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Contents
- 1 Category:Heroes
- 2 Category:Villains
- 3 Lamp of Icthalon
- 4 Black Knight's Helmet
- 5 Sallie Cowan
- 6 Tony Nevada
- 7 Infiltration into the Wizard CEO Party
- 8 Venom/Osborn Mentored Spider-Man
- 9 Bruce Banner Manhunt/Avengers Assassinated
- 10 Kylosians
- 11 Reb Brown
- 12 Amelia Hopkins
- 13 Helstrom (disambiguation)
- 14 I Am Groot (disambiguation)
- 15 Mary Gail Artz
- 16 Dijyen and Irellis
Category:Heroes[]
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Do you think the Heroes category is necessary? -BlindmelonKen 21:49, August 22, 2012 (UTC)BlindmelonKen
- If we delete it, we'll have to delete the Villains category too. --UskokHail HYDRA! 22:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
- So you don't mind the Heroes category being added to the hero characters? --BlindmelonKen 22:51, August 22, 2012 (UTC)BlindmelonKen
Not all heroes are part of The Avengers. New Captain (talk • contribs • count) 08:06, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Villains[]
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I think this category should be renamed to "Antagonists" as villains is a much less broad term - E-Scope04 (talk) 23:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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Lamp of Icthalon[]
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From what I can tell, the Lamp of Icthalon only seems to appear in concept art for Doctor Strange rather than in the actual film itself or in any sort of promotional or reference material around the film. I'm not sure about the policy regarding creating pages for objects only seen in concept art, but I'm not sure if this relic is deserving of a page if it doesn't actually appear in anything relating to the MCU. Please let me know if I'm missing something regarding this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Logo8th (message wall • contribs)
- I agree. I don't think it makes sense to make pages for items that only appear in concept art. Criszz (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Based on recent updates on the talk page for Black Knight's Helmet, the content of this page would also need to be addressed in the same manner, as it is also based on an item that only seems to appear in concept art for a film rather than actually in the film itself. I'll admit there's a chance it is in the film and I just can't find where it is, but until that can be proven, I don't think this page should be kept on this wiki. If this page is removed, the page for Icthalon would also have to be removed as well, as this relic is the only reference to that Mystic Entity's existence in the MCU as of yet. Logo8th (talk) 02:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- We're aware. It'll be deleted soon, once the Policy is amended. •
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Black Knight's Helmet[]
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Page kept
Post-Archive Admin Addendeum: Verdict overruled. {{{sig}}}
From what I can tell, the Black Knight's Helmet only seems to appear in concept art for Doctor Strange rather than in the actual film itself or in any sort of promotional or reference material around the film, similar to the Lamp of Icthalon. I'm not sure about the policy regarding creating pages for objects only seen in concept art, but I'm not sure if this relic is deserving of a page if it doesn't actually appear in anything relating to the MCU. Please let me know if I'm missing something regarding this. Logo8th (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- While your comment was archived without a response, with the "resolution" being "Page kept" because the former bureaucrat couldn't be bothered to leave an actual response, as current bureaucrat I would like to say that the verdict has been overturned and that the page is internally marked for deletion. However, we will ensure that this is codeified in the Article Creation Policy before moving ahead with the page deletion. •
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Sallie Cowan[]
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There were no S.H.I.E.L.D. agents in Captain America: Civil War, so it would make no sense for her to be credited as such. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:43, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah I'm in favor of this. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 14:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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Tony Nevada[]
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Are we sure this is accurate? SWAT does not appear in Iron Man 2. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Revisiting this, it is a more interesting situation then I first laid out because IMDb lists him as in the movie under that name despite SWAT not showing up. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Infiltration into the Wizard CEO Party[]
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Does this part of the episode really require to be taken into consideration into an Event article? I get the initial intention, but I really don't think that this should be put on the same level as other Runaways' missions.To compare with other Events articles with similar settings (protagonists attending a party), it is not really like the Infiltration into Wizard Headquarters (during which the Runaways - who have all been invited - are actively moving against PRIDE by trying to steal a file), Escape from The Krazy Kanoe (during which S.H.I.E.L.D. are actually and actively confronted by the Chronicom Hunters);; or the Infiltration into Lynn & Tad's Wedding (for which Tandy Bowen and Liam Walsh have a precise objective - stealing money - and use fake identities).
