Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180520172244

CirUmeUela wrote: I still have some questions as it relates to Infinity War. I guess we can say this season ends before the snap, maybe by a few hours or so. That will be really odd tonally if someone attempts to watch these together in order: SHIELD being happy/sad and then Infinity War's snap with it's dark, bleak ending. Probably a bit closer than a few hours. We know that the snap happens at 10:24 AM as shown on Fury's car clock in the post credits scene. It's already a bit of a stretch to have everything that happens within the episode occur over the course of only about three hours, since everything occurs during day time.

CirUmeUela wrote: As far as the future timeline they came from, I like your theory Marvelous. Maybe they did travel to an alternate future, one that had an identical past up to the moment the Earth was shattered by Talbot. Maybe the point was for them to at least be able to save their timeline's Earth by learning from the other one's. Also they were able to leave that future timeline (assuming it's an alternate reality) in a better place with Flint to rebuild. Yeah, that's pretty much the simplest explanation. It should be noted that it was explicitly stated that the white monolith was activated in the present because the time machine in the future was activated. As such, one could argue that the white monolith was specifically connected to that particular future timeline.

CirUmeUela wrote: But here's another question: what was up with Thanos in that alternate future if it wasn't the original timeline? Did the snap still happen? I guess that's possible, and then Talbot shattered the Earth after. The timing of events seems to suggest that it's likely that the Earth was shattered before the snap. It's possible that the mind stone (and perhaps even Vision himself) survived. Not that it would matter much, since Thanos could easily have used the time stone to at least restore vision in order to get the mind stone and perform the snap anyway.

CirUmeUela wrote: We know that at least Mack and Robin's mother were dead. They made it seem like they died on the ship originally except May and Fitz saved them when the loop was broken. But maybe they actually died from the snap in the alternate timeline. Maybe Simmons did too? Because I remember she was dead or something in the future. We don't really know how Mack and Polly originally died. Future Yo-Yo stated that she was present when Mack died, reaching for him through fire. The best explanation I can think of is that Fitz and May did not originally enter the ship to help Mack and Polly, which eventually resulted in them failing to escape from it in time, with Yo-Yo perhaps trying to save Mack from the burning wreckage.

Simmons was still alive by 2022. You're thinking of the scene where Fitz was angry at Robin for telling him how Simmons was going to die, which obviously indicates that she was still alive at that point.

CirUmeUela wrote: Also, wasn't it implied that they were going through the time travel loop over and over with always the same result? Or was that just a false assumption that future Fitz had the whole time? (Actually about Jemma, she couldn't have died from the snap because then Deke's mother or father wouldn't have been born). Yes, that was definitely implied, we ultimately don't really know how the loop was broken. Perhaps Yo-Yo was not originally warned about letting Coulson die, which ultimately resulted in them successfully making him take the serum.

CirUmeUela wrote: Also, since Doctor Strange saw 14 million possible outcomes and in only one of them they win against Thanos, we have to assume he maybe saw several alternate futures where the Earth was destroyed. So then the question is, if he saw Earth destroyed in some of those futures, maybe he considered that as them losing also? This is hurting my head, lol. Does this make sense what I'm saying? It's possible, although Strange was explicitly looking at possible outcomes of their fight against Thanos. There was nothing that they could do about the Earth's destruction while on Titan. Perhaps, Strange saw that that conflict would resolve itself and then focused on defeating Thanos.

CirUmeUela wrote: It's a stretch but we can kind of make it all fit together somewhat believably. It's better than just saying there are contradictions and that Infinity War can't possibly fit with SHIELD season 5. It's fits mostly just fine. The only thing that's kinda weird is that the agents basically seem to forget about Thanos' invasion after beating Talbot. I know that the show wanted to end on a positive note in case they didn't get renewed, but it's still a bit weird.