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<p>people have had many theories on where the soul stone is, from heimdall, to dr strange to even mjolnir. everyone was looking for a single being/object for the soul stone to be housed in, when they should have been thinking bigger, much BIGGER. I believe the soul stone is the life force of all asgardians, the very essence of asgards divinity, and the very location of Valhalla! now before you say im crazy let me explain.
</p><p>heimdall was considered a likely candidate for the soul stone because he could see ten trillion souls, but there was somebody who showed much more promise as the wielder of the soul stone, and that was odin. odin enchanted mjolnir with the ability to read souls, he could sense the life forces of frost giants entering his trophy room, he created the destroyer, which is seemingly controlled by the soul of its wielder, the magic odin wields is orange in color and odin changed loki's natural form from frost giant to asgardian.
now you may be thinking, "doesn't this prove odin is the sole wielder of the soul stone?" and to you I say nay! the odin force AKA soul stone's energy flows through all asgardians.
we have seen that heimdall's eyes are orange, this indicates that he is imbued with the power of the soul stone, though to a lesser extant than odin; we see that the power odin wields in his fight with the frost giants, the color of heimdall's eyes, the color of the soul forge and the force field defending asgard are all the same color; infact, almost all the energy in asgard is of the same orange colour. these facts lead me to the conclusion that the soul stone is the odin force, the very life force of asgard. if this is true then that would explain many things about asgard that science cant in the mcu.
</p><p>1. odin sleep. when odin uses his mystic/cosmic power it drains his soul, which is why he enters the odinsleep to recharge it.
</p><p>2.mjolnirs enchantment. odin imbued mjolnir with the soul stone's AKA Odin force's power to read souls.
</p><p>3.asgardians semi-immortality. because the soul stone is the source of all life on asgard they live much longer than mortal's.
</p><p>4. odin's ability to turn thor mortal and loki into a asgardian. because odin is the supreme god of asgard, he can take the soul stones energy out of asgardians, turning them mortal. he can also imbue beings with the soul stones power turning them into asgardians.
</p><p>as you can see the evidence is clearly in favour of my theory.
</p><p>in AOU thor has a vision showing the asgardians presumably dead and heimdall blinded, this is extremely important to my theory. in the comics the soul stone houses a pocket dimension inside of itself, where souls live in a heavenly state, sound familiar? the mcu adapts the gems to fit the story, and because according to my theory the gem will be appearing in thor ragnarok, it is only logical to assume the pocket dimension in the stone will have a Viking spin. I believe the dimension in the stone is Valhalla, heimdall is blind because he cannot see beyond the pocket universe and the asgardians are partying in Viking heaven. according to my theory the soul stone will be the H in thanos.
</p><p>T. space stone, tessaract
H. soul stone, heaven
A. reality stone, aether
N. time stone necklace
O. power stone, orb
S. mind stone, scepter
</p><p>please post your thoughts.
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He likely will. I believe its the first Stone he collects
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<p>Actually, she was referring to Surtur's skull when she said that. All she said about the Tesseract was, "that's not bad." And how am I "confusing her motivations with theories?" When she was arrived in Asgard, she said "it's our destiny to rule them all," referring to the Nine Realms- meaning Asgard is just a stepping stone.
</p><p>The reason I said "pretty sure" is because the timeline of the MCU is all sorts of messed up right now, so it's hard to BE sure. The reason I'm sure though is because Thor appeared to know about the Tesseract, so it appears to be as though it got lost in his lifetime.
</p><p>I know the Eternal Flame was a plot-advancing macguffin, I've seen the movie like you. But that's the entire point. All of the Infinify Stones have been introduced in that manner, and with the exception of the Time Stone, none have really shown their true capabilities. The Eternal Flame seems to just be another poorly explained artifact to me. All we know about it is that it controls the dead and it was taken from Surtur to prevent Ragnarok. But it's never explained where it originally came from. I seriously doubt it was an extract of Surtur's power because he's never had the power to control the dead, and the MCU doesn't alter characters' abilities that significantly.
