Defenders

I know I need to watch Daredevil and I've already watched Echo and She-Hulk but do I need to watch another show like The Punisher or Defenders or smth ?

With Kingpin mayor, and cracking down on vigilantes, here’s a list of heroes who may join with the of working together to take down the Kingpin.

Leader: Daredevil

Teammates: Echo

Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)

White Tiger

Potential: Spider-Man

Punisher

Bullseye

I know the actor who plays White Tiger is deceased, R.I.P., but the white tiger is a legacy character so I can see the next white tiger donning the costume in his honor. I know Spider-Man is a long-shot, however, with the Kingpin coming after vigilantes politically this could the chance to put the Kingpin on Spider-Man’s radar. Especially since Daredevil knows about him and could use his help. Punisher because he’s had run-ins with the Kingpin, however, based on his methods, Kingpin could also use him as a prime example of the necessity of his Anti-vigilante task force. Bullseye would be interesting working with Daredevil because of his past and since he has his own feud with the Kingpin, Bullseye could see with Daredevil as a means to an end. I’d be interested in seeing this dynamic

Just a bit confused as to if the Defenders saga is a part of the MCU as I already know that Daredevil/Matt Murdock is in the MCU and was wondering if it meant the same for the rest of the saga e.g. Jessica Jones, Iron fist, luke cage, punisher and the defenders show. My guess is that it is as I am currently watching Daredevil and have heard/seen multiple refrences to the Avengers and that Daredevil has appeared in Spider-man NWH and in She-Hulk.

Daredevil: We know all of them.

Jessica Jones: Echo because rumors and/or DD:BA because where else could I say.

Luke Cage: DD:BA, maybe in his own mini-arc as a crime boss Daredevil needs to go after without knowing it's Luke until halfway.

Iron Fist: Possibly in Shang-Chi 2, I don't want them to recast him or forget about him just because his show didn't do well.

Punisher: Thunderbolts, Armor Wars, Echo or DD:BA, but probably not all.

(I haven't finished JJ, IF, or TP yet)

Just finished rewatching the Defenders Saga and I forgot how many stories where left hanging, and I'm dying to find out how they will be adressed.

Few exemples :

-Crime boss Luke Cage (like what did he do since 2017 ?)

-Bullseye (where he at ?)

-Daughters of The Dragon (please give us another Wing/Knight team up)

-Colleen being the descendant of the first woman who became an Iron FIst

-The Orson Randall research

-Typhoid Mary and her association with Joy (what is she doing with Joy's connexions and influence ?)

And in universe, it's been 8 years since we last saw them, 3 if we consider that they all might have been blipped

I can't wait for the answers to come, specially considering Bullseye and Mary Walker

Okay so in the comics, Jessica Jones & Luke Cage 1 of the strongest married power couples & it is healthy along with being an interracial couple (which in the comics I can’t think of any straight interracial couple that is still together, so this is big). As a matter of fact, Luke after hearing he got Jessica pregnant wanted to become a family & she eventually said yes……….so why did they turn into some fling in the MCU? Be raised basically by a Black Panther (the irl group) I assume the worst but I really hope I’m missing something.

Was there like something behind the scenes that had this change happen?

I'm watching the Defenders saga. I started in February by watching Daredevil before it was going to get taken off Netflix and I got to around the middle of season 2 before it was taken off. Originally I was only going to watch Daredevil so instead of going onto Defenders I went to season 3 because I just wanted to watch Daredevil but after season 3 I wanted more.

I've watched Daredevil Seasons 1, 2, and 3, Jessica Jones Season 1, Luke Cage Season 1, Iron Fist Season 1, The Defenders, and I'm now on The Punisher Season 1 Episode 11.

My ranking so far is

8/7. Iron Fist Season 1 and Luke Cage Season 1

6. The Defenders

5. Daredevil Season 2

4. The Punisher Season 1 (as of episode 11)

3. Daredevil Season 1

2. Jessica Jones Season 1

1.  Daredevil Season 3

Iron Fist Season 1 isn't as wasn't as bad as people say it was, Luke Cage and Iron Fist are on the same level for me honestly.

