Because Deadpool and X-Men used to be 21st Century Fox property, did they work with Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige to make sure that Deadpool 3 was as R-rated as the first two?
Because Deadpool and X-Men used to be 21st Century Fox property, did they work with Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige to make sure that Deadpool 3 was as R-rated as the first two?
Brother Voodoo, also known as Jericho Drumm, is one of Marvel’s most culturally rich characters, deeply rooted in Haitian history, spirituality, and voodoo traditions. His story is directly tied to Haiti’s unique influence in the Caribbean and the Americas, making cultural authenticity essential in bringing him to life on screen. The character’s background is not just a plot device but a reflection of a real and powerful belief system that deserves accurate representation in the MCU.
Casting an actor of Haitian descent would ensure the role is portrayed with the depth and authenticity it demands. Jimmy C. Jules, an actor with Haitian roots, has worked on projects involving voodoo themes, giving him firsthand experience with the cultural elements that define Brother Voodoo. As a lesser-known actor, he also presents Marvel with the opportunity to sign a long-term contract while ensuring the character is represented with the respect he deserves.
I saw more of this topic on a Marvel Reddit post. Read more Here.
(I wrote this essay over the course of an hour last night when I had time to kill. The Wi-Fi in my area was cut out, so some parts might not be completely accurate. What follows is my best attempt to explain if Marvel Studios is doomed or not.)
Is Marvel Studios Doomed?
Answer: It’s complicated.
The MCU wasn’t always planned to be what it was today. It was originally a bunch of separate superhero movies detailing the origins of Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, and Thor. The plan was that, if the first five films did well, then maybe they could cross them all over for the first ever Avengers film.
And they did. And it worked so well that Marvel decided to expand. Adapting more comics storylines, they introduced characters like Falcon and the Winter Soldier into the mix, as well as a 7 season show about the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Feeling confident, Marvel adapted the little-known team of the Guardians of the Galaxy into a film, which became a huge hit. They soon added Ant-Man, the Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver into the mix, while also creating villains like Yellowjacket, Ultron, Ronan, Alexander Pierce, and Malekith. They also created several shows about street-level heroes like Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Iron Fist, who crossed over in the Defenders team-up. Naturally, with all these successes, there was bound to be a flop, and so came about Inhumans. The show was quickly cancelled, and was therefore little more than a footnote in the cinematic universe that was slowly being crafted. Marvel continued on, undisturbed.
Marvel decided to expand. In 2016, they broke up the Avengers with Captain America: Civil War, a movie which had wide-reaching repercussions for the rest of the MCU to come. They continued to introduce a flood of new characters, such as Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Mantis, Captain Marvel, and Valkyrie, and new villains like Ego, Killmonger, Dormammu, Hela, and the Vulture. Perhaps the most important character to them, however, was Spider-Man, whom they had recently made a deal about with Sony to use in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Soon, Marvel released Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame to incredible success. This success came at a great cost, however, as they had killed off several characters in the process, such as Black Widow, Captain America, Gamora, Loki, Vision, and Iron Man. Several of these deaths, Marvel would soon come to regret, leading to the resurrections of half of these characters in later installments.
After the ridiculous financial success of Phases 1, 2, and 3, Marvel broadened their reach to include more franchises, more heroes, and more moneymaking movies. And it worked, at first. Despite Black Widow not making anything at the box office due to the pandemic, TV shows like Loki, WandaVision, and What If…? became household names. Spider-Man: No Way Home was practically perfect, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings was beautiful, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was heartbreaking, and Moon Knight was wonderfully psychedelic. Several of Marvel’s other products, however, left much to be desired.
Marvel’s strategy to continue the success of the Infinity Saga hinged on one strategy: to keep making movies the same way as before. This strategy became known as the “Marvel mold”, and it was because of this mold that films that broke it (i.e. Deadpool and Wolverine, No Way Home, Shang-Chi) were especially well recieved.
While Marvel’s movies mostly stayed within the mold, its TV shows broke it completely. The shows explored complex concepts and emotions such as grief, abuse, guilt, revenge, hope, loyalty, and love, and broke barriers for Marvel in the process.
Marvel’s movies during Phases 4 and 5 were largely hit-or-miss. While the only truly inadequate Infinity Saga movies were The Incredible Hulk and (debatably) Thor: The Dark World, Marvel was unable to hack it with Eternals, completely lost their sense of place with Love and Thunder, failed to regain that sense with The Marvels, and churned out a series of inadequate Marvel mold-like finales for otherwise great shows, such as The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Ms. Marvel, which finally culminated in the first huge Marvel failure.
