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Remember, this is only a confirmation of the Marvel Netflix series, not the other ones (though, until they’re explicitly contradicted, they’re still MCU canon).

This list of confirmed canon includes:

Daredevil

Jessica Jones

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

The Defenders

The Punisher

They never said anything about the other shows, and there are a few reasons.

First, from what it seems right now, the events of Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, and Helstrom did not and might never impact the “Sacred Timeline”. So they are 100% canon, but the average viewer doesn’t have to watch them and their perception of the story doesn’t change one bit. If, for whatever reason Marvel wanted to use those characters though, I don’t think they’d hesitate to decanonize them.

For the ABC shows it’s a bit different, but I think Agent Carter and Inhumans have at least been acknowledged (in Endgame and MoM, respectively), and they should have a place on the Sacred Timeline.

AoS is the big “well…”, and that’s because, for the average viewer, it can really confuse certain things (especially because the characters don’t react at all to the snap, and Coulson’s still alive). I think we’ll get a definitive answer someday, as AoS does still mostly work in the canon despite those things that might confuse the average viewer, in all seriousness I hope they clear it up someday. The thing I’d also like to add is, for the average viewer these shows could be extremely confusing (no snap in AoS, Agent Carter show seems to contradict the one-shot), in contrast, the Marvel Netflix shows don’t contradict the current MCU at all.

Anyway, these 6 MCU shows being 100% canon is a huge win for the fanbase. I’d hope Marvel starts referencing the shows more and embracing them as if they were always a part of the MCU (which they have been, and it’s about time Marvel Studios acknowledged it)

Ok i need to get this out — there is no way that The Marvels takes place after Secret Invasion. This doesn’t make sense Ms. Marvel is supposed to take place in fall 2025, and it does not make sense for The Marvels to jump a year forward. No sense at all.

The whole narrative looks better if The Marvels takes place a month or two after Ms. Marvel, maybe November 2025, and Secret Invasion takes place a year later when Nick Fury comes back to Earth.

This is the only possible exploration for the fact that Talos/Soren/Gi’ah’s deaths or power upgrades haven’t been mentioned.

Maybe it’s just me but i think that the show isn’t working. The concept is cool and i’m kind of enjoying it but i feel like they should’ve made it the next Avengers threat and they’re underutilizing what Secret Invasion could be.

The dialogue and acting are incredible, but I feel like it’s not moving fast enough and every surprise is something we could easily see coming. Also, the last episode was only 30 minutes long and didn’t even feature Olivia Colman.

Could it redeem itself in the next two episodes? Potentially, but i feel like it would have to do something drastic to really up the stakes in it’s penultimate chapter. Also, I really don’t want them to waste Fury and Sam Jackson on a show like this if it’s not going to live up to its potential.

Think about it from a story perspective- Nick Fury’s wife being a skrull makes total sense cause it gives him a more private and personal fight to have. He knows millions of Skrulls on Earth won’t be good but his wife is one so the battle against these Skrulls hits closer to home than we might realize.

There are a few canon books in the universe that add enough original content to be noticed:

Doctor Strange: The Beginning: While partially an adaption of the first act of Doctor Strange, it focuses on Stephen Strange's time trying to adjust to his injury.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2: The Junior Novel features a short story that bridges in the gap between the first and second movie.

Black Panther: Aftermath: An original story featured in the Black Panther Junior Novel, it focuses on T'Challa, Everett Ross, and Baron Zemo from the moment T'Challa stops Zemo from committing suicide to the Civil War post-credits scene.

Avengers: Infinity War: The Heroes' Journey centers around the Avengers' journey's since Age of Ultron, focusing on Tony Stark, Captain America & Falcon & Black Widow, Thor, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, and the Guardians of the Galaxy.

The Cosmic Quest Volume One: Beginning is practically a prelude to Thanos' journey in Infinity War and focuses on the Grandmaster and the Collector as they try and find out what happened to all the other Infinity Stones

Ant-Man and the Wasp: The Heroes' Journey fills in what happens with Scott Lang & Hope Van Dyne in between the first movie and the second.

Captain Marvel: Higher, Further, Faster focuses on Carol Danvers and Maria Rambeau before they meet Mar-Vell, and is about their time in an air force academy in the mid-1980s.

Captain Marvel: The Heroes' Journey: Starforce on the Rise addresses Vers time with Starforce (Yon-Rogg, Minn-Erva, Att-Lass, Korath, Bron-Char, and Sun-Val) and the relationship she has with the team; we also see Rhomann Day from GOtG 1.

