Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-2112031-20190522192811

Nox23 wrote: I understand that sentiment, I guess I just don't see different timelines as different continuities. I've been fascinated by periods like Fury's Big Week or the overlap of Jessica Jones S1/Agents of Shield S2 and how we have different things happening in different places but it's still all MCU. I can see myself accepting that some of these things take place in branching timelines but in the same MCU, still with a correct chronological viewing order which is why I got so interested in the timeline in the first place. It's just my way of thinking and I was just curious if that where your guys' heads were at too, doesn't seem like it and that's cool It's fine if you like that idea. I personally am not fond of it, since the whole point of the MCU is that it all takes place within the same shared universe, rather than in seperate unrelated timelines.

All such a thing would end up accomplishing is basically provide additional ammo to all the naysayers who've been denying the canonicity of all the MCU shows to just further dismiss them all as being non-canon.

Master Tej wrote:

The above is what I agree with. Half of all life disappearing means they lost somebody. Even with the overwhelmingly unlikely odds of the entire team in AoS surviving, there's still other factors to consider, like family - May's parents, Daisy's dad, Mack's brother or ex-wife, Davis' kid - all could have died, not to mention family or friends we don't know about.

To be sure, I'm not arguing that AoS takes place before IW. Like I said, the theory I posted previously was mainly something I posted so I could see it proved wrong. I know about as much about the timeline as the showrunners seem to - broad strokes that give me a decent idea but lead to mistakes without the smaller timeline details. So I'm not arguing for AoS being before IW, I'm just agreeing that this is maddeningly sloppy and careless by the AoS team - make no mistake, multiple people in S.H.I.E.L.D., whether main or side characters, lost somebody to the Snap. A year on, the world would still be in mourning and chaos. Look at the US with 9/11 - we still have moments of silence every year on the day of. The cleanup of the WTC site took 9 months. The Snap was an event that, to its fictional universe, was several times larger and more catastrophic. As we see in Endgame, the world still bears the scars of Thanos even 5 years on, and we should see the same in AoS.

I wish AoS had a larger following of fans to cause more of an uproar over this - maybe, at that point, they'd change their tune and at least overtly acknowledge the Snap, even if only in small ways. I don't quite agree that the world would necessarily be in chaos 1 year after the snap. If anything, Endgame suggested that Earth was doing relatively well compared to other places in the universe. They had the Avengers to maintain order, they got confirmation of Thanos' death and the destruction of the Infinity Stones, meaning that, as far as they knew, their loved ones were gone forever, but at least there's no threat of similar decimations in the future.

The 9/11 comparison doesn't quite work because there really isn't any kind of fear of future attacks and the culprit is dead. The threat, for all intents and purposes, is over and done with.

Yes, people are going to mourn and have trouble adjusting, as seen with the people Captain America was talking to and, of course, the Avengers themselves. But we also see that business are running, people are still going to work and doing their jobs and kids are asking the Hulk for autographs. Life moved on, albeit slowly and reluctantly.

The agents, of all people, are the ones most likely to accept that there's no going back (as far as they know) and that the only choice is to move forward and try to protect those who remain.

Master Tej wrote:

Another quick question - I read somewhere that a recent official MCU guidebook published a full timeline that claimed some icky stuff, like Iron Man taking place in 2010 and Fury's Big Week in 2011 (to coincide with, I suspect, Fury's line in Avengers about the Puente Antiguo incident being "a year prior"). Is this something with which anybody is familiar?

- Master Tej - There are a lot of contradictory dates regarding the timeline from Iron Man to The Avengers. The User BEJT wrote a blog on the matter which calculated the most likely dates using all of the available evidence.