Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190404031708

FitzSimmons (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I have it down that in "Making Friends and Influencing People", the The Daily Cadet article Fitz looks at states he and Simmons were the Sci-Tech class of '04 then later in the episode Simmons tells Bakshi she was a 17 year old girl with 2 Ph.D.s and millions of questions when she joined S.H.I.E.L.D. Then in "Bouncing Back", Fitz notes he and Simmons met each other for the first time when they were 16 years old. -- and so they were born in 1987, so graduated S.H.I.E.L.D. Academy in 2004 then joined S.H.I.E.L.D. in the same year. Apologies, I misremembered - yes, it's in Making Friends and Influencing People just referring to the events of Seeds, with Donnie Gill returning.

I had taken that to be when she joined S.H.I.E.L.D. academy, since she's talking about her motive for joining and her choosing to join the organisation would've been when she chose to start at the academy, rather than going to S.H.I.E.L.D. Academy and only then after deciding to join S.H.I.E.L.D.. While your suggestion would otherwise make more sense, especially since the "('04)" would usually mean graduated in 2004, I think with the fact that Fitz and Simmons met on the first day of the academy and only about "10 years" before 2016, they can't have met earlier than 2004 (my school class were called both the "class of 2011" and "class of 2018").

I would guess that they met age 16 in August 2004, if the term started a bit early or something, but most of the academic year Simmons was 17, from September.

Agh, I'm doubting myself now. This is a bit inconsistent.


 * August 19, 1987 - Fitz is born.
 * September 11, 1987 - Simmons is born.
 * Between September 11, 2003 and August 18, 2004 - Fitz and Simmons meet on the first day of the academy. "10" years before 2016.
 * 2004 - A marked date for FitzSimmons either starting or finishing the academy.
 * Between September 11, 2004 and September 10, 2003 - Simmons properly decides to join S.H.I.E.L.D..

Your suggestion makes the most sense to piece it together, but it relies on the academy only lasting a year which seems wrong. Maybe because they were super smart and fast, but 3 times faster than most? Agh I don't know. I always assumed that they met in 2004 at the start of the academy, "10" (12) years before 2016, being about 16-17. If Fitz was younger than her we could say he was 16 going on 17 and she'd just turned 17, in September 2004. But if we're taking it as canon that he's "23 days" older...

Lighthouse Location (Lebnyx)
Lebnyx wrote: Also, I forgot to mention that the coordinates Talbot gives for the Lighthouse (43.9462, -76.1191) correspond to Sackets Harbor, NY: https://www.google.com/maps/search/43.9462,+-76.1191

Just in case this helps to narrow things down further for the sunrise/sunset and travel times. Awesome, that also helps and I'll incorporate these things when I update the Infinity War timings. Thanks for your help! Could you specify when that was shown?

Erik Selvig (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: So it looks like an Endgame tv spot confirmed a certain character got dusted so that Cosmic Quest Vol 2 novel isn't canon? It was set after IW right? I read about that and was going to bring it up myself. If this gets addressed in some way that makes the book definitely non-canon I'm going to be really annoyed after I waited for months until finally buying them just 3 weeks ago.

It's set after Infinity War and he's supposed to be alive. I haven't read it yet, but it's possible that whatever happens to him and the others takes him off the grid so like Scott, since he's missing, he is on the screens as missing presumed deceased.

I'm hoping it's not addressed directly in the film in a way that contradicts the book because I really do think these books are full canon.

I also don't think the wiki article should list him as deceased, just unknown. We did the same for Shuri until the posters confirmed him dead, and we have even more reason in this case to not necessarily assume he's dead. But I don't know if I want to get involved in some potential edit conflict or something.

Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary (additional)
I found the Marvel Studios Visual Dictionary in a book shop and had a skim-read through looking for any timeline details and taking photos. I'm sure I missed some stuff but I think I got most of it.
 * Page 9 - "Frozen in time for nearly 70 years, Cap emerges in the chaotic, technologically advanced world of the 21st century."
 * Page 10 - "After the bombing of Peal Harbor in 1941, he is determined to enlist."
 * Page 11 - Picture of Steve at the training camp labelled "M1 helmets first adopted by U.S. military in 1941."
 * Page 11 - "On 14th June 1943, after the intervention of scientist Dr Abraham Erskine, Steve Rogers is finally accepted into the U.S. Army."
 * Backs us up despite some evidence for 1942.
 * Page 13 - "Rogers was born on 4th July, 1918."
 * Page 16 - Bucky "in 1943 heads to Europe to join the fight against the Nazis."
 * Again backs us up.
 * Page 16 - "On a mission in 1945, he is knocked from a Hydra train."
 * Again backs us up despite evidence for 1944.
 * Page 16 - "Bucky Barnes was born on 10th March 1917."
 * Backs us up despite contradictory evidence over the year.
 * Page 16 - "He and Steve visit the 1943 World Exposition of Tomorrow."
 * Backs us up despite some evidence for 1942.
 * Page 17 - "This mission is the last time the friends see each other for almost 70 years."
 * The Winter Soldier is less than 70 years after Bucky's fall, works fine.
 * Page 17 - Bucky's rifle is an "M1941 Johnson", from, obviously, 1941.
 * Page 18 - "Carter was born in London, England and served in the Royal Air Force and Special Air Service before joining the S.S.R. in 1940."
 * Works fine I believe.
 * Page 19 - "She passes away aged 98."
 * Adds to the 1918 evidence over 1921 but 1921 evidence still overrules.
 * Page 20 - "In March 1942, Schmidt loots an old church building."
 * Page 20 - Schmidt's pistol is a "German Luger P08 semi-automatic" from 1904.
 * Page 21 - "In 1943, while inspecting one of his weapons factories, Johann Schmidt encoutners Captain America and Bucky Barnes."
 * Page 25 - "James Buchanan Barnes is the Howling Commandos' sniper. He and Steve Rogers have been inseparable friends since 1930."
 * Backs up the 1930 date from First Vengeance.
 * Page 26 - "Nearly 70 years after Captain America is lost in the Arctic, his plane is discovered."
 * Page 30 - "Dr Arnim Zola has been secretly rebuilding Hydra for 70 years."
 * Assume rounding, 65 years.
 * Page 30 - "Despite the death of his body in 1972."
 * Page 32 - "In 1945, Howling Commando Bucky Barnes is captured by Hydra and brainwashed."
 * Again backs us up.
 * Page 35 - "Killed Howard and Maria Stark on Long Island in 1991."
 * Page 37 - "Murdering Tony Stark's parents in 1991."
 * Page 40 - Talking about Tony, "He graduated from MIT at the age of 17."
 * Page 40 - "Inherited his father's company, Stark Industries, at age 21."
 * Backs us up over 1970 date of birth despite 1969 evidence.
 * Page 41 - "On a visit to Europe he drives a 1978 Wolf Ford replica."
 * Page 41 - "His rude dismissal of fellow engineer Aldrich Killian back in 1999."
 * Page 41 - "Originally introduced to Stark by Dr Ho Yinsen in 1999."
 * Page 44 - "Bern, Switzerland, in 1999."
 * Page 46 - Tony's cars include a "1949 Mercury Coupé" and "1932 Ford Model B Roadster".
 * Page 47 - "Tony Stark built the first of his two workshop robots, "Dum-E", when he was a 16-year-old student at MIT."
 * Little extra detail there that he was at MIT at the time.
 * Page 51 - Tony's cars include a "1932 Flathead Roadster" and "1967 Shelby Cobra".
 * Page 54 - Talking about Obadiah Stane, "He stepped in as interim CEO of Stark Industries when Howard and his wife were killed in 1991."
 * Page 54 - "Tony Stark took over the company aged 21."
 * Again backs us up.
 * Page 54 - "Stane reminds him that they haven't had a breakthrough in 30 years."
 * Page 57 - "Ivan Antonovich Vanko is a Russian engineer and physicist with a painful past. He spent 15 years in prison for trying to sell plutonium to Pakistan."
 * Page 58 - "Killian first met Tony Stark in 1999."
 * Page 75 - "In a childish rage, Thor breaks a peace treaty with the Frost Giants - one lasting more than a thousand years."
 * Matches with 965 A.D..
 * Page 80 - "The Convergence of the Nine Realms, which occurs every 5,000 years."
 * Page 82 - "The Convergence occurs across the Nine Realms every 5,000 years."
 * Page 83 - "The Frost giants tried to wipe out humanity and colonise Midgard in 965 BCE."
 * Not B.C.E. (B.C.), C.E. (A.D.)! For goodness' sake.
 * Page 84 - "The Convergence, when once every 5,000 years all Nine Realms blend one into another."
 * Page 88 - "Over the course of two days, Thor loses both his father and Mjolnir, is captured on Sakaar and then watches the Grandmaster melt someone into a steaming blue puddle in front of him. The Grandmaster disrespects Thor, calling him "Sparkles" and "Lord of Thunder", before making him a gladiator slave."
 * Page 107 - "After two whole years as Hulk, with no moderating influence from Banner, he doesn't hesitate to smash Thor when he meets his former ally in the arena."
 * Adds to the evidence backing us up against the people with theories about him being there longer because of Sakaar's weird time.
 * Page 119 - Talking about the Maximoffs, "The twins were orphaned at just ten years old."
 * Page 127 - Talking about the Battle of Wakanda, "Birnin Zana's protective energy shield and the Wakandans' advanced weaponry make this a very different conflict to the first Battle of New York years before."
 * Page 130 - Talking about Scott, "He spent three years in San Quentin State Prison."
 * Page 136 - "During a 1987 mission to stop a rogue Soviet missile."
 * Page 136 - "Pym resigned in 1989."
 * Page 136 - "Hank Pym lives in an old Victorian manor built in the late 1800s."
 * Page 136 - Hank's tank is a "T-34 Soviet battle tank" from 1940.
 * Page 152 - "In 1992, N'Jobu helped the arms dealer Ulysses Klaue steal Wakandan vibranium."
 * This would mean the attack itself was 1992. Will have a look at whether this should be taken as fact or not when I next review the Black Panther past dates.
 * Page 152 - "She tells him it is a 7th century piece constructed by the Fula people."
 * Page 152 - "At age 19, he graduates from the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis."
 * Page 160 - "The Ancient One's followers know very little about her, other than the fact that she us Celtic and centuries old."
 * Page 173 - "Quill deploys the smarts, stealth and equipment he picked up in his 26 years with the Ravagers to betray his former benefactors and steal the Orb for himself."
 * Page 177 - "Named after Quill's boyhood crush on the 1980s actor and singer Alyssa Milano.
 * Confirmation outside of just James Gunn's social media or wherever this was first said.
 * Page 177 - Peter's Walkman is a "1980 Sony TPS-L2 Walkman cassette player".
 * Page 181 - "As a baby, Yondu's parents sold him to the Kree Empire, where he spent 20 years as a battle slave."
 * Page 188 - "The Kree and Xandarians have been at war for 1,000 years."