Phase Four

Hello, I’m in the middle of an MCU chronological rewatch. I’ve got my list sorted mostly, but I’m having some issues with phases four and five. I’m including shows and movies and just trying to get the most realistic timeline possible. I think I have several errors and inconsistencies as every website online was different lol, and not all of them were including the Disney+ shows.

Hello everyone! I'm Nathan10828 (but you can call me Nathan) and I'm a new fan who is interested in the MCU because I have a few questions before I really can get started and maybe even be part of this fandom! I may have already been seen under another minor publication a few months ago but anyway. I'm also a fan of Tom Holland's Spider-Man movies, being so far the only movies I've seen along with Avengers: Endgame and Civil War!!

My main question about the MCU is why the movies are divided into sagas/phases and how are they divided (for example, why Spider-Man: No Way Home is not part of the Infinity Saga instead of the Multiverse saga; I don't expect an answer to this rhetorical question that serves as an example). How do they determine them? Do they take inspiration from specific comics for each of these movies (or even the separation into sagas and phases)? And what exactly do these phases represent? I would appreciate an answer please, thank you very much!!

Then Bucky and Sam would fight on who will be the next Captain America in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Then Iron Man will get his own 4th movie like Thor. Or Iron Man might be in Doctor Strange 2.

White is for Dr. Strange 2, Green is for Loki Seaosn 2, Red is Daredevil, Blue is Gotg, and Pink is Thunderbolts. @IronWidowMaikuB poor werewolf by night @RJ Plotner

It seems how to fix and make the projects seem worth it, phase 4, Wandavision has the trilogy of Agatha and vision quest that fixed the plot hole of Billy and Tommy existing in the multiverse, falcon and winter soldier gave us John walker :), Loki was amazing but man why 616 still, what if fixes the logic of different types of tome travel by retroactively applying the magic and science seen as being the same from Thor, Hawkeye started the rise of kingpins power in a post blip world.

Moon knight is liked enough, Ms marvel is our first mutant without multiverse, she hulk gave us a taste of daredevil, werewolf by night helped showed Micheal Giacchino still has the skill, gotg special is cute.

Black widow is the start of your fave arc of the mcu @IronWidowMaikuB shang chi allowed for Spidey to have good consistent choreography for spider man 4, eternals gave us adamantiumn, no way home shows the true potential of balanced and well used fan service, Dr strange 2 fixed plothole of Wanda’s children existing through Agatha, Thor introduced the necrosword which comics wise came from Knull, and Wakanda forever is heartfelt :)

Ant man 3 is still important as it mentioned incursions, gotg 3 will hold up quality wise, marvels is loved by iron too maybe cause of beast, Deadpool 3 is fixed with what if on there can be two Lauras lol remember what if episode 4 with the two stranges? Brave new world has the leader, thunderbolts pay off ideas from black widow.

Secret invasion . . . Loki season 2 is more loved :), what if season 2 is the first to acknowledge Loki, echo is a good transition of getting the grim tone of daredevil, Agatha fixes Dr strange 2, apparently what if season 3 fixed strange, the spiderman show may have something more to it, you never know lol, daredevil has the people behind punisher and the most loved Disney plus show, iron heart seems promises after what if season 3.

@RJ Plotner

Mine are:

-The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

-Loki

-Spider-Man No Way Home

-Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3

-Deadpool & Wolverine

I feel like The Multiverse should've been mentioned in Eternals to connect with the Phase 4 and Multiverse Saga same with Shang-Chi and Black Widow.

Just first 4, since 5th is not over yet. This is how I would rank them:

1. Phase 3

2. Phase 4

3. Phase 2

4. Phase 1

I think majority of the projects are good and overhated. To me the worst ones are Secret Invasion and Ms. Marvel.

Without being called a shill. Seriously MCU still gives us good projects, and let's not pretend like first 2 phases were super perfect.

Of the few Marvel series I've seen so far, Moon Knight is by far my favorite. Not only is the lore amazing, but effects are just great to watch.

