Thread:BEJT/@comment-26454055-20180527061022/@comment-26838855-20180528004800

CirUmeUela wrote: Hey BEJT, you've seen my timeline before. I'm mostly current with it except for waiting for timestamps and images for stuff that isn't released on DVD or Netlfix yet, like Infinity War and SHIELD season 5. I know I asked this before, but how current is the timeline for 2016-2018? I need to make sure all that is set in place before I put it together. Of course I've seen it! I love your timeline.

The wiki timeline's pretty solid now. Not everything has been written up onto the 2016, 2017, and 2018 pages yet, but I'll explain that.

CirUmeUela wrote: Is Doctor Strange moved and completed as far as estimates, starting in late 2015, etc.? Yeah, Doctor Strange is firmly placed. Corrected its placement a little while back, with strong dates from working through a lot of maths.

CirUmeUela wrote: - Is Civil War all in place, did something need to change for Black Panther and Civil War's Wakanda post credit scene? Also did something need to be rearranged for the Spider-Man signal post credit scene in relation to Homecoming? In other words, are the ending of Civil War, then Black Panther and Homecoming all arranged as they should be? Also are they arranged as they should be with the information we have from the Infinity War prelude comics? Yeah, they're all arranged. From the Siberia fight on, it's: 24th 25th 26th 28th 29th-July 7th Late July August Black Panther ' s Vienna mid-credits scene has to be months later, because the Vienna building has been rebuilt after the bombing in Civil War, to the point where it's identical to how it looked in that film (when I say "identical", I mean it - because it's literally the exact same establishing shot used in both films). I'm not clear though on when it should place, because I haven't yet found any resources to give me a sense of how long it would take to rebuild - if it's a month, a few months, a year? The scene should place pretty soon after it has been rebuilt though, with T'Challa presumably ready to open up Wakanda as soon as it's done. If I had to guess, very much approximately, I'd say late 2016, about 6 months after the bombing, about halfway between the ending of the film in August 2016 and the post-credits scene around April 2017. Speaking of which, the Black Panther post-credits scene takes place around April 2017, based on the fact that Shuri is about 80% done sorting Bucky's conditioning in the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, in February 2017, after about 7 months, so he probably woke up a bit under 2 months later, and this is a little after he's woken up, so roughly April 2017. Sorry, I haven't worked it out exactly yet.
 * Siberia fight.
 * MAoS 3,20.
 * Homecoming - Tony drops Peter home.
 * Civil War - Tony gets back to the New Avengers Facility. Helping Rhodey. The letter.
 * Civil War - Peter Parker post-credits scene.
 * MAoS 3,21 and 3,22 (excluding 3,22 "6 months later" epilogue).
 * Black Panther main events (up to Nakia and T'Challa kissing at the end, just before the Oakland ending).
 * Civil War - Bucky mid-credits scene.
 * Black Panther - Oakland ending.

I haven't checked your timeline that recently, sorry, so don't know if you include deleted scenes, but there's also some stuff with Peter's extended vlog from Homecoming. You can find how that slots in on the 2016 page. I don't think you include comics, at least at the moment, right? But if you do, there's also the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, which has adaptations of the Siberia fight, the aftermath, the Escape from the Raft, and a scene just before Civil War ' s mid-credits Wakanda scene.

CirUmeUela wrote: - I'm assuming 2017 is all good mostly. The only movie to take place then was Ragnarok, correct? The second half of Doctor Strange takes place in January 2017, and yeah, Thor: Ragnarok is October 2017. Ant-Man and the Wasp will likely join them in 2017 when that's released - it seems like it will probably be late 2017.

CirUmeUela wrote: - As for the TV shows, is Runaways, Defenders, JJ Season 2 and SHIELD season 4 all set as they should be? I'm assuming SHIELD season 5 is not done yet since it's more recent. The write-ups onto the actual pages are not done for The Defenders, Runaways, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, and Jessica Jones: Season 2. But when the write-ups aren't done, I put the events ("Attack on x", "Battle of Y", etc. - when I say "events", I don't mean like the description of everything that happens in the episodes, those are the "write-ups" that I refer to, I mean the literal "events" that get pages on the wiki) onto the pages as placeholders, and the notes with all the dates are here for ABC and Hulu, here for Netflix.

The only other things are that:
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4 and Jessica Jones: Season 2 do overlap, and while the dates have been worked out, I haven't had time to work out the timings for the episodes with things happening on the same day, so as to work out the exact scene-by-scene order.
 * The same goes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episode 13 - Principia, which takes place alongside the last few episodes of Runaways - again, I haven't worked out the timings yet.

CirUmeUela wrote: I know you said you were busy at the moment, which is fine, no rush. I just wanted to know the status of all this. And are you pretty confident with your placement of the end of SHIELD season 5 and Infinity War? I'm going to be holding off from my timeline with images and all that until I know this stuff is more set in place. Thanks for all your work on the timeline stuff. Maybe you still have a lot of calculations to do, which is fine. I can wait. Also I still don't quite get how you do your calculations. Could you direct me to where you explain your math again? Thanks XD I'm confident in how the timings work out for the order of scenes. If you look at the notes, I've done back-up timings for Infinity War, because there is one problem, and that's that there's a clock in one shot in the Scotland scenes, and it might possibly say 9:10, according to one user on The Comic Board - I couldn't catch the time when I saw it, and "other versions" I might have checked to find out are not clear enough to make out any clock hands. In that case, things will change a bit, with Infinity War ' s timings moving to the back-up timings.

Regarding the Infinity War notes I just linked - I have a few corrections to make to the second half of Infinity War, and I haven't written up my notes for Episodes 21 and 22 yet, but they take place during the second half of Infinity War, finishing just before the snap. I will be writing those notes up very soon, probably within the next couple of days.