Secret Invasion, a show which subverted everything Marvel had done up until that point, somehow managed to kill off Maria Hill, invalidate Rhodey’s character arc during Endgame and onwards, and destroy everything that made Skrulls redeemable, all in one fell swoop. For the first time, Marvel had actually done something truly terrible, and everyone knew it.
Marvel began to realize that they were facing a problem, and so sought to solve it using a weapon of their own creation: the post-credits teaser. Trying to create as many plotlines as they could to continue audience interest, Marvel ended up leaving two-thirds of post-credits scenes from Phases 4 and 5 left completely unresolved. Leaving ridiculously high amounts of dangling plot threads with characters like Venom, Eros, Clea, Jake Lockley, and Hercules, Marvel painted themselves into a corner as the unattended plot threads started to box them (and their future stories) in.
Of course, despite their shortcomings, Marvel was still a huge financial success. They had bought the rights to the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and Blade, and they were bigger than ever. Even if some movies didn’t meet box-office standards, Marvel was still a huge company gaining mountains of profit all the time. As long as the studio kept releasing new content, the fans would be satisfied.
Or so the studio thought.
In reality, Marvel Studios had lost its spot as a household name, and Disney was still billions of dollars in debt. The studio’s movies were dismissed as passing thoughts rather than the cinematic events they used to be, and they were primarily remembered for the Infinity Saga and not much else. They had nowhere to go, so they turned back to their greatest success: Endgame.
Marvel decided to continue on the “let’s just do what we did last time” tradition, creating a two-part finale for the “Multiverse Saga”: Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, with both films directed yet again by the Russo Brothers. While using Loki and Quantumania to set up Kang the Conquerer as an admittedly perfect villain for the story they were trying to tell, Kang’s actor, Jonathan Majors, was jailed and fired from his job at Marvel Studios. Rather than recast Kang, Marvel decided to take a different direction and reroute the entire phase to set up Doctor Doom as the main antagonist.
Just a couple months ago, Robert Downey Jr. was announced as Doctor Doom, and Chris Evans was cast in an undisclosed role. This, combined with the very nature of the multiverse, creates an issue that Marvel Comics has faced for years:
Nobody stays dead.
Sure, characters die. They’re stabbed through the chest, or maybe choked. Maybe they fall screaming into a black hole, or maybe they were shot in the heart in dramatic slow-motion. Heck, they might even die of old age. Whatever the case, these characters just can’t stay dead. It’s a problem that Marvel Comics continues to have, and one that the MCU is starting to adopt.
Phil Coulson was resurrected in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. after his apparent death in The Avengers at the hands of Loki, marking the first time in the MCU that a character was brought back to life after their actual, real death.
It wouldn’t be the last.
In WandaVision, Vision was brought back in the body of White Vision. He attacked Soul Vision before leaving Westview, and will reappear in the as-of-yet-unnamed series Vision Quest. Gamora died after being sacrificed by Thanos during the Infinity War, but a variant of her from 2014 was brought into Earth-616 during Endgame, while the exact same happened for Thanos after his death early on in Endgame. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Bucky fell off a train in The First Avenger. Nick Fury was shot in The Winter Soldier. Half of all MCU characters died in Infinity War and were later resurrected in Endgame. Zeus was brought back in Love and Thunder. Red Skull was revealed to have survived being blasted into space by the Tesseract in Infinity War. Darren Cross returned as M.O.D.O.K.. Loki seemingly died several times before his permanent death at the hands of Thanos. However, that wasn’t the end, as an alternate version was brought back in Loki, and took control of the entire multiverse. The Ancient One is revealed in What If…? to be able to make herself an actual ghost if need be. Agatha Harkness became a real ghost. Billy Maximoff also became a ghost, and then used his ghost powers to put himself into the body of a teen who died. Then he did the exact same thing for his brother. Kingpin survived being shot in the eye. Thor and Marc Spector literally died twice.
And despite the amount of characters who died permanent deaths, there’s still a disturbingly high amount of characters who didn’t.
Maybe Robert Downey Jr. won’t be a Tony Stark variant. Maybe Chris Evans wasn’t cast as Steve Rogers. But it’s unlikely. Because, deep down, Marvel is starting to realize just how much trouble they’re in, and they’re continuing to reuse the old and rebrand it as the new as an attempt to salvage their profits.
