Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki talk:Playground

Removing Video Game/Deleted Material Articles
Hello fellow Wikians. After the proccess of the debate in which if the LEGO articles and pages should stay, I came upon the idea and notion that we should remove all non-canon character pages, but actually allow the game pages to remain.

For example, we would exclude Madame Hydra, but not the Captain America: Super Soldier page, or Ymir and Thor: God of Thunder (same with mobile games too). The idea of allowing these non-canon characters to remain with their own pages in the Wiki honestly makes no sense. While, yes, the games are based on the MCU timeline as tie-ins, which is why they deserve their own pages, their characters do not. Adding them is not only a waste of time as it is also a waste making categories for video games-only characters and adding non-canon characters along canon characters.

Also, I suddenly stumbled upon the Most Wanted  page and saw that pages for characters like Dominic Fortune exist, despite, as the show never aired, this character basically does not even exist in the MCU. I know it is categorized under Cancelled media, but I don't see the point of having a character that virtually does not exist in the universe, so he, and other cancelled characters, should not have their own pages.

I wanted to see the other users' opinions about this, as well as the admins (although I know some want the game articles to stay).- User:Draft227 August 09th, 2016 19:39


 * I knew that the Lego situation would open a dangerous gate... Regarding Most Wanted. It's an entirely new situation, as it is the first cancelled media of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. However, I shall remind you the purpose of a Wiki (not only of this wiki): To collect any and all information about a specific topic in the most comprehensive way. Marvel even released a character description for him, so I see no reason to delete that information from this wiki. Our goal is to collect and share information, not to restrain it. You said that it has a template to signal that it is cancelled media, so that's more than enough to clarify its status.--Shabook (talk) 22:57, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

About the most wanted situation: No reason to remove any of it.TomasDerksen (talk) 13:46, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I have never been a fan of pages for non-canon characters. I prefer having their biography in the game pages, so that it is still shown for those who play the game, but not for people who search for a character hoping it is there.

As for videogames, well, they are not my cup of tea, so I don't mind a rework of the pages.--Shabook (talk) 17:44, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that character pages for non-canon people are redundant. As said above, those characters technically do not even exist within MCU, although the products that featured them are tie-in materials. My opinion is the same method I suggested in the last weeks: The character pages should be removed and the character bios should be covered either in the main article of the non-canon product (video game, cancelled media, etc.) or in a sub-page like "Thor: God of Thunder/Characters". Shabook is right about the fact that wikis must collect any relevant information on their topics; however, I believe in the case of non-canon (or cancelled) products, only the product itself deserves its own page; its characters do not. Silacko (talk) 17:03, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize if this may sound rude or blunt, not my intention, but the removal of pages about the characters, actors or any other concept that may have appeared in Most Wanted or any other project similarly cancelled before release is, simply put, not up for discussion.
 * No apologies needed. I'm not very insistent on removing the character pages of the cancelled media. I just wanted to state my opinion on this. Silacko (talk) 17:57, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Also, sorry for thinking the deletion of the articles was up for discussion, but since you brought the games, should we talk more about it? So far, from the four people involved in this discussion, all dislike the idea of keeping non-canon characters, and I know many more do from other pages. Draft227
 * I agree with Silacko's idea, and you do not sound rude. I just found it strange why MW actors still have their pages while people like Patrick Wilson who would play someone in Ant-Man had his page removed. Isn't the case similar here?
 * Patrick Wilson was hired to play a role that, ultimately, he didn't film anything at all, and he doesn't appear in Ant-Man. Oded Fehr actually portrayed a role. Totally different cases.--Shabook (talk) 21:12, August 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * This place is uncharacteristically non-hyperverbal. Last time we were discussing the Lego pages, a notification was sent by one of the admins. Maybe that would help.
 * Anyways, I dropped by to propose also the removal of the "Video games only" sub-sections in the relationship sections of the characters. Silacko (talk) 05:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

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Articles for Movies with Uncomfirmed Titles
Alright, so I've only been contributing to the wiki for a few months but I'm just wondering why there is no article for Avengers 4, but there is an article for Spider-Man: Homecoming 2.

