Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180716103644

BEJT wrote: Like you say, I don't personally think that avoiding November is a necessity. I think the meaning of Feige's statement more just tells us, "Well, act as if the film has no release date. The timeline does not give regard to the release date." December works but the huge number of times we were told it's 2 years since Age of Ultron just makes me feel that November's a bit more comfortable.

I was sorting my weighting values for different kinds of non-contradictory evidence and I feel I got it pretty much right for Ragnarok. We'd kind of agreed that all the evidence we had at that time placed Ragnarok around the very end of October 2017, and with the updated values, the maths placed it there. So I feel like the values are correct now, and all that needs to be done is adjust where necessary and see where the maths would now place the film. It's pretty much unbiased - honestly, I don't know where the maths will place it, I would guess maybe late November-ish. I feel like using the maths values is basically doing what Feige said - purely analysing based on the evidence - and the current set of values have shown that they work, so using them again should also work. Yeah, sounds fine. I'm not really opposed to it, if late November works, then it works, so I'm fine with it.

BEJT wrote:

You're right, I should take a bit more perspective and look more at how, critically, most of these shows actually do get well-received. It's just that people I actually see discussing them so often seem tired and bored of them and annoyed at them not being good enough. Maybe the expectations were set too high in 2015. I think the bingeing model doesn't help either, because I know that at least personally, if I watch more than about 2 episodes in one sitting I start to get groggy and sluggish and tired with the shows. I'm kind of the opposite, I prefer to binge watch it in quick succession rather than having to wait. It especially helps with the timeline stuff here, since we don't have to wait several months in order for the season to finish.

I've also noticed that some people who complained about Netflix' binge watch model had a really weird notion of the shows' productions. When complaining about Iron Fist: Season 1, some people stated that the binge watch model was partially to blame, since it didn't allow the production to at least reshoot some of the later episodes to make them better before they aired.

As you yourself know, the production of a show typically ends months before it actually airs, and the notion that a weekly release schedule of the episodes would have allowed them to completely reshoot some of the later episodes is pretty ridiculous all things considered.

That's just a small handfull of people though, so it's not that big a deal.

BEJT wrote:

Yeah, Iron Fist became the punching bag of the MCU. Inhumans as well, but I think most people have let that go now because it's come and gone. Sadly, the character gave a bad first impression with his first season - I say "sadly" because I think he's more enjoyable in The Defenders: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 2. Sure, he's definitely my least favourite of the four Defenders, but he's alright now I feel. He's learning to be less annoying and more appreciative and it's more fun now that he's got people telling him how stupid he's being. Also he got rid of his ridiculous Season 1 haircut. In all honesty, I'm kind of looking forward to Iron Fist: Season 2 - at least, I'm interested. With the new showrunner, I'm hoping it might actually be alright, and I want to see how they deal with the mistakes they made in Season 1. I'm sure it will still take a bit of a critical beating, because I think people are kind of predisposed to dislike Danny now and getting back to him being the main character is sure to continue to annoy people - I don't know that anything Marvel TV can put together for Iron Fist: Season 2 will be enough to suddenly turn everyone around on the show. But if it's an improvement on Season 1 by a decent margin, I'll take it. The reception to how Danny was portrayed in Luke Cage: Season 2 has been pretty much overwhelmingly positive, so things are looking up for Iron Fist: Season 2 all things considered.

BEJT wrote:

I really didn't hate Season 1. I found him an annoying character with a lot of frustrating things about him but I didn't hate him. I liked (and still like) Colleen quite a lot, and I thought Ward became more interesting as the season progressed. Joy was reasonably interesting, Claire was pretty good though not at her best, and the production quality on these Netflix shows is at least always better than something like Inhumans. Some of the action was alright - more in Episodes 6 and 12 and a bit of 8 with Zhou Cheng, though it should have been better for a show about a character whose whole thing is being a martial arts expert. Still, the season was very dragged out and tedious and Danny was too arrogant and whiny for too long. I can't really say it was good. I didn't particularly hate it either. It had its moments and I hope that Season 2 will end more along the level of quality of the other shows.

I do think that it's unfortunate that Inhumans didn't get a second chance, since it could similarly have improved. Oh well, maybe a crossover with the S.H.I.E.L.D. team is still possible.

BEJT wrote:

The Punisher was received by audiences as a great return to form, but I think because he's not a Defender people have sort of forgotten that it's part of these Marvel Netflix releases, with the Defenders' shows coming to mind first. Critics were not so fond of The Punisher, with it being the second-worst received of the shows, but I think that was more for political reasons. Well, people would obviously have been aware of the connection due to Punisher's appearance in Daredevil: Season 2 and Karen's appearance in his own show. Some people were actually hoping he would show up in The Defenders, but that obviously didn't happen.

In general, people seemed to really like it, especially since it was a lot more down-to-Earth compared to what came immediately before.

BEJT wrote:

I always look forward to these Netflix shows. I think many people are a bit tired of them though, and I think watching them all in quick succession and the fact that they're coming out twice as fast as they used to both don't help. But they're generally well-received and I enjoy them, and I hope some people come around on them again a bit more. Like I said, generally still like them. In fact, one of the things that people liked about Luke Cage: Season 2 is that it actually made use of the fact that these characters now all know each other and had them team up for at least a short while, something that was lacking in Jessica Jones: Season 2.

BEJT wrote:

OK I think I found it in the episode. Is it a really small "18" in the bottom right corner of the "STANMAN" plate?

It's a good further piece of evidence, and thanks for checking the 2 years thing. I didn't know that number plates could give timeline evidence in the U.S., slightly concerned now that I've missed some stuff in the past. Or is it just for Louisiana? Yes, it's the "STANMAN" plate. As for U.S. plates in general, it seems to vary a bit from state to state. In Georgia, for example, car registration happens on an annual basis, with car owners having a 30 day period leading up to their birthday to renew their registration. And even then, certain counties have different rules, requiring people to renew their registration between January 1 and April 30.

