Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180715022628

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I haven't seen the movie, but I don't think that Infinity War and Ant Man and the Wasp take place on late June 2018. It just can't be. It contradicts Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Thor: Ragnarok.

In that case, I will suggest to move Ragnarok to December 2017 so if we push Infinity War forward (I don't agree with the January setting anymore) the "timejump" will not be too long. They said that the Spacesman was like 22 jumps from Asgard, so that suggets that it has been a couple of months (that ship moves very slowly).
 * Thor: Ragnarok --> December 2017. It just has to be. If we are moving somethings to not create more mistakes then Ragnarok has to move.
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five:
 * That December 6th date can be ignored. Those devices can be outdated knowing that the headquarters were abandoned for a while.
 * They refer to the team being dissapeared for months. They might hace returned on very late 2017. Mid December 2017 so when that Chronicom mentions the Asgardian being in the city (Thor) it has only been days.
 * Yo-yo recovers 10 weeks later. The maximum realistic placement. So the rest of the season takes place during February-march 2018. Which fits perfectly. 4 years since January 2014. 2 years since Civil War. 6 years since the Battle of New York and other events.
 * Now, we can insert a few more time jumps to have Agents of SHIELD Season Five finale around late March-early April 2018. But then there is the Coulson situation. Simmons says that he has been dying quickly (right?) so the maximum possible is to have Agents of SHIELD on February-march 2018
 * Avengers: Infinity War
 * Westher is fine. The weather in the MCU is weird. Really weird but the January placement is not possible anymore.
 * Runaways Season 2: As we know, there will not be a time jump very big. So it allows Season 2 to take place on early 2018 where it is supposed to be.
 * Netflix Shows: It allows the next seasons to revolve without worries around 2018 if that is the case. Which sounds perfect to me.
 * Ant-Man and the Wasp:
 * Okay. So house arrest is two years after the deal and is about to come to an end. Right?
 * But... Lang must have had a lawyer that allowed to reduce the sentence. Two years under house arrest but TWO calendar years and a reduced sentence. So he can get freed around March 2018.
 * Avengers 4:
 * Set images suggest that Stark has aged very quickly. He looks older and tired. Stress and stuff can cause that. It apparently has been a few months. Possibly 2-3 months since the Snap.
 * Agents of SHIELD Season Six:
 * It has to feature the snap consequences. Like it or not. Depending on how much they have been travelling to recover Fitz and all that. Maximum 6 months, the show likes to say 6 months always.
 * Spider-Man: Far From Home.
 * Minutes after Avengers 4
 * Parker will be on summer vacation.
 * July 2018 placement.

=Timeline= Recovering all this, I suggest: Moving Ragnarok again was a given. I've honed the non-contradictory evidence weighting values now, so it would just be about adjusting the Infinity War dates in the calculations and seeing what comes out - it would move the film later, to November/December.
 * August-september 2017: Luke Cage Season 2
 * Winter 2017: Iron Fist Season 2 and Daredevil Season 3
 * Early December 2017: Thor: Ragnarok
 * Mid December 2017: The team returns. They heard of an Asgardian (Thor) being on the city.
 * Late December 2017: Runaways Season 1 Finale
 * Very Late December 2017: Coulson mentions what appears to be Christmas holidays.
 * Early 2018: Runaways Season 2 - Jessica Jones Season 3 - Punisher Season 2.
 * Late February 2018: Yo-yo's arms have healed. 4 years since S.H.I.E.L.D.'s fall on January 2014.
 * Early-mid March 2018: Ant-Man and the Wasp events. Scott reduced sentence of two years comes to an end. Two calendar years. 21 months since June 2016. Which works.
 * Mid-March 2018:
 * Battle of Chicago - Infinity War events.
 * Season 5 finale. Minutes later, the Snap takes place.
 * A few months later:
 * Avengers 4 events. Because of stress and stuff, Stark's appearance looks old.
 * Mid/late June 2018-July 2018:
 * Parker returns to Junior Year. He finishes it and is ready to get on Summer Vacation.
 * Rest of the year:
 * Netflix Shows.
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Six.

I don't think it's worth disregarding the "12-06-2017" for the sake of about 10 days. It should either just stand or be disregarded out of a need for it to be like a month or more later.

