Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20180808223223

Cloak & Dagger (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: I'm not sure about that. I was thinking that too. But when Ivan arrives at the oil rig, it's still daytime. It doesn't seem like that much time passes when the meltdown starts with all the lights flashing. Also, wasn't Nathan talking to Ivan on the phone when it exploded? As shown in Lotus Eaters when Tandy talks to her dad repeatedly on the phone? Also isn't it implied that Nathan is speaking to Ivan on the phone when he crashes? I'm not sure exactly how that all should be ordered. OK so the incident is something like February 25, 2009, give or take a couple of days (haven't yet worked it out exactly). Sunset in New Orleans was 17:56. We know the collapse is not long after sunset, because Tandy calls her dad while it's still light, and he picks her up not too long after and it's now dark. And then shortly after that is the collapse. So that works reasonably with the fact that it's still daytime when Ivan arrives on the rig, because it was still daytime not too long before the collapse. Also I just rewatched the scenes, and when Ivan arrives on the rig, he says, "Evening, Tommy. What's the latest?" So yeah, it's evening, just not quite sunset. And I reckon when he asks for Nathan, Nathan's just left to get Tandy.

I've worked it out I think. Firstly, I'll lay out how the Ivan daytime scenes would work out if the last outdoor scene were a minimum realistic time before sunset - 15 minutes. Then we have the nighttime scenes, which realistically should begin at least 15 minutes after sunset. Again, minimising the time gap a bit, let's go with 15 minutes after, so 18:11. Now, in between Ivan sitting down to have the cookies and him calling Nathan, there's the moment where he asks why it's taking so long for him to talk to Nathan, and the sirens suddenly begin. You would think it should be about 10 minutes after he asked to see Nathan that he becomes frustrated, and that it would take him about 5 minutes to follow up himself and call Nathan. So those scenes, currently 17:45 and 18:19, should be about 15 minutes apart. However, they're currently 34 minutes apart. So let's meet in the middle. (15 + 34) ÷ 2 = 24.5 minutes between the scenes. That's 34 - 24.5 = 9.5, rounded to a 10-minute reduction of that gap, 5 minutes closer to sunset either way. So the last daylight scene with Ivan arriving on the rig goes from being 17:41 to being 17:46, and the first dark scene with Billy leaving goes from being 18:11 to being 18:06. Also, if we're guessing the scene where Ivan becomes frustrated and the sirens start is 10 ÷ (10 + 5) = ⅔ of the way between him asking for Nathan and calling him, and those scenes are now 17:50 and 18:14 respectively, then ⅔ through gives 18:06 for that scene. 16 minutes since he asked for Nathan, 8 minutes before he calls Nathan.
 * 17:41 - Ivan arrives on the rig. It's "evening", but still daytime. Realistically, at least 15 minutes before sunset. We're minimising the time though, so let's go with 15 minutes.
 * 17:43 - Ivan asks Sam about the shielding tiles. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
 * 17:45 - Ivan says he needs Nathan. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
 * 17:47 - Ivan sits and gets Mina's cookies out. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene.
 * 17:56 - Sunset.
 * 18:11 - Billy chooses to leave his group. The first scene in the dark. Realistically, at least 15 minutes after sunset. We're minimising the time though, so let's go with 15 minutes.
 * Somewhere between 18:11 and 18:16 - Nathan picks up Tandy. Anywhere between the scenes placed 18:11 and 18:16. Likely earlier rather than later, since they need a few minutes after this scene for them to have driven to the bridge by the time we see them next.
 * 18:16 - Tyrone takes the radio. At least 5 minutes since Billy left, and we're minimising time, so let's go with 5 minutes.
 * 18:19 - Nathan picks up the call from Ivan. The next scene with Nathan is likely just 1 minute later, and in between this and the next scene with Nathan, Billy bumps into Tyrone and tells him he shouldn't have taken the radio. So either this is the same minute as that, or the next Nathan scene is the same minute as that, and this is 1 minute earlier. 1 minute earlier works better, since again, we're minimising the time. So with the next scene, with Billy and Tyrone, being 18:20, that makes this 18:19.
 * 18:20 - Billy tells Tyrone he shouldn't have taken the radio. The police find them. At least 4 minutes since Tyrone took the radio, and we're minimising time, so let's go with 4 minutes.

OK, working with all that: So that's how I'd incorporate the Ivan scenes. Lastly, we have to fit in Nathan hitting Melissa. I'd say it's before any of this, because Tandy calls Roxxon to get through to her dad, suggesting he's been at work, and not at home, for the few hours preceding that call. So since the scene is at their home, it would have to be at least a few hours prior to Tandy calling him - if not the night before.
 * 17:01 - Ivan says goodbye to Mina as he leaves. I've placed this based on it being about 45 minutes before he gets to the rig, which is placed 17:46.
 * Between 17:01 and 17:42 - Ballet lesson and Tyrone talking to Billy and his friends.
 * 17:42 - Tandy calls the office for Nathan to come and pick her up. I've placed this based on it being about 3 minutes before he leaves work, which is placed 17:45.
 * 17:45 - Nathan leaves to get Tandy. I've placed this based on it being about 5 minutes before Ivan asks for him, which is placed 17:50.
 * 17:46 - Ivan arrives on the rig. It's "evening", but still daytime. Final scene in daylight, 10 minutes before sunset.
 * 17:48 - Ivan asks Sam about the shielding tiles. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:46.
 * 17:50 - Ivan says he needs Nathan. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:48.
 * 17:52 - Ivan sits and gets Mina's cookies out. I've placed this based on it being about 2 minutes after the last scene, which is placed 17:50.
 * 17:56 - Sunset.
 * 18:06 - Ivan asks why it's taking so long for him to talk to Nathan. 18:06, as explained.
 * 18:06 - Billy chooses to leave his group. The first scene in the dark. As explained, 18:06.
 * 18:08 - Nathan picks up Tandy. Anywhere between the scenes placed 18:06 and 18:11. 18:08 is about right, giving 12 minutes since sunset, but a good 6 minutes for them to have driven to the bridge by the time Nathan gets the call from Ivan.
 * 18:11 - Tyrone takes the radio. As explained, going with the minimum of 5 minutes since Billy left, making this 18:11.
 * 18:14 - Nathan picks up the call from Ivan. As explained, 18:14 works best.
 * 18:15 - Billy tells Tyrone he shouldn't have taken the radio. The police find them. It's between 18:14 and 18:15 scenes, and as explained, it's better to go with the later one to help minimise the time that passes.
 * 18:15 - Nathan tells them what will happen if they shut down the rig. 1 minute after last Nathan scene.
 * 18:16 - Billy and Tyrone run. Between 18:15 and 18:16, and with the last scene at 18:135 this should be 18:16 - allowing for a minute since their last scene.
 * 18:16 - The rig starts to collapse. 1 minute after last Nathan scene.

A weird thing in The Lotus Eaters was that Nathan seems to be calling Ivan moments before the collapse, when we know from First Light that it was the other way around. But I guess that's just part of Ivan's visions - things are slightly off.

Personal Extra Note
I mentioned before that the cast of Spider-Man: Far from Home were filming near to my home, but they were actually in my home city the other day. There are pictures of them in the main part of the city, standing in places where I walk pretty much every other day - just a mile or so from my home. It's exciting and kinda surreal!