BEJT wrote:

Right, I've had a really good look at the episodes now. So, Deke is shot in the shoulder in Episode 17. He wears the sling in Episodes 18, 19, and 20. Then for 21 and 22 it's gone, suggesting he's at least reasonably comfortable and healed now.

Episode 18 follows on immediately from Episode 17, and there's no possible gap during Episode 18. During Episode 19, we get the first reference to Infinity War, so there's no gaps after that - and there's no possible gap during Episode 19 either. So you're right, the only possible gap to allow healing time would be between Episodes 18 and 19.

This is everything I can find for the suggestion of how long it's been since the last episode: OK, so, it definitely can't just be one day. Thank you for pointing this out because I'd kind of overlooked it. All other evidence points to it really being absolutely no more than a day or two, but then this is so different in that it suggests a few weeks at least. I think the best possible compromise might be to use the "discharge from hospital" value given in the answer - 10-14 days - and the earliest from that, 10 days. He's already had 1 day, so that would put 9 days between Episodes 18 and 19. 9 days is really pushing it considering all the evidence suggesting it's right after the last episode, but is also really short for Deke. But I really don't think we can go any longer than 9 days, and yet with Deke's arm, I really don't think we can go any less than 9 days (10 days of healing). So a 9-day gap, meaning Deke takes his sling off after 10 days? It's far from ideal of course, but it's far from ideal either way. I'm glad you agree with me on the time gap, as for your observations, I do have a couple of things to add to it:
 * There is a strong implication that this is the team's first argument after Yo-Yo's actions, suggesting it's the same day.
 * Mack doesn't yet know how Hale escaped, suggesting it's the same day.
 * Coulson is talking to Daisy about her leadership, suggesting Daisy only very recently got back from England.
 * Fitz and Simmons have been working on Zephyr One, which could suggest anywhere between the same day and a few days.
 * Simmons refers to Fitz having a cracked rib following their encounter with Ruby, suggesting it's just happened, but it could have been a few days.
 * Coulson and May have changed their T-shirts but not jackets. Jemma and Mack have changed their tops. With Fitz it's hard to tell because he's wearing a pale shirt during Episode 18 but it's under a jacket and jumper so only the collar is visible, it's hard to tell if it's the same one in Episode 19. Daisy has changed but that means very little because she was in her gear beforehand. Deke seems to be in the same shirt, and Talbot's in the same clothes (but that is to be expected, he likely has very few). Yo-Yo's completely changed. I wouldn't put too much value in the fact that Fitz, Simmons, and Yo-Yo have changed, considering they'd have needed to anyway on returning, but since Mack and Coulson, who were only at the Lighthouse for Episode 18, have changed, that might suggest it's at least the next day.
 * I wouldn't imagine that the Remorath would wait long after Hale visited them to then attack.
 * Talbot has been thinking about his actions in Episode 18 and has just worked out what was going on, suggesting it was still very recent.
 * Deke has already had 1 day's healing time by the end of Episode 18. Now, the 3 months of wearing the sling is more for an ordinary citizen and is likely a generous, "just to be sure" passage of time. If we eliminate the comfort and risk-free elements of an ordinary life, then you get away with it being only a couple of months for a character in situations like this. He wouldn't want to wear the sling any longer than necessary, and wouldn't wear it for the extra "keep wearing it just in case you're not quite there yet" weeks. But that still leaves us with several weeks. Perhaps we can remove another chunk of time if we assume that he's not particularly healed up but removes it out of necessity - he's on painkillers and/or dealing with the pain, and is healed enough that he can deal with the pain of moving his arm a bit if it will allow him easier movement in life-threatening situations such as the ones he's in. So a few weeks then? Still too much though.
 * I agree that it's odd that the team would take a while to discuss Yo-Yo's actions, but it's possible that the intensity mission resulted in them not wanting to talk about it in the immediate aftermath following their return to the Lighthouse.
 * Mack not knowing how Hale escaped is also admittedly odd, but again, it's possible that he decided not to pry too deeply for details after seeing that they were all pretty stressed out following their return. He knew the important details (Yo-Yo killed Ruby and Hale escaped) and wouldn't necessarily have demanded further details right then and there.
 * Daisy has generally been trying to avoid having an immediate leadership role, so it's possible that she has been avoiding having further discussions with Coulson on the matter.
 * Similar to the progression of Coulson's illness, we never get an exact estimate as to how long Fitz and Simmons were working on the Zephyr. They also mentioned being nearly finished extracting residual traces of Gravitonium from the machine, and we similarly don't know how long that took them.
 * According to this site, broken or bruised ribs can take between 3 to 6 weeks to heal, so Simmons' comment about Deke's ribs could still be weeks after the fact.
 * The team probably has a limited wardrobe, given that they're wanted fugitives and all, so it's not out of the question that they would regularly alternate between a fairly small selection of clothing.
 * Similar to the Statesman, we don't know how far Qovas' ship was from Earth and how long it took them to get there. A few weeks or months isn't out of the question.
 * Talbot's mind was pretty damaged all things considered, it's impossible that he talked in circles for several weeks before getting his idea.
 * I agree that Deke would probably take the cast off a bit earlier than advised. That being, he did at least comfortable enough to run around without visibly being in pain, suggesting that he has at least decently healed up.

Again, I agree that it's not ideal, but it can still work if we assume that the agents deliberately decided to focus on their immediate tasks following the end of Episode 18 and didn't get around to talking about what happened until the start of Episode 19.