TVA also labels the prime MCU reality as "616".

Comics is 616. Cinema is 199,999. There is a singular Marvel multiverse. It doesn't matter what other universes call other universes. Our universe calls comics 616 and cinema 199,999. Until they want to print a new encyclopedia, anyway.

And that's my two cents worth. What's the grand total, so far?

(I still want to know who picked 199999 and why. I know the alleged story for 616.)

I think @Marvelus and @David Kaique put it perfectly.

@Xaxafrad I could be wrong, but I think the reason its called Earth-199999 is because of a joke Kevin Feige made saying that was how many years the MCU would last

It's 199999 but to the 838 Universe it's 616. It's quite make zero sense in all the world to be set in 616 with how different the MCU is from 616 universe.

I think people keep forgetting it was labeled as 616 in Loki by the TVA too which makes everything more complicated.

It should be 199999.

People in the MCU keep saying 616 because Feige and the writers want to treat the MCU as a direct adaptation of the comic universe.

What they've forgotten is every superhero canon, adaptation or not, needs to have its own designation, because it's all theoretically supposed to exist in the same multiverse.

The live action MCU and the 616 Comic Universe are supposed to be able to coexist.

That's why the live action MCU was designated 199999 back in 2008.

It is a different number because it is a DIFFERENT CANON.

So trying to call the MCU 616 completely disrupts the idea that it's a separate canon.

This is a problem that the people who run Marvel Comics Database face. They have to give every reality, every timeline, every new canon, every adaptation a new designation, in order to tell them apart.

The X-Men movies from 2003 are Earth 10005.

The new reality from Days of Future Past which includes Deadpool is TRN-414.

Because when you have two earths of the same number you have to create a disambiguation page (unfortunately, this happens in Marvel and DC more often than it should; the Arrowverse called its main world "Earth-1")

But there shouldn't be two 10005s. There shouldn't be two TRN-414s. There shouldn't be two 616s. It's nonsense.

So no matter how much Feige tries to push the idea that the MCU is 616, the people who run Marvel Comics Database still have no choice but to say "Ok but that's a different 616 from the comics. It's 616a or something." Like, you can't just call the MCU 616 and not expect people to get confused.

The whole point of the numbers is to differentiate continuities. It's not just a stubborn fanboy thing. It's a coherency thing.

The only way this works is to say that Earth 838 simply calls Earth 199999 "616". Mysterio wasn't a problem because he was making it up anyway.

I don't have a problem with characters saying arbitrary numbers. The problem I have is Marvel Studios itself trying to push the idea that the MCU is 616 instead of 199999.

I also think it's stupid that Christine would say her universe is 838. Why would you call your own universe a random number? At least Mysterio was full of it, but shouldn't Christine be saying her world is Earth 1? Isn't everyone's world Earth 1 to them?

(Even the Flash addresses this when Harrison Wells from Earth-2 points out that from his point of view, it's Earth-1).

The TVA or some other inter dimensional organization should be the ones giving out numbers like 838 and 199999. (Calling Christine's world 838 is fine because that number hasn't been used yet).

For the people who continue to insist that the Jeph Loeb shows aren't canon, then maybe we can at least use this 616/199999 discrepancy to our advantage.

We can say that the entire MCU minus the Jeph Loeb shows is 616. Whereas the MCU plus the Jeph Loeb shows, like Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, Runaways, etc is 199999.

Because you can argue all you want that Agents of SHIELD doesn't necessarily exist in the movie universe -- but the movies 100% do exist in SHIELD's continuity.

@Gavoondusstuff I'm begging people stop using the TVA words as Gospel when they were made by a know liar in HWR/Kang. Also That timeline label is Loki Personal Timeline not the MCU as a whole. In that Timeline everything after Loki's Death didn't happen and everything from Iron Man 3 to Winter Solider to the Guardians to HomeComing didn't happen as well and that's just wrong lol.

I mean the shows deal is a whole other thing. As really even with these canon deniers, the content would be so identical on both Earths that it would be impossible to deny it with such minimal differences.

I think the MCU should not be the exact same as the comics

If they want to be Earth-616 that's their choice

I am okay with Earth-616

Earth-199999 cuz its not the comics