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Online Close-Up Magic University (DieGrinsekatz77)
DieGrinsekatz77 wrote: I don't know if somebody noticed that there was a magic promo action of Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Here is a trailer of the "Online Close-Up Magic University": https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1944056355675372

And here is a small website of this university: https://www.marvel.com/onlinecloseupmagicuniversity I had no idea about this, thank you.

Obviously the videos on the site are non-canon. I'm not sure what to do about the Facebook video, because on its own it seems fine. However, it links to the site, so it's essentially part of the same "series", and therefore with some of them clearly non-canon, the series would be non-canon, so that introductory video as well. I think I'm leaning that way.

Runaways: Season 3 (Rman823, DaenerysTheMadKhal58, Marvelus, Assassin1and2, Mrmichaelt)
Rman823 wrote: Of course Runaways had to complicate the timeline even further. It's sometime in Early February 2018, before the time jump and given we see that it's been 6 months 22 days and 4 hours since the data was last backed up then we're now in Late August 2018, (which would have worked otherwise, given that they mention Prom and Graduation happening while they were gone). Placing us only a couple months after the snap with the world still seeming normal. When it comes to the shows, it really does feel like they just went in with a this is pre snap attitue, even if in show evidence would say otherwise. That's absolutely been their attitude. Ugh.

Rman823 wrote: Also while I haven't reached it yet, apparently in 2022, events from Runaways S3 are referred to as being 3 years ago (2019). While placing it close to real time, it does contradict all the other evidence placing the show in 2017-2018. And means the entire show would be post snap. Yeah I've been hearing about this. Double ugh.

Rman823 wrote: Noticed a July 25th 2019 date on a form when Nico goes to see her mom in Episode 7. Should proably be ignored, just thought I'd include it for timeline evidence. Also been hearing about this, thanks. Triple ugh.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: Ok, I finished Runaways S3. I loved it, but the finale poses a big problem for the timeline, and I'm not even talking about Snap stuff.

[Spoilers removed from this quote.] Accidentally saw the spoilers, but oh well. The synopses had spoiled that that would happen to one of them anyway, and with the time travel and what the finale synopsis suggested, I still don't know what does and doesn't stick, so it doesn't really matter. Plus I don't care too much about this show anyway.

Marvelus wrote: I have an idea, but no way it can be 2019. It has to be 2018 It does seem that not only because of the amount of evidence for late 2017 in Season 1, but because 2019 would drag the entire show post-Snap, that it would be very tricky to just move it all to 2019. But I don't have the full context, nor the full picture over what happens with time travel, yet, so I'll obviously let you all know my thoughts once I've watched it, soon.

Assassin1and2 wrote: Beginning of the show happens 2 years after Amy's death so late 2017, then we have a 6 month jump some Summer of 2018 and there's no further time skips until the stuff in the future. Amy's death isn't fixed to late 2015, that was more of a calculation based on the season being firmly late 2017, and it being 2 years ago and after Star Wars Battlefront was released.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Wait so to recap:

C&D Season 1 was Feb. to March 2017.

C&D Season 2 was Nov. 2017 to Feb. 2018

Runaways Season 1 was Late 2017

Runaways Season 2 was Dec. 2017 to February 2018

That right?

So right off the bat, in Run. S3's 1st episode, at the 11:30 mark or so aka the Pride press conference, it's stated the "gas leak" at Pride HQ was 36 hours ago. So season 3 opens a day and a half after the S2 finale.

Gert is 16 years old but not 17 right? Because in the cabin scene, the calendar is left on 2001 and Dale states the last two things they did there was make Old Lace and that Gert was conceived there. So she's still 16 in Feb/March 2018 and her 17th birthday hasn't happened? I thought we settled on Cloak & Dagger: Season 2 ending December 2017 (though I haven't seen Runaways: Season 3 yet to know whether more evidence is given regarding how long it has been since Cloak & Dagger: Season 2). And Runaways: Season 2 ends in January 2018. But otherwise, yeah that's right (Runaways: Season 1 is all December 2017).

