Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190411185143

Avengers: Endgame (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: So there's a report about the exact amount of time between IW and EG. Comic Book article Nice, thank you! Slightly longer than I expected, thought it might only be 1-2 weeks.

FitzSimmons (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Yeah, I'm just offering my two cents. If it works out, it does. If it doesn't, I tried. If we get more info at some point in the next two seasons to clear things up (and not complicate), all the better. It's really helpful, thanks. Yeah that's kind of why I'm not in a rush to decide, I'm hoping we might get something more.

Avengers: Age of Ultron/Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 2 (Rman823, Marvelus)
Rman823 wrote: A Thursday date can be seen twice in the scene. First on Natasha's computer screen with the time of day as 3:28 PM at 41:01 and one that's more clear on Bruce's screen with a time of 5:39 PM at 41:36. Given there's a cut to the team going through SHIELD files a 2 hour time jump could have been possible.

As for the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. dates:

I have Hunter getting taken on the 10th and awoken by Mack to go to the Lliad on the 13th with them arriving the 14th.

Hunter's exact line to Coulson is that he "was only gone a week" which to me could be interpreted as him getting abducted a week earlier on the 10th. (I have this scene on Friday the 17th and he would have been abducted Friday the 10th).

I agree that Fitz getting picked up by Coulson and Hunter should be the next day. However, the timeline currently has Fitz contacting him and Fitz getting onto the Quinjet as being on the same day.

I'm currently seeing The Dirty Half Dozen over 4 days:

April 23rd- Zabo goes off on Jiaying, Coulson, and Gonzalez have their discussion.

April 24th- Coulson and Gonzalez decide to team up and save Mike and Lincoln (not sure why this was on its own day).

April 25th- Attack on the HYDRA facility.

April 26th- Coulson calls Hill and tells her to send in the Avengers to retrieve the Scepter.

Don't worry about not being able to act immediately. Just thought I could help some. But yeah, these are my current dates for everything. Hopefully, they can help you when you are able to go back and review. Any flashbacks or time jumps remain the same.

Episode 12- April 8th-10th.

Episode 13- April 11th-13th.

Episode 14- April 14th.

Episode 15- April 14th-15th.

Episode 16- April 15th, April 17th-18th.

Episode 17- April 19th

Episode 18- April 20th-21st

Episode 19- April 21st-22nd

Avengers: Age of Ultron- April 22nd-25th, April 30th-May 3rd.

Episode 20- May 4th-5th (Just rewatched this episode and Daisy mentions how Gonzalez sent men to kill her a few weeks ago. This happened on the 14th and it is now exactly 3 weeks after that happened. Funny how that worked out).

Episode 21- May 5th.

Episode 22- May 5th-6th. (I haven't watched the episode yet, but if it's possible, I would just leave the Simmons and Monolith scene as is since it would then require some changes with 4,772 Hours and the beginning of Season 3). Thank you for the time code, I'll look out for that.

Yeah, I would say that him being "gone a week" ends when he returned to Coulson rather than just right now, otherwise it's more likely that Hunter would say "I've only been gone a week". The "was" suggests the him being gone is over.

Thank you for understanding that we can't prioritise and I really appreciate your suggestions. Will definitely bear them in mind for the future.

Marvelus wrote: The Monolith scene should not be moved as Season 3 is completely fine and set in stone.

I vote to make some revisions to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S2 once all the other dates and events from recent seasons are finished. We need to prioritize Well if S.O.S. moves, it should move, and unfortunately that means moving the beginning of Season 3 forwards a few days. We decided that the scene most likely takes place one week after S.O.S., that wouldn't change just because it's more work. But anyway, we'll get to it further down the line.

Rman823 wrote: I agree it's not a priority. Just thought I'd share what I found. And yes, the monolith scene should be fine where it is. Marvelus wrote: Every piece of knowledge you share has value. Thank you for doing it! I echo exactly what Marvelus says here, I really appreciate it.

Russos' Chronological Order (DaenerysTheMadKhal58, Assassin1and2)
DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: Yeah, just like BEJT said happens, the Russos posted The Incredible Hulk after Iron Man 2. Not entirely wrong, since Thor and TIH happen mostly at the same time, but I would've appreciated if they had put Thor first. I knew they would, I've literally never, I believe, seen The Incredible Hulk placed after Thor. I think there is definitely a mentality when people make these watch orders to start with the release order and just shuffle, rather than building from the ground up, and there's definitely a sort of reluctance to deviate too much from the release order. Also, since many people put The First Avenger first, for them The Incredible Hulk would therefore lead right into The Avengers if it were after Thor, and that I'm sure doesn't feel right to people with the slightly disconnected feel of that film.

Oh well, it's literally about 12 hours' difference in the timeline and it's easy to just say, "Well, they place films in a slightly different manner to how I/we do, which happens to make The Incredible Hulk before Thor instead."