Luke Cage Season 1 is a good show and I liked Cottonmouth and Shades but Diamondback I didn't really care about.

The Defenders was fun but it had more potential and it could've been better.

Daredevil Season 2 is great The Punisher was great, his entire backstory is amazing, at least for now (remember that). Elektra is fine but the Hand shouldn't have been as much of a focus as it was.

The Punisher Season 1 is great so far. Out of all the villains, so far Lewis is my favorite. He reminds me a lot of Bullseye, being mentally ill and going down the wrong path. I don't like that the Punisher's family dying is a consequence of something he did in Khandahar though. Micro is great and his entire story and his entire family's story are great.

Daredevil Season 1 is hard for me to review because it's long and I saw it half a year ago but it's excellent. Everything in the series just works. Karen, Foggy, and Matt are a perfect trio. Kingpin is an unstoppable force, anything they do, he counters harder, he owns everyone and if he doesn't they have to die. In the end, they beat Kingpin with the law and with Daredevil. It's amazing.

Jessica Jones Season 1 has Kilgrave as the main villain. What else do I have to say? It barely has any other villains other than Nuke for a little while. The way Kilgrave is beaten is a bit underwhelming but the rest was good. Jessica Jones is a good protagonist too. The most memorable part of the series for me is the scene in the music place with Luke Cage and Kilgreave.

Daredevil Season 3 is perfect. I honestly can't think of a bad thing about it. I could talk about it all day but I have stuff to do today so I can't now. If you haven't watched Daredevil, watched Daredevil, watch it, right now, go.

That was a lot of words.

In memory of the Kung Fu master Bruce Lee/

李振藩/李小龍 先生 49years ago our great martial artist and philosopher pass away.

(I wrote it yesterday30hours ago, sorry I didn't finish it at that time, so I missed his date...)

My English is not good, hope you never mind. If you watched the Defenders Saga then it will help you understand my ideas. There are some different sentences in the article, which should have been in italics Because I wrote this in my notes, after I copying them to here I can't restore them as they original are...

Phase 5

Shang-Chi 2 (Fists of Iron) subtitles

MCU time set in 2026

1. Xu ShangChi/徐尚氣&Xu XiaLing/徐夏玲 team up with Daniel Rand & Colleen Wing. They met because Danny found that the Hand and the Ten Rings had long-term cooperation in history. When Danny wiped out the rest of the Hand in Asia, He eventually traced them to Macao, and this time he still called the aggressive Colleen to assist him. Xia Ling come back to Golden daggers Club, run her businesses. ShangChi studied Mystic arts for months in the Hong Kong Sanctum, when he received his sister's call for help, he immediately open a portal...(10+2rings haha)

Imagine ShangChi shot the Rings hitting the glowing fist/Katana full of Chi, I guess the Rings will bounce off and Danny's Fist may ache faintly. If Finn Jones's Chinese level has improved, they may not have to fight.

( Here is another idea: Since Shang-Chi is often in Los Angeles, it will be cool to teamwork with the Runaways and Helstrom family to solve some supernatural problems. If MARVEL wants them back as a cameo. Of course, their better places to go are the Young Avengers and the Midnight sons.)

2. Ta Lo & K'un-Lun fall into crisis again. Suddenly, the mark of Shou-Lao on his chest starts glow and heat(of course, Wing's crane tattoo can't feel the sign), the dragon's face appeared in his mind and warn him of danger to the "disappeared" city K'un-Lun.

