Thread:BEJT/@comment-27496405-20170830154244/@comment-26838855-20171108174916

CirUmeUela wrote: Thanks man, sorry I've been avoiding this page until I saw Ragnarok.

So do you think we know enough for me to add Ragnarok to my timeline right now? There's only one flashback to add, when Loki induces Valkyrie's memory of fighting Hela. Then the rest of it goes in 2017. I just don't know if it would be concurrent with AoS season 4 at all.

Also before I start on the Netflix shows, I'm kinda dubious about the placement. With the official timeline coming out (who knows when), I feel like it will mess up the placement of Netflix stuff on here. Will you guys just ignore the official one if it puts the TV side way out of whack? I'm not sure how to proceed. I guess what I'm saying is, how sure are we on the placement of the Netlfix stuff as it is on the timeline currently? Ragnarok we have after Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4. Currently, until further evidence, it is placed around June 2017. The flashback goes just before the 965 A.D. stuff.

The Netflix placements are pretty set in stone. Despite the fact that Daredevil: Season 1 places itself no more than 3 years after The Avengers, it cannot be moved back further than January 2015, absolute maximum late 2014. It will just have to be counted as another irreconcilable error. But the Netflix shows are set in stone.

The problem is if Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has to move to accommodate the "official timeline", then its placements in relation to the Netflix stuff could change. However, I would also consider that it could be a while until that timeline is released. It's your decision.

Two quick things about the Netflix stuff - the Fisk flashbacks between Daredevil: Season 1 and 2 I still need to correct, and some of the exact times of day/order things happen on in the overlap of Daredevil: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 1 I need to tweak a little bit.

BardicFire wrote: Hello! Joining the conversation, been lurking here a long time as I work on my fan project and because I'm a huge fan and regularly consult the timeline.

I come bearing a gift, which is the very very VERY early stages of my fan project, Earth-19999 The Series. My goal is to take the entire MCU and edit it into hourish long episodes, with all scenes in chronological order. I'm very close to being done with InDev Stage 1, and since Defenders and Inhumans haven't been added to the timeline I felt it was time to consult others on the next step.

I think yall might find it useful, Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tI39tIXN0Dvhz4IlEiP4lnGuQ8j1cVrsICt8Q610jzQ

sidenote: what is with practically everything released in 2017 being set in 2016? Hi BardicFire, welcome to the discussion. That's some really thorough work of exact scenes, and I may well use that as a resource at times. I like your idea of "Earth-19999: The Series".

Well, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4 and Thor: Ragnarok are 2017. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is 2014, and then, yeah, Iron Fist, Spider-Man: Homecoming, The Defenders, and Inhumans all should be 2016.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Hm we have Thor Ragnarok in mid 2017, specifically June 2017, it is two years after Age Of Ultron, and "technically" is on top Civil War and on top of Homecoming, as Taika Waititi said. Over a year after Civil War and 9 months after Homecoming. It is on top technically.

Nah, we agreed that the Netflix Shows will be unremoved, they are strongly placed on their respectives years, and Feige said that they were using movies for the Main Timeline, indirectly, confirming Netflix Placements. We have screen dates for Jessica Jones, Daredevil 2, Luke Cage and Defenders and now The Punisher. The three have 2015 dates and the last two have 2016 ones. But the comments about being like few years since the Battle of New York will have to be ignored, sadly.

Also it is like they are going to say that Civil War was last year (in Infinity War) and late 2017-early 2018 works perfectly for our timeline.

Also, like BEJT said, the timeline is not law, it will be important but flexible, and this has to be extremely flexible. So don't be afraid about the Netflix Shows and Thor: Ragnarok they are firmly in their respectives years. It wasn't Taika, it was Brad Winderbaum, and he was only vaguely saying that it was around the time of Captain America: Civil War and Spider-Man: Homecoming, specifically saying "maybe" and "somewhere in that ball park." It wasn't a confirmation. Since we know it can't, it's fine - but "on top" can't mean a year later.

What you've said about late 2017-early 2018, is that for Infinity War do you mean?

Yeah, this official timeline will be taken as strong evidence to work with, but it cannot overrule everything.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I took my time to check it properly and dude, what an awesome work, you two have done a great job when it comes to the MCU Timeline and thanks for trusting in us, it means a lot.

Inhumans is likely to be in-between the [[:File:Terrigen Map.jpg
 * 17 months and 21 days]] since May 2015 to October 2016, as the Inhuman Outbreak is shown to be "recent", it is unlikely to be after Season 4, and after the bad reviews I seriously doubt they will make references to the show, which is a shame. Defenders is before Inhumans, and before Civil War, two months after Iron Fist's ending which is the last days of February 2016, so May 2016, Jessica Jones is 18 months after Kilgrave's flashbacks of him meeting her, a year after Jan 20, 2014... so the earliest and the best has to be in March-April 2015, shortly after Daredevil Season One, check the 2015 article references for more information, then Luke Cage is shown to be during Harlem's Founders' Day which is in November 30th, and it is months after Jessica Jones and concurrently with Daredevil Season 2, which has a scene with Christimas, time after, but not too much, after The Attack on the Hand AKA Elektra' death. Iron Fist is in early 2016, the Chinese New Year 2016 (Monkey) is there, and it is two months before Defenders whichs is a year after but several months after Elektra's death, it has a 2016 date as well as the Punisher which is a year after Daredevil Season 2 events. So Netflix Shows has to be in the region of 2015-2016, ignoring their release dates which was confirmed by Feige, real time is not happening anymore.

