Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190416015101

Cloak & Dagger: Season 2 (Rman823, Marvelus)
Rman823 wrote: Cloak and Dagger just reffered to the end of last season as 242 days ago. Confirmation that Episode 3 begins in late October 2017. Hadn't watched it yet when you sent the message because the normal week-to-week shows unfortunately air at like 2-3AM here in the U.K. so I can only really watch like 6-18 hours after airing. But watched it on Friday and yeah, the episode is really generous, just gives us "x days ago" throughout. Made me very happy. Only depends on when exactly Mayhem crawled out of the lake in relation to the end of Colony Collapse, but now that we have an almost-exact placement already, I'll rewatch Episodes 1-3 this week and work out the number of days that pass and what the dates might be. Melissa mentions it's "Friday" in Episode 1, though I have a feeling that it's before the main events kick in so there's a small undetermined gap after and it doesn't tell us exactly what day of the week the current events would be, but anyway, I'll have a look.

Marvelus wrote: I heard that Ben Urich was mentioned as well. Can someone confirm that? Rman823 wrote: Yeah. Tandy, Tyrone, and O'Reilly discover Mayhem's lair and find newspaper articles, notes, etc. on the wall. Along with some cards similar to how Ben kept track of Fisk. She mentions how she learned about keeping notes on playing cards from a reporter in New York. It was a nice little reference. Loved it. Cloak & Dagger seems quite connected to Netflix considering the cross-referencing about Misty and O'Reilly in Cloak & Dagger and Luke Cage last summer and the mention of "Rands" in Colony Collapse. And Ben Urich was one of my favourite characters as well.

Some other stuff I caught in Episode 3:
 * A scene that, from memory, I think was about 6 or 7 months before the current events, so a month or 2 after Colony Collapse, had a lot of tinsel, weirdly - like it was Christmas. Christmas, a month or two after Mardi Gras. Anyway, it wasn't made explicit so it's fine.
 * A Billy article is shown again, saying "17, born August 1, 199?". I think possibly 1993, which wouldn't work, but obviously we managed to place Season 1 and Season 1's flashbacks, this at worst would just add to the contradictory pile of Season 1 evidence but not make an overall difference. I can't remember if we made a decision over Billy's date of birth and if we were prioritising, but we can review the evidence again at the end of Season 2 - I'll probably have a look back over Season 1 conclusion notes when I get to checking the season as well, this week.
 * There were some missing posters with ages and dates (not relevant I don't think for the present events, just worth noting):
 * Maribel O'Neil, age 20.
 * Anne Torrez, "Missing since February 13th".
 * One age 17, "Missing since July 21st".
 * Lori Edgars, age 20, stupidly says "Missing since August 9th" and yet underneath "Family reported missing on March 24th, had not been home since the night before".
 * A later one was "Missing since January 20th".

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3 (Rman823)
Rman823 wrote: As for switching up Season 3. There isn't really anything that says the monolith scene has to be a certain amount of time past the rest of Season 2's finale. I'll leave the final decision up to you, but personally I don't see an issue with leaving it, the 4,722 scenes, and the beginning of Season 3 as is. If the scene was moved back, it would now take place on May 13th meaning Simmons is rescued on November 26th which was Thanksgiving in 2015. I think it works better for it to remain the 29th but I'll leave the final decision up to you.

Also, I just started Episode 11 of Season 3 and there are two posters behind Yo-Yo. One has Sabado and the 12th (March 12th 2016 was a Saturday) and another with Domingo 27 De Marzo (March 27th 2016 was a Sunday). Not sure if this evidence has been noticed but it gives even more confirmation that this episode is in Mid-March. There isn't, sure, it's just I don't like the idea of being asked, "Why is it 10 days after the main events of S.O.S.?", and the answer being, "Well we decided it was about a week but then some stuff shifted and we didn't have the time and energy to move it all back 3 days." I don't feel that how much effort something would take should affect the timeline, especially if it's because we made a mistake. It's the same reason why, for example, when asked (before we found out about the Yo-Yo monitor date) why Principia couldn't just be shifted a day to avoid Runaways: Season 1 and make things cleaner, I said that despite the extra effort of interweaving a day's events, the placement was where the calculations placed it and there is no proper universe-related reason why the placement should be different to that just because of us.

That said, you make a good point about Thanksgiving, so that could give an actual in-universe reason for it to remain where it is. Though it could potentially still shift a little, I don't know, I'll look at it all whenever I get around to sorting it.

Thanks for that Bouncing Back stuff. You've told us about a few things now that had slipped through the net in our watches, so your input is very valuable.

Phase Two (additional)
I mentioned before that there's a few Phase Two films where I haven't properly checked the placements from prior to my time. The other day, on rewatch of Iron Man 3, I kept some brief notes and found some corrections that needed to be made - and made them. Today I did The Winter Soldier, and I found that the number of days that have currently been decided on is correct. However, I thought I'd still send my sunrise/sunset and time zone calculations anyway.

The Indian Ocean scene is said to be 16°55'12.06"S 72°56'7.09"E (they notoriously say "N" and "N" for both longitude and latitude when not only should latitude be "E"/"W" instead, but the Indian Ocean is also "S" not "N"), i.e. -16.920017, 72.935303. I found some places on/near land either side with sunrise/sunset times available and of a negligibly similar longitude, Mahajanga, Madagascar at 46.345741 E and the Gulf of Carpentaria, Australia at 139.480163 E.