Assassin1and2 wrote: Yeah it's not a big deal. Thor makes more sense because it leads into Avengers. Doctor Strange will be the big one you have Ant-Man, Civil War, Homecoming and Black Panther all of which are connected will they place it before Civil War or after Homecoming and Black Panther. What about Ant-Man and the Wasp? Before or after Infinity War? Yeah, it's plain-sailing now until they get to Civil War on the 18th, it's all fairly unanimous. But after that could be problematic. Will they get Black Panther and Homecoming the right way around? Where will they put Doctor Strange? Will they have Ant-Man and the Wasp correctly after Thor: Ragnarok or get mixed up with the credits scene of Ragnarok? But if they get Black Panther and Homecoming wrong, well, we know for sure the correct order, and can perhaps say it's because Homecoming picks up briefly immediately after Civil War. If Doctor Strange is wrong, well, it can be just because that film takes place over more than a year so there's bits that likely do take place in the given position. Ragnarok and Ant-Man and the Wasp the right way around does matter more to me.

Captain Marvel (additional)
I saw Captain Marvel again and picked up on/remembered a few more things this time (obviously I still have forgotten a few things).

It's not a political poster alongside the "Rock the Vote" ones. I got confused the first time because I thought it said "Bush 1996" but it doesn't.

There's a poster up for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness by The Smashing Pumpkins, released October 1995 - but it's just a poster so it doesn't necessarily have to be out yet. Still, I do think at this point that the film should be June 29th-July 1st, as late as possible, with these few things that it's too early for.

Keller is definitely not director, they call him "the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent" at the end.

I remembered slightly too late into the credits that I should have been checking that those credited ages were real, but I did catch that McKenna Grace is indeed credited as 13-year-old Carol and Akira Akbar as 11-year-old Monica, so I'm inclined to trust that London Fuller is indeed credited as 6-year-old Carol and Azari Akbar as 5-year-old Monica. So I will assume that the scene of young Monica is just not long before Carol leaves, and that since McKenna Grace was 11-going-on-12 during filming, Carol is only about just-turned-13 in those scenes, so c. early 1979, with the London Fuller scenes in 1972.

I can't remember the exact date but Fury's ID is valid from 1988 or 1989, something like March 24th, so that's fine. And we have the image I sent before showing that he was indeed born July 4th.

I tried to check the June 1995 calendar started on the right day. I didn't have time to work out if it was a Sunday-Saturday or Monday-Sunday calendar, but it looked like about Thursday for the 1st, which would be correct.

I caught/remembered some more pop culture references and I checked whether some songs were in or out of universe, so I've updated my full list below.

References That Work Out Fine

 * Blockbuster Video.
 * Changed name in December 1996.
 * True Lies, including Jamie Lee Curtis and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
 * Released July 1994 and in Blockbusters by early 1995.
 * Hook.
 * Released December 1991.
 * The Right Stuff.
 * Released February 1984.
 * The Hudsucker Proxy.
 * Heard this is shown. Released March 1994 and in Blockbusters by late 1994.
 * Jumpin' Jack Flash.
 * Heard this is shown. Released October 1986.
 * Whatta Man by Salt-n-Pepa played in-universe.
 * Released December 1993.
 * Rock the Vote.
 * Occurred in 1992. Also "11:00 THURSDAY AUGUST 29" poster from presumably 1991.
 * Mallrats being filmed.
 * Released October 1995, filming (perhaps reshoots or just a bit later in the MCU than real world) in June works fine.
 * Connection by Elastica played in-universe.
 * Released October 1994.
 * Nine Inch Nails.
 * Formed 1988.
 * Brad Pitt.
 * Mentioned as a sex symbol, which he became around Thelma & Louise in May 1991.
 * Kiss Me Deadly by Lita Ford.
 * Released 1988, scene is up to 1989 so works fine.
 * Waterfalls by TLC played in-universe.
 * Released May 1995.
 * Amelia Earheart.
 * July 24, 1897.
 * Janis Joplin.
 * January 19, 1943.
 * The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
 * Began September 10, 1990.
 * Space Invaders.
 * Released July 1978.
 * Happy Days, including the Fonz.
 * Began January 1974.
 * Hannibal Lecter, in the context of having a mouth covered.
 * Red Dragon released 1981. If it's specifically intended as a reference to the films, which it probably is, then that's a bit weird since Anthony Hopkins is in the MCU.
 * Nerf.
 * Started 1969.
 * Man on the Moon by R.E.M..
 * Released November 1992.
 * Please Mr. Postman by The Marvelettes.
 * Released August 1961.

Anachronisms

 * Los Angeles Metro Green Line.
 * Opened August 1995.
 * Only Happy When It Rains by Garbage played in-universe.
 * I believe it's played on the radio in Poncho's, which is a problem since it was released on an album in August 1995 and as a single in September 1995.
 * Street Fighter II: Champion Edition.
 * Released March 1992, scene from no later than 1989.
 * Windows 95.
 * Released August 1995.

Kind of Anachronistic But Not Fully

 * Come As You Are by Nirvana.
 * Released March 1992 as a single, September 1991 on Nevermind. Carol must know it because it's in the Supreme Intelligence scene, but she can't have heard it before she left in 1989. Could have heard it since she got back, just off-screen. But apparently Nevermind apparently wasn't released on vinyl until 1996... but perhaps the vinyl is just a depiction of how the song can be playing in the Supreme Intelligence realm-thing.
 * Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness by The Smashing Pumpkins.
 * Released on October 1995, but only a poster.

