Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190418032215

The Leak (DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I watched the leak intentionally because I have no self-control and don't care that much about being spoiled (I'm fine with knowing the outcome as long as I don't know how it happens). To be honest, I'm even more excited to see the movie now, and see exactly how those scenes come to be. It'll probably be one of the best 3 hours of my life tbh. The trailers really didn't show much. That's good to hear!

Snap Simultaneous Events (Marvelus, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Rman823, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Marvelus wrote: Wow! That is so cool. Loved it. Thank you Marvelus! Also sorry if I came across badly in response to your message about Wakanda preparing for 2 days. I was just saying not to worry, but of course it's great to collect all evidence possible - and I wasn't suggesting that you had been saying "So let's move it now".

Marvelus wrote: You should put it online and in YouTube Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: OH MY GOD, THAT IS AMAZING. You should share it on /r/marvelstudios it would get so much reddit karma. Wow, that's great feedback, thank you.

I'm a bit scared of joining Reddit, especially looking at r/marvelstudios. Seems like it can be quite a toxic place and I'm also a bit scared I'll get sucked into timeline-related posts on there and trying to correct people to no avail and it'll be time-consuming with little result. I just don't know if my anxiety can deal with Reddit.

Rman823 wrote: Looks Great. Appreciate it😊.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: That's great! You should post the 720p version on Youtube! Thanks, again. I would post it on YouTube but there's two problems with that. One, my YouTube account is under my real name. Two, I'm not good on copyright laws and whether this violates anything. I put it on Vimeo and password-locked because I'm kind of scared of losing control of the video, if that makes sense - I'm quite introverted and quite cautious about this sort of thing, and I'm also worried about dealing with any sort of copyright stuff. Also I'd rather not have to explain to people outside the wiki why we've put the end of The End literally right before the Snap.

But thank you for the encouragement all the same. It was just something I thought might be a bit fun considering I'd gone to the effort anyway of working out how these scenes fit together down to the second.

Avengers: Age of Ultron and Related Events Corrections (additional)
OK so on rewatch of Age of Ultron, I finally got around to working out the time zones and travel times and things, like how I checked Iron Man 3 and The Winter Soldier on rewatch.

Rman823 is correct, it's Thursday: 1, 2.

And it does work as a few days since the Saturday party. I would've guessed closer to a couple of days, but 4.5 days is far from the end of the world.

