All posts by Kewlguynot

A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/2/2022

@D-ManTheMovieTVGuy it seemed to be implied that if other people aren't thinking about how the 4th wall works than neither should I.

Like it's actually offensive to think of stuff other people haven't, and thus justifies them being upset to the point of screaming in cap locks and implying i only bought it up because She Hulk is a woman.

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

@D-ManTheMovieTVGuy so the message seems to be don't ask questions and don't have original ideas, just sit back and watch the shows without thought or insight.

i think i just figured out why cop shows and bigfoot documentaries are so popular...opps there's another one of those pesky theories forming.

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

And that justifies screaming? Because i had a different POV?

And people keep saying it doesn't really matter. well obviously, it matters enough to them to warrant a response if it really wasn't a big deal that people didn't think about the wouldn't care about my fan theory they'd just move on. But the fact that they are bothered by it means it matters to them.

So the real issue seems to be that my POV conflicts with theirs and they really really don't like that.

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

Some people don't care about explanations for why things happen in a story, but other do.

I only shared a theory of how i see the 4th wall and people act as if i hurt them.

Are fan theories and concepts not allowed here? What did I say that was so offensive to warrant a caps lock?

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

I don't have an issue with breaking the 4th wall, but the viewer/reader is asked to pretend they're peering into another reality that for the sake of pretend exists.

Thinking of that concetpt as a i watch/read/ the explanation for 4th wall breaking in theory would be some sort of in-between dimension or reality. If the viewer is supposed to believe Jen is driving a car while at the same time talking to the viewer with her hands off the wheel, then the conclusion i draw is that both those things are happening, but in different realities/diminutions.

The same rules ap;ply to Deadpool and i don't know why people keep insisting that I'm saying they don't. I've said several times this rule applies to characters talking to the viewer or reader. I came up with this concept reading comic books 20 years ago and had never even read a she-hulk comic.

It was while reading spider-man comics and seeing him narrating that made me wonder, wait, if the reader is to pretend this comic is another reality, then how is Peter Parker talking to the reader?

This has nothing to do with gender or the character she hulk. It's just how i explain the phenomenon of the character interacting with the audience. I don't know why people are so offended by new concepts.

The MCU is full of new concepts, but people act if I've run over their puppy if i dare even speak a concept, they're not familiar with. If nerds can't share weird theories on a site called Fandom, then why is it even called that?

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

Actually, it's a concept that's been kicked around for a while. I don't know about the narrator reality, but the idea that even functional universes might be real in a larger multiverse has been theorized, but not proven. And a big problem with it is, if they were real, in theory a person should just be able write a story where spider-man comes through a portal to this reality, and he would pop out in their kitchen.

But i was speaking in the context of how it makes sense from a cannon POV.

Even if the MCU is not a real universe in a grand multiverse, when watching the movies and shows a person is supposed to pretend it is. In order for a person to pretend that she hulk and Deadpool are real, and the story is real there must then be a reason why they sometimes know they are fictional characters. And that's the theory I came up with.

They know from the point of view of those watching/reading they're not real. But in the main cannon they don't.

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

She also takes her hand off the wheel while in heavy traffic which is still moving. She's speaking from outside that reality. Again, it might be semi entangled with the real reality, but will leave no impact on the story.

The people in the other cars just see her driving her car normally, and not looking over talking to herself, ust like her boss doesn't hear her talking to viewers while he's showing her around or he would have fired her.

Two things are happening at once. She's driving a car from one perspective, but from the perspective of the viewers she's talking to them. Since the Jen driving the car doesn't crash, it can be assumed she's unaware of her other self talking to the camara that she doesn't know exists.

A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

Um if Deadpool breaking the 4th wall is cannon than him addressing the audience and talking about future plot points is cannon. But if he's aware of these future plot points, how is he then surprsed by them?

The narrator diminution/reality is no more cannon than the stuff at the theme parks where ant-man talks to people about why he didn't fly up Thanos' butt and kill him. It may be part of the larger multiverse, but for it to be cannon that means that the Marvel characters are walking around fully aware they're tv shows or comics.

So, 4th wall breaking, and the c character narration their own story, can't be cannon to the universe where the story is taking place unless the characters are aware they're essentially putting on a play for people in another reality.

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A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

I call it the narrator reality. Uh...naming stuff is not a strong quality for me.

But I theorize there's an in-between reality where the characters are aware, or semi aware they're characters in a story, at least from the point of view of those they're talking to,

Narration is an early form of 4th wall breaking, so i call it the narrator reality. Readers of book are often being talked to by one of the main characters as if that person realizes they're a character in the story. I think it's almost like a dream state just a little more stable and it can sometimes intertwin with the main reality but leaves no lasting changes and is basically erased.

A reply to Raff2159

Kewlguynot·9/1/2022

Another solid episode, but I will say, even for a show where the main character literally talks to the viewer, I hate when real life celbs make cameos as themselves.

It just almost always comes off goofy and cringe like the post credits scene which I'm just gonna assume is 4th wall stuff that is not cannon. They can just as easily do a cameo as a character from the show/movie.

