All posts by BEJT

He was waiting until he had a lead on the Soul Stone, so he could set out to pick up all the stones in quick succession before the universe could rally in response. Nebula arriving on the ship to kill him gave him that lead.

Let me try to express why I thought it was a coincidence even before it was confirmed:

• Both episodes are about 42 minutes before the credits start. It's natural through standard structure and editing that notable beats would fall around the same sorts of points in the episodes, making it much less coincidental than it might sound for two notable beats to line up very closely.

• The moments aren't really intrinsically linked, so we're not really talking about like "Wow, the exact moments that x event happened in both show finales line up perfectly". It's just, "Wow, this big moment in this finale and this big moment in this finale happen around the same marks." This means that there are several options for moments that could have lined up to elicit such a reaction. Again, it's not as coincidental as it might seem.

• There are several points within each notable moment which could line up, in terms of the exact seconds, to call it aligned. Again, it's not as coincidental as it might seem.

Basically, we're talking here about there being a certain number of realistic (given they're the same length, naturally around the same point realistically) options for how several notable moments in two different episodes of the same length might each turn out, and several windows for each which might then be considered the points to judge when any of the moments is "aligning with" another. And given the smallish window for these moments to naturally fall within a 42-minute episode, the number of notable moments, and the leniency for each moment to be seen as aligning in editing, quite a high portion of those options are options where one might then look at both finales and find a point and go "Ah, those things align!". And this has turned out as one of those outcomes.

Because it's not official. The wiki deals in facts only.

Yep, and he doesn't come across as the type to me to "like" fake news.

"Big Screen Leaks" tweet. Checked Vincent's Twitter likes, it's legit.

He wouldn't act to hit a mark, because they wouldn't know during filming exactly what second they would be at. They can't know exactly how the editing would turn out (and if they wanted to hit a mark, they would just edit the scenes in the episode to hit the mark).

Anyway yes, I'm of the big coincidence opinion.

It's possible that they're acknowledging the fact that the episodes always really debut about 10 minutes before midnight Pacific time.

11th for me. What time zone are you in?

I would say Paul would have authority if he were clearer and more explicit. It's the mix of factors that overall overruled Paul, in the eyes of this wiki at least.

I am not going to give you the long answer to these questions because I am beyond exhausted of this.

• They are all confirmed to be part of the MCU.

• Anthony Mackie has zero authority on this and I don't understand why his opinion would even for a second be thought to have any weight.

• James Gunn has very little authority on this and made objective factual errors in what he said.

• The Marvel Database put too much emphasis on those Helstrom comments. In context, Zbyszewski was saying that Helstrom is not at all connected to the Marvel Studios "MCU", while also calling it a "pocket of the universe".

• The wiki does not and would not deal in assumptions about these things, everything is designated by fact. Jeph Loeb (who also outranks Zbyszewski) confirmed it was connected to Gabriel Luna's AoS Robbie Reyes through the Ghost Rider show (which is referenced in Helstrom), and Helstrom contains MCU-exclusive Easter eggs with O'Harren's Scotch Whisky from various shows, the New Orleans Gazette from Cloak & Dagger, the San Francisco Chronicle from AoS, and the Dallas Record from Iron Man 2. A newspaper from the show also was recently revealed at a prop auction to contain a Sokovia Accords reference.

Welcome to the multiverse mess I've been forewarning users about for the last year or two lol.

(I wouldn't actually get too ahead of ourselves on anticipating how No Way Home will work.)

@Fiona225 No, the diagrams aren't about making those shows work. The diagrams are about making the fact that the multiverse was already confirmed to exist explicitly in Doctor Strange in particular work. AoS and Runaways just happen to fall fairly comfortably in that picture once you reconcile this, and I indicated it for the sake of it, and for other users. That wasn't the main purpose of the diagrams. Marvel Studios definitely aren't taking that into consideration, but it doesn't mean it doesn't fit - AoS and Runaways fit a lot better into the picture than Endgame, bizarrely. Endgame and Loki are very at odds, which I discuss here: https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003205237/r/4400000000010691473 .

Anyway, the shows weren't the point of my reply, the same way they're not the point of the diagrams - point was explaining the dimensional difference in how we express what comes "before" and "after". If you consider that Wanda being in that hut would be basically in the same place that I've written "Ancient One knows about the multiverse", I hope it's clear why there shouldn't be a moment to her that the multiverse becomes real.

As for the Disney+ order - yes, personally would put it after Avengers (sort of) based on the assigned date of 2012. But the Disney+ timeline order is definitely not a carefully crafted date-based order (e.g. The Dark World and Iron Man 3 being in the wrong order by dates, the best guess being that The Dark World is placed there due to its first main scene being straight after Avengers). It's just an order they feel makes timeline-ish sense to viewers, and I would stress again that official synopses have explicitly said "After the events of Avengers: Endgame", which is how they consider this. So yeah, I always expected them to slot it in right after Endgame, and I'm certain that's the reason,

I've seen this theory going around, and I'm really not a fan.

