Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20190106021540

Avengers: Infinity War Prelude/Captain Marvel Prelude (Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: I totally agree with the scenes you have put in December 2016 being placed in there, however, I am thinking that we should put some time jumps in between. Captain Marvel Prelude Scenes are set in November 2016, but the Infinity War Prelude ones are still months after the devents described, so we pick up on April 2017 and we have the Avengers on Syria and Stark building Mark L on 2017. There is no other way, and hat fits with Monts Later taking place on Spring 2018. Well that was the original plan: Captain Marvel Prelude Syria late 2016, Avengers: Infinity War Prelude Syria early 2017, until Mrmichaelt pointed out the through line from Avengers: Infinity War Prelude into Captain Marvel Prelude, which seems to be intentional, especially considering they released in that order.

Neither Will Corona Pilgrim nor Mark Basso have replied, unfortunately. I felt a bit bad about reaching out about something that is probably essentially pointing out their continuity error - I tried to word it in a nice way.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I thought we already concluded the artist(s) took liberties between the 2 issues to account for that kind of timeline issue. But hopefully WCP weighs in. I still think that's probably likely the case, but it's a lot of mistakes.

Marvelus wrote: I don't agree with you. The only thing both comis agree is to show The Avengers' life post Civil War. The scenes look very different to each other, not only in the suits they are wearing but also in the context of the scenes and what they are trying to accomplish. They look like two totally different missions and I am very sure they are.

Also the scene in the Captain Marvel prelude puts Hill visiting Stark "months before" the Decimation. When we have everything on table, we have to work it out.

This is my suggestion: (Still months later but it is not close to Fury's scene WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME LENIENCY) Months Later I think the context is similar, it's the art that doesn't match. They seem like the same mission but told by different people without referring to each other.
 * 2016
 * June 24th: Clash of the Avengers. Nick Fury and Maria Hill discuss what just happened. They got off the rid.
 * July 16th: Barnes is taken to Wakanda.
 * November 17th: Fury approaches the Secret Avengers on Syria.
 * It's months after the Avengers Civil War.
 * November 17th: Shuri tells her brother that she is 80% done with Barnes' healing condition. They talk about Captain America wherever he is.
 * Even though, it is implied to be following, we have Widow with her red hair, and is short, not long in the Captain Marvel Prelude. I suggest to assume that the Infinity War Prelude Scene is still months after the Civil War but it is not right after.
 * What I mean is that the "Months Later" pages suggest that it is Months later but are not relative close to each other.
 * December 2016: Barnes wakes up.
 * 2017:
 * April (Still months later but not exactly at the same time of Fury on Syria):
 * First days: The Avengers fight ISIS in Syria.
 * Stark begins the construction of the Mark L after ending the previous Marks.
 * Hill visits Stark by the end of April 2017.
 * Spring 2018: The Decimation.

If we were to go with Avengers: Infinity War Prelude Syria being early 2017, then the Shuri scene would also move to early 2017. They very strongly imply they're at the same time and there's no need to then keep the Shuri scene in late 2016. It would move, and then so would the Black Panther credits scenes.

Tony working on the Mark L is likely quite a bit later in 2017. No need to make it work as being both "months" after Civil War and "months" before Infinity War when it is only explicitly "months" before Infinity War.

The Punisher: Season 2 Teaser (Assassin1and2)
Assassin1and2 wrote: Sorry I must've missed it while scrolling, I see you had more luck transcribing the part above the signature I couldn't do it as much as I tried it was always too blury. Good job. It's always nice to get an actual date and have it line up. Thanks for the welcome, AoS off-season is keeping me of the wiki. I filled in the gaps using real presidential pardon images I found online.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Assassin1and2)
Assassin1and2 wrote: As for Jessica Jones being late 2018, wouldn't being post snap/decimation kinda mess up the timeline assuming they reverse it (with Fury and Peter being alive in FFH). Likely not, because by the time it comes out in May/June, Endgame will have come out and presumably it will in some way mean that the Snap won't have to have an effect on Jessica Jones: Season 3.

Deadpooled123 Updates (Deadpooled123, Marvelus)
Deadpooled123 wrote: Can someone keep me up to date?

Just need confirmation dates for:

Thor Ragnarok, Luke Cage s2, Iron Fist s2, Ant Man & The Wasp, Infinity War, Cloak and Dagger s1, Runaways s2.

If anyone could redirect me please as the thread is now not minimal, it would be a great help! Thanks Marvelus wrote: Hi man! Now only is missing The Wikia Editor, I hope he is alright.


 * Thor: Ragnarok is placed as of now on November 2017. It might get moved a bit later once Avengers: Endgame and Spider-Man: Far From Home give us intel.


 * Luke Cage S2 is firmly placed from August to September 2017. We have canonical dates. So we are basically safe for that one.