The word "Infiltration" does not seem really adapted (both Nico and Gert get a formal invite to the party). What the Runaways do during this party is more trying to find some information (but have no precise idea of what they are looking for, they do not plan on stealing something for example). Plenty of these situations occur in the MCU, and I don't think that they are granted with an article. If anything, it is rather Tina who infiltrates into the party and gets committed in a psychiatric hospital as a result, and it is this course of actions that could be worthy of an article instead of the Runaways (who don't do much during the gala anyway)...
From the Runaways' POV, it seems to me that the description of the events in their respective biographies is more than enough.
Any thoughts on this? TraceFinder (talk) 17:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. I don't think this event is necessary at all to get its own page. Criszz (talk) 09:25, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- After rewatching the scenes, I would say this is not necessary. There are no real events during the event either. le Fay finds Dean snooping, but nothing comes of it. Tina gets mad but that is over quick. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Venom/Osborn Mentored Spider-Man[]
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I don't believe there is enough confirmation to call this character Venom. Yes, the source says Venom attacks, but many other sources say that a symbiote attacked, leaving out if it's Venom. Some say it looks like Venom; however, if it was confirmed, they would have said it was Venom and not a symbiote that looked like Venom, so I say that the source used here should not be used as confirmation. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Bruce Banner Manhunt/Avengers Assassinated[]
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According to The Art of What If...? Volume One, the US military is sent to capture Black Widow, not Hulk, making the battle depicted in the episode not apart of the Bruce Banner Manhunt. - DemKnux (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like the episode doesn't support this, as the episode bases it around them being there for Banner, like how events transpired in The Incredible Hulk. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- That and the fact that he's hiding in the closet mean they are definitely there for him. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 15:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Logan and Garrett. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- That and the fact that he's hiding in the closet mean they are definitely there for him. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 15:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Kylosians[]
Name Canonicity[]
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The use of the name "Kylosian" for MCU Drax's species appears to be entirely apocryphal. An investigation by several users on Discord revealed that the name does not appear in the The Art of Guardians of the Galaxy, which this article uses as the main reference. The book only contains the mention of Mount Kylos, and even that is not original but a quote from the Deleted Scene, which in no way implies the name "Kylos" for the planet or its inhabitants.
The planet Kylos did appear in the 2017 Telltale "Guardians of the Galaxy" video game, but that is in no way canon to the MCU. In fact, the first verified appearance of the name "Kylosian" online comes from a fanfiction that extrapolated it from that game in the first place.
Since there are no official sources that name Drax's planet or species within the MCU, this page should be either deleted or renamed to exclude all fan-made names. HBK123 (talk) 09:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Drax's species is a concept from the MCU franchise and therefore, subject to be covered in this wiki. As you've been explained countless times, Conjecture Policy allows to take the name for that concept from Marvel media outside the franchise, in order to give a name to its article, without the need of it being spoon-fed by Marvel Studios. Given that Kylos is officially confirmed to be the name of the character's planet in a videogame, together with the mention of a Mt. Kylos in the official artbook for the movie, makes this a conjecture-compliant option.
The proposed deletion of content related to the franchise is, of course, out of the question.