I'm not hugely confident in the film taking place in January, but that doesn't matter too much. It definitely takes place in early 2018, and there's nothing else except Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the GotGV2 and Ragnarok credits scenes, and Infinity War going on in 2018 - all related to Infinity War ' s placement, and so relatively, everything is placed correctly, and the exact date doesn't really matter at the moment.

Which maths in particular? My maths for timings can be seen a bit in the Infinity War notes I linked, or, more complicated, the timings for the overlap of Runaways Episode 1 or 2, here. If you want my maths for broader placements - dates for things - my Doctor Strange work is a good one to check out, or Black Panther. You might notice the difference between the two - one is with "contradictory evidence", and one is with "non-contradictory evidence". The contradictory evidence stuff comes from when I was working out Phase One. There's a lot of contradictory evidence for the Phase One placements, and I wanted to weigh up the evidence mathematically - bearing in mind that dialogue, for example, is a lot more important than a producer's comment in an interview. While the blog is outdated and I'd change several of the values/improve the method, that blog is here, and I think it probably still gets the concept of my method across.

So, the values I assign to different types of evidence are weighted for placements with contradictory evidence to find the best possible evidence from the strongest evidence. However, when the calculations are not to find the best of different options, but instead simply placing something (like flashbacks, as with Black Panther or Inhumans), then crew comments and the like can be considered with more weight. For example, with Serinda Swan saying that Black Bolt and Medusa were 14 when they met - if you input the data with the "contradictory evidence" values, then this wouldn't come out as the case because of the actors' ages being pretty far apart, enough to suggest more than a year between the characters' ages. But there's no real reason to deny it - it's a comment that hasn't been contradicted, so why shouldn't it count? And so, when the evidence for the thing(s) I'm placing are not contradictory, a different, more level set of values is used.

There are discrepancies in the values I use between my different blog posts and things, because I'm still improving my system and finding the perfect values. In summer, I'll tidy up the presentation and the values across the board.

In summary though, these are the things you might want to consider from the last few years: 2015 2016 2017 2018
 * During the crossover portion of Daredevil: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 1, the timings have all been worked out and the bullet points of the two shows' scenes are all in perfect order. However, whenever episodes of Daredevil: Season 1, Jessica Jones: Season 1, or Luke Cage: Season 1 take place on the same day as scenes from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., those timings have not been worked out properly, so the exact order of the scenes on those days is only estimated.
 * The last few episodes of The Defenders have not been put onto the 2016 page yet (I need to check Marvelous' English in his write-up), but where they place is on the Netflix notes page I linked (here's the link again). The only thing they would overlap with is some May 9th scenes from Doctor Strange. I haven't done the exact timings for how the overlap fits, but the approximate timings for the May 2016 Doctor Strange scenes can be found here, if you want to use them to try to work out where in The Defenders they slot in.
 * The exact date of the Black Panther ending in Oakland has not yet been placed, but it's probably about a month later, around early August. The exact date of the Black Panther mid-credits scene has not been placed, for the reasons I've explained, to do with the rebuilding of the Vienna U.N. building.
 * Most of The Punisher has not been written up yet, but it runs pretty much uninterrupted in November-December 2016. The exact dates can be found on the Netflix notes page I linked, and the events (again, events events) have been put onto the 2016 page. The only overlap is with the "6 months later" scene from Ascension, which takes place on the same day as the finale of The Punisher. Again though, sorry, I haven't worked out the timings.
 * The exact date of the Black Panther post-credits scene has not been quite worked out yet, as explained.
 * For the days when scenes from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4 and Jessica Jones: Season 2 are both taking place, again, the timings for the exact order of the scenes has not been worked out, sorry.
 * Jessica Jones: Season 2 has not been written up yet, but the dates can be found on the Netflix notes page I linked, and the events have been put onto the 2017 page as placeholders.
 * The second half of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episode 5 - Rewind has not been put onto the 2017 page yet (I need to check Marvelous' English), but from Fitz's escape from prison to him going into cryogenic freeze is November 25-26, 2017. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 11-13 have not been written up yet, but the dates can be found on the ABC and Hulu notes page I linked (here's the link again), and the events have been put onto the 2017 page as placeholders. Episodes 11-12 are December 4-6, 2017, and then Episode 13 is late December.
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episode 13 - Principia takes place at the same time as the last few episodes of Runaways: Season 1, but again, the timings for the exact order of the scenes has not been worked out yet.
 * Most of Runaways: Season 1 has not been put onto the 2017 page yet (I need to check Marvelous' English on his write-ups), but the dates can be found on the ABC and Hulu notes page I linked, and the events have been put onto the 2017 page as placeholders.
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 14-22 have not been written up yet, but the dates can be found on the ABC and Hulu notes page I linked, and the events have been put onto the 2018 page as placeholders.
 * While the scenes have not been written onto the 2018 page, the breakdowns for Episodes 14-20 and Avengers: Infinity War, including timings from Episode 16 onwards, can be found on the ABC and Hulu notes page. In the next couple of days, some slight corrections will be made to the Avengers: Infinity War notes and my Episode 21 and 22 notes will be added.
 * It should be noted that the timings of Avengers: Infinity War might be different to the ones currently calculated, depending on whether there is a visible time on the clock-face in Scotland when we get a HD version.

Sorry it's not all perfect, I wish I had the time to sort all these things out right now. In a month's time I'll have finished school and exams and will have a long summer of barely anything - I'll have so much free time, and I'll work through my massive to-do list for the wiki. I'll correct things like this, and if I correct anything that I think you might want to know about, I'll be sure to let you know.