Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190220204855

Hi guys. I'm back from a hectic 2 weeks where I couldn't do much work. Thanks Ozzzo for the heads up, these things slip through the cracks sometimes.

I just thought I'd reraise some of the unsolved current problems. BEJT wrote: Day C4, Thursday? [Thursday, January 11th? or Tuesday, January 9th]
 * 1) Captain Marvel Prelude: Any further opinions other than Mrmichaelt and Marvelus about the fact that the Syria scene seems to flow from the Avengers: Infinity War Syria scene but has several continuity errors if that is the case - whether we should take them as subsequent nonetheless or whether we should treat them separately because the errors are irreconcilable.
 * 2) I've done some more thinking about the problem of the 2018 page, and I'm thinking that we should go ahead with changing "March" to "Spring/Summer" for the next couple of months and remove the numbers (and tweak the references accordingly), but don't want to do it if anyone thinks that's a bad idea. However, I've slightly changed my mind about how to do the days, where I suggested initially to do "Monday 1", "Tuesday 1"... "Saturday 1", "Sunday 1", "Monday 2", "Tuesday 2" etc. or "First Monday", "First Tuesday"... "First Saturday", "First Sunday", "Second Monday" etc., but the numbers could be confusing, mixing up with date numbers, and the words could be confusing if someone interprets it as "the first Monday of Spring", "the first Tuesday of spring", etc.. So it might just be best (and cleaner) to do "Monday", "Tuesday"... "Saturday", "Sunday", "Monday", "Tuesday etc.. While it's not ideal because it doesn't show that every day follows (you could potentially think "But maybe that Tuesday isn't just the day after the Monday, it just says "Tuesday", could be a few weeks + 1 day later), the content and the fact that most of the days have something happening in them should hopefully make that clearer, plus the references, and it is cleaner. So yeah, thoughts? I think it's the best solution for now.
 * 3) Runaways: Season 2 Gert and Chase "Thursday": To reiterate, there's a problem in Runaways: Season 2 where on one day, Gert and Chase have a discussion that appears to say it's Thursday, but then what appears to be 8 days later is specifically said by Victor to be Wednesday, so either 8 days do pass between those scenes (making the Gert and Chase scene actually a Tuesday) or there's an extra 5 days that pass in the time between those scenes than there appeared to be, which is just about possible, and would allow them to be both Thursday and Wednesday respectively. So I'd still be interested in whether people think that "the Gert and Chase scene can just be a Tuesday despite the implication of the scene, allowing 8 days before the Wednesday scene" or "there should be 13 days between the Gert and Chase scene and the Wednesday scene, allowing them both to work even if it's a stretch" is the better option. I'll quote the part from my Season 2 notes, deleting the irrelevant parts, so you can look at the two options and the notes relating to them for the full picture. Since I didn't write the events like I usually do, you might want to remind yourself what happened in each episode for when I just refer to "Episode X Minute Yish to Minute Zish".
 * Episode 4 Minute 6ish to end.
 * "It is starting to feel like it's all just Tuesday now. No wait, Wednesday. No wait, it is Tuesday." "Think it's actually Thursday..." "Ha, whatever..." Sounds like it's Thursday. Edit: There's a problem since what appears to be 8 days later and is definitely at least 7 days later is said to be "Wednesday", which doesn't work. We might have to revise this and assume that maybe it is actually Tuesday and Gert is joking.
 * Karolina has voicemails from Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and another one at the top that I can't read that might also just be Thursday, which would fit with this being Thursday.
 * It's term time at Atlas. Since it's a Thursday, the earliest it should really be is Thursday, January 11th, as most schools went back Monday, January 8th. It especially shouldn't really be earlier since we already had to assume their term went on one week later than most schools', to December 22nd. That would mean inserting several days in the few available gaps, but it's just about possible. The 11th really is the latest possible Thursday, there's no stretching it further than that I feel. Edit: If it's Tuesday, it's Tuesday, January 9th.
 * Episode 5 beginning to Minute 13ish.

Day C5, Friday? (C4 is Thursday?) [Friday, January 12th? or Wednesday, January 10th?]
 * Episode 5 Minute 13ish to end.
 * "Guess it's just one of those days." "To be fair, haven't they all been those kinds of days since we ran?" "I don't know, think there was one Thursday in there that was pretty normal." Sounds like it's been a few Thursdays since they went on the run, and the tone implies it's been a while anyway. I think this is now Friday, January 12th, which works with term time, so they had Thursday 28th, 4th, and 11th since they went on the run. This is just about enough weeks for them to be joking about "one Thursday", as if there's been numerous. But as mentioned, it cannot really be later than Friday 12th, because it's really pushing it. Edit: If it's Wednesday then it might be Wednesday, January 10th, which is a bit more problematic because there's only been 2 Thursdays but I guess it's still enough weeks in general to be saying "there was one day in there (which was a Thursday)".
 * Episode 6 beginning to Minute 11ish.

