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ALL POSTSTimeline Discussion - Part 14 
<p>In this thread we will discuss the timeline of future MCU installments, TV series and movies, including Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S7 and Helstrom. It is a continuation of Part 13, once the limit is reached.
</p><p>Timeline Discussion - Spin-Off Thread
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<p>Marvelus wrote:
That date contradicts the one we have in the 80s page (for Foggy)
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<p>Curious where that date comes from. Is there really a 5 year age gap between Matt and Foggy ? </p>
<p>Curious where that date comes from. Is there really a 5 year age gap between Matt and Foggy ? </p>
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<p>DieGrinsekatz77 wrote:
The Defenders auction items are listed.
</p><p>There are some new "New York Bulletin" Newspaper articles.
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City warehouse used as toxic dump (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>CAUGHT CHEATING (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>Shooting in Central Park (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>FINALLY BUSTED! (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>FAILED TAX INITIATIVE LEADS TO UNREST (Iron Fist 1) </p><p>DAREDEVIL ATTACKS LOCAL CHURCH (Daredevil 3) </p><p>FEDERAL COURT HEARS FISK APPEAL (Daredevil 3) </p><p>FBI INVESTIGATES ONE OF THEIR OWN (Daredevil 3) </p><p>
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(Source: https://marvel.propstoreauction.com/m/view-auctions/info/id/257/) </p> </i></div>
<p>Oh yeah, knew that was coming up but then forgot about it. Will have to make notes like last time. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Rman823 wrote: Looking through the Netflix series props, and the "Culture Celebration Masks" for Iron Fist would have been a nice opportunity to confirm they're Chinese New Year's masks. </p><p>Also noticed that Foggy's medical tag has a birthdate of 08/30/1986. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yeah they did that last time. Oh well. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Marvelus wrote: That date contradicts the one we have in the 80s page (for Foggy) </p> </i></div>
<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rman823 wrote: Curious where that date comes from. Is there really a 5 year age gap between Matt and Foggy ? </p> </i></div>
<p>Season 3, Episodes 3 and 4, on his ID that Matt steals. Definitely overrules the prop auction. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Sousa.27s_File_.28Brett3801.29">Sousa's File (Brett3801)</span></h3> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Brett3801 wrote: Thank you for bringing up Sousa's file, I've been meaning to bring that up here, as Marvelus and I did some work on that. Some of the dates on it aren't great. I'll summarize what we did here (sorry this message will be long): </p><p>Dates on the File:
Entered on Duty: 1-26-46
Reported to Field: 4-22-46
Last Salary Change: 1-18-46, Basic
Age: 27
Office of Assignment: 4-22-46 assigned Los Angeles
12-1-46 (rest illegible) </p><p>These Dates in Chronological Order:
Last Salary Change (LSC): 1-18-46
Entered on Duty (EOD): 1-26-46
Reported to Field (RTF): 4-22-46
Office of Assignment: 4-22-26 (OOA1)
12-1-46 (OOA2) </p><p>Other Abbreviations Real Quick:
DOB = Date of Birth
MOSAC = <i>Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter</i>
AC1 = <i>Agent Carter</i> Season 1
AC2 = <i>Agent Carter</i> Season 2
ACFTF = <i>Alien Commies from the Future!</i> and forward </p><p>He received a salary change before he started working at the SSR (LSC is before EOD), so the LSC date is when he signed his contract with the SSR, and he never received a pay raise. He then started working there officially on the EOD date. </p><p>RTF is also kind of weird, as it's during AC1. Specifically, it's the same day that Peggy and Jarvis bring Howard back into the country in <i>The Blitzkrieg Button</i>. Nothing else happened that day, so it should be assumed that Sousa entered field duty for something unrelated to Howard or Leviathan. </p><p>With OOA2 being the latest date, the file has to have been written between that and SHIELD's founding, so between 12-1-46 and ca. 1950. Since the file is clearly not part of his hiring, it was likely made as part of another big step in his career. Aside from his SHIELD recruitment (which is slightly too late, as he would be 24 during AC2 and would not have enough time to get a bachelor's degree, which is also stated in the file), the only other major thing we know about is his promotion to chief and assignment to