Then, Homecoming has to be set in 2016, two months after Civil War which is in May-June 2016 confirmed by the movie and other references to past events as tie in with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., all of that is in the 2016 article as you can see.

Thanks for trusting in us for the overlap events by the way. ;) Agreed, people who follow and trust the timeline we put so much work into is a very nice feeling and we're very grateful.

Inhumans makes a vague Sokovia Accords reference in Episode 6, so is post-June 2016, and is most likely before the end of the big Terrigen outbreak, due to end in October 2016. A rumour also said that Scott Buck had claimed that royal family know about Quake, though did not have an exact quote of what they meant by "Quake" - just Daisy, or specifically the vigilante Quake? But Quake started operating in July 2016. We currently have it placed halfway between late June 2016 for Civil War and late October 2016 for the end of the outbreak - late August 2016, in our draft, which also works with the Quake thing. It's a weird one, because unless the finale surprisingly drops some big timeline evidence, that's almost certainly it... I don't think that's ever happened before, that we end a season a little unsure and know that most likely, there will never be any more evidence, because the characters have a high chance of never appearing again. It's the first time we've had to just sort of make an educated guess.

The Netflix stuff I think is mostly explained in the references. But yeah, they're pretty set in stone, and The Defenders appears to be May 2016, which is supported by all the statements that have been made, and the recent information that The Punisher might be 6 months after he burned his house at Christmas in Daredevil: Season 2.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Taika Waititi said that Stark and Thor were together for two years so it confirms that Winter Soldier has to be in early 2014, so 1.5 years after Age of Ultron takes place, obviously it proves that Winter Soldier is in October 2013 as the movie seems to indicate for a prop, and Age of Ultron is definitely in 2015, so Thor: Ragnarok is in 2017, and Civil War has to be in late or mid 2016 thanks to that over a year since Sokovia comment made by Zemo I think he's saying between Thor: The Dark World and Avengers: Age of Ultron - more evidence for 2013 and 2015 respectively (thus dragging Phase One later because of Darcy's comment). But nice catch, hadn't seen that interview.

CirUmeUela wrote: So if Ragnarok is on top of Civil War, I guess I'll have to wait until that's all figured out. But currently Civil War is placed entirely in 2016, but Ragnarok is in 2017 so I don't see how that can be.

I'm not sure what you're saying about Feige. How does him using only movies for the official timeline confirm the Netflix placements? Did Feige specifically mention the TV shows in relation to the official timeline they're making? As far as I know, he just didn't mention the TV shows at all. But maybe you know something I don't.

And of course I'm happy to use the wiki timeline as my source. You guys really know what you're doing :) And if it all gets messed up later on, I'll just have to make a lot of changes on my timeline, which will suck but "c'est la vie" Don't worry about the "on top of" statement. Brad Winderbaum's response was very much an arbitrary approximation and he made that clear. If I were you, I would place Ragnarok after Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4, as I don't see any harm in that, but obviously it's completely up to you.

99% sure the Kevin Feige film timeline will ignore the TV shows. I think Marvelous was just saying that despite Feige's timeline, the Netflix shows will be set in stone.

Yeah... the workload and stress that's going to come from this disaster of a timeline... *sigh* ... but again, thank you so much for your reliance on us.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Well lets see. When Taika was asked about when Ragnarok took place he said that he didn't remember (I think) but it was on top of Civil War and Homecoming. Of course, it can't be so to match everything we put Ragnarok in June 2017. It is not too far from Homecoming so...

Feige said about the timeline that real time was not the main rule for the placements (using Thor as an example, meaning that it won't be happening in November 2017 as released), he also said that despite some newspapers and props there are no specific dates.

Here we choose which fits the best always. Sometime real time. Sometimes we do not. Sometimes we use props (Thor 2 and Luke Cage) sometimes we do not (Doctor Strange, Homecomin). So this allows us not to use real time when we build the timeline.

TV Shows tend to follow the movies and they are part of the MCU, so thanks to Feige's comments, we know thst the MCU follows props and sometimrs real time. So I assume it does apply to TV Shows too. And why not? Winderbaum's (not Waititi's) exact comment was "It's not like, five minutes after Ultron ends we start this movie. It's a couple years later... This movie takes place basically... You know, it's hard. In the timeline of the MCU, things kind of happen on top of each other, especially now in Phase Three. They're not as interlocked as they were in Phase One, you know, during Fury's Big Week and everything. So [Thor: Ragnarok] happens maybe on top of Civil War, on top of Spider-Man [Homecoming]. Somewhere in that ball park."