It's not 清明节/QingMing festival yet, so the portal in the bamboo forest is not open. But the Great Protector also can connect with ShangChi. (YingLi said:"尚氣，别怕，你有神龙之心。"Danny said:"me too! his heart was damn hot." )

Danny took out his phone and showed the satellite 3D image outside K'un-Lun gate in the himalayas, He asked Xu to take him there. When the four of them reached the gate on the mountain, Danny and Colleen don't know how to use their Chi to open the portal of Kun Lun. Danny hit the ground and the air in front of the door with his Iron Fists

Colleen even inserted the hers white light sword into the ground, ShangChi tried his magic, but it didn't work. Nothing changed except for the broken rock, they can't unlock this mysterious passageway, so they need find a way get into to Ta Lo... ShangChi contacted the Sorcerer Supreme Wong for help(Wong can't help Rand), They finally opened the entrance in advance.

They found that these two places once belonged to the same world, and still connected. In the ancient lost pocket dimension behind the earth. This world is inhabited by magical creatures. Some creatures do not belong to the earth. They come from distant outer planets, called the Makluan who created the Ten Rings. They came back to complete the unfinished aggression,take what belongs to them and something else does not. Because they are aliens, they drove spaceships through the wormhole to the hidden dimension of the earth. About 5000 years ago, ancient Chinese people discovered those gateways to another world. They chose to move there in order to avoid war and slavery, also find new fertile land for a better life. Those magical portals open every year on a fixed day or every other10 years / 15 years open for one month. They still connect with the outside world when they have the chance. So the cultural development is similar, but modern languages are interlinked because of coincidence.

Together with the dragon, they defeated the invaders and developed into big cities with the help of alien's technology and their magic. Until thousands of years ago, monsters "Dweller-in-Darkness" destroyed most civilizations. Finally, it was sealed in the cave behind the dragon scale gate. TaLo/大罗 village became the last known stronghold. Because this is the place has a portal to the outside world. Ten Rings contacted and killed the creatures where it came from, so it released a pulse signal, soon after it received by aliens.

When they came, war was imminent...

K'un-Lun/昆仑 is one of the seven capital cities of heaven, they are the last stronghold of the decline of ancient advanced civilization at the other edge of their world.

Post credit scene：The gate of K'unLun had golden cracks in the air and outgoing voices from that dimension.

the Defenders S2 MCU time 2028

Sequel to street heroes for hire.

Misty Knight no longer as a police, work with Wing & Rand & Cage & JJ. They are Heroes for hire of the NightWing security company. Claire Temple will return.

Punisher & CIA agent Dinah Madani even Echo will be new members. The last time Danny Rand work with them.

1.Some evil Skulls have invaded and replaced powerful people in New York City,

like Kingpin Luke Cage.

2.Vampires are expanding rapidly in NYC Blade comes to Harlem Paradise... Luke Cage surprised at his face...(I said a long time ago)

3. Hellcat and Diamondback escape from the Raft, they back to revenge.

4. Spider-man can be a cameo if possible.

The Immortal Iron Fist: heart of Dragon

TVseries MCU time 2029～

Here are the following ideas, not the number of TV episodes

1.There is a boy who has practiced martial arts for 15 years in China, now he is 22 years old(Younger than Shang-Chi). His Chinese kung fu master and father were the Chaste members and killed by the Hand, Madame Gao's faction. He knows who are the murderers. He hid so he survived.

2.Wong/王 in Kamar-Taj, one day he found an abnormal surge of energy from the Himalayas. When he teleported there, he found that the masters (Yü-Ti/玉帝 and so on) from KunLun opened a new portal gate used their Chi that accumulated for many years. They can't obtain the dragon's Chi until they find the Iron fist is dead.

Lei Kung/雷公 needs find his son Davos, who left home 12years ago. Davos works with Mac Gargan, somehow got he's equipment so Davos become a stronger and more deadly Scorpion. All he wants is recapture his lost rights from Iron Fist.

If you don't mind, you can ask your Chinese friends to help translate. Google Translate is not so good sometimes.

