@MarvelSharky Yeah, I mean, that's an appeal to majority, which isn't an argument. There's plenty of content that the masses enjoy that I think are objectively awful, even if Thunderbolts doesn't fall into that specific camp.

I just thought of the plot was so clearly a misfit for the characters. A storyline involving a character as powerful as the Sentry would be more fitting for a hero like Doctor Strange, or Thor. Placing these fairly ordinary heroes in this context doesn't make a lot of sense, not because they're not a match for him (since that almost always ends up being the case anyway), but because they're not even in the same ballpark. A film involving a conflict with a crime organization, or even a retread into familiar territory with something like a super soldier threat, would have been a much better fit. The characters would have been utilized more efficiently in that scenario, and would have also provided plenty of great action scenes. I just don't understand why the writers took the route they did.

@IronWidowMaikuB Claiming that Thunderbolts is no different than the Winter Soldier is simply insane. You've got to do some sort of comparison analysis, because I would love to hear how they have even close to the same level of depth.

As for the therapy being for Yelena as well, that's all well and good, but my main issue is with the plot, and the relevance that moment had to the plot was to prevent Sentry from doing whatever he was doing, thereby releasing his alter ego? In essence, the only two things the Thunderbolts did that had a significant impact on the plot were to free Bob from his containment chamber, and then to hug him out of his... whatever he was doing. I just still think it's such a waste of what the characters could have done.

Sentry in this film correct me has his powers from a variant of super soldier serum? Not the first time we saw widely different variants thats how hulk exists too

I said every Phase 1 and Phase 2 film except Winter Solider, that the one exception to the first two phases films issues that Thunderbolts also had. I will admit that Winter Solider is better written then Thunderbolts.

Again, I'm telling you that if they went with the original route on turning Walker into another Hulk based Character then pretty much everyone but me would have hated this film lol and even I wouldn't have this film in my top 10 even with how much I Liked this misfit Team. Again it wasn't Bob who they were fighting against, it was there own personal Demons and PTSD. That what they needed to stop (Or at the very least slow down because as we know you can't fully stop your Demons no matter how hard you made try, you need a team to help you out of that Darkness.)

Bob got his Sentry powers from some kind of drug from Val’s company. I think “Super Soldier Serum” is a very broad term now that means any drug that given a human super strength and abilities.

I think one of the things to remember about Sentry/Void, is that they weren’t really defeated. Right now the only person that seems to be able to stop them is Bob. At the same time, Bob does not really know how to be Sentry, but not become the Void too. So he is take the poor approach of not do anything, which is like someone with anger issues avoiding any activity where there is some risk of them being angry. The team were able to bring Bob back, which temporary stopped the Void. They still have no answers on how he can be Sentry, but not become the Void.

He honestly would benefit visiting someone like Wong and get special training.

We will have to see how Marvel plans to use Bob/Sentry in the future.

Hmm wong sounds like blonskey does warrior like the first Shang chi at least? Don’t want that to give bad flashbacks lol

As strange as this sound, He (and honesty most of this team) might needed Sam's help to fully control the Void not someone like Wong due to what the Void respresent.

Now Granted, they first needed to get Sam and Bucky stop Bickering with each other like a old Couple but Baby Steps lol.

Hmmmm the post credits scene page says it was filmed for doomsday so apparently that’s the opening scene of that film lol. So eh?

My guess is we’re gonna get an opening scene involving Doom then we get that scene and then it’ll cut to the title card

To me, if Val did a redesign of the building, she would of had to completely tear down Avengers Tower to make it look like the building in Far From Home and then completely rebuild Avengers Tower to make it look like it does in Thunderbolts. That seems unrealistic.

To me it's a huge continuity error.

If they wanted better continuity they should have kept the deleted scene of Spider-Man swinging by the tower while it was under construction instead of having a completely new building.

So to me I think Marvel forgot the timeline of the building.

@IronWidowMaikuB My apologies, I must have misread your comment. Although I would still argue that the writing for both Age of Ultron and Ant-Man were much better. Maybe the rest of the phase two films are in the same ballpark.

Most of you brought up the point that the Sentry was, in fact, a product of a super soldier serum, which is a good point. How a serum could do that to anyone or make anyone that powerful is another discussion, but this is a superhero movie so I won't harp over it.

That being said, my original point still remains. This guy is still way too powerful for a bunch of mercenaries with guns to realistically deal with. All well and good to make the film about their own inner demons, and like I said, I had no issue with the characters and how they were portrayed. But if we're going for an entertaining action film here, I just don't see why you wouldn't just create a threat that the heroes could actually take down.