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The Daily Bugle (Mrmichaelt, MrRLopez)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Sigh... I actually wasn't particularly complaining in this case. I still think that saying 16 was a mistake on Marvel's part and not an intentional calculation. However, given that there is a plausible in-universe explanation for why he might consider himself to be 16 that we can use, I am choosing to believe it as a canon thing that Peter considers himself 16 because he has had 16 birthdays (and that that might also be something that the United States has decided to adopt in general, considering that's the only way Flash can also be "16"), and so for consistency's sake, it's OK for this to also call him 16. It would be a little odd for it to say 17.

Also, if we consider it as justified for the birthdays reason in-universe, then that would suggest that The Daily Bugle seems to denote ages by birthdays rather than biological age, so it would have an implication on all the other ages on the site, suggesting it's more likely by birthday than biology. It's another of those instances where it's about intention of the writer vs. in-universe justification and leniency.

MrRLopez wrote: Coney Island reopened after 8 years?? (8 years, not again) Eh, they didn't make a mistake in just saying "years", they're playing it safe. It is kind of silly that it would take 8 years to reopen after that incident, but hey, maybe the world wasn't up for much fun in those 5+ years. Still, even over 2 years to fix it is a little excessive but hey. Sony are just looking for anything they can use as an article for this site that fans will recognise as either current news (like the Area 51 thing) or from a Spider-Man film, even though it might not entirely make sense. It's also the same as Avengers Tower still being under reconstruction in 2024. It took the new owners 8 years to reconstruct? I know maybe the person who bought it in Homecoming then sold it again c. 2023 and these are new new owners, but that's clearly not the intention.

Hey, maybe it took them a while to find all the parts of the building, due to those cloaking panels it must have that are always turned on during the TV shows. Or weirdly make it look the Met Life Building...

Also, this recent The Daily Bugle stuff confirms my theory that it was set pre-the end of Far from Home, obviously it's now caught up. Once Far from Home dates are sorted, I'll get to putting them on the 2024 page.

Avengers: Endgame to November 2023, Spider-Man: Far from Home to Entirely July 2024 (additional)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I was trying to re-read all the old posts and I think I'm just confusing myself. What was the original problem again and/or why does Endgame have to shift from October 2023 to a later date? Sure, I'll lay it out properly for everyone.

Spider-Man: Far from Home begins with the Ixtenco, Mexico incident.

In the second scene of the film, it is said to be the final day of school. This would suggest it should be roughly Wednesday, June 26, 2024.

There is then a seemingly undefined small gap. Then the fundraiser, then leaving for Venice.

Using the timings I worked out here:
 * Day 1 of the trip 16:00 New York - Getting on the plane.
 * Day 2 01:00 New York/07:00 Venice - Arrive in Venice.
 * Day 2 15:00 New York/21:00 Venice - "Fury" talks to Peter.
 * Day 2 16:00 New York/22:00 Venice - Peter meets Quentin Beck.
 * Day 3 04:00 New York/10:00 Venice - Leave Venice.
 * Day 3 13:00 New York/19:00 Austria - Austria scenes.
 * Day 3 22:00 New York/Fri, July 5, 2024 04:00 - Arrive in Prague. Carnival that evening.
 * Day 4 - Arrange for the opera.
 * Day 4 16:00 New York/22:00 Prague - Prague during carnival, 48 hours after Venice.
 * Day 4 23:00 New York/Sat, July 6, 2024 05:00 Prague - Leave Prague, just as the sun is coming up.
 * Day 5 06:00 New York/12:00 Berlin - Arrive in Berlin.
 * Day 6 00:00 New York/06:00 Netherlands - Netherlands.
 * Day 6 03:00 New York/09:00 Netherlands - Happy in the Netherlands.
 * Day 6 04:00 New York/10:00 London - London.
 * Day 7 - New Jersey.

On Day 2, "Fury" says Ixtenco was a week ago. So, judging purely off the film, making no assumptions about stretching "a week" and just seeing it as exactly 7 days, we have Day -5, then June 26th, then Day 1 at least the next day, and so on. So at the latest Day -5 = June 26th, so Day 1 = July 2nd. At the earliest Day 1 = June 27th. Bringing in just a tiny bit of the external sources, none of this range works, but the later in July the ever-so-slightly better.

