Loki (TV series)/Season One

I've been wondering this for a long time, was the Multiverse created at the end of Loki s1 or not? Like, from Kang's story, the Multiverse has always existed, but if that's the case, then what was the purpose of the TVA? Maybe this question was answered in Loki s2 but I haven't watched it yet (yes, I'm way behind on the MCU) and the only time I watched s1 was in 2021 at its release, so maybe all this text could be avoided if I simply watched it again

At The End Of Time, we learn that anyone can be there to watch over time and the multiverse. We saw He Who Remains watching over time and the universe, but also controlling it with everyone in time, including the TVA at The End Of Time. We then see Loki going to The End Of Time and now watches over the multiverse and time, but instead of controlling it, he's giving everyone free will.

Which leads to my question, before He Who Remains took control of the sacred timeline, before the multiversal war with the Kang variants, and before the Kang variants discovered the multiverse, was there anyone watching over time and the multiverse before He Who Remains?

Also, I have a theroy for Avengers: Doomsday that the next one that will be at The End Of Time is Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom (RDJ), which could be how he becomes God Emperor Doom and how he creates BattleWorld, and it could he how Doctor Doom wins like how Thanos won in Avengers: Infinity War

So if it’s all one story, one specific way of how it’s supposed to go, then how are they’re still alternate realities and variants? Because the TVA used to prune all of the branches that started growing, so then there would only be one timeline.

Do they feature any exclusive content not seen online legally through their official sources? Do you have all 4 so far, and which show will be next or even want next?

I love Loki's character.

He is my favorite in the MCU.

But, the second season is feeling a bit... off.

He was never really a villain, if you ignore his taking-over-the-world phase, he was a classical anti-hero.

And it suited him just great. he was never meant to be a noble hero, like his brother, but it looks like Marvel are having a hard time making a solo series about a guy who isn't absolutely good.

Through Loki's journey, he definitely became a better person, untill he was almost completely a pure hero by the time Thor: Ragnarock was over.

And that is, if you ask me, is where it should have stopped.

A hero, but not a cheesy peace-and-love kind of guy, which is what he became.

In the series, you could maybe forget it, till we see president Loki who reminds us how much Loki has changed.

He was supposed to be... well, a loveable selfish as*hole.

Maybe it's good that he calmed down a little, got his hair to stop looking weird, but this is just too much.

I still love the character, I just feel like they turned him into something he's not.

Opinions?

To start, how did hydra not get the tesseract in the main timeline, did hulk make them afraid that if they tried fighting back then they would be killed by the hulk?

Next I like how it fixed a big plot hole with why main timeline Loki didn’t revert back to his ice giant form, because it showed that his file didn’t actually end before Thor held his body but after the explosion

What other shows or specials are most likely to get one in the future basically what Disney plus Mcu installments are most likely to go physical?

I’ve been watching the Marvel Cinematic Universe in chronological order. The next things I need to watch are Spider-Man No Way Home and the Loki series. I’m not quite ready to watch No Way Home because I would like to watch the venom movies first. So my question is, can I start watching Loki before watching No Way Home? If I’m watching chronologically it says I should watch No Way Home first; so I guess my real question is, does anything happen in No Way Home that will effect the Loki series? Thanks and sorry for the long explanation!

Would it not be more accurate to list the moments where he's disappearing as teleportation rather than just "presence manipulation?" It's phrased more so as if he's just turning invisible to give off the appearance of teleportation rather than simply just being able to do it, which feels inaccurate as in the finale, Loki gets repelled backwards from a magic projectile from Sylvie but is then able to materialize between her and He Who Remains at the last second which I doubt he was able to just naturally do in a concealed form.

For me it's Moon Knight, yeah, WandaVision did suck at the end but at least the first few episodes were good, Loki was mediocre but silly and enjoyable, but you cannot get rid of a masterpiece like Daredevil, season 1 is a banger. But Moon Knight is just, bleh in my opinion. Don't get me wrong Oscar Isaac is a good actor, but it was just a downright bad show. It's basically Layla (Ugh) saving a literal demigod from Ethan Hawke and an alligator goddess (Gosh, I know Ammit in mythology is supposed to be an alligator, but they made her silly in Moon knight) Plus a bunch of nobodies were shoved in our face and the Scarlet Scarab is a female for... reasons?

Let me know your thoughts.

So I was thinking: What is a cool thing Marvel can do when the new Doctor Strange movie comes out on DVD, Blu-Ray and Digital? And then I thought about the MULTIVERSAL SAGA COLLECTION!

The collection exists out of:

-Doctor Strange (2016)

-WandaVision Season 1 (2021)

-Loki Season 1 (2021)

-Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)

-Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness (2022)

I also had an idea for the trailer. Just open the trailer with epic shots from MoM and Wong saying: "You opened a doorway between universes and you don't know who or what will walk throught it" and then use the MoM Second Trailer Music. Maybe put the Peters Pointing in the Midtown lab as a joke inside it. So you'll see shots and quotes from all of the movies included. I already have a entire scenario for it in my head and maybe I'll tell you guys later something about it but for now this is it...

