Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-2112031-20180729170027

BEJT wrote:

>What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras - if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season 4-7 days later and the finals 4-7 days earlier, we instead use the normal real world dates for the end of the basketball season, unchanged (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so after that (to match the dialogue) so that is the only event which does the shifting - about 8-14 days earlier. Then the state finals would be around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later.

But we'll see what happens with the festival. It's likely that they'll name whatever celebration it is (it was weird that they didn't in Iron Fist). Having seen Episode 9, it appears that the festival is indeed Mardi Gras. A banner for the "Mardi Gras Ball" is seen when Tyrone is attacking a student.

It seems that we may have to apply your plan to move the state finals earlier.

I've found an online parade calendar for the 2017 Mardi Gras parade season. I hope this helps in some way.

In any case, Mardi Gras hasn't seemingly started yet in Episode 9, although people are evidently seen preparing for it with decorations, beads, etc. Assuming that the parade seen in the trailer is indeed Mardi Gras, it would place Episode 10 on February 28. Since Episode 10 will likely follow on immediately from Episode 9, and Episode 9, in turn, takes place evidently the following day after Episode 8, it would place those episodes in the 2 days leading up to Mardi Gras.

This works reasonably well, Episode 8 would be on February 26, a Sunday, which explains why Tyrone didn't go to school that day. Episode 9 would be on February 27, a Monday, in which we see Tyrone attending school.

This would also mean that the oil rig explosion was in February 26, 2009. This works reasonably well, but is unfortunately inconsistent with the April 18 date. Oh well, it works fine in general.

BEJT wrote:

I guess it's not that much of an indication though, because it technically just means it could be any day of the year. It's a bit weird that the ID doesn't have a year on it though, because an expiration date that doesn't have a year is kind of pointless. Oh well. I'm guessing the lack of a year is an attempt to avoid having to conform to a specific year, which makes the fact that we can see the date on the phone all the more confusing.

BEJT wrote:

I don't think there's a certain number required, just the goal at any given time. They originally had lower goals, but every time they hit a goal, the goal increases. So for example, now they're at about 316,000 signatures and the goal is now 500,000.

I don't know that Disney will rehire him because they might think it will look like they're weak and indecisive, to reverse a decision after the public complain. And the firing was about them just caring how they're publicly perceived in the first place - I think that's the main thing they care about rather than Gunn's career, sadly.

But I hope he's involved in some capacity, even if it's just them using what he's already done - the script - and he just has no further involvement from this point. But a few people with more knowledge than me about this stuff seem to think there might be a chance... we'll see, who knows what's going on behind-the-scenes. Yeah, I'm really hoping that, at the very least, Gunn's vision for Vol. 3 will come to fruition.

BEJT wrote:

Yeah I did really enjoy the direct discussion about Captain America in Jessica Jones: Season 2, even mentioning him fighting aliens - it felt like the Netflix shows kind of coming out of their shell a bit and becoming brave enough to reference the films more overtly. As well as that, there was the references to the Raft, which I also enjoyed, because sometimes it's almost like these Netflix shows exist in their own timeline (not literally, just in terms of how it feels) that just branched off from The Avengers and never properly reconverged with the films. So stringing us back in with references to Civil War was nice. I was kinda hoping that Wakanda would get referenced in Luke Cage: Season 2, since its existence would undoubtebly have been quite noteworthy. It seemed like something that would have come up in conversation.

BEJT wrote:

We'll see about the festival and if it's Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest or something else, but it's good to know about the possibility of Jazz Fest if they're vague about it. Well, like I said, it was visible on a banner and maybe some posters. No one called it by name, so there's some wiggle room if necessary.

BEJT wrote:

I should mention that a phone or laptop date being the date of filming doesn't make it completely irrelevant. It is still a date on a personal device within the universe, suggesting it is the in-universe date. They shouldn't just be discarded. The thing is, when I'm weighing up evidence such as dates on phones and things, there are two things to consider: Now, the thing is, the 2007 date and the October date are both very strong pieces of evidence in terms of out-of-universe intention, because they are so clearly shown, suggesting the viewer is meant to see them. But not only are they mutually incompatible, they both play a part in the much wider web of nonsense that is the Cloak & Dagger timeline.
 * In-universe possibility of error. In the MCU world, how likely is it that the date is incorrect? For example, there's a reasonable likelihood of someone's laptop being programmed with the wrong date - more likely than a newspaper printing the wrong date.
 * Out-of-universe possibility of error - makers' intention. This is more important when it comes to a fictional, contradictory timeline. The creators' choice to make a date very visible suggests it is intentional to be seen and thus used to establish the timeline. If the date is on a background and/or tiny prop, it is much more likely to have been a throwaway detail with not much thought put into it and therefore less reliable for establishing the timeline. This is why visibility does play a part in reliability - because it is directly correlated to intention.

