In this thread we will discuss the timeline of future MCU installments, TV series and movies, including Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S7 and Helstrom. It is a continuation of Part 13, once the limit is reached.
In this thread we will discuss the timeline of future MCU installments, TV series and movies, including Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S7 and Helstrom. It is a continuation of Part 13, once the limit is reached.
I'm curious if the next President shown in the MCU will be a new character like Ellis or will they insert a name character from the comics and/or who has been President, too.
Also nothing to do with the President debate well sort of but I don't think this Daily Bugle information added. It's minor but the Prime Minister is asking for the President to pay up for damages Spider-Man supposedly inflicted. Not going to debate who's in charge in the UK.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVr-J1ZPYOU
EDIT: Nevermind noticed it's part of the Daily Bugle page but not considered important to deal with for 2024's date.
Brett3801 wrote: Hey all! There was a new scene on Instagram today featuring the song "Don't You (Forget About Me)" by Simple Minds in-universe (I think, it stops once Deke hits the thing and Coulson appears), which was released in 1985. It seems like the bulk of The Totally Excellent Adventures of Mack and the D might be after that. Like, they'll do a little bit with Deke and Mack immediately after the Zephyr leaves and do a "three years later" title card (hence Mack's beard and Deke's slightly increased ruggedness, both of which are hilarious to me, especially when juxtaposed). Just thought I'd bring it up.
I assumed it was an in-universe fake beard but maybe not.😂
Steve993 wrote: This might seem like a random question to ask and have nothing to do with anything but since America has an election going on this year and I realise the MCU is ahead now a few years but will they ever feature Ellis's replacement at some point in the MCU?
Taking out Trump having won in real life I doubt the MCU would have that in the films if anything they'd have a stand in type character but even then we're in the future now anything could have happened in the intervening years and that's taking the MCU's weird election dates.
Some people have given the theory maybe Ellis was the Vice-President instead of Joe Biden and something happened to Obama that he had to step away and then Ellis took over. It'd allow him to run the traditional term from 2012-2016 since he would have been stepping in for someone else and since he'd win then it'd work out that he's captured by Killian. It'd also explain why he's President in 2017 or seems to be. Again maybe I'm wrong but it's just a thing to think about with the political plot of Falcon and Winter Soldier and Ross seemingly forming the Thunderbolts he'll have to be acting on a President's order and it can't be Ellis going forward.
Trump was Ellis' replacement. Not quite official, but:
Yes, either Ellis took over after something happened to Obama, or there was an election c. 2010. As it happens, I've just been looking through the auction props, and there's an allusion to Biden running with Obama.
The presidential terms began January 2009, 2013, 2017. Hence the issue with Ellis being president in December 2012, implying on the surface that he was president for the 2009-2013 term (and, we know, also still president in 2016). He's also implied to have been president for years by 2012, when Killian says he's been dodging the president's ban for years (suggesting the same president has been in place for years), plus he's quoted for welcoming Steve back in 2011, implying he was president then.
Invincible341 wrote: I think in the MCU it's like this;
- Obama (2008-2012)
- Ellis (2012-2020)
So Ellis shouldn't be president in the F&WS unless because of the snap the government didn't change in that time period or something, I don't know.
It's more likely Obama 2009-2011, Ellis 2011-2017, Trump 2017-?.
Steve993 wrote: Well there's a comment regarding Ellis welcoming Cap back to the world but that maybe could have come later. Also if Ellis was elected in 2012 he wouldn't be there till January 2013 so if it was Christmas 2012 then it'd be Obama kidnapped. Though if Iron Man 3 is supposed to be Christmas 2012 Maya's joke about a kid being 13 years old tracks then the kid would be born in 1999. The problem with that is Maya wouldn't become pregnant until after the new year and the kid would be born sometime in 2000. Also Avengers has Obama's Speaker of the House in it on the screens reacting to the Avengers.
Honestly if they wanted to have it still be in 2012 that Ellis became president instead of Obama had the Attack been a world wide attack then maybe Obama could have been a casualty and then Ellis would have to be sworn in. I mean I don't know if they'd kill off a real president even if it is a different universe to ours.
