Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20181210035526

Captain Marvel Thoughts (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Ironically, while Avengers 4 is giving me anxiety attacks due to the possibility of it retconning any bit of the MCU as non-canon due to time travel, Captain Marvel's left me very satisfied due to the trailer seemingly describing Carol going through a combination of the Kree's version of T.A.H.I.T.I. and the same process that created Hive. CM might be the first movie to outright acknowledge the TV side. Continuity-wise, it looks good (that's not meant to sound like it doesn't look good quality-wise, I think it does). Also, if she has a prolonged lifespan due to being part-Kree, then that aligns with what was implied in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, because Taryan was about the same age in 2018 as his sons were in 2091, and I believe he said in 2018 that his sons were already born, and both of these imply Kree age at like a third, a quarter, or maybe even a fifth the speed of humans.

Imagine if some Kree come to Earth and you see Fury keep one for research purposes, setting up T.A.H.I.T.I.... I mean it won't happen but it would be such a cool nod.

The only thing I'm concerned about is that this trailer makes it clearer that the Kree will be involved not just with Carol's past but also in the main 1995 events, quite possibly with some of them coming to Earth, and if not, well, Carol herself is half-Kree and we know she comes to Earth and specifically talks about the Kree. So I'm just really hoping that somehow, Coulson never hears about the Kree.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Totes agree. The Kree blood, memory loss, memory fragments. All there. Could be Fury even gets the idea for GH 325 if he also learns what they did to Carol. Didn't consider the link when it comes to memory but possibly. I had previously assumed that shot of her upside down was the Kree wiping her memories (clearly they're not as benevolent as they say they are and have manipulated her, and there's a theory that the Skrull seen lifting a gun to her in the trailer is actually in a false memory implanted by the Kree of her crash meant to turn her against the Kree, because elsewhere in the trailers it appears that actually, the person present is a member of Starforce (presumably Jude Law)) or doing some sort of routine Winter Soldier-like memory-wiping update, but in this trailer you can see a Skrull next to her, so who knows what's going on.

Marvelus wrote: Hey guys, don't get me wrong, I will see those movies, but lately I have not been that kind of into the MCU because there are more important things happening. After all, is a hobby. :) Oh, that's a shame.

Trailers Coming Out (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus, CirUmeUela, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Homecoming was around the same date - December 8, 2016. This one's tied to the Sony panel at that convention in Brazil so maybe early Saturday morning for the U.S.? If anyone hasn't found out why it didn't drop, it was delayed. Apparently Sony got cold feet after the Avengers: Endgame (man, I keep instinctively saying "Avengers 4", have to get used to there being a title now) trailer got delayed, not wanting to be overshadowed. Tom Holland also said they wanted the CCXP attendees to get something exclusive for a while.

Like you say Mrmichaelt, the Homecoming trailer came this time 2 years ago. I had actually guessed months ago (before all the Endgame trailer build-up and me finding out about CCXP) that the Far from Home trailer would likely come the night of Thursday, December 6-Friday, December 7, as it matches as the closest Thursday-Friday night to the Thursday-Friday night the first Homecoming trailer came out on in 2016, and it is also a week before the release of Into the Spider-Verse, which they'd want to show the trailer before.

Didn't quite pan out, but I reckon that it might be that, just 1 week later. So they go on Kimmel or something this Thursday night (U.S. time) and the trailer drops around Friday 04:45 UTC like Homecoming, just in time for Into the Spider-Verse.

Marvelus wrote: Hey BEJT, you were right about the trailer. You are a genious! I take no credit for that, it's not me and doesn't make me a genius. The Monday night/Tuesday morning one was me putting together the clues about which night and doing personal research to calculate the time, though it ended up being Captain Marvel (although I did get it right otherwise). My Wednesday guess was based on the rumours of "Wednesday morning" and then the time I guessed was based on previous Wednesday morning U.S. time Disney trailer releases. And we can't know whether the time I guessed was right, because it got delayed.

