Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180525084519

CirUmeUela wrote: Interesting, can you explain why you think it's not that complicated? I'll explain in the full, detailed explanation I'll get to finishing soon. But basically, it's just one timeline that splits off into two on January 11, 2018.

CirUmeUela wrote: And how exactly have you watched them chronologically already? lol Errr... no comment😳. Look, I'm not a fan of doing whatever I may have done... but I didn't watch the film through, aside from the morals of it, I find it also doesn't allow for the full experience and the film deserves a better experience. But I had to use such methods to get the timings of the final scenes and work out how it all lines up.

CirUmeUela wrote: You guys should check out this, it was done by some friends of mine:

https://youtu.be/zzuw1hNWvfM

https://youtu.be/BADcwHAigSc That's awesome! They're pretty professionally-made, I really like it.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, we can basically assume at this point that Robin can see multiple possible futures, with the most likely universe being most prevalent in her visions.

Fitz living to the future doesn't really contradict it, as he enters cryosleep in both timelines. The agents were sent to a future where the Earth was destroyed and encountered a version of Fitz who had remained in cryosleep for 74 years because his counterpart did not die in the Battle of Chicago.

We've basically seen three versions of Fitz: One who traveled to the present, survived to the lighthouse and fathered at least one daughter with Jemma. One who traveled to the present and died in the Battle of Chicago. And one who is still in cryosleep in present day (ostensibly "our" Fitz).

Technically speaking, the Fitz we see entering cryosleep is not strictly speaking the same one we see wake up in 2091. "Our" Fitz will be woken up in present day, whereas that Fitz spent 74 years in cryosleep. This Fitz has only diverged from the previous Fitz for about 3 hours though (and has made no different decisions or anything in that time, since he's asleep). I'm sure that they stem from the same timeline. Deke's multiverse theory basically discusses how the timelines branch off as you go along. They're like two trouser-legs from the same original top part.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It seems the most likely scenario, at least based on what we saw in the episode. Yeah, I like that as an explanation.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, I agree Future Yo-Yo's dialogue and the footage of Daisy yelling at Coulson in the Quinjet being the same suggests that things were still the same up to that point. There are plenty of possibilities as to how things could have gone wrong. I think they've technically diverged by that point. I think in the original timeline, Coulson didn't put the Centipede into her gauntlet (I don't think that the difference was just that Daisy didn't notice it in the original timeline). However, I'm just saying, I don't think Coulson took the serum in either timeline. It's not like him. So at that point, in either timeline, Daisy's still angry at him for not taking it. The behaviours are the same.

Writing this, I've just come to a conclusion. I think the best divergence point would be Daisy's choice. "Phil Coulson is dying, and we have to let him," Yo-Yo said. Is Daisy's choice that she sees the serum but decides not to take it, hoping for Coulson to take it? She can't make the decision to let Coulson die? And in this new timeline, she does, and that splits the timeline. The only problem is that the building falls on Fitz moments before, which didn't happen in the original timeline. So, technically, I guess, the divergence point is them saving Mack and Polly. But moments later, Daisy makes the new decision. The fact that, unknowingly, she's in a new timeline, sort of means that the universe is now allowing her to make that decision - she may not know it, but she's no longer bound by fate and predetermined future.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah. Although, looking back on the final scene, Daisy asks Mack "where to?" and we don't get to see his reply. So it's possible that they could have intended to fly to Wakanda to help.

Based on your calculations, there is no way that they could have gotten there in time. Maybe, but yeah, they wouldn't have made it. Depends how much they knew about what was going on. Fury and Hill only just found out about the bogies over Wakanda mere seconds before people started disappearing.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, Earth-616 in the comics works exactly the same way. The timelines seen in Days of Future Past and Age of Apocalypse were designated Earth-811 and Earth-295 respectively after they were both prevented from ever happening.

It's difficult to say how these designations are decided. Sometimes they're an in-joke, such as how Earth-1987 (an Earth where She-Hulk was still a member of the Fantastic Four) is a reference to the fact that 1987 is the last year in which She-Hulk was a member of their team.

Most of the time there doesn't really seem to be any real meaning to it. My best guess would be that "Earth-199999" is a easier to remember than "Earth-174928". I wonder just how random it is.

I hadn't even considered this, but Cloak & Dagger is not set in present day, apparently. It is actually set in "post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans" (1, 2), so 2005-2006 sort of time. That's kind of fun, I like this idea of pre-Iron Man stuff, filling out the universe as not just starting at that film - AKA I Want Your Cray Cray, Captain Marvel, possibly Black Widow, and Cloak & Dagger. Also, means we don't have to deal with any difficulties with the Infinity War snap.