Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20190102035217

Yondu's Page (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: Haven't finished Runaways Season 2 yet, but I noticed that Yondu's page lists him as appearing in Ragnarok in a "bonus scene". It's referring to the blooper where Yondu shows up. But that was never meant to be taken seriously, so I don't know why that's listed as an appearance... Anyways, just had to say that. I'll reply to more stuff later once I finish Runaways season 2 Yeah that's kind of ridiculous. It's clearly in no way in a deleted scene but just a blooper fun thing they did when Michael Rooker was filming for the Guardians of the Galaxy - Mission: Breakout! ride. Marvelus has removed it now, I hope it's not replaced.

Runaways and Cloak & Dagger (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Me, too. Something I noticed was the "Runaways" finales tend to, how do I phrase it... run out of real estate and just hits the gas on us. But different showrunners have different ideas on how to structure a season finale and "Cloak & Dagger" had a better one, but imo, they were a smaller cast to deal with and "Runaways" had to juggle the Runaways, the fall of PRIDE, and the Gibborim. Both Runaways finales are a bit weird because they sort of focus more on moving things into place for the beginning of the next season rather than resolving the season that's just been. But it was Cloak & Dagger I was actually referring to falling flat in the finale. I'd been enjoying the season a reasonable amount but then I thought the finale was very predictable and didn't bother wrapping up most of the too-many things it had set up and there was another sky-beam and exactly what we thought would happen to O'Reilly happened and I don't know, it ended on quite a bum and forgettable note for me.

The two shows as a whole I think are decent. Runaways is quite light watching, so I don't think it ever really has the chances to hit the depth of something like Daredevil, but it's still generally a pretty pleasant and watchable show and doesn't tend to have actively bad parts like a misfire like Iron Fist: Season 1 or Inhumans: Season 1. Cloak & Dagger I think I slightly preferred mainly because it goes a bit deeper and a bit harder and allows more connection with the characters and events. I don't need everything to be heavy and definitely appreciate Runaways for being light watching and a bit of a breather, just I don't think it's as risky or allows itself many particular standout moments or episodes that would potentially make it a really good show.

PRIDE Don't Know About Aliens (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: If you really want to get into the gritty details of it, it can be argued the default position of a scientist is skepticism. Two isolated incidents like the Chitauri in New York or the Dark Elves in Greenwich doesn't technically pass scientific theory if you want to get technical with how science proves things. Both weren't controlled conditions so from a scientist's point of view, aliens aren't actually proven and verified. It was easier for PRIDE to believe Jonah was just another Tony Stark with trailblazing tech than an exiled alien magistrate stranded on Earth for 5000 years with knowledge of his race's comparatively advanced technology. And having one in their face is concrete. But yeah, I admit, it's a scene I need to rewatch because I didn't focus in on it like others did here. True, they might not have absolute scientific proof from that sort of standpoint, though I did feel the dialogue sounded like they were people who never encountered aliens before and their time with Jonah was their only reason for suspicion.

Marvelus wrote: I agree with @Mrmichaelt that PRIDE is still skeptical on aliens true nature and agree with himon everything he has said about the matter.

I think Leslie means Earth more than just Los Angeles. Marvelus wrote: This justs aadd to our reasoning that PRIDE is skeptical about everything questioning for a scientific explanation behind all that. If Tina does not believe in magic even when she sees it, I don't know why PRIDE wouldn't believe in aliens either even when New York happened 6 years prior. Yeah I agree that they might be sceptical about Jonah and looking for, or perhaps hoping for, a scientific explanation. I just don't think that the line is just "Wow, proof that Jonah is an alien!", it's, "Wow! Aliens exist!" as if there was no precedent for that - even if they are sceptical about New York and Greenwich, it's not like there's no precedent for aliens. But oh well. I'm happy to take the no-prize explanation of "They're just excited, as scientists, to see it with their own eyes."

Also the end of Season 2 I think shows that Tina does in fact believe in magic.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Even then we could postulate that Tina ascribes to Clarke's Third Law "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." What we call magic and a magic staff can be observed as dimensional energy being siphoned by advanced alien tech. More so with the MCU's grounded approach at explaining magic like in Doctor Strange the Ancient One I think attributed the universe to a computer that can be manipulated. Like aliens, you can really go down a rabbit hole trying to rationalize their mind set. I mean, if you're far away enough in the world, seeing news about aliens invading NYC seems fake. Like stories about Bigfoot attacking a cabin or giant squids sinking ships. It gets to be an exercise in futility, lol, but in the grand scheme of things, I think it's open ended enough that it's not a major deal breaker to continuity. I don't think the Battle of New York is as small of a thing as Bigfoot, where people could really doubt it (though obviously there would be conspiracy theorists like the real world). I'm therefore not sure that "sceptical" is the right word for how they might feel about the aliens, more like "awaiting personal experience to 100% fully believe". That's how I'm going to take it anyway, that they understand that it would perhaps be irrational to not believe in aliens after New York and Greenwich, but as scientists, they do want to see it for themselves to truly believe.

