Thread:Rodangizzardcrusher3/@comment-26687285-20160822213306/@comment-26687285-20170706004639

Rodangizzardcrusher3 wrote: Well, I wasn't exactly a 90s kid, so I never had a crush on Uma Thurman. I don't know why, because I cannot deny she wasn't beautiful in the 90s and still is quite so now, but I guess since she was a little older when I was a kid I didn't find her that attractive (this in itself is weird, since I still "jump" when I see what Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek and Marisa Tomei look like now, and that's before I start mentioning Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman). It's a bit like Carrie Fisher in a way, since I definitely would have had a crush on her if I grew up in the 80s (insert wolf-whistle and "Hello Nurse!" when watching Return Of The Jedi's Jabba scenes)

And I guess people thought Batman and Robin's tone was just a little too goofy for it's own good. The other films, Forever included, had their campier moments, but they still knew there was emotion and a story to tell. Batman and Robin does try to do this, e.g. Freezes' Backstory, Alfred falling ill, but much like Suicide Squad, a lot of the attempts at emotion feel out of place and unearned because there's so much forced lightheartedness (fun fact: when Joel Schumacher was asked to direct Forever, he originally thought he was going to be adapting the Year One storyline, and was disappointed when he found out this was what the studio wanted)

And unlike films like Suicide Squad or BvS, Batman and Robin at least had something crucial that those movies didn't: self-awareness. The actors are kind of like David Cross in Alvin And The Chipmunks, they know they're not in a good movie and most of them are just trying to pay for a new car or something but they're still having fun and want to make it as enjoyable as possible. I also really like the soundtracks to both of the Schumacher films. Elliot Goldenthal's re-imagined Bat-theme might not be as strong or memorable as Elfman's version, but it stays true enough to the original composition that it kind of feels like an evolution of that theme. And U2's Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me is one of my favorite rock-out titles ever.

And I think R. Kelly's Gotham City is not only very underrated, but has been completely misinterpreted by the public. I used to believe the same thing, that the song's meaning was about how wonderful and utopian Gotham was (which would only make sense given how kid-friendly and childish the film was). Only recently have I become aware that it's actually alot more melancholy and not nearly as disrespectful to, or inconsistent with, the nature of the Batman stories as people think.? He's not saying that Gotham IS a city of peace, love, etc. He's saying that he's "Looking over the skyline of the city" and seeing "Quiet nights in the midst of crime", "Children drowning in their tears", happiness followed closely by sorrow, and other awful things. And that the people need a nicer place to live, which again, if it's from Batman's PoV, he's trying to turn Gotham City into. This actually makes it all the more emotional when he says "...(we need) a place where everyone can have a hero... Even me...?"

Now granted, as much as I like this song, I'm not gonna pretend that a sappy pop balad like this isn't wildly inappropriate for a Batman film.I understand why fans would get pissed at a piece of sentimental fluf like this being the theme song of a film about the Dark Knight. But I still really like it, even though it's a bit crappy. The same goes for Seal's Kiss From A Rose.