The Runaways' ages have themselves been a mess, but it overall has seemed that all of them except Molly were born in early 2001. Sounds like maybe we'll have to assume Gert is younger than the rest of them and maybe was conceived early January 2001, born a little prematurely almost 8 months later around late August 2001 to fit into their year.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I would guess what's when they filmed the episode and no attention was paid to the in-universe timeline. So it probably should be 2018 in the date? Season 2 had evidence of the classic "It's been much less time in the timeline since the last instalment than it has been in real life, but we've also decided that the last one was set in real time and the new one is also set in real time" problem that so many things have, just luckily none of it was too strong. Seems like Season 3 is a much stronger case of that.

Rman823 wrote: A scene set in 2022 also refers to events of Season 3 as being 3 years ago (2019). What most likely happened was each season was made to be in real time while also happening over a short time span. Season 2 didn't really have anything confirming what year it was taking place, So it was easy to just place it in early 2018 to match the December 2017 evidence in Season 1. Season 3 on the other hand acts like it should be 2019 which would place the entire show post snap which would be pretty far fetched. Yup, exactly.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I'm only finished episode 7 but thinking about what the reasoning for the Snap not being properly cited and what not. I think we just reason that Morgan's magic is affecting everyone in many ways, even making them not think about certain events. And I guess her marketing tactic with joining a flock kinda leans to taking advantage of people's loneliness and pain after the Snap.

Just listing some Runaways timeline stuff for future discussion -Episode 5, at the end of the episode, on Alex's computer, it says it's been 6 months, 22 days, and 4 hours since he did his last back up. -Episode 6, in his first scene Dale states out loud it is Day 189 been living off the grid. This is around 9:46 mark, after the title sequence. (So I guess it took him btw a week and 2 weeks to return to LA and join the Church) -Also when some of team gets their waffles, it's Karolina who mentions, around 6:14, they missed a lot in the last six months - graduation, prom, summer jobs. (Would nicely bring things to late July/early August) -Episode 7, which is the day after the party last episode, around 12:55 is when we see the Dr. Lee letter prop with the July 25, 2019 date on it.(So late July it is but given the history of discounted props or lines of dialogue in movies and TV shows in the MCU...idk, again I still have to watch the last 3 episodes) -And around 15:13, during Chase's live stream, Gert states it's been 24 hours since she was given her Corvus phone. Thank you.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Okay so Runaways S3 ep 7-9 bleed into each other.

End of Ep. 8, Molly says it was only 8 hours since they went into the Dark Dimension.

Episode 9, the Olympia Grand ceremony was around midnight. Morgan said as much to her coven early on when she gives them orders.

Episode 10

Future Chase does a data log at 1:11 and says it's June 14, 2018.

A Summer 2022 class schedule is on Julie and Karolina's fridge at 2:29.

Julie asks Karolina if it's been 3 years since, at 3:00 mark.

The cheerleader tells Molly they will all miss her when she graduates, at 4:12

Julie remembers the karaoke for Karolina's birthday back in February at 14:50.

Okay, so I think there is some wiggle room for the episode 10 stuff, it's not a total screw up that can't be reasoned away, imo.

1. So the Summer 2022 schedule. It's just up a paper on the fridge. It's not set in stone like Future Chase's line. No one says what year it is. So we have flexibility. Instead of assuming this is the year 2022, as I said it's a piece of paper on a fridge. We can discount it as Karoline being so preppy she's planned her summer school way in advance. Something like that. Bottom line, it can still be the year 2021. Gert died in fall 2018, 3 year skip to fall 2021.

And well Dr. Lee's letter from episode 7, it'll just be a prop in a long history of inaccurate props not adjusted for in-universe in an MCU property that's going to have to be modified a little to fit in the greater MCU timeline. The prop manager was probably going by filming date and was in error. No one was in a position to know everything about the timeline and question it. So August 29, 2018 rather than July 29, 2019 would be more rational a date.

2. Molly is leading cheerleading practice. Which is most likely during the regular school year. If it is a three year jump, then they are in the Fall quarter like late August or September 2021. Since we're currently of the mind that season 3 is February 2018 and they spent 6+ months in the Dark Dimension so when they emerge, it's August/September 2018. The cheerleader then implies Molly is a senior and will graduate, in this case May 2022. Thank you for all of this.

