Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180611162836

Deadpooled123 wrote: Billy Johnson could not be born in 2002, he was so much older in that prologue when Tyrone was 7/8 years old. That's what we were discussing, Billy should have been born around February 1990 based on the actor being about 17y2m old when they filmed the pilot.

I think what's happening here is that the idea is, on June 6, 2008, a little over a year after Billy's disappearance, Adina Johnson is still anxious, remembering the loss of her first son over and over (but viewing him as an innocent child, her little son she cared for so deeply), and is seeing her second son follow suit - her worst fear come true. This goes hand-in-hand with her comment, "I'm afraid that even if you do everything perfectly, I'm gonna lose you." She sees the missing symbols and they both show the current date because that's when she's worrying, and Billy's says he was born in 2002 I guess because it would make little sense to say 1990 but also show him as a child on the missing date of "6/6/08", with the height and weight and appearance of a child, the way she is seeing him. So the date of birth is more working back from how he is appearing in her mind than Billy's actual date of birth. However, just because this clearly cannot be Billy's actual date of birth does not mean Tyrone's is not real, because Tyrone genuinely was a child in 2008, and it could well be his real date of birth. If it is though, it could cause some problems, and...

Gerisama wrote: Yeah, maybe we should ignore this evidence. Also, I'm really curious for the upcoming episodes, as this 2 episode had been online in HD quality on a russian website since October, which can mean that there might have  been a larger production gap between this double-pilot and the rest of the series. ... as Gerisama says, maybe it should be dismissed. I wouldn't dismiss it yet, but the fact that it's just a vision and has a date of birth for Billy that doesn't make sense both allow some leeway if it needs to be ignored. It's the reason I haven't added the date to Tyrone's page - it's not necessarily factual yet. I'm kind of hoping someone will be more explicit at some point in the episodes about how old they are/when they were born/when the flashbacks were (I mean, the 2007-04-18 was very clear, but just to reiterate it)/when it is now. Any of those would be helpful.

I didn't know about that Russian website leak. Are we sure it was a double pilot? I assumed it was just Episode 1 as a pilot, they just happened to release both Episode 1 and 2 together. We know the production gap though, Wikipedia says (and it also calls it just the pilot "episode" not "episodes") they filmed early February to February 24, 2017 for the pilot, and then July 24-November 2, 2017 for the rest.

Also, the first trailer released in April 2017, so they'd only filmed the pilot then - and I think it only contains scenes from Episode 1. I might be wrong, I don't really have time to revisit it now.

The latest issue of Empire arrived today - it doesn't have any timeline information in its Ant-Man and the Wasp or Luke Cage pieces (at least, not that I can see from skimming the articles), but I thought I'd deliver some good news. Like with The Punisher, I'm seeing basically the first review out there because none are available yet but as a subscriber, I'm receiving the magazine early. And it's 4 stars out of 5. It's the first time since 2015 that Empire have given a Marvel Netflix show 4*. They went: And now 4* again for Luke Cage: Season 2. And rather than the usual where the critics get to only see the first 5-7 episodes of the 13, the critic has seen the whole season, and called it much more consistent than Season 1 and an improvement, "excellent". So good news! The trailer was fantastic and I'm really looking forward to starting it on the 25th or 26th once these exams are over...
 * Daredevil: Season 1 - 4*
 * Jessica Jones: Season 1 - 4*
 * Daredevil: Season 2 - no review
 * Luke Cage: Season 1 - 3*
 * Iron Fist: Season 1 - 3*
 * The Defenders: Season 1 - 3*
 * The Punisher: Season 1 - 3*
 * Jessica Jones: Season 2 - 3*

(Interestingly, unlike the Netflix shows, Empire have not given the Marvel films less than 4* since 2011. Every single one since 2011 has achieved 4* except for Civil War and Infinity War, which received 5*).