Friday was purely based off the rumours. The only calculation I did was based on previous Disney Friday morning U.S. time trailers to guess the time, but all I found was that it lined up with the time that the rumours suggested: 9AM Eastern. The only research I did there was just affirming the time myself. And then the rumour turned out to be true, but both the rumour and my own research were an hour off - it dropped an hour earlier than expected (which was a bit annoying when I'd planned to be available at 2PM in case it dropped, not 1PM...)

CirUmeUela wrote: Yes! I can finally relax a little now that I know the title and have seen the trailer. Yeah, it was such a relief, frankly😂.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Guys, I'm so excited! Does anyone know if the Far From Home trailer will be made available after its comic-con debut in Brazil? Mrmichaelt wrote: 50:50, imo. Because with Homecoming, they only had a clip shown at CCXP on December 2 and the news outlets only had clip descriptions and Sony Brazil released only footage of audience reaction then the next week December 7, they debuted the trailer and international trailer via Jimmy Kimmel's show. If Sony is going to release the trailers online on Saturday, too, or wait until Kimmel the following week... we'll see. Exactly, Mrmichaelt's on my wavelength. Since it didn't end up coming on Saturday as reported, I agree, I think Kimmel this Thursday night U.S./Friday morning UTC is a good guess. I didn't know about CCXP last year, thanks, that also adds to our theory then.

All the Comforts of Home (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I was hoping the Running of the Bulls could be discounted as the bartender playing a video recording of the event from earlier that year in July kinda like where you're going with the soccer game I don't have time to check now but I'm fairly sure the problem was that it specifically said "live". I think I remember hearing about the moment before seeing the episode and thinking "Well maybe it's an old video" and then getting to it in the episode and going, "Oh, no... specifically "live"."

Marvelus wrote: I want to clear up that I started writting that information around August. Before a lot of things got decided so that is why my suggestion is very different to the things that have already been decided. So my notes are just more evidence for when "Avengers 4" and "Spider-Man: Far From Home" are released, so all the evidencegets mixed and the definitive Timeline placements are ready. ;)

About Thor: Ragnarok, yes man, I know you write your comments while you read them, not after you have read it all so I will only say that everything is suggestion and is a possibility to look into once all these events get a definite date.

BEJT wrote: "I don't know how you managed to make that weather channel out."

Well, hehe, I had time by them and as I watched the seasons as contributor and not as a fan, to help in here, I was more bussy looking into evidence than enjoying the shows xD. I have to rewatch them.

I didn't know those soccer teams were Argentinian, that is good to know! OK cool that works.

I only found out the teams were Argentinian because I looked them up. I certainly wouldn't know that sort of thing otherwise.

Marvelus wrote: I just give those dates in case we had to ignore the December 6th Date. OK cool. Although if we had to ignore the December 6th date it would likely be for a major movement and not just a few days, but yeah, they work as backups.

Principia (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I'll compare the two monitor scenes when I get a copy of the Season 5 Blu-ray set. Still on its way to me. But with the grabs I've seen, I see an "8". OK you agree that's probably an 8.

Any idea when you might get that Blu-ray? Not asking to pressure you in any way, just asking to see if it's worth waiting a few more weeks or however long to find out, or if we should make a change for now in the meantime.

Would also be interested if anyone else has an opinion on that monitor.

