Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190619000945

Netflix Continuation (Nox23, ProBot1227, The Wikia Editor, LoreMaster22)
Nox23 wrote: I would absolutely love a Robbie Reyes, Frank Castle, and Fallon Grey team up with Wesley Snipes recurring. I get why both seasons of Punisher were realistic fiction (healing factors aside), but I really want to see Bernthal's Castle dealing with fantastical threats Don't want Wesley Snipes returning for the same reason I don't want any Fox actors playing their roles in the MCU. Really don't want any murky waters over retconning films as part of the MCU canon list.

ProBot1227 wrote: So the Punisher who kills you, goes to hell, and kills you again? "Hell" yeah. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, I'd like for them to become an official couple and have their daughter, Danielle Cage, like in the comics. Admittedly, them being apart for the time being was likely done so that they could have their individual series, rather than having them living together. The Wikia Editor wrote: It would be nice if they returned to the Netflix heroes at some point, if only to at least wrap up their storylines and tie up loose threads. It would absolutely be nice, I'm just not getting my hopes up.

LoreMaster22 wrote: Fnally somebody who speaks my language. Seeing them have children would be a nice next step (if the shows had continued, they might have even been able to work it in with Krysten Ritter's real life pregnancy for a Luke Cage: Season 3). It's a shame we'll likely never see it.

Marvelus' Message to Me (Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: I respectfully disagree, Alonso bothering to comment on a Marvel TV character in the movies is a "win-win" like @Mrmichaelt would say. And you cannot change my mind >:v

And the borrowed set it is a funny detail that makes it even connected even tho you don't consider it.

Btw, I have started to add pictures to the 2018 article. Thank you for doing the images. I'll check the captions soon.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Yep. It's nice that she acknowledged the TV, and it's a nice connection that they used the Quinjet set. All I'm saying is neither of those were Easter eggs planted in the film.

The Other Thing (The Wikia Editor, Mrmichaelt)
The Wikia Editor wrote: The only timeline-related things of note in Episode 5, aside from Sarge's age, is that Dr. Benson's husband died "two years ago" (i.e. in 2017) and the explanation for why Enoch's ship was attacked.

It's explained that the Chronicoms had been detecting disturbances within the fabric of reality for a couple of years, ranging from the sudden emergence of plagues, natural disasters and even the sudden destruction of entire planets. After their homeworld was destroyed, the Chronicoms believed that Enoch's interference with the course of history was at least partially at fault and attacked his ship in the hope of capturing and interrogating him and Fitz. Damn, my headcanon was the husband died in the Snap and that the reason he didn't give the cause of death was that there's an implicit understanding between survivors of everyone losing someone in the Snap.

As for the attacking the ship, does that mean that the attack on the ship definitely has to be after the split in the timeline?

Thank you for your notes.

Mrmichaelt wrote: No problem. If Sarge was born in 1919... that's uh, yeah. I don't even know where to start with speculating that. An AU version of Coulson's grandpa? Nah... They say he's pretty much genetically identical to Coulson. Who knows what's going on? Hope they don't drag the mystery out all season.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Given what's happened in the past couple years, I wonder if it will be connecting to times when an Infinity Stone was used, the Convergence, the First Snap, etc. or maybe more likely tied to this mystery big bad trying to cross over into this dimension. If what will be connecting to those times, the mystery over Sarge?

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Mrmichaelt, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelus, Nox23, LoreMaster22, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Don't want to spoil it but I've read towards the end, there's a 'confirmation' JJ S3 is also set after Luke Cage season 2. Thank you for being cautious. I've unfortunately had what I believe you're referring to, the appearance of a certain character, spoiled for me. I really don't like this 13-episodes-at-once release model, it's so stressful and punishes me for being sensible and prioritising other things in my life, having things spoiled within a couple of days. I've just been busy, and Episodes 1 and 2 also took way longer than expected with notes (if you look at the notes, you'll see why, the magazines in Episode 2 in particular I spent hours and hours researching - also turns out that like Chadwick Boseman, these include Gwyneth Paltrow, Daniel Bruhl, and Liv Tyler, as well as Peter Dinklage appearing as Tyrion on a pinball machine in Episode 1).

Will probably finish the season around Friday.

Mrmichaelt wrote: You're welcome. Hopefully it will be more clear and help if/when a screen grab of that game shows up. It's not really blurry, it's just very difficult to find out what the game is. I've also included a quote in my notes, but I think it's pretty hopeless to find out the exact game.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The "Mother's Day is 6 months away" line is pretty damning, but isn't Trish's new show basically infomercials? I thought those were filmed in advance and then rerun ad naseum? Maybe Mother's Day is six months after the proposed date for that episode of the infomercial?

I admit that's a reach since they seem to be answering live phone calls, but it's possible. Thank you for this. It does seem like a big stretch and yeah, the line sounds pretty damning, but thanks for the attempt.

