Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190716201022

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Edward Zachary Sunrose, ProBot1227, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Fingers crossed Joe Quesada answers you. I miss being part of the Once Upon A Time fandom, the writers, showrunners and even actors would always answer timeline questions. Though to be fair, that timeline is still freakin' hell to decipher, 8 years after it first debuted. Nothing yet, sadly. I can try tweeting him but it's looking like we're not going to get executive input.

ProBot1227 wrote: Another timeline question, sorry, but how'd you get work out that April-May date for Jessica Jones from? (For The Comic Board.com) I should have made it clearer, I have done the working out on paper but am still typing up my workings. I was sending the results ahead of the full write-up of workings so that you guys would at least get some of my results now, and how it affects the Snap, without having to wait longer for the full thing.

There isn't hard evidence for any of the particular dates (which, if going with spring, was always going to be chosen without hard evidence because none of the dates shown line up with it). The Thursday, April 26-Sunday, May 27, 2018 was, in short, chosen because: The full explanation, explaining the justification for the November-December dates and explaining why the season spans 31 days Thursday to Sunday, and all the rest, I'm still working on.
 * I worked out the season spans 31 days from a Thursday to a Sunday.
 * The Snap can currently be placed no earlier than May 17th. The earlier the better, so it can be closer to January/February (middle of the academic year) than to late June (end of the academic year). If going with a spring placement, it is so Jessica Jones: Season 3 can be pre-Snap, therefore the Snap would be after the end of the season, and thus ideally the end of the season would be before May 17th. If not, it should be as soon after May 17th as possible to keep the Snap as early as possible.
 * If making sure the season falls before Thursday, May 17th, then the latest the season could end would be Sunday, May 13th, so the season would be Thursday, April 12-Sunday, May 13, 2018 or earlier (but ideally not much earlier than that because the later the better to get it as close to being after The Punisher: Season 2 as it can be, even though it wouldn't quite be, and closer to fitting small things like it being a year since Season 2 and 18 years since April 2001).
 * While they've occasionally overlapped, all twelve previous Netflix seasons have been set chronologically as whole seasons - i.e. the bulk of each season's events is set after the bulk of the last season's, with the midpoints of each season being in chronological order. It would be odd for that to suddenly change on the thirteenth and final. If it fits with the Snap, it would be ideal for the midpoint of Jessica Jones: Season 3 to be set after the midpoint of The Punisher: Season 2.
 * The midpoint of The Punisher: Season 2 (the setting of the scene exactly in the middle of Episode 7, Frank and Curtis talking in the car at night) is the night of Thursday, May 10, 2018. The midpoint of Jessica Jones: Season 3 (the setting of the scene exactly in the middle of Episode 7, Zaya telling Jeri that she has discovered the vigilante appears to be targeting their clients) is a Thursday night, 14 days after the start of the season and 17 days before the end of the season. So, if maintaining the Netflix chronological order, the earliest Jessica Jones: Season 3 can be placed is if you take the Thursday at the midpoint of the season to be the same Thursday as the midpoint of The Punisher: Season 2 and take the midpoint scene to be mere hours, or even less, after the midpoint scene of The Punisher: Season 2 (i.e. the same night, but Jessica Jones is still just about chronologically after). This would make that Thursday Thursday, May 10th, so the season as a whole Thursday, April 26-Sunday, May 27, 2018.
 * So, Thursday, April 12-Sunday, May 13, 2018 (or earlier, but no particular reason to go earlier) and then the Snap is Thursday, May 17, 2018, or Thursday, April 26-Sunday, May 27, 2018 and then the Snap is Thursday, May 31, 2018. Ideally the latter to get it after The Punisher: Season 2, but that's only if doing that doesn't mess up the Snap. And does it? Well, in my opinion, no. Pushing the Snap to May 31st is still acceptable and worth it for keeping the chronology Netflix has established. If putting Jessica Jones after The Punisher had meant putting the Snap as late as June, then that would have been justification enough to break the Netflix chronology (if placing Jessica Jones pre-Snap) because it's too late. But still in May, it's not big a deal enough to justify breaking the Netflix chronology when you can still keep it.