LA. So, the file was made when he was promoted and founded the LA office (per the biography in <i>Out of the Past</i>), on 12-1-46. The file would later be repurposed with a SHIELD letterhead placed on top of it. </p><p>This means he was 27 on 12-1-46, so born between December 2, 1918 and December 1, 1919, so approximately June 2, 1919. While this isn't great with the Nathaniel Malick line pointed out by BEJT, Nathaniel was still very close and could have been rounding. </p><p>The final thing, it must be assumed that Sousa was going to start the LA branch on 4-22-46, per the file, but instead decided to stay in New York, deciding that the Howard/Leviathan stuff was too important to leave behind. </p><p>So, here's Sousa's life:
DOB: June 2, 1919
Joins the Military: "during" WWII according to his page, but before the Siege of Bastogne, so between 12-7-41 and 12-20-44, placing more weight on the earlier date, so approximately 9-10-42
Loses His Leg: As late as possible in the Siege of Bastogne, so 12-27-44
Gets home: Probably right after, so 12-28-44
Meets Peggy: "Six months" before AC1, so 11-7-45
MOSAC: 3-15-46
LSC/Signing Contract: 1-18-46
EOD: 1-26-46
AC1: 4-14-46 (<i>Now is Not the End</i>-<i>Time and Tide</i>)
RTF: 4-22-46
AC1: 4-22-46 (<i>The Blitzkrieg Button</i>-<i>Valediction</i>)
Promotion to Chief/File Gets Made/Reassignment to LA: 12-1-46
AC2: 7-10-47
SHIELD Founding/File Gets Repurposed: 1949/1950-ish
ACFTF: 7-21-55 onward </p><p>If there's anything y'all think we missed, let me know! </p> </i></div>
<p>Thanks, didn't know about the December 1946 date yet from cursory glances. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="FitzSimmons_at_the_Academy_.28additional.29">FitzSimmons at the Academy (additional)</span></h3> <p>Forgot to mention. A while back, Mrmichaelt opened my eyes to a fresh understanding of FitzSimmons' time at the academy that I had never questioned before (I've talked about Season 1 and Season 2, Part 1 being weak spots for me). I revisited that discussion when it came to work on Season 6 and found some more stuff and drew conclusions, and agree with him - FitzSimmons' time at the academy ended in 2004, it didn't begin then. The edit and explanation can be found here, and I fixed it on Fitz and Simmons' pages. </p>
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City warehouse used as toxic dump (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>CAUGHT CHEATING (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>Shooting in Central Park (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>FINALLY BUSTED! (Background of Daredevil 1) </p><p>FAILED TAX INITIATIVE LEADS TO UNREST (Iron Fist 1) </p><p>DAREDEVIL ATTACKS LOCAL CHURCH (Daredevil 3) </p><p>FEDERAL COURT HEARS FISK APPEAL (Daredevil 3) </p><p>FBI INVESTIGATES ONE OF THEIR OWN (Daredevil 3) </p><p>
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(Source: https://marvel.propstoreauction.com/m/view-auctions/info/id/257/) </p> </i></div>
<p>Oh yeah, knew that was coming up but then forgot about it. Will have to make notes like last time. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Rman823 wrote: Looking through the Netflix series props, and the "Culture Celebration Masks" for Iron Fist would have been a nice opportunity to confirm they're Chinese New Year's masks. </p><p>Also noticed that Foggy's medical tag has a birthdate of 08/30/1986. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yeah they did that last time. Oh well. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Marvelus wrote: That date contradicts the one we have in the 80s page (for Foggy) </p> </i></div>
<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rman823 wrote: Curious where that date comes from. Is there really a 5 year age gap between Matt and Foggy ? </p> </i></div>
<p>Season 3, Episodes 3 and 4, on his ID that Matt steals. Definitely overrules the prop auction. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Sousa.27s_File_.28Brett3801.29">Sousa's File (Brett3801)</span></h3> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Brett3801 wrote: Thank you for bringing up Sousa's file, I've been meaning to bring that up here, as Marvelus and I did some work on that. Some of the dates on it aren't great. I'll summarize what we did here (sorry this message will be long): </p><p>Dates on the File:
Entered on Duty: 1-26-46
Reported to Field: 4-22-46
Last Salary Change: 1-18-46, Basic
Age: 27
Office of Assignment: 4-22-46 assigned Los Angeles
12-1-46 (rest illegible) </p><p>These Dates in Chronological Order:
Last Salary Change (LSC): 1-18-46
Entered on Duty (EOD): 1-26-46
Reported to Field (RTF): 4-22-46
Office of Assignment: 4-22-26 (OOA1)
12-1-46 (OOA2) </p><p>Other Abbreviations Real Quick:
