Which one of these shows do you think has a better character arcs, villains, finales, set pieces etc. Which one do you prefer and why is that one better in your opinion.
Which one of these shows do you think has a better character arcs, villains, finales, set pieces etc. Which one do you prefer and why is that one better in your opinion.
@Tim Gomes I absolutely agree
For character arcs, it was close. I liked Wanda’s arc, where she gained confidence and wasn’t “broken”, however, her “moving on” from Vision is kinda silly since White Vision is definitely coming back. The arcs in TFATWS were also really good. We had Bucky, trying to atone for his time as the Winter Soldier. Sharon’s villain arc. Walker’s multiple arcs. Sam’s great development with Isaiah and becoming Captain America. I think that TFATWS wins this one, since not only were there more arcs, but it touched on real-world injustices.
Villains. I feel like I can’t really compare TWATWS and Wandavision with villains, since they’re villains were so different. In Wandavision, Agnes was revealed rather late in the season, and for the majority of the season, I guess Wanda was the villain? There’s also Hayward, who was more of your stereotypical villain of the week. On the other hand, we have the Flag Smashers. “Villains” who just wanted justice for people in displacement camps, and didn’t want the world to keep putting people in charge who are in it for themselves, or simply aren’t affected by these things. They were great “villains”, but they also followed the much more stereotypical villain of the week storyline. With Wandavision, the villain(s?) were much more subtle, and you could even call Wanda herself the villain. Agnes didn’t want to “take down” Wanda, she simply wanted her powers. She was a silent manipulator through most of Wandavision, and maybe even pitied Wanda in part of it. (When she appeared to wipe away a tear when she watched Wanda and Vision in the Avengers Compound.) However, she still intended harm to Wanda, and wanted her powers. Meanwhile with TFAWTS, they were just radicalized revolutionaries who wanted to help kids. After all, their cause was partially justified. Plus, we had John Walker, who was both an Pro and antagonist. They’re just such different villain dynamics it’s hard to compare the two. So... tie?
Who had the better finale? I think I’m going to have to go with Wandavision. Wandavision’s finale had such a wide range. You had Wanda and Agnes’ mental battles, magical battles, and great CGI. You had your charatcer development with Wanda, and the epic uno reverse she pulled on Agnes. You also had the White Vision and Vision fight, then intellectual debate. You had your family themes, internal and external struggle, and even had in Hayward, F-ierto, and Monica helping out. We even had Darcy hit someone with a truck for the third time, this time on purpose. TFATWS had a great finale too, but it didn’t have the range that Wandavision did. There’s some fighting, and then Sam’s end speech (which was great), and a nice little finish to Bucky’s development. It was really nice, especially with Walker’s arc, but I think that Wandavision’s range makes it win.
Set pieces is another win for Wandavision. Other than Falcon’s new Captain America suit, and Walker’s Captain America suit, nothing stood out very strongly to me costume wise. The sets were great, but nothing specifically new. TFATWS didn’t have a lot of new elements that would’ve allowed much wider freedom. Because of it’s nature, you had battle suits and normal clothes for the clothing. Plus, Sam and Bucky both have hair that would be weird to do anything drastically different with. There wasn’t anything you can be greatly adventurous with. And the sets were either the sky or normal cities/towns/buildings/ect, nothing crazy. Meanwhile with Wandavision, we get a tour through the decades. Hairstyles, fashion, and sets were different every episode and allowed the design teams were allowed to get adventurous. The costumes, sets, and hairstyles had to be both era-specific, and something that the audience wouldn’t find incredibly weird. The design team had the freedom to get creative and did a great job with it. Wandavision definitely wins for sets.