Tony and Maya's kid would be born in September 2000. Tony says the kid would be 12, which is correct. Maya's joke is a joke about "No, there isn't a 12-year-old kid... he's 13!", it's not meant to imply the child would actually be 13. Tony is showing he remembers her when he says that, he knows what he's saying. There is no argument over Iron Man 3 not being 2012, people who say it's 2013 don't know the details. It's been discussed many times and there's one piece of evidence for 2013 vs. a mountain for 2012.
Ellis should be president before the Battle of New York, really, given the Captain America quote and "years" quote.
Brett3801 wrote: It's actually slightly more complicated than that. Linked the answer we came up with, since Obama was definitely president at some point (Nico Minoru: "You guys haven't had date night since the Obama Administration"), but there's also everything you say, and Trump's campaign is alluded to at one point, which makes everything slightly more confusing. In Soul Brother #1, Trump's candidacy is alluded to ("Make America Great Again") is mentioned, but they never actually say if he became president, making it all even more confusing. But yeah, that's the best solution we got is the linked reference.
They strongly imply he's president in They Reminisce Over You.
Steve993 wrote: Yeah I've seen that every two years theory. But again Ellis seems to still be President in 2017 but he'd probably be up in terms of his terms by then. If it's 6 years instead of 8 then in November he'd have to hand it off to someone else but even then he'd still be there till January 2017 but Mace being revealed as an Inhuman came after that which is the last current time the President is mentioned and that's in April when someone new should be there.
Where are you getting this Ellis in 2017 thing from? The only implication I can think of that Ellis was president beyond 2016 is that Ross is still Secretary of State in 2018.
Brett3801 wrote: Term limits might be different in the MCU as well. Basically, there are zero ways that Ellis makes sense as President in the MCU, the closest we get is that, at least since 2008, Presidential elections in the United States are every two years, and term limits are different (if they exist at all).
It's also weird since Trump ran for President in the MCU (as mentioned above, per Soul Brother #1), but in order to beat Obama, Ellis was probably also Republican. So we have to assume that in the MCU, Trump lost the 2016 primary.
It's not great, but it's honestly the best we can do.
Yup. Ward mentions in Spring 2015 that his trial would wrap up before the midterms, suggesting 2015 midterms, and we know from a Civil War newspaper there's a 2016 election, so it's not too bad to assume there's a 2-year term at least briefly for those years, around 2008-2017.
Marvelus wrote: It is likely Trump is the president in the MCU since 2016...
Yup.
Steve993 wrote: This video made before the Runaways reference and the later Luke Cage references to Trump tried to give off the idea of Obama having not served but ran and failed. Don't think it'll track now.
It's outdated and missing evidence.
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: My headcanons about the presidents have always been as follows:
- George W. Bush (2000-2004), keeping all real world presidents as presidents in the MCU up to the date of its inception. Also, the presence of the Afghanistan War in Iron Man (2008) and Punisher (2010's) shows he declared war on the Middle East at some point during his first term as he did in real life.
- Barack Obama (2004-2008), since he is confirmed to have been president in Runaways and was confirmed to have had a presidential campaign in Luke Cage and can't be pushed back any further without messing up the real life order of presidencies. Also far back enough for Nico to think it was long ago, but still recent enough for her to remember it.
- Matthew Ellis (2008-2016), since he is president in Iron Man 3 (2012-2013) and Agents of SHIELD Season 3 (2015-2016), and is confirmed to have been the first person to meet Cap out of the ice in Winter Soldier, which is definitely an honor only a president would get, with Cap being unfrozen in 2011, meaning Ellis would've been president in 2011, thus 2008-2012.
- Unknown (2016-????), all we know about the current president is that they beat out Hillary Clinton, as mentioned in Runaways. Since Far From Home is set in 2024, and most movies moving forward will also be set in the future, we will likely never find out who this president is.
Obama's 2008 campaign poster is also referenced in Iron Man 2. I guess he could have run in 2008 and lost to Ellis, though I don't see Ellis being Obama's opposition personally. The 2012 Barack Obama: The Story book is on Steve's shelf in The Winter Soldier, which to me would imply he was president more recently than 2008 as well. Plus we have the Al Green song mention, implying he was still in the spotlight in 2012, so if no longer president, he should ideally have been president fairly recently.