DOB = Date of Birth
MOSAC = <i>Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter</i>
AC1 = <i>Agent Carter</i> Season 1
AC2 = <i>Agent Carter</i> Season 2
ACFTF = <i>Alien Commies from the Future!</i> and forward </p><p>He received a salary change before he started working at the SSR (LSC is before EOD), so the LSC date is when he signed his contract with the SSR, and he never received a pay raise. He then started working there officially on the EOD date. </p><p>RTF is also kind of weird, as it's during AC1. Specifically, it's the same day that Peggy and Jarvis bring Howard back into the country in <i>The Blitzkrieg Button</i>. Nothing else happened that day, so it should be assumed that Sousa entered field duty for something unrelated to Howard or Leviathan. </p><p>With OOA2 being the latest date, the file has to have been written between that and SHIELD's founding, so between 12-1-46 and ca. 1950. Since the file is clearly not part of his hiring, it was likely made as part of another big step in his career. Aside from his SHIELD recruitment (which is slightly too late, as he would be 24 during AC2 and would not have enough time to get a bachelor's degree, which is also stated in the file), the only other major thing we know about is his promotion to chief and assignment to LA. So, the file was made when he was promoted and founded the LA office (per the biography in <i>Out of the Past</i>), on 12-1-46. The file would later be repurposed with a SHIELD letterhead placed on top of it. </p><p>This means he was 27 on 12-1-46, so born between December 2, 1918 and December 1, 1919, so approximately June 2, 1919. While this isn't great with the Nathaniel Malick line pointed out by BEJT, Nathaniel was still very close and could have been rounding. </p><p>The final thing, it must be assumed that Sousa was going to start the LA branch on 4-22-46, per the file, but instead decided to stay in New York, deciding that the Howard/Leviathan stuff was too important to leave behind. </p><p>So, here's Sousa's life:
DOB: June 2, 1919
Joins the Military: "during" WWII according to his page, but before the Siege of Bastogne, so between 12-7-41 and 12-20-44, placing more weight on the earlier date, so approximately 9-10-42
Loses His Leg: As late as possible in the Siege of Bastogne, so 12-27-44
Gets home: Probably right after, so 12-28-44
Meets Peggy: "Six months" before AC1, so 11-7-45
MOSAC: 3-15-46
LSC/Signing Contract: 1-18-46
EOD: 1-26-46
AC1: 4-14-46 (<i>Now is Not the End</i>-<i>Time and Tide</i>)
RTF: 4-22-46
AC1: 4-22-46 (<i>The Blitzkrieg Button</i>-<i>Valediction</i>)
Promotion to Chief/File Gets Made/Reassignment to LA: 12-1-46
AC2: 7-10-47
SHIELD Founding/File Gets Repurposed: 1949/1950-ish
ACFTF: 7-21-55 onward </p><p>If there's anything y'all think we missed, let me know! </p> </i></div>
<p>Thanks, didn't know about the December 1946 date yet from cursory glances. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="FitzSimmons_at_the_Academy_.28additional.29">FitzSimmons at the Academy (additional)</span></h3> <p>Forgot to mention. A while back, Mrmichaelt opened my eyes to a fresh understanding of FitzSimmons' time at the academy that I had never questioned before (I've talked about Season 1 and Season 2, Part 1 being weak spots for me). I revisited that discussion when it came to work on Season 6 and found some more stuff and drew conclusions, and agree with him - FitzSimmons' time at the academy ended in 2004, it didn't begin then. The edit and explanation can be found here, and I fixed it on Fitz and Simmons' pages. </p>
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<p>It's curious. It's not Elden Henson's birthdate. His is August 30, 1977.
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<p>Mrmichaelt wrote:
It's curious. It's not Elden Henson's birthdate. His is August 30, 1977.
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<p>Having him closer to his birthdate would make an 8 year age difference between him and Matt which I don't really see. Even with the 1980 date, I always assumed they were close to the same age, born around 84/85. </p>
<p>Having him closer to his birthdate would make an 8 year age difference between him and Matt which I don't really see. Even with the 1980 date, I always assumed they were close to the same age, born around 84/85. </p>
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Indeed. I also thought it was a foregone conclusion they were same age to have really met in their college days. This sure makes things... foggy.
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Exactly. Which is why I'm a little iffy on the 1980 date.
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<p>Hey, it's me, thought I'd show up again...