For plot twists/mysteries, Wandavision wins again for me. It starts off with this sitcom world you down understand how we got to, in an era we aren’t in, with two people— one of whom is dead. It leads off incredibly confusing, with small “weird” things, like why they don’t know their past and Mrs. Hart’s reaction to her husband choking. With each episode, we build a little more on the mystery. Then, we get an explanation to a decent chunk of it where they bring back characters like Monica, Darcy, and Jimmy. Then, each episode ended with a plot twist/cliffhanger that really drew you in. Agatha reveal was a shock to me, since I’d stayed away from theories. Same with the Scarlet Witch reveal, since I’m not familiar with the comics. The whole world of Wandavision was build as a mystery that pulls you in. The fandom was desperately trying to understand it all, throwing out a ridiculous amount of theories. Meanwhile, we don’t get that in TFATWS. The nature of the story prevented huge mysteries. It was a great show, but I didn’t feel as pulled in by the story. From episode one, we know the antagonist, protagonist, and main conflict. We’re even introduced to their super strengthen in episode one. Now, there’s nothing wrong with the straightforward Villain-Hero storyline, most stories have to operate like that. Plus, it didn’t even fully follow that with the Flag Smashers being “good”, at least to some extent. However, I enjoyed Wandavision’s dynamic a lot, it was different then most things we’ve seen so far. It had a wide range of internal and external conflict, and a blend of many “battles”. It had great plot twists, amazing mysteries, and reintroduction of old characters. It had character development, many themes, and great production and writing. I love both TFATWS and Wandavision, and both are great shows that I adore. However, I do prefer Wandavision.
This took me an unnecessarily long amount of time to write.
Top reasons why Falcon and the Winer Soldier is better than Wandavision: John Walker.
John Walker, by himself, is a better character and antagonist than the villains we have in WandaVision.
I think WandaVision is a great show. But while I rewatched it I realized that I think it’s a better show when we had to wait a week to see what happens next. Now that you can watch it back to back, it doesn’t feel like that much has happened. Still think both are great though
I loved them both for all the reasons stated by people less lazy than me who have typed then all out 😂 but I have to say I preferred watching WandaVision, simply because it was so intriguing and different. I never knew where it was going, and it was so much fun guessing what was happening and speculating wild theories each week! Also, it was a really interesting different style to the rest of the current MCU, which tends to focus more on action films. All in all, I just loved it for being such a unique and brave take, not just on the MCU but on all of television, and that's why it stands out especially for me. Not to say that TFaTWS wasn't both amazing and enjoyable, because it certainly was.
FatWS wasnt perfect at all, but thousands times better than WV.
Why do you dislike WandaVision? (just outta curiosity, not judging or anything 😀👍)
Both were great. But WandaVision was more interesting to me.
Short answer: The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Long answer: While I completely understand why some people would prefer WandaVision, I have to go with The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, for many reasons. First off, the antagonists. In WandaVision we had Agatha and Hayward, and honestly, looking back, Agatha was pretty mediocre towards the end, and Hayward is straight up the worst villain in the MCU. Yes, I know, Karli and the rest of the Flag Smashers were poorly written, but they weren't nearly as bad, and even if they were, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about Zemo and Walker. Those two were easily the best part of the show, Zemo had the charisma, and a nice anti-villain touch, while Walker had this complex story arc about being unable to live up to the Captain America mantle, and ultimately redeeming himself for the things he'd done by saving the truck. Also, while Sharon wasn't certainly the best, she has the potential to be amazing in the future. Heck, she might even be a Skrull.
Another one of the best parts was, of course, Isaiah Bradley. His story is so tragic, yet so realistic, is almost terrifying. I'd love for him to have a chat with Luke Cage at some point. Daniel Brühl, Wyatt Russell and Carl Lumbly played their parts amazingly.
And my biggest compliment for TFaTWS is... it never flopped. Even if you thought an episode was weaker than the previous one, the show kept its quality, something I personally can't say about WandaVision. In the finale, every moment felt well deserved. Sam being accepted as the new Captain America, Bucky being essentialy a part of Sam's family and finally having some peace after so much violence in his life, Walker redeeming himself, becoming U.S. Agent and starting to work with Val, Isaiah receiving his well deserved memorial at the museum, heck, even Zemo got to do something, he got the last laugh and he didn't even say a line. In WandaVision, the only moment that felt well deserved was the Vision vs. Vision Ship of Thesseus discussion and maybe Wanda saying goodbye to the children. Darcy, Jimmy and Monica had been the best part of that show, and none of them got to do something interesting. Also, no one handled the Westview situation properly. They either wanted to kill off Wanda, or they saw her as a poor victim who did nothing wrong, and none of those was the best option. In TFaTWS, we heard the point of view of everyone about Karli and her cause. Sam and Bucky wanting to reason with her, Walker and Lemar wanting to arrest her, and Zemo believing that no super soldier should be allowed to exist.
But anyways that's just my opinion.
What do you think?