This also really doesn’t affect people who are straight or cisgender, because you have always had someone in the movies to look up too and someone who is like you, but people in the LGBTQ community have never really got to have that experience. The only LGBTQ characters have only had a small cameo or have never actually been confirmed as LGBTQ. Also saying you support the LGBTQ community or are apart of it and posting about it does not mean you are favoriting anyone or discriminating. As a bisexual, bigender person, it will be nice to know that I can see someone on screen who relates to me. And no this does not mean I hate against heterosexual or cisgender people.

Yes, I do agree a person of the LGBTQ community shouldn’t be solely defined because they are LGBTQ, but I also do not think that we should completely ignore it either. It is important to realize that characters of LGBTQ have never had a big standing in the MCU, and it shows how we have progressed from when LGBTQ were killed for being who they are. It should not define them, but we should at least acknowledge that it is there.

Also I would like to say @Fiona225 that what you are saying feels slightly offensive and homophobic by saying that as a LGBTQ person, I don’t like straight people and that just because someone posts about the LGBTQ community, automatically makes them a hater to straight people.

@Blackpanther43

Agreed.

“I understand not defining the characters as LGBTQ+ or just as “gay” but also I don’t think you understand how big of a moment this is for us people in the LGBTQ community”.

I fully support the LGBTQ+ community (I’m in it) and I think that unless they make their Sole identity being LGBT+ then it’s a step in the right direction. However, I highly doubt marvel would do that as they know how much this means.

[Hi, I’m Livvy! I’m new on this wiki, but I’m on the TSC, and THG wiki. I go by she/ her/ they/ them pronouns!)

@Blackpanther43

I think you may be misunderstanding something or misattributing something to me because I would never and have never said anything like that. To suggest that all people in a particular group would think or feel, much less do or say something because of their sexual preference, gender, skin color or ethnicity is exactly the opposite of the argument that I was making. I would NEVER expect you to do or say anything nor to like or dislike anyone because you were a LGBTQ person... your thoughts and feelings are your own and no one else's.

If you can find an example of me suggesting or implying what you say anywhere in this thread or in any other, please point it out to me so that I can correct or clarify it.

Also, as an aside, in your post above you say that LGBTQ+ people haven't had anyone they can relate to or look up to, which is why this is so meaningful... and to that I say that may be true... but only if the only way you can look up to or relate to a person is if they're LGBTQ+, and I don't think that's true for a moment. I think you - and pretty much everyone else - can relate to kindness, fear, discrimination, hope, compassion, self-doubt and a great many other things that are in no way exclusive to people of one community or another, and its a mistake to suggest that only cis people can relate to cis people, and only non-cis people can relate to non-cis people... that is the very danger I warn against, being defined by one aspect of yourself or defining others in the same fashion, when we are all a myriad of wondrous variety and contradiction that couldn't possibly be narrowed down to a litany of consonants, no matter how long we make them. If a person has to look like us or think like us for us to have empathy for them, then we have already started down the wrong path.

I have no energy right now, and I am not going to waste what little energy I have it trying to tell you why this is so important and how you are misinterpreting what I am saying because it will never change what you see @Fiona225

@Blackpanther43

Fair enough. Could you at least show me a single example of my saying what you claimed that I said? Everyone should be free to engage in discourse or not as they see fit, but making a direct false accusation is another thing entirely... again, if you can even show me an example where someone might misinterpret something I said this way, I'd be happy to correct or clarify it.

Also I would like to say @Fiona225 that what you are saying feels slightly offensive and homophobic by saying that as a LGBTQ person, I don’t like straight people and that just because someone posts about the LGBTQ community, automatically makes them a hater to straight people.

@Blackpanther43 @Fiona225

Earlier on in your post, you said that you didn’t support LGBTQ+ people as it was “due to your religion”.

However, now you have edited your post and deleted that sentence.

Blackpanther is saying that: yes, LGBTQ+ people have some representation but it’s not enough to “normalise” it. For those characters that LGBTQ+ it is often portrayed as their only character trait or hobby.

Me: So, I (for one) would like more accurate representation rather than a LGBTQ+ person in the media being obsessed with the fact that they’re LGBTQ+. Being LGBTQ+ is important to represent but it’s not the only character trait. On the other hand, i by no way am trying to shame members of the LGBTQ+ community if they Do make that part of their character traits. That’s their decision to make but we need more accurate representation.

Could you please (if you feel comfortable) reply to this. Do you support the LGBTQ+ community?

(Now, I’m in no way trying to make you feel bad about yourself, or trying to shame you. I just needed to share my opinions on this matter, addressing what you said and why accurate representation is so important.)

@LiviaBlackthorn.47

No, I never said that. I know that I never said that because I am not a religious person, which also means that I did not delete such a statement either. If I WERE a religious person, I would stand by my convictions openly, not hide them if they became awkward or embarrassing.

The Loki Lady does say that in a post above. Perhaps it is, as I said, something that is being misattributed to me.

Generally speaking, I do not support (nor do I refuse to support) entire communities or groups of people, especially not based on their gender preference, sexuality or race. This is because any group of people is going to be made up of individuals, both good and bad, of people who are both selfish and self-sacrificing, of those who are just trying to get by and those who would use the group to further their own personal power and prestige.

I do support freedom and individuality, I support anyone of good will trying to live the best life they can without hurting others and I oppose anyone who would seek to deny them that.

I believe that answers your question... I hope that you believe so as well.

Apologies. I mistook the name for yours. No ill will.

I just wanted to say, in case my earlier statement caused offense, it really was not intended as such. I really hope I didn't offend you, @LiviaBlackthorn.47 :)

It is slightly upsetting that you don’t support the LGBTQ+ community, but freedom of actions I guess. Thank you for clarification. @The Loki Lady