Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26838855-20190803131136/@comment-26838855-20190811112227

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I agree with BEJT. Shabook's explanation works but there isn't anything in the show that would point to it being true. It should be treated as a theory.

What we're shown is that all the agents (including Fitz from different means) travel from the present of Earth-A to the future of Earth-A. Then, they come back to the present of Earth-A some months after they left, and then create Earth-B which is now the main MCU timeline. We're also shown that the agents had already tried to change Earth-A's future but failed and were stuck in a time loop until they managed to split universes in the S5 finale.

I don't see why you would think the Monolith transported them to an alternate universe future, instead of just the future of their own universe. Unless you have a source stating that, it would just be speculation. You put this very well DaenerysTheMadKhal58, thank you. This is exactly how I've perceived this situation - that it works but there isn't anything actually pointing to it being true, and that there is no reason to make the assumption it transported them to an alternate universe future instead of their own, that that's just speculation.

Marvelus wrote: I do agree with Shabook, just like Strange saw multiple outcomes of the upcoming conflict from the Infinity War and beyond, he saw multiple realities (alternate universes) where different results would have happened. This is the same just with the Monolith being involved. What?

Elledy92 wrote: I too agree with Shabook. The End confirms that Fitz's conception of time-space was wrong, because it didn't considered the theory of the universal wavefunction, it was a deterministic approach that was more similar to Bohr-Einstein interpretation of time and quantum physic. Again, no one's arguing there isn't a multiverse involved here. Fitz didn't know timelines could split into "many worlds".

Shabook wrote: Don't have more time for debating until two weeks later, but I'd like you to consider that alternate realities are a fact, and there is a whole upcoming TV series dedicated to them.

And given that, I'm afraid this is going to be this wiki's official position regarding it. Alternate universes as opposed to "timelines". Absolutely fine that you don't have time for debate, you're inactive.

I am not arguing that totally separate, dizygotic realities don't exist (although nothing in the MCU has said that yet, but it likely will). But just because they exist doesn't mean that everything needs to be about them. That's the point here, what myself and DaenerysTheMadKhal58 do not understand is why this theory is necessary as opposed to sticking to the facts of the show. But I understand you don't have time for more explanation.

I'm not entirely sure why the wiki's official position is already decided. I thought the plan was for there to be a big wiki discussion about how to handle this stuff? Especially when Uskok, an admin, has been editing things to say "original timeline" and "new timeline" rather than "alternate timeline", and the wiki at large has been keeping to that system, so this would be a big change.

I'd also be interested to hear from the other users on this thread.

Anyway, whatever. Hope work is going well, Shabook.