But yeah, Ragnarok could indeed be right before the December 4th return. The New York scenes could even be as late as December 3rd, with Ragnarok continuing through concurrently to the events of Episodes 11 and 12. But it'll probably end up a bit earlier than that.

February-March just about works for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - it really does feel like the furthest limit. And it's a compromise between the January vs. June dates.

Legal sentences don't operate on calendar years though, but it could be possible to assume some sort of reduced sentence. Is the only mention of "2 years" Jimmy Woo's line?: "... That was a violation of Article 16 Paragraph 3 of the Sokovia Accords. Now, as a part of his joint plea deal with Homeland Security and the German Government, he was allowed to return to the U.S. provided he serve 2 years under house arrest, followed by 3 years of probation, and avoid any unauthorised activities, technology, or contact with any former associates who were or currently are in violation of said Accords or any related statutes." If this is the only mention then we have a little bit of wiggle room because they don't specifically say he's done 2 years, just that he was sentenced to 2 years, and it is separately said that he is coming to the end of his house arrest now.

I have a relative who's a lawyer, albeit in the U.K., but I've written an email to her to see if she can help with some advice about how this stuff works.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Reading the update of your comment BEJT, I might say that this is my ranking for the Netflix shows:
 * 1. The Punisher Season One 10/10
 * 2. Daredevil Season One 9.5/10
 * 3. Luke Cage Season Two 9.5/10
 * 4. Jessica Jones Season One 9/10
 * 5. Daredevil Season Two 8/10
 * 6. Jessica Jones Season Two 7.5/10
 * 7. The Defenders 6/10
 * 8. Luke Cage Season One 5.5/10
 * 9. Iron Fist Season One 5/10

Interesting, bit of a shame that you didn't enjoy The Defenders too much, I thought that while flawed, it was a really enjoyable coming-together of the shows and great seeing the characters interact. And it's not hated-on or anything, but it gets a bit too much flak I feel for the Hand being forgettable - but I think it's still really solid.

I also think it's a bit of a shame that you don't like Luke Cage: Season 1 much. I think it's really solid, with a great vibe and a really slick and cool first half and a rockier but still good second half.

I thought you liked Iron Fist: Season 1 a bit more than that.

Again, glad Jessica Jones: Season 2 worked for you more than it did for me. The Alisa stuff just never clicked for me, sadly, which was very important for the second half of the season.

The Netflix shows get too much hate. Just today I've seen critics saying they "want to claw [their] eyes out" with these shows for how over-long they are, and that "everything they've made since Jessica Jones: Season 1 has been average at best". I get it, the 13 episodes is a bit of a problem - more with some of the seasons than with others - but if they're going to keep doing it, I think people need to accept it a bit more and get over it. Lately, seasons like The Punisher: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 2 I think have managed it much better. Sure, 10 would probably be more succinct, but honestly at this point breaking the "13 for all solo shows, 8 for The Defenders" rule would mess with my OCD anyway. I think if you watch the shows a bit slower, a bit more spaced out, they're more enjoyable.

I would give scores to the shows like you have, because it's more representative of the differences in quality than a mere ranking. However, unlike the films, where I can score them because I've spent plenty of time going over and over my rankings and scorings and because I'm just evaluating each one as a whole film, with TV shows I feel the need to individually score each episode and then average them, and I've only kind of got half-finished old spreadsheets where I started doing that. Also, the average score tends to come out lower than maybe is representative of my feelings about the show, because no TV show achieves its heights every single episode. For example, a film scoring a 9/10 would make it one of my favourite films, and is really hard. A TV show scoring a 9/10 is even harder because for one episode to score 9/10 is just as hard as it is for a film, and we could be talking dozens or even hundreds of episodes - thus, it becomes even harder to achieve an average score of a 9/10. So like my favourite shows ever are perhaps more likely to score closer to an 8/10.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I think the month of the registration sticker says "11", I might be wrong but that's what it looks like to me, so at least that checks out. I noticed D.W. mentioning Trump, but didn't notice him mentioning November 9th. Well, that's further evidence for 2017, good catch. You're right, on rewatch I noticed the "11", so right, it doesn't actually count for disproving 2018, oh well. It doesn't go against 2017 either.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Also the Dogs of Hell, who showed up in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 1 and later showed up in Daredevil: Season 2. Although that would also be considered a retroactive reference. No, that counts for what I was thinking about, good remembering! I was thinking of things that were first set up in a non-Netflix show that then later got referenced in a Netflix show - so St. Agnes' Orphanage, Creel, Roxxon, and the Dogs of Hell would count, and now O'Reilly. Yeah, I'd forgotten about the Dogs of Hell, thanks for the reminder.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Agreed, they did a great job with the actors. It should be noted that Pete is the one who shot Bushmaster in the "Two Years Later" flashback, so we know that it must have happened before April 1987.

