<h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Deadpooled123.27s_Questions_.28Deadpooled123.29">Deadpooled123's Questions (Deadpooled123)</span></h3> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Deadpooled123 wrote: I am checking, l want to make sure there's no inconsistencies as l lost all the data l had earlier last year. </p> </i></div>
<p>No worries. Just saying a lot of what you're looking for, unless it's <i>Cloak & Dagger</i>: Season 2, <i>Jessica Jones</i>: Season 3, or <i>Runaways</i>: Season 3 really, you should be able to find enough detail for on the timeline pages. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Deadpooled123 wrote: Disney+ allows downloads via mobile devices so it could be easier to pause and play as the first Marvel Studios television show, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, is underway in the fall.  </p><p>One key note to always think of before adding or adjusting any sort of timelines is when they say "It's part of the MCU" which translates to it's in the same world but does not directly link to the movies as Marvel Studios is the one up in terms of the past hierarchy, no longer exists, of the continuity process. I feel like people keep forgetting about how good Marvel Studios and Kevin Fiege really are and it comes off as frustrating because no show or movie seems like a loose thread *cough Please Sony, don't put Tom Holland in Venom 2 cough* </p> </i></div>
<p>I'm not sure I quite followed all of that, are you saying that the hierarchy is dissolved now because of everything becoming Marvel Studios? </p><p>And that people are forgetting how great Feige and Marvel Studios are because of the frustration that several things are up in the air and uncertain at the moment? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Deadpooled123 wrote: Also, where is the Cloak and Dagger s2 notes? Haven't been able to pinpoint them on the discussions by year </p> </i></div>
<p>I only do my detailed notes for the Netflix stuff. The rest I just do rough simple notes, either on the discussion or on the draft pages. <i>Cloak & Dagger</i>: Season 2's rough notes are here, and <i>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.</i>: Season 6 here, both on the draft pages. Their "events" (the specific events with their own pages, in bold on timeline pages - not just "all the things that happen") are on the timeline pages as placeholders until they're written up properly. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Runaways:_Season_3_.28Mrmichaelt.2C_Deadpooled123.29"><i>Runaways</i>: Season 3 (Mrmichaelt, Deadpooled123)</span></h3> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Mrmichaelt wrote: Well, another thing to possibly consider about the Eng Lit 301 thing is there's the possibility that she took AP or IB college prep courses and any credits she earned were accepted by her college letting her skip a remedial English course. I get that's a stretch but all angles should be considered, imo. </p> </i></div>
<p>Perhaps, but I just feel that the 301 gives us further justification for the idea you mentioned that it's just a future timetable. Because whatever the case, Karolina is highly unlikely to be in 3rd year at college 3 years on from Season 3, Episode 9, suggesting it <i>is</i> a future timetable (not the intention, clearly, just their further mistake has helped us). </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Deadpooled123 wrote: Keep in mind that Runaways s2 ends with half a week before February 2018, so you might end up finding out that Runaways s3 could end up starting late January. Also, it's very fascinating that the timeline hasn't messed up considering the unneccessary shuffling that unfolded to the start of Marvel Television which didn't last long. </p> </i></div>
<p>As things stand, <i>Runaways</i>: Season 3 would begin on January 30, 2018, they would come out of the Dark Dimension on August 4, 2018, and Gert would die on August 8th. But we might need to add an extra couple of weeks, because the anniversary of Gert's death should not be August 8, 2021, but rather late August 2021 to be school time. </p><p>I don't really understand what you're referring to about the unnecessary shifting to the start of Marvel Television which didn't last long that might have messed up the timeline. </p><p>
</p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Canon_All_Tied_Together_.28ProBot1227.29">Canon All Tied Together (ProBot1227)</span></h3> <div class="quote"><i> <p>ProBot1227 wrote: Luke Cage and Cloak & Dagger reference each other, so it's a two way reference. Netflix references Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. vice versa. WHiH Newsfront references Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. </p> </i></div>
<p>You're correct, the O'Reilly reference did slip my mind. What has there been in the way of <i>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.</i> references in Netflix and vice versa other than GT Agrochemical, St. Agnes, Creel, and the Judas bullets? I can't remember. </p><p>My point though is that it doesn't all unravel if you remove some bits. If you remove <i>Iron Fist</i>, you lose <i>The Defenders</i>, and then lose all the rest of Netflix because it all is inextricably linked and falls apart. But just because you've lost those doesn't mean that you <i>have</i> to lose <i>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.</i> or <i>Cloak & Dagger</i> just because they reference them. It doesn't fully unravel that far back, they still make sense on their own and you can just assume that St. Agnes didn't necessarily have Matt Murdock stay there, some Chitauri-based bullets were made, Carl Creel didn't necessarily have a boxing background, GT Agrochemical didn't necessarily end up entangled with Jessica Jones. They're not inextricably linked beyond the Netflix things being one inextricable package, <i>Cloak & Dagger</i> and <i>Runaways</i> one inextricable package, and <i>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.</i> and <i>Agent Carter</i> kind of given the <i>Watchdogs</i> episode and possible things in <i>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.</i>: Season 7. </p><p>It's all linked, I agree. I'm just saying that unfortunately, I don't feel the interlinking is all a 100% defence, because it doesn't <i>all unravel</i> if you remove one piece necessarily. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BEJT wrote: Perhaps, but I just feel that the 301 gives us further justification for the idea you mentioned that it's just a future timetable. Because whatever the case, Karolina is highly unlikely to be in 3rd year at college 3 years on from Season 3, Episode 9, suggesting it <i>is</i> a future timetable (not the intention, clearly, just their further mistake has helped us). </p> </i></div>
Agreed, she also just seems the type to do that kind of preppy thing.

