Thread:Uskok/@comment-1616746-20180125084049/@comment-112155-20180222001742

Draft227 wrote: @Shabook yourself acts very defensively and passive/agressive about any kind of question or proposal. Probably it's a character flaw, and I always apologize whenever I'm misunderstood or something like that. Don't forget that translation always counts as English is not my first language, and what may sound casual for my culture could be interpreted as rude by other people.

I also have to admit that I spent a lot of my free time, sacrificing other things in my life, to write down a very thorough series of policies and guidelines with the only purpose of helping both the wiki and the people who edit it. Wouldn't you all be pissed seeing other people completely disregard something you put a lot of effort in all good faith? Honestly, wouldn't you all?

RenR25 wrote: Maybe a link at the welcoming message template would make the Layout Guide easier to find. There is a link to the category that contains all the policies and guidelines in the automatic welcome message. Linking all of them would be impractical.

Marvelous 345678 That is truth. The Discussion Thread adds more problemd than the Comments Section. Comments sections were not exent of problems either, there was a lot of spam too, especially from the time when people without accounts could edit around. Perhaps you haven't noticed it, but when I have the time, I delete a lot of these comments. And while I didn't plan to reveal it because it will still take some time, given that I'm considered a dictator or a censor I'll say it here and now, I was planning to delete all of them and ask for a restoration of the comments section, to have a fresh start for the matter. As for the Discussions feature, nothing can be done about it, it was something that FANDOM, the company that actually owns this and all wikis, decided to implement...

RenR25 wrote: Which is a completely different message from "We have always done things this way..." I've always considered that a cheap way to complain about the admins when they/us do not allow to do whatever some people wants, not all proposals have to be approved just because they are proposed. Allow me to explain below.

Draft227 wrote: Also there has been a lot of proposal and sometimes I feel like we cannot express our ideas and sometimes we have to follow what Shabook said. You can always express your ideas, there are open forums, personal message walls, and the discussions feature. There is also a chat, though I've never seen it widely used. Those places are free and open to everyone to talk, chat, discuss what they think and they want. Talk pages and the Playground can also be used for this, as long as they stay on the topics they are supposed to be. So saying that is, honestly, not true.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that every and all ideas have to applied just become someone comes across them... And I like to consider all proposals have to be based in three questions: canonicity, consistency and practicality. And what does that mean?


 * 1) Canonicity: This wiki aims to collect information about a series of Marvel products, and if Marvel says something, we have to acknowledge as true, either we like it or not. So if Marvel says that the sky is pink, we will have to write in the Earth article that the sky is pink, even if we consider (and obviously see) that it is blue.
 * 2) Consistency: If a wiki-wide change is proposed, there is need to consider all articles affected as equal. And for this, I tend to think in what I affectively call the good ol' Roger rule. It means that if a change for an article proposal has to affect Iron Man, Phil Coulson, Daredevil or Black Panther, good ol' Roger will be affected too. For the status of the character, it is perfectly factible that Roger died a few days after his only appearance in an episode, so people can speculate that his status is unknown. Obviously, that is speculation, which is one of the few untouchable pillars of this wiki, so the solution is to add the known status as of his latest chronological mention or appearance. If you have a way better than that, that can be widely applied and does not have to speculate, feel free to make an actual proposal at the Playground or the policy talk page. Another example is the recurringly proposed LGBT characters category. That would mean, to consider everyone as equal, as they deserve, to create category for homosexual, bisexual, transexual and heterosexual characters, at least. So there are a few documented cases of homosexual characters, sure, but how would you treat the rest of characters? Heterosexual unless otherwise proven? How can you know if good ol' Roger is heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual? That's the main reason a categorization based on sexual preference cannot work. You are free to collect it in your personal userspace if you are interested. I like to collect characters per families, or crossovers of actors in different movies and TV Series, but I have to restrict it to my personal blogs and articles
 * 3) Practicality: Some times, there are changes that would mean a lot of work for no actual gain. Imagine that someone proposes to change the currently red text in all categories to another color. Not for improving the way it is read, but just for the sake of changing it. Such a change would be dismissed because there is no practical use, though the proponent would surely see it. Of course, that doesn't mean at all that if a change means a lot of work cannot be undertaken. Latest that come to my mind are the citizenship and affiliation templates. It was a lot of work as it meant to review each and every character article, but it was a change in the way something was done up until then, it was good for the wiki, so it went ahead.

Keep in mind that I don't own this wiki, but I acquired the responsibility of running it. And sometimes it means that not everyone can be pleased, I assume that. I assume that it this is not a popularity contest, but I recurringly see a lack of empathy in the way I'm treated when I say something that is not what people wanted to hear. I sometimes feel that complaining about the admins, and me in particular, is an open season, but if I would dare to say something remotely similar about somebody...

Hopefully with all this you all understand better my point of view about this matter, both in general and in particular.