Avengers: Infinity War and Related Placements (Mrmichaelt, 64SuperNintendo, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I hope all it gets moved to is May. June fells like it's pushing it. Mrmichaelt wrote: But boy, wouldn't that really gum up all the thought and work you guys out into figuring out when the S.H.I.E.L.D. team returns to the present and the time skip(s) you guys thought of to link the last episodes up to Infinity War... I doesn't seem like they were fighting Hale as long as 6 months from December to June. Yeah, that's been the main problem since Ant-Man and the Wasp. Coulson's "months" line and the light snow in The Devil Complex would be acceptable problems if 6 months passing between The Real Deal and The Devil Complex made reasonable sense, but it just doesn't. Following the episodes, there's just no way that it took the rift 6 months to reopen with the way they are discussing it in the Devil Complex - like Fitz knew that their solution wasn't permanent and immediately continued his work to find a permanent solution because he knew it was rapidly reopening. As well as this, there's Yo-Yo's recuperation. There's the general sense of urgency across the second half and how baffling it would be if, despite their desperation to stop the end of the world, just nothing of significance happened except for Principia in 6 months. There's the fact that there's no way it should take Fitz and Simmons 5 or so months to sort those arms out for Yo-Yo. There's the fact that with Hale's drive right from All the Comforts of Home, there's no way it should have taken her a further 6 months to actually enact a plan. It just... it doesn't work.

But at the same time, Ant-Man and the Wasp does really suggest that it and Infinity War are 24 months on from Civil War. It's tough. That's why we compromised in the meantime.

Mrmichaelt wrote: You mean basically wait and see if Avengers 4 offers up any pertinent information? Well, "wait" isn't necessarily the best word. We've made a temporary decision based on the evidence we have now, we didn't wait. But in terms of being able to say "this is when Ant-Man and the Wasp and Infinity War are definitively set", yes, we have to wait. And yeah, I'm hoping we do get more information to make one placement more backed-up.

64SuperNintendo wrote: What if the trial/deliberations lasted until early August 2016, and that's when Scott's house arrest began, with the decision to halve his remaining time being made in early February 2018? That is a possible explanation for if we have to go with a date that isn't mid-to-late March or mid-to-late June with Ant-Man and the Wasp, yeah. Thanks.

Marvelus wrote: Now that you mention that all evidence rests on AMatW I just remembered that in episode 12, Ray asks Foggy Nelson if the 5 years of the sentence will be definitive, Foggy answers that it all depends on several factors like: good behaviour.

The MCU gives us an answer to another Timleine problem!!

P.S.: After DDS3 I really hate the FBI version in the MCU xD That's for a prison sentence, not house arrest. I've never been worried about whether prison sentences have a good behaviour clause, I'm fairly sure they usually do - it's house arrest where it's more murky and it might be possible that there is no good behaviour clause, as the house arrest itself is your motivation - you have been granted it and if you break it, your sentence goes back to being worse.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I seem to remember we discussed this before. Like someone or maybe it was me was still wondering if it could be October 2017 instead of 2018. Someone wondered that but it's highly unlikely. Every season of Netflix so far has been set after the last one (occasionally with some overlap but the seasons as a whole are chronological), and most Netflix seasons are set reasonably near their filming dates. Both of these facts would imply October 2018, not 2017.

It's not a problem though. Jessica Jones: Season 3 will likely be coming out around June, after Endgame.

Disney+ Shows (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Not really. I guess between the lines it seems like they want to make limited series about more and more characters than grant a second season because one gets really popular. Yeah that was what I assumed, and just the usual meaning of "miniseries". But then again, when the Netflix stuff started (to be fair, I didn't know much about Netflix back then) I had assumed they were all one-offs.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Maybe that's what the Russo Brothers were hinting at back in March 2016 with the One-Shots coming back in one form or another. I doubt it, I think these decisions were all made in the last year. But yeah, there's been rumblings about the one-shots returning - I think Tom Holland said something. But it's been a while, maybe they considered it but scrapped it again.

Avengers: Endgame Theories (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: That went hand in hand with the articles that claimed Avengers 4 takes place years ahead in the future with Tony having restarted SHIELD to do research on time travel and stuff. Interesting. Man, I really hope time travel is kept to a minimum.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Well, Thanos' Snap is 'unnatural' so it'd piss off those powerful cosmic entities out there like the Celestials. Or if the Snap dusted individuals guarding 'cosmic' prisons/barriers/gateways etc. (think the Swan in Lost), once they're gone - who knows what monstrosities could be able to cross over into the main MCU and wreck havoc. Yeah this whole "greater threat" thing is interesting but I think probably blown out of proportion. I can't see there being a literal greater threat than Thanos in this film that they suddenly introduce, it's too much for this film, and they just spent a whole film focusing on building Thanos.