 * Iron Fist S2 places itself on Early 2018, mostly January-February. However, once Daredevil S3 came up we realized that it had to be loced. Our expert and genious, BEJT, came up wit a way to put both seasons together. We have the teaser of Daredevil S3 in Iron Fist S2 E10 as a way to tie in both. Both happens concurrently at one point of Iron Fist S2. Which is now placed on October 2017. Along with Daredevil S3 which begins on May 2016, move on to June 30th 2016 wheb Murdock awakes, then we move to November 2016 where Murdock is visted by some orphans and April 2017 when Karen and Foggy meet up. Then on October 2017 the season begins and ends on November 3rd 2017.


 * Ant-Man and the Wasp is on hold. And will remain in that way. It is currently placed on March 2018. The same with Avengers: Infinity War and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 which have their dates unknown until Endgame and Far From Home make their way.


 * Cloak & Dahger S1 happens through February 2017 and ends on the first day of March. Exact dates have to be made but the episodes have already written waiting to be posted.

It's really not a big deal about making Iron Fist: Season 2/Daredevil: Season 3 work😂, honestly. Although that reminds me, it's probably worth mentioning if you look back that I've been still editing my Daredevil: Season 3 notes and Runaways: Season 2 notes. My Runaways: Season 2 notes are done - I'd be interested in some opinions about that Thursday/Wednesday issue. And at the bottom of Daredevil: Season 3 I'm explaining the thought process behind the decision. It should be finished soon, maybe I'll quote that section in a future message to let you guys know. Plus I found that the official Iron Fist: Season 2 synopsis confirms that Matt is still considered dead during the season (strongly implied in Iron Fist: Season 2 but never explicitly said).
 * Runaways S2 begins on December 26th 2017. Ten we move into January 2018 and move onwards. The season lasts over 4 weeks within the last days of January 2018.

Also I do still need to work out where that A Duel of Iron post-credits Daredevil scene fits into Season 3.

Just to clarify a couple of things that might not have been clear from Marvelus:
 * The main events of Iron Fist: Season 2 are October 2017. The main events of Daredevil: Season 3 are October-November 2017. There is an overlap, like with Daredevil: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 1. The main events of Iron Fist: Season 2 end between Daredevil: Season 3, Episodes 5 and 6.
 * Runaways: Season 2 doesn't exactly last 4 weeks within the last days of January 2018, that doesn't really make sense. It lasts about 4 weeks from start to finish, but mainly because of some significant time jumps in Episode 1. The main events of the season are mid-to-late January 2018.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Loced?

And Iron Fist s2 isn't confirmed? Looking forward to hearing about any changes. I think he meant "moved".

Iron Fist: Season 2 is pretty firm now. It's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 14-22/Ant-Man and the Wasp/Avengers: Infinity War that isn't set in stone because of some conflicts where Thor: Ragnarok and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would suggest these events are early 2018 but Ant-Man and the Wasp and to some degree Avengers: Infinity War suggest these events are June 2018.

Principia (additional)
OK, I've rewatched Principia now, twice. Sorry Marvelus, I just can't see any link to Hale. Here's all the dialogue that is in any way relevant: What this tells me is: So all we know is that Tony starting dealing with the Cybertek agents and Hale attacking the Principia both happened before Joseph Getty was dealt with by Tony - but they could have happened either way around: the Principia incident could have been shortly after Tony started dealing with the Cybertek agents, or it could have been up to almost 2 years prior to that.
 * Daisy: "Cybertek. The last time anyone saw Gravitonium in this timeline was at Cybertek's lab, which happens to be the same company that built Deathlok's leg." Mack: "Now we're talking." May: "Cybertek was dissolved. Quinn's vanished. Raina's dead. Gravitonium is still M.I.A.." Daisy: "Yeah, but we found the names of the scientists who worked under Ian Quinn, so..." [...] Daisy: "Okay. So, this is Quinn's Gravitonium guy, Dr. Joseph Getty." Coulson: "Also dead. We chased that lead." Daisy: "Right, but here's where it gets interesting all of Cybertek's scientists are now dead, within the past 2 years, and all of their death certificates were signed by one man: Murray Jacobson." Fitz: "What, so you think it's a cover-up? They're still alive?" Daisy: "Yeah, it smells like it."
 * Tony: "You guys ever hear of Project Paperclip?" Coulson: "Secret program to recruit Nazi scientists after World War II." Tony: "Yeah, and the exact same thing happened with Hydra. For those worthy of a second chance, it was my job to give them new identities, new lives. Erase the old ones."
 * Coulson: "I know Cybertek coerced a lot of people, but I'm still not sure how I feel about a bunch of their scientists getting clean slates and walking among us."
 * Getty: "What do you need to know?" Mack: "What happened to the Gravitonium?" Getty: "They put it on a cargo ship, the Principia, to transport it to a facility in the Pacific, but... never made it." Mack: "Why? What happened?" Getty: "It sank during a thunderstorm. If you want Gravitonium, you're gonna have to reach 5 miles down into the ocean to get it." Fitz: "We're looking in an area that they've already searched, there's nothing there. I expanded the search range 100 miles in every direction from the coordinates at which it last made contact. Bathymetric maps don't show anything, sonar doesn't pick up any deviations, so... maybe they were hijacked by pirates." Coulson: "He said it went down in a storm." Simmons: "Did you ever consider he might be lying? He was Hydra." Coulson: "Mack believes him. Keep looking."
 * Candice: "General Hale." Hale: "What is it?" Candice: "Some of the old Sleeper Mechs recently came back online." Hale: "Which ones?" Candice: "The ones you left on the Principia, in case anyone found them. We should have blown it out of the sky when we had the-" Hale: "No, it's too risky. We don't know enough about the Gravitonium, it could have responded like a nuclear reactor and set the ozone on fire." Candice: "Well now someone knows about it. Who?" Hale: "S.H.I.E.L.D.."