Then:
 * Thursday 17:39 New York - Checking files.
 * Take off soon after, say 18:00.
 * 7977 miles to fly from Avengers Tower to Johannesburg. Will want to go in a hurry, so Quinjet safe top speed of about 1600mph, 5-hour flight.
 * Would arrive in South Africa around 23:00 New York, Friday 05:00 Johannesburg.
 * Sunrise in Johannesburg is around 06:08, so say they took a little longer to leave and fly and get there around Friday 00:30 New York, 06:30 Johannesburg.
 * Could leave any amount of time later.
 * 8969 miles to fly from Johannesburg to Iowa, where the Barton farm is in the comics. Not in so much of a hurry, maybe 1200mph, 7.5-hour flight.
 * If they left around 01:30 New York, 07:30 Johannesburg, they could get there around 09:00 New York, 08:00 Iowa. After the 05:37ish sunrise, but...
 * When they're a "few hours" (say 3.5 hours) out, (7.5 - 3.5) / 7.5 = 0.53333 of the way, around the location 20.4, - 30.0, it's dark. In Nouakchott, around - 15.971401, the night is 19:48-06:12, 15:48-02:12 New York time. In Santiago De Los Caballeros, around - 70.690539, the night is 19:29-05:49, same zone as New York time. - 30.0 is roughly 14.018599 / (14.018599 + 40.690539) = 0.25624 of the way from Nouakchott to Santiago De Los Caballeros. So night is roughly [15 + (48 / 60)] + ([19 + (29 / 60)] - [15 + (48 / 60)]) * 0.25624 = 16.74381, 16:45, to [2 + (12 / 60)] + ([5 + (49 / 60)] - [2 + (12 / 60)]) * 0.25624 = 03:08. 16:45-03:08. 0.53333 of the way would be around [1 + (30 / 60)] + ([9 + (0 / 60)] - [1 + (30 / 60)]) * 0.53333 = 5.5, 05:30. So it should be light outside.
 * Say they leave immediately, only half an hour or so after arrival in Johannesburg around 01:00 New York and go as fast as is (safely) possible around 1600mph, 5.75-hour flight. Still get to the farm in the morning, 06:45 New York, 05:45 Iowa. [1 + (0 / 60)] + ([6 + (45 / 60)] - [1 + (0 / 60)]) * 0.53333 = 4.06667, 04:04. Wouldn't work at the point just calculated of 16:45-03:08 night, let alone the fact that a "few hours" out they would therefore be less far along their journey if they're going faster, so would be in a place with an even earlier sunrise. Still should be light outside. We could make a "few hours" mean fewer hours, but here's the thing: There's no way to get it into the night, because the borderline between night and day travels the same direction they are travelling, east to west, with (at sunrise) darkness to the west side of the line and light to the east side of the line. They would have to outrace the line of night-and-day border and basically catch up with the dark side of Earth - they can't do that when travelling diagonally, their component travelling west is much slower than that sun line. Also, the reason lessening "few hours" doesn't make a difference is they would have to catch up with the night section of Earth only to then have the morning catch up with them again because it's light when they land. So even if you were to arrive immediately after sunrise, leave as soon as possible, and make them go fast enough to catch the night, they would then have to land at night unless they suddenly slowed down a lot after flying for a bit, which doesn't seem right.
 * No, the only way this works is the night catches up with them. But it can't catch up with them after they leave Johannesburg because then the morning has to also catch up with them before they get to Iowa. So they have to in fact leave Johannesburg when it's already night, just as early as possible to minimise the extra time we're slipping in - but just about late enough to get to Iowa in the local morning. Late enough that their arrival about 7.5 hours later will be after Iowa sunrise. Can stretch it if they're really at cruising speed, 900mph gives 10 hours. 05:37ish Iowa sunrise, if they get there at say 06:00 (the kids could have got up early to see Clint but not before 6AM I imagine, plus it's full daylight)/07:00 New York, they leave Johannesburg around Friday 21:00 New York/Saturday 03:00 Johannesburg. Would hit that 3.5 hours out point at about (10 - 3.5) / 10 = 0.65 of the way, roughly 32.2, - 62.5. That nighttime point would be Saturday 03:30 New York. Near Bermuda, which has 06:04ish sunrise, 05:04 New York time - yes, it's dark.
 * Currently have them arriving around 00:30 New York, 06:30 Johannesburg, so would need to be there 11 hours. Maybe they arrive around Friday 01:00 New York/07:00 Johannesburg (so left New York around Thursday 19:30 New York), the events we actually see in Johannesburg are a bit after they arrive, around Friday morning New York/afternoon Johannesburg, and after Hulk's rampage have to stay to help for several hours.
 * OK, so they get to the farm around Saturday 07:00 New York/06:00 Iowa.
 * At some point during the day in Iowa (scenes either side are daytime), it cuts to Seoul and it's nighttime. Could work for any time up to 05:06ish sunrise in Seoul which is 16:06 New York. So that's fine.
 * Also while it's still daytime on the farm, we see Selvig at Royal Holloway in London. It seems like it should be a weekday but it's not, it's Saturday. Guess it was just some special event Selvig was at. Anyway, shouldn't really be later than 16:00 London time for him to be teaching, so 11:00 New York time. Thor needs some time to get to London and change, so I'll go with that 11:00 latest.
 * This means Seoul is before then, let's say around Saturday 09:00 New York/22:00 Seoul. New York is Saturday 11:00 New York/16:00 London.
 * It's then evening on the farm when they realise Ultron is evolving, after 20:44ish sunset but young Lila is still awake so not much after that, let's say 21:00, 22:00 New York. Tony then has to fly to Oslo. Depending on who you ask, Iron Man can fly up to anywhere from 1, 2, 3 960 to 3800mph or possibly more. 4198 miles, at an absolute fastest Tony could get to Oslo in like 70 minutes. Just checking he can get there before the Avengers get to Seoul - he can.
 * The Avengers fly to Seoul, about 6398 miles. Would take about 4 hours at 1600mph, so they could get there for Sunday 02:30 New York, 11:30 Seoul at the earliest. They then go back to New York though and it's night when they then create Vision. About 6869 miles, and they're not in such a hurry, say 1200mph, 6 hours having left around 03:30 New York. That would get them back for 09:30 New York. Nope, after the 05:20ish sunrise. Even if time is minimised and they go absolute top speed, no. But most importantly, in Sokovia a few hours later, Vision says he was born "yesterday". His birth should really be more like late evening sort of time so Sokovia is then technically the next day. This actually makes more sense because it seems like Clint goes ahead with the cradle to get it to Tony and later comes back for them.
 * So, say them realising Ultron is evolving is about Saturday 21:30 New York/20:30 Iowa. They leave Iowa around Saturday 22:00 New York. They get to Seoul at about Sunday 02:00 New York/15:00 Seoul. I'm assuming Tony in Oslo beforehand is around the same time, not much earlier, 02:00 New York gives 08:00 Oslo so much earlier would be more inconvenient for the Norwegians - daytime just makes more sense - and Tony doesn't seem to have had much time with Vision when he talks to Bruce about putting J.A.R.V.I.S. into him, so it works best for him to have been in Oslo as late as possible. Oslo 02:00 New York/08:00 Oslo. Clint leaves immediately as soon as they get the cradle and comes back for them - unclear if he went all the way to New York and back to get them or met Tony halfway or something. If we assume he went all the way and came back for them, that could help us because it would appear that Steve, Wanda, and Pietro go straight for Tony when they get back, and that would mean them getting back to New York is after 20:26ish sunset. This means there's 18 hours to fill up between the end of the Seoul fight and Steve, Wanda, and Pietro getting back. Three full journeys in 18 hours works reasonably, about 6-hour journeys would mean about 1100mph on average, that's fine. So yeah, whatever the exact details of those 18 hours are, 18 hours pass before they get back to Tony around Sunday 20:45 New York.
 * Vision is born, then they leave just "3 minutes" later. Say they leave Sunday 21:00 New York.
 * Apparently Sokovia is around Czechia/Slovakia so I'm going to use Zlin, Czechia. About 4236 miles and the world is in danger, might even hit the dangerous speeds around 1800mph, so 2.5-hour flight or something like that. They would get there around 23:30 New York, so 05:30 Zlin. Sunrise is about 04:45ish, so that works fine. So, arrive in Sokovia 23:30 New York/05:30 Sokovia.
 * And there we are, Battle of Sokovia after that, and Vision's birth (after at least half an hour in Sokovia) was "yesterday".

