<div class="quote"><i> <p>BEJT wrote: Lincoln was supposedly born on April 17, 1985. I don't remember the source for this (or if there is one). The 1980s page says Ascension. It's also Luke Mitchell's date of birth, so could have just been mistakenly added by someone assuming it's about the same - but the show gave Simmons Elizabeth Henstridge's birthday, so it could be genuine. Does anyone know the source? </p> </i></div>
According to an old file I had it noted a April 17, 1985 D.O.B. was on Lincoln's I.D. badge but I didn't have a reference. But an I.D. badge would likely narrow it down to the season 3 premiere "Laws of Nature" when Lincoln was working at the hospital but since I didn't denote the episode, it's likely there was a social media post of his I.D. badge around the time the episode aired or a hi-res still from the episode. Still there's only really the opening hospital scene or the montage as President Ellis is giving his speech about the ATCU and the hospital worker shows Rosalind and Banks either Lincoln's photo or credentials (I don't know off the top of my head) where that info could have appeared on-screen.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BEJT wrote: No I'm glad you're asking. It's a bit of a complicated one. </p><p>OK, so let me get this straight: </p>

• Lincoln was supposedly born on April 17, 1985. I don't remember the source for this (or if there is one). The 1980s page says <i>Ascension</i>. It's also Luke Mitchell's date of birth, so could have just been mistakenly added by someone assuming it's about the same - but the show gave Simmons Elizabeth Henstridge's birthday, so it could be genuine. Does anyone know the source?
• Lincoln's car crash/arrival should be after he turned 18. He should have been at Afterlife at the very least for a year by April 17, 2015.
• James and Lincoln knew each other at Afterlife, so James left some time after Lincoln arrived (and before Skye arrived).
• Lincoln underwent Terrigenesis after James left. I'm rusty on Season 3, is that because he reacts a certain way to Lincoln having powers when they see each other again?

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<p>Regarding your points separately: </p>

• I rewatched all of Lincoln's scenes in <i>Ascension</i> and found absolutely nothing indicating any sort of birthday for him. I even watched the scenes after his death thinking they might have had an obituary or something, but no such luck. Based on Mrmichaelt's post, I checked out his scenes in <i>Laws of Nature</i> as well (the only two I could find were Lash attacking the hospital and Banks showing the picture, no credentials) and once again found nothing. There was also no social media post about him that season on Instagram. However, I do trust Mrmichaelt's notes, so for now I say we stick with that birthday unless somebody has a better suggestion.
• I'd argue for you being correct. The car crash is definitely after his 18th birthday (April 17, 2003) and he was definitely in Afterlife at least a year before Daisy got there (April 17, 2015, so arriving no later than April 17, 2014). Giving us a huge time gap to work with, hence my point about flexibility regarding the amount of time between events that I previously stated.
• Yes, James had to leave before Daisy's April 17, 2015 arrival. They were seemingly close friends.
• Lincoln's Terregenesis has to be after James Leaves, yes because of James' surprised reaction to Lincoln having powers. The exact quote from James is: "I'm sorry, I just can't get over the irony of this whole situation. Jiaying elected to give <i>you</i> powers?... Makes me wonder what you've been giving her." The grossness of that joke aside (although it's hard to set aside), it clearly implies that James is only now learning that Lincoln underwent Terrigenesis, hence it was after he left.

<p>For the sake of avoiding having to scroll everywhere, I will copy-and-paste our date options assuming we stick with April 17, 1985 as Lincoln's birthday, given what we do know (I'll ignore the one that doesn't date Lincoln's Terrigenesis as we seem to be wanting to date it). </p><p>Here are the dates for dividing everything into fourths and assigning the dates there: </p><p>Car Crash: April 16, 2005
James Leaves: April 16, 2007
Lincoln's Terrigenesis: April 15, 2009 </p><p>Here are the dates for when you split the time into thirds for the car crash and James leaving, but then place Lincoln's Terrigenesis halfway between James leaving and April 2014 (since he really should have had his powers for at least a year given the dates being used, at least in my opinion): </p><p>Car Crash: December 16, 2006
James Leaves: August 16, 2010
Lincoln's Terrigenesis: December 15, 2012 </p><p>I still believe the second option fits slightly more, for the same reasons (that I'll again reiterate simply for the sake of not having to worry about scrolling through really long messages). I think it would be a little too coincidental for every important detail of Lincoln's life pre-Daisy to have happened near his birthday (including meeting Daisy), and the second option provides more variety. It also allows for more time for Lincoln and James to develop the friendship they seem to have had before he left. And while losing time for Lincoln to have gotten his powers and for him to be in Afterlife at all, still gives enough time for Jiaying trusting him to train Daisy being believable. It's also believable the Lincoln's terrigenesis would be near the anniversary of the car crash (as like a six-year anniversary gift), so two December dates right near each other works. </p><p>I hope that clarified everything! </p>