Netflix Cancellations (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Me neither. I stopped talking about it with people because they keep repeating that hope that Hulu or FX/FXX will pick them up. I'll not give up entirely on Hulu, but I'm certainly not hopeful or relying on it.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Should be this one The Late Show clip She's great. I hope a lot of this cast have bigger careers after this. Jessica Henwick's doing Godzilla vs. Kong, I saw a trailer for a film where Mike Colter seems to be playing a big character - good luck to them all. Krysten I know has started writing as well.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Thanks! No need to thank me for sharing my thoughts😂.

Marvelus wrote: Guys, new intel says that the Avengers 4 trailer will come with the fourth season of Daredevil. :v Wait, but the trailer's out, so that means... *Rushes to Netflix excitedly to check.* *Nothing.* Noooo. Marvelus, I think your intel was wrong😟.

Marvelus wrote: Okay. Now I feel bad... He loved the role and he was so good. I wish him all the best and hope that he gets at least one more chance somewhere to play Matt again.

S.H.I.E.L.D.'s Second Downfall (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: No, in season 4, they pretty much got branded fugitives again then Talbot gets shot in the head - people think it's the real Daisy that did it. Oh right yeah. I hadn't thought of that because as soon as that happens, they're transported into the future, and then once they're back it's more Hydra who are after them than the government, so we didn't get to see too much of them dealing with that specifically in present-day. But yes, of course.

Prelude Comics (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I don't know if you have read it, but it gives vital information for timeline placements putting "Months later" between some events, so Infinity War must happen, maximum, during May 2018. We've been discussing it quite a bit in this thread. But no, we agreed it doesn't really give us information like that, because there can quite easily be a time jump inserted between Syria and Tony testing the Mark L. Syria is late 2016, and Tony's testing is late 2017.

Speaking of, I said I would go back and read the comments the way Mrmichaelt suggested, and I did - and thank you very much Mrmichaelt, because I think your theory is most likely true and what the writers intended, and I hadn't noticed.

Yes, I do think that the dialogue about them wanting to move fast to escape, but then saying that people arrived faster than expected, does flow. There are two problems, though. 1) Steve, Natasha, and Sam are in disguise in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, but are in their costumes in Captain Marvel Prelude. You could say that they just had it on under their disguises, and for whatever reason (though it wouldn't make much sense to do so) removed their disguises before leaving the building. However, you see Sam bending over in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude and he really doesn't seem to have any sort of bulge on his back where the wings should be. But hey, maybe he hid them ahead of time nearby and picked them up once they got ready to leave. The other problem is that the radioactive symbols on the box in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude and the box in Captain Marvel Prelude are different, with 2 on the lid and 1 on the side in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude but only just the 1 on the lid in Captain Marvel Prelude, and the box in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude is also more blue and has grooves and things, with the lid being only about one fifth or so of the actual box depth, but the lid in Captain Marvel Prelude being half the depth of the box and the box being completely plain without grooves or anything, and more brown. I guess though that you could say that they put the original box into a new box for further safety, or the new box had the weapon inside it inside the original box like Russian dolls, and they took out the smaller box to make it easier to carry. After all, Steve's able to carry it on his shoulder. While I'm sure Steve of course would be strong enough, it looks too large just practically for one person to carry and run in Avengers: Infinity War Prelude.

Ultimately, I think that these are just continuity errors from the artists, just like Steve suddenly wearing his uniform in the Raft. But with the way the dialogue flows, the fact that they're about to leave Syria in both, the fact that they fall around the same time in the timeline naturally, and the fact that Captain Marvel Prelude came out after so it would make sense for it to essentially be a sequel scene to the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude scene, I think that yes, you're right, and these scenes are joined in late 2016. Late 2016, "months later" after June (Captain Marvel Prelude)/July (Avengers: Infinity War Prelude 2016, but "it ain't even Christmas yet".