Thank you for the information about the planet Katath, we'll make sure to add it as Trivia if needed.--Shabook (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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Name: Folie à Deux[]
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As stated above, the name "Kylosian" originated in a fanfiction of all places and does not appear in any official Marvel sources (including the 2017 Telltale game, as far as I can tell). The name "Kathathian" however is directly used in its source as Drax's species name, seen here. If a conjecture has to be made, then "Kathathian" would be more accurate name, as it actually comes from Marvel, and not the user Alverrann of fanfiction.net. HBK123 (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with "Katathian". I will first ensure that the "Kylosian" example isn't codeified in the Conjecture Policy. I'll also leave this talk page open for a week to allow anyone else to chime in; should no one do so or should the edit not be contested, it will be treated as consensus if the two of us are in favor of using "Katathian" as the conjectural name. The only possible point of contention is that we tend to derive conjecture from sources pre-release of said MCU instalment, and Katathian came years after. But if there are no other names (and since MCU Drax is clearly not Arthur Douglas)... •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 15:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am not okay with using Kathathian or Kylosian. His race should remain a mystery. I am not a fan at all of using conjecture for things that came after the characters debut in the MCU because conjecture is supposed to connect to what the writers are thinking. (e.g.: the writers obviously mean to be using Grandmaster which means his name is En Dwi Gast). When they created Drax for the MCU, they had no intention of him being Kathathian because that did not exist. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 16:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Discussion for this topic will be left open and put to a vote once our Conjecture Policy is revamped, but I wanted to note that the name Kylosian is not as speculative as the person who opened this discussion made it seem. Here is the full situation, using only information from official Marvel media and the wiki:
- In 2014, the Guardians of the Galaxy movie releases and gives zero indication of the name of Drax’s species. I don’t know what’s up with the art book. However, Drax does refer to “Mount Kylos” being a place he went with his daughter in a deleted scene. In a trailer, Drax’s species is listed as “UNKNOWN” by the Nova Corps
- In 2017, Telltale releases the video game Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy: The Telltale Series, a non-MCU video game that uses Drax being an alien (rather than in the comics where he’s human but weird) and lists his home planet as Kylos
- In 2020, former administrator Shabook creates the page Kylosians on the wiki, citing the art book as the title. This is conjecture based on the Telltale game which is 100% allowed and in line with policy, aside from the fact that it extrapolates a species name using English conventions
- In 2021, the video game Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy releases, in which Drax’s species is referred to as “Katatahians”
- In 2024, HBK notices the page and asks for a source, seeing it originates from a fan fiction without official comment from Marvel and saying that we should not be naming Drax’s species based on the 2017 video game since it’s not MCU. This leads to discussions about it.
Drax's species should have a page, and the page needs a name. Referring to Kylos as the home planet is the least speculative option for the planet itself, the question becomes that of the species name. Personally, I am okay with Kylosians remaining. -Jessica3801 (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- My point of contention here is that I don't think we should be using the Telltale game as a conjectural source, and even if we were to take Kylos being his home planet via conjecture, the name "Kylosian" is not uttered anywhere; rather, it is a name unofficially being generated for a person of Kylos when for all we know they could be "Kylosers" or 'Kyloses". But yes, we shall put it a vote once the Conjecture Policy is amended to prevent such broad applications and allows for things to be voted on. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 16:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree having Kylos as the planet and Katatahians as the species makes the most sense. (as a side note Conjecture Policy should be expanded to other article types so situations like this are more clear) DavisRanger (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would be the worst option, in my opinion. If the species is Kathathian, I would expect the planet to be Kathath as well. Per strictly MCU sources, Kylos is only ever a mountain. I don't think it's reasonable for planet Kylos to also have a Mount Kylos on it. HBK123 (talk) 17:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean I wouldn't expect the state New York to have a city called New York City but here we are. And isn't it odd that Humans live on Earth and not planet Hu? -DavisRanger (talk)
- I mean, we are Terrans who live on Terra. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 18:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, we are Terrans who live on Terra. •
- I mean I wouldn't expect the state New York to have a city called New York City but here we are. And isn't it odd that Humans live on Earth and not planet Hu? -DavisRanger (talk)
- That would be the worst option, in my opinion. If the species is Kathathian, I would expect the planet to be Kathath as well. Per strictly MCU sources, Kylos is only ever a mountain. I don't think it's reasonable for planet Kylos to also have a Mount Kylos on it. HBK123 (talk) 17:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree having Kylos as the planet and Katatahians as the species makes the most sense. (as a side note Conjecture Policy should be expanded to other article types so situations like this are more clear) DavisRanger (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Jessica that because of Mount Kylos being explicitly mentioned, lends itself more credence to the planet being Kylos](which has been the name of the planet in other Marvel products) instead of Kathath. I think by extension referring to the species as Kylosians would be the best way to handle it. I'm not even entirely certain "Kathathian" as mentioned in the clip above is even referring to Drax's species at all. Rocket says that the people that captured them let them keep their weapons to which Drax replies "They demonstrate their lack of fear. It is a proven battle tactic. Katathian warriors often ride into battle completely naked.". - Fish Master 41 (Message Wall) 21:21, August 21, 2024 (UTC)
- There is an argument that we should not be using species name we created ourselves. Kylosian is not an official name, even if we use conjecture to say he's from Kylos. There's nothing stating someone from Kylos is a Kylosian. In any case, a vote will be conducted once the Conjecture Policy finishes its review. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 21:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC) - To counter Fish Master 41:
- Kylos has not "been the name of the planet in other Marvel products" other than the Telltale game. In terms of mention frequency, it's a toss-up between Kylos and Katath.
