Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20180726204404

The Wikia Editor wrote: I thought about how the state finals could have been referring to the end of the regular basketball season, which, in 2017, was on February 18. However, this didn't really work since they were obviously talking about the state championships.

Fortunately, we can assume that the festival seen in the trailer is Jazz Fest. What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras, because if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season a little later and the finals a bit earlier, we could instead use the exact real world dates for the end of the basketball season (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so later as they said. Then it might just make sense to have the state finals somewhere around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later.

But we'll see what happens with the festival. It's likely that they'll name whatever celebration it is (it was weird that they didn't in Iron Fist).

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, there is nothing that indicates that the ID was issued recently. At best, it indicates that Episode 8 occurs either before March 11 or otherwise on or after March 12. I was working on the assumption that the episode was in mid-March and took place the following Thursday after March 12.

However, it seems that we might be moving these events to mid-April, so it makes the ID less relevant. I guess it's not that much of an indication though, because it technically just means it could be any day of the year. It's a bit weird that the ID doesn't have a year on it though, because an ID with an expiration date that doesn't have a year is kind of pointless. Oh well.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, it definitely makes the firing rather unjustified. The best case scenario is that they re-hire Gunn and issue a public apology. The petition to get Disney to re-hire Gunn has already received 270.000 out of the required 300.000. With a bit of luck, this could get resolved. I don't think there's a certain number required, just the goal at any given time. They originally had lower goals, but every time they hit a goal, the goal increases. So for example, now they're at about 316,000 signatures and the goal is now 500,000.

I don't know that Disney will rehire him because they might think it will look like they're weak and indecisive, to reverse a decision after the public complain. And the firing was about them just caring how they're publicly perceived in the first place - I think that's the main thing they care about rather than Gunn's career, sadly.

But I hope he's involved in some capacity, even if it's just them using what he's already done - the script - and he has no further involvement from this point. But a fewpeople with more knowledge than me about this stuff seem to think there might be a chance... we'll see, who knows what's going on behind-the-scenes.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I don't really mind it when they refer to it as "The Incident", since it's pretty common for certain events to get some sort of local nickname that everyone within the community can recognize. I do agree, however, that it's a bit silly when they try to avoid naming any of the Avengers by name.

Although, they are getting a bit more comfortable with referencing them directly. Claire's mother outright talked about aliens and Captain America was referenced in Jessica Jones: Season 2 a lot more overtly than in Jessica Jones: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 1. Yeah I did really enjoy the direct discussion about Captain America in Jessica Jones: Season 2, even mentioning him fighting aliens - it felt like the Netflix shows kind of coming out of their shell a bit and becoming brave enough to reference the films more overtly. As well as that, there was the references to the Raft, which I also enjoyed, because sometimes it's almost like these Netflix shows exist in their own timeline (not literally, just in terms of how it feels) that just branched off from The Avengers and never properly reconverged with the films. So stringing us back in with references to Civil War was nice.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Assuming Episode 9 and 10 will take place during Jazz Fest, it would pretty much place those episodes in late April. Of course, we'll still have to determine whether or not a time skip (or multiple time skips) occured in between episodes. We'll see about the festival and if it's Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest or something else, but it's good to know about the possibility of Jazz Fest if they're vague about it.

Mrmichaelt wrote: That's probably it - a daily itinerary for the hospital staff. That was my thinking, yeah. Hopefully HD screencaps will come soon enough to know for sure.

Deadpooled123 wrote: October 5 2006 = Thursday, October 5 2007 = Friday, October 5 2008 = Sunday, October 5 2009 = Monday, October 5 2010 = Tuesday. The weather of October 2017 for New Orleans after researching seems to put October 5 (if 2017) as 83/73 Farenheit High/Low, no Precipitation, no Snow, the Average High/Low being 84/66 Farenheit which matches what was displayed in Episode 8 of Cloak and Dagger. The date on the screen is "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017, so as well as suggesting the date is October 5th, it also suggests that it's October 5, 2017 (though days of the week in the MCU are often inconsistent with the given year, so it's sort of indirect evidence for the year). But if it were October 5, 2017, then that would make the accident October 5, 2009.

But the October date doesn't match much and is very likely just the date of filming - not intended for the timeline placement. Unless something else backs it up, it will probably not work, it's just a shame that it's so blatant.

Sure, October works for weather (I mean, it's when they filmed it, so it would fit with the weather present), but it's not particularly significant weather for the timeline. And if you look here, the temperatures are very similar in New Orleans in October and March/April.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's pretty much agreed that the "October 5" date on the phone was just the date of filming. It doesn't match up with the basketball season or the festival seen in the trailer.