And these dates wouldn't be usable for The Comic Board, because they're not based on hard dates. They're for the wiki, which has to assign specific dates on the timeline pages even when it's not 100% precisely established.

I'm so behind on The Comic Board, I'll get back to them at some point.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: There are some references to Spring in the season, but I think April-May is mostly so it can be before the Snap. Well it's the placement if before the Snap. It's one of two possibilities: April-May or November-December.

ProBot1227 wrote: Couldn't it be Thursday 2nd March - Sunday 22nd April, as to not move Avengers: Infinity War further? I'm sure it's more complicated than this, but you know. That would break the Netflix chronology, and it's not that big a deal to move Infinity War 2 weeks further.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: Well, that would put the end of the season before the end of Punisher S2 (not counting epilogue), and that has never happened in a Netflix show before, so I'm guessing that's why. It should probably also be as late as it can be to fit better with Late 2018 evidence and the line about being a year since S2. To the first part, pretty much. Making sure that, like with the Daredevil/Luke Cage and Iron Fist/Daredevil overlaps, the bulk of the events are still chronologically ordered.

To the second part, sort of. Some of the evidence is a case of "well either it's November or it isn't", sort of discrete evidence if you will, while some is more continuous evidence where you want it to be as close as possible to something and the closer the better (e.g. it being 18 years since April 2001 so you want it as late in 2018 as possible).

The reason for April-May is The Punisher, but also even if you were to give up on it being after The Punisher I would only go 2 weeks earlier and no further back just because there's no reason to go earlier while there are a few bits and pieces suggesting as late as possible: to get it at least as close as possible to being after The Punisher (even though it would still be before), to get it closer to exactly a year after Season 2 (not a major factor but since there's no particular reason to go earlier, getting it to April-May is nonetheless better), to get it closer to 18 years after April 2001 (the later in 2018 the better, definitely has to be after April 2018 otherwise you're taking less than 17 years), to accommodate the fact that a scene at least "weeks" before the main events of the season is said to be "spring", and other bits and pieces.

ProBot1227 wrote: That year later thing, in my mind, is more about the actual number going fron 2017-2018. 10-11 months would suffice, anyway. Also, I'd rather the show be completely before The Punisher S2 than concurrent, personally. less hassle, that way. It's less strange than it being post-snap, in my opinion, but I'm sure everyone "wants" it to be pre-snap, it's just a big chunk of evidence that makes that hard. Again, I find it easier to believe that those are false than I do that half the entire universe is gone from existance. It is what it is, I guess. 10-11 months would indeed suffice for a year, that's not really a major factor. But there's no particular motive for going earlier rather than later, while there is reason to go later rather than earlier when you consider various bits and pieces.

We try to never place anything based on something being more or less hassle, because it's not an in-universe justification. If the justification for the placement in the references on the page, for example, said, "And we chose to go here just because it's easier for us," it wouldn't really be professional.

Auction (Gerisama)
Gerisama wrote: Marvel is auctioning many Netflix MCU props, some might have some timeline related clues

https://marvel.propstoreauction.com/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/198/ Thank you for the heads-up. I wasn't expecting things to go online for another month.

Gerisama wrote: Found one: https://marvel.propstoreauction.com/images/lot/1778/177827_9.jpghttps://marvel.propstoreauction.com/images/lot/1778/177827_9.jpg