Captain Marvel: Starforce Mission Log is a companion book written from Vers' perspective during her time with Starforce.

Spider-Man: Far From Home: Peter and Ned's Ultimate Travel Journal: Similar to the Mission Log above, it just features Peter & Ned's thoughts on the trip they take; it doesn't add much to the story.

The Wakanda Files: A Technological Exploration of the Avengers and Beyond features lots of canon information; presented as a collection of files made by Shuri it has lots of relevations about the science & technology of the MCU.

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings: Who Guards My Sleep is a story featuring a young Shang-Chi and his family

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: The Courage to Dream focuses on Assata, a young Wakandan who wished to become a Dora Milaje, but gave up on her dream because of a disability. It features appearances from T'Challa, Shuri, Okoye, Ramonda, M'Baku, and Ayo

Unfortunately, because Disney didn't always communicate with Marvel's writers, some other really great stories such as Thanos: Titan Consumed and The Cosmic Quest Volume Two: Aftermath can't be considered canon because of discrepencies with the movies. After the Infinity Saga ended, we haven't really gotten any companion novels (or tie-in comics, for that matter) besides picture books that don't have much to do with the story, so I think the era of tie-in content for Marvel Studios has come to a close.

Some of the “shows”, such as Wonder Man, Nova, the Ten Rings or the Wakanda series could just be specials instead.

Idk if they all need to be set around holidays; Halloween and Christmas; the two ones these are set around; are some of the few that are celebrated (almost) globally; the only other ones that would work would be Valentine’s Day - which they should definitely do - and possibly an Independence Day special, but only if it has something to do with an American character such as Isaiah Bradley or Patriot.

Talking about characters that NEED specials, I think Man-Thing is a perfect choice; same with Ghost Rider if they don’t give him a show. A Captain Britian/Carter special would be neat, as would some other specials for characters already introduced (America Chavez, Kate Bishop, Scarlet Witch, etc.)

I don’t think any of the already announced shows are going to be turned into a special (Secret Invasion, Echo, Loki, Ironheart), as well as Agatha: Coven of Chaos and Daredevil: Born Again. Though anything further out than that (no shows have been officially revealed yet past DD), so the Okoye/Wakanda project, Nova, and Wonder Man could change.

Personally I’d like to see specials for Marvel Netflix characters like Jessica Jones and The Punisher; if (when) they get reintroduced in DD, I could see them doing something like that to further their story without a show or movie. I also think more specials could be used as prequels too; I’d love an animated special about Hank & Janet set in the 80’s or a story about a medieval/Western hero.

That would be amazing. Might be wishful thinking but I would kill for that. Even for any of the Netflix characters or someone like Quake who needs reintroduction, or in general someone new like they're doing with Werewolf by Night (Ghost Rider? Man-Thing?) would be neat.

In another thought, I think that if the GOtG special plays out well in December that Marvel should start considering specials in between movies (a Ten Rings special would work perfectly for this; they could effectively release that in preparation for a new movie without needing 6 weeks for a show) that kind of fill in some gaps and set up the future while not being unnecessarily excessive in the storytelling.

Yeah everybody, I Am Groot is actually canon - what he's saying is that the events don't matter in the end and you don't really need to watch them to get the bigger picture. He said not canon to the Guardians saga; that really means not a part of the overall Guardians story but it's still in the main MCU universe. Idk why there's such a big fuss over this; it seems pretty obvious to me.

Missed opportunity damn

Around the world, it will be heading to Star. In America, they are getting ready to debut Star here as an added feature of Disney+ and they will debut those shows with that new version of the network. It might be a month or two before we even see these shows again, which certainly stinks, but at least in a few years all Marvel will be on Disney+ (after all the Spider-Man content moves there).

Yeah but they’ll be brought back and either grow older or be older; and this will probably happen in Doctor Strange in the MOM

Holy crap the illuminati

@Bund there are some things that work and others that really don't; and Luke Cage and Jessica Jones really don't work at all in either Black Panther 2 or The Marvels (those cameos would be completely unnecessary and while I'm sure we'd love it would probably get a lot of criticism unless there was a totally good reason).