Yeah, didn't mean to start a big conversation about it as a continuity deal-breaker or anything. I was just highlighting that I thought the line was a bit odd.

The Punisher (Mrmichaelt, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Mrmichaelt wrote: As a refresher, what was the Lewis Wilson mistake? But overall, that's a relief we already got some solid dates off the bat with this new teaser. Late in the season, Frank recognises the voice of the New York bomber and realises it's the young man from Curtis' support group. He gives a description to Micro and Micro finds his identity: Lewis Wilson. He pulls up his driver license, which shows his date of birth is May 1991, and then Micro says moments later that he's "26", which (since it's late in the year), would make it late 2017 rather than late 2016. Everything else worked fine as 2016 until that one moment. It's exactly like the Aaron Davis mistake in Spider-Man: Homecoming where they show he was born April 1984 and say he's "33" rather than "32".

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I was almost certain Karen Page wouldn't be in Season 2 of The Punisher, I'm glad that the Collider article confirmed that she is in it. I wonder how much she will appear though.

At least it will be nice to see her post-DD S3, maybe she will even talk about the events/how much time has passed, etc. Guess it will be her last appearance. I'm glad she's in it. Any characters from cancelled shows getting another appearance makes me happy. Mike Colter has sort of hinted he might be in Jessica Jones: Season 3 as well.

A foreign Netflix account has let slip that the season is coming on the 18th, although the first reaction is worrying, to say the least.

Marvelus wrote: December 17th may work, however, if The Punisher S2 takes place around March 2018, Infinity War may have to move into April 2018, but I agree with you that the statement of The Punisher S2 not mentioning the Snap DOES NOT mean that it will before. It is a different statement. Great work on analyzing that letter by the way ;), so Donald Trump made a pardon for Frank Castle on March 1st 2018. Maybe, though if it's starting around late February/early March, hopefully, it should all fit in before the end of March.

Canon Books (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Just curious, but has Marvel Studios said on the record these books are canon? This was part of why I waited to buy them. They're kind of for younger readers so I doubt they're going to particularly entertain me, so I didn't want to waste money only to find out they were non-canon. Plus I didn't really know where to draw the line because there's a bunch of MCU books. But something about these was getting them more promoted and discussed, and it took me a while to realise (it also wasn't clear from some of the excerpts) that these are (albeit with quite a bit of recap in some of them) actual original stories, and the rest are adaptations, full ones or junior ones or kids' little book things about one scene or whatever.

As for canon, I think at this point that yes, they are. I think these four are pretty much official canon just without anyone high up having actually said it, which is a shame. Would be nice. But I believe these are the only four original story official canon MCU books, so I'm trying to catch them early now in case they keep bringing a few out a year and I get behind - plus, it's weird having watched and read everything in the MCU canon except for these.
 * Marvel promoted the first two especially when they don't promote the other books.
 * The "Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War" in the two Cosmic Quest books very much implies it's an official film tie-in.
 * Brandon T. Snider considers them part of the MCU timeline at least.
 * Marvel have run articles themselves about both Cosmic Quest books and how the first is set between Ragnarok and Infinity War and how the second is the aftermath of Infinity War: 1, 2.
 * It seems fairly clear that the Cosmic Quest books are canon at least and with the Heroes' Journey first book being promoted with it as part of a burst of "read official tie-in content before Infinity War" and the fact that books like Thanos: Titan Consumed do get specifically said to be non-canon, I'd definitely say the Heroes' Journey books are intended as official canon.

Marvelus wrote: Nice for you to collect the MCU Canon books, I don't know where to find them and I would love to have them along my MCU Blu Rays-DVDs collection They should be on Amazon, as well as places like eBay.

Write-Ups (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I will watch Cloak & Dagger over the next week, soon, I am watching AoS5, I am on episode 18. It is really great, I am enjoying even more now that I know what happens, but it has still some surprises, like Ivanov's appearance. Didn't see that coming. And I was surprises do tsee that Rise and Shine is mostly flashbacks.

About your plan and schedule to make the Timeline it's okay, if that is the way you work. Go ahead my man. In case you haven't noticed, I have written completely Runaways S2, but just the present day events.

Here, User:Marvelus/Cloak & Dagger, Runaways Season Two and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Six Timeline I put some specific days where I saw a mention of one. In case it helps :) I haven't had a look at your Runaways: Season 2 write-up but I saw that you had finished it and thank you so much for your willingness to do it and your effort.