It would be nice to have one place to discuss all the announcements and events today. So here is this post.
It would be nice to have one place to discuss all the announcements and events today. So here is this post.
And the third message, my actual thoughts on Disney+ Day.
Firstly, the individual reveals regarding each project, going through them in the chronological order from above:
Hawkeye: The GMA clip was fine. The car chase Disney+ Special clip was kind of cool. I both liked the way the camera stayed with the car's perspective, but also didn't like it, because the way it was shot just made me constantly think about the cameraman sitting in the back, rather than being immersed. But I liked Kate in these clips.
Moon Knight: A little surprising that it's seemingly coming before She-Hulk - but it would have been nice to actually get clarification on that. They didn't even technically narrow down the release window beyond 2022, even if it was implied to be pre-She-Hulk and pre-Ms. Marvel (which was confirmed as summer). The footage was somewhat interesting, though. Daredevil meets Helstrom meets, unfortunately, a bit of Marvel Studios toning-down, but still. I don't know much about Moon Knight, he has multiple personalities right? So do the personalities have different accents, too? Because I wasn't expecting an English-sounding voice.
She-Hulk: Similarly, a little surprising that it's seemingly coming after Moon Knight, would've been nice to get clarification, disappointing they didn't even clearly narrow the release window. Not a big fan of the new logo, seems a bit boring and weirdly dark for what we have been told is a comedy. This footage I thought was fine, but insufficient to give an idea of the show - Moon Knight gave a better idea of that show. The CG shot of her back looked odd and fake. I'm interested by the fourth wall break scene and what's going on there - I was shown that it's a reference to the '70s The Incredible Hulk show, which is cool, but beyond that, how does it fit into the story? If the fourth wall breaks are going to kind of be removed from the story, I think I'd prefer that to just breaking the immersion during the unfolding of the story. And we have Smart Hulk in this, so I wonder how this fits in the timeline with Shang-Chi.
Ms. Marvel: I quite liked this footage, like I did with the Investor Day footage. I'm a bit concerned by Kamala saying she has to save the world, I would like this to be a low-key story. But maybe it's just a figure of speech. Through the investor call the other day and now this, it's good have a proper release window for this. I've expressed my thoughts about the fact it will have been delayed very suddenly recently about 10 months in the discussion when that release window was first announced the other day, but at least with this show, unlike the others, they did give a release window. Just weird that they only gave it for the third post-Hawkeye show.
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special: Nothing new here. Wasn't expecting anything, though would've been nice for clarity's sake to include it on the Twitter thread and reaffirm it's coming late 2022 (I definitely don't think that's changed, it has basically no other choice but to come then, but just to keep things clear and consolidated as much as possible).
What If...?: I thought it was a bit silly that their Twitter post was just a promotional image from Season 1 with the text "SEASON 2" slapped on it, and not even an interesting text, anyone could have made that. Would've been nice to just clearly also be told something like "Fall 2022".
I Am Groot: While I got the impression from Investor Day that this was going to be a collection of shorts, so classified in the same MCU category as the one-shots - with a release likely similar to Pixar Popcorn - their tweet here was phrased just like the other animated series. Would've liked a bit more clarity on that. I still think it'll probably be short episodes and all released at once like Pixar Popcorn, but I guess it does count as an MCU show? Bit weird. Would've liked them to say the year, and to align their order on Twitter and the Disney+ Special.
Secret Invasion: Somewhat interesting look at Fury. Would've liked a bit of clarification if this is 2022 or 2023.
Echo: Nice to have this confirmed.
Loki: Wish they'd put it on the Twitter thread too for clarity.
X-Men '97: Fans seem happy. I think I might have seen a little bit of the original show when I was very young, but barely any and I don't remember it, I have no attachment to it. Maybe I'll give it a try when this is coming up. It's a bit weird that they're so clearly branding it as Marvel Studios, which will confuse some people about its MCU status - wish they'd more clearly separated it in the announcements. First non-MCU Marvel Studios project. Hmm.
Spider-Man: Freshman Year: I like the fitting double meaning of the title, and I like the idea of exploring this time in Peter's life a bit. But this is another project where, because everything is supposedly big and important, it feels tiresome/unnecessary. And Marvel Studios are yet to prove themselves in animation to me. Also can't help but kind of feel they've made a whole show just to shut up the "MCU Spider-Man doesn't acknowledge responsibility/Uncle Ben enough" people.
Ironheart: Not sure about the new logo.
Agatha: House of Harkness: I've expressed my annoyance at this show's existence before.
Armor Wars: Seems like we won't be getting this for a while after all, I guess.
Marvel Zombies: Why? Either do this as a What If...? story or its own thing, but both? I was okay with the way they did it before, I thought What If...? was the way to do it, maybe revisit that world in Season 2 for example, but a whole show? And again, Marvel Studios are yet to prove themselves in animation to me, I can't feel particularly enthused about any animation so far.
General comments:
All I wanted from Disney+ Day was some clarification. Most importantly, some scheduling. Because the slate feels chaotic currently. I didn't particularly care about new stuff being announced as well, for this reason. So I was frustrated when the opposite happened. More projects announced cluttering the slate, and more confusion: lack of clarity over Moon Knight and She-Hulk, lack of clarity over whether their presentation was chronological, lack of clarity over where I Am Groot falls in that order, strong lack of clarity over Secret Invasion for some reason coming last on both, and most importantly almost no release windows at all.