Part of what draws me to Moon Knight is the connection to Egyptian mythology. One of my biggest fandoms happens to include the Riordanverse, and I loved reading the Kane Chronicles trilogy. It's interesting to see a different interpretation of how these ancient gods would interact with the mortal world.

Another thing that I liked was how well they pulled off Marc's and Steven's split personalities. I mean, it's an awesome idea, having a DID guy (or would it be guys?) try to be a superhero and stuff.

Plus, I suppose, the familar face. I not all the knowledgeable when it comes to actors/celebrities, but I do happen to know a few. Particularly Star Wars and Marvel actors, which Oscar Issac's been in both (he's like one of 4 actors to appear in both Star Wars and the MCU, lol).

Also, anyone know if we're ever going to get a follow-up on that 3rd personality thing that's going on? Like, a Season 2 or something?

Please be respectful towards other people's opinions.

Here's mine:

WandaVision 7.5/10

TFATWS 8/10

Loki Season 1 8/10

Black Widow 8/10

What If...? Season 1 8/10

Shang-Chi 8/10

Eternals 7/10

Hawkeye 7/10

Spider-Man No Way Home 8.5/10

Moon Knight 8/10

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 7.5/10

Ms. Marvel 6/10

Thor Love and Thunder 7.5/10

She-Hulk 6.5/10

Werewolf by Night 8/10

Black Panther Wakanda Forever 8/10

The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special 7/10

Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania 7.5/10

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 8.5/10

Secret Invasion 5.5/10

Loki Season 2 8.5/10

The Marvels 7/10

What If...? Season 2 7/10

Echo 7/10

Deadpool & Wolverine 10/10

Agatha All Along so far 7/10

I used to dismiss the rumours of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield in no way home but when I saw the film and Andrew Garfield appeared I was like What?! And when Tobey Maguire appeared I was again like a big WHAT?!

Yall might be wondering why I think so, well, I am going to tell you many reasons about it & But before I say it, I am going to take Phase 4 & 5 cuz they made Marvel's downfall....

So let's now start:

1. Goofy Comdey Scenes: Many may think why am I taking this reason at No.1, well this is the reason why it made Ben 10 Reboot flop, so similarly, in Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantmania & Thor: Love & Thunder, they also showed very goofy ah Comdey scenes, which caused those movies to flop.

2. Merchandising: So, yall know why She-Hulk's MCU Version is being hated, cuz she is different from her Comics Counterpart, in the Comics, the She-Hulk comics was for adults but the TV Show is PG-13, cuz She-Hulk's Comics Moments are very adultish, not suitable for children, so, they made her friendly in the Series which made it PG-13 which also caused the Merchandise to sell very well & It was the same case with Reboot, since the other 4 series of the Ben 10 franchise was not suitable to children & Merchandise did not sell well, that's why Reboot was created & the Series's Merchandise did sell very good aswell

3. Wastage of Characters/Aliens: This also caused the Reboot & MCU to flop, Take Gorr for example (MCU), since his look was not Comic accurate & got him killed at the end, this disappointed the audience. You can also take Alien X for example (Ben 10: Reboot), Alien X is considered as the most powerful Alien of the Ben 10 verse, he recreated the universe in Ben 10: Omniverse, even defeated Galactic Gladiator & Defeated the Rooters but in the Reboot....... HE LITERALLY GOT DEFEATED BY STREET LEVEL ALIENS!!!!!

4 (Final). Wastage of Villians: They both even wasted villians, like take Kevin for an example (Reboot), in the Classic Continuity, he's an Osmosian, but in the Reboot, he has Antitrix (which I think wasted his characteristics a little), now take M.O.D.O.K for example (MCU), in the Comics, he was very evil & caused many problems to the Avengers (same case with the Animated shows), but in the MCU, M.O.D.O.K looks like a jokish character & M.O.D.O.K decided to betray Kang & be on Ant-Man's Side.

But it's just my opinion/thoughts, what do you think?

This doesn’t include characters that weren’t in the infinity saga technically so no daredevil or also characters that came from an oustide franchise like goblin or electro or Andrew Garfield. Mine is definitely Mobius.

What do you think should have been a film or more likely a special to spend less time without sacrificing story?

I can’t find any.