So, with that said, I've adjusted the calculations. I'm not going to bother laying it out neatly, but just, here:
 * July 16, 2016 + "months later". Absolute minimum, 2nd month after, September 1, 2016. Minimum possible, 2 months after, September 16, 2016. Minimum realistic, 3rd month after, October 1, 2016. Overall minimum, ([September 1, 2016]*1+[September 16, 2016]*2+[October 1, 2016]*4)/(1+2+4) = September 22.42857, 2016. Maximum realistic 9th month after, April 30, 2017. Maximum possible, 11 months after, June 16, 2017. Absolute maximum not yet in the realm of "2 years", December 31, 2017. Overall maximum, ([April 30, 2017]*4+[June 16, 2017]*2+[December 31, 2017]*1)/(4+2+1) = June 17.42857, 2017.
 * "Not even Christmas yet". Absolute earliest, January 1, 2016. Earliest possible, April 1, 2016. Earliest realistic, September 1, 2016. Overall earliest, ([January 1, 2016]*1+[April 1, 2016]*2+[September 1, 2016]*4)/(1+2+4) = June 14.428571, 2016. Latest realistic, December 18, 2016. Latest possible, December 23, 2016. Absolute latest, December 24, 2016. Overall latest, ([December 18, 2016]*4+[December 23, 2016]*2+[December 24, 2016]*1)/(4+2+1) = December 20.28571, 2016.
 * Non-contradictory adjustments: Latest "absolute earliest" = September 1, 2016, so no "earliest possible" earlier than this. Latest "earliest possible" = September 16, 2016, so no "earliest realistic" earlier than this. Earliest "latest possible" = December 23, 2016, so no "latest realistic" later than this. Earliest "absolute latest" = December 24, 2016, so no "latest possible" later than this.
 * July 16, 2016 + "months later". Absolute earliest, September 1, 2016. Earliest possible, September 16, 2016. Earliest realistic, October 1, 2016. Overall earliest, ([September 1, 2016]*1+[September 16, 2016]*2+[October 1, 2016]*4)/(1+2+4) = September 22.42857, 2016. Latest realistic adjusted to December 23, 2016. Latest possible adjusted to December 24, 2016. Absolute maximum, December 31, 2017. Overall maximum, ([December 23, 2016]*4+[December 24, 2016]*2+[December 31, 2017]*1)/(4+2+1) = February 14.57143, 2017. Halfway between overall minimum and overall maximum = ([September 22.42857, 2016]+[February 14.57143, 2017])/2 = December 4, 2016. Can't remember the weighting for comics but this is just double the other piece because it's specifically shown on the panel so just going to use 200 and 100 because the relative values are all that matters. So, [February 14.57143, 2017]-[September 22.42857, 2016] = 145.14286 days of leniency, 200/145.14286 = 1.37795.
 * "Not even Christmas yet". Absolute earliest, January 1, 2016. Earliest possible adjusted to September 1, 2016. Earliest realistic adjusted to September 16, 2016. Overall earliest, ([January 1, 2016]*1+[September 1, 2016]*2+[September 16, 2016]*4)/(1+2+4) = August 5.71429, 2016. Latest realistic, December 18, 2016. Latest possible, December 23, 2016. Absolute latest, December 24, 2016. Overall latest, ([December 18, 2016]*4+[December 23, 2016]*2+[December 24, 2016]*1)/(4+2+1) = December 20.28571, 2016. Halfway between overall minimum and overall maximum = ([August 5.71429, 2016]+[December 20.28571, 2016])/2 = October 13, 2016. So, [December 20.28571, 2016]-[August 5.71429, 2016] = 136.57142 days of leniency, 100/136.57142 = 0.73222.
 * ([December 4, 2016]*1.37795+[October 13, 2016]*0.73222)/(1.37795+0.73222) = November 16.95622, 2016. November 17, 2016 for Shuri and Syria in prelude comics.
 * Shuri would have begun work on Bucky at some point between July 8, 2016 and July 16, 2016, so around July 12, 2016, with Bucky going into the ice on July 16, 2016 and that helping her more - overall, it's basically like her project began on July 14, 2016 because those first 4 days were kind of half-days of work in terms of how much she could get done. Then in the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, on November 17, 2016, she's been working on him for about 126 days, and she's about 80% done. So, she would finish after around (126)*(100/80) = 157.5, 158 days, so a further 32 days later, December 19, 2016. So Bucky was likely woken around December 19, 2016, and the Black Panther post-credits scene is likely a further few days later, as the children seem to kind of know him and he seems to have basically just recuperated a bit after his cryo-sleep. So maybe 3 days later, overall, December 22, 2016 Black Panther post-credits scene.
 * Finally, the Black Panther mid-credits scene needs placing. The U.N. building has been completely fixed, so it should have been a while, but I don't know exactly how long that implies. However, the mid-credits scene should be somewhere between July 20, 2016 15:00 Eastern (12:00 California) and December 22, 2016 04:00 Eastern (12:00 Wakanda), around October 5, 2016 21:30 Eastern, which is 6th 03:30 Vienna - ultimately, closest Vienna day is October 6, 2016 12:00 Vienna, 04:00 Eastern. October 6, 2016 Black Panther mid-credits scene. I'll admit this does seem a bit soon after the bombing in June, but until I can find out more about how long this stuff takes, that's the best I can do. There is no other specific place it can go without some logic behind it at the moment.

