Thread:Rodangizzardcrusher3/@comment-26687285-20170428015655/@comment-25692211-20170428075818

Well, I agree with all the positives, and I have responses to the negatives.

1. I feel as if Logan breaking down any more than he did would have been out of character and unrealistic. Logan to me was never the person who would show much emotion (his skyward "NO!" when Jean died was one of the cheesiest parts of The Last Stand IMO) and doing his usual scream like when Kayla died wouldn't have worked because Logan's not really in the shape to do that anymore and it would have taken the viewer out of the scene.

I like the film's portrayal because Jackman's not overacting but he plays the character in a way that's so consumed by grief that he can't even get more than a few words out (I had to read a poem at my grandmother's funeral a few years ago and I was almost just like that). And I was also fond of the fact that the film is also sort of like an anti-Last Stand as well. In that movie, Charles is given a monument and all his students are there. This was so much more tragic. After all he's done for mutants and humans, Charles is just left in a pit in the ground with only Logan and Laura to remember him by.

2. I honestly thought it was going to be Daken from the first trailer (since the claws that try to attack Logan have three blades rather than two, so it couldn't be Laura) and I was somewhat disappointed when X-24 (who I'd been grinning at the very mention of in the cinema because I thought I saw it coming) just turned out to be another Wolverine with no personality and Victor's haircut. So yeah, that was a pain in the ass.

Since Jim Mangold has expressed interest in doing a sequel to Logan starring X-23, I think it would be a good opportunity to take her to Japan and meet Daken. It would not only focus on family again (though it may be a little too similar to other studios e.g. Loki and Thor, Gamora and Nebula, Aquaman and Ocean Master) but it's also a good chance to address where the events of The Wolverine are in this timeline and how much has changed in them. They'd probably simplify Daken's origins a bit and have him be Mariko's son rather than just make a completely different Japanese woman for Logan to do a one-night-stand with.

3. I agree. At the time the casting was announced, I was genuinely excited because I thought Richard E. Grant was playing Mr Sinister (though seeing how this is a western, how the hell would that kind of character fit in here)

When I was writing X-Men: Vengeance, my main goal was to make it like the DOFP of this timeline. No time travel, but it explains certain things and ties up continuities while fixing some pretty glaring errors that Apocalypse has with the rest of the series.

My explanation was that Trask Industries, Weapon X and Transigen were all subsidiaries of the Essex Corporation. After rescuing Logan in DOFP, Mystique would learn about this and she and Logan would go across the country taking down the subsidiaries. However, when it came to Weapon X, Stryker captured both of them but Raven escaped.

Nathaniel Essex II (this would be my explanation for Essex's lack of aging) would have been the one to take the blood sample from Weapon X and store it away, while encountering the X-Men in the 90s. This one's Nathaniel Essex II because Nathaniel Essex I took part in Shaw's experimentation on Erik in the 40s. Additionally, in the 90s Caliban is killed by Essex, but has a son that Psylocke raises alongside her own daughter called Betty.

After Nathaniel Essex II's defeat, Nathaniel Essex III (played by Orlando Bloom in my idea) took old designs from Trask (since the upgraded Sentinels were never made in this timeline) and helped Zander Rice to produce the machines that would taint the corn supply and limit the mutant population. He also supplied Rice with the blood samples allowing them to create Laura, X-24 and the other kids.

While Rice was setting this up, Essex established laboratories that tried to awaken the dormant genes in the mutants who had drank the corn syrup (this is around the 2010s, so I think you can guess which movie this is taking place in) but Deadpool went on a year-long mission killing all the people from this facility, eventually killing Francis.

During/after the events of Logan, Essex transports all of his work to Genosha, and the remaining X-Men split into two camps. One group, featuring Rogue, Betty (Psylocke's daughter who has her mother's powers and alter-ego) Mystique, Cable, Gambit and Deadpool, are based in Canada, running the mutant refugee camp that Laura and the kids were going to at the end of Logan. The other, featuring Bishop, Iceman, Kitty, Domino and an older Victor Creed, hide out on Genosha waging guerilla warfare against Essex's men (kind of like Saw Gerrera's partisans from Rogue One)

Essex has continued his work on adult mutants, awakening the mutant gene inside Vanessa, which allows her to become Copycat. He also has one of Charles Xavier's former students, Regan Wyngarde (played by Kate Winslet) working for him, alongside a former member of Team X, Arkady Rossovich (played by Alexander Skarsgard) who holds a grudge against Logan and wants to kill Laura. Additionally, he takes genes from the corpse of Caliban's son (the son is the Caliban who was in Logan) and makes a more feral clone that walks on all fours but still keeps the late mutant's intellect (but unknown to Essex, still has the character's memories dormant in there somewhere)

Well, that's Vengeance set up. What did you think of it?