So what do you guys think about a Collection of these movies? Should I also included What If...? Season 1? Should they have to make this for after Loki Season 2, What If...? Season 2 and Ant-Man And The Wasp: Quantummania? Let me know your thoughts here below.

And for the mods especially: Please please please don't delete this post, I really want to share this with you guys. I didn't shared any spoilers about Multiverse Of Madness, right?

Just a thought that came across my mind. I feel like it would be the kind of thing that would be outside of time (like the TVA).

Another thought: In Moon Knight, does the Duat take place outside of time?

-76158 Spider-Man At The Sanctum Workshop (Spider-Man: No Way Home)

-76108 Sanctum Sanctorum Showdown (Avengers: Infinity War)

-71031 Marvel Studios Series (WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, What If...?)

Let me know what your favorite sets are! If possible, pls post a photo and/or set number, then I know which set you mean!

In Loki Season 1, Episode 4, Loki asks “Is this ___?”

My question is does he say “Is this Hell?” Or “Is this Hel?”

Does anyone know if the events of “What If…?” takes place in the main MCU? Probably after Loki season 1 because of branching realities. But then when does Loki Season 1 take place, either after The Avengers in 2012 or just 2023.

Please help.

this might have to be broken up into parts. spoilers obviously.

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I love loki, o truly do. I think its a great series, the actors and story line are great, and the set is amazing, but there are alot of things about it that annoy me.

first off, the 'representation.' A common saying in film goes 'if they don't die on screen then their not dead,' and this applies to other things too. When sylvie and loki are on the train that won't escape the planet, loki and sylvie talk about romance. Loki says he likes 'princesses and princes' insinuating he's bi. this is the ONLY line about it. it really felt like a way to get a few extra brownie points from the starved fans. Listen, its great that he's canonically bi, great, but since their is no one screen proof, it doesn't feel legit. If they had made it more important, and tied it in better, maybe it would have worked. if my sources are correct, the scene where loki goes in the time loop was possibly going to be between him and an ex lover, not sif. I think this would've been a good idea, although the sif idea is great on its own. Going along with the need for brownie points from fans, or just general lacking, loki is described as gender fluid. Cool, right? It would be, if it was mentioned at all! the only proof in the loki series of this is in the first episode credits, which some fans may have skipped, including myself. The problem with this is that all characters around loki call him a he, and a man. If you were to look at this show alone, no outside sources, no credit scenes, no extra media, I don't think it would be easy, even possible to tell that he is. This show has so much potential, and I hope in season 2 they use it, and they show what fans have been waiting for.

next, end game pairing, end game as in 'official last pairing.' If you've seen the show, you know that loki and sylvie get together in the end, have a kiss scene and all that. Now, on surface level, it seems fine and dandy, but its kinda weird when you think about it. 1, they technically have the same parents, just from different universes. still, that's the same parents, their parents are copies of eachother. Marvel says that 'they lived separate experiences' but that really doesn't change anything. Siblings that never met can't just start dating (if they knew they were siblings), that would just be weird. they had different life experiences, sure, but that doesn't change that they have teh same parent(s). if you look past that, its still just annoying. Sylvie was a main character girl, and if you know how stories tend to go, they tend to end up with the main character dudes. This is such an old way of thinking, and takes away from sylvies character, she was such a strong character, and to be written in just to be in love with her practically sibling is just gross.

I could rant for ages about it, but I should probably stop it here, thanks for anyone who actually took the time to read it.

(edit: I'm to tired rn, but I noticed it was hypocrital to complain about characters using he/him on loki when thats what I did for the whole rant, I'm gonna change it, don't worry, but rn its like 10 at night so.)

Yea, I know that it's been over a month, but I don't care.

Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first.

Alright, it's pretty stupid that they got rid of free will in this show. Every time a character makes a tough decision, fails, or sacrifices themself, it's all because immortus manipulated the timeline to be that way. Remember when yondu sacrificed himself to save peter quill? That was immortus. Remember when captain america refused to fight his best friend bucky? Immortus did that. Remember when tony stark sacrificed himself to save the universe, completing his arc from being a careless weapons dealer? If you look hard enough, you can see that was immortus in a Halloween costume!

Alright, then there's the fact that loki is all of a sudden concerned for other people's lives after stabbing his own brother and attempting to invade a planet. True, loki evantually became a good guy, but that took multiple movies and even then he was never 100% good.

And then there's the forced ince- I mean romance between loki and lady lo- I mean sylvie. it seems kind of forced that loki would care for someone this quickly when he doesn't trust anyone at this point. Again, this is the same guy who was psychologically torturing natasha a few days ago by listing off atrocities she committed before becoming part of shield before threatening to make hawkeye kill her slowly and painfully. Yea, this is the same guy who gets concerned for a bunch of people on lamentis that are about to die just 2 days later.

Loki has been nerfed. He doesn't conjure up knives, he gets defeated by a normal person with a stick, gets wrecked by sylvie in an alabama man's body, and gets outfoxed by the tva despite being the literal god of trickery.

Ok, now the good things.

Mobius was good.

END OF PRAISE.

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