As for Mariah and Cornell, the age gap was always strongly hinted at, such as her comment about changing his diapers as well as someone mistaking them for being aunt and nephew, a running gag they repeated in Season 2 with Shades. Yeah, so the "Mid-'80s" (shown on-screen as "Mid 80's" but that's bad grammar and I don't like it😂) flashback is no later than 1985. But to be honest, it might end up a bit more like 1984 or even late 1983, because Cornell is significantly younger than he is in Manifest in 1987. I'll see how the calculations work out.

The age gap always confused me because the over 21-year age gap between the adult actors, the mention of people assuming they were aunt and nephew, the changing diapers thing, and Cornell saying that even he was little Mariah was already flirting with Pete all suggested a wider age gap, but I got confused with the fact that in Manifest, while Cornell is 14, Mariah is said to be "studying". But it doesn't have to mean she's under 21, especially with the revelations about Tilda, she could just be taking some sort of later further education.

I also wanted to know the actress' age at the time of calculating the age gap, but it wasn't available. However, I had a bit of a trawl through social media last week and I found it - Megan Miller, young Mariah's actress in Season 1, was born March 4, 1986 (from here (fun fact, Elijah Boothe who played young Cornell actually commented on this post) and reaffirmed here). Also, the new actress who plays young Mariah in Season 2, Toree Alexandre, was born August 22, 1995 (here). So that will help my calculations.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, I suppose the milk cartons are too unreliable at the moment, we'll see how things go. As for Episode 6, I've seen it. Maybe you have as well, but I'll just mention that the oil rig explosion is explicitly and unambiguously referred to as being 8 years ago and a car is seen with a 2018 license plate. Yeah. Didn't catch the license plate, is it just a registration sticker or is it specifically a plate? If so, I didn't know plates could be significant for date evidence in America the way they are in the U.K., someone will have to explain that to me.

And, of course, with Episode 7 having now also aired - they also mention it being "8 years" multiple times. It's looking like maybe late 2008 and early 2017? Something like that.

The Wikia Editor wrote: He seems to have fixed the coding now. They mentioned that it's explicitly stated in the movie that Scott had only 3 days left on his two year house arrest. However, it was also stated in Infinity War that him and Hawkeye took a deal and the Infinity War Prelude shows that Scott took the deal shortly after escaping from the Raft.

As such, the likelyhood of his sentence being reduced by a couple of months in exchange for his cooperation is very much within the realm of possibility. Right, I'll probably dip back in soonish. And yeah, as I've mentioned, I'm emailing my relative to see if she knows anything that can help.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting that we reduce the gap between Episodes 13 and 14, I was simply saying that we also add a gap between Episodes 18 and 19 as well.

Episode 18 ends with them departing back to the Lighthouse. Episode 19 opens with everyone having evidently been back for at least a little while. Yo-Yo's arms have been fixed, Fitz and Simmons have been working on making the Zephyr spaceworthy, May has been checking up on Creel and talking to Tony Caine and Mack has been deliberately avoiding Yo-Yo. Time has obviously passed.

I also think that we really can't ignore Deke's broken arm. The way we currently have it, his arm gets broken on January 9th and it's healed completely the next day. To say that that's not possible would be an understatement. At minimum, it takes 4 weeks for such an injury to fully heal, and that's under optimal circumstances (i.e. reasonably minor break, immediate medical attention from professionals, plenty of rest, etc.).

Deke's circumstances were not optimal, so 4 weeks would actually be an incredibly optimistic estimate.

As you yourself once said, time gaps can sometimes be our friend, and in this case they seem like a necessity. We can assume that the agents kept themselves busy with their respective tasks for weeks or perhaps even months before they started arguing about what happened with Ruby. It's not ideal, but it's possible, which is good enough now that it's becoming necessary. OK, I'll definitely have to have another look at Deke's individual, personal timeline through those episodes. I'll have a skim through tomorrow. I passed it off before as being more to do with the fact that he didn't really break his arm but was shot in his arm and then had the operation. He wears a sling for a bit, and then loses it for the last few episodes, right?