I'm guessing the reason is because the name isn't final and just a placeholder, but the same goes for Spider-Man 2. Plus, I double-checked the naming policy and didn't find anything that is against articles like this (but if I missed something then please let me know).

And if the reason is because of a lack of information, well I personally disagree over it's lack of existence. The wiki is meant to give information on stuff like this and I feel it's our responsibility to give that information, even if it's small. So please, if you're an admin, see if there's anything we can do about this.SwagMasterDbl (talk) 09:01, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Citizenship Template
Based on this conversation I had with Uskok, I'm here to show you guys the Citizenship Template I build (based on the Nationality Template from DCEU Wikia). It is very simple to use. For example:


 * Just add on the Character's Template to have the country's flag and the country's demonym automatically:

Since we don't have any Citizenship categories because we don't want to be so "Earth-centric" I have also added Asgardian, Nova, and Kree "flags" because those are the alien citizenships he have for now (if there is another one I forgot to add, please tell me).

Here on the template is the list with all the codes of the countries and here is an example of how this new template should look. Please feel free to add your opinions about the Template and its changes below. --Blaublau94 (talk) 15:12, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely love this idea (and I always though that indeed, we should have a category for nationalities - it wouldn't be Earth-centric, it would be factual. Aliens having no citizenship it's not a reason for humans not to have one). You put a lot of effort into creating it, great job man! We should definitely use it! - Draft227
 * Thanks man! --Blaublau94 (talk) 17:59, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I love his idea too and I applaud you for the work you have put into it. I think it would be a great addition.--Greater Good (talk) 17:25, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I really appreciate it --Blaublau94 (talk) 17:59, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I really love the idea! It's a good way to add detail. A shame there's no flag for Jotun, Svartalf, Vanir, or Sakaaran. SonOfAres1 (talk) 18:21, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I just added the Dark Elfves. --Blaublau94 (talk) 20:14, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I also like the idea and I'm all for it. Dr.Who1997To The Playground 19:54, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Blaublau94 (talk) 20:14, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Excellent idea and flawless job. Well done, it really give the Template a nice touch. -- Elledy92 (talk) 22:49, January 3, 2017 (CET)
 * Thank you man! --Blaublau94 (talk) 23:46, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Categorisation
I believe Patriot's case urge to create a macro-category such as Enhanced humans, where we could sub-categorise Category:Super Soldier Serum Users and similar characters. --HarveyWallbanger (talk) 09:55, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with the idea but I think the category should be named "Enhanced Individuals". That way we can also put the Cyborgs category in that category because the Cyborgs category also includes non-humans.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 11:39, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with you!--HarveyWallbanger (talk) 11:43, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * I also agree on that. However, the category should be named "Enhanced Humans" rather than "individuals", because enhanced individuals would suggest both humans with powers as well as all inhumans, and maybe even alien species. By naming it "Enhanced Humans", we can constrain the category to humans (or human mutates) only, which is not a "species" taken into account in this wiki. Silacko (talk) 18:30, January 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * The Inhumans were biologically empowered, but the Enhanced individuals were artificially enhanced. The Inhumans don't belong to that category. And why should we exclude alien species? I'm not saying we should put the entire species in that category, only the enhanced aliens.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 13:50, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you're actually right about including enhanced aliens (like Nebula, I presume.) They match the definition after all. I should revise my statement. I think we could have a category also for Enhanced Humans, including human beings that were not born with supernatural abilities but acquired them later on; something like "Human Mutates", because we didn't ever split powered humans (Blizzard, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Absorbing Man, etc) from regular human beings, so far in this wiki. Just a suggestion, not that it's a vital one. I support your idea as well. Silacko (talk) 14:16, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't separate humans from "aliens". From the Kree point of view, humans are aliens. Having one category for "Enhanced Individuals" is simpler than having multiple categories for Enhanced Humans, Enhanced Kree, Enhanced Luphomoids, etc.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 15:29, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Anyone else?--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 14:20, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of an "Enhanced Individuals" Category, i have no problem with that. --Elledy92 (talk 19:11, January 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think "Enhanced Individuals" is the best choice.--Greater Good (talk) 12:29, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, a category for "Enhanced Individuals" should be made.AKA S.I.H (talk) 21:09, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree too. --HarveyWallbanger (talk) 08:52, February 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not see the need for it, but it is not somthing I am againstTomasDerksen (talk) 12:14, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Affiliation Template
Guys, I did another Template, now for the Affiliations, based on the Citizenship Template. Please take a look and tell me what do you think: Affiliation Template. And here is an example of how it shoul look.--Blaublau94 (talk) 07:28, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm in favor of this idea. You really go the extra mile with these templates.--Greater Good (talk) 12:31, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Blaublau94 (talk) 18:48, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I like it. This is really an admirable job you are doing.--Elledy92 (talk) 14:13, February 9, 2017 (UTC+1)
 * Thanks man!--Blaublau94 (talk) 18:48, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I like and support the idea. That's a great effort, especially the different variants of SHIELD and HYDRA icons. Silacko (talk) 13:16, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I really appreciate you guys.--Blaublau94 (talk) 18:48, February 9, 2017 (UTC)