The only argument for 2018 here would be that it makes a bit more sense if Hale attacked the Principia after April 2016, when she essentially became the leader of Hydra after Malick and Fischer were killed. But she was still very active in Hydra before then, and the time since the attack on the Principia is referred to as "all these years" by Fitz (i.e. not just 1.7ish years), so it should be closer to January 2014.

That line also implies to me that Fitz knows it has been "all these years" because they are working on the knowledge that this was right after Season 1 - he's referring back to a time that he and the others remember very well, all those years ago. They are never told a date when the Principia sailed, they seem to just have the knowledge that it was years ago, it was right after Beginning of the End. I think the attack on the Principia was January 2014.

There was definitely a connection there to look into and I've definitely worked out more about the timeline of the past events in Principia through researching this, but with the monitor date and the dialogue and things implying it's very shortly after The Real Deal and the "tidings of comfort and joy" line and no other reason to go for 2018, I think December 17, 2017 is a go.

After watching Principia, I also thought I would just go on to rewatch The Devil Complex, now with the mindset of "3 months have passed since The Real Deal" to see just how awkward that really does feel, and I think I've rooted out some of the specific points that have made it feel wrong to even stretch it to 3 months: So, yeah, those are the things (in The Devil Complex at least, there might be a couple of other things in later episodes) that specifically give that strong impression of, "It's not been more than a few weeks since The Real Deal," but also, breaking them down, it's not the absolute end of the world to say 3 months passed, just really really pushing it. If 6 months has to happen though... again, look, it's not the end of the world with the timeline but I think you can see why, despite there being nothing explicitly showing/stating that it should only have been a short amount of time since their return, I hope you can see the specific things that strongly imply that/give that impression.
 * Fitz says in December 2017, "The, uh, the Gravitonium device that we used to seal the rift is barely strong enough. It's duct tape on the Hoover Dam. It's not gonna hold." Coulson asks, "How much time before the dam starts leaking?", and he says, "Well, uh, it's hard to calculate that precisely, but, based on the increased frequency of transit, electromagnetic waves, I'd say that our days were numbered." Yet it took 3 months after the temporary fix in The Real Deal for it to become a significant problem again. But hey, maybe like he says, it's unpredictable, or maybe Fitz has been repeatedly repatching it temporarily just to give them a bit more time.
 * In The Devil Complex, Mack says, "Your arms aren't fully healed yet. What you need is time." Yo-Yo: "My arms may not work, but my eyes do. At least let me sit in Control, keep an eye out for anomalies." Mack: "Maybe, but you have to allow yourself to heal. We'll handle the fighting for now." As well as this, Yo-Yo is still in her hospital-esque bed for a lot of the episode. This implies that Yo-Yo is still healing and still needs to be taken care of, although 3 months on is quite a long time for her to still be healing and needing to rest. But maybe Mack's just being overprotective, Simmons is being overly cautious, Yo-Yo's also struggling psychologically, and they also need to keep working with her to program the arms and don't want her to get going again until the arms are ready.
 * Deke's still a bit dazed in The Devil Complex about having worked out that Fitz and Simmons are his grandparents, but I can see him just mulling that over for a while.
 * Fitz says, "Well, I've temporarily plugged the dam, but it could burst at any minute, releasing more of these anomalies into the base." Again, that was a temporary plug in The Real Deal and the fact that he's worried it could burst at any minute means it's weird it's taken 3 months. But hey, again, maybe he's referring to having repeatedly plugged it temporarily.
 * Coulson says to Piper, "Good first stop on your redemption tour," so this is her first chance at redeeming herself. But that's fine, not much seems to have happened so there's no particular chance it would appear she could have had in the last 3 months - plus it probably took them a little while to begin to trust her again anyway.
 * Daisy asks Fitz, "Are you okay? Have you even slept?" Fitz responds, "During what possible period of time, Daisy?" This seems to imply that he hasn't been sleeping much in the days since they first plugged the rift, desperately trying to find a way to resolve it. But we know because of Principia and because of Yo-Yo's arm stumps that it's been at least a few weeks since The Real Deal at any rate so he can't literally be referring to having not slept since they got back, and has to really just be referring to recently, or even since he last spoke to her. So that's not really a problem because that has to be the case anyway.