Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20181206045335

Peggy's Date of Birth (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: My bad, I phrased that wrong. I just meant they didn't anticipate back in Phase 1 that a couple dates would have to be shifted. But yep, "Emancipation" cemented the date on the newspaper. And if I remember, there was a photo of a prop from Carter's funeral in Civil War showing it, too? Yeah that was another piece of evidence, there was a behind-the-scenes prop saying "1921-2016" (though it wasn't shown in the actual film).

Runaways Magic (Mrmichaelt, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Mrmichaelt wrote: You're welcome. I hope they did, too. lol. Cloak and Dagger I almost thought one of those magician posters in the b.g. of the trailer was a Marvel nod to a character but turns out I think it's a nod to Quinton Peebles, who worked on season 1. For a hot second, I thought that space ship was the MCU Leapfrog. Maybe. Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: By a magician? Hmm, I wonder if that could tie into the final shot of the trailer, considering that calls back to Doctor Strange, while Season 1's press tour made it very clear that the show's Tina Minoru wasn't the movie's Tina Minoru. They'd have to make Nico magical some other way. I really liked that moment in the trailer, a proper film tie-in with the Dark Dimension magic and Zealot eyes (not just lip service).

Mrmichaelt wrote: My guess is the 'magician' was Cagliostro - as in the Book of Cagliostro from "Doctor Strange" that Kaecilius stole to access the Dark Dimension. That could be cool, but they say in Doctor Strange that Cagliostro is from thousands of years ago.

Trailers (me, CirUmeUela, Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
BEJT wrote: Tuesday, 3AM UTC. Mark your calendars😉.

(Mic drop will be explained soon.) CirUmeUela wrote: BEJT, do you have insider info about the Avengers 4 trailer?? Hmm... BEJT wrote: Nah I just wanted to sound a bit like I did😂.

But I am fairly sure, give or take maybe an hour.

A fairly reliable source for these things on Twitter (someone who doesn't just throw out "It's this week" or whatever but actually waits to give information, then when they do, tends to be correct) has "randomly" retweeted a Star Wars tweet from 3 years ago where they announced that the final trailer for The Force Awakens was coming during Monday Night Football. Coupled with the fact that the source said a few days ago that "Next week" would be great for Marvel fans and have specifically pointed out that it's not coming "this weekend", I am fairly certain that this retweet is them cryptically telling followers, "Look what Disney did 3 years ago to drop a big trailer. Hmm, wonder if they would do that again..."

I checked what time that trailer dropped using this site, and found that it was Tuesday, October 20, 2015 02:08 UTC. October is still during summer clocks time, so America was in UTC-7 to UTC-4, i.e., that was 19:08 Pacific/22:08 Eastern on Monday night.

So, the time that a big Disney trailer would most likely debut during Monday Night Football would be around 19:00 Pacific/22:00 Eastern. Therefore, in December, that would make it 03:00 UTC.

Tuesday, December 3, 2018 03:00 UTC.

This matches several things: Marvelus wrote: Interesting. The same day my daughter will be born. Right😂 OK then... hope she's doing well.
 * Lots of discussion of it coming very soon.
 * The build-up reaching boiling point and the fact that this is the latest Marvel have ever left it before releasing the first trailer, so it frankly has to be any day now.
 * Apparently there's a big game on Monday (I'm not American, I don't know).
 * The fact that Avengers 4 Prelude issue 1 comes out on Wednesday, meaning comic stores will be getting it by Tuesday, and since it will almost certainly have the title on it, this means if the title is not revealed by Tuesday then a comic store owner will almost certainly post it online, and Marvel will be on top of that to make sure that doesn't happen. And at this rate, it's clear that the title is coming in close proximity with the trailer (either the day before with a trailer announcement or just in the actual trailer), therefore meaning the trailer pretty much has to be with us by Wednesday.
 * The fact that the Far from Home trailer will almost certainly arrive between Friday 7th and Friday 14th, around the time the first Homecoming trailer debuted 2 years ago and before the release of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, and the Avengers 4 trailer pretty much has to come a little while before then. this matches the fact that it really pretty much has to be by Wednesday.
 * Reports that it is some time next week, again matching these.