They both have some in-universe possibility of error, considering the devices both perhaps could have the wrong settings, but the October date being the date of filming weakens the out-of-universe reliability. Because if the date wasn't the date of filming, then the makers' intention is clearly for that to be the date of the setting - it has been specifically reprogrammed to show that date. But when a date of filming shows up, the likelihood is that they just haven't bothered to think about the date, and so it weakens the piece of evidence, as the intention is lesser. That's why sometimes we bring into consideration when a date is more than likely just a filming date. Yeah, good point. Every piece of timeline evidence should be noted and considered. That being said, the date on the phone doesn't match up with the state finals, Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, and we know that they were still filming in October. I didn't mean to suggest that we should outright dismiss a date if it doesn't conform to whatever we had in mind previously, I was merely saying that the date outright contradicted most of the other timeline related evidence and was strongly in contradiction with them. So, all in all, the odds of it just being the date of filming is, indeed, the most likely conclusion.

BEJT wrote:

No, the season doesn't span a whole 13 months, it just can't. Let's just see how things play out.

I really doubt the post-credits scene will address the snap. The shows do extra scenes at the end quite often (granted, most of the time it's not literally a post-credits scene, as in "after the credits", but to all intents and purposes they're like post-credits scenes), and they're just a little bit of intriguing/cliffhanger stuff to set up the next season.

I didn't think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would do the snap because of several things, such as: And other things I listed a couple of months ago. And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ties in with the films much more than the other shows, so with them not doing it, I'm very sure Cloak & Dagger won't. I don't think we're going to see the snap effects in any TV shows, except perhaps Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6.
 * Infinity War ' s extreme secrecy in production and the likelihood they didn't give all the information, especially the ending, to the TV groups. The fact that it would have meant the TV cast and crew knew more about the ending of Infinity War than the cast and crew of the film itself, and months ahead of release, meaning it could leak out very easily.
 * The fact that they would have to have the exact fading effect and they can't just borrow it from Marvel Studios.
 * The difficulty it would cause when Avengers 4 comes around.
 * The fact that in doing the snap, it sets up the shows to have a part in trying to resolve it - but they can't, that's for the film characters. So there's no direction to take that other than temporarily having half your cast missing. You can't have your heroes resolve it, you'd waste time with them panicking and then things would be sorted.

The post-credits scene will most likely be something like O'Reilly becoming Mayhem. Agreed. At best, I expect the snap to get mentioned in shows after Avengers 4 has come out and resolved it. It would also depend on how things get resolved. If it's time travel, then the snap never happened and there's no reason to bring it up. If it's resolved without time travel, then it would make sense for people to bring it up after it's been undone.

MrRLopez wrote:

So it's definately Mardi Gras in Cloak & Dagger, the poster in high school and the beaded necklaces confirms it.

It has to be 2017 right? Otherwise a Runaways crossover may be hard to deal with timeline-wise (I'm assuming it is happening) Yeah, it appears to be Mardi Gras.

As for a Runaways crossover, it hasn't really been confirmed in any way. The showrunner of Cloak and Dagger has stated that he'd like for it to happen, but admitted that the shows being on different networks makes it difficult.

Mrmichaelt wrote:

Eh, but beaded necklaces aren't exclusive to Mardi Gras. They hand them out on St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.

If there's a crossover, it could just be a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy as well. There ,ight be some wiggle room for it not being Mardi Gras, but the evidence currently points to it indeed being Mardi Gras.

And yeah, they could just do a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy, although having the current season be set in 2017 would at least avoid aging the characters too much for when their own Season 2 comes along, which may take place a year or so after Season 1.

CirUmeUela wrote:

Very exciting that X-Men are now able to be in the MCU! But I thought of something that would be an absolute nightmare for us: what if they made the Fox X-Men simply cross over through a multiverse idea? Then we would have to acknowledge every single X-Men movie and add it to the timeline, lol. And how would that work with an alternate universe? It would be terrible. But starting with a clean slate will be much better, which I'm sure is what will happen. I'm pretty sure that they'll just start with a completely clean slate. The MCU's main appeal is that it's one, massive shared universe, and relegating the X-Men to being interdimensional visitors would probably not have the same effect as having them actually exist in the MCU.

The only existing X-Men properties that I could foresee being integrated into the MCU is Legion and New Mutants. The characters from the Deadpool movies could similarly be integrated into the MCU, but the actual plots of those movies wouldn't work, since they obviously occur in a world where mutants are a known and established fact of life and the X-Men are an active and well-known team. Other than that, the rest would pretty much start from scratch.

Cornstomper wrote:

So in a released deleted scene for Infinity War, we get a little more specific time placement.

https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/1022957674848301057

We know that Quill recieved a message from Nebula "5 hours ago" that Thanos still had Gamora and was heading for Vormir. Drax also notes they have not left Knowhere yet, meaning they spent 5 whole hours there before leaving for Titan, and meeting up with Iron Man and such. Well, it's always good to have an in-universe time estimate. It'll help with the calculations.