Before I write an entire essay here's my short verdict:

• She-Hulk (Daredevil, maybe The Punisher)

• Secret Invasion (anybody could show up, possibly Kingpin or really just anybody who they can work into the storyline)

• Armor Wars (Kingpin could show up as well,

• Ironheart (another good place for these characters

So when will they show up? Aside from Iron Fist, all of the Defenders are really street-level heroes and they will likely show up in street-level shows and films, so for Moon Knight any of these characters are out of the way. For Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, I am sure we'll get a cameo from one or two Marvel TV characters (I'm betting on Black Bolt from Inhumans for the Illuminati; trust me on this one, if anybody else they'd be from Agents of SHIELD). For that movie I'm counting all of the Netflix characters out.

She-Hulk is when it really gets real. Anybody could show up. I wish I could say that Jessica Jones would be one of those people, but from what it seems Krysten Ritter had a conflict with filming and they ended up replacing her with Matt Murdock (who yes, will suit up as Daredevil). So, we know he'll be around for a good chunk of the series, and because it's practically a street level series anybody could show up - The Punisher has also been reported for She-Hulk so I guess we'll have to see. I feel like Luke Cage and Misty Knight wouldn't come around, and while I could see any other supporting character (most likely one from Daredevil), I'm not so sure about the others. I guess another thing we do know is that Krysten Ritter is going to return someday, though when that will be we'll have to see.

For any of the movies onward from Doctor Strange for a little while, I'm going to have to pass on any of these characters showing up. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to return in a completely cosmic movie (yet) in instances like Thor: Love and Thunder or Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, or for larger-scale at least partly earth-set films like Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, The Marvels, or Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Blade, while possible, already could be packed with the knowledge of Black Knight probably returning and the film diving into its own corner, and while anything's possible does it really make sense? The next movies I see any Netflix character coming back is Captain America 4, Deadpool 3, and Shang-Chi 2. Captain America is going to be grounded, just like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Hawkeye were, and having Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Daredevil, The Punisher, or Jessica Jones would actually work really well within given parameters (especially either of the first two). Deadpool 3 will be complete madness, so expect anything, and Shang-Chi 2 (and/or the spin-off series) kind of needs to have both Danny Rand and Colleen Wing but don't expect anything from them before 2024.

So what about TV shows. They could fit a character into Ms Marvel easily, but that might be a little weird so I'm going to count that one out. However, for Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, and Ironheart, fitting any of the characters (maybe Kingpin, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, or Luke Cage) could add something else to the storylines. For Secret Invasion, it could turn one of them into Skrulls, or have them help somewhat with whatever problem they might be facing in the series - maybe Kingpin could have been involved with them somehow? For Armor Wars, the plotline really fits well with characters like Jessica Jones, Daredevil, or Luke Cage who could try to help James Rhodes get Stark's tech back, or any of the villains - most likely Kingpin - could be the buyers. Even The Punisher could work his way in. Ironheart is a bit more free in terms of who it would put in as it could be anyone, but a cameo would be a nice touch if that's what the story worked in.

Echo is when it all gets real. We know already that Kingpin AND Daredevil will be big parts of this, and I'm sure they could bring other street level heroes (especially Jessica Jones or Misty Knight) back into the storyline with ease. This show will probably be the gateway for the reported Daredevil revival, likely for 2024 or early 2025, and that could lead to more projects with Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, or The Punisher. We don't know much about what comes after Echo, but thrusting these characters into the spotlight for good can give them more opportunities with shows like What If...?, and with bigger characters and beyond.

Basically, I'm saying that once they're really reintroduced back into the MCU, they can team up with Thor, Captain Marvel, or Spider-Man if Marvel really wants them to. Waiting for She-Hulk, Armor Wars, and Echo is probably the best we can do, because those shows will likely really help them bring in the Netflix Marvel Universe for good, and thrust them back into extreme popularity once again.

The shows that are going to be out this year are Moon Knight (March-May), She-Hulk (May-July), I Am Groot, Ms Marvel (August/September-November), The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Speicla (December), and Secret Invasion, which will likely debut in December 2022 and end in February 2023.

What If…? S2 is also slated for 2022 but idk how they’ll fit that and I Am Groot in unless one of them is all ten episodes at once.

Then in 2023 we’ll see Armor Wars, Ironheart, Echo, and Agatha: House of Harkness; as well as maybe one or two other animated ones. X-Men 97 is already slated for 2023, and I bet we’ll also see Spider-Man: Freshman Year and possibly/or possibly Marvel Zombies.

They basically have all their projects up to 2023 fully announced; with the exception of Captain America 4 and Deadpool 3 (possibly Fantastic 4 but that might release in November of that year)