Day C6, Saturday? (C4 is Thursday?) [Saturday, January 13th? or Thursday, January 11th?]
 * Episode 6 Minute 11ish to end.

Day C7, Sunday? (C4 is Thursday?) [Sunday, January 14th? or Friday, January 12th?]
 * Episode 7 beginning to Minute 45ish.
 * "2 months ago, our biggest issue was that there were no vegan options in the cafeteria." OK, so this has to be more than 1 month after December 8th (otherwise you'd say "1 month ago"), so that finalises it - this cannot be Sunday, January 7th, it has to be at least Sunday, January 14th. That means that them being in school during term time 3 days prior is essentially forced to work, because it has to be no earlier than Thursday 11th. So that's sorted. It does mean we have to slip some not-easy gaps in during early episodes, but I'm kind of glad that this, like Season 1, means that we're not just slipping in gaps to make certain things awkwardly work but are actually slipping in gaps to fit what the show is telling us. While "2 months ago" would suggest this is more like 1.5 months since December 8th, there's no way it's later than January 14th, we're already really pushing it. So yeah, I think this secures it. No earlier than January 14th, no later than January 14th. It's January 14th. Edit: It might have to actually be Friday, January 12th.

Day C8, Monday? (C4 is Thursday?) [Monday, January 15th? or Saturday, January 13th?]
 * Episode 7 Minute 45ish to end.

Day D1 (Seemingly at least next day, seemingly next day. 92.96875% eliminated.) [Wednesday, January 17th? or Sunday, January 14th?]
 * Episode 8 beginning to end.
 * Tamar's leaving the hospital after childbirth. The baby was due around January 9th but up to January 14th, plus a few days if necessary for overdue/complications, plus a little while at the hospital. This has to be no later than about January 21st. It seems to be January 16th, so that works reasonably well, if we say perhaps the baby was due around the 12th or 13th-ish, born a couple of days late, and she left the hospital roughly the next day.
 * Episode 9 beginning to Minute 11ish.

Day D2 [Thursday, January 18th? or Monday, January 15th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 11ish to Minute 37ish.

Day E1 (At least next day, seemingly next day. 87.5% eliminated.) [Saturday, January 20th? or Tuesday, January 16th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 37ish to Minute 41ish.

Day F1 (Seemingly same day. 96.875% eliminated.) [Saturday, January 20th? or Tuesday, January 16th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 41ish to Minute 42ish (Nico and Karolina).

Day G1 (Seemingly same day. 87.5% eliminated.) [Sunday, January 21st? or Tuesday, January 16th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 42ish to Minute 44ish (Gert).

Day H1, Tuesday (H2 is Wednesday) (Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.) [Tuesday, January 23rd? or Tuesday, January 16th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 44ish to end (A.W.O.L.).

Day H2, Wednesday [Wednesday, January 24th? or Wednesday, January 17th?]
 * Episode 10 beginning to end.
 * It's "2 o'clock on a Wednesday". This is problematic because it's seemingly been 8 days (and definitely at least 7) since Gert says it was Thursday, and while there's a few potential gaps in between then and now, they're all 75 or more per cent eliminated. So we have a decision to make, either slip in gaps to add an extra 5 days, which is quite a stretch, or we assume that this is actually Wednesday and not Friday, so when Gert said it was Thursday, it was actually Tuesday - there's some slight wiggle room there because they were joking around a bit. Either way, we're basically going to have to use some slight wiggle room. I've put the two options in the square brackets for each day: first option is adding 5 days, second option is assuming Gert is joking and it is actually Tuesday. I've also gone back to some previous notes and put "Edit: xyz" if this affects those.

Finally, I've now done 12 out of 13 The Punisher: Season 2 episode notes, and Episode 12 really nails down the timeline. The scene with the mobile phone with a calendar saying "13" is 2-4 days after Billy's robbery, which is explicitly said twice to be Friday, and is where we get the May calendar, making it Friday 4th, 11th, 18th, or 25th. This means that the scene with the phone is Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday 6th-8th, 13th-15th, 20th-22nd, 27th-29th. Notice the "13th" there. It would be really nice if it could line up so the scene is a Sunday, 2 days after the robbery, meaning it can indeed be "13" and also 2 days after a Friday in May.

Well, Episode 12 confirms it. Up to that point, I worked out that there was a small (but big enough) chance that it's been 2 days since the robbery (which is what we want) and a bigger chance that it's been more like 3 (no more than 4). But in Episode 12, 2 days after the scene with the phone, Mahoney says it's "Tuesday", meaning the phone scene was Sunday (And indeed just 2 days after the robbery). So the phone scene is a Sunday 2 days after a Friday in May, making it 6th, 13th, 20th, or 27th. 13th! It lines up very nicely with the phone.

So yes, the robbery is Friday, May 11th and the phone scene is Sunday, May 13th, and the rest of the season revolves around that.