2. 在2017年 中城圈/Midland Circle 深井龙穴 闪回镜头接着高夫人/Madame Gao & 村上/Murakami，(在捍卫者/theDefenders结尾时)

大厦坍塌之时，高夫人拉着那倒地不起的日本人往深处躲避，当建筑物碎块砸下来时，高夫人使用了她最强的气功推向洞口底部来免受伤害，高傲的村上终于不说鸟语了，他说：“你知道的，高。我本是汉人，东渡到东瀛倭奴国，风光潇洒了两千年，活到现在只会说现代日语和古汉语了，(为了方便我使用现代汉语)这辈子罪孽深重，命不久矣，老高你给我个痛快吧！”高夫人把头微点不语，抬起一掌也就一成功力拍向他的天灵盖，顿时但闻一声骨裂但见七窍流血暴毙而亡。高夫人见其已死说到：“好你个鸟人，活腻歪了，我还想多活几百年，这地洞要长生不老药有现成的配方龙骨，地下水也是可以取的，你有救不求我，倒求死来了，也罢也罢，我自取龙骨做灵药，修养个几载再出山。”

下文段落将出现血腥内容，请酌情翻译观看。The following paragraph will contain bloody content, please consider it before translating and reading!

于是乎，高夫人以仗为刃，立斩一截龙脊骨，轻捣脊髓至粉末备用，轻功上骨架，拐杖直指水声处，向壁顶细小的地下河一捅一抽，水自下流，以脊椎为杯接之，接水毕，塞仗止水，以气功热之，直至发黑略显粘稠状，一饮而尽，此药虽苦但补精气神，舒筋活血，延长染色体端粒，细胞再生，返老还童。高夫人大汗淋漓，面露难色，遂打坐运氣，闭目养神，神游仙境，梦回昆仑。

只见其正襟危坐纹丝不动，好似一尊活佛像，一日一夜已过，忽然惊醒，乍看此妇人容颜不过五十。高夫人望向村上的尸体，因地下阴凉而未腐，而自己已三日未进食，此地乃无人之境，哪管他是人是狗，随即就地入座，发功施力，不知她用的是何种法术竟能离奇地抽干村上的血液并凝聚成球悬浮于空中，而后缓缓推出双掌，气浪如微波，仅两分钟便肉香四溢，撕开见其筋肉热气腾腾早已烂熟。饱腹片刻之后，夫人也便来了劲，说道：“可惜这具龙骨，恐怕唯我独享了。”高夫人走到龙骨之中取出剩下的脊柱丢在一旁不远处，一掌击烂地底泥层，露出底下的巨岩，跳起拔出拐杖放水入坑，她竟搅和起了稀泥，只见她拔下六根龙肋骨放入坑边，一侧叠三根围成棺椁状，糊上泥巴固定边框，用氣加热使其干燥，“棺材”俨然形成。接着她在岩面上反复击碎所有的龙脊骨，再次放水浸泡，而后运起氣功引来那团悬浮的血球与龙骨液混合在一起继续用氣加热直至一滩黑糊。调理完毕，高夫人竟宽衣解带褪去衣裳赤裸裸地躺进这满是灵丹妙药/Resurrection Elixir的污泥坑里，吸入一口气后全身没入其中。斗转星移，时过境迁，九九八十一个月后(2024)，高夫人破土而出，浴血重生，只见她分明就像是二十出头的模样，头发乌黑亮丽，双眸如莲出淤泥竟不见一丝污浊，肌肤白嫩包裹着她紧实的肌肉，腰板都挺直了，完全就是脱胎换骨，最具经验的头脑却有着最完美的身躯。高夫人，或者说年轻的高女士，甩去身上的污药泥，穿上旧衣裳，身轻如燕，跨过村上的白骨，用氣功清路，拨开断壁残垣，像登山一样从破碎的建筑缝隙中逃出生天。千年妖尼姑，就此重返阳间。她必将掀起浪潮，夺取铁拳之氣，重返魂牵梦绕的昆仑城。

雅丽跚德拉·瑞德/Alexandra Reid 这种人本身基因就有缺陷还吃了最多的灵药，也难怪她的身体再也吃不消了，贪得无厌，无药可救。所以她才是最虚弱的领袖，而高夫人吃药最少，所以她缓慢衰老至七十岁的样子，更何况她内功高深莫测，千年来掌握的修炼武学远非其余四人所能及。哪有什么终极武器，"黑空"，真正的王牌则是白昼。

*在此致敬 艾莱珂查·纳曲斯/Elektra Natchios's resurrection/的复活-“蘇”。

Elektra's story will be continued by the new Daredevil series writers. I assume Gao didn't meet her.