Marvelus wrote: I am joking btw 😂😂 I don't know why I felt the necessity to make that prank. BEJT wrote: Well, I never explicitly said which film I was referring to in that message...😂

It's obvious I was talking about Avengers 4. Turns out, my prediction was spot on... except the wrong film. Captain Marvel trailer tomorrow.

But here's my second guess...

Wednesday, 13:30 UTC. Mark your calendars😉. Yeah, so I was right about the date and time, just wrong about the film. Turns out the sources didn't know themselves which trailer it was going to be, and I had assumed the Captain Marvel second trailer would be coming later this month so as not to get overshadowed by Avengers 4 - and therefore assumed that any Marvel (Disney, so not Far from Home) trailer coming would surely be Avengers 4.

Also, I was right about the Wednesday date and time apparently, but then it got delayed again due to it being a National Day of Mourning for George H. W. Bush's funeral.

We've been discussing it all here.

The trailer is now coming Friday, and the Far from Home trailer Saturday. So, one last time...

Friday, 14:00 UTC. Mark your calendars😉. 😂

This trailer is never coming, is it?😂 The world will explode at 13:59 on Friday to deny us this.

It still doesn't feel like this film is even real, it's just a pile of speculation and rumours and theories and we don't have a single official actual image or title or anything, and more than anything, I'm excited to just have some sort of idea about this film's nature.

Marvelus wrote: BEJT What, Marvelus?

Mrmichaelt wrote: I've become apathetic about any article that mentions the Avengers 4 trailer. I'll believe it when I watch it on YT. I started apathetic, I was apathetic to all of the articles up to late November. I've gotten good at checking sources, though. I'm not the type of person to just spread some headline I've read, I check the source and read thoroughly and do my own research (I quite enjoy predicting dates as well). The reasons I've mentioned these is that there was genuine and reliable sourcing behind it and this was actual valuable information, after weeks of baseless speculation passed off as "rumours".

Turns out, I slightly misjudged Tuesday 3AM - predicted the date and time exactly right, just the wrong film.

The Wednesday 1:30PM was apparently correct until the other day, when they delayed it due to the National Day of Mourning in the U.S. for George H. W. Bush's funeral.

But you've got the right idea I guess in just "I'll believe it when I see it". That's the approach I've been taking for weeks, but I have to admit, I've given into the hype a bit now. But yeah, the fact that for weeks (though I didn't start actually letting myself believe it until this weeks) there's been "It's just about to come" and even now with properly sourced dates and times it's still not quite been right... it does feel like we're always nearly there but not quite, and as I say, like it will never actually quite happen😂. I respect you for managing to keep the hype in check.

CirUmeUela wrote: Yeah, it looks fairly likely that the Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 trailer will drop this next week! Captain Marvel was obviously Monday night U.S., Avengers coming Friday morning U.S. reportedly, and Far from Home Saturday U.S. time (I don't know what actual time of day) reportedly.

Mrmichaelt wrote: A new Captain Marvel trailer is already posted. Yeah we were talking about it a bit on the discussions feature. I quite liked the trailer. I'm really looking forward to this film and I really liked the first trailer, this one not quite as much. I didn't find it as intriguing and think it focused a little too much on the spectacle. But I really like Brie Larson, I think Jude Law looks great and really interesting, the Skrulls look better in the actual film than the promotional shots, there's that cool "Pegasus" Easter egg, and this is the first time I haven't even thought about the deageing while watching. I basically forgot there were effects involved, it's that good, and I'm glad because that means I've settled into it. Like the Top Gun-like moment as well. I just wish the trailer had a little more story structure, a little less spectacle.

Rumour has it that this film has a lot more special stuff going for it than is apparent from these trailers. I hope this film is a triumph and a success and overcomes the "fans" who are trying to take it down.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Friday can't come fast enough, heh. Hope springs eternal. Maybe something will be in the trailer.

Well, good thing. ;) Can't wait.