I didn't know that line (which I still haven't got to) was from Trish's show.

Interestingly, as well as the spring line in Episode 2, if you look at Trish's emails in Episode 1 when Jessica is going through them, the latest is an offer email saying "It's spring!". So I don't know what's happening here. Certainly those first four episodes do point to Spring 2018, I'm not looking forward to hitting the point where it all goes wrong.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Hmm. Like was she recording an infomercial in advance during a break then switched back to that day's shows and answered live phone calls? Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: It's possible, but that seems pretty complicated. Marvelus wrote: Is someone else disappointed that the Arochos basically are taken out of the picture? I was worried after the trailer that they were completely disposed of, so my expectations over the Arochos were very low and thus I was pleased that Vido and Oscar do show up. That said, if it weren't for the trailer lowering my expectations, I would be very disappointed, as I discussed when the trailer came out. The show doesn't seem to feel that it can sustain Jessica improving between seasons and still give her a progression arc. They did something that really annoys me, the Newt and Hicks move. Other examples just off the top of my head include Henry Jones Sr. in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and Wheezy in Toy Story 3. When the whole goal or subject of an arc and/or happy ending of the last instalment is just dispensed of early on in the next one.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Yeah, pretty much. I guess they were too lazy to figure out another way for Erik to meet Jessica and yearn for redemption.

At the very least, I assumed Vido would stick around even if Oscar stayed off-screen. I was very excited to see Vido still around in Episode 1, and thought him making the new spleen was very sweet in Episode 3. Sad to hear we don't see much of him.

Maybe it was to do with actor availability, but still, it's annoying.

Mrmichaelt wrote: It was the white elephant in the room, but it's safe to say Jessica ultimately resisted a life with them, pushed them away between seasons and they left the apartment. I'd rather assume that rather than chalk it up to them being dusted. They do show up in the season. Oscar's in a scene in Episode 2 (a flashback set around late 2017/early 2018), and Vido's in Episode 1, with discussion about how he comes to Jessica when Oscar is arguing with Sonia.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: In episode 2, Oscar states it was because Jessica couldn't let him in. Which is surprising since they then proceeded to talk about her mom, which she doesn't discuss in this season with anyone except Trish.

Judging from context clues, Vido and Jessica are still close, Oscar and Jessica are still friends, Vido comes down and bugs Jessica whenever things get rough between Oscar and Sonia (Vido's mom) over the phone, and Oscar is now seeing someone new. Yeah exactly.

Mrmichaelt wrote: That works. But yeah, that does seem odd she would talk to him about her mom. Marvelus wrote: I understood that Jessica believed herself a bad material for Oscar and did not want to damage him. She felt herself as darkness and did not want to mess up with someone as good as Oscar. Also, I don't recall mentioning the Arochos moving from the building. They still live there. But were out of the picture during all the storyline hahah I took it as that she fell back into a more unhealthy lifestyle for a while and cut herself off from him and was essentially telling him that it's not him, it's her - he's a good man and she feels she's not good enough to deserve him or manage to have a healthy relationship. So yeah, partly about not messing him up, but also just a pretty depressed mental state with low self-esteem.

I think Mrmichaelt was just guessing, I don't believe he's watched the season.

Nox23 wrote: I knew Oscar and Jessica probably wouldn't stay a couple if the show was going to continue. That said, I was happy to see Vido in the first episode. Also glad he wasn't around the rest of the time because it's likely he'd have been targeted by Foolkiller as someone close to Jessica Aw man, he doesn't show up ever again after Episode 1? I love Vido :(

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: @Marvelus This is why I loved the choice of Mind-Wave as Jessica's new love interest. Since he physically cannot be around those who have genuine darkness in their heart, Jessica had to face up to the fact that she had a hero's heart.

@Nox23 Don't even get me started on how thankful I am that Video peaced out. I was sure that the traumatic loss mentioned in the synopsis was either Vido or Oscar. I also expected the traumatic loss to be early in the season, so I assumed they were referring to Jessica's spleen. Marvelus wrote: Edward, I never saw it like that. That is cool. Wow. I love this show writing. Very powerful. Still want Luke and Jessica :p

Btw, I edited your comment as BEJT has not seen it completely yet. I hope it does not bother you.

On the other hand, without spoiling, can someone explain me what that character decided at the end of the season? Did the character pick up the passport or decided to stay? The moment in Episode 4 where Erik explains that he doesn't have a headache around her, otherwise he wouldn't have stayed, was poignant with what Edward Zachary Sunrose is talking about - that she is being told she is, somewhat "objectively", a good person.

Thank you for editing the comment. As mentioned above, I've just been unable really to progress for a couple of days. I'm back at it now.