But other than the cringe at the end, it was solid ep, funny and entertaining. Really laughed at the part where she forgets she's a super powered Hulk and is screaming helplessly and then suddenly realizes she can literally throw these guys into space if she wants.

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A reply to ManthePlan123

Kewlguynot·8/29/2022

Minor disruptions don't seem to cause the timeline to split. This is evidenced in the conversation Bruce has with the Ancient One, she's not concerned about their conversation altering the timeline, even though it obviously didn't occur in the original 2012 timeline.

Alos Clint goes back and steals a glove from his children, and Dr. Strange is constantly pulling matter from other points in the timeline into the present and there is not alarm that this will cause new branches of the timeline. This must mean the timeline can withstand minor alterations that are simply absorbed and erased from the main timeline.

Cap was going to put back important stuff like Thor's hammer that would make a major impact if not returned. But just them being there, and Tony having a little chat with his dad, doesn't impact the timeline in a major way so, it's just absorbed into the main timeline and Tony's father will have no memory he talked to strange man about him becoming a father, or the weird hug that seemed oddly not weird.

Alos they seem focused on stopping branches to form that will cause Kang to exist, not stopping any branch from occurring. Loki is promised he can live in an alternate timeline where he's powerful and feared if he will just keep Kang from existing. The lower agents may not understand that's the real goal, but clearly they're told to ignore some alternate timelines.

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A reply to SpiderFan2104

Kewlguynot·8/25/2022

I'd say it was a fair ep. Watching the movies, it's hard to get used to the in-between story stuff, usually the story cuts from point a to point b.

This ep was the car ride over, but the character is strong enough I think to carry a car ride ep. I wasn't bored and the story moved quicky, there just wasn't a whole lot going on.

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A reply to Cameron Elturk

Kewlguynot·8/25/2022

I wasn't aware it was on Hulu, i don't subscribe. But I was wondering why the Sam Rami Spider-Man wasn't on Disney Plus yet because they should not have been subject to the Netflix deal because they were old movies. Now I see.

Disney is trying to build up Hulu in the US. I'm not sure why, If Hulu is more successful it means they have to pay Comcast more for it in 2024 when the deal closes. But that's another subject.

Spider-man and related films made more recently are still subject to the Netflix deal it seems. Even though in some countries new Spider-Man films go directly to Disney Plus after they leave theaters. There's even talk that the Spider-Verse sequels will be straight to Netflix if Kraven doesn't do well.

A reply to Cameron Elturk

Kewlguynot·8/25/2022

Disney struck a deal with Sony to stream Sony movies, but in the US, Sony had already made a deal with Netflix for first look rights. Sony films have to go through Netflix first in the US before they can reach Disney Plus or Hulu, unless Netflix passes.

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Kewlguynot·8/24/2022

Buying the rights would be the grand prize, but Sony's not gonna let it go easy or cheap so they're teasing rights back little by little. They just earned temporary streaming rights to the films and will likely keep building on that, possibly asking to be made distributor on paper so the films can skip Netflix and go directly to Disney Plus.

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Kewlguynot·8/24/2022

I think Sony is seeing less value in them running the show after Morbious and if Kraven meets a similar fate, it will really start to make them think twice about just how involved they want to be with Spider-Man.

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A reply to Kewlguynot

Kewlguynot·8/24/2022

No need to apologize, Disagreements happen. There was no personal attack, i don't mind being challenged, i get upset when people start to get personal.

But still i don't see how the multiverse can explain why the cannon contradicts itself, unless the cannon is made up of different realities.

Would be kind of sad if the movies were separate realities that only seem connected.

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Kewlguynot·8/24/2022

The multiverse can't explain why things change in the same reality. When there's a flashback that doesn't match the original film, the multiverse is not an explanation unless each film is a different reality which seems really sad.

Peter's film doesn't match Civil War. So unless far from home is a different reality the in-universe explanation would have to be that the universe changed. Same with books. They're supposed to be a simple retailing of the story, they're supposed to be the same reality, but they add and rearrange events. If they're the same reality, the multiverse doesn't explain why they're different.

Also, the layered reality is hinted at in Loki. Kang explains the different timelines, not as separate realities, but layers within the same reality. And the ancient one demonstrates to Bruce the main timeline not as a single line, but a spiraling ropelike structure with little threads seemingly coming off it and deadening before being absorbed back into the main structure.

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Kewlguynot·8/24/2022 in General

Books, extended cuts, flashbacks, video games, and MCU cannon

Books, and other media retail the MCU stories and are supposed to be cannon, but they don't match up with the movies. And even flashbacks include footage that contradicts the original films. Can there be an in-universe explanation for these different versions being cannon at the same time?

I think these variations support the argument for a fluid reality, or layered reality. The theory being that the MCU has alternate, but very similar versions of itself tangled together in a single reality flowing in the same general defections like a rope with many threads. The books, and flashbacks could be like slightly different threads of the same rope, they're part of a singal reality, that is fluid and subject to small change.s

A reply to Cameron Elturk

Kewlguynot·8/24/2022

I think it already is streaming on Disney Plus in some countries, but the Netflix deal with Sony means Sony distributed films go to Netflix first in the US. This is why I'm guessing Disney will soon ask to become distributer of Spidey films if only on paper to undercut the deal with Netflix.