So, finally:
 * Thursday
 * 17:39 - Checking files.
 * 19:30 - Leave New York.
 * Friday
 * 01:00 (07:00 Johannesburg) - Arrive in Johannesburg.
 * Morning (afternoon Johannesburg) - Events in South Africa.
 * 21:00 (Saturday 03:00 Johannesburg) - Leave Johannesburg.
 * Saturday
 * 03:30 (04:30 local) - Night as they fly, a few hours out from the farm.
 * 07:00 (06:00 Iowa) - Arrive in Iowa.
 * 09:00 (22:00 Seoul) - Ultron takes control of Helen Cho.
 * 11:00 (16:00 London) - Thor finds Selvig at Royal Holloway.
 * 21:30 (20:30 Iowa) - Ultron is evolving.
 * 22:00 (21:00 Iowa) - Leave Iowa.
 * Sunday
 * 02:00 (08:00 Olso) - Oslo nuclear codes.
 * 02:00 (15:00 Seoul) - Arrive in Seoul.
 * 20:45 - Steve, Pietro, and Wanda get to Avengers Tower, Vision is born.
 * 21:00 - Leave for Sokovia.
 * 23:30 (05:30 Sokovia) - Get to Sokovia. Clear the city.
 * Monday
 * 00:00 (06:00 Sokovia) - Battle of Sokovia.
 * 00:30 (06:30 Sokovia) - End of the Battle of Sokovia. Vision was born "yesterday".