Can't Remember If In-Universe or Not But Safe

 * You Gotta Be by Des'Ree.
 * Released March 1994.

Not In-Universe

 * Crazy on You by Heart, just soundtrack.
 * Just a Girl by No Doubt, just soundtrack.
 * Celebrity Skin by Hole, just soundtrack.

Not a Problem

 * Fury's character.
 * Some people have claimed this doesn't fit into continuity. I've discussed why I think it fits fine.
 * Fury naming the Avengers after Carol.
 * I've seen some people claim this is a retcon. I'm not sure they understand retcons, it's just a reveal. And it actually felt very natural, we kind of knew going it that the events of the film would inspire Fury to start the Avenger Initiative since this is seemingly what Fury and Coulson are referring to in Iron Man when they talk about a wider universe, other superheroes, and it not being their first rodeo. So him naming it after her made perfect sense and I thought was a beautiful moment, like she's sort of like the mother of the Avengers.
 * Something to do with Kree?
 * I've seen people claim there's "Kree retcons". I... have no idea what that would be.

Not Really a Problem

 * How Fury lost his eye.
 * Not the original intent of the line, a bit of creative license, but not a contradiction.
 * Coulson and the Kree.
 * Mostly OK, and way way better than I feared. Can work fairly easily.
 * "Where was Carol during events in the last 23 years?"
 * Not a continuity error. Sure, might warrant a little more explanation (which is also rumoured to be coming in Avengers: Endgame), but there could be plenty of reasons why she didn't get involved in certain events, which I've gone into more depth with on a discussion page.
 * Fury and Coulson's relationship.
 * Clark Gregg said they meet for the first time in the film, which was problematic since Coulson says in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that he was recruited by Fury straight out of high school, so in 1982, and Fury trained him. But it's never made explicit in the film that they only just met and there's wiggle room for that to work fine, which was a big relief.
 * Fury calls S.H.I.E.L.D. "S.H.I.E.L.D." rather than its full name as they are doing in Iron Man.
 * Other one-shots and flashbacks and things have already had this problem, it's not exclusive to Captain Marvel. I mean, there's no way it took them 60 years to realise it shortened to S.H.I.E.L.D. - as Ward jokes, frankly, it's not even coincidence, it was clearly crafted to intentionally spell out S.H.I.E.L.D. even in-universe - so Coulson is likely just joking in Iron Man. But even if not, I believe a comic, I think non-canon but still helpful, hinted once about an explanation to this, that they all want to call it S.H.I.E.L.D. but Fury refuses. So you could take it that when Fury becomes director he goes traditional and wants people to use the full name, but no one really takes to it. And in 1995, he just didn't have a problem with it.
 * "Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned," suggesting Fury only discovered aliens in 2010.
 * Can just assume that Fury is talking about the world at large when he says "we", not S.H.I.E.L.D., since they didn't know about aliens until 2010. Also they didn't have the technology to start Phase Two until the Destroyer came to Earth, and he's not going to stop and reveal his experience in 1995 that no other agents had and is secret and not the point.
 * Fury knew Howard Stark well despite only being an agent when he died in 1991.
 * Not a problem, he can still have known him well.

Bit of a Problem

 * Fury's appearance and eye compared with the The Winter Soldier photo.
 * Not impossible.

Write-Ups (additional)
I finished Infinity War and the related events! I'm working hard and hope to be up to August 2018 releases with the end of Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 in the next week or two.

More Links Just to Store (additional)
Just a link further saying that O'Reilly has just arrived in New Orleans in Season 1. Also, with the Mayhem reveal at the end of Episode 2, we can safely say now that the Luke Cage: Season 2 reference works fine and it was a good thing not to jump to any conclusions.

Building Statuses (additional)
Two things came up of note to do with buildings. One, the London Far from Home poster featured Elizabeth Tower/Big Ben without the scaffolding that has been around it for a long time now in the real world. Now, I don't think this really means anything, of course Marvel would want Big Ben to look recognisable and aesthetically pleasing in the poster and in the film, assuming it shows up - I'm sure they just give it a quick CG overlay and it's sorted. I wondered though if it might also back up 2018 over 2019 though, since the scaffolding will still be there in Summer 2019. However, the scaffold was put up in June 2018, slightly too early, so it doesn't fit either summer really. But if anything it does ever-so-slightly promote 2018 over 2019, since it's easier to assume that it started a month late in the MCU than 13 months late. But hey, it could've just never had to happen in the MCU and yeah, again, barely means anything. Just thought I'd mention it.

And the other is to do with the New York skyline in the tickets on sale special look at Endgame. Potential spoilers, but there's a theory to do with the skyline and what it means for a timeline-related thing. You'll be fine not reading it though until the film's release, don't worry. Also, it relies on Marvel knowing what they're doing with careful background details for the timeline which seems like a bit too much of an assumption honestly to me, but you never know.