Sending Work to People (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: Yes, Steve Fuenzalida is a fan of our work and after he read the entire intel that I put on the timeline article for Iron Man being in 2009, a lot of people understood it.

Have you ever thought sending this to the Russos? I am working with the admin to make a Excel timeline putting every TV show and movie in order and then post it. Everything following this timeline order, we can do the same and then sent it. Can't we?

"Rice with mango" xD, when he wrote that referred to the fact of mixing things that do not belong together and it is werid and stupid. He was saying the Timeline that was released a few weeks ago was stupid and nonsense.

Yes man, a lot of people love the hard work :) The top people are very hard to contact, unfortunately. I did some research last year after Homecoming, and it was really hard. Obviously, Erik Carroll supposedly read my Facebook message, but that was the best I feel I could do.

The "Official" Timeline (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: With the released timeline, that is not official, is a GOOD piece of evidence. And it was accepted by Marvel, right? So we have a lot of points to work into once the Official Timeline is released.


 * Iron Man is NOT in 2008. That is confirmed.
 * Fury's Big Week being in 2011: We know that some parts of those three films are set in 2011. So that is fine. I really love the 2011 article because it is like a transition to the 2012 Avengers event and everything works out.
 * Avengers in 2012.
 * Spider-Man: Homecoming in 2016. That + Russo's comment means that the 8 years tag is completely wrong. I really like that! So that timeline is not the WORST thing to happen. Is just another piece of evidence.
 * Black Panther in 2017, I think that the mid-credit scene should be on early 2017 as well, due to the Vienna centre being completely rebuilt.
 * Avengers: Infinity War in 2017, this does mean that is closer to Ragnarok and is just another evidence to add.

I have mixed feeling about this. I don't think we can pick and choose what counts as "confirmation" from this. If the general consensus it that it doesn't count as an official timeline, and hence doesn't count as "confirmation" for timeline-related things, then we can't really pick and choose things that we do want to count as "confirmation".
 * S.H.I.E.L.D.'s foundation on 1949. That is excellent!

