Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26838855-20190803131136/@comment-26838855-20190917004751

Vote on the Two Problems (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelus, DaenerysTheMadKhal58, Mrmichaelt, CirUmeUela, Aricco, Ад12032016, Jazz2405)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I say stretch Runaways out. Yes, from what we see everything seems to be compressed, but that could just be chalked up to the hectic nature of their lives. I think stretching it out also gives us more leeway in case they decide to reference unseen events or show flashbacks from this time period during Season 3.

As for Jessica Jones, I would say go post-Snap with it and put it in November-December. We already have AoS 6 conclusively being post-Snap with no acknowledgement of it whatsoever, so trying to twist the timeline in order to preserve the sanctity of the Snap for Jessica Jones seems silly to me. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 1 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 0 : 1 autumn.

Marvelus wrote: Runaways S2, insert 5 days. The longer the better. As we might have some problems with S3 being set shortly after but present incongruencies due to the filming date.

Jessica Jones S3: April-May 2018. It follows the typical Netflix order and works with Spring 2018. It is clearly not intended to be post Snap. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 2 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 1 : 1 autumn.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I also think the 5 days should be inserted into Runaways S2, just because it's better to stretch the season as far as it can. It's 5 days less to account for if a time jump is needed.

With Jessica Jones S3, usually I'd say November-December, but since it's the last season of the Netflix shows, and that I think that if they ever brought these characters back in some way, they'd probably treat all Netflix seasons as being pre-Snap, I vote for April-May. Mother's Day line still bothers me, but I think it's for the best, for now. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 3 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 2 : 1 autumn.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Runaways S2: I also cast my vote for the 5 days. Fingers crossed for S3 being a slightly less a timeline mess.

Jessica S3L I also say April-May. I've been pretty adamant about the one line bothering me but sometimes an exception has to be made to ignore one line for the greater good of the timeline. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 4 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 3 : 1 autumn.

CirUmeUela wrote: Runaways S2, I agree with inserting 5 days. It's better to stretch things out and I think that works narratively.

Jessica Jones S3: April-May 2018. I know AoS Season 6 is post-snap I guess, but that doesn't mean Jessica Jones should be. It's iffy placing it there, but I think it's better than just assuming New York is exactly the same post-Snap. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 5 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 4 : 1 autumn.

Aricco wrote: Runaways; Add 5 days.

Jessica Jones; April-May, I believe it was an overexaggeration to point out it is not close to Mother's Day, rather than actually telling us what date it is. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 6 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 5 : 1 autumn.

Ад12032016 wrote: Runaways S2, I agree with inserting 5 days.

Jessica Jones S3: April-May 2018. Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 7 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 6 : 1 autumn.

Jazz2405 wrote: Runaways season 2 add 5 days and jessica jones april-may 2018 Runaways: Season 2, natural 0 : 8 stretch.

Jessica Jones: Season 3, spring 7 : 1 autumn. (0 votes for early 2018.)

Thank you for the input, everyone. It's clear what the results are. I had a feeling both would go those ways, but it was still good to get a proper vote, and I know I was only about 45 : 55 on the Runaways problem and exactly 50 : 50 on the Jessica Jones problem.

Particular thanks to Edward Zachary Sunrose because it was nice to have the different opinion on Jessica Jones, because I do think personally that it is a very close call, more than the vote would suggest.

Just checking with Runaways that people were aware that the main reason there was a debate was the fact that the Chase and Gert scene has flexibility. If they had explicitly said Thursday, there would be no question, but there's some flexibility for it to be Tuesday from the dialogue, which the non-stretched option would require (or it might even imply it's Tuesday and I've misread the scene).

"It is starting to feel like it's all just Tuesday now. No wait, Wednesday. No wait, it is Tuesday." "Think it's actually Thursday..." "Ha, whatever..."

If anyone wasn't aware of that and that changes their opinion, let me know, but I'm assuming with the unanimous vote currently that, if it even changes anyone's opinion, it wouldn't be four people and change things. But still, mention it if it does. No need to mention if it doesn't.

I'll put the Runaways events onto the 2018 page in the coming days (the bold events, not the full write-ups, which Marvelus has done but haven't been checked yet), and then Jessica Jones soon after, as well as working out the watch order in relation to The Punisher: Season 2.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 6 Alternate Timeline (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: (By the way, I still have it as head-canon that AoS Season 6 is an alternate timeline because of their time travel stuff at the end of Season 5. I know there's no proof of this, but this for me fixes the problem of again, nobody mentioning the Snap at all in SHIELD. I think they might just reference it in Season 7 and then maybe, just maybe go back to the main MCU timeline once they realize they were in a different one.) It's not possible, unless they add in a jump in time we didn't know about in 2018.

