He Is Marvels Jekyll And Hyde
He Is Marvels Jekyll And Hyde
I notice that's there's one specific villain in Phase 4 and in Phase 5 so far that we're well written and were the best in their Phases. I know that there were some other ones too, but these 2 villains were like MCU Infinity Saga villain writing I've never seen in a long time.
For Phase 4: It was the Green Goblin in Spider Man: No Way Home. We saw how Green Goblin was normal as Norman Osborn, but then we see how scary he is as Green Goblin, and how much of a villain he is.
For Phase 5 for far: It was the High Evolutionary in Guardains Of The Galaxy Vol 3. How he treated Rocket and the other animals as if they were nothing was so mean and sad. And how try to change them when he hated things the way they were was so sad. And he fit perfectly in Rocket's origin story. And we all saw how much of a villain the High Evolutionary is.
Now finally, for Phase 6, I hope that this next villain is also gonna be well written in a Infinity Saga type as the Thanos level villain and will be the best villain in Phase 6.
For Phase 6: I hope that it's Doctor Doom for Fantastic Four, if he does appear in it. And in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. I hope he gets written as the Thanos level villain. And I hope that this Doctor Doom we're gonna get is better than the 2015 Doctor Doom and the 2000's Doctor Doom. And I have a good feeling he will, since the writter for Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame is doing Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. And the Russo Brothers are coming back to direct those two movies too, so I have a good feeling that they'll do Doctor Doom good 👍
My top 3 favorites
🥇): Green Goblin (No Way Home)
🥈): Wen Wu (Shang Chi)
🥉): Namor (Black Panther 2)
Phase 4:
- Green Goblin (Spider Man: No Way Home)
Phase 5:
- [For now] The High Evolutionary (Guardains Of The Galaxy Vol 3)
Phase 6:
- [Hopefully] Doctor Doom (Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars)
If the rumors are true about the MCU version of Green Goblin appearing in Spider Man 4, then I hope Green Goblin survives and Val meets Norman Osborn and Norman becomes the Iron Patriot
Another exhibit with actual props from the MCU (and SPUMC I guess).
Also, I had no idea the team behind Far From Home used physical props to create the end credits sequence. Very cool.
I'm surprised it took more than 3 years for me to return to this topic, but alas, I wanted to do this again. Feel free to discuss the merits of each assessment at the end. Once again, I'll only be focusing on the main villain or antagonist(s) of each project.
Scarlet Witch (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness)
Whereas Strange has a more sacrificial approach to life, having accepted he won't marry Christine and putting his life and others at risk during the Blip, Wanda's constant losses have drawn her to be more proactive in her search for her own goals, even if they tend to be on the more selfish side.
Green Goblin (Spider-Man: No Way Home)
Speaking of selfish, the Goblin's god complex and disregard for innocent lives is the complete anthesis to Peter. While at various points Spider-Man does wish to neglect help to the villains, he is ultimately morally obliged to help, even more so than his variants
Namor (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever)
While the first movie pitted the King against against "common man", movie two makes this a War of Kings, or more closely, a war of Heirs. Namor reflect not just Shuri's desire for vengeance against an unfair reality, but is a shadow of T'Challa.
While T'Challa was very much a man of his people, even talking a stroll with them, Namor is deified. He is alone even among his own people. And his status as the orphaned child seeking revenge is all too similar to Killmonger.
Kang (Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania)
In a way, Kang has the stature Scott wishes he had. In the Quantum Realm, Kang is feared by some, respected by others. He has power and is taken seriously. And nobody mistakes him for anyone else.
Taskmaster/Dreykov (Black Widow)
I'm putting these two together since one works as the physical threat and the other as the psychological one. But in the literal sense is the past coming back to haunt Nat.
Antonia's condition is Nat's worst case scenario, i.e. no autonomy. Dreykov's is the sense that she did nothing to change the system that forged her that day.
Gorr (Thor: Love and Thunder)
While not as serious as his comicbook counterpart, Gorr's mind snapped with the death of his child + learning the truth about his god. In that way, Gorr is a departure from the mythical villains of past films being the believer turned antitheist. And Gorr is the manifestation of Thor's insecurities, and his disappointment in the rest of the gods for not helping the world.
Anyone I've missed in these two that you'd want me to do next? Leave them below. Link for my previous analysis is also here, if you're interested in reading them.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/f/p/3300297438920854529
Let me start by saying that I love villains. Whether they are live action or animated, they are always a delight. And MCU villains, by the nature of being based on the comics, bring certain expectations to the audience that other genres may not necessarily have. But I want to talk about how Marvel Studios chooses their villains, because I’m strangely fascinated by it.
Some villains, such as Red Skull, Loki, Mandarin and other archenemies of the Avengers side of the universe, you would've expected to appear sometime in the MCU. And yet, they were mostly dispersed between phases. Loki and Red Skull appeared in Phase One along with the Abomination and Ross, and Phase Two had a version of the Mandarin and Ultron, and Phase Three gave us Zemo, but Phase Four got characters like Taskmaster and Green Goblin, with Phase Five having MODOK, the Hood, Kingpin and several others. So the recognizable villains have either been sparse or have been pushed to the Multiverse Saga.