And which Monday is the Battle of Sokovia?

Well, as we know, it has to be:
 * University "summer" - Charlie Spencer spent his summer after university in Sokovia and was there when the battle happened.
 * As early as possible to maximise the gap before the end of the film with Nathaniel Barton being born, since Laura says she's expecting in a "few months" during the main events but has given birth by late May.
 * As early as possible to get Season 3 as early as possible so Werner von Strucker joining Garner's course makes more sense.

Some American universities' final exams periods for 2019:
 * MIT - 20 May-24 May.
 * Harvard - 9 May-18 May.
 * Duke - 29 April-4 May.
 * Clemson - 29 April-3 May.
 * California - 13 May-17 May.

So the earliest any final exams should be finishing in 2019 would be around May 3rd, maybe 2nd if you're lucky with your timetable? The corresponding Thursday in 2015 is April 30th, so the Battle of Sokovia should be at least May 1, 2015. That works, no way anyone could call April "summer".

So should be the first Monday after May 1, 2015 - Monday, May 4, 2015.

I get that that's a bit weird, just happening to fall on the exact 3-year anniversary of the Battle of New York, but there's no way it's a week earlier or later.

This would mean:
 * Thursday, April 30, 2015 - Checking files.
 * Friday, May 1, 2015 - Duel of Johannesburg.
 * Saturday, May 2, 2015 - Farm.
 * Sunday, May 3, 2015 - Battle of Seoul.
 * Monday, May 4, 2015 - Battle of Sokovia.

This would make the attack at the party Saturday, April 25, 2015, and the opening therefore Wednesday, April 22, 2015.

I would have to rewatch Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 2, Episodes 12-19 and check with Rman823's suggestions and see about how the number of days that pass can work to see how Season 2 would be affected and what the adjusted dates should be.

And working forwards from Sokovia: This would imply: Which would mean: However, not much happens on November 30th currently so it would make more sense for that to be Thanksgiving, so rather than 3 days back, we move 4 days back. Which would mean: On December 8th (currently), the fight with Kebo was "last week", so it can be no later than Sunday, December 6th, so events would have to move, but just 2 days: Finally, the December 19th event could maybe move one day up to December 18th.
 * May 7th events would become May 4th (the day after Sokovia would just be the same day since the battle was only just after midnight).
 * May 8th → May 5th.
 * May 9th → May 6th.
 * May 16th (Simmons is taken) → May 13th.
 * November 27th → Tuesday, November 24th.
 * November 28th → Wednesday, November 25th.
 * November 29th → Thursday, November 26th (Thanksgiving).
 * November 30th → Friday, November 27th.
 * December 1st (Hunter's fight with Kebo) → Saturday, November 28th.
 * May 16th (Simmons is taken) → May 12th (6 days after main events of S.O.S.).
 * November 27th → Monday, November 23rd.
 * November 28th → Tuesday, November 24th.
 * November 29th → Wednesday, November 25th.
 * November 30th → Thursday, November 26th (Thanksgiving).
 * December 1st (Hunter's fight with Kebo) → Friday, November 27th.
 * December 7th → Saturday, December 5th.
 * December 8th → Sunday, December 6th.
 * December 9th → Monday, December 7th.
 * December 10th → Tuesday, December 8th.
 * December 11th → Wednesday, December 9th.
 * December 12th → Thursday, December 10th.
 * December 13th → Friday, December 11th.

This is not ready to go, obviously since I haven't worked out Season 2. And it will be a big edit with a bunch more working out of interweaving events with Netflix, a lot of fiddly moving around, new references, and the knock-on effect on articles with incorrect dates on them. At some point in the next few months I'll take the time to rewatch those Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episodes and correct it all.

I was going to check time zones and travel and all that anyway, but thank you Rman823 for the Thursday computer screen and, indirectly, the prompt to work this stuff out.