Feige's comment about real time was very frustrating - it seemed to be an assumption that the people who were flummoxed by "8 years later" were confused because they just assumed the films were set in 2012 and 2016/17. Obviously, this is not the case. I'll also be finishing my 8 years blog update soon.

CirUmeUela wrote: OK I see what you're saying. Well we know Ragnarok starts near the end of Doctor Strange because that post credit scene was shown at the beginning of Ragnarok. By the way did anyone else notice that there are a few discrepancies between Ragnarok and Doctor Strange in that scene? Thor says "so Earth has wizards now" standing up, not sitting down like in the Doctor Strange post credits scene. It's a minor thing but I noticed that. I did wonder about that quote. I thought, "I remember that quote, was it in the Doctor Strange scene? Because this bit wasn't in the Doctor Strange scene..." I forgot to check that, but you've told me now. There's also just the fact that the scene is a bit longer in Thor: Ragnarok, but that's not a problem.

BardicFire wrote: @CirUmeUela - Yeah I was looking yours over and initially was like "well shit all my work is for nothing" but then realised you aren't doing Scene by Scene but just chronological. the time stamps will definitely be helpful, I wanted to get just a raw list compiled and was also kind of enthusiastic about doing another watchthrough quickly so I decided I'll do time stamps on round 2.

I'll do some digging with my next watchthrough, it definitely makes sense Defenders be set in 2016, and it seems this is mostly caused by the Netflix shows being set close to each other but then having to take a year for production, so we end up with a bunch of them together.

Ragnarok's only real reference to time seems to be the 2 years comment, and the fact that it's after Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange we've determined ends in 2017, which means Ragnarok has to happen this year, even if thats more like 3 years than 2. 2 years should be taken as human error of giving vague dates. Yeah, I dropped the message on your wall when I saw your question about The Defenders. There is a tiny November 2016 date on Jessica's laptop, but that's a standard MCU minor error, and everything else lines up with May 2016. Charlie Cox said a couple of times that it's "6 months" since Daredevil: Season 2, which is firmly in November 2015, Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick both said it's a couple of months since Iron Fist: Season 1, which ends on March 1, 2016. It is said to be "months" since Danny left New York, which was in late February, "months" since he started to hunt the Hand on March 1st, "months ago" was Elektra's resurrection at Christmas 2015, Jessica killing Kilgrave wasn't too long ago, Luke doesn't seem to have been imprisoned for more than about 5 months, there is some tiny lumps of leftover snow at the bases of trees which would ideally place this a month or two earlier, seeing as the last of the snow probably occurred a week or two before, but it can't be earlier. And now The Punisher has been said to supposedly be 6 months after he moved on (when he burned down his house at Christmas in Daredevil), and will almost certainly (considering Karen's involvement) be post-Defenders.

Nah, the 2 years lines up fine. It's been 2 years since Age of Ultron, set in May 2015. The other evidence is the numerous times cast and crew have said 2 years, and Tom Hiddleston saying it's 4 years since The Dark World - and of course it appears to be a few months at least since Doctor Strange.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: If we can make mistakes by giving vague dates... Why the people in MCU cannot?

I think Netflix Phase Two will be in disorder. Luke Cage Season 2 can be after Jessica Jones when this one is released before. There is not going to be Defenders Season Two so... Human error is why when I do the maths, it doesn't have quite as much value as specific on-screen "March 1942"s for example. It's the reason why Phase One can just about work if you fudge Nick Fury's line about Thor being last year as a slight human error. The guy's very busy, it's far from impossible that he slightly misremembered.

I'll be interested in the Netflix "Phase Two" timeline. I'm sure Iron Fist: Season 2 will be after Luke Cage: Season 2, considering Danny will appear in that show first, and I guess a lot of the rest of the timeline depends on crossovers. I did wonder how it would work with Danny, as where we leave him at the end of The Defenders is an interesting position for his character, but reliant on the belief that Matt is dead, and with Daredevil: Season 3 due for around autumn 2018, but Iron Fist: Season 2 not due till around winter 2018-19, surely Danny would know Matt's alive by the time we pick up? Well, now we know he'll be in Luke Cage: Season 2, that might be where they deal with that character arc with him. It's perfectly possible that they remain chronological, but also possible they don't, or overlap again. I am also very interested in Daredevil: Season 3, which will be released probably over a year after The Defenders, but surely can't be more than a few months later? Which would mean the Netflix shows lag to about 2 years behind real time. Unless he spends a long time in secret recovery and talking to his mother.

I think there will be a Season 2 of The Defenders. There's been mixed reports about its success on Netflix but if Iron Fist can get a second season, so will The Defenders.

Right, I think that's everything...