Cloak & Dagger (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: Working on C&D and bringing some good comments directed to the timeline in here. Soon I will be posting them. Marvelus wrote: I have written the entire Season One of Cloak and Dagger here: Cloak & Dagger. It is not so well written but it is better than nothing. Thank you! I'm currently still working on my write-ups (had built up some momentum with them then had to take a few weeks off, but rebuilding the momentum and should have some time over Christmas and New Year), going through in release order (with some logical adjustments), so that should mean that I wouldn't get to Cloak & Dagger for a couple of months. However, since you've done the work and it exists now, it would be a shame to leave it out from the 2017 page for a couple more months. So I'll try to rewatch the season soon to work out the exact dates, and I'll try to move the checking of those episodes further up my priorities list I guess so we can get those onto the page.

Prelude Comics (CirUmeUela, Mrmichaelt)
CirUmeUela wrote: I've been reading through all the MCU comics finally. I noticed that the Infinity War prelude shows that Tony is working on designs for his Bleeding Edge armor but hasn't made it yet. Then in the Captain Marvel prelude, he is testing out the suit itself. So I think this part goes before the part in the Captain Marvel prelude.

It's possible he was just refining it and that it's the other way around I suppose, but I think the former is more likely. This means however, that Cap and the other rogue Avengers would have had to go back to Syria months (or weeks, or some other undefined amount of time) later, which is fine as well. I don't think the two events in Syria are related, or at least not at the same time. Yeah I picked up on that - that the Tony testing scene in the Captain Marvel Prelude was after the planning scene in the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude.

Also, the planning scene is seemingly not long after the events "months later" after July 2016. The testing scene is "months" before the end of Infinity War. So naturally they're in that order anyway.

But there is most likely a time jump between the Captain Marvel Prelude Syria scene and Tony testing scene, with the former in late 2016 and the latter in late 2017. So the Syria events are probably linked with the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, with the Syria stuff in there being late 2016/early 2017.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I thought so, too. But in the Captain Marvel Prelude, that scene of Tony testing the armor and Hill visiting isn't back to back with the Syria mission, imo. The scene after Tony and Hill is the IW end teaser which is listed as "Months Later".. So that means Tony testing+talk with Hill scene is in very early 2018. The Syria mission from both preludes is still the same mission and takes place in 2016 months after Civil War, around late fall-ish. The Captain Marvel Prelude, in other words, takes place in 2 different time frames, imo, 2016 and 2018. Yeah I agree. I think it's presented like the scenes are supposed to be set close together, but it's not possible and there's no point trying to make it work when it's reasonably easy to slip a gap in there.

I would personally say that "months" before March 2018 (as Infinity War is currently dated) is more like late 2017 than early 2018, for the scene with Hill visiting Tony.

But yeah, the Captain Marvel Prelude Syria stuff is probably November/December 2016 considering "months later" and "not even Christmas", and if the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude Syria stuff is immediately before then obviously it is as well - if not, it's early 2017.

Still need to have another read to check your theory about the Captain Marvel Prelude Syria scene being immediately after the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude Syria scene.

CirUmeUela wrote: Maybe, but the way the dialogue from Steve continues onto the next page as he is talking to Fury, when he says if Tony needs them, "all he has to do is call" and then shows Tony testing the armor, it makes me think these two scenes are concurrent. But I might be wrong. It does imply they're around the same time, but it can't really be because Syria is "months" after Civil War and Tony is "months" before Infinity War.

MCU Rewatch (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: Also I've started a rewatch of the MCU movies, one a week until Avengers 4 comes out. Except I'm watching them chronologically. This guy already put all the films together in 20 parts so I am watching his edits. He said somewhere that he based it on this wiki's timeline so that's good. I haven't noticed any errors yet. It all lines up with what you guys have done (but I'm only watching The First Avenger right now). So where the films overlap, are they intercut? And then are you basically just watching in 2-hour chunks rather than an individual film each week?

Great that he's based on our work though. I still need to finish my Fury's Big Week blog at some point soon to finalise the exact timings of how all the stuff set during that week fits together.

