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Disabling Visual Mode
{{archive Given the amount of glitches, inconsistencies, and extra work for admins and users alike that the Visual Editor Mode, also called the Rich Text Editor or RTE is causing lately, it has been proposed to "forbid" its use in the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki, in order to improve the quality of each and every edit.
 * result= Proposal already applied
 * discussion=

Most of us have it turned off (see Special:Preferences, editing tab), but there a few contributors that still use it, and they are occasionally, and quite unintentionally, creating a mess in the codes of pages, even deleting them entirely, as with Coulson's article earlier today.

There are many reasons the visual mode is messing with this wiki, just to mention a few...
 * Entire pages are unintentionally deleted when making even minor edits, just as with the Coulson example listed above.
 * Galleries are messed up, removing literally hundreds of images for trying to add one or two images, leaving to the people who notice the removal to fix it.
 * It displays things as they are styled on the wiki. One example of this is the use of unneeded piped links, presented as Iron Man, with the space written as "& nbsp;", unnecessarily expanding the coding size of a page, which results on making some pages impractical for users with slow internet connections, or increasing the amount of datastream that users accessing from mobile devices have to pay to their companies.
 * Infobox templates automatically disable the source mode if Visual Mode is used, in order to add the template. However, for source mode users, the new template is seen as a single line, making it extra difficult to see if there are any missing or misplaced fields. It happens the same when a new field is added to an existing template
 * One of the things that are difficult to locate is the frequent replacement of ordinary wikilinks with an HTML URL link to a page. The RTE likes to do this: S.H.I.E.L.D. when it should be S.H.I.E.L.D. It is not done every time, but it is done usually enough to be a concern, as the whole point of a wiki is the manipulation of relational links, and its tools (such as the Special:WhatLinksHere/ page only work for internal links, not external links.

For all those reasons above, and given that at least 3 of the current 5 administrators already support this proposal, I suggest that editing this wiki should be mandatory to be done using source mode (the mode used by a vast majority of users), and tell the few contributors that still use Visual Mode (that can be seen in the Recent Changes page) to disable the Visual Mode and start using Source Mode.

Leave your comments on the section below, as given the importance (and emergency before the premiere of Daredevil), a voting should only be applied in case a reasonable number of contributors disagree with this proposal by providing reasons to keep the Visual Mode.Shabook (talk) 21:35, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Comments
I agree strongly with this proposal. I have fixed some quotes that I believe were miscoded as a result of this (though the user never responded, so I can't be sure). I myself did not take into account the extra data some of the coding takes, though it makes sense. I think making source mode mandatory is the smartest move for our wiki, especially since "business is about to boom", as one might say.~Silverstream (talk) 23:15, April 6, 2015 (UTC)Silverstream

I agreeColuanprime (talk) 00:20, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I also agree, usually I ignore the Visual Editor anyway and use Source Mode. Babyrockhopper (talk) 00:25, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I concur. I only use visual for something minor, like adding a comma or changing spelling; everything else, I use source. When I don't, I make major mistakes, like categories appear in weird places. The upcoming work will be tremendous in the next few weeks; with real life in the way, I don't have a lot of time to correct visual mode mistakes, when there are biographies, histories to write, research to verify, etc...Bratpack (talk) 00:38, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I agree, I just tried it with my profile and it works great. AKA S.I.H (talk) 00:46, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, it is very easy to just put a picture or do something with the regular editor. --HailHydra17 (talk) 00:48, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * if it is so easy, why does it go wrong so many times? Multiple mistakes that happen when you use visual mode have happened on your Blogpost (the link one almost everytime). You would not have that when using Source.TomasDerksen (talk) 01:12, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * We should disable the Visual Mode at once. We've had too many problems with it.--UskokHail HYDRA! 08:51, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I highly prefer the Source Mode to the Visual Mode. The Visual Mode is so confusing and difficult for me to use. When I use one of the computers at my local library or at my university's library, the Source Mode is the only mode that shows up when I go in to edit something. There's no option to switch over to Visual. I would hate to see the Source Mode be done away. I think it would make editing articles and pictures a little more difficult for us users if we're only allowed to edit using the Visual Mode. --Professor Ambrius (talk) 14:27, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thats why we talk about it the other way aroundTomasDerksen (talk) 15:00, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Source mode is definitely the better of the two but i can see the argument for having visual mode available for small edits (grammar spelling) especially for those who are just anonymous wiki contributors and may be confused by it. BamMitch (talk) 14:55, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

@Uskok, for the research I've done in other wikias that have had exactly this discussion regarding visual mode, though it is often found to be extremely disruptive, the only ones who can entirely disable it are the Wikia Staff, and they are extremely hard to convince regarding this subject. The TARDIS Wiki has had a long and very well researched discussion regarding this topic here, and the Megami Tensei Wiki has compiled how other wikis discussed it and failed to convince the wiki staff from disabling it, as seen in their own discussion here. As they suggested, the best option for us seems to be discourage the Visual Mode, and make it mandatory for every regular editor to use the Source Mode. Shabook (talk) 18:18, April 7, 2015 (UTC) @TomasDerksen, it is not hard at all to know who uses Visual Mode, their edits appear marked as such in the Recent Changes page, that's how I realized they were the ones causing all the article and gallery deletions. Shabook (talk) 22:30, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Should we change the Welcome message, then?--UskokHail HYDRA! 18:29, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * And put a punishment on it, all though that might be hard to figure our.TomasDerksen (talk) 18:31, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Uskok, a change in the Welcome Message, a highlighted forum thread to inform of the change to all visitors and regular editors, and messages for current editors that use the Visual Mode to make them change to Source Mode.
 * Really? I am looking at that page now, and after you said so I do indeed notice the (visualeditor), but never noticed that before

I also agree with this proposal. Adding quotes, galleries, links etc. is much easier in Source Mode. Dr.Who1997HAIL HYDRA! (◣‿◢) 10:05, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like almost everyone agrees with this, we'll make it official before Daredevil premieres. Shabook (talk) 20:23, April 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * It can't be disabled, and many contributors won't know about this, and will use it just the same. NoahR9 (talk) 07:21, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * They will be informed.--UskokHail HYDRA! 07:26, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * How? Also, if you use the ?action=edit pages visual, it doesn't say in the Recent Changes. All those above "stuff-ups" have never happened on my two Visual wikis. NoahR9 (talk) 00:28, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Is your only purpose to circumvent this community decission? Shabook (talk) 00:36, April 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, of course not. I'm just informing Shabook... NoahR9 (talk) 00:43, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

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Userboxes
I was thinking about making userboxes and a page for those userboxes on the MCU Wiki.

In case you are wondering userboxes are templates you add to your userpage for things you like. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me (talk ) 15:56, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

 * I dont really see the use of it personaly, but people might like to have them, so I am fine with them
 * You forgot to sign your post sig Tomas. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me

(talk ) 21:39, June 10, 2015 (UTC)