<p>What episode did Lincoln officially become an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. - he might have been issued a badge and I.D. card with his D.O.B. on it like "1985APR17", or again maybe it was posted on social media when that episode aired or the prop later showed up online in better resolution so all the data could be seen. "Watchdogs" maybe - when Coulson tested him the field when they went after Felix Blake? </p>

<p>@BEJT, thank you for those timings on the "Ant-Man" film. </p><p>The Lincoln's DOB was added by Bratpack 4 years ago, it came from an ID Badge seen in "Ascension". </p>

<p>Aha! The image of it is in the wiki: </p><p> </p><p>It's called "BTS Lincoln's Badge.png" and I'm not sure if it's promotional or a screenshot, but it 100% says "April 17, 1985." It's linked as a reference on Lincoln's wiki page for his ID number. So that's definitely something we can move forward with for being his birthday. </p><p>I'm not sure why I didn't see it the first time, but there we have it. </p>

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• Markus stands by old Steve being at Peggy's funeral. No, I do not want any discussion on this. I will tear my hair out.

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<p>OMG I am so over Markus and McFeely's statements about Steve always being there. It just doesn't fit the logic of the movie, and invalidates the character choices THEY made for Steve, Sharon and Peggy, particularly in Peggy's own TV show. </p>

<p>They are correct tho. </p><p>*inserts comment and runs away from problem* </p><p>It does fit with the logic of the movie. Remove a stone, you create a branch, you don't remove, nothing happenes. Does it rewrite a timeline? We don't know. </p><p>*I run away from the conversation* </p>

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They are correct tho. <p>*inserts comment and runs away from problem* </p> </i></div>
<p>If they are correct, then Steve is an even bigger villain than Thanos. Because he knew the Snap was coming and did NOTHING to help Earth prepare for it. He knew HYDRA had Bucky and was within SHIELD and did nothing to help him. He knew he would make out with his own great-niece and didn't stop himself. </p><p>The only way Endgame does not turn into a character assassination of Steve Rogers is if he was in an alternate timeline with an alternate Peggy. Also, the Loki who got away with the Tesseract is an alternate Loki. The Gamora who survived the massacre of Thanos' forces at Tony's hands is an alternate Gamora. They both still exist, which means their respective timelines still exist. Which is proof enough that Steve lived his life with an alternate Peggy. </p>

<p>And, per BEJT's request, we are done talking about that. They (I'm not sure I ever learned BEJT's pronouns, so that's who I'm referring to be clear) have a blog where they talk about it in great detail about Markus and McFeely being correct, there have been to Caps since 1949. This is a huge flaw with <i>Endgame</i>, and kind of a headache to continue to talk about, some I'm glad this very linkable blog explains it well. I linked specifically the section that talks about whether Cap and Clint created new timelines or if that always happened (Clint always arrived at that random point in time, stole his son's glove, and left), and they decided that there was no split, this was the whole timeline. You took one piece of evidence, and yes, both sides have flaws, and they are more than well presented in BEJT's blog. This wiki is taking the (more favorable) stance that there were no new timelines involved when Steve and Clint jumped in time, end of discussion. </p>

<p>The result of time travel will fall on the shoulders will fall on those will produce time-travel related stories and multiverse story in the MCU in the future. I hope they'll use it wisely, but Marvel Studios have shown that they sometimes tend to forget their own "rules" for the sake of narrative (which i, with the passing of the years, tend to be more lenient about it). </p><p>Did any of you remembered that Asgard was meant to be in another dimension in <i>Thor</i>? </p>