3. The boy looking for the Iron Fist and K'un-Lun. The boy found a brand new Hand

A mysterious and powerful young woman is leading this organization. He will unite with the current Iron Fist against their enemy.

When Davos meets Danny again, he knows that Kun Lun is no longer exists from Danny's mouth. He roared: "Danny, you took everything from me! Now I'll take yours, traitor!" They fought for ten minutes, and Danny felt guilty, so he was defeated by Davos' powerful exoskeleton tail. Finally, the Scorpion's tail pierced his chest, then Davos realized that he had almost killed his best brother who grew up with him for fifteen years, and he ran away madly...The boy was unarmed and could not resist the scorpion under the armor, he can only watch Danny die. Suddenly Wong opened the portal, Lei Kung followed him to Iron Fist...

Daniel Rand-K'ai looked at Lei Kung uttered his last words:"对不起，师父..."

After Danny's funeral （This unnamed martial arts boy I think we can choose one name of Bruce Lee's characters in his film, maybe like 郑朝安 Hereinafter referred to as Zheng） Zheng went to K'un-Lun with the masters... K'un-Lun experienced a fierce war and lacked materials for repair. Wong and other Masters of the Mystic Arts were curious & kind so decided to help K'un-Lunan.

Zheng showed his desire for the power of the Immortal Iron Fist, his determination to defend K'unlun from Hand and passed the martial arts test. This time there will be a complete CGI display of the undying dragon

Shou-Lao. How to defeat the Dragon, how to punch the heart of the Dragon, how to form the brand of Chi...

Explore the seven capital cities of heaven. Show the cities merge into one creating the Heart of Heaven......

Fight aliens such as Fin Fang Foom/非凡龙.

Until Gao back to KunLun again.

One day, in order to deal with the warfare outside, the elders allowed Zheng the living weapon to leave...

Even before the next 15 years, they have used new methods to open the portal and can close it, that is the Iron Hand "Only by gathering Chi in your palms and use the

降龙十八掌/Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms you can control the portal."

The Young Avengers 2 203?

the new Iron Fist join the team.

ShangChi as a cameo, if Ms.Marvel's Bracelet has nothing to do with Kree, I think the ten rings will adsorb with two bracelets like magnetic attraction.This will be a perfect echo of the Ten Rings' Buddhist temple!

Hi all, I'm trying to piece together when each season of the Defenders Saga took place. The Timeline here is helpful but confusing on whether or not it's a flashback or the core events for someone who hasn't seen them yet. Can you guys help me fill in my blanks and/or correct me if I'm wrong?:

• Daredevil S1: Jan-Feb 2015

• Daredevil S2: Oct-Dec 2015

• Jessica Jones S1: Mar-Nov 2015

• Luke Cage S1: ???

• Iron Fist S1: ???

• The Punisher S1: ???

• The Punisher S2: ???

• The Defenders: May 2016

• Daredevil S3: Sep-Nov 2017 (and then pops up in ~July 2024 in NWH)

• Jessica Jones S2: ???

• Jessica Jones S3: ???

• Luke Cage S2: ???

• Iron Fist S2: ???

MARVEL KNIGHTS !!!!!!

Could also use Fisk as the big bad.

Tell me ur thoughts below.

So the newly christened Defenders saga being on Disney+ now means I can watch it. But I haven't watched Hawkeye yet. And I now Kingpin appears in Hawkeye. Do I need to watch the defenders saga before Hawkeye? Or is it OK just knowing that kingpin is in it?

When Inhumans were popping up all around the globe during the Inhuman Outbreak, it makes me wonder if any of the Defenders got wrapped up in all the chaos.