'''So, judging almost purely off the film, the trip is best placed as July 2-8, 2024. This is why the events are currently placed like this.'''

There is no need to make any stretch of "a week" because it's not going to get you anywhere, you still won't achieve the placement the external sources would suggest.

Before we get to those, though, in Peter's To-Do List, Ned asks Peter what he'll be doing on his last day in New York, implying that they leave tomorrow. This would make Day 1 of the trip actually June 27, 2024. We are taking Peter's To-Do List as canon, since it was part of the film in the extended version.

So, judging purely off the film + Peter's To-Do List, the trip is best placed as June 27-July 3, 2024.

With the beginning of the film in June, Hulk's Snap being 8 months prior would make the events of Avengers: Endgame October 2023. This means the "5 years later" is actually "5 years, 4 months later" - not too bad - and the "5 years" references to Infinity War actually 5 years and 5 months. Fine, whatever.

However, there's the external sources, which have been building up.


 * The passport in the trailer is not in the film, but says it was issued on "Jul 19". We now know that him picking up his passport is the day before the trip leaves. So, with Peter picking up his passport on July 19, 2024 or later, the trip would be July 20-26, 2024 or later.
 * The passport also appeared on the official social media accounts.
 * Mrmichaelt has informed us the passport appears on the Blu-ray menu.
 * The poster has a Berlin stamp on "24 JUL 19" (obviously the 19 is very wrong) and the same for London (Peter doesn't actually go through passport control for London as he flies there with Happy, nor does he go on the same day as Berlin - we can take it that this is a stamp for one of the other students, and they arrived in London the day before the climax of the film, so the same day as Berlin). This would make Day 5 July 24, 2024, so the trip July 20-26, 2024.
 * The "24 JUL" also showed up at the premiere.

So, judging almost purely off the external sources, the trip is best placed as July 20-26, 2024.

This would, however, make the last day of school Friday, July 19, 2024. This is over 3 weeks later than any high schools in New York, it seems, generally finish for summer, without any reason provided in the film. So, treating the film as the source with top priority, the trip is best placed as June 27-July 3, 2024, but treating the external sources as still valid, just less so, means you would meet those sources but brings in a soft contradiction for the higher evidence.

So it's a question of what's better: entirely fitting with the higher source at the expense of entirely contradicting the lower source, or allowing a soft contradiction with the higher source to entirely fit the lower source?

Like say the higher source has double the total value of the lower, so makes up 67% of the total value while the lower makes up 33% (for the sake of argument). Do you want 100% on the roughly 67%-weighted source and 0% on the roughly 33%-weighted, giving you a total of roughly 67% fitting, or do you want 50% on the roughly 67%-weighted source and 100% on the roughly 33%-weighted, also giving you a total of roughly 67%? In this regard, the two options are about even in how much they work.

Well, there might be considered to be a little wiggle room in the problem of the last day of school. By this version (as I'm about to explain) they would have restarted the school year in November, so perhaps the schools decided to run over by 3 weeks in summer to make up for some of that lost time - and/or MCU schools just have different term times (which I find less plausible). Hulk's Snap is obviously a big disruption to the way the world works that something like holiday dates seems like maybe not such a huge thing to have been affected by 3 weeks in the grand scheme of things. Still, it involves making assumptions on our part.

And if the trip moves to July 20-26, 2024, then Avengers: Endgame also has to move. Hulk's Snap, 8 months prior to the last day of high school, would be November 2023, making the events of the film November 2023. This makes "5 years later" actually "5 years, 5 months later", which is a little awkward and not ideal, though obviously not a disaster. It makes the dialogue about Infinity War being "5 years" ago actually "5-and-a-half years" ago, which again is far from a disaster, but still feels a little too awkward.

The trip has to move date regardless after Peter's To-Do List. But our options are:
 * June 26-July 3, 2024:
 * Best fits the film and Peter's To-Do List, fits them entirely.
 * Contradicts the marketing sources.
 * Avengers: Endgame is October 2023, slightly better than November 2023.
 * Or July 20-26, 2024:
 * Causes a soft contradiction with the film. Not a hard contradiction, because there are assumptions that can perhaps plausibly be made, but they're still assumptions.
 * Fits the marketing sources entirely.
 * Avengers: Endgame is November 2023, slightly worse than October 2023.

And I want to hear people's thoughts. I think I'm maybe leaning towards July 20-26.