Punisher's Metro General medical bracelet. Thanks. I took a day off of working on my various current wiki projects to have a thorough look at the whole auction, and I believe I've compiled every bit of timeline details:
 * "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80", "Offer good through 10/31/14" (doesn't fit).
 * Matt's junior associate card: "Expires 12/31/14".
 * "Wilson Fisk's Promise to City: A Better Tomorrow" newspaper (1, 2): "Weekday Edition/Partly Cloudy, Upper 70s", "press event yesterday", "third June weekend", things referring to "Sunday" and "Sunday's Pride March", "since June 23" (none of those fit), "New York Post, Tuesday, October 14, 2014" but that, as described on the main page, is just the New York Post slipped inside from the day of filming.
 * Ben's press badge: "expires 10/30/2016".
 * New York Bulletin press vehicle pass: Toyota Camry exists.
 * "Daredevil Collars Fisk" newspaper (1, 2): "Weekday Edition/Cloudy, 43", "arrested by FBI agents yesterday", "Offer good through 10/31/14" (doesn't fit).
 * "Harlem Terror" newspaper: "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80" "yesterday evening".
 * "Punisher Punished" newspaper (1, 2): "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80" "fourth gang-targeted massacre in as many days", "Offer good through 10/31/14" (doesn't fit), there's a bunch of nonsense copy-and-pasted under unrelated headlines to just fill out the paper that should be ignored, "36-year-old Frank Castle" so with his birthday being November 15th and this being early November, he should be about to turn 37, born November 15, 1978, "late last night".
 * Frank Castle's Medical ID Bracelet: "02/16/1976" (doesn't fit), "07/12/2015" (doesn't fit, not even with the July date in the show).
 * Foggy's law license: "twentieth day of July two thousand and fourteen", "twentieth day of July in the year of our Lord two thousand and fourteen".
 * Foggy's desk belongings: "2003", "110803", "11/6/85" (unclear what this refers to).
 * Ellison's New York Bulletin press badge: "expires 10/30/2016".
 * Foggy's Columbia University law degree: "New York affixerunt in decimo octavo die Maii urbs tredecim milia anno" → New York City hung in the eighteenth day of May thirteen thousand years (doesn't make sense, would be 1300 instead of 21st century), founded "1754".
 * Edmond Cleary Class casket: "February 17 1883, October 3 1948".
 * Foggy's wallet: "Member since 2013, valid thru 09/17".
 * Blake Tower reelection leaflets: "In the his [sic] last year alone, the overall crime rate has declined by 1.8%".
 * "FBI Botches Fisk Transfer" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Partly Cloudy, Upper 40s".
 * Karen's framed newspapers: "Weekday Edition/Some sun High 80 Low 71", "The bipartisan deal to spend $17 billion on the beleaguered VA should help millions of deserving veterans get the timely health care they earned defending our country" (July 2014), "Today, Partly sunny, mid 80s", "Tonight, Mostly clear, 64-76", "Tomorrow, Partly sunny 82-88", "Thursday July 14 1977", "© 1977".
 * Karen's three framed newspapers "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80" (they also just copy and pasted the "Punisher Punished" text), "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80", "Weekday Edition/Some sun, 80" (they also just copy and pasted the "Punisher Punished" text).
 * FBI Murdock Apartment Raid Evidence: "-6 2016" (letter seemingly left in Matt's apartment post-his apparent death), "3/11/2000" (not clear what this refers to).
 * Dr. Mercer's empathy notes on young Dex: "4/18 - 1PM".
 * Dex's hotline clipboard: "06 26 2017" (when clipboard was made, doesn't fit).