Marvelus Apologising (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: Hi guys! I wanted to apologize for my not so frequent help over here, I have been bussy putting some priorities, what I needed to do, and I have taken time to keep my promise. Marvelus wrote: I really wanted to apologize for not being relevant over the last few months. I will try to help you everythim I can. Don't apologise. We all have important personal things. I'm constantly letting you guys down because I have to devote time elsewhere for my own well-being.

Blog de Superheroes (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: Hey, I am so happy that you are doing well in University. That is great!

Also I wanted to give you some good news relating this Timeline that I present in Blog de Superheroes, when the Marvel Timeline came out, BdS wrote an article about the news, the comments were overwhelmingly happy!!!

-marvelboy99 wrote: "Wasn't Black Panther a week after Civil War and before SH?" --Steve Fuenzalida: "The first time I saw it I knew it was happening in 2016, it was so obvious, it's common sense. I do not understand how they could make such a terrible timeline."

-Some people expressed their thoughts- -garokk: As official as it may be, this list has more holes than a Gruyere cheese. Iron Man happens in 2008, because Vision says so in Civil War..., Black Panther happens a week after Civil War (the movie says it at the beginning) in 2016, and Infinity War has to happen in 2018, because Antman turns 2 years exactly in house arrest (if he escaped from the Raft in 2016 at the end of Civil War and made the deal with the government, Infinity War must occur by the end of May at least). --charlsmx: "That's right, plus in Spiderman Homecoming between the New York battle of Avengers 1 and Homecoming events it literally says "8 Years Later". So Avengers 1 should have happened in 2010. At the end, too, when Happy Hogan takes out Tony's engagement ring for Pepper, he says: "I've kept it since 2008."" --Steve Fuenzalida: "I still believed that Iron Man was happening in 2008, I found "too elaborated" those who said that it was happening in 2009, but I read the article where it proved that it happened in 2009 (the one that I wrote) and I understood. I'm so glad people are learning the correct dates from your work. It's a shame that people like Steve Fuenzalida can't be bothered to read the full list of evidence because it's so extensive, and therefore just reject it outright and stick to their assumption. But I'm glad he, at least, has learned.

Marvelus wrote: -Mariel: "(My name). Patentize your work and then send it to Kevin so they can see why with this chronological calendar they are more lost than when Steve when he woke up."

-Dr. Kadok: "haha (my name) send your work to Mickey and his henchmen, they might be able to hire you to fix the chronology!" --Cinecomics: "It is not a bad idea, he should do it xD who know and they make him a participate member in the MCU :3"

-Manu Ortiz: "When trying to fix the potholes, they transformed them into holes, hahaha. I stay with the excellent work that is being done week by week with the complete chronology 😀" Man, I wish they actually had a contact address. I would've sent things a long time ago.

Marvelus wrote: -vicven: "But what rice with mango is this? 0.0 what a disaster, I'll stick with the work of (my name) 😎" "Rice with mango", what?😂

Marvelus wrote: -Steve Fuenzalida: "I thought that Marvel Studios would strive to create a coherent timeline, but as many said, trying to fix the potholes, they create bigger holes. I guess it occurred to them, they did not even hire someone to do it correctly. Obviously they were wrong on many dates, I hope later recognize it. Obviously I'm staying with your excellent work. They should have hired you guys to do it xd But the good thing is that you have the support of everyone here in the blog. The question is whether you will take it as an official or not. Because it is supposed to be confirmed, but not necessarily what "confirm" is valid, they have done it before, so you would be entitled to continue this line as an "official". I trust that the people's rejection of this new line will make them change their minds, because after all what Feige is interested in is the approval of the people."

-Elementor: "Well, what can I say that has not already been said? (My name) should be working next to Lord Feige with this chronology! Hopefully you could patent your work to send it to Disney :p" It's so good to see so many people responding well.

Marvelus wrote: A few days later the article where I explained why Defenders had to be on May 2016, why Jessica Jones S2 was on 2017 and why Iron Fist S1 and The Punisher S1 happened where they were these comments were written:

-Frankness: "In conclusion: A fcking mess." -BenTennison10: "Thank you for your amazing work (my name)" -vicven (referring to the chaos within Netflix): "What a disaster" -Charlie Jou LA: "While the makers of the series only worried about how the product ends and make reference minimal to the movies, you have managed to enter the subatomic muno of the MCU and get order to everything: this chaos between TV and cinema. In the previous note several users mentioned that you should send your work to KF, either through networks social, e-mail or old reliable (old-fashioned mail) but really go that you've invested too much time (surely months) and dedication to this project. Regards!"