I just felt that the strong implication of continuity from Episode 14 through to 22 overruled it because I just couldn't see any possible gap of more than a few hours between Episodes 18 and 19 because they really do act like it just happened.

But yeah, I'll have another look.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Like I said, it appears that they explicitly say 3 days. Yup, they do. I decided I had to go to an online version simply for the early Jimmy Woo scene to get the exact dialogue, and it also included the mention of the 3 days. So yeah, I've seen a couple of early minutes of the film.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, the body was taken out of a river, so it probably wasn't in the best condition when it was examined. At least we now have a concrete estimate around which we can construct the timeline, so that's good. On the other hand though, the body being in the river could mean that Pete had been dead for a little while. What should we go with, about 3 or 4 days?

The Wikia Editor wrote: I really enjoyed the season as well, although it did take a few episodes to really get going. I enjoyed Jessica Jones: Season 2 as well, although the reception has been a bit more mixed on that one.

The ending was unexpected and left me wondering where things would go from there, which is a good thing. It'd be pretty great to get a second season of Defenders in which we see how everyone has to deal with each other and everything that has happened in their respective shows. Yeah the ending was really interesting, and I got a very different interpretation out of it the second time.

Rosalie Carbone is set to show up in Daredevil: Season 3, so hopefully we'll at least get a little bit of a mention of what's going on in Harlem with Luke.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, like you said, we don't know the speed of the Sovereign and how far a "jump" is supposed to be. That said, moving Thor: Ragnarok to December 2017 can work. It's the Statesman, I think the Sovereign was another ship. But yeah, it could work if really necessary - probably closer to late November though I'd say. I'll just see what the calculations give.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I don't think that's necessary, at least not right now. It's the only explicit date we have and, as I've already mentioned, we could just add a couple of months between Episodes 18 and 19 in order to move the events of Infinity War to a later point. Yeah, as I said above, I agree. It's not worth ditching the 12-06-2017 for the sake of gaining a week or two I don't feel.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Sounds good, if also give Deke's recovery the same maximum time we can end up going even further. However, again, I think we can keep the December 6th date. Yeah as I was saying, definitely going to have another look at Deke's arm and his injury timeline.

The Wikia Editor wrote: From what I've read, Avengers 4 will take place several years after the end of Infinity War, which is why Tony has aged so much. There's rumours going around about that, based a bit on Tony's hair and on the teenage actress who will supposedly be playing Cassie Lang.

I had a look at the sample of the new Ant-Man and the Wasp: The Heroes' Journey book and it mentioned that Cassie was 10, and I've heard that Cassie is actually said to be 10 in the film. Since we know from Ant-Man that Cassie's birthday is July 20th (well, we know the scene is July 20th give or take a day or two maximum, but July 20th definitely seems to be the date), and since Ant-Man and the Wasp is definitely set between July 20, 2017 and July 19, 2018, we now have a date of birth for Cassie. She must turn 11 on July 20, 2018, meaning she was born July 20, 2007.

The supposed new actress Emma Fuhrmann was born September 2001, making her about 16y1m old at the middle of filming for Avengers 4 in October 2017. So that would suggest that, if the rumour is true, Avengers 4 is set c. August 2023 - basically, about 5 or so years after Infinity War.

I'm not sure though, because Ty Simpkins is supposedly back as Harley, which would suggest it's just present day, unless they try to make him look a few years older.

Also, a small note, I'm surprised with Cassie's date of birth. Abby Ryder Fortson was born March 2008, making her about 6y7m old at the middle of filming for Ant-Man in October 2014 - however this new date of birth would make Cassie actually just-turned-8 in the film. She was about 9y6m old at the middle of filming for Ant-Man and the Wasp in September 2017, but Cassie would be 10, coming up on 11. Usually child actors play characters slightly younger than them, or the same age at most - it's unusual for something like this to happen, where the character is over a year older than the child actress. But whatever, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, and it's always nice to get a solid date.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah... There is not going to be a timejump of YEAR between Infinity War and Avengers 4. Why? Peter got dusted, but some of his friends may have not and Parker will be having again his scholar year as usually.

