Thread:Elledy92/@comment-26838855-20190425183005/@comment-25521424-20190426162809

BEJT wrote: Elledy92 wrote: I'm not really convinced. Those at the end are clearly '40/'50s cars, meaning he traveled back in time at least aproximately after he was frozen, and married Peggy instead of her new husband. Even if it's as early as 1947 (can't be earlier than that), that doesn't negate it being all one timeline. It could simply be that he is her mentioned husband, and they are not two different people.

Elledy92 wrote: About the slight alteration of the timeline: i agree with you that Steve Rogers most likely traveled back in time and fixed most of them, but the reason is not because those event would affect his present (that was not scientifically possibile, and Nebula 2014 and Thanos 2014 without affecting it confirm it), but only to safekeep those other realities. It more of a moral issues than a physic issue. No matter how gullible we could be, there is no way 2012 Steve Rogers whould not be affected by his 2023 self telling him that Bucky is alive, or 2012 HYDRA knowing early on that Rogers has knoewledge of HYDRA. Time cannot be erased, meaning there is still a continuum where Thanos and Nebula and their army disappeared in 2014 and never came back, proving that there the course of history has to be changed in some way. I think you've misunderstood what I said, because I agree - he fixed them all not because they would affect his present, because that's not possible, he did it to safekeep those other realities. I agree, there's no way 2012 and 2014 could've played out the same way. They did create branching timelines, they just nipped them in the bud.

Elledy92 wrote: "If I give up the Time Stone to help your reality I'm dooming my own." "With all due respect, alright, I - I'm not sure the science really supports that." "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones and that flow splits. Now this may benefit your reality, but my new one, not so much. In this new branch of reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world would be overrun, millions will suffer. So tell me doctor, can your science prevent all that?" "No... we can erase it. Because once we're done with the stones, we can return each one to its own timeline at the moment it was taken, so chronologically, in that reality, it never left."

This part is really important and i'm glad you pointed it out. What i'm more focused on is that, no matter what subject they are talking about, Banner and the Ancient One specifically talked of their own time periods as different realities. One cannot affect the other. So yeah, removing an Infinity Stones can affect the timeline of the Ancient One and create a possible a terrible future for their own, but returning back does not mean that the Ancient One's past reality will become Banner's future reality. They might have a similar course, but they are still separate, specifically because, according to the Ancient One, the flux of time is create by their own version of the Stones. I think what she means here is that she's assuming what they're doing is plucking stones from the timeline and branching the timeline so that things turn out better. Therefore, they would be in a different reality to the one she's set to be in. But Banner corrects her and explains that they are not shifting to a new branch reality but simply correcting this one.

KrishnaTheKing wrote: Also how did cap get a shield at the end? He didnt take one with him when he put everything back? Probably fixed between the battle and that moment, and he just picked it up.

Teen Titans Forever! wrote: Every spoiler review I've seen say Loki teleporting with the Tesseract is a clear set up for the Loki series. I have to agree. I know, there'll be a lot of people saying that because if you don't spend a whole day working out the logistics like I did, you can certainly see how someone would think that. And I wouldn't be shocked if they do in fact use that as a launchpad for his show. Just if they do, unless they specifically address it, they would be breaking the rules they set up. But that's just assumption and for now, there is no need to try to work out how it could work because it may never happen.

Assassin1and2 wrote: Every friend of Peter's that is in FFH must have been snapped because those who didn't moved on, if Ned wasn't snapped he'd be in college by now, same with MJ, Flash, Betty. I guess Prof Harrington doesn't have to be but the students have to. Yeah exactly, unless the world was too devastated and schools stopped for a while so they're still on a similar level (the same though would require 5 years of no school...), or maybe the U.S. just decided that the school system would reset to how it would've been in 2018, so the unsnapped have to go back to where they were at.

MJLogan95 wrote: To discuss it further - yes, just like how Hawkeye's entire family snapped, the FFH kids must have all died, too. Cassie Lang aged in the five years. Ned Leeds did not. Therefore Ned was snapped, too.

I agree with Elledy. I know what the movie says, and what BEJT says, but it doesn't make sense. 2012 Steve being told Bucky is still alive? Sitwell having Cap say "Hail HYDRA" and the others all hearing it? That can't be in "our" timeline. It makes no sense, for that to be the same timeline, because then TWS can't happen if Steve was told by "Loki" that Bucky was alive, or if Sitwell and Rumlow had already heard Cap say "Hail HYDRA" to them two years prior.

Steve traveling back to the 1940s (the cars are all 40s) even though Peggy had a husband by 1953? So he grew old with her, but he's in the same timeline as the main one? The splinter blip theory doesn't hold up. Nebula kills her past self; it shouldn't work, despite the blip. Yet it does. Thanos & his past self. This movie is playing fast & loose with the time travel thing where it doesn't add up the way you say it does.

Either there's alternate realities or there aren't any. In both case, none of them work. If there's alternate realities/timelines, Old Steve couldn't have been in their timeline. If it isn't a different reality but it's really just all our timeline, the whole Bucky/HYDRA thing + Loki disappearing with the Tesseract cannot be simply erased; it happened Yeah, the snapped didn't age, but Ned might have aged 5 years, the actor is in his 20s. It seemed to me like he had been mourning Peter, but maybe not.

Also I agree MJLogan95, I'm literally saying that - it can't be "our" timeline. That's my whole thing, it's not "our" timeline. I corrected my initial message with the diagram. It doesn't fall back into our timeline, it's just a splinter that's cut off.

I did think the cars looked more '40s, but he could have just been the husband.

Nebula can just kill her past self because it's not her past self, it's a Nebula from Splinter 2014, not main 2014.

There ARE alternate realities, but they closed them all off. Steve's return to Peggy can't have opened a new reality though since he is around as an old man in 2023, it has to be the same one.

Yes, all that Time Heist stuff happened, just their timelines got cut off so it doesn't matter.

MJLogan95 wrote: Also, where did the shield at the end come from? Thanos broke the vibranium shield. Cap's shield is frozen in ice from 1945 to 2011, and he can't steal it from his younger self as his younger self would need it to keep the timeline intact. It would make more sense (to me) if it were an alternate reality, and then after Peggy's death, Old Steve made the jump back into the original timeline, bringing with him his shield & simply lying low until 2023, presenting himself the moment after his younger self time traveled.

Also also, if it's the same timeline as ours like you were saying, BEJT, that it cannot be changed & that all this time there have been 2 Cap's in our timeline, one frozen, one hidden, and then the frozen one dethawed while time traveling Cap remained hidden, living with Peggy... what, Cap didn't stop HYDRA? He didn't stop the Starks' assassination? Didn't stop Bucky from being brainwashed & tortured?

You give a lot of thought to the timeline that I greatly appreciate but that splinter blip thing doesn't hold up. I assume Black Panther just fixed the shield.

Yes, Cap didn't stop those events because he can't. He's in a predestined paradox, he couldn't if he tried - and he knows not to try.

It really does hold up. Not my first attempt, but the long message, it explains it all. But a predestination paradox can't co-exist with the possibily of changing the past. Its not a rule that can be applied in some cases and not applied in other.