When's it said he met Cap after his thawing?
Steve993 wrote: I had seen the theory of Bush being a one term President as well and that would make more sense to me then shifting the dates to every 2 years instead of 4 because it's harder for me to count at the very least. At least keeping it to every 4 years makes it easier to follow.
Also this video seems to agree Iron Man 3 was 2012 even with what I mentioned about Maya's joke and they bring it up as a possible contention though they did point out a 2013 date when Harley hands Tony a paper but they seem to still agree that's a mistake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8s_ukAXgMw
They've done other videos like this too but I haven't looked to see if any of them got their info from here and are basically video versions of the work done here or if maybe there's some disagreement but I'd imagine probably not. EDIT: Okay found one where it disagrees with the wiki where this person tries to put Incredible Hulk in 2011 but it's put in 2010 on here
I'm not going to watch Geekritique timeline videos. They're working on much less evidence than us. We know about the 2013 newspaper, it's the only thing pointing to 2013 vs. a tonne of evidence for 2012.
Marvelus wrote: ^Luke Cage is compared to Trump, in the same episode DW alludes to the day Trump was elected. It is likely he won't be referenced as the President, as they could have elected someone else by 2024 so the movies and tv series dodged that, but it has to be Trump.
Yes.
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: DW?
D. W. Griffith.
Mrmichaelt wrote: I'm curious if the next President shown in the MCU will be a new character like Ellis or will they insert a name character from the comics and/or who has been President, too.
I think they might steer clear of showing another president while Trump is president in the real world, as it will be read into too much by viewers.
All in all, even if it's only for 2008-2017, there's evidence for 2-year terms, which solves most problems.
Steve993 wrote: Also nothing to do with the President debate well sort of but I don't think this Daily Bugle information added. It's minor but the Prime Minister is asking for the President to pay up for damages Spider-Man supposedly inflicted. Not going to debate who's in charge in the UK.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVr-J1ZPYOU
EDIT: Nevermind noticed it's part of the Daily Bugle page but not considered important to deal with for 2024's date.
So long as it's not Boris.
As always, I've gone through the auction and made notes. Much of this is repeated from the previous auctions.
Part 15 might end up starting while I'm gone to avoid Episode 7 spoilers, so please, whoever's the last message, make sure to edit your message with a link to Part 15 for continuity once Part 15 is created.
so basically hard confirmed that AOS is an alternate timeline, at least until something harder confirms it's not. Honestly makes things a lot easier. in my opinion, just because it fits the same time travel system as Endgame.
They just say "the President". I remember being confused when Season 4 was actually airing as to why they kept tip-toeing around his name when he would be namedropped frequently beforehand. Then we figured out the timeline was in 2017 by that point, so it would've been Ellis' replacement.
Ok, so the episode starts in 1982, goes into 1983, and any songs from after this were stolen by Deke to make a career for himself in music. Which... YIKES. The timeline's DEFINITELY not getting fixed now.
Glad to have that Yo-Yo 20 month mention. I didn't think the episode went past 1983, but it's nice to have confirmation.
Steve993 wrote: Okay well thanks for trying to break it down again. It's just I had thought about it and again was getting conflicting information here and there. Ellis is credited as being mentioned in the episode "The Patriot." I haven't seen that in awhile so I don't know if he's specifically identified as Ellis or if it's just the President but the page for the episode attributes it too Ellis since he was the last current President.
The only reason Ellis is listed is because the wikia is not assuming Ellis has a successor as he hasn't been introduced, and it would be speculation. As Ellis is the last USA President in the MCU, then Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. mentions should apply to him. If you realize, Season 4 stopped mentioning Ellis' name and just said "The President". It has to be a new president, but since there is no confirmation the wikia lists Ellis as the President.
BardicFire wrote: so basically hard confirmed that AOS is an alternate timeline, at least until something harder confirms it's not. Honestly makes things a lot easier. in my opinion, just because it fits the same time travel system as Endgame.
Season 5 follows Endgame time travel rules, and BEJT noticed is through the same method (via White Monolith) so they had to follow the same.
As of now the known consequences to MCU time travel are:
Btw, Part 15