The night closest to the day of January 8th Eastern U.S. time was: This translates to:
 * Gulf of Carpentaria (139.480153) - sunset local 8th 19:40, sunrise local 9th 05:53.
 * Mahajanga (46.345741) - sunset local 8th 18:55, sunrise local 9th 05:08.
 * Gulf of Carpentaria (139.480153) - sunset 8th 09:40 UTC, sunrise 8th 19:53 UTC.
 * Mahajanga (46.345741) - sunset 8th 15:55 UTC, sunrise 9th 02:08 UTC.

The Indian Ocean location, at 72.935303, is 66.54486° west of (sunrise/sunset is after) the Gulf of Carpentaria, while 26.589562° east of (sunrise/sunset is before) Mahajanga.

So, the approximate sunrise and sunset times should be about 66.54486 / (26.589562 + 66.54486) = 0.71450 of the way from the Gulf of Carpentaria's time to Mahajanga's time.

So, in Eastern time, the nighttime (it's dark in the Indian Ocean scenes) should be 09:08 to 19:21 on the 8th.
 * Sunset [9 + (40 / 60)] + 0.71450 * ([15 + (55 / 60)] - [9 + (40 / 60)]) = 14.13231, 8th 14:08 UTC.
 * Sunrise [19 + (53 / 60)] + 0.71450 * ([26 + (8 / 60)] - [19 + (53 / 60)]) = 24.34898, 9th 00:21 UTC.

The opening scene is at dawn, around 06:57 in Washington D.C.. At the absolute earliest, Natasha and Steve take off on the Quinjet at 07:20 and that's very optimistic considering there's some running left after the light of dawn and Steve's talk with Sam and getting to the Quinjet.

While it is said when they arrive that the pirates only took the ship 93 minutes ago, there is no way they got the approximately 10,067 miles from D.C. to that point in the Indian Ocean in under 93 minutes - that would require 6500mph and the Quinjets have never been shown to be capable of more than maximum 2000. No, I reckon they left for the Lemurian Star due to some sort of altercation or the pirates' first attack, but they only finished their takeover 93 minutes ago, or they just were going to the Lemurian Star for a mission but the mission changed 93 minutes ago when pirates took the ship. We're talking, realistically, at least 6 and definitely at least 5 hours flying, so they could get there around 12:30 Eastern time absolute earliest, maybe closer to 14:00 Eastern time. But that works, fits in the 09:08-19:21 night that's been calculated.

Then they fly back, and again, even at the absolute fastest, if they got there at 12:30, left after about 20 minutes, and again managed barely over 5 hours, the absolute earliest they are getting back is 17:50, and sunset in D.C. is 17:32. So the next scene, with Fury showing Steve Insight, has to be the next day whatever the case - probably not long after they got back though since Steve hasn't changed.

I'm going to assume they took off around 07:45, arrived around 14:15-14:30, were done by 15:00 but had some clearing up to do and maybe left around 16:00/17:00, took a more gentle flight back (no urgency), maybe 1000mph so 10 hours or so, got back around 04:00/05:00 on the 9th, reported to Fury, who met with Steve early in the morning, soon after sunrise, around 07:00.

With that worked out: Exactly as has been decided already.
 * Day 1 is the running and Lemurian Star.
 * Day 2 is Fury showing Steve Insight, the Smithsonian, Peggy, Sam's veterans, the car chase, the Winter Soldier shooting Fury.
 * Day 3 is Fury declared dead, Steve talking to Pierce (Fury being shot was "last night"), elevator, on the run, Camp Lehigh.
 * Day 4 is getting to Sam, highway ("16 hours" until Insight), finding out Fury is alive, Renata.
 * Day 5 is Insight.

Without revisiting Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 1 yet I can't confirm that the way it was decided that End of the Beginning and Turn, Turn, Turn would fit with the events is correct, but can confirm at least that The Winter Soldier is correct.

Russos' Chronological Order (additional)
As expected, it's plain-sailing until Civil War - but just to confirm, they did get Vol. 2 correct, and also one detail worth noting is that Iron Man 3 and The Dark World being in that order further confirms that Iron Man 3 is December 2012/January 2013 and not December 2013/January 2014 as some suggest, also suggesting that because of that it would be after The Dark World.

Disney+ Shows (additional)
Not going to go into details about the shows themselves that were revealed, but just explaining what the Disney website's release schedule told us with their "Year One" and "Year Two" dates: Also, it's been said that Star Wars ' s The Mandalorian will be a week-to-week show rather than the Netflix "all-at-once" model, so one might assume that this will mean the Marvel shows will also be week-to-week. I hope they are, much prefer that model as all-at-once can be stressful and tricky (though at least, if they are all-at-once, the canon ones (I don't know about Marvel's What If...?), are said to be only 6-8 episodes).
 * Falcon & Winter Soldier (at least that's what the logo says - the Disney tweet and website say The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, how hard is it to have an official title?) will premiere between November 12, 2019 and November 11, 2020 (and I mean, if it were 2019 they would be further along than they currently are and would also push to get it out at launch in November, so basically it's coming in 2020).
 * Loki and, ahem, WandaVision (please change that Disney) will premiere between November 12, 2020 and November 11, 2021.
 * Marvel's What If...?, which obviously we won't need to work on as it's not MCU canon but I am really looking forward to, will be between November 12, 2019 and November 11, 2020.

And As Always, Just Some More Links for Archiving (additional)
Fury's desk job for 6 years, again.

Samuel L. Jackson calls the gap between Captain Marvel and Infinity War "20 years" (obviously rounding, also don't worry about the subject matter of the article, he has revealed that he was lying).