</p><p>For AoS stuff, if its actually altered history (and not something that has happened but was changed in "the history books") then I think it'd rather be an AR, considering how they played with the whole idea of the relativety of time and predestination paradoxes in the early episodes, meaning that everything that you "change" in the past has already been changed before you did it because the past, including your actions, has already happened... Also, the chronicom lady mentions "branches" or rather "trees" on the timeline, whatever that means...
</p><p>I also have another question that has probably been asked before. In the 2018 Marvel Comics event "Spider-Geddon", which features multiple Spider-Men, Spider-Women and other Spider-Totem hosts from different realities from the Marvel multiverse theres a Spider-Man which is specifically designed to match Tom Hollands/the MCU incarnation of the character strongly indicating (and intending to be so) that that character is indeed from Earth-199999, a similar situation occured in this years "Spider-Verse" (Volume 3) limited series, which showed MCU Peter Parker, or at least a character that was modelled after him, in a vision. If we treat those cameos as canon, then I assume that those events are set relatively late in the timeline? Considering that Peter is not sure about the existence of a or the multiverse in "Spider-Man: Far From Home", they would at least be set after that movie, right?
</p><p>Have a good day and especially a good Independence Day to all citziens of the states.
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<p>Mystery Phantom wrote:
I also have another question that has probably been asked before. In the 2018 Marvel Comics event "Spider-Geddon", which features multiple Spider-Men, Spider-Women and other Spider-Totem hosts from different realities from the Marvel multiverse theres a Spider-Man which is specifically designed to match Tom Hollands/the MCU incarnation of the character strongly indicating (and intending to be so) that that character is indeed from Earth-199999, a similar situation occured in this years "Spider-Verse" (Volume 3) limited series, which showed MCU Peter Parker, or at least a character that was modelled after him, in a vision. If we treat those cameos as canon, then I assume that those events are set relatively late in the timeline? Considering that Peter is not sure about the existence of a or the multiverse in "Spider-Man: Far From Home", they would at least be set after that movie, right?
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<p>You all use the word "Canon" so lightly. Until proven otherwise, that character is not the Earth-199999 version of Spider-Man, simply a character from a different reality similar to it. </p><p>That doesn't make it "non-canon". Simply it is different. </p>
<p>You all use the word "Canon" so lightly. Until proven otherwise, that character is not the Earth-199999 version of Spider-Man, simply a character from a different reality similar to it. </p><p>That doesn't make it "non-canon". Simply it is different. </p>
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<p>Shabook wrote:
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<p>Mystery Phantom wrote:
I also have another question that has probably been asked before. In the 2018 Marvel Comics event "Spider-Geddon", which features multiple Spider-Men, Spider-Women and other Spider-Totem hosts from different realities from the Marvel multiverse theres a Spider-Man which is specifically designed to match Tom Hollands/the MCU incarnation of the character strongly indicating (and intending to be so) that that character is indeed from Earth-199999, a similar situation occured in this years "Spider-Verse" (Volume 3) limited series, which showed MCU Peter Parker, or at least a character that was modelled after him, in a vision. If we treat those cameos as canon, then I assume that those events are set relatively late in the timeline? Considering that Peter is not sure about the existence of a or the multiverse in "Spider-Man: Far From Home", they would at least be set after that movie, right?
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<p>You all use the word "Canon" so lightly. Until proven otherwise, that character is not the Earth-199999 version of Spider-Man, simply a character from a different reality similar to it. </p><p>That doesn't make it "non-canon". Simply it is different. </p> </div> <p>Thought that that'd be the answer. Thanks! </p>
<p>You all use the word "Canon" so lightly. Until proven otherwise, that character is not the Earth-199999 version of Spider-Man, simply a character from a different reality similar to it. </p><p>That doesn't make it "non-canon". Simply it is different. </p> </div> <p>Thought that that'd be the answer. Thanks! </p>
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<p>Hey all! There was a new scene on Instagram today featuring the song "Don't You (Forget About Me)" by Simple Minds in-universe (I think, it stops once Deke hits the thing and Coulson appears), which was released in 1985. It seems like the bulk of <i>The Totally Excellent Adventures of Mack and the D</i> might be after that. Like, they'll do a little bit with Deke and Mack immediately after the Zephyr leaves and do a "three years later" title card (hence Mack's beard and Deke's slightly increased ruggedness, both of which are hilarious to me, especially when juxtaposed). Just thought I'd bring it up.
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