Were Matt, Jessica, Luke, or Danny ever targeted by the Watchdogs? Did Malick/Hydra ever seek them out to build Hive’s army? Were they on S.H.I.E.L.D.’s radar?

Considering the fact that it would be hard to tell if they were Inhuman, it just really makes me curious what they were up to during this time period. Don’t forget that the outbreak happened around the same time as the Sokovia Accords, which could have been potentially even more drama for them to deal with.

In short, I would really like to know how the Inhuman Outbreak and the Sokovia Accords affected the Defenders.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think Matt was still presumed dead at this time, which means he wouldn’t really be affected by all this. Additionally, I’m not so sure Danny’s powers were common knowledge, so he may have been fine. Jessica and Luke would still definitely been affected, though.

I have an idea we should try to play.

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By the end of LCs2, Luke becames the head of the crime in Harlem, takes the Harlem's Paradise. Misty is worried, and telling Colleen (who is the only Iron Fist in town now) that maybe she will ask her to help against Luke Cage. Some time later Luke shows up at Jessica Jones' office, and telling her that sometimes you can choose only the less worse. he also tells Jess that he hopes if he cross that specific line, Jess will be there to take the necessary actions.

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Then the Snap happens!

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Here is the question: what happened since then to Luke Cage? Did he snapped away (too simple), or there is a story can be told?

Let's try to create that story.

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I have some ideas that could've, or could've not happened with LC:

• Harlem's Paradise broke because both the legal and illegal incomes decreased drastically cause by half the clients snapped.

• Some heroes and side-characters also snapped. Daredevil maybe? or Colleen, the strongest of the ladies? Or none of them, so a new Defenders-lineup could've happened?

• I read once that maybe a "Shadowland"-based thing was planned with Luke Cage (instead of Matt). If so, this could connect the gang with anyone who is in the NW Sanctum?

• Luke's skin is unbreakable, but maybe Colleen's chi-powered katana can harm him, and that's could lead to his bracelets (made by vibranium or even adamantium)?

• A story about Luke Cage lured into the dark side could lead not only to Heroes for Hire but into Daughters of Dragon as well, having Misty, Colleen and Jessica teaming up.

What are your ideas? Did LC turned to the dark side, or did he managed to use Harlem's underground to do good?

Of course it can't be taken as a fact. We could never say these factually happened in the MCU.

It's only for fun.

So let's play that what could've happened?

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(And if it works and you like it, we could do that about other characters)

So, honest question, is there an actor who has been previously in another MCU project, who you would like to see recast as a different character?

Personally, I would like to see Ben Kingsley, Erin Moriarty and Sigourney Weaver back. My idea is Sigourney Weaver for Abigail Brand, Erin Moriarty as Magik, and Ben Kingsley for Magneto.

Who would you say is the worst defender?

I personally think its Luke Cage, I think he is better than the defenders team. He is way to powerful for the defenders and he wasn't used effectively in the siege of New York. I personally also think daredevil Jessica Jones and iron fist were right where they should be. If ironman called up anyone other than spiderman in civil war it should of been Luke Cage. Although defenders won't be the same without Luke.

Not sure if anyone has the answer to this question or not, but let say this...If Feige and Marvel Studios were to bring back Marvel TV characters with the original actor, like Charlie Cox’s Daredevil, could they use footage from Netflix shows for flashbacks purposes or does Netflix have the rights to all of that.

I understand that if that were the case, they could find ways to work around it, but my concern has been whether Marvel Studios/Disney would want viewers to be interested in going back to Netflix to reference or remember certain things they might have forgotten about. Some of us like to rewatch films or previous episodes to a show to refresh our memory. I see this more of an issue for Netflix, not Hulu/ABC shows. I was just wondering if Netflix retains the footage from the shows they made for the MCU. So if you had Daredevil facing Fisk, could they show previous encounters and those outcomes? Netflix shows were very much about the past and remembering what happened in the past too.

Is there any info about what happened to Daredevil, Jessica, Dan and Luke during the blip?