Well, since I no opposite opinions, I will start applying the Template, and I really gonna need your help. Feel free to make the edits.--Blaublau94 (talk) 19:24, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I've got a question, though. Which HYDRA variant should be used for which cell? I know Ward's icon, and the antique society icons, but I can't differentiate the other variants. Thanks. Silacko (talk) 20:07, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * The information here should serve as a guide. Do you have any specific doubt?--Blaublau94 (talk) 22:40, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to make an explicit match between icons and cells, but I wasn't sure about Malick's, Strucker's, Whitehall's cells and the round table. I've inferred the following matching; is this correct?
 * HYD1 <-- 19th century, HYDRA Society
 * HYD2 <-- WW2, Red Skull's HYDRA
 * HYD3 <-- Malick's cell
 * HYD4 <-- Centipede Project
 * HYD5 <-- no idea honestly
 * HYD6 <-- Ward's cell
 * HYD7 <-- HYDRA Uprising, SHIELD cell
 * HYD? <-- Round table, Strucker, Winter Soldier program, Whitehall?
 * I made the list based on the "Members" section of the HYDRA page, but couldn't match most of the cells. Silacko (talk) 05:47, February 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, niceTomasDerksen (talk) 12:17, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

States
Hello people, I stumbled upon the fact that we have states of the US on the Wiki but not those of other countries. I propose we add the states of other countries we've seen through the MCU. Since we aren't alien-centric in the Wiki, I don't think we should be US-centric when it comes to the states; we go to the states category and only see states of the USA. We should others like the state of Rio de Janeiro (Rio's state) or New South Wales (Sydney's state). - Draft227 (talk) 16:06, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I see no point in this. Articles will be virtually identical to the ones of the main city, We already have some of them for countries like Canada or Italy because of their importance, and it is something that has to be decided on a case by case basis.--Shabook (talk) 18:23, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nah, as long as a regio (out side of the US ofcourse) is not mentioned by name (Like Tuscany was), they should only be made if a lot has happened there. By example, if not just Rio de Janeiro has been featured, but also a few other cities in the state.TomasDerksen (talk) 12:19, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

New articles
Since we are conflicting with the HYDRA situation, I am thinking now, should we create entire new articles for the characters and the organizations for this Framework reality and leave the established ones the way they are?--Blaublau94 (talk) 12:12, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * For now, I'll say we should wait and see. For the four characters that are trapped in the Framework, definitely no. It's part of their own history/biography...--Shabook (talk) 12:30, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Not new page, because they are the same characters trapped in a fictional reality, and not counterpart from a different universe. But we should add their new personal feature from the fictional universe, with the appropriate tag --Elledy92 (talk) 13:36, February 22, 2017 (UTC+1)