<p>6 months, 22 days and 4 hours of the Runaways being in the Dark Dimension would result them not leaving August 4 but rather leaving August 23 (in defense of the timeframe jump, it's exactly fits considering the previous episode happens upon February 1 2018.  </p><p>I feel like Kevin Fiege will abuse continuity because there's this gut feeling the Inhumans cast will be rebooted (which it SHOULD NOT BE). That's really my concern because at the end of that first season, their habitat is a football stadium so why not continue on from the show rather than starting from scratch again? It would be a lot easier if Spider-Man just reverts back to Marvel Studios 100%, it doesn't make any difference as Disney holds a lot at the moment.  </p><p>The problem with Marvel Television being a subsidiary of Marvel Studios and then being merged with Marvel Studios as a whole is narrative. You really have to explain where the characters have been if you want to use them in a new environment and the perfect example of this is Kingpin with Spider-Man and Daredevil comes in the background as backup material. Problem is, is Sony! Can you imagine how frustrating it would be for Kevin Fiege to listen to Sony wanting Tom Holland in Venom 2 where the first movie was something ripped out of a 2001 popular, by chance, release? He would be ripping his hair out!  </p><p>It's not the hierarchy of Marvel Studios, it's how they go about their story-telling. It's getting to a point where they need to revolutionise their methods. An example is having a television show in the beat of the 2014 film Birdman where the show is set in the MCU but more focuses on a methodical perspective where you have characters dealing with/for something after the events have occurred. Like, a real grounded affair of true events but set in a fictional world. Something like that can really alter the audience of who watches the MCU and can make it far more flexible than what it is.  </p><p>More characters, more timeline organisation... hopefully this sort of decision actually happens as Fiege overlooks 90% now as of Jan 2020.  </p>

