Talk:Johann Fennhoff

Doctor Faustus
I believe a rename of the article "Ivchenko" is inappropriate. The Creator of that particular character has stated that, though he modeled him after Dr. Faustus, he is NOT to be called Faustus. He created that the name purposefully to honor a hockey player (see Ovechkin trivia). I acknowledge that, based on the standards of this wiki, written by Shabook and approved his administrators, the name change fits. However, is it change for the sake of change? Will it improve the article? Can it not be acknowledged in the trivia section?

I ask the wiki community to vote on the name change of the article "Ivchenko" to Dr. Faustus. For the reasons above I am against it...Bratpack (talk) 23:21, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Though I respect your opinion very much (you can be certain of that :), I think that changing the name of Dr. Faustus could improve the article in terms of comic-book lore. Though he isn't named Dr. Faustus in the show, it would be a lot easier for people not so familiar with the comics (just to complete, this is a DIFFERENT case, I would not want Trevor Slattery to be named Mandarin). Also, he was foreshadowed to be the character, but they are using the name of Ivchenko to not be "one-dimensional". Also, we could still use Ivchenko in every mention and as a tag to find the page. - User:Draft227 - 02/21/2015 - 21:17.

According to the policy, the page "should be listed by their Marvel Comics codename if it is either used as a proper codename or used as an alias for the character within the Marvel Cinematic Universe." Showing a book title does not seem to quality, if you ask me. DinoSlider (talk) 23:25, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

To clarify, the habit to name the articles as their comic book codenames is not something that I've written, it is as old as this wiki, I merely collected it, trying make a guide on how to solve these kind of things, but what's the point of having a policy if it's not going to be followed? Want some examples? There are many:
 * Every character taken from the comics and incorporated into the MCU is not a carbon copy of the comic character, and he is instead adapted to fill into the MCU. As such, and as I already explained, what the writer of the episode said is that they are not going to call Ralph Brown's character "Doctor Faustus" in the same way that Johann Schmidt is called "Red Skull" or Tony Stark is called "Iron Man". Bratpack, you have said that he is not the same character, and that argument is not true: he is Doctor Fennhoff, just like the Faustus from the comics, only given another name in the first episodes he appeared not to spoil his true identity, because if he had been called Fennhoff from the beginning, everyone would have known he was a villain.


 * 1) We have named Obadiah Stane's page as Iron Monger for his little quote, even though every other article calls him Stane.


 * 1) We have named Carl Creel's article as Absorbing Man because he was casually called that once, even though every other article calls him Creel.


 * 1) We have named Donnie Gill's article as Blizzard because it was the name of a project, even though every other article calls him Gill.


 * 1) We have named Ivan Vanko's article as Whiplash because he was referred as such in some promo material, even though every other article calls him Vanko.

And Dinoslider, your argument is something I've seen you doing more than once, it is called Wikilawyering, defined as "Asserting the technical interpretation of policies and guidelines to override the underlying principles they express." Shabook (talk) 23:57, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * And this is e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same instance. The name of the article (an out-of-universe feature of the MCU Wiki) should be Doctor Faustus, even though the in-universe text of every other article should use the names Fennhoff or Ivchenko depending on if they talk of the events prior to meeting Private Ovechkin of the events after that.

So, I guess we'll change it? User:Draft227


 * No, if such a change will be made a vote has to be done. This Character, Ivchencko aka Fennhoff within the MCU isn't Doctor Faustus, only modeled after him. Because he isn't Faustus within the MCU I am against a change. Naming the Article Doctor Faustus would basicly be speculationTomasDerksen (talk) 00:31, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

I hope that by the airing of the season finale, that this argument is moot; so I propose that we have a vote until February 26, 2015 00:00 (UTC). (That's 7:00 PM EST) That time allows everyone to see it live, on demand, and other ways, to see if the name is verbally mentioned or if another like the experiments mention it.

For the rename to Doctor Faustus
1.

Against the rename to Doctor Faustus
1. Bratpack (talk) 00:52, February 22, 2015 (UTC)