However, I do think it counts as evidence, considering Marvel signed off on the book. And I will include it as such when I get around to my major project. But all its mistakes will thankfully just be greatly overruled. Your individual points:


 * It adds a little evidence to Iron Man not being 2008, sure, in that it adds a little evidence to Iron Man being 2010. But that's all it does for that.
 * Are any parts of the 3 Fury's Big Week films set in 2011? Not that I can think of. But also, if you have a look at the actual pages, it's not just "2011 - Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor", it's, "2011 - Loki turns against his brother, Thor, when his true parentage is revealed. Tony Stark takes an advisory role with S.H.I.E.L.D. and commits to the Avengers Initiative", that sort of thing throughout. Because my initial thought had been, "Well, if we do have to abide by this, at least Black Panther we can maybe write off as just them referring to the end of the film - we can't say "It's the credits scenes" because clearly that rule doesn't hold if they have Vol. 2 in 2014, but maybe we can say the Oakland stuff at the end was early 2017 and say they've placed these films based on when they end, which gets rid of one mistake," but no, it's actual descriptions of events. I thought you'd been a part of the discussions page thread on this, but I just checked and you weren't, sorry. I mentioned further up in this conversation about the actual pages, and also about what I think caused the decisions for this timeline. Have a look at the discussions page thread here) if you don't have time to read this conversation, it includes a link to have a look at some of the actual pages from this "timeline" and an explanation of what I genuinely think happened to cause this mess. Also, yes, I really like the 2011 page too for the same reasons.
 * Sure, it adds to the evidence for The Avengers being 2012, not a bad thing.
 * Again, sure, a little more evidence for Spider-Man: Homecoming in 2016, also not a bad thing. I agree that this timeline is not a disaster - when I was going over this as soon as the news came out, one of the things I was trying to reassure myself with was, "Well, if this really is the official timeline, while it's pretty wrong, considering the sort of official timeline I was worried they were going to release last year when Feige mentioned it - one that justified "8 years later" - I guess that we should be somewhat appreciative that this is significantly better than it could have been." But also, that said, a) I feel like we're kind of letting them off too easily because we've got Stockholm Syndrome from all of this - sure, I can understand film/TV disconnect, but when you have things like Bucky's board in the Smithsonian in Winter Soldier saying "Born in 1916..." at the top and then "1917-1944" at the bottom of literally the same prop, I think it's fair to call them somewhat lazy (that's not even getting into the fact that the "1944" is also wrong), and b) the only reason it's not a disaster is because, as you'll see in the discussion link, I'm fairly sure it's based on our (old) work...
 * As mentioned, unfortunately, it's not just "2017 - Black Panther", it's ""After the death of his father, T'Challa returns to Wakanda as king. But when Killmonger returns, he defeats T'Challa. T'Challa then returns for a rematch, and wins, once again becoming King of Wakanda." It also says it's after Doctor Strange and at least the beginning of Thor: Ragnarok. Also, until today, I had the Black Panther post-credits scene in early 2017, but now, as explained, it seems like it's more like the very end of 2016. Therefore, if the mid-credits scene is indeed much closer to the post-credits scene in December 2016 than the Oakland ending of the film in July 2016, then it would still only be late 2016, not early 2017. But I kind of agree, October feels too soon for the bombing damage to have been repaired. To be fair, it was only the side of the building that needed rebuilding, but 3.5 months does seem too fast. However, until I can find/someone else finds some evidence about how long it takes to rebuild such things, I'm going to at least temporarily just place it in October because it's the only specific date based on any logic at the moment.
 * Yes, it counts as evidence for Avengers: Infinity War being in 2017, and therefore when factored into the maths, it drags the overall result up to a tiny bit earlier, but that said, I wouldn't give this timeline much weighting at all in the timeline evidence, so I wouldn't say it would make much difference at all.
 * S.H.I.E.L.D.'s foundation in 1949 is indeed nice, and correct. But you know why? Again, it's because this is based on us😂. Have a read of the lower part of that discussion.

Avengers: Endgame Trailer Timeline Theories (Edward Zachary Sunrose, MrRLopez, Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Wow, we actually got a minimal time frame from just the trailer. I don't know how to spoiler tag on here, so...