- I only linked that one clip for convinience. The game itself makes it clear that Katath is the planet and Kathathians are the people.
- The existence of Mount Kylos makes the planet name also being Kylos less likely, not more. HBK123 (talk) 21:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Having played the Square Enix Guardians of the Galaxy game, I can confirm that Drax's species is indeed Katathian in that game. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 21:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC) - I will say that Kylos is likely to stay as the planet name. Kylos being a term used in the MCU makes it the better conjecture for our purposes, since there is in-universe justification. Just like Sakaar has Sakaar City, it is better to use the term that is already being applied to the MCU version. -Jessica3801 (talk) 16:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with all of this to be honest. All we know is that Drax's planet has a "Mount Kylos". That is not confirmation towards the name of the planet and is definitely more unlikely for it to be the species based off that. I also do not agree that we should use Kathathians because that came from something following his MCU debut. Like I said above, conjecture should work to fill in the blanks of the writer's beliefs. So if a name came from after they created the character, it should not be used as conjecture. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is an argument that we should not be using species name we created ourselves. Kylosian is not an official name, even if we use conjecture to say he's from Kylos. There's nothing stating someone from Kylos is a Kylosian. In any case, a vote will be conducted once the Conjecture Policy finishes its review. •
- My point of contention here is that I don't think we should be using the Telltale game as a conjectural source, and even if we were to take Kylos being his home planet via conjecture, the name "Kylosian" is not uttered anywhere; rather, it is a name unofficially being generated for a person of Kylos when for all we know they could be "Kylosers" or 'Kyloses". But yes, we shall put it a vote once the Conjecture Policy is amended to prevent such broad applications and allows for things to be voted on. •
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Well, here we are. Time to vote on it. Just to clarify some "ground rules": we are not using Kylosian to refer to his species, because it is a name generated by us. A denizen of Kylos could be called "Kylosers" or "Kylosese" for all we know. If the term "Kylosian" was ever used, then there's a case for using Conjecture and applying it, but that isn't the case, and after the Janice incident, we don't want to have a name coined by us used so broadly it ends up being used in an official capacity and cited back to us. So where does that leave us? A few options.
Option A: We continue to treat Kylos as the name of the planet Drax hails from, since the name was used in a Telltale game where Drax is an alien rather than a human, indicating it's based on MCU Drax and not the human Drax from the comics. However, we will no longer list Drax's species on his page, since the game never mentioned a name for his species. The page currently named as "Kylosians" will be deleted and all instances of "Kylosian" removed across the site. Should we find out a canonical name for his species later, the page can be restored and renamed appropriately. So the planet page will continue to exist, but the species page will be deleted.
Option B: We do not treat Kylos as the name of his home planet. With this option, both Drax's species and citizenship will no longer be listed on his page as we have no name for the planet or the species, and therefore we have nothing to name a page after. The pages "Kylos" and "Kylosians" gets deleted, and should canonical information surface in the future, the page(s) will be restored and rectified appropriately.
Option C: Drax's species and its corresponding page is renamed to "Katathians", using the name from the Square Enix game. However, the planet's page name can be retained as Kylos; as such, the situation will be treated similarily to Halfworld/Counter-Earth, where we have two names for one planet. Just like how the Counter-Earth page states that Halfworld is another name for it, we do the same for Kylos, stating "Katath" is another name for it. Just like how we use the term "Halfworlders" to refer to the citizens of Counter-Earth (the primary name) we use the term "Katathians" to refer to the people of Kylos (the primary name). Or we can also choose to name the planet "Katath" instead, but that can be decided after. This option allows for the species page to exist.