Plus, the Avengers, the Earth's Mightiest Heroes, would have not found Thanos and they will have do nothing in months. Yeah. That sounds right.

Stark looks older, stress and not sleeping can do that. Believe me. But Ant-Man does not look older, neither does Captain America. And the Russos have alreadt talked about it months ago. Both movies are consecutive. Maximum months between them. But short enough to have Peter ready for July's vacations. It's possible though that it picks up years later and then later in the film they go back in time. But I don't know, I think people are probably overestimating the amount of time travel in the film (if there's even any). A lot of the discussion is kind of under the assumption that time will be reversed, but I'm hoping for something a bit more unexpected.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Adding more to my reasoning,ng, the Russos said that Banner has been the Hulk for TWO years by the time Infinity War takes place. If maths have to be useful. This would help to Infinity War calculations. Yeah, I mean it was mainly just a mistake, with them likely just thinking back to all the times we were told by Marvel last year that he'd been gone for 2 years. The statement was just a little bit helpful for justifying the January 2018 placement.

To be fair, I am more comfortable with Infinity War being later than January. It just works better for the film on its own. But, of course, sadly this is suggesting much later and it's causing problems for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - I would have loved for them to say in Ant-Man and the Wasp that he had like 3 months left, forcing us to place it in March and causing problems but not too many for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and securing Infinity War in a position that better fits its timeline references and weather.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's practically been confirmed at this point that there's going to be time travel shenanigans that will result in the snap never happening. Cassie has been recast with a teenage actress and some of the stuff I've read indicates that the movie will feature Tony and Pepper having a son named Morgan. If any of this is true, then the movie has to take place at least a couple of years after Infinity War, enough time that Cassie is a teenager, but not enough to significantly age the surviving heroes.

But, I fully admit that I could be wrong, maybe it's all just rumours made to deliberately keep the real plot a secret, we'll see. It's kind of unclear how much of the time travel discussion is rumours and how much of it is merely another case of people making assumptions so much that then because people heard it from someone else and they heard it from someone else in a Chinese whispers-like line, the discussion becomes "there are rumours" when, in fact they're actually aren't. This is happening more and more frequently, with people actually thinking things are confirmed when they're not. It wasn't until a month or two before Infinity War that we finally got an explicit confirmation from people at Marvel that there would be character deaths in Infinity War, but people had been saying it was "confirmed" for months and months, even a year or so before that. It was never confirmed that Ant-Man and the Wasp would be set before Infinity War, just very much assumed, but the story became that it has been "confirmed".

But, both of those examples did still turn out true. I don't know, time travel has to be involved in some capacity, right? Surely? But like I said, I'm hoping for some creativity and not just resorting to a "change the timeline" story, which I'm quite sick of in superhero series. Honestly, for me, the less time travel the better.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm not sure that would help, since that would mean that Infinity War takes place in 2017, two years after Banner became the Hulk in Age of Ultron.

I'm not sure what the source is, but if the Russos said that, then I'm pretty sure they just made a mistake, especially since they've also affirmed that Civil War happened two years before Infinity War. Yeah it's true they said it, I brought up in I think early May-ish when they mentioned it and we were deciding on the January placement. It's definitely a mistake, but was just a slight thing that happened to help a little bit in justifying a placement so early in 2018.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I think we will see multiple realities but NOT time travel. The Avengers 4 plot suggested it a while ago. The reality will be fragile and our heroes will discover that. Hmm, we'll see. The Reddit thing about alternate realities was debunked so don't let that stick in your brain when making Avengers 4 predictions, but yeah, the use of the word "reality" in the Avengers 4 synopsis was interesting. I'm excited that we don't know, though, to be honest. I'm not really one to make predictions and guesses about the plots of films ahead of time - I find it sets an expectation and then I'm more likely to feel a bit odd about the film if it doesn't fit the narrative I have in my head.

The Wikia Editor wrote: We'll see. It could go many ways. Time travel technically doesn't work in the Marvel universe anyway, so the point is kind of rendered moot I suppose. Yeah, true, although I sadly doubt they'll feel tied down by the rules of the universe that the TV shows have introduced. Heck, it's looking like the TV shows aren't even following each other's rules, because Runaways is going to have to deal with the whole potential earthquake future without the excuses of the white monolith and that kind of thing that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. introduced.