I've said that I am also frustrated when Disney promise a release date then suddenly change it at the last minute - I've said "Don't announce a release date until you can be sure you can keep it". I stand by that. But they must be able to know at least the season that Moon Knight comes out, for example. Just something like "Spring 2022" would help give a better sense of clarity and order. Something like "Fall 2022"/"late 2022" for What If...?: Season 2, something like just saying "2023" for Echo, Loki, Spider-Man: Freshman Year, anything that there is no doubt is coming 2023. You don't need to be more specific than that at this point, but just something to give a sense of stability.
To some, scheduling isn't important. But in my eyes, the MCU has been built up with all these schedule announcements and things that the slate is a pillar of MCU anticipation, and gives a sense of structure and build and order to it. Clarity, stability. The lack of it, with all these projects, makes it feel like a sprawling chaotic mess to look at, to me (hence me putting in a lot of work to try to work out the schedule as best as I can, to get it under control).
Speaking of the chaos, I feel exhausted. With such a seemingly packed schedule, and all the projects being "part of Phase Four"/"major", I've said this many times before, but it means nothing is special anymore - and it's so much. I watched all the shows before anyway, but there's a difference to this, where it's supposed to all be "major", digested, dissected by fans, watched by everyone, discussed, treated with high attention, high exposure, high budget, everything is hardcore. I'm tired. And the announcement of more projects to me is just even more tiresome, projects which, because of this standard and saturation, feel "unnecessary". We've gone from three major Marvel Studios "Phase" projects per year just 2 years ago to roughly eleven in 2023, so fast. The brand feels diluted, any element of a Marvel Studios project being special gone. It's all just the next piece of "content", nothing has time to breathe. Shang-Chi only just came out, it's already two major projects ago.
I will say what I've said before: I think the problem would be largely fixed by making some projects a lower tier, "bonus", not part of Phase Four, not essential viewing. I will add to that: not releasing weekly. I like the weekly release for content that's meant to have an impact and be digested, I think that's right - but if some of this were just bonus stuff, it could just be small and drop at once, which would declutter the schedule. And if they weren't "Phase Four", major projects, the Phase Four schedule would feel more controlled, focused, specific, less sprawling and messy and chaotic. And less exhausting, because it doesn't all have to be dissected and watched intently and discussed and treated with reverence etc.. It also means you're less likely to burn people out or have people drop off in general, it gives them a way to drop watching some stuff while still watching to a certain degree. It gives a dynamic to the MCU again, a structure. Fewer things that just feel "random", they're just bonuses, so it doesn't matter. If Werewolf by Night, The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special, I Am Groot, Spider-Man: Freshman Year, Agatha: House of Harkness, and Marvel Zombies were all relegated to this standard, I would also not criticise them as "unnecessary". It's the fact that there are so many projects getting designated as worthy of being set alongside the Avengers films that is ridiculous and tiresome and far too much. But bonuses, a bit like the one-shots? Sure. Not taking up time and headspace and "importance".
I also just wish they'd take their time. It feels like whiplash to dive so fast into so many Marvel Studios Disney+ projects, having had none before. One of Marvel Studios' strengths was that they built slowly. Two films in the first 2 years, then three films in the next 2 years, then two films per year, then eventually three films per year... then suddenly we're at eleven-ish projects per year, and with Disney+ projects alone diving in at a faster rate than any Marvel Studios year, with five per year right from the off, it feels they haven't done what worked for them before, which was testing the waters, treading lightly, building slowly. I know there's probably a strong element of Disney pushing them to make as much content as possible, but it feels in a way almost like complacence, like they can do no wrong and know they will nail Disney+ TV so can just dive right in. And now, as of this Disney+ Day, we're at the point where we've only had four Disney+ projects but the next seventeen are already announced and in some form of production. There's no time to learn from your mistakes (because yes, they have made them), no time to acclimatise your audience to the new way things will be/ease them in, no time to establish your rhythm or pattern. It feels like getting way ahead of themselves with far too much confidence instead of focusing on taking the right steady steps, which is frustrating. And it feels like there's not the previous care being taken, the care of "our projects are limited, we have to pick them carefully and allocate characters carefully". Instead it's just "You get a show and you get a show and you get a show", Oprah style.
In short: Personally, I don't want a bunch of project announcements from Disney, I want a sense of structure and plan and order and pace. So Disney+ unfortunately frustrated me more.
@BEJT at least give us some dates
Moon Knight looks really promising
Why did they change the She-Hulk logo?? ._.
Still not excited for the Agatha show.
Spider-Man: Freshman Year is a nice surprise. Wonder who will be the villain.
I’m thinking the Freshman Year villain will probably be some low level crime boss, like Big Man or even the Enforcers.
Can’t be anyone too prominent now
For the villain in Freshman Year, I am thinking:
Hammerhead
Tombstone
Beetle
The Spot
I know the Beetle was introduce in a comic book follow up to Homecoming, which may or may not still be canon, but maybe he can have more back story too.
I think the villains of Freshman Year are:
1. Bonesaw McGraw
2. Burglar
Crime Master
Boomerang
Rocket Racer
And Swarm could be good choices if they wanted to do lesser known villains
Red ghost can be good, if done right. They ain't using spot, he is in ATSV.
If it's of interest to anyone, I hear the Hawkeye car chase clip is not Episode 1 or 2.
This is from a critic who has seen those episodes, says it's not there.
Freshman Year is gonna feature Rhino or Mr Negative and off course some of the smaller Spider-Man enemies like Swarm and hopefully Frog-Man! Frog-Man looks pretty funny and cute! And maybe they can do Jackall, on the bigger screen he will look too scary but for a animated series let's do him!
What do you think?