflects on his actions, most other things are things that happen outside of his universe. Thoughts on this as a name? -
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- I'm fine with Reflective. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:01, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm good with Reflective Infinity Ultron as well. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 21:58, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
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Riri Williams Died[]
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Riri Williams loses hope upon discovering that her allies have all been killed, making her unable to stand up to Quentin Beck any longer. Beck absorbs Riri's synthetic parts into Vision, killing Riri. -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Naming[]
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- Hybrid Ironheart Killed {{{sig}}}
Synthezoid Fusion Riri Williams Killed? -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's a mouthful. Human-Synthezoid Ironheart Killed? • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 20:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think Hybrid Ironheart Killed would be better. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ironheart Killed, since no other variants have been killed. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also, if we wanted to focus on the fact that she lost hope and that Beck won, we can say Hopeless Ironheart, Unpersevering Ironheart, or Victorious Quentin Beck. Kdep in mind that the civilian names can be swapped out for codenames and vice-versa. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 21:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with "Ironheart Killed" is that it could come up at any other point. Having the qualifier prevents it from being duplicated. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like Hopeless Ironheart personally. - DemKnux (talk) 11:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to suggest using Despair instead of "Hopeless" only because "hopeless" can also be interpreted as "inadequate". So Despairing Ironheart or Despair-Filled Ironheart. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 11:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Despondent Ironheart sounds better than the other two. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 22:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think if we focus on the emotion too much, it'll be more easily replicated. Feeling despair and despondent are things that are part of any classic hero's journey. I'd rather have something saying that she was killed. Personally the best one that's been proposed is Hybrid Ironheart Killed. Do we agree? -
Jessica3801 💕💕🏳️⚧️ | Message Wall • Contributions 05:50, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- At this point, exactly a month later, sure. If just to close the discussion, since I doubt we're all eager to be championing for names again after a month. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 13:03, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's very concise and very likely to stay unique, I support it very much. MalchonC (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hybrid Ironheart Killed works for me. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- That name is good with me. - GarrettSMW | Message Wall • Contributions 23:56, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think if we focus on the emotion too much, it'll be more easily replicated. Feeling despair and despondent are things that are part of any classic hero's journey. I'd rather have something saying that she was killed. Personally the best one that's been proposed is Hybrid Ironheart Killed. Do we agree? -
- Despondent Ironheart sounds better than the other two. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 22:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd like to suggest using Despair instead of "Hopeless" only because "hopeless" can also be interpreted as "inadequate". So Despairing Ironheart or Despair-Filled Ironheart. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 11:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I like Hopeless Ironheart personally. - DemKnux (talk) 11:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with "Ironheart Killed" is that it could come up at any other point. Having the qualifier prevents it from being duplicated. -Jessica3801 (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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