For a variety of unfortunate reasons, I am yet to start Season 3. It's been a bit of a cause of stress for the last week, and I've had some of it spoiled and been frustrated to be unable to engage in this discussion, knowing people want answers on things like this, and seeing it on the discussions page. I want to be able to start thinking over the problems (which I can only do once I've seen it) and talk to you guys.

I'm finishing off checking Marvelus' Runaways: Season 2 write-ups, then I'll be able to start Season 3 soon. Sorry for the delay, everyone.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 Reconsideration (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Rman823, Marvelus)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Considering we now have Runaways being post-Snap and Agents of SHIELD being post-Snap with neither one referencing the Snap, should we reconsider JJ3's placement to post-Snap as well? Rman823 wrote: I'd vote yes. It makes more sense in November and it's not like it's the only show that didn't consider the snap. Marvelus wrote: I would say no. Not top priority, but at some point soon I'll open this up for another discussion/vote. Once we've got Runaways: Season 3 nailed down.

Jessica Jones Auction (additional)
Looked through the Jessica Jones auction. Here are the notes from the props:
 * Patsy Walker comic (1, 2, 3, 4): "26 Jan", approved by the Comics Code Authority so likely pre-2001 or not much after that.
 * Hope Shlottman's credit card statement: "Jun 13 2013", "Payment due date 02/15".
 * : The Mothers by Brit Bennett, Charcoal Joe by Walter Mosley.
 * Reva Connors newspaper clippings: Crash was "late last night", was "Tuesday [...] at about 2p.m." (that's not late... and it should be Monday), "a statement Wednesday afternoon", "statement later on Wednesday", "In 2013", "In February", "In November, when a bus driver in Brooklyn struck and killed a 41-year-old woman", "Since January 1st", "arrest on Wednesday", "Simona Halep", "Petra Kvitova", "U.S. Open", "Wimbledon", "Bouchard", "Saviano", "Leclair", "Genie", "Harry Potter", "When Bouchard was only 9, her father, Michel Bouchard", "Tennis Mania", "McFaul", "President Petro O. P-", "Putin", "Geoffrey R. Pyatt", "From 1980 to 2000, global emissions of greenhouse gasses [...] But from 2000 to 2010", "Coca-Cola", "Elle Quebec put Bouchard on the cover of its August issue", "Maria Sharapova", "Serena Williams, Li Na - reach into their 30s", "Martina Navratilova", "Chris Ever", "Australian Open", "Ana Ivanovic", "French Open", "President Obama [...] Clean Air Act [...] before leaving office in early 2017" (mistake - but this is just real newspaper stuff), "Rogers", "Bouchard took to the second set 6-2", "Bouchard's contract with her manager at Lagardere Unlimited is up in October", "Fernando Soler, head of I.M.G. tennis", "Frank Veltri Tennis Center in Plantation, Fla., near Fort Lauderdale", "Max Eisenbbud", "baseball player Miguel Cabrera", "Babolat event", "Southern Open in Cincinnati", "Tiffany necklace [...] Beatrice had "borrowed" for close to a year. Genie had won the necklace, which dangled a tiny diamond, in 2012 at a best-dressed contest", "2014".
 * Jessica's file on Luke: Bus crash was "Tuesday [...] at about 2p.m." (again), "January 20 2015" (mistake), "20 day of Janu-".
 * Jessica's newspaper clippings of Luke Cage (1, 2): "lost her life this week", ""I just saw [Ms. Connors yesterday [...]"", "Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany", "interview broadcast Sunday evening", "Kremlin", "Sergey A. Smirnov", "President Vladimir V. Putin", "President Petro O. Poroshenko", "European Union", "From 1970 to 2000, global emissions of greenhouse gases", "From 2000 to 2010", "Bouchard", "Australian Open", "Genie", "Serena Williams", "Shelby Rogers", "Rogers, who was ranked 113th", "For months, she has been celebrated as someone expected to win Grand Slam events", "Coca-Cola", "Elle Quebec put Bouchard on the cover of its August issue".
