Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190611002327

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Marvelus, The Wikia Editor, me, Greater good, DaenerysTheMadKhal58, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: I am really regretting the Netflix shows catching up 😂 The Wikia Editor wrote: I didn't know about the Hallowe'en possibility. In that case, it's definitely post-Snap. I suppose things could have calmed down enough by October-November for people to go about their business, although it's admittedly a stretch.

I'm curious how the MCU shows in general are going to deal with the 5-year Snap period. Are they all going to do a 5-year timeskip or are they actually going to aknowledge it and work it into the story, which sounds like a pretty good idea.

Runaways: Season 3 looks like it'll take place around January-February 2018, so at least there are no problems there. BEJT wrote: I just really, really struggle to use the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. excuse when it's just been about 4 or 5 months. We'll see how things play out soon enough.

I'm curious as well, but if you think about it, they have quite a while to deal with that after these two initial problems. With the Netflix shows cancelled and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. already encountering the problem, the only ongoing shows (the Ghost Rider, Helstrom etc. shows have a chance to start however they see fit) left to encounter the problem are Runaways and Cloak & Dagger. Runaways: Season 3 seems like it should still fit in post-Snap, and anything after that for either show I don't believe has been written yet. Marvelus wrote: The problem here is who they will put it into the mix. The only way to use the Snap in the shows is disappearing your cast. I already proposed my 💡 for Runaways. But the main key is how can you add a storyline that does not involve your characters at all. It would be weird. It has to be organic. It was part of the reason I was on the side of "The Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 5 finale will not show the Snap", that it doesn't make narrative sense internally for these shows as their own entities to have half the characters disappear since it is not the characters' problem to resolve. You lose half your cast for a while, only for things to then just be put back to normal without any of their input.

But you don't necessarily have to do the Snap to deal with the problem. You can just skip over the 5 years.

The problem is that the shows like to be set in present day and it seems to me like the people behind them wouldn't want to make the shift to 2023 even just because of that. It might seem like a small thing, but I genuinely think that's uncomfortable for them.

But more important is the skipping 5 years of story. It's very inconvenient for these shows to have to do that, and also to deal with the ageing problem since the main two shows we're talking about here involve teenagers who would look significantly different 5 years on. While I think a show like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., if it had been able to prepare, could have got a lot of mileage out of the 5-year jump and twisting that to their own creative means (like how they have done in the past with other MCU things, most obviously the Hydra twist), Cloak & Dagger and Runaways aren't so linked with the films, nor do they seem to feel as beholden to them.

I imagine the shows are going to get as much mileage as they feel they can out of the "It's before the Snap" excuse. It almost makes me hope that these shows get cancelled in like a year's time before they can catch up with the Snap and/or fall so far behind real time that you end up with more and more inevitable timeline problems. It's sad for that to be hoped for though just because of this problem. Hopefully they just manage to handle it and I don't have to kind-of-wish for cancellation.

And hopefully Ghost Rider is prepared by the time it starts - could take place a while before the Snap, could take place in present day and acknowledge things, or could start in 2023. But let's pray that they care enough to actually think about that and don't just go, "Well it's not particularly tied in to the films so it doesn't really matter."

Greater good wrote: This is one of the biggest problems with shared universes. There's less artistic freedom when you have to make your work fit together with everyone else's. Marvelus wrote: Marvelus wrote: One more to go.

Until the timeline goes to sh*t 😂😂 Eh there's no definitive point when that did happen or will happen, it's always been a mess. This is the latest iteration.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I guessed that JJ S3 would be post-snap, which I don't really have a problem with. I just have to assume that all discussion to the snap and things related to it happen off-screen. The bad thing to me is that there's probably going to be some interview where someone involved on the show (coughjephloebcough) will say it's before Infinity War. Oh I absolutely guessed it would be, just there was some hope for wiggle room to make it pre-Snap. I just find it very hard to believe only a few months later that when we follow these characters for 13 episodes, no one once mentions anything. It would explain what happened to Oscar though😂.

I find the lack of acknowledgement much more egregious than any inevitable Jeph Loeb comment. We know Loeb's comments can be ignored if necessary because Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. proved the point that this is not about the actual dates but just convenience.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Do you remember the link for that photo? I'm second guessing if we saw in that photo a camera crew filming her or if was just Ritter buying something for Halloween and we misinterpreted it. Marvelus wrote: I posted, several months ago. BEJT wrote: Pretty sure the picture was from around mid-September because I remember thinking "OK that must be from the show since it's like 6 weeks until Hallowe'en". Mrmichaelt wrote: Found it. Yeah, don't know. It might have been just her shopping between scenes? It's easy to guess this is Trish making her Hellcat costume but might have jumped the gun. Maybe it's just between scenes. Hopefully. The thought had crossed my mind, I just think that as mentioned above, the picture wasn't from Hallowe'en time.

Tying in with your comment about the costume, I'm not 100% sure what you're saying there and this might be what you were saying anyway, but maybe it's also just a shop for costumes, and the logo is basically saying "Costumes for all occasions: Hallowe'en - Fancy dress - ..." etc.. Fingers crossed, we'll see soon enough.

May 2018 would be ideal since it keeps the chronological order of the Netflix shows right to the end and is pre-Snap.

Also that photo's odd, are both her feet off the ground? Like she's jumping? Because it doesn't look like she's jumping otherwise.

Novels (additional)
About to post my notes for Ant-Man and the Wasp: The Heroes' Journey. Have also been reading Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War: The Cosmic Quest Volume One: Beginning, about a quarter through it, and it's set between Thor: Ragnarok and Avengers: Infinity War (further supporting a gap between those films).