 * Another page should be made for characters that are not trapped in the Framework but that are part of it. Such as HYDRA or Ward. AKA S.I.H (talk) 13:02, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree with AKA, Ward and HYDRA are created in the computer, but Mack, Coulson and so on have their own minds inside it, so their profiles should be expanded to include what they do in the Framework, while we should make a Grant Ward (Framework) profile. Nerdtastic1221 (talk) 13:14, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * For the real people whose minds are trapped in the Framework we shouldn't make articles, that's obvious. Just put a new subsection in their biographies with the title "Trapped in the Framework", or "Life in the Framework". However, if, and that's a very big IF until April, if they encounter someone who is already dead in the real world but whom Aida had "resurrected" in the Framework (like Grant Ward), should we make new articles for them, that's what Blaublau is asking. I think we should. We already have articles for the LMDs, so we should also have articles for those programs. If Ward exists within the Framework, we'll name his article Grant Ward (Program), to distinguish him from his real-world counterpart. The same works for organizations and locations. We know HYDRA exists so we should name that article HYDRA (Program), the Triskelion should be Triskelion (Program), etc. But that's only if those programs all reappear in the next episode. If they don't, a small mention in the real locations and organizations should be enough. Does anyone have some other suggestions? --UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 13:16, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * We should use (Framework) instead of (Program) as tag.--Shabook (talk) 13:20, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Blaublau94 (talk) 13:23, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Similar point... Should the Aida vs May fight that occured inside the Framework be included on Aida's profile... Was she a digital recreation like Ward or did Aida plug herself into the Framework to fight May? Thoughts? Nerdtastic1221 (talk) 13:35, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that wasn't Aida plugging herself into the Framework but a digital recreation. --Bridgetterocks (talk) 13:44, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Or, maybe Aida, since she's a robot, can be in both the Framework and the real world at the same time. --UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 13:49, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with Uskok. We didn't need to create Aida ver.2 when she was rebuilt. Similarly, I think we don't need a separate article for "Aida (Framework)". It is the same consciousness living both in the robotic body and in virtual reality. As for the tag, I agree with Shabook; "Framework" makes more sense than "Program" does. -Silacko (talk) 13:58, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Since there's not much more to add, I agree that we should just add sections to real people trapped in the Framework and create articles for "resurrected" people and organizations ( Grant Ward (Framework) and HYDRA (Framework)). Dr.Who1997To The Playground 15:24, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I see that this situation has already been settled, but how would we handle a situation in which multiple LMDs of a character are made, each one with different programming. For example, if another LMD of Mack is made, how would we distinguish between the new one and the one destroyed at the Playground? SonOfAres1 (talk) 18:14, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * The same way we handled the situation with two Aidas.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 18:20, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I do agree with the new creation of articles but also I would suggest add certain events on the Biography of dead characters, like Grant Ward... Legacy or something. And what about a Timeline (Framework) article?? --Marvelous345678 (talk) February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think since the Framework is essentially another reality, I think that a Timeline article specifically for the Framework would be appropriate Zalarath (talk) 22:16, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad to know you do agree :D. But what about the rest...--Marvelous345678 (talk) February 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Some of the dead characters already have the Legacy section (Ward, for example) and a small mention about their Framework counterparts is okay. I'm not sure about the Framework timeline, though. The Framework is a virtual reality, a 3D video game (like Second Life or the Matrix), nothing more. One more thing. DO NOT put the Framework characters', locations', or organiations' appearances in their real world counterparts Appearances sections. The Framework Ward is not the real Ward. The Framework Ward's appearance should not be listed in the real Ward's Appearances section. The Framework HYDRA is not the real HYDRA. The Framework Triskelion is not the real Triskelion. This is just like the case of an LMD and his/her human counterpart. If they don't appear in the same episode, the LMD's appearances are not listed as the human's appearances and vice versa. The same works for the real humans, organizations and locations and their Framework counterparts. --UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters - Playground 19:25, February 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Framework page can serve as timeline page. Maybe add a section Timeline or something like that --User:Assassin1and2 (talk) February 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * We'll see how the season develops before. Timeline is not this wiki's priority.--Shabook (talk) 22:43, February 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, will see... but it was a suggestion if it will be approved great! --Marvelous345678 (talk) February 23, 2017 (UTC)