However, if it bother you BEJT, I have never intended to take recognition from you, and in my comments answering to them I mentioned you and how you deserved more recognition than me because I don't want to take credit at all. My work in here is like the 5%, yours is bigger bro. However, I think that those comments will cheer you up after the bad news of Daredevil being cancelled among other things. No it doesn't bother me. I'm just glad the correct message is being spread, any credit is just a bonus. And you've done way more than 5% of the work here, come on, be fair to yourself.

All the Comforts of Home (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I was thinking we may use some calculations to begin with, I am not as good as BEJT but I Will try to set up the first steps for the major work on this period of time. Marvelus wrote: What do we have here? I remember noticing the school line, but realising by the end of the episode that it was, in fact, pretty irrelevant. Because the whole point is that it sounds like she's just a normal teenager in the opening scene, but by the end of the episode you realise Hale wasn't talking about school, she was talking about Hydra training. Anyway, either way, the early December date works fine.
 * Yesterday, Ruby was supposed to attend the “school”, if they are still on class and we are on the last months of the year (2017), and taking the assumption that HYDRA Academy works like the rest of normal schools we are before Holiday Vacations. According this, Holiday vacation begin on December 20th 2017.
 * But if we are on early 2018, the Holidays vacation end on January 2nd 2018.

Marvelus wrote: As explained, the November placement is based purely on maths that we agreed on before. It's a less subjective system, considering we had found maths values that perfectly fit our conclusions before, and are simply sticking to those values with new data. There's no justifiable reason to move Ragnarok except for essentially giving up and just saying, "It feels like it should be as late as absolutely possible." If Infinity War moves later again, so will Ragnarok, correspondingly by again updating the data.
 * ’’’Mentions’’’:
 * A politician tries to erase files from the FBI.
 * An Asgardian (Thor) was spotted in the city, Thor: Ragnarok has already happened ori s happening.
 * ’’’Thor: Ragnarok’’’ can happen around early December 2017 as we know. (If January 2014 was the best possible placement for The Winter Soldier even though it has been “2 years” since The Avengers, then Ragnarok can perfectly be placed around December 2017 even if it is likely three years after Age of Ultron.

There's already 4 months between Ragnarok and Infinity War. The assumptions that have to be made for that to work work pretty much just as well as they do if it's only 3.5 months, so compromising the maths of the timeline for the sake of losing a couple of weeks isn't really worth it.

Also, there's quite a big difference with Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier is 2 calendar years/1.7 years after The Avengers (only 0.3 out from ideal), and "2 years" was also only said a couple of times by people involved with the film. Ragnarok being December is 2.6 years after Age of Ultron (0.6 out from ideal and actually closer to the next number up), and "2 years" was said many, many times both in the film and outside of it.

I'm absolutely not ruling out December, and December is still there as an option if necessary (and it's definitely not the end of the world to move it there, it's not out of the question to call May 2015-December 2017 "2 years", it's just the reasonably objective maths that was agreed on gives this as the unbiased best place as things stand, and especially combined with the sheer number of times it was said to be "2 years".

Marvelus wrote:
 * Using the weather, we might be on early December 2017. Searching for data on weather in Lake Ontario, Toronto, I found this. Which will suggest, All the Comforts of Home can take place on:
 * December 1st
 * December 2nd
 * December 3rd
 * December 4th (currently)
 * December 5th
 * December 6th
 * December 7th
 * December 8th
 * December 13th
 * December 14th (the last possible day that Ruby cannot assist to the Academy) as 15th i son Friday.
 * Plus, we have this on the episode for the weather: Supposing the guy is talking anout the next few hours and not the entire day, we can work in the following way.

Cool, that works with the fact that it's the 4th then. I don't know how you managed to make that weather channel out.