Bennyhef234 wrote: Hey everyone. I have a probably off main topic question that I need answered. So I was watching the Agent Carter show and the One Shot because I had never seen them. According to this wiki's Timeline, the one shot is set after the series. But when looking at the 1940's page and other pages, the one shot is set before. Peggy went to start SHIELD but Howard's stuff got stolen (season 1). So shouldn't it be changed on the timeline? There's probably an explanation for it, but I would like to know. The Wikia Editor wrote: There was a discussion about it on this thread, in which BEJT made a very convincing argument as to why the One-Shot most likely happened before the series. Thanks for linking that thread, The Wikia Editor. Yeah, the one-shot doesn't really fit either way, but it's canon and it has to be chosen one way or another, and it fits, relatively speaking, a lot better before the show.

The "Timeline" page is, admittedly, a constant frustration. It's locked for admins only to be able to edit, and is full of mistakes. It's got lots of minor mistakes as well as some major ones about the order of things, especially with the way the Netflix content is arranged in relation to everything else. I've actually started compiling a big list of the edits I feel should be made to the page. I've had plenty of discussions with Shabook about it, but to no avail. He's done a lot of great stuff and allowed a lot of things for our work, so no hard feelings or anything, but I really do disagree with his "real time until proven otherwise" policy and his feeling that the columns system doesn't suggest concurrence. But there's nothing we can do about it, and it stresses me out a lot. There's one comment from Michele Fazekas from the time Season 1 was coming out where she said that they sort of imagined the one-shot as the end of the series, and Shabook decides this is confirmation that the one-shot is set after the whole show. The show could have gone on for years and I think it would still be placed there on the Timeline page. I've tried, but it didn't get moved.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I have seen Ant-Man and the Wasp, very GOOD film, very fun. Totally love it. Such an entertainment. Okay lets see.

Yes, Scott is about to end his two years sentence of house arrest. But, as I explained before, those two years can be a reduced sentence. They mention that Scott made an agreement and that agreement was two years of house arrest and three years of conditional release.

The weather indicates a Spring placement. As I suggested, March 2018 would be fine. They still refer to Janet's disappearance as of 30 years ago, which means the incident was on very late 1987. So it is the beginning of the next year, it cannot be June-july 2018.

The movie mostly occurs around three days. I would say two weeks before Infinity War's aftermath. Because there is a kind of timejump during the final scenes of the movie.

Making my timeline suggestion: The "30 years" really doesn't have to be exact. Someone even right at the end of 2018 could easily refer to an event right at the beginning of 1987 as "30 years ago". The fact that 1987 is referred to as "30 years ago" shouldn't really have any bearing on the month in which Ant-Man and the Wasp takes place. It'll maybe just have a slight effect on the 1987 scenes being pulled a little bit later in the year, seeing as there's not much evidence for the exact dates of the 1987 events, so it will make a bit of a difference. I'll probably just do a quick non-contradictory past dates calculation for where exactly to place the 1987 stuff after I've seen the film.
 * 2017:
 * Early Decemebr 2017: Thor: Ragnarok
 * December 2017: The team returns. Yo-yo gets "double-Mistynized". Tiding and joy mention.
 * 2018:
 * Mid-february 2018: Ten weeks later, Yo-yo is fully recovered.
 * February 2018: I haven't seen the season but reading some comments I have noticed that they might a be a few timejumps in between so it works. Episode 15-18.
 * March - Ant-Man and the Wasp NON SPOILER suggestions.
 * Day One/Sunday: Opening scene, last day of the weekend. Playing games.
 * Day Two/Monday: Reunion. First Ghost events.
 * Day Three.
 * Day Four/Wednesday: In the woods. Chase. Final battle.
 * -TIME JUMP-
 * Unknown date: On the beach. Cinema time.
 * Thursday:
 * Battle of Chicago.
 * Season Five finale.
 * First post credit scene. Second post credit scene. (Some may think the second is not worthy but I found it creepy.

If the film ends on a Wednesday, then we're looking at the Thursday events of Infinity War being 1 or 8 or 15 or 22 days later (increasing in 7s). We'll want to minimise the gap though because we want Infinity War as early as possible.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Oh yeah, Cassie is Ten years old. She turned 8 on Ant-Man. So she was born on July 20th 2007.

