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ALL POSTSHave they consciously stopped killing the main villains?
<p>Not counting Thanos, who stayed hidden in the shadows behind Loki with The Other serving as his mouthpiece, there were six main villains in Phase 1: Obadiah Stane, the Abomination, Ivan Vanko, Justin Hammer, Loki, and Red Skull. Of those, half of them died.
</p><p>Phase 2 killed all its main villains (not counting Loki and Thanos who weren't directly the main villains of Phase 2 films): Aldrich Killian, Malekith, Alexander Pierce, Ronan the Accuser, Ultron, and Darren Cross.
</p><p>Now, for Phase 3. Helmut Zemo certainly survived, Kaecilius is a little more ambiguous but is widely believed to be turned into a Mindless One, plus the whole mention of "eternal life" (though the exact nature of this isn't revealed), so his survival is a more popular interpretation.
</p><p>Is this a trend in Phase 3? I guess we'll find out in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Spiderman Homecoming, Thor Ragnarok, and Black Panther. Of course, as I said before, even if Thanos loses he's most certainly going to survive, unless they go back to their old style in Phase 4 and have Thanos encounter Dormammu somehow
</p><p>I'm not gonna say my opinion on the types of villain defeat again because I often feel insecure about having unpopular opinions (and even the pony fandom gave me a hard time for them) but if this is a conscious decision on their part I think I can guess why - because today fans find the villain deaths to be too cliche and overused. Lately this is the only series where people have been satisfied with the films (or episodes in the case of TV series) that did this, aside from the obvious Joffrey and Ramsay in Game of Thrones. Disney movies and Supernatural are doing this too following the deaths of King Candy in Wreck-It Ralph and Abaddon in Season 9, respectively.
</p><p>But, as Kaecilius is still ambiguous we can't be 100% sure yet.
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<p>I think I remember Feige saying in an interview that he noticed fans' reactions or feelings about the villains and he said that they were going to try and change the villains in future movies. So, yes I think they did decide to let some villains live. Plus fans are hoping for teams like Masters of Evil and Sinister Six, which would require villains living.
</p><p>But there are also theories that Red Skull and Ultron survived.
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<p>Seriously? I thought this was just a pattern I noticed coz I was giving it too much thought. So there is something to this trend I've been mentioning with Marvel, Disney, and Supernatural?
</p><p>Still, Kaecilius appears to be the exception, even I thought he was nothing special compared to some of the others, plus he could still be dead. If they were going to change the villains that way, why didn't they make him stand out? (Answer: They tried, by giving him a tragic backstory coz that's how most fans like their villains nowadays ever since Naruto, which btw I might start watching)
</p><p>So now I know they're never killing another villain again unless they leave it ambiguous so they could potentially return, like Ultron, and Red Skull before it was revealed mortals die if they touch Infinity Stones
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<p>But nowadays fans prefer for good characters to die (unless it's their favorite character/s) which is one of the reasons why I think Thanos will win. The first film of Phase 3 had villain victory even though Zemo was imprisoned, even though the heroes have always won before then, as has Doctor Strange but he may yet have a chance in Phase 4
</p><p>I understand they're trying to please the majority, but its willingness to have the classic old-fashioned ending, often in spectacular ways (especially Ronan), while still being fun and loved by everyone else, made it the perfect series for me, and now this decision is starting to lose me, but I'll stick around until Avengers 4 when Phase 3 is over
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<p>Hopefully they do.. cause' judging by Michael Keaton's performance as Vulture in the trailer, damnnn, he looks so sick.
</p><p>I do hope we do get to see more of Ultron and Red Skull, cause I want to see more of these (apart from Loki) and more of Zemo cause' Zemo was so sick in Civil War.
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