Marvelus wrote: What is Deke Shaw seeing on TV? That was such a weird detail to put in the episode. It's such a specifically-dated event and yet not only does it not match the evidence, it is nowhere near the real time release date either.
 * Using the image, and the link I previously posted, the dates where the episode can occur are:
 * The EARLIEST date: ‘’’Saturday December 2nd’’’
 * The LATEST date the episode can take place is: ‘’’Thursday December 14th’’’.
 * Running of the Bulls - Pamplona
 * The Running Bulls in Pamplona take place in the middle of the year, exactl July. The episode cannot be in July 2017 or July 2018, so we just have to asume that in the MCU the Running Balls do not work at all.

And being December, it's almost as far as it could possibly be from working as July...

Marvelus wrote: Thank you, for some reason I don't think I ever looked up the football ("soccer") games. Those two teams aren't MLS though, they're Argentinian. I looked it up and they haven't played each other in years. However, Ferro Carril Oeste's last game before Christmas was December 1, 2017, and Crucero del Norte's last game before Christmas was December 7, 2017. Obviously the schedule is not the same in the MCU considering these teams are playing each other when they didn't in the real world, but essentially, it shouldn't be any later than about December 7th. This works with it being December 4th, so that's good.
 * Football League.
 * Working with this picture, I have only found this: Major League Soccer (MLS). Link
 * Searching for some matches in 2017 I have found this:
 * Link
 * Read this: “The MLS Cup Playoffs began on October 25, 2017 and concluded with MLS Cup 2017 on ‘’’December 9, 2017’’’.” December 9th was a Saturday, Ruby would have not atended school on December 8th, which fits. But the weather do not.

Although it might actually be that in-universe, it's just an old game being played anyway, considering the footage being shown surely wasn't shot specifically for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and is likely just some old game. That doesn't necessarily have to be taken as it being an old game in the MCU as well, but it could be.

Marvelus wrote: Black Panther mid-credits scene has been placed for now in November 2016. So absolutely fine.
 * Ruby Hale’s weapon is made of Vibranium. So we are after Black Panther events (not sure if the post credit scene has been placed) LINK Of course we are after July 2016 but at least we got Intel xD

Marvelus wrote: So compilation:
 * We are on December 2017:
 * Date we can work on? Obviously, before December 20th.
 * December 2nd 2017
 * December 4th 2017 (suggested by the Real Deal)
 * December 9th 2017
 * December 14th 2017

My veredict? DECEMBER 9TH 2017. Wait, why? The December 4th date is right there for us to use. I don't understand what the point is in ditching that for a date that, even without the 12-06-2017, has less evidence than the December 4th date.

The Real Deal (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I don't understand where this December 9th idea comes from.
 * If we are taking (something that I strongly suggest) the December 9th date, then episode 100 will take place on December 11th 2017.

Marvelus wrote: But why, Marvelus? All evidence means something. Sure, similar things have been ignored before, but that's only because it's necessary because of contradictory evidence. But even without that piece of evidence, the evidence places it around early December 2017, and then the monitor happens to back that up, giving us a specific date. What's the problem?
 * HOWEVER, we have this date on Yo-Yo’s monitor: 12-06-2017
 * Does this mean something? Not really, sorry if I am stubborn sometimes, you may think I am annoying at times, but I insist that like other dates in the “Marvel Cinematic Universe” have been ignored this is not the exception.
 * Alphonso Mackenzie’s bruises are healing, but we can still see them. Two days have definitely passed. (The bruise may go away completely over the next two weeks)
 * Deke is cut by the Kree (Fear Dimension). That wound would need around five days to heal completely. The weapon cut Deke's skin a little deep, unless Deke does not have any wound in the followinng episodes then yes!. Two minimum must have passed.
 * Poor Deke, he has received a lot of injures, hasn’t he?

I just don't understand, sorry. It seems to me that the options are: I don't get what the motive could possibly be for the 11th. Just trying to explain why I'm struggling with this.
 * Use December 6th, which fits loads of evidence and also happens to be given specifically by a reasonably visible monitor screen.
 * Use December 11th, which fits less evidence anyway and also contradicts the monitor, and for the sake of 5 days?