The MCU isn’t doomed yet, though. They recently released the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time, and they’ve had several other box office successes as well. And if they can still manage to pull off Doomsday and Secret Wars, they might have a chance of continuing what they want to do. But of all their faults, the biggest one is quite simple: they forgot their own lesson.
After 17 years, and enough shows and movies to fill twenty complete Wikipedia articles about different ways to catalogue the shows and movies, Marvel needs to relearn the lesson taught to them by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby so many decades ago: With great power must also come great responsibility.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the resurrection of Phil Coulson was never a branched timeline from the MCU movies. It was always Sacred Timeline despite some naysayers.
The time travel plots in seasons 5 and 7 follow the same rules established by Loki, What If, and Avengers Endgame. In Loki stealing the Tesseract in Avengers Endgame leading to the Loki tv series branch timeline is basically on the same level as the destroyed earth timeline in season 5, which they prevented from happening when returning to the sacred timeline, thus still staying in the sacred timeline all through season 6, which can be easily explained that they survived the blip like Daredevil and Kingpin did, and then created more branched timelines in season 7 but returned to the sacred timeline through the quantum realm.
Also it's explained to us through the TVA instructional video that one decision different from the decision that was supposed to happen could lead to branches. If the team gave the super soldier serum to Coulson in order to save him in season 5, that would lead to the branch where the earth was destroyed. Daisy taking the serum and launching Talbot into space was what was supposed to happen on the sacred timeline, thus keeping them all tied to the sacred timeline.
Also, if the earth was destroyed, how would the events of Avengers Endgame and all the rest of the Phases 4 and 5 events happen? They wouldn't happen, so Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. basically saved the earth so the future events we saw happened.
This how you can Very Extremely Easily fit Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter into the sacred timeline.
My favorite MCU Superhero Uniform is the EXO-7 Falcon!
What is your favorite MCU Superhero Uniform?
So this just happened...on Instagram, the official Daredevil account posted this in their stories...
Just lemme know in the comments section below! And don't hesitate to also include (a) picture(s) of who you're talking about for those who might not know who they are. I'll tell you mine when I think it's time.
Honestly I feel like he can direct a Solo MCU movie introducing a new Main Character or an ensemble film featuring a new team adapted from Marvel Comics. I'm fine if he directed a Non-MCU Movie by another film studio in the future.
https://screencrush.com/deadpool-and-wolverine-sequel/
This news may be five days old, but I'm glad that they're trying to find ways to get the Merc-with-a-Mouth on board again.
Tomorrow is the start of the Disney D23 Expo 2024 and... There's pretty not much to say about this event this time around. At the last D23 back in 2022, we were given new information on several MCU films and TV shows such as Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Ironheart, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Loki, Echo, Secret Invasion and The Marvels, but since Marvel is only focusing on it's animation projects at this year's D23, it could be possible that they may not reveal that much since the San Diego Comic Con just recently happened. We were given our first look at the Thunderbolts team via concept art at D23 2022, so maybe we could either get some more concept art of Thunderbolts* and maybe a first look at Sentry or maybe a teaser of sorts (hey, anything can happen since Marvel Studios had concept art of Doctor Strange at the 2015 Expo) There are other predictions I have, but their not Marvel-related so I'll leave it off to you. What do you think Marvel will reveal at this year's D23 Expo?
With all the various comic arcs that the M.C.U. has been known to adapt and sometimes mix together to accommodate its own storytelling styles and settings, I've been wondering if there are any in particular that you wish Marvel Studios would consider for future entries that they haven't yet, and if you're disappointed if they won't adapt any certain storylines as well. Feel free to let me know in the comments section below! Just to make a friendly fan-to-fan conversation. It could be about any character, team, or film.
So I read an article on comic book resources (CBR) that there’s a rumor that the MCU’s incarnation of the X-Men will take inspiration from the Earth-1610 version of the team, and If that’s the case I'm thinking here’s some ideas FOR Example:
1.) should also take inspiration from X-Men evolution as well:
TEACHERS/ADULTS:
Professor X
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Beast
Wolverine
Storm
Angel
TEENAGERS:
Iceman
Shadowcat
Nightcrawler
Colossus
2.) Iceman should be gay instead of Colossus.
3.) Colossus & ShadowCat should have an on-again and off-again relationship
4.) I would love to see the Shi'ar Empire stay true to their cosmic Roots.