 * Reva's hospital records: 1, 2: "Date 01/20/2014"
 * Trish Talk bus stop posters (1, 2): "Weekday mornings 11AM ET".
 * "Costa Verde Under Siege" paper: "Weekday Edition/Cloudy, 43", funny choice of real life paper page inside, and from "Monday, April 6, 2015" (which is just the time they filmed it, so it is really only 0.00001% a timeline indicator, but it's fairly well-aligned anyway).
 * More of Luke's books: The Force by Don Winslow, "Stephen King", "The Godfather", "The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead", "New York Times", "The Cartel" by Don Winslow, "Oprah Winfrey (Oprah's Book Club 2016 selection)" (I don't get why some of these seem to be 2016 books - maybe the show/season they're from has been mislabelled), "Toni Morrison's Beloved, Victor Hugo's Les Miserables, Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man", "Jorge Luis Borges, Franz Kafka and Jonathan Swift", "Michiko Kakutani", "USA Today", "People", "Michael Schaur, NPR", "Gabriel Garcia Marquez", "The Boston Globe", "Ron Charles, The Washington Post", "Shakespearian", "Lee Child", "Arizona Republic", "Janet Maslin, New York Times", "Michael Connelly", "Game of Thrones", "Rolling Stone", "NPR", "The Power of the Dog", "Los Angeles Times"., "Esquire".
 * Luke's motorcycle license plate: "15".
 * Jessica's childhood Journal: "1996-1999", "January 5, 1996 [...] Trish" (mistake).
 * Jessica's childhood bedroom poster: "Red Hot Chilli Peppers".
 * Claire's nurse badge: "Expires: 11/21/19".
 * Jeri's award: "2017".
 * Jessica's hospital file: "Date 6/2", "Discharge Date 3/22", "3/22 Date" (three times), "Rev. 05/12", "-4/12 [...] -te"
 * Trish Talk framed poster: "Weekdays".
 * Whizzer's backpack and contents: "Altoids", "Band-Aid", "Daylogic", "Rite Aid".
 * Whizzer's tablet keyboard: "Microsoft".
 * "Jessica Jones' Winter Costume".
 * Whizzer's Critter Kibble bag: "Best by: 10/25/2019".
 * Framed Trish Talk articles: "The charm and wit that propelled her to the top of pop culture at the turn of the 21st century", "the occasional giggle that slides out exactly like it did 15 years ago", "two horus", "starred in Snatch and Grab", "since Oprah left the air [...] Loveline", "She spent most of 2010 living out of that backpack on Unalaska Island", "runs weekdays, 2-4pm", "She spent most of 2010 living out of that backpack on Unalaska Island", "it's currently 48 degrees in New York City", "September", "Trish spent the last two sumemrs bouncing back-and-forth between the aforementioned Logan, WV and her NYC studio", "entered the public eye at a young age as the star of all-ages favorite "It's Patsy[...]"".
 * Karl Malus: "2007 6 March", "2007 14 March", "2007 March 24th", "2007 March 27th".
 * Gillian's office materials: Thinking About Crime by James Q. Wilson, Fortune, "Slice City Proudly Serving New York Since 1986".
 * "Season of Fire" paper (1, 2): "Weekday Edition/Partly Sunny, Low 80s".
 * Trish's Hellcat bag: "Mouteenoo".
 * Trish's binoculars: "Bushnell".
 * "Exclusive: First Ever Photo of the Masked Vigilante!" paper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Partly Sunny, Low 80s".
 * Jessica's "Happy Sweet 16!" cards: "Happy Sweet 16!".
 * Jessica's keepsake box and contents: "Webster hall Presents Jane's Addiction" "17JAN98" "SAT JAN 17, 1998 7PM" "17JUL93" "WED, NOV 28, 1990 8PM" "10JUL93", "The The", Troll doll.
 * Jessica's whiskey bottle (1, 2): "Darwington's since 1865".
 * "Bona Fide Hero" paper (1, 2, 3): "Weekday Edition/Partly Sunny, Low 80s".
 * Jessica's Alias Investigations desk and accessories: "Michter's Straight Rye Est. 1753".