</p><p>By the way, the Eternal Flame shows the Soul Stone's abilities better than the Aether shows the Reality Stone's powers. And of course this is smoke, it's still just a theory!!! The reason I support it so much is because it's still a possibility, and better than some of the current theories. Sure, it has its flaws, but so did the Wakanda theory (how would the Soul Stone end up in the core of a METEOR????). The most likely theory is that it's somewhere we haven't seen yet, but I just like the Eternal Flame theory more personally.
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<p>The Flame isn't what controlled the Beserkers though, it merely created them from dead Asgardians.
</p><p>And, since it's fire, and Surtur is a Fire Demon, I'm willing to bet such a power is naturally occurring for him. How they managed to either steal it from him or prevent him from obtaining it, who knows.
</p><p>However, the only Stone shown not to originally be solid matter was the Aether. Every other Stone was already in their 'regular' form.
</p><p>It's more likely that the Soul Stone is something that has to be powered, or fed like in the comics before it can be utilized than it being the Eternal Flame.
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<p>Hugues de Payens wrote:
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<p>AdamMagus wrote:
I saw a theory that postulates that the Eternal Flame is indeed the Soul Stone, in a form much alike the Aether.
</p><p>SPOILERS
</p><p>It revived the Draugr, Fenris and gave Surtur his strength back.
</p><p>What do you think??
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<p>I don't think so. In Thor: The Dark World Odin said </p><p>"While the other relics often appeared as stones, the Aether is fluid and ever changing." </p><p>That, to me, indicates that only the Reality Stone has a nonstone appearance. </p><p>Plus the Asgardians didn't want the Aether and the Tesseract together in the vault for safety reasons. So it would seem unlikely that they would have the Soul Stone close to the Space Stone. </p> </div> <p>Also, this </p>
<p>I don't think so. In Thor: The Dark World Odin said </p><p>"While the other relics often appeared as stones, the Aether is fluid and ever changing." </p><p>That, to me, indicates that only the Reality Stone has a nonstone appearance. </p><p>Plus the Asgardians didn't want the Aether and the Tesseract together in the vault for safety reasons. So it would seem unlikely that they would have the Soul Stone close to the Space Stone. </p> </div> <p>Also, this </p>
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<p>What makes you say the Eternal Flame created the Berserkers? She also used it on her former pet. I mean, she was a b****, don't get me wrong, but she did seem genuinely hurt to see how Fenris was treated after her banishment, and genuinely happy to see him again whe she brought him back. Considering that she clearly knew the Eternal Flame's powers, I doubt she would have reacted in the way she did if revived Fenris wasn't actually Fenris.
</p><p>And I'm well aware of that line from Odin. The thing is, it reads the complete opposite way to me. The line, as pointed out, is "while the other relics OFTEN appeared as stones...", which tells me that another one might take a different form. If he were just to say "while the other relics appeared as stones...", I would agree with you. But the word "often" is in there, meaning that MOST of the other Infinity Stones are still in stone form, not ALL of the others.
</p><p>As for the friggin' "two stones on Asgard" argument, that has been countered so many times that pulling it out just makes it soind like you can't accept the possibility of the Eternal Flame being the Soul Stone. It's an even weaker argument than the orange sand.
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<p>The Eternal Flame revived the fallen Asgardians into the Berserkers, who themselves are essentially the Draugr from mythology. Fenris, being a different species, may have been affected differently, though I've nothing concrete to base that on except for how it affected the dead Asgardians (who I thought were turned into stars or something like in TDW).
</p><p>Also, I'm not reviving the two Stones on Asgard argument (which I have yet to see countered, just argued against), I was just quoting Hugues' post about what Odin said. And I disagree with the "often" argument you're making, because the Infinity Stones have also been referred to by their vessels (i.e. Tesseract, Eye of Agamotto, etc.).
