Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-3095612-20190128051711

BEJT wrote: Yeah I joked with friends for a while about how everyone just assumes that because Fury has his eye, we will see how he loses it - because that's just the nature of prequel films, where every significant moment in a character's past happened to occur in the same week. But Samuel L. Jackson confirmed recently that we will see him lose his eye...So right now, without having the time to check, I couldn't tell you my thoughts on the whole Pierce thing...I don't see why Fury knowing Howard would have to be a lie, although I guess if he was still in a desk job 4 years after Howard died then maybe he didn't know Howard as well as he claims to in Iron Man 2.

CirUmeUela wrote: That is a good point. I was rewatching Winter Soldier yesterday and was wondering the same thing. I wonder when exactly Pierce promoted Fury and does he mean he promoted Fury to Director of SHIELD? What exactly was Pierce's position within SHIELD? I know that he was the secretary of the World Security Council, but was he secretary at the time he met Fury? It's all a little confusing and I'm not sure how it's all gonna fit together when Captain Marvel comes out.

Edit: I just checked the timeline pages and the Bogota incident where Fury saved Pierce's daughter isn't even on them, so it seems we don't have an estimated date for that on the wiki. I guess it was probably before the events of Captain Marvel and he was promoted to Director after Captain Marvel's events, or Pierce simply promoted him to a different position. Not sure how he was able to promote him, was he even a part of SHIELD? He said he worked for the "state department", whatever that means. I thought that photo was just a ceremony of Pierce recognizing Fury's efforts in Bogota. It seemed like after a couple years, when an agent starts getting into command positions, they get stationed in South America for a bit then back to the States. I always thought that Bogota was in the early 90s and as a result of his strategy and saving the people, he was promoted a little sooner than usual. And now with the new info from Captain Marvel, I see how that dovetails into him getting a position as threat assessment. Pierce was probably still Under Secretary at the State Department. I don't think Fury was made Director until the 2000s.

BEJT wrote: I think Pierce is sort of like a chairman/governor-type thing for S.H.I.E.L.D.. He's not an actual member but he oversees them, he had the same alpha clearance as Fury in The Winter Soldier. Yes, I don't think they ever stated when the World Security was founded (I guess after the Cold War ended based on the ethnicity of the council) but thanks to the AOS episode "The Things We Bury", in Whitehall's backstory scenes (stamped 44 years ago), we learned in 1989 that Pierce was 'Under Secretary' when it's stated he granted Whitehall medical parole. So that implies he was in the State Department in the #2 spot, Secretary being the top spot in the State Department.