Selvig (Chimadino)
Chimadino wrote: No, I wasn't referring to those. I only speculated, since most people say Selvig was snapped and I belive they got it from offical info. Yes, many people know the official fact that Avengers: Endgame implies Selvig was killed. Many people are also not aware that anything would contradict that. But there is something: the novel contradicts it, just most people don't know about the novel. They haven't got official info that he was killed straight from Marvel.

Black Widow BMW (additional)
I brought this up before, how a 2017 BMW was identified as being a part of Black Widow, and how that doesn't quite seem to align with the implied 2016 setting. Just thought I'd provide a quick update to that because I found the exact release month: the 2017 BMW 5 Series Touring Wagon was released in June 2017 (1, 2), so yeah, definitely could be a problem considering Natasha has short blonde hair and is with Steve and Sam within "weeks"/"months" of Civil War according to comics and novels, but also just generally because I don't imagine the film will present itself as a whole year after Civil War. We'll see.

Captain America "106" (additional)
I'm sure many of you are aware, but a video was released where a VFX woman said, at 5:15-6:53, "What would a super soldier look like if he had aged 106 years?" and "to give him that 106-year-old super soldier look".

Steve was 9713 days old when he went into the ice, and lived a further 4406 days, roughly, from 2011 to 2023. This would make him approximately 14,119 days old when he went back, 38.656.

The former comment would suggest one of four things:
 * 1) That Steve is biologically 106 years old, having aged 106 years in his total lifetime. This would mean that approximately 67.844 years have passed for Steve. This would require him to return to 1955 going by the Markus and McFeely explanation, which cannot be the case, with a) them saying 1948 and b) Peggy getting married no later than 1953, and them saying that he was that husband. So, this provides info for the dates just on the Russo side.
 * 2) That Steve has aged 106 years over his lifetime, however long that has been, potentially ageing slower. Compatible for either side.
 * 3) That Steve has aged 106 years since becoming a super soldier. 594 days passed between him becoming a super soldier and going into the ice, plus the 4406 days in the present, 4512 days/12.353 years. This would mean roughly 93.647 years to have passed for Steve. This would require him to return to 1930 going by the Markus and McFeely explanation, which cannot be the case. So, this provides info for the dates just on the Russo side.
 * 4) That 106 years have passed for Steve since he left. This would require him to return to 1917 going by the Markus and McFeely explanation, which cannot be the case. So, this provides info for the dates just on the Russo side.

The second comment would then suggest that they mean either 1 or 2. He's either 106 years old, or meant to have the "106-year-old super soldier look" and not necessarily be 106. Since "super soldier" is already a note in this comment, like she's saying "he's supposed to have the look not necessarily of a normal 106-year-old, but a 106-year-old who was a super soldier so is still doing physically a little better than most". Not that he's supposed to have an "106-year-old look" and happen to be a super soldier. Plus there's no evidence in the MCU of the super soldier serum slowing ageing (I personally don't think it does in the MCU).

So, all that said, it would seem we have some Russo dates. Ignore the incorrect reporting on this - as established, Steve was 38.656, so to be 106 (roughly 106.5), he would have had to have lived about 67.844 years in the alternate timeline. The general assumption, therefore, is that if Peggy died around the same time (mid-2016), he has come back over soon after that (doesn't seem particularly like he's grieving, but hey). This would mean (I've seen a lot of miscalculations reported) that he likely arrived around August 1948.

So, it would seem that we do have a rough date now (can work out the exacts later), because despite their disagreements, it would seem that both sides of the argument agree on 1948. Markus and McFeely specifically say 1948, and what the Russos seem to have told the VFX team indirectly implies 1948. And around August, specifically.

It's not clear how authoritative this comment is, if they were just told "Make him look about 106ish" or if it was a big, calculated number over with the Russos/Marvel. And I'm not sending this to reignite the debate. This is just one of the endless additions to the debate, still being added to my blog compiling it all, this time on the Russo side. Just sending it because of the dates it implies, and to make sure you all know the correct dates rather than the miscalculated dates from articles.

So, Steve is 113 by the Markus and McFeely explanation, 106 by the Russo one. At least we are down to just two options over Steve's age now, rather than the infinite possibilites before that came with the Russo explanation.