Option A
- I'm here. Kylos is definitely within acceptable conjecture because of the Telltale game. -Jessica3801 (talk) 17:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Option B
- Any other option results in conjecture being used too broadly. It's not even the sort of conjecture where we're using names from comics;
Katath at least can be sourced to a video game inspired by the MCU version (but not based on) butKylos/Kylosian is just us assuming/creating information on our own whim and then using it across the site as if it's canonical information. •
MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 15:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC) - Conjecture is used for the purpose of filling gaps the writers intended. There was no name of his planet when they were creating this version, therefore, no name should be used. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 15:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I’m inclined to feel the same way -
E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 16:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC) - I support this option. Applying conjecture to non-comics material opens up a whole can of worms that we don't need to get into. - DemKnux (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- As expected. HBK123 (talk) 17:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I support Option B. I am not comfortable at all with the planet being named Kylos due to the extremely limited and deliberately ambiguous information presented to us within the franchise about Drax's home planet. I think the solution offered by Option B is the most straightforward and least confusing/speculative of the three options provided, and for those reasons, this has my vote. - Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 19:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Option C
Final Comment
Following a week of voting, it has been decided that Kylosians and Kylos do not fall under conjecture and are thus deleted. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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Reb Brown[]
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Reb Brown is not in The First Avenger. It's hard to find anything definitive, but here's an article where he answers a question about "never being asked to be a part of the multi-billion-dollar Marvel Cinematic Universe". Since he does not say otherwise, I think we can draw the conclusion that he was not asked to be a part of the MCU and is not in this film.
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/pittsburgh/reb-brown-recounts-captain-america-beginnings
Darth Prefect (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- There was no actual concrete evidence to suggest it in the first place, so it is deleted. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 16:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Amelia Hopkins[]
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This character definitely does not fit grounds for conjecture in my opinion. She has only four comics appearances, so she is minor. The only connection is that she knows She-Hulk, which in her point in time is not even Jennifer Walters. Even so, this woman is a fan of Titania, not Jennifer. Having pink hair is in no way telling conjecture. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 04:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ditto Raff’s response. False/improper use of conjecture.
Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions 05:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- While I will say the two characters look similar, it's definitely not enough to invoke conjecture. This one really confused me when the page was made. -Jessica3801 (talk) 05:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely a case of false and/or improperly applied conjecture from the previous administration's era. No proof or good enough conjecture to say this is Amelia Hopkins. • MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions 05:25, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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Helstrom (disambiguation)[]
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- It still requires a disambiguation. - 19:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
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Helstrom (Original Series Soundtrack)'s actual title, just like most other soundtrack pages, seems to be its full form including the parentheses, which makes it different from Helstrom. So I propose the deletion of this disambiguation page, since we don't make disambiguation pages (or don't include the soundtrack page in the disambiguation page) for other similar cases. MalchonC (talk) 05:39, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Those other cases should have disambiguations. That aside, please use Category talk:Candidates for deletion when proposing deletions next time. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 03:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- I see. Then I'll create disambiguation pages for others if it's OK. MalchonC (talk) 05:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
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I Am Groot (disambiguation)[]
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- Page Restored - Fish Master 41 (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
Later deleted again with conclusion to a disambiguation limit proposal. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 00:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC) {{{sig}}}
This page was deleted, but I'm not sure why, as I Am Groot does share the title with I Am Groot (soundtrack). Could the page be restored? MalchonC (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- Page is valid and will be restored. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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Mary Gail Artz[]
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- Deleted. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:43, 22 August 2025 (UTC) {{{sig}}}
Was she really working on casting? Only one news repot suggests her, she's absent on movie credits and on IMDb credits Gevorg89 (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is no proven source. So it has been deleted. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:43, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
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Dijyen and Irellis[]
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- Deleted. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 16:47, 12 November 2025 (UTC) {{{sig}}}
I do not believe these pages should exist. They are conjecture based off of Flint's parents. However, in the comics, they are Jaycen's parents. Flint is merely based on Jaycen and is not him. Therefore, conjecture should have never been applied and the pages should not have been created. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:29, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- If that information is indeed accurate then I agree that those names should not have been conjecturally applied. • MJLogan95 • Message Wall • Contributions 21:32, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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