April 18 as the date of the explosion seems more likely, although that could also change depending on what we'll see in the remaining 2 episodes. The Wikia Editor wrote: The research is definitely appreciated, but like I said, October 5 doesn't match up with the other evidence, which points more towards March-April at this point. Hopefully, the remaining 2 episodes of this season will provide us with more accurate evidence. I should mention that a phone or laptop date being the date of filming doesn't make it completely irrelevant. It is still a date on a personal device within the universe, suggesting it is the in-universe date. They shouldn't just be discarded. The thing is, when I'm weighing up evidence such as dates on phones and things, there are two things to consider: Now, the thing is, the 2007 date and the October date are both very strong pieces of evidence in terms of out-of-universe intention, because they are so clearly shown, suggesting the viewer is meant to see them. But not only are they mutually incompatible, they both play a part in the much wider web of nonsense that is the Cloak & Dagger timeline.
 * In-universe possibility of error. In the MCU world, how likely is it that the date is incorrect? For example, there's a reasonable likelihood of someone's laptop being programmed with the wrong date - more likely than a newspaper printing the wrong date.
 * Out-of-universe possibility of error - makers' intention. This is more important when it comes to a fictional, contradictory timeline. The creators' choice to make a date very visible suggests it is intentional to be seen and thus used to establish the timeline. If the date is on a background and/or tiny prop, it is much more likely to have been a throwaway detail with not much thought put into it and therefore less reliable for establishing the timeline. This is why visibility does play a part in reliability - because it is directly correlated to intention.

They both have some in-universe possibility of error, perhaps with the wrong settings, but the October date being the date of filming removes some strength in the out-of-universe field. Because if the date wasn't the date of filming, then the makers' intention is clearly for that to be the date of the setting - it has been specifically reprogrammed to show that date. But when a date of filming shows up, the likelihood is that they just haven't bothered to think about the date, and so it weakens the piece of evidence, as the intention is lesser. That's why sometimes we bring into consideration when a date is more than likely just a filming date.

Deadpooled123 wrote: But if the phone states October 5 and then they talk about the anniversary of Billy Johnson, there’s in fact a time jump from February/March/April to October (2017).

I don’t believe Marvel could let a date turn out so bad like this where it contradicts the whole show without assessing it properly. There's no way there's a 6-month time jump in the show, that just doesn't work.

Honestly, I do believe Marvel could let a date turn out that badly. I wouldn't believe it for everything, but for this show? Yes. This show continues to create a nonsensical, contradictory timeline and the 2007 date we saw so blatantly before is also more than likely wrong. So I really wouldn't put too much emphasis on this October date. That said, I wouldn't completely discard it either.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Also!!!! Filming of Cloak and Dagger began on February 8 2017 to begin an 86 day period for the remainder of the season!! This has no involvement with October 5 2017 so thanks for your suggestion The Wikia Editor but Cloak and Dagger was NOT filmed in the month of October at all. If you believe otherwise, then this series has either made its own mistakes or we as a forum group have not observed the details correctly.


 * This leads the date October 5 being critical to the storyline of Cloak and Dagger’. BEJT - please take note of this****.

Also, for those that deny the MCU is interconnected as a whole, Disney chipped in $11.2 million of the total $42 million proving that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are still connected like always since Iron Man and when both became under the helm of Disney in 2009. No, the pilot filmed in February, and then Episodes 2-10 filmed July 24-November 2, 2017. Episode 8 would have filmed in October. I mentioned this before: BEJT wrote: I'm sure it was the filming date, especially since Episodes 2-10 filmed July-November, so October for the filming of Episode 8 is about right. Considering the laziness of their timeline props, I don't doubt they just showed the date on the phone. I just think it was so blatantly shown that it's hard to immediately discard, but as I was saying, I'm really hoping we can just throw it aside. It's not necessarily critical.

As for the connections between the studios, yeah, they're connected, definitely. But they're not the same thing, with one creative figure at the head of both, they are separate studios under the same umbrella who work together but also sometimes clash. Basically, it's not one universe run by one studio, and so things often don't quite gel or cross over as much as they might.

Deadpooled123 wrote: So if l am correct, Cloak and Dagger begins on February 2017 and ends around March 2018 placing Mardi Gras depicted in the trailer. The post credit scene, in this case, should show the Thanos snap rather than a tease for the 2nd season. No show in the MCU has needed to do a post credit scene unless the material deviates from the show’s main theme like Ant Man and The Wasp for example. All the teases for future seasons have happened as the show ends (Inhumans, AoS) but they only tease episodes to come in the same season. A large time jump makes sense, Roxxon are known to be dangerous whilst keeping secrets well protected. No the season doesn't span a whole 13 months, it just can't. Let's just see how things play out.

I really doubt the post-credits scene will address the snap. The shows do extra scenes at the end quite often (granted, most of the time it's not literally a post-credits scene, as in "after the credits", but to all intents and purposes they're like post-credits scenes), and they're just a little bit of intriguing/cliffhanger stuff to set up the next season.

I didn't think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would do the snap because of several things, such as: And Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ties in with the films much more than the other shows, so with them not doing it, I'm very sure Cloak & Dagger won't. I don't think we're going to see the snap effects in any TV shows, except perhaps Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6.
 * Infinity War ' s extreme secrecy in production and the likelihood they didn't give all the information, especially the ending, to the TV groups. The fact that it would have meant the TV cast and crew knew more about the ending of Infinity War than the cast and crew of the film itself, and months ahead of release, meaning it could leak out very easily.
 * The fact that they would have to have the exact fading effect and they can't just borrow it from Marvel Studios
 * The difficulty it would cause when Avengers 4 comes around.
 * The fact that in doing the snap, it sets up the shows to have a part in trying to resolve it - but they can't, that's for the film characters. So there's no direction to take that other than temporarily having half your cast missing. You can't have your heroes resolve it, you'd waste time with them panicking and then things would be sorted.

The post-credits scene will most likely be something like O'Reilly becoming Mayhem.