Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190522234327

Formatting (Master Tej)
Master Tej wrote: (Putting this message from BEJT in quotations because I don't actually know the correct formatting for quoting somebody else, plz forgive I'm new to conversation threads like this). If you're on a device with a mouse, hover over the message you want to quote, and there should be a button labelled "quote". If you click that, it will take you down to the reply box and will now have the quote inside it, preceded by:

" [Insert Name Here] wrote:"

And followed by:

" "

Then just type under that. If you want to reply to multiple messages, you can quote a message, then select the text in the reply box and cut it, pasting it onto some temporary file or tab. Then go back, quote another message, cut that and paste it onto the same file under the first quote, etc. so you can reply to multiple.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6 (Master Tej, The Wikia Editor)
Master Tej wrote: The above is what I agree with. Half of all life disappearing means they lost somebody. Even with the overwhelmingly unlikely odds of the entire team in AoS surviving, there's still other factors to consider, like family - May's parents, Daisy's dad, Mack's brother or ex-wife, Davis' kid - all could have died, not to mention family or friends we don't know about.

To be sure, I'm not arguing that AoS takes place before IW. Like I said, the theory I posted previously was mainly something I posted so I could see it proved wrong. I know about as much about the timeline as the showrunners seem to - broad strokes that give me a decent idea but lead to mistakes without the smaller timeline details. So I'm not arguing for AoS being before IW, I'm just agreeing that this is maddeningly sloppy and careless by the AoS team - make no mistake, multiple people in S.H.I.E.L.D., whether main or side characters, lost somebody to the Snap. A year on, the world would still be in mourning and chaos. Look at the US with 9/11 - we still have moments of silence every year on the day of. The cleanup of the WTC site took 9 months. The Snap was an event that, to its fictional universe, was several times larger and more catastrophic. As we see in Endgame, the world still bears the scars of Thanos even 5 years on, and we should see the same in AoS.

I wish AoS had a larger following of fans to cause more of an uproar over this - maybe, at that point, they'd change their tune and at least overtly acknowledge the Snap, even if only in small ways. I actually think the showrunners (Jed, Mo, and Jeff) know a bit about the timeline, just in this case they've had to forego that. I also think that they actually sometimes use the wiki - just certain bits and pieces give me that impression - which makes me worry that the "73 years, 261 days" line is because of the previous March 2018 placement😕.

But I need to remember that it's not my responsibility to do their job. If they make a mistake because they relied on me, it's not my fault. I don't work for them, it's their choice to blindly trust the wiki if they do, same with that bad (unofficial) "official" timeline a few months ago (and usually I will be happy for people to blindly use the wiki, just sometimes there are mistakes left up that haven't been dealt with yet and/or there's a delay because the wiki says something when something is made but by the time it's out the wiki has changed).

I don't think it's sloppy or careless on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ' s part, I just think it's an unfortunate consequence of schedule worries and poor Marvel Studios-Television communication, just perhaps not handled as cautiously or carefully as it could have been.

The only justification I can give, and I don't think it's ideal at all, is that the world is scarred, just we only see the agents, a bar, a shop, a basketball court. Not wider scale stuff. It doesn't really fit, it just isn't absolutely 100% impossible with contradiction.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's fine if you like that idea. I personally am not fond of it, since the whole point of the MCU is that it all takes place within the same shared universe, rather than in seperate unrelated timelines.

All such a thing would end up accomplishing is basically provide additional ammo to all the naysayers who've been denying the canonicity of all the MCU shows to just further dismiss them all as being non-canon. Agreed on both counts.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I don't quite agree that the world would necessarily be in chaos 1 year after the snap. If anything, Endgame suggested that Earth was doing relatively well compared to other places in the universe. They had the Avengers to maintain order, they got confirmation of Thanos' death and the destruction of the Infinity Stones, meaning that, as far as they knew, their loved ones were gone forever, but at least there's no threat of similar decimations in the future.

The 9/11 comparison doesn't quite work because there really isn't any kind of fear of future attacks and the culprit is dead. The threat, for all intents and purposes, is over and done with.

Yes, people are going to mourn and have trouble adjusting, as seen with the people Captain America was talking to and, of course, the Avengers themselves. But we also see that businesses are running, people are still going to work and doing their jobs and kids are asking the Hulk for autographs. Life moved on, albeit slowly and reluctantly.

The agents, of all people, are the ones most likely to accept that there's no going back (as far as they know) and that the only choice is to move forward and try to protect those who remain. All good points that help just make it feel that tiny bit plausible.

Also I'm sure that they do commemorate anniversaries and things, but the 1-year anniversary would be weeks before Season 6.

November 2018 (Unofficial) "Official" Timeline (Master Tej, The Wikia Editor)
Master Tej wrote: Another quick question - I read somewhere that a recent official MCU guidebook published a full timeline that claimed some icky stuff, like Iron Man taking place in 2010 and Fury's Big Week in 2011 (to coincide with, I suspect, Fury's line in Avengers about the Puente Antiguo incident being "a year prior"). Is this something with which anybody is familiar?

- Master Tej - Oh, there we go, the timeline I just referred to. Yes, we're very much aware and had long conversations about it for weeks. A guidebook published an incorrect timeline but it was explained by articles that it is in fact not the official MCU timeline. It's an MCU timeline in a licensed book, but the people behind it don't have the authority.

I also, for reasons talked about long ago (when it happened), am fairly sure that it was unfortunately based off the wiki timeline when they started writing c. July 2017, post-Homecoming, pre-Phase One corrections, and with Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Infinity War then just guessed by them after the fact - getting 2 out of 3 of those wrong.

Luckily, the majority of the Internet has moved on/forgotten it/tossed it aside I think.

The Wikia Editor wrote: There are a lot of contradictory dates regarding the timeline from Iron Man to The Avengers. The User BEJT wrote a blog on the matter which calculated the most likely dates using all of the available evidence. I'm actually kind of embarrassed by that blog now because it was written almost 2 years ago and my processes have improved a fair amount😂. But it nonetheless gets the sentiment across, and thank you for linking it. I'll rewrite it much better one day, but the answer is fairly standout regardless, it's not urgent to rewrite it because the result will be the same.

Timeline Discussion (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Yes, you get notifications from forum threads through the envelope icon. OK cool. Sounds like we should probably do that for Part 13 then, thanks for the suggestion. Seems like there's no detriment to that.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (me, Marvelus)
BEJT wrote: Jessica Jones: Season 3 confirmed for June. Marvelus wrote: Probably June 14th. It really took so long I agree, since obviously my formulae gave May 24th as the expected date, so it should be closer to early June than late June - but with Black Mirror: Season 5 coming out on June 5th, I highly doubt that it would be June 7th. 14th seems logical.

The first teaser for The Punisher: Season 2 came 17 days before the season so when the first teaser picture coming on May 6th made me confident my result was about right for a c. May 24th release date. However, the date announcement teaser for The Punisher came out 15 days before the show (the closest to the release they've ever done it) so it became clear in the last couple of weeks that it would be a bit later than May 24th. Should be a date announcement in the next week or so.

I'm glad though that they're giving it a tiny bit more build-up than The Punisher: Season 2, which felt like Netflix saying, "Oh yeah anyway it's out in 2 weeks" like they just didn't care. I'm also glad that the show gets a kind of special place in the June 2019 releases video, like they do still care a bit.