 * "FBI Investigates One of Their Own" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Partly Cloudy, High 40s", "Several days ago, an FBI motorcade was transferring Wilson Fisk", referring to a ransack on "Friday" night (so likely a Monday paper).
 * "Daredevil's Midnight Slaughter" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Cloudy, High 50s".
 * "The Bulletin Attack" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Today's Weather: Cloudy H 54*, L 37*; clouds lessening overnight/ Tomorrow's Weather: Partly sunny with clouds increasing by evening, 39*-51*", "Thirteen minutes", "Late last night", "At 8pm tonight, a candlelight vigil will take place", "Mass Protests Continue in Hungarian [...] an unannounced march on the building of the Education Secretariat" (April 2017).
 * Karen's New York Bulletin press badge: "Age 31" (but "Sex M" so perhaps the second badge isn't actually Karen's. If "M" is just a mistake though, "31" would indeed be correct).
 * Victor Torres casket: "1931-2003".
 * Fisk and Donovan's files on Poindexter: "In office rec. transcr 10/22", "In office rec. transcr 10/21", "Poindexter sessions 35-42, October 24th, October 31st, November 6th, November 13th, November 20th, November 27th, November 28th, December 5th".
 * "Game Over" newspaper: "Weekday Edition/Cloudy, 43", "Offer good through 10/31/14" (doesn't fit), "expected to announce on Tuesday" so likely not Monday or Tuesday, "On Monday, the attorney general's office said" so likely not Monday or Tuesday.
 * Pop's memorial order of service: "Viewing, 1pm-3pm, Sermon, 4pm-5pm, Open mic, 5pm-6pm" "Organized in 1878, in our 133 years of existence" (doesn't fit).
 * "Perfect End to Historic Season" clipping: "On October 15th, the New York Nines defeated San Francisco in Game Seven of the 1987 Championship Series." Obama exists - specifically said to be or have been president, Eugenie Bouchard, Coca-Cola, Elle Quebec, "Elle Quebec put Bouchard on the cover of its August issue" which happened in 2014 suggesting this article is from between July 2014 and July 2015, Maria Sharapova, Twitter, Women's Tennis Association, "Bouchard, who turned 20 in February" which was February 2014 so article from between March and December 2014, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams, Pam Shriver, Nick Saviano, Wimbledon, Simona Halep, Petra Kvitova, The Bionic Woman starring Lindsay Wagner, Shelby Rogers and Shelby Rogers match from August 2014, Rogers currently No. 113.
 * Harlem's Paradise alcohol bottles: Malibu Island Spiced, Ketel One Vodka, C.H.J. Nolet, Tito's Handmade Vodka, The Kraken Black Spiced Rum.
 * "Menace" flyer: (1, 2): "Tonight 7:00PM".
 * Mariah's photograph book: The Radio City Christmas Spectacular at Radio City Music Hall, "29DEC11", "FRI DEC 30, 2011 1:00PM". The Lydian Singers at Brooklyn Centre, "Sat, Jun 14, 2003 8:00PM". "THU, OCT 30, 1997, 7:30P.M., 1997 National Horse Show" at Madison Square Garden. Madame Tussaud's Las Vegas. The Sonny Rollins Quartet, "FRIDAY, JUNE 16th, 1967".
 * Cockroach's subpoena against Luke: "EXP. 01/30/2021", "DATE: 09-14-2018, TIME: 2:30PM", "-6/2018, and the person was arrested on (date) 08/14/2018" (doesn't fit).
 * Ridley's arrest warrant for John McIver: "Date: 08/20/2018", "This warrant was received on (date) 08/20/2018, and the person was arrested on (date) 08/20/2018", "Date: 08/20/2018" (none of this fits).
 * Rand Enterprises airline safety brochure (1, 2): "© 2001".
 * Culture celebration masks (1, 2, 3, 4): Called "culture celebration", not specifically Chinese New Year.
 * Joy's Columbia University law degree: "New York affixerunt in decimo octavo die Maii urbs tredecim milia anno" → New York City hung in the eighteenth day of May thirteen thousand years (doesn't make sense, would be 1300 instead of 21st century), founded "1754".
