Thread:SwagMasterDbl/@comment-29362220-20171207164550/@comment-26838855-20180303234736

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah man I totally know it os a Ragnarok reference, but if so... That means Infinity War has happened also. That is what it means, Thor's ship is caught by the Sanctuary II and some Asgardians manage to get to Earth. It doesn't mean Infinity War has happened, but if the worst comes to the worst it could be reinterpreted as an Infinity War thing or just a random thing. It was very vague. I just think if Infinity War had happened, Noah would be a bit more concerned with the invading aliens working for an unstoppable man gathering the most powerful objects in the universe to cause utter devastation than one Asgardian being spotted.😂 Marvelous 345678 wrote: Hey let's not worry. With Infinity War moving up one week and the showrunners saying that they won't tie in with them that means that they are totally trying to get away from that timeframe. Yeah, it's good to put things into perspective sometimes that in the grand scheme of things, the timeline of a fictional world is not the be-all and end-all. Let's not worry too much. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Also SHIELD is apparently ending so You're so determined for AoS to end.😂 There's been no news about that. All we've heard is that they're "cautiously optimistic" about a Season 6 but that the show has been on borrowed time for a few years now and so we shouldn't hold our breath, and that the showrunners are prepared for if Season 5 is the end.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Having the rest of Season 5 occur post-Infinity War would indeed help in keeping events seperate and simple. The unfortunate thing is that we'll have to wait until Avengers 4 in order to see what a post-Thanos Invasion world would look like, although I'm guessing that the world at large would eventually go back to normal.

The only problem with all of that is that Thanos' invasion would almost certainly come up in dialogue, although I suppose we can assume that such conversations all happened off screen. Exactly. It's going to be very annoying if we have to wait a whole year before we find out how this all slots in. But a lot could be thrown up in the air in the next year timeline-wise. And I agree, it would be very weird for Thanos' invasion to just be something that happened unmentioned between Rewind and now. Let's just take things as they come. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Well Spider-Man 2 is "minutes" after Avengers 4 so I wouldn't worry about it. If Thanos' invasion has already happened Noah might have not told them because he does not want to worry or who knows. It's been possibly 5-6 months since, the world is more calm. If it has to be like that, sure. But it would be much better if we're just pre-Infinity War. CirUmeUela wrote: When did the showrunners of SHIELD say there is no tie in with Infinity War? Do you have a link to an article? Also, that Asguardian could be anyone. It could be Sif, because we know she is exiled from Asguard by Loki. It could be Odin who had been on Earth for quite a while after Dark World. There's nothing to suggest it has to be Thor that Noah is referring to. Yeah the Asgardian doesn't have to be Thor, but it seems to have been intended like that. It doesn't really affect the timeline though, it would just suggest we're post-Ragnarok, which we are. And Marvelous answered about them saying there will be no Infinity War tie-in. CirUmeUela wrote: Also yes, the timeline stuff is very frustrating, but aside from all that, Marvel Studios is killing it. And remember that Joe Russo said this: "The Marvel Universe is sprawling - the Marvel Cinematic Universe is enormous. Just think of all the characters that haven't been introduced yet that are going to be introduced by the time that we're working on Infinity War. We have a tough task just telling the stories of the characters who exist [on the big screen] in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, let alone adding the entire Marvel Television universe. … Anything is possible in the Marvel Universe. It's certainly something we're considering. But our focus is on telling the stories of the characters that currently exist on the movie side." (Source)

I'm not suggesting that TV characters will show up in the movies anytime soon, but they at least aren't saying they don't exist in the same universe at all. It's something being considered by Marvel Studios at the very least and that means it's still connected, even if it is very loosly connected at this point. The point being, it's all still canon, and that's not going to change. I have a feeling that this new Disney streaming service might provide some more TV-movie crossover.

With the new series they are making for it, maybe it will be seen as much more "legitimate" in the eyes of Marvel Studios/Disney. Maybe they will do short films or direct to streaming films on there. I just feel like with all of Marvel Studios films on the streaming service and new Marvel shows on there, there might be more of an effort to make them interconnect, because the Mouse says so. Only time will tell of course but that's what I theorize right now. Yeah, Phase Three has been fantastic. And I wasn't suggesting the TV shows are non-canon or anything, but the films are definitely working off their own timeline ignorant of the shows.

BardicFire wrote: The possible Punisher reference was in the same line as the Ragnarok ref "A Senator tried to delete FBI files" or something to that effect, I said it might be a reference because it sounded like something from Punisher but I wasn't entirely sure. It's possible as a reference to Ori or someone like that, but I would doubt it. I think if they were making a reference to The Punisher, they'd probably be a bit more explicit. Gerisama wrote: The Ragnarok reference I think wants to allude to Thor's time in NY. Maybe according to their schedule Thor' visit to Earth was happened in the October-November 2017( close to the real world release date), that's why Noah references to it as a recent happening ( the pictures people took with Thor, or of Loki might still be getting viral).

Or it was Sif looking for Thor.

I honestly dont believe we are post-infinity war I don't believe we are either. If it turns out that they're in December 2017-January 2018 sort of time, it makes sense to push Ragnarok along and factor in this mention as evidence. If it's July 2018 it's still worth factoring in, but it's not going to make a big difference to the Ragnarok placement, because it has to be taken as less likely to be a reference to Thor visiting New York, or just as something that happened since the S.H.I.E.L.D. team were taken but not particularly recently. Mister Explicit wrote: If those two are references, then that means that Punisher and Thor: Ragnarok take place in the same time frame... that's a problem, considering what we have right now. Nah, it's unlikely to be a reference to The Punisher anyway, and if it is, it's not a specific reference to something that happens during the season, just what one of the characters is up to. Plus the references don't have to have all just occurred. Marvelous 345678 wrote: If it was a Ragnarok reference, we might be considering in moving it to late 2017, the middlepoint between June and October is Late August, 2017 Again, let's wait and see. Once we know where we are in the timeline at the moment we can factor it in. I do believe that Ragnarok will likely move a bit later at some point, but for now, it's good where it is with the evidence we have available. CirUmeUela wrote: That Punisher "reference", it was something like "the policitian who deleted his FBI files". Are we thinking that might be William Rawlins? It could also be some sort of sly jab at Trump. They've done a few of those political "jokes" this season and last season. Like when Melinda says to Deke "Yeah it's like someone should make rules about who owns gusn" or something like that. I was thinking BardicFire might be referring to Senator Ori. But I, too, thought it might be a jab at something happening in the current political climate. Like you say, they've had the gun control joke and there was the alternative facts line in Season 4 and things like that. Mister Explicit wrote: Maurice.136 wrote: So will the television series be removed from the MCU or non-canon since it's becoming even more distant from the MCU? No. Never. Exactly, no. It would be a massive middle finger to not only the fans but the thousands of people who have worked on all those shows over the years.