Who against the sokovia accords.?
@GenericDuck makes a good point about Wanda. She is a good example how some of these heroes, they haven’t even reach their full potential and it’s possible, even in their best nature, they can be out of control.
How is it still a thing after the blip ?
Against.
It would be a world wide power struggle waiting to happen and frankly, people like Thaddeus Ross can't be trusted to handle something like that selflessly. I agree with Cap when he says that the safest hands are still their own.
All I can say beyond that is good luck beating Thanos or Galactus with nukes.
Ross wants to become Red Hulk.
I can see both sides. Like any controversial issue, it’s hard to completely agree with only one side. That being said, I mostly lean in support of Cap
So I agree that the Avengers were being too reckless & that they had a bunch of casualties with innocent people. We can’t dismiss that fact at all. Now with that being said,‘I’m still against the Sokovia Accords because what Steve has said a lot: “Governments have agendas & agendas change” (not sure if this was the exact quote 😂) and since I’m a true believer of this then I got to go against the Accords, but at the same time the Avengers did need to chill out with being reckless.
"This job, we try to save as many people as we can. Sometimes that doesn’t mean everybody. But if we can’t find a way to live with that, then next time maybe nobody gets saved."
The X-Men movies deal with mutant registration with exactly the same comparison between gun and human. And the outcome is exactly how you’d expect, they go after the mutants.
Tony Stark is to blame for why they needed the Accords in the first place, they should have cracked down on Stark and not the Avengers. However, virtually every government in the world has some level of corruption, especially when it comes to having rich supporters.
Stark wasn’t willing to take the blame by himself, and Cap took Tony’s fall. If it weren’t for the Accords, Thanos probably would have had a harder time taking the Avengers on.
Finally, there are members of government who are genuinely good, and do exactly what they’re supposed to, but they’re few and far between. Some cases are harder to see than others, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Tony are just regular humans with no super powers. Cap is mediocre compared to other super humans. So registration for them doesn’t make a lot of sense. It’s hard to really find someone to be accountable like that. If they can protect the planet, maybe it’s better to be outside the government’s reach, but they should also be accountable to the people they serve.
“they should be accountable to the people they serve”
That sentence I particularly have a problem with, because the worlds heroes/The Avengers never took an Oath to protect people. They don’t work for any law enforcement agencies or Government. They’re literally private citizens (yes they’re extremely powerful private citizens but that’s neither here nor there) and so they don’t “serve” anyone. Not technically.
Fury brought them all together and he’d be the only one I’d trust to run The Avengers anyway. I agree with the majority of your reply, just not that last line. Just because they have power, does not mean they’re automatically our protectors. Of course most of them are willing to put their lives on the line to protect us anyway, and The Avengers still get hate for it most of the time but that seems unavoidable. You can’t make everyone happy.
I just said they SHOULDN’T work for a government. But they should still be accountable for their actions to the PEOPLE. Even if they are saving the world, no one asked them to. Just as you said, they never took an oath. So they are absolutely accountable for what they do. Especially Stark. If it wasn’t for him, Ultron, Sokovia, none of that would have happened. That’s just how the world works, if there is risk involved, someone is going to have to take the blame for things. I agree with Cap. They need to be outside the government, but not outside accountability. They need to be able to take responsibility on their own effort.
What do you think?