 * Chikara Dojo bulletin board: "Billing period: Mar 13 to Apr 13". "30 Mon Memorial Day" (referring to May, May 30th was a Monday in 2016), "27 Wed" (doesn't fit), "27 Fri" (May 27th was a Friday in 2016), "June [...] 7 Mon" (doesn't fit), "June [...] 11 Sat", "June [...] 13-17 Mon-Fri", "June [...] 17 Fri", "June [...] 11 Sat", "June [...] 20-24 Mon-Fri", "June [...] 24-25 Fri-Sat", "June [...] 27th-July 1 Mon-Fri" (all fit 2016), "July [...] 1st-3rd Fri-Sun" (fits 2016), "July [...] 4 Mon" (fits 2016), "July [...] 5th-8th Mon-Fri" (should be 4th-8th but fits 2016). "January 19 Sunday New Year's Group Workout" (January 19th was a Sunday in 2015 so doesn't fit), "February 15 Saturday, 16 Sunday, 17 Monday President's Day Holiday" (February 15th was a Saturday in 2014 so doesn't fit), "February [...] 22 Saturday" (2014 so doesn't fit), "April 15 Tuesday Passover Holiday" (April 15th was a Tuesday and the day of Passover in 2014 so doesn't fit), "April [...] 26 Saturday", "May 24 Saturday, 25 Sunday, 26 Monday Memorial Day Holiday", "June 21 Saturday", "July 3 Thursday, 4 Friday, 5 Saturday, 6 Sunday Independence Day Holiday", "August 23 Saturday", "August [...] 30 Saturday, 31 Sunday, 1 Monday Labor Day Holiday", "September 12 Friday, 13 Saturday", "October 11 Saturday 12 Sunday 13 Monday Columbus Day Holiday", "October [...] 25 Saturday", "October [...] 31 Friday Halloween", "November 26 Wednesday → 30 Sunday Thanksgiving Holiday", "December 13 Saturday", "December [...] 20 Saturday → 1 Thursday Christmas Holiday" (all 2014 so don't fit).
 * Joy's application for an authorization of temporary involuntary hospitalization for Danny: "Date: Wednesday Time: 11:45PM" (doesn't fit).
 * Danny's hospital files: "Dated at the company's office in New York, New York on January 1, 1992", "1992". "Date filed: May 2, 1992, 10:12AM" (doesn't fit, born April 1, 1991), "Date of child's birth: May 1, 1992, Time: 06:13AM" (doesn't fit), "Heather Rand [...] Date of birth: 03/08/1973", "Wendell Rand [...] Date of birth: 12/19/1971", "Date Signed May 2 [...] 1992" (doesn't fit), "Birthdate: 05/01/1992" (doesn't fit), "Date given: 6/2/2004 [...] Date on VIS4: 7/11/01 [...] Date given: 6/2/04" (doesn't fit, missing 2001-2016), "Date given: 1/2/2005 [...] Date on VIS4: 7/11/01 [...] Date given: 1/2/05" (doesn't fit), "Date given: 12/15/1991 [...] Date on VIS4: 1/1/88 [...] Date given: 12/15/91", "Date given: 2/15/1992 [...] Date on VIS4: 10/15/91", "Date given: 4/15/1992", "Date given: 4/15/1993", "Date given: 4/15/1996", "Date given: 10/15/2003" (doesn't fit), "Date given: 6/12/2010" (doesn't fit), "Date given: 12/15/199-".
 * "Wrong Side of the Tracks" newspaper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Cloudy, 43", "Offer good through 10/31/14" (doesn't fit), Viacom, CBS, "92-year-old Chan", "on Monday", Gold High Life Kettle Gold/Kettle Gold, HEalthyLife, "in late 2015", "as soon as Wednesday", HealthyLife like Herbalife Bill Ackman December 20, 2012, "ruled Monday", Danny returned "two weeks ago", "plane crash fifteen years ago", "25-year-old", "was down 2.3 percent in the quarter ended March 31", "markets showed some gains by the end of April", "was down 7 percent in 2015"
 * Danny's credit card: "Valid from: 03/13, Expiration Date: 03/17" (doesn't fit, missing until 2016).
 * Landman | Zack sponsor recognition to Rand Enterprises: "Landman | Zack Day of Giving Back 2014".
 * New York Bulletin Philanthropy Award to Rand Enterprises: June 28, 2011.
 * Coffee A Go-Go bag and cup: "ESTD 1964".
 * Mary Walker's classified papers: "Served 8 years in various locals. Captured and held in isolation for an unknown length of time."