<div class="quote"><i>Brett3801 wrote:
Hi, nice to meet you, Ben 1,000,9111. That would be correct, if not for the fact that Mack were also time-traveling. The Agents clearly still have memories of what history is supposed to be (like how they knew Freddy was supposed to be dead), so Mack would still be Mack, even with that revelation. He remembers all the time he spent with his parents, even if it technically didn't happen in the timeline anymore.</i></div>
<p>Hi! And right, since we're still debating the kind of time-travel this is (vs. Endgame time travel, monolith time travel, etc), signs so far are pointing to the fact that they remember their original past because this is just an alternate reality and hasn't affected their original past, no? </p><p>EDIT: or rewritten history maybe, as Marvelus says below </p>

<p>Okaay, I didn't know that lol. It can't really be the MCU Timeline, because the 1972 for the HWC in season 5 would no longer be accurate. They explictly stated in Episode 5, things are different. So it is not the MCU reality, but an altered one, whether that means new reality, rewritten history, we have dates contradicting each other and it is not following the "Homecoming" thing. It is an intentional thing. </p><p>Project Reclamation was hinted in the episode? Because that was the whole reason for the Lighthouse getting built in the MCU. If not, in this timeline Project Reclamation was replaced by Project Insight. Plus, Project Insight in the MCU was made in 2014, following the Battle of NY, not before. </p><p>It cannot be the main MCU timeline. </p>

<p>It can if Project Insight was covered up. That way, the HWC in Season 5 was never accurate, we just didn't have all of the information, similar to Sousa's death. It was always that they removed him from the timeline, they just didn't know it. </p><p>There wasn't a mention of Project Reclamation, just May's line about the HWC. If it's rewritten history then history would still correct itself (per Deke in the first episode), so Freddy's funeral would be 1976 instead, and the Whitehall/Gideon cheating stuff would be whenever the next ceremony was, thereby allowing the Hive stuff to happen (again, based on Deke's explanation). </p><p>Trust me, I really want it to be an alternate timeline, but we also have to consider that it's not. Even if they're rewriting history, Mack is still Mack and has all of his pre-rewriting memories, since he's time-traveling with them. So we can't really turn to him for evidence at the moment. </p><p>For those of you who watch the DC show <i>Legends of Tomorrow</i>, I think it's like that, where you'll remember if you're also time traveling, but you'll be oblivious if you're in your own time. </p>

<p>Saying it wasn't alternate would call assumption. It is very simple MCU HWC is 1972, in the altered (until further info I will use the word altered) timeline it was in 1976. We have two dates with 4 years of difference. </p><p>We are yet to see how it is all playing out, like I told you last night, May mentioning the HWC is possibly a way to correct things up which would mean the changes are never coming to pass at some point and time fixes itself. Nathaniel is dead in 1976 again, he didn't go to Maveth, which would change Season 3 of the series. You are making more assumptions despite you want to avoid them. </p><p>1st fact: HWC is in 1972 in the MCU. Wilfred died in 1970, and Nathaniel too. Lighthouse was abandoned in 1972 after the HWC (whatever that is) and Project Reclamation is shut down. </p><p>2nd fact: HWC is mentioned in 1976 (not 72) by May due to her memories from 2017-2018, so in a possible 2018 of said future, the agents that are yet to live their adventures will find the Lighthouse saying: "It was built for Project Insight and it got postponed after the HCW from 1976". Wilfred is killed in 1976, and Nathaniel dies in that year too. The Lighthouse was used for Project Insight, not Project Reclamation. </p><p>1st fact --> history; 2nd fact --> altered history. I am not longer using the world alternate until the season ends, or it gets explained first, whatever happens first. </p><p>What we can say it cannot really be the MCU we know (again, whether that means same reality or a new one or whatever new concept we could deal with is TBD). </p>

<p>It's definitely an altered history. Not only do we have Wilfred and Nathaniel living in 73 & 76 (contradicting the flashback in S3) but Mack also mentions what his family did during the Bicentennial which became altered by their kidnapping. </p>

<p>I'm not going to debate the time travel stuff because it's kind of becoming like Endgame. You try to understand it even when you think you've gotten it your still unsure. </p><p>Anyway again liked Daniel and Daisy a lot in this episode. They're really doing a good job staying true to Sousa's character while also evolving him and giving him an arc. His dynamic with Daisy continues to build and a lot of people are starting to make it romantic. I'm not one to really get into relationships in that fan shipping way I just like two characters together and their dynamic and if it ends up being romantic I'm okay with it so long as it serves the story and characters and you could see it. I kind of actually can see it and I am liking them together. I don't know if it'd be wise to drop this in the last season and we still don't know if Daniel could die anyway but we'll see where it goes. While I'd prefer it if Daniel was able to live somewhere if he does die it might feel more fulfilled this time. </p><p>Sure Coulson says he was a hero and his sacrifice meant something in some ways it didn't because he failed to stop Hydra and he didn't die in a manner fitting a hero he just got jumped. Coulson's many deaths including this one feel more like a fitting end. Maybe that's just me. His little speech was performed well and the actor playing Nathaniel mentioned on Elizabeth Henstridge's live stream how it felt like Enver was always on the show and it's true he's settled in well and it kind of makes you wish he had been here longer. I would have gone back and watched sooner for sure and again I haven't watched the show in awhile but I've actually gotten into this season in a way that even when I was watching the show before I only cared about a couple of characters and found one or two storylines cool and also liked seeing actors I recognised pop up and usually I liked them but this story has been entertaining part in thanks to the addition of Daniel for me but I've grown to get invested in other characters like Daisy in a way I wasn't really before. </p><p>Also noticed one of the female agents for next week has the name tag "R. Glass" Wonder if that's a tribute to Ron Glass? Also Happy 50th birthday to Henry Simmons. Mack sure went through a lot in this one. </p>

I think it's a different timeline. There's too many things that are different and they didn't try to explain how all that stuff could have happened originally like they did with Sousa not dying. And I'm sure Mack's parents didn't suddenly vanish in the MCU timeline.

<p>I think it's too soon to draw any conclusions between either option, Brett. It could be either really. Best to note both theories and wait until the season is over. Personally, I'm leaning to towards a different timeline that will be eliminated in the finale or penultimate. </p><p>Also, minor but the logline confirms 1982 as well. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote:
And I'm sure Mack's parents didn't suddenly vanish in the MCU timeline.</i></div>
<p>They didn't. Mack's little brother has their house in Season 3 because they recently moved out or died or something. And since both the original parents are dead, and the Chronicom duplicates are dead... </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>They didn't. Mack's little brother has their house in Season 3 because they recently moved out or died or something. And since both the original parents are dead, and the Chronicom duplicates are dead... </p> </i></div>
Yes, the episode was "Wathchdogs". Ruben said the house was in default. Have to rewatch that one. I guess if one were to speculate in terms of the predestination theory, if the wording in that episode was vague enough - the Naperville house could actually turn out to have been their foster parents' house.