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Tony says that his food/water supply was drained 4 days ago, and his oxygen will run out the next day. So there's at least 5 days between Infinity War and the start of Endgame. Since we know eventually Natasha will have long, flowing red hair, I expect a time jump after the first 30 minutes or so, even if it's just to 2-3 months later.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER I agree. A time jump or a montage or something will come at some point early on. I reckon most of the stuff in this trailer is just in the first 30 or so minutes of this film. Even then, some people have pointed out that the facility lawn is unkempt and the buildings are kind of dirty/grimy, so it might have been a little bit of time at that point (or that shot is actually from a later part of the film).

There's all sorts of time-related theories and rumours it's hard to know for sure what sort of gap we're talking. "It's immediately after" (well, we know at least some of it will be from this trailer with Tony), "It's about a year later" (based on how much Black Widow's hair has grown out - how much of the length is red, with the white tips left over from dyeing it up to Infinity War), "It's 5 years later" (individual rumours, matching with a 15-year-old rumoured to be cast as Cassie Lang, matching with Tony's hair in the set photos being greyer), "There's stuff 20 years later" (rumours that Katherine Langford will play Pepper and Tony's daughter 20 years on), as well as obviously the things about the past: revisiting the Battle of New York, some sort of past-set appearance of Crossbones, a reported appearance by Hela - evidence suggesting this is B.A.R.F. but also things that seem more than just B.A.R.F..

Something's going on with time/technology/dimensions/reality/whatever, but I've not even really bothered trying to work it out. I just don't think we know enough to even particularly try. I don't begrudge anyone who speculates for fun, though it annoys me when some people think because they've seen a couple of set photos from one scene that they know the secret truth of everything that will happen in this film.

As I have been saying throughout: minimal time travel would be preferable. If there is going to be some, I'm OK with it if it's inventive and not cliched, and so long as it's not the direct "change the timeline" solution to their problems.

MrRLopez wrote: At the end of Avengers Endgame trailer when Scott is at the Avengers facillity front door there is a date on the screen that says: "STRAT_ 1983: ARCHIVE" Does that mean  that Scott has travelled back in time and that's why Steve asks if it's an old footage? I was going to tell you, but CirUmeUela has done it for me: CirUmeUela wrote: It actually says "IS03"

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/a49o7m/high_quality_trailer_cleary_says_is03_not_1983/ Yes. It's IS03, not 1983. I actually saw that being debunked before I'd actually seen the original theory. Apparently IS03 is some sort of format or system for CCTV recording.

As for the "archive" thing, I think the theories are onto something there, but it's not necessarily much. I think there's definitely a chance that Natasha's line, "That's the front door" has been lifted from a different part of the scene, as you don't see her when it's said and it could have just been edited out of context. It's also possible that there's other trailer editing trickery in the scene. Saying, "That's the front door," is indeed a slightly weird way of saying, "That's live." But it could be anything, it could just be that he was there earlier that day while Steve and Natasha were out or something, or it could even just be that "archive" is part of a menu bar at the top, just meaning "click here for archives".

If it were that he ended up back in time and visited while it was still a Stark warehouse, and the footage got archived for years, it wouldn't be that he went back more than a few years considering the quality of the video. Certainly not 1983 (though since that's "IS03" there is absolutely no reason otherwise to assume it would be 1983).

I wonder if the "time vortex" thing might not even have anything to do with Scott's escape from the Quantum Realm, but rather just be a setup for the Quantum Realm having time vortices for a later point in the film.

Marvelus wrote: People is so obsessed with the Time Travel idea that they are imagine things Pretty much😂.

Mrmichaelt wrote: And "Archive" could have just been a recording option - like to archive the security feed.

Still, the implication is Scott drove the van from Frisco to upper NY - after a quick Google, which is supposedly possible in under 48 hours but up to 10 days on a more leisurely route. That's also an option for "archive", yeah. It could be anything.

I don't think that at that point in the film it's mere days since Infinity War, I do think that the stuff at the facility is a little while longer considering that establishing shot of the buildings and lawn - although, like I say, it is possible that shot is from a different part of the film.