Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180523171223

BEJT wrote:

I don't think the Monolith can be the key to the switching universes, because Fitz basically lived for 74 years (just frozen) and woke up in that future. As well as this, Robin feels the shift in the timeline due to the characters' actions on January 11, 2018, not before. I think less than being already existing alternate universes, it's branching timelines, technically creating infinite universes, but stemming from the same ones. The Big Bang was the one universe, and then over the history of the universe, every decision splits off into a new alternate universe. We are looking at two of those, stemming from the same one. Well, we can basically assume at this point that Robin can see multiple possible futures, with the most likely universe being most prevalent in her visions.

Fitz living to the future doesn't really contradict it, as he enters cryosleep in both timelines. The agents were sent to a future where the Earth was destroyed and encountered a version of Fitz who had remained in cryosleep for 74 years because his counterpart did not die in the Battle of Chicago.

We've basically seen three versions of Fitz: One who traveled to the present, survived to the lighthouse and fathered at least one daughter with Jemma. One who traveled to the present and died in the Battle of Chicago. And one who is still in cryosleep in present day (ostensibly "our" Fitz).

BEJT wrote:

Again though, they can't have, because Fitz never travelled in time. Technically speaking, the Fitz we see entering cryosleep is not strictly speaking the same one we see wake up in 2091. "Our" Fitz will be woken up in present day, whereas that Fitz spent 74 years in cryosleep.

BEJT wrote:

Ah, you mentioned the fire thing, yeah. That would make more sense, that Yo-Yo got to him as he was dying, because the implication really is that that was where they were set to die. It seems the most likely scenario, at least based on what we saw in the episode.

BEJT wrote:

Yo-Yo always gave the warning, because in the scenes in Past Life, she's talking about how she's just repeating everything she heard herself say when she was younger and encountered this version of herself. The reason we don't know when things split is because we don't know if/when Coulson took the Centipede serum in the original timeline. But I think by the time Daisy leaves the jet, the timeline has split. Things are still playing out pretty much the same because - wait, I just realised something - Coulson cannot have taken the Centipede serum yet at that point in the original timeline, because the shot of her leaving the jet is identical, she's angry at Coulson in the same way. But anyway, either the timeline split when Coulson slips the Centipede into her gauntlet just before, or he always did but this time she sees it. It would make more sense for it to be when Coulson slips the Centipede in, but then that would kind of make him more selfish in the original timeline. I don’t really like the idea that this was Coulson’s fault. It’s not in his character. Agh, I don’t know. Yeah, I agree Future Yo-Yo's dialogue and the footage of Daisy yelling at Coulson in the Quinjet being the same suggests that things were still the same up to that point. There are plenty of possibilities as to how things could have gone wrong.

BEJT wrote

Lol yeah. Maybe they think "Hey, the Avengers will deal with it." How wrong they are... Yeah. Although, looking back on the final scene, Daisy asks Mack "where to?" and we don't get to see his reply. So it's possible that they could have intended to fly to Wakanda to help.

Based on your calculations, there is no way that they could have gotten there in time.

BEJT wrote:

If I watched Dragon Ball I might know what you were talking about...😂 Yeah, that stuff can be complicating. The short version is that they similarly used the multiverse theory. At one point, the characters literally had a conversation along the lines of:

Why don't you just go back in time again to prevent [insert problem they're dealing with here] from happening?

Well, it would save the future of that world, but we would still be in trouble here.

BEJT wrote: Yeah, we're still in Earth-199999. But I think the answer is that the final resulting timeline will always be Earth-19999, once time is set. As Simmons makes clear at the end of the episode, the future is fluid. So I think, essentially, potential futures exist but only the final resulting cemented one is Earth-199999. The others become discarded alternates. Yeah, Earth-616 in the comics works exactly the same way. The timelines seen in Days of Future Past and Age of Apocalypse were designated Earth-811 and Earth-295 respectively after they were both prevented from ever happening.

BEJT wrote: Agreed on Earth-199999. I wonder where they got that designation from though. It's difficult to say how these designations are decided. Sometimes they're an in-joke, such as how Earth-1987 (an Earth where She-Hulk was still a member of the Fantastic Four) is a reference to the fact that 1987 is the last year in which She-Hulk was a member of their team.

Most of the time there doesn't really seem to be any real meaning to it. My best guess would be that "Earth-199999" is a easier to remember than "Earth-174928".