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<p>Has anybody else noticed that SCARLET WITCH'S POWERS ARE INFINITY-STONE ORANGE? There's a thread that seems to have been forgotten, but never resolved, about how the Aether may fit better as the soul gem, everyone just assumed it was the reality gem, but there doesn't appear to be any corroboration of tha fact from Marvel (every wiki just quotes every other wiki)
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29752
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</p> <hr><p>MY THEORY (as posted on the other thread, linked above) </p> <hr><p>
I realize this is an extremely old thread, but given the fact that the movie is coming out (and every wiki out there assumes that the aether is the reality stone), I feel I should get my theories out there. </p><p>I agree with the people above that the aether is probably the soul gem. The liquid, blood-like appearance, the possesion, the sapping of life force, etc make it seem that way more than anything else. If you're truly desperate for an explanation for the plan to convert the universe into dark matter, call that converting "the soul/life-force of the universe" from light to darkness, or something. People seem to forget that all of the reality-bending effects (gravity, etc) in the dark world were do to the CONVERGENCE, not the Aether (which does very little beyond possess Jane). Also, people don't appear to have noticed this comment in the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRsSjL3bs3k&feature=youtu.be&t=30
"soul forge" seems an oddly random name to assign to the thing if it's NOT a movie about the soul stone. </p><p>As for the Orange stone, it's the perfect red herring for marvel if everyone's been looking for a soul gem, when in fact the reality gem is the only one missing. I'd invite people to take a look at the orange, gauntlet-oval shaped stone around scarlet witch's neck in age of ultron, then watch this scene again, and tell me that her powers aren't actually blood orange like the final stone (not, in fact, scarlet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlN4PxQ_dJo
Joss Whedon has already played with intentional misnomers before in the marvel universe. He named Quake (as in EARTHquake) "Sky" in Agents of Shield.
Given how scarlet witch DOES have the power to mess with the laws of physics (with no real imposed limit yet), and did put fake visions in the minds of several avengers (hulk, thor, etc) as her opening act, it presents a solid case for the reality stone as the source of her powers. Ask yourself just how much of your rejection of this theory is based on her name having the word "scarlet" in it? </p>
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</p> <hr><p>MY THEORY (as posted on the other thread, linked above) </p> <hr><p>
I realize this is an extremely old thread, but given the fact that the movie is coming out (and every wiki out there assumes that the aether is the reality stone), I feel I should get my theories out there. </p><p>I agree with the people above that the aether is probably the soul gem. The liquid, blood-like appearance, the possesion, the sapping of life force, etc make it seem that way more than anything else. If you're truly desperate for an explanation for the plan to convert the universe into dark matter, call that converting "the soul/life-force of the universe" from light to darkness, or something. People seem to forget that all of the reality-bending effects (gravity, etc) in the dark world were do to the CONVERGENCE, not the Aether (which does very little beyond possess Jane). Also, people don't appear to have noticed this comment in the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRsSjL3bs3k&feature=youtu.be&t=30
"soul forge" seems an oddly random name to assign to the thing if it's NOT a movie about the soul stone. </p><p>As for the Orange stone, it's the perfect red herring for marvel if everyone's been looking for a soul gem, when in fact the reality gem is the only one missing. I'd invite people to take a look at the orange, gauntlet-oval shaped stone around scarlet witch's neck in age of ultron, then watch this scene again, and tell me that her powers aren't actually blood orange like the final stone (not, in fact, scarlet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlN4PxQ_dJo
Joss Whedon has already played with intentional misnomers before in the marvel universe. He named Quake (as in EARTHquake) "Sky" in Agents of Shield.
Given how scarlet witch DOES have the power to mess with the laws of physics (with no real imposed limit yet), and did put fake visions in the minds of several avengers (hulk, thor, etc) as her opening act, it presents a solid case for the reality stone as the source of her powers. Ask yourself just how much of your rejection of this theory is based on her name having the word "scarlet" in it? </p>
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<p>The Aether is, quite literally, credited with being able to turn the universe back to it's previous state of darkness.
</p><p>Also, her powers are lain out for all to see in every movie she's been in, and were explained as being neurological due to them stemming from, get this, the MIND STONE. Also, which laws of physics is she messing with exactly? Her powers, for the most part, seemingly involve exerting force and "neuro-electric interfacing". Neither of these are changing reality.
</p><p>Beyond that, why retcon what's already established as canon? The Aether converts matter into dark matter, which Malekith would use in tandem with the Convergence to convert the entire universe (or at least the Nine Realms) back into one full of dark matter.
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<p>There is still that theory of the Soul Stone being on Titan, and I would consider that plausible, due to there being a massive battle there.
</p><p>However, it is equally plausible that the Titan fight is a transition from the New York fight for the Time Stone.
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<p>Now that could be very plausible, as Thanos is seen on the planet fighting before making it to Wakanda.
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