June 2018 DON'T work.
 * 30 years mention since 1987.
 * 2 years since Ant-Man's post credit scene.
 * Two years since Civil War (2 calendar years).
 * Weather appears to be Spring, really early Spring so March setting.

I am pretty sure my timeline works mostly out and I think it would be worth to follow. Right, yeah, Cassie is 10. I'd heard that already I didn't know you were going to mention it as well.

When you say 2 years since the credits scene, is that still just from Evangeline's comment or are you saying that they actually say that in the film?

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yep, this looks good.

Since you mentioned not having seen Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, I figured that I might as well give a timeline that can work with the one you provided for Ant-Man and the Wasp.

The timeline currently looks like this:


 * 2017:
 * December 4, 2017: Episode 11, the agents return from the future and Yo-Yo loses her arms.
 * December 6, 2017: Episode 12, date shown on the monitor.
 * December 22, 2017: Episode 13, roughly halfway between the previous episode and the next one.


 * 2018:
 * January 6-10, 2018: Episodes 14-18, Yo-Yo recovers in just over 4 weeks, Deke's arm is broken in Episode 17, on January 9.
 * January 10-11, 2018: Episodes 19-22, occurs concurrently with Infinity War.

The timeline I'm proposing would look more like this:


 * 2017:
 * December 4, 2017: Episode 11, the agents return from the future and Yo-Yo loses her arms.
 * December 6, 2017: Episode 12, date shown on the monitor.
 * c. December 24 or 25, 2017: Episode 13, I at first placed it in January 8, roughly halfway between the previous episode and the next one, but then remembered that Coulson's line of "tidings of comfort and joy" was from this episode, placing it sometime before (or perhaps even during) Christmas.


 * 2018:
 * February 12-16, 2018: Episodes 14-18, Yo-Yo recovers after 10 weeks, Deke's arm is broken in Episode 17, on February 15.
 * March 14-15, 2018: Episodes 19-22, occurs concurrently with Infinity War. Deke's arm has healed after exactly 4 weeks.

The placement of Thor: Ragnarok will require some further discussion and calculations. If necessary, we can move Thor and Loki's visit to Earth to early December, perhaps December 2, about 2 days before the agents returned.

If we assume that it took Deke's arm exactly 10 weeks to heal, then it would place his recovery on April 26, which is a Thursday. Since we know Infinity War took place on Wednesday-Thursday, it would place the events of the season finale (and thus Infinity War) in April 25-26. Since his injury was treated by a non-professional under less than ideal circumstances, we could add another week to his recovery time, placing the season finale and Infinity War in May 2-3, putting his recovery time at exactly 11 weeks.

Also, rewatching Episode 17, the main injury Deke sustained (i.e. a bullet got stuck and he suffered blood loss) was to his shoulder. I found a general estimate that indicates that the general time that a healthy male ages 18-25 would need to wear a sling is about 3 months. Deke is slightly over that age range, but it shouldn't change things too much. Of course, this is an incredibly general estimate, fully dependent on a lot of factors regarding the patient. Definitely going to check out this Deke stuff. Yeah, he was shot, he didn't really break his arm, so there's perhaps a bit more leniency with the recovery time. But thanks for your research, I'll try and have a look at all the Deke stuff tomorrow.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I know some stuff like Deke's injury. But there is something else... Coulson is dying and doesn't have too much time since December 2017. March is the maximum we can place it.

April and May do not work because we ar egoing to have a timejump in order to have Spider-Man: Far From Home in July.

This week I will catch with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to help you guys. I wouldn't say the Coulson stuff is a huge problem, not as much as the problem of Episodes 12 and 14 being seemingly so close together. The whole idea of it is that they're not really sure how long he has left.

I don't really see what's wrong with April/May in relation to Spider-Man: Far from Home. Obviously, April/May has other problems, but yeah, April/May is before July, so what would be the problem?

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, to be fair, all that is said is that the deterioration of the tissue around Coulson's heart is progressing "at a rapid rate", no time estimate is ever given. If necessary, we can still push things a few months later.

As for Spider-Man: Far From Home, we still don't know yet whether or not the movie will feature some sort of timeskip at the beginning after starting of "minutes" after Avengers 4 ends.

In any case, March currently seems fine, so that's good.