There is no point in time when the multiverse in general came into existence. e.g. The year 1900 did not branch in 2023, it doesn't make sense. The "point" when the timeline branched is a point in five-dimensional measurement, not a point in time (four-dimensional measurement). Here are diagrams I drew of it https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003205237/r/4400000000010668817 .

So, from the perspective of a human living within a timeline, there is no such thing as a moment that the branches came into existence. (That said, this whole thing is so poorly thought-through by Marvel that I wouldn't put it past them to go "Oh yeah, the multiverse came into existence at x point in time, despite that making no sense.)

I guessed several weeks ago that when they put it in the Disney+ chronological order, they would put it between Endgame and WandaVision. That was because they've been promoting the show, understandably, as "set after Endgame", and when you're presenting that branch in a linear order, there is no other logical place to put it than immediately after Endgame. If they put it after WandaVision, it would be very odd, there's no logic to it. So they've just adjoined it to Endgame to show how the branch goes straight from Endgame into Loki - and represent the fact that, narratively, it picks up "immediately after Endgame" while WandaVision is weeks later. The fact that it's before WandaVision is, therefore, not meant to mean anything, I'm certain. It's just there because of its direct relation to Endgame. I do not think that that Disney+ timeline order is new information about anything.

I think in the WandaVision scene, her exploration of the Darkhold's secrets as opened up her mind to hear them in some way, potentially another universe.

I didn't include I Am Groot because it's not really a Disney+ show, it's just a collection of shorts, and it's very unclear when it will drop. But I think it will be treated as a bonus little thing, not its own big release.

While there isn't quite enough for something every week with Marvel, between Marvel and Star Wars there is actually seemingly more than enough for something every week, which makes me very curious about how they will handle that. The Bad Batch is a lower tier of Star Wars "importance", but come December we will hopefully have a better idea, since Hawkeye and Boba Fett are due around the same time.

Having looked at the rough Star Wars and Marvel Disney+ schedules combined over recent months, it does feel very overwhelming. I do wonder if audiences will burn out.

It's not something I feel passionate about, but I've always agreed, alias is not really the right word for that category - or that category should be reduced to actual aliases.

The idea is that in "removing himself from the equation", he didn't create a significant/dangerous enough branch until he finally decided to leave his secluded planet. When that happened, the branch became dangerous and headed much faster to redline, so he was pruned.

It's been confirmed that they haven't filmed Season 2 yet, which did seem unlikely. I think if Clark wasn't just making a flat-out error, he may have been referring to the fact that Tom already knew he would be doing another six episodes.

If the January 2022 production date is correct and sticks, we would be looking at late 2022 at the earliest, more likely early 2023. Echo is due to start filming in January 2022 as well, and Armor Wars had previously been said to film in 2021 but now 2022, so is presumably around early 2022 too. So it's a bit hard to say what order things will fall in. But if I had to put money on it now, I would say early 2023.

These estimates would put it right around the time that Quantumania is coming out. My best guess is they're not going to try to squeeze Season 2 in before then, and will instead release it soon after.

Just an update (don't worry, I'm not going to come back and keep replying updates, I just don't want to look like an idiot immediately after posting this the other day), Don Cheadle is now telling us something different about when Armor Wars is filming. He had said in February 2021 that it would be in a "couple months", but now he's saying it's not filming until next year, which changes things a lot. It's also tricky to fit in, because we have no idea when next year. I have pencilled it in as January for now, given the previous implication that it would film in 2021, but we have no real idea yet. But to update, approximately:

• August-October 2021 - What If...?: Season 1

• October-November 2021 - Ms. Marvel: Season 1

• December 2021-January 2022 - Hawkeye: Season 1

• March-May 2022 - She-Hulk: Season 1

• May-June 2022 - Moon Knight: Season 1

• August-September 2022 - Secret Invasion: Season 1

• Guess: October-December 2022 - What If...?: Season 2

• December 2022-May 2023 - Armor Wars: Season 1?/Echo: Season 1/Loki: Season 2 in an unclear order, if Armor Wars even is coming out in that time period

• May-June 2023 - Ironheart: Season 1

• Guess: Summer 2023 - Wakanda: Season 1

@TheRantMaster I did consider the idea of it being intentional, and I think it was. However, I think I personally needed it to be rooted in her believably being a Loki. I felt from there you could do all sorts with her personality and behaviour, but fundamentally I needed to believe she was a variant of him, and that never clicked for me sadly.

@GenericDuck Writing a lot isn't always the best thing! There are users on here who are succinct in a way I can never be.

I mean, not a pen and paper, but I've spent 6 years on this wiki working very hard on the wiki's timeline with other users, which does include a lot of note-taking.