What makes it more interesting is the kinds of characters they choose instead of having the iconic villains. Take for example, the Iron Man Trilogy, where 1 has Iron Monger (a good starter villain), 2 has Whiplash (a minor antagonist in the comics, but with sprinkles of Crimson Dynamo to add more abilities and story) and 3 got Aldrich Killian (a character who had the shortest lifespan of the three in the comics, but here gets superpowers and leadership of AIM no less). Glad Ant-Man didn’t repeat the formula, since they already had the bald start villain and the henchman in the comics main bad guy.
There’s also the minor villain in the comics turned big bad of a movie or show. Guys like Arthur Harrow, Kaecilius, the aforementioned Aldrich Killian, or even minor antagonists like Sonny Burch. But hey, it could’ve been worse, like Dreykov, an original character that was just a mention in The Avengers, that turned into the big bad of Black Widow.
Sure, some of these end up being composites of other villains, but it doesn’t help when James Gunn makes a character that is indeed recognizable as a silly villain, and turns him into a threatening planet sized enemy and into an interesting father for Peter, or Markus and McFeely turn Zemo from dad’s little cosplayer into the grief stricken destroyer of the Avengers.
What’s funnier to me is Good turned bad characters and vice versa. Here we have Nebula, Alexander Pierce, Talos, Agatha Harkness,Bill Foster, or the entire Black Widow family. I'm not considering Scarlet Witch, because she flip flops a lot in publishing. What makes this such an enigma is that there are several villains in Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, and others’ Rogues’ Galleries or Friend Groups to have to change them.
One thing I do respect though is the distillation of the villains. Both Black Panther and Spider-Man’s movie villains have this approach. Namor, Killmonger, Vulture and Mysterio’s backstories and looks are changed, but at their core are the same. Namor hates the surface world, Killmonger has vendetta towards the crown for what they did to his family, Vulture is resentful for his business venture failing, and Mysterio is an attention seeking diva.
And despite all of that, I do want to commend the artist and costume designers who created these villains. I love most of them, even if the characters are one note, especially since they bring the imaginative spirit from the comics, such as Kaecilius’ eye shadow or Killmonger’s Vegetta outfit. And some of these characters have been given more time to shine in the comics thanks to the limelight. Malekith and Killmonger being prime examples of this, and of course Loki’s redesign and attitude change can be blamed on his MCU popularity.
Suffice to say, I have a love-hate relationship with these characters. I can only hope Kang and his gang of Multiverse Saga misfits can continue improving the formula, and that we get more people interested in the characters.
I'd love to know what you think about these villains, if you have any thoughts!
Does anybody know if the More Fun Stuff version of Spider-Man: No Way Home will release on either DVD/Blu-Ray, on Demand, or the Streaming Service?
A couple of old TV shows and movies are now "canon" through the multiverse. I would like to know why they haven't been added to the wiki. These are:
Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire appears in NWH)
Spider-Man 2 (Tobey Maguire appears in NWH)
Spider-Man 3 (Tobey Maguire appears in NWH)
Spider-Man: The New Animated Series (In dif. universe, but includes Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man)
The Amazing Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield appears in NWH)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Andrew Garfield appears in NWH)
X-Men: The Animated Series (That version of Prof. X appears in MoM)
Spider-Man: The Animated Series (In the same universe as X-Men: The Animated Series)
Venom (Tom Hardy appears in NWH)
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (Tom Hardy appears in NWH)
Morbius (In same universe as Venom)
Just food for a thought.
The External shots from both Hawkeye and Sam Raimi's Spider-man use the same building, and since in NWH, Norman mentioned "Someone else in my House", I'm wondering can we safely assume it's intentional?
Maybe just mention it in the trivia section
Edit: I think I may have mixed the interior and exteriors, bottom line, I know I read somewhere that it was the same building
Hulk and Banner are not the same person, even if they stem from one. If Green Goblin-Osborn are considered cases of DiD, then why not them ?
I'd cast him for Green Goblin.
Vanity Fair released rough animation footage of the extended brige battle in Spider-Man: No Way Home where Peter fights the Goblin on the brige. It got cut from the movie (and instead they placed Goblin in an alley instead)! But should we add those screenshots to the wiki as a deleted scene or not? I think the one who can awnser my question the best is @MJLogan95 since he is doing all the screenshots for NWH (thank you for that, you have my respect), but everyone is free to awnser! :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GNFLdwvcJw
Here is the deleted scene (the official Varity Fair video is pretty long and you really have to search there for these 9 seconds of footage)!
Why did these screenshots get deleted? They're perfect, especially the 4th one! I know and understand the first three can't be added to galleries but at least let them stay at the wiki. I've worked 10/20 minutes to make and crop them!
New spoilery footage from No Way Home with Green Goblin!
I know this probably falls under the whole Editing Moratorium stuff but why didn't we add in their origin story in their "Biography" section?
Out of all the villains or enemies we have seen from trailers like all the sinister 6 who have been revealed who do you believe will be the biggest threat to Tom Holland’s spider-man.
This question excludes Doctor Strange if he were to turn out to be an enemy.