Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180528145603

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, it's the oddity of having three versions of Fitz that complicates things. Fitz's talk page on the main Marvel wiki featured a similar discussion, with diagrams and everything.

The current argument being presented is that the Fitz who traveled with the group back to the past was identical to the Fitz who would eventually become Deke's grandfather up until the Battle of Chicago. As such, they can basically be thought of as the same person.

Kind of, but not exactly. As I've stated previously, time travel in the marvel universe only "actually works" in the event of predestination paradoxes / temporal loops. The only way for Grandpa Fitz and Battle of Chicago Fitz to be the same person is if the loop wasn't broken, with Fitz living out the rest of his life in the Lighthouse.

It's a really odd situation. I'm really curious to read what you're explanation will be. It's tricky, but I think it comes down to Deke's line in Option Two.

"But not according to the multiverse theory." "Mmm. I'm not sure you actually know what "multiverse" means..." "That every choice we make spins out a different timeline into the cosmos, and right now, there are infinite parallel universes."

This suggests that the timelines are branching, not just completely separate. So there was one timeline, and then there was a choice. Whichever choice that was - say, Fitz entering the building and reminding May that Mack and Polly don't make it - happens differently, spinning off two different timelines - one where he doesn't (the timeline where Earth is destroyed), and where he does (the timeline where Earth is saved).

Assuming it is completely parallel timelines, the whole of Rewind would have to weirdly be set in an identical-until-January-2018 alternate timeline despite picking up where World's End left off.

Don't expect too much from my explanation, it's more of just an exact detailed breakdown of which events happened in which timeline. But I'm pretty sure it's tuning fork-shaped - one timeline splits off into two. And the designation comes essentially from which is the newest - the lowest line at any point is Earth-199999, and every other line above it is a discarded timeline with its own designation, such as Earth-TRN676.

It just makes more sense - for Fitz's sleep, for Deke's dialogue, for Robin feeling the shift, for Robin seeing different potential futures (essentially seeing both sides of a branch ahead, what happens down both roads that split off the one road they're driving down now, not just viewing completely separate universes).

The Wikia Editor wrote: I had an interesting thought on the matter. What if, in the original timeline, Daisy didn't notice the serum (at least not in time) and both her and the serum were simultaneously absorbed by Talbot. I image that he would suddenly experience a massive surge of power that could have resulting in him losing control of himself, thus resulting in the Earth's destruction. Sounds good. I think it's a safe bet that Daisy got absorbed. It's just still uncertain how the serum was involved in the Battle of Chicago originally.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Difficult to say. We don't know what Fury and Hill were doing prior to that scene and whether or not they had the necessary equipment/resources on hand that could have informed them of it.

Either way, the agents would have never gotten there in time anyway, rendering the point somewhat moot.

Also, I'm wondering if the modification they performed on the Zephyr to make it space worthy could have resulted in it being faster, thus allowing the events of the season finale to be a bit more succinct. It's possible that they can now travel faster, but considering the Tahiti sunrise time, the snap can't be 10:24AM anyway - might as well be pushed to 11:24AM, it works better as the only :24 which is simultaneously daytime in Tahiti, New York/Atlanta (whichever it's meant to be), and Wakanda, as well as allowing a little bit more time for their travel to Tahiti and generally for the agents composing themselves/making the plaque/preparing for Coulson's departure at the end of The End.

The Wikia Editor wrote: That definitely makes things easier, although it also makes potential crossovers with, say, the Runaways, more difficult. The showrunner stated that he is hoping that it could happen at some point in the future. It's possible that the flashbacks are the mid-2000s part.

Season 1 filmed Episode 1 February 8, 2017-February 24, 2017 (middle February 16, 2017), and Episodes 2-10 July 24, 2017-November 2, 2017 (middle September 12.5, 2017). So the middle of filming was ([February 16, 2017]*1+[September 12.5, 2017]*9)/10 = August 22.65, 2017. So, depending on which episodes young Cloak and Dagger appear in (just presuming spread across the season), Maceo Smedley, who plays young Cloak, would have been about 10y6.5m old. Rachel Ryals, who plays young Dagger, has no age available. But Cloak and Dagger are likely about 8-10. Olivia Holt would have been 20y0.5m, and Aubrey Joseph 19y9m. Considering the characters seem to still be in school, though, and generally the fact that teenagers tend to be played by actors older than themselves, the characters are probably more like 18. So the flashbacks are likely about 7-10 years prior to the main events of the season. It's possible that, say, the show is set in 2017 when it was filmed, and the flashbacks are mid-to-late 2000s, a few years "post-Katrina". The trailers have talked about how the Divine Pairing have a link to disasters in New Orleans, so it might make sense for the flashbacks to be around Katrina and something big happen concerning the Divine Pairing, and now New Orleans is set for a new disaster in the present day.

I do kind of hope it's set in the past, it sounds like a fun idea to spread out more. However, it would also be nice to see crossovers. I don't know how feasible that is, with one at Freeform and one at Hulu, but I am always up for a crossover. Not great on the goings-on in the comics, but the Runaways and Cloak and Dagger do crossover quite a bit, right?

CirUmeUela wrote: Collider asked Infinity War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely about the age of Thanos and they said "really old" but it sounds like it's not set in stone. That's in this video around 16:50.

They also talk about when was the Gauntlet formed by Eitri and they basically say it was sometime during Loki's reign while pretending to be Odin. That's around 38:20.

https://youtu.be/31hGnh7elAU I saw that in this article the other day, and forgot to mention the Eitri Nidavellir thing. So yeah, it's during Loki's reign, not after Asgard's destruction. So between August 2014 and October 2017. So either March 2016-ish, the middle, or just stick with the Age of Ultron setting. I feel like that's easier and less weirdly placed - it would just seem odd for it to be dropped into March 2016, so disconnected from its film. I'd say that it should go just after the end of Age of Ultron in late May. The Russos sort of said recently that that's the case.

As for the Thanos thing, I was reading the article the other day and saw that one of the questions answered was "How Old Is Thanos?" and I went "Ooh, great!" "Good question, I think he's really old but I don't know if I have a hard date for you [...] It didn't really matter to us." "Great," I thought😂. "Just great"😂.