Nox23 wrote: I absolutely loved the thematic significance of Erik's powerset to Jessicas character. It was also cool to finally find an Erik who spells their name with a K and isn't a villain, but I realized he was a minor villain in the comics. Also realized he's Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, so...there's that. Didn't know until Edward Zachary Sunrose mentioned it above and you mentioned it here that Erik was a comic character. The power seemed like the kind of thing the show could have made up.

LoreMaster22 wrote: He was also really good "In the Heart of the Sea" with Thor (Chris Hemsworth) and Spider-man (Tom Holland) Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: And yes, that character decided to stay. The ticket salesman was trying to give them the ticket, but that character didn't take it. Ignored them, actually.

Which kind of puts them in a rough spot due to... Y'know. Marvelus wrote: That is cool. Now the finale is more epic. That is character's development people.

Actually I don't know what you are talking xD. Due to the Snap or something related to the show? Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: And the rough spot is because this person is now jobless and homeless. Intrigued to find out what all of this is soon.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I loved JJ S3 but I'm also really sad because it's over and it didn't have a satisfying conclusion to the show (at least for me). In the end, I think The Punisher had the more conclusive ending, and Daredevil if you ignore the last scene with Poindexter.

I feel like it could be set in Spring 2018 if we really needeed it to be there, but otherwise Fall 2018 is probably where it'll go due to the Mother's Day line. Oh that's sad. I've only seen one review for the finale but they thought it was the best episode of the season and a great ending not only for Jessica Jones and Marvel Netflix in general - was hoping that everyone would feel that way.

I've mentioned before that I have issues with the way A New Napkin wraps up the season, but yeah, Lantom's funeral and the Nelson's Meats scene do serve well as endings to the show as a whole.

The Punisher does have a conclusive ending, and I would've loved it as well if it ended with the bus terminal. I just hate that final massacre scene and don't like that it's the ending to the show.

Marvelus wrote: Oh right. I just imagine the character returning and taking the job back xD. Hilarious.

I think S3 wrapped out all the storylines perfectly. Such a grear character development. I could be Spring 2018, but everything points out to November 2018. The spring's mention were about clothes not the setting of the program.

Did you realize that Gilliam was a trans character? I never realized xD. No that spring mention was definitely about the time. They were saying that it's currently spring but there's weird weather for spring, and then Trish also says that the divorced woman should look for a fresh start coinciding with the fact that it's currently spring.

There is also, as mentioned above, the email in Episode 1 saying it's currently spring.

As for Gillian, yes, I guessed. Wasn't 100% sure but thought she might be. First trans proper character (Sister Boy is a tiny role), the MCU is making steps towards representation.
 * First black-led MCU film with Black Panther (and a large majority black cast).
 * First female-led MCU film with Captain Marvel.
 * First Asian-led MCU film coming up with Shang-Chi.
 * First openly gay character in an MCU film with Joe Russo (as well as the LGBT characters elsewhere in the universe: Justin Hammer (revealed outside of film; and his boyfriend), Piper, Jeri Hogarth, Pam, Wendy Ross-Hogarth, Joey Gutierrez (and his boyfriend), Sister Boy, Inez Green, Valkyrie (not portrayed in film), Karolina Dean, Nico Minoru, possibly Jimmy Woo, David Schultz, Kith Lyonne).
 * As well as PoC leads on TV (Daisy Johnson, Melinda May, Luke Cage and co., Colleen Wing, Alex Wilder, Gert Yorkes, Nico Minoru, Tyrone Johnson).

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I suspected she was in episode 1, but then I scolded myself for assuming that a tall, broad-shouldered, husky-voiced, strong-jawed woman was trans, since those are harmful stereotypes to cis women who also meet those criteria.

Then I saw her actress doing an interview about how she's trans and so is Gillian and I was like "Shoot. I shouldn't have second-guessed myself."

My question is, is Berry trans? Because I definitely got that vibe from her as well. Exactly the same, didn't want to assume for sure for those reasons. If I had met the character of Berry yet, I would chime in over that, but I haven't.

Wow guys, posted my notes message because I thought the chat had calmed down. The chat is very active these days. Also another thing worth noting from the notes is that when Trish goes to Jeri in Episode 2, she looks at a file the guy by the elevator is carrying and the file says the man was born October 1981 and is 37, which would suggest after October 2018. But regardless, that scene is set around late 2017/early 2018 so it's a slight error anyway.

Editing Comments (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelus)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I don't mind the edit ;) I just didn't know other people could edit my comments. Marvelus wrote: I didn't know I could edit it either. Maybe is because it is on my wall, try to edit mine if you can. I am interested. Anyway, I insist my apology. Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: It's definitely because it's on your wall lol I can't edit. I had a look at editing comments posted to my wall but I can't. I think it might be a product of Marvelus' discussions moderator privileges.