Have fun watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the fifth season is pretty good. Yeah, I agree about Coulson and about Spider-Man: Far from Home.

March seems probably about right, but I don't really know what conclusions to draw yet. I've been thinking about it a lot and I've decided I'll wait until my relative replies to me before I start to put across my opinions on it, because honestly, I just don't know whether shortened sentences or that kind of thing are perfectly realistic or not at all.

Yeah, Season 5's pretty good. I found it a little disappointing at times if only because Season 4 was really good and this felt like a bit more of a return to Seasons 2 and 3-level quality, but it has some real highlights in it. The Talbot stuff I thought was a bit silly.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Thanks!! I will try to catch up quickly. Hopefully BEJT will give some of his thoughts soon about the March placement but it works pretty good. Yeah, as I've said, I don't really know what my thoughts are about it. I'd love for March to work, but yeah, I'm hoping my relative's response will help to guide my thoughts on what to do about the problem.

Zalarath wrote: Hi guys so i dont really contribute to the timeline but i have been working on a google spreadsheet for the chronological order that you guys post on this wikia. Its a work in progress and I am constantly editing it to keep up with your updates, and some of it may be wrong I'm not sure.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PgS8J_7YnN3lBxxLLKRKzolakeEZMms4BHLyGLK42F0/

I know watching the MCU like this would be incredibly difficult and all that but I like seeing how everything fits together in the grander scheme of things.

If you have any comments or corrections let me know! Awesome, man! I love watch orders. I'll try to have a look soonish and get back to you with any comments/corrections I would give.

Bussterj wrote: I have done the same but very very in-depth day by day even have the timecodes for most. From this, I have created my own TV Series with everything in order and an average of an hour per episode and a season per phase! This is obviously forever changing so its never done ha! I'm currently trying to fit in the JJ 2005 flashbacks.

I'll put a copy of mine up sometime once I've tidied it up a bit!

I do like yours as it looks way more simplified than mine I regret starting it sometimes! Ben 1,000,911 wrote: You should watch Ant-Man and the Wasp after Infinity War. I don't want to spoil too much (sorry for earlier) but the after credits scenes would work better. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah, I would really suggest to watch Season 5 before Infinity War and then watch Infinity War followed by Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel. It's an interesting one. The watch order I go by follows a rule for the order - whatever the time and date setting is of the midpoint of the film or episode is what the order goes by. And it works for me, it arranges it by the main events and produces a nice, factual order. I try not to let subjectivity sway it. However, my list is more for rewatch order than the order to first watch everything in. It's also why I'm not too worried about the fact that, for example, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episode 5 doesn't actually slot between Episodes 4 and 6 in the objective watch order, based on the maths of distributing the future-set episodes to give them present day contextual setting based on the percentage of their time in the future and all those calculations I did before. If someone were watching the MCU for the first time, I'd probably just recommend watching it in release order.

CirUmeUela wrote: To both Bussterj and Zalarath, I am also doing the same thing, but more like Bussterj with timecodes. Here is my timeline, currently in progress as well of course. When I started this, I intended to make a massive edit of all this. Now, I might just watch it in order like this without editing it all together, with some exceptions where edits will be required. But now I don't know if I will ever watch it all in this order, lol. It's at least a nice reference to have.

And BETJ, sorry you have to wait a month longer to see Ant Man and the Wasp. I'll just say it's a lot of fun.

Edit: Oops sorry guys, I did the link wrong. It should work now. Yeah I love these pieces of work and references that CirUmeUela and Bussterj have done, and they are indeed nice references to have.

Yeah, it sucks about waiting, but I've actually pretty much avoided spoilers so far, surprisingly. There's some stuff I think I might have stumbled upon, but I'm doing reasonably well. I'm looking forward to it, it does look a lot of fun from the trailers, and a good counterpoint to the heaviness of Infinity War.

My laptop's fixed, my to-do list is done, my priorities are set, my summer work has begun. I'm currently finishing off the exact final dates for all of Jessica Jones: Season 2, which should help CirUmeUela as well. Soon, I'll also be posting my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes and continuing to clean up/write up the 2018 Infinity War/Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 19-22 events, write up Black Panther, and resume going through my list of TV episodes that need write-ups (sort of in order of air date, it's a bit more complicated than that - but starting at finishing The Defenders). And plenty more to come.