<p>As I said above: </p><p>"I have seen people focusing too much on the computer saying it hasn't been backed up in 6 months, 22 days, and 4 hours. They were only gone for 6 months, as Dale says in the following episode that it's Day 189 of him living off-the-grid, making it 188 or 189 days (I'm assuming 189, since the end of Season 2, Episode 10 is evening as they drive off, with Season 3, Episode 1 opening 36 hours later and it's morning - plus it fits slightly better with the computer having not been backed up since around the time Alex was possessed) since the end of Season 2. Alex just hasn't backed it up since around the time he was possessed." </p><p>I'm OK with <i>Inhumans</i> being rebooted, because a) it was pretty bad and b) it doesn't unravel anything else, so long as it's a one-off. But rebooting it does vindicate the wrong people and open up an unfortunate question for everything else... again, don't really want to talk about that as a possibility. </p><p>Not sure Feige has much hair left😂, but yeah he <i>definitely</i> doesn't want to deal with the <i>SUoMC</i>. </p><p>I don't think it's too hard to explain the full merging with Netflix though. Spider-Man was just caught up with street crime and didn't realise Fisk was such a threat until he was gone, or didn't know how to deal with something in that league. Who knows, honestly you could even just not explain it. He's just been there and Spider-Man happened to not deal with him and you can fill in the blanks, the way we already do. </p><p>I have mixed feelings about the <i>MCU</i> and its rigid storytelling. I stand up for Marvel Studios when people say all their films are the same, they're not. But at the same time, one of my major problems with the loss of Marvel Television is that, even though Marvel Studios dabble in different genres and styles, there is definitely nonetheless a uniformity to it - a certain sheen and confines to it. Marvel Television afforded more opportunities outside of those confines. It's not about "R-rated" specifically as some people have reduced it to, it's just freedom and lack of restraint to tell stories such as <i>Jessica Jones</i>: Season 1. This kind of thing (not necessarily "the balls" so much as just "the freedom"). </p><p>And I like how the <i>MCU</i> films have a certain feel to them regardless, it makes it feel like a tight construct, and for that reason I don't like the idea of Deadpool joining the <i>MCU</i>, because his fourth wall-breaking shatters that integrity - and I don't think his style gels with the <i>MCU</i> anyway. I know people argue "Well, they're all in the same universe in the comics and no one minds", but the comics aren't relying on that interconnectivity. The comics are just built with it inherent in their foundations, just the Marvel brand happening to exist in the same universe while all doing their own thing and happening to have that opportunity available to them to cross over whenever they want. But the whole thing about the <i>MCU</i> <i>is</i> that it's interconnected, it's the whole pitch that the Marvel Studios content should all be built in an intricate web. Messing with the universe in one messes with everything. </p><p>But, while I wanted more crossover, I otherwise liked the Marvel Studios/Marvel Television setup, having that tightly-woven set of Marvel Studios content with the shared style all together, and then Marvel Television being afforded the opportunities to take more risks, get darker, or lighter, whatever suited them. And the Marvel Studios content being the tent-pole big special moments of the year, and Marvel Television tiding you over between. </p><p>It's been pointed out that with Disney absorbing Fox, you might not get things like <i>Logan</i> again anymore. When <i>Logan</i> came out, a podcast I love said "Do something like that for Steve Rogers in the <i>MCU</i>!" and it made me think about how the way the <i>MCU</i> functions, that wouldn't work. The reason <i>Logan</i> has the freedom to do what it does is that the <i>X-Men Universe</i>'s continuity is very loose. It's not tightly woven together and it's riddled with mistakes, so it gets to just do its own thing without regard for anything else. You don't have to worry when watching the rest of the films coming out after about "Well, what's the point, since we know that all the X-Men die in 2028 anyway?" because it doesn't feel like one tight timeline. But the way the <i>MCU</i> is, if you jumped forward in time and revealed that the world is still fine and everything decades in the future, and the Avengers are around - until a certain point where they all die, then you've just ruined everything that then comes out that's set prior. Plus at this point, taking established characters down darker/grittier routes would feel jarring. </p><p>We'll see, they seem to be saying that with Disney+ they'll get more out-there with things. I just still feel like nonetheless it will all be that Marvel Studios sheen, which is a shame to me. </p><p>As for what you say about timeline organisation, honestly, this Marvel Television thing is great for the timeline. It means there's less content coming out (even though it feels like more because they're making everything "special"), and it's all overseen by one group and certain things like the Snap don't cause timeline problems anymore. I just wish that it was Marvel Television falling under the Feige umbrella, not Marvel Television being dissolved and some of its staff taken by Feige. </p>

<p>About moving up Cloak & Dagger in a hypothetical moving of Runaways to 2019 (which I know we're not doing but I wanted to mention anyways), in an interview with Olivia and Aubrey, they confirmed that there is a substantial time skip between when we see them on the bus in C&D 2, and when they arrive to the Hostel in Runaways 3 and they've had off-screen adventures. </p><p>I believe the exact answer even referenced them not coming straight from the bus to Nico. So if we were to move Runaways to late 2018 to mid 2019 (which I know we're not), we could leave C&D 2 intact in late 2017. </p><p>Ironically enough, they're still wearing the exact same clothes they were wearing on the bus, so the wardrobe department could've at least given them new outfits LOL </p>

<p>My point wasn't so much that. I absolutely read it as not immediately after Season 2, and that they had off-screen adventures. It's the fact that Season 2 ends with a reference to Destiny's body being found. So, if <i>Runaways</i>: Season 1 were moved to December 2018, you would either have to move <i>Cloak & Dagger</i>: Season 2 to October-December 2018 instead of 2017 (and hence Season 1 February-March 2018 instead of 2017), or add a year's jump between Delgado reading the letter from Tyrone and the bus. </p>

Dogs of Hell connects AoS with NF too.

Movie about Morbius at the MCU?

<p>Nope. Well, it is clearly intended to be in that way, but it is not. </p>

<p>Until official confermation, it had to be considered a differen Adrian Toomes from a different continuity. </p><p>Is funny because, while they were their eager to put the Spider-Man graffiti that referenced Mysterio's death, they couldn't even use the actual MCU's costume design. </p>