5.) if Cable ever appears, He should Be Nathan Summers not a Futuristic Wolverine!
So Marvel Studios didn’t do their usual slate. They didn’t update phase 5 to include Deadpool & Wolverine and other titles and Didn’t reveal phase 6. I liked this panel, but I would’ve liked that! D23 is said to focus more on the TV shows but does anyone think we’ll get an official slate then?
Here is a list of my ranking of all the MCU movies/shows/special presentations including Deadpool & Wolverine!!! I plan to update this list to include the one shots and with a rewatch of the MCU at some point to see if my ranking changes, but let me know what you think about my ranking!
(RANKED from BEST TO WORST)
WandaVision
Deadpool & Wolverine
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Infinity War
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Captain America: Civil War
The Avengers
Werewolf by Night
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Loki
Moon Knight
Captain Marvel
Hawkeye
Black Panther: Wakanda forever
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
Ms. Marvel
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
She Hulk: Attorney-at-Law
Eternals
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Iron Man
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: The First Avenger
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Shang Chi and the legend of the 10 rings
Black Panther
Echo
Thor: Love and Thunder
Ant-Man
Thor
The Falcon and the Winter Solider
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
What If…?
Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion
I am groot
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Thursday, July 25
6:30pm PST in Hall H: Marvel Studios: The Ultimate Deadpool and Wolverine Celebration of Life
For the first time, Marvel is kicking off Comic-Con weekend with a Hall H panel on Thursday, July 25, at 6:30pm PT. Marvel Studios fans won’t want to miss Marvel Studios: The Ultimate Deadpool and Wolverine Celebration of Life. Fans can register for a chance to reserve a seat HERE.
Friday, July 26
3:00pm – 4:00pm PST in Room 6DE: MARVEL FANFARE WITH C.B. CEBULSKI & KEVIN FEIGE
Marvel masters collide in an unprecedented meeting of page and screen! Join Marvel Comics Editor in Chief C.B. Cebulski and Marvel Studios’ President Kevin Feige (along with other guests as they discuss Marvel storytelling across comics and films) as they discuss their mutual love for all things Marvel Comics along with some special surprise creators. With decades of creative storytelling at the House of Ideas between them, there will be no shortage of insider insights and unheard comic book anecdotes that you can’t afford to miss. And if that wasn’t enough – following the discussion, fans will receive an exclusive giveaway comic!
Saturday, July 27
6:00pm – 7:00pm PST in Hall H: Marvel Studios Hall H Presentation
Marvel Studios president and producer Kevin Feige and special guests provide an inside look at the ever-expanding Marvel Cinematic Universe. The event will be sharing all the latest news about the Marvel Cinematic Universe directly with fans in a can’t miss dive into the MCU!
When Marvel Studios first started releasing their original content on Disney+, I noticed something, especially when I first saw Loki back in 2021, it didn't have anything Marvel in it. Now don't get me wrong. Loki (keep in mind that I grew up watching the animated Marvel shows on Disney XD and that is how I know my Marvel stuff) didn't feel like something Marvel made, it feels like something else. While I do know that the characters in the show do appear in the comics (ex. Mobius M. Mobius) as well as the TVA, they are minor characters and settings in the Marvel comics. But when I saw the first teaser trailer for Agatha All Along yesterday, it also didn't feel like Marvel, it felt something made by someone else or Disney. Why is that? Both Loki and Agatha All Along don't feel like Marvel (at least in my opinion)
I guess is what I'm saying is that people who watch Marvel content and those who are fans of Marvel recognize the more popular Marvel characters such as Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Wolverine (because we're almost to the release of Deadpool & Wolverine) and various others such as Doctor Strange and the Avengers, but sometimes the lesser-known Marvel characters aren't really that popular or as well-known with Marvel fans hence the reason why Marvel Studios is using lesser-known characters and using them for their content. This may be the case with both Loki and Agatha All Along. But what do you think? 💬 🤔 Do you think that either Loki or Agatha All Along don't have anything Marvel in them? Let me know down below 👇
Don't you all think it'd be mind-blowing if the Marvel Cinematic Universe were to do a film series or television program based on the Marvel: Ultimate Alliance video game series?
Because let's face it, it's not like Sony was really doing anything worthwhile with the Spider-Man properties anyway. They'd be better off housed at the MCU where they belong.
It seemed super predictable and not worth the hype to me
I feel like it was very unnecessary and honestly poorly executed by directors