Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26838855-20190803131136/@comment-26838855-20191227045448

Jessica Jones: Season 3 Reconsideration (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I do oppose to moving Jessica Jones S3 to November 2018. I don't know, I think just a line ruins it for us, but the rest of it pushes us to early 2018, and it was clearly not the intention to make it post Snap. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has it coming because they addressed Thanos in Season 5, and Runaways S3 just has to move along due to the 6 months time jump in the middle, maybe they think the 6 months time jump is still before "Infinity War", and the 3-years time jump just kind of settles the world has moved on from the Snap (though they don't address it), but Jessica Jones S3 was not clearly intended to be post Snap and like 80% of the evidence points to May 2018. I don't know if I managed to express my thoughts correctly, however. Again, I have no strong feelings about where it should go. I don't like any placement. I would say that I don't feel this has much bearing on the placement of Jessica Jones: Season 3, i.e. that it's not really worth reconsidering, regardless of what the previous vote had been, since the problem of the Snap is "Why have all these characters survived?" and "Why is no one talking about it?", and the goal is always to minimise the problems with either question. Runaways having a bunch of characters survive has no bearing on the ridiculous odds of Jessica Jones having a bunch of characters survive, since the odds are set as 50:50 per character regardless. I do see the argument that it makes a little difference in terms of "It provides more evidence that the world moved on better and quicker than you might expect", but I wouldn't say there's much effect in that regard, more of just a one-off (well, two-off) mistake in Runaways that you don't want to also apply to another thing.

Still, worth another discussion about it in the near future, just in case people have changed their minds.

Runaways: Season 3 (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SEASON 3 OF RUNAWAYS - SORRY BEJT

[Spoilers removed from this quote.]

I think there is enough wiggle room, but that is just me. Also, you can't just disappear half of your cast due to a plot that will not affect at all your storyline and they will not be part of that storyline (SNAP). It is kind of tricky. Yeah the Snap is a creative nightmare for Marvel Television, so I get the desire to ignore it. It's just really, really annoying.

Runaways Time Travel (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed, and that's a better version of what I was trying to say a few posts above. I've started the season now, finally. As always, I'll post notes as I rewatch (watching 1-3, 1-3 rewatch, 4-7, 4-7 rewatch, 8-10, 8-10 rewatch) other than stray observations on the first watch, but like with Season 2, won't go detailed like Netflix, just the basics.

Marvelus wrote: The Comic Board guys nailed it in reminding this:

"Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. Unstable dimensional openings. Spatial paradoxes! Time loops! You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever or never having existed at all?"

- Karl Mordo

Temporal manipulations can create branches in time. (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 5 & Avengers: Endgame)

Unstable dimensional openings. (Maybe Loki)

Spatial paradoxes! (Maybe Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 7)

Time loops! (Doctor Strange)

You wanna get stuck reliving the same moment over and over forever or never having existed at all? (Runaways Season 3) Hey, I brought up that quote first in my time travel blog!😉😂

Mrmichaelt wrote: Good find.

Maybe "unstable dimensional openings" is stuff like the Devil's Anus in Thor: Ragnarok or the accident from Staticorp in AOS S1 "Repairs"

Spatial paradoxes could be what Future Chase was warning the team about, don't interact with your past self or let them see you. Oh boy. I guessed that Runaways would likely end up doing standard silly time travel stuff/its own thing, sounds like it's ended up that way.

Oh well. I kind of assumed after Endgame that there are differences depending on time travel type anyway - even if I do still feel that the Quantum Realm travel and White Monolith travel are mostly the same in their essence.

Still, standard time travel stuff can be lazy story-wise, and the whole "Don't interact with yourself thing" I've always found very silly/inexplicable anyway. There's no logical reason why specifically meeting yourself would cause some specific problem other than it just being just more likely that you will make a bigger "change".

Marvelus wrote: Maybe, however I am glad the MCU movies presented an argument against the entire "Marvel shows are no canon due to the time travel being different in Runaways". Muahahaha MERRY CHRISTMAS You'll like the comment from Allegra Acosta says at 1:33, just again talking about being in the same universe as the Avengers.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Time loops could also apply to AoS. We never saw the loop play out as it originally did (we saw the final loop that branched the bad future away from the MCU), but there was still a loop.

I don't think we've seen any examples of of unstable dimensional openings yet, and spatial paradoxes could definitely be applied to Nebula's memory drive in Endgame, since both were versions of her were on the same network.

But yeah, I'm glad that we've had justification for different methods of time travel since way back in 2016. Also a mention in Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War: The Cosmic Quest Volume Two: Aftermath that rewriting events is possible.