Nonetheless, thank you very much for analysing the weather and bringing up the football, those were things I don't think we'd discussed before - or if we had, I'd forgotten.

Marvelus wrote:
 * Hale says that it has been months since Quake’s disappearance. 6 months since May 2017.

Well, 7 months. But yeah, saw all those toys in Episode 12, enjoyed that moment.

Marvelus wrote:
 * As of now, we know that for the next episode (13) Principia, it has happened about 14 days after AoS511 and 5 days after AoS512.

My veredict? DECEMBER 11TH 2017 The Real Deal is immediately after All the Comforts of Home as you mentioned (main events are 2 days later), not 9 days later, I'm assuming that's just a typo? At the moment the main events of Principia are about 18 days after All the Comforts of Home, 16 days after The Real Deal.

Principia (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote:
 * We currently have this episode 16 days after The Real Deal.
 * Mack’s bruises should disappear completely 14 days after he got them, while Deke’s cut must have already healed, as it only must last about 5 days.
 * Mack’s bruises have completely got away, only a few “things” remain.
 * I will suggest to put this episode about 22 days (the latest possible placement) after the previous episode.
 * Fitz is planning to do Yo-Yo’s robotic arms, more than a month later, he completely finishes the process. Coulson even says that it might take some time.
 * Ruby and Werner von Strucker are at the HYDRA Academy, I am thinking it is still during or after Holidays’ vacation.
 * As BEJT remarked, Coulson jokes with “tidings of comfort and joy” implying that we are on Holidays’ time.
 * Deke said that Simmons and Fitz just got married, is there any problem about that? Nope. So yeah, we are fine with it.
 * I tried to look again at a date on the computer and I think I find one, the month and day are very very blurry but the year can be seen as 2018, I think. Judge for yourself:


 * So, assuming (but I think it looks like, the last number seems like an 8 not as a 7), it is 2018, the episode Principia must happen around January 2018.

My veredict? JANUARY 2ND-JANUARY 4TH 2018 (spans over 3 days) I don't have strong feelings about this episode, other than it should be set between mid-to-late December and early January. Honestly, I still can't see enough in that monitor screen to distinguish if it's a 7 or an 8, but I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions.

If we do decide it's an 8, I agree, 2nd-4th works best. Avoids the slight awkwardness of New Year's Day, while being as close as possible to Christmas.

The Devil Complex to All Roads Lead... (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote:
 * BEJT wrote on Timeline Discussion – Part 9: “After surgery on amputated arms, it takes about 4-8 weeks/[ https://www.sharecare.com/health/amputation-physical-disability/take-to-recover-from-amputation about 1-2 months] for the wound to heal over. So, with the dismemberment on December 4th, Episode 14, where Yo-Yo's stumps have healed over, should likely be no earlier than January 1st. So that justifies Episode 15 being early January.”


 * Later, BEJT suggested to insert 2.5 months (roughly 11 weeks) in-between episode 13 (January 2nd) and 14, counting 2.5 months since the week following Saturday December 9th, would lead us to: ‘’’Monday February 26th- Sunday March 4th week’’’.
 * BEJT pointed The Devil Complex for a Thursday setting, being in this case March 22nd.

My veredict? MARCH 22ND, 2018 Ideas changed over time to the February 26th-March 4th thing, which I don't actually remember, was just an old idea before more evidence came to light I assume.

The Thursday wasn't because of any particular evidence for Thursday but simply working back from Infinity War. Infinity War starts on a Wednesday, so Episode 19 - Option Two is a Wednesday. All Roads Lead... we decided was about 9 days prior, so a Monday. And working back from that, The Devil Complex starts 4 days prior, so a Thursday.

It can't be March 22nd though because at the moment, that's the beginning of Infinity War. It's the week before, March 15th.

Marvelus wrote: Yeah, the "months" thing is part of the several reasons Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. really suggests Infinity War shouldn't be June. I can understand Coulson calling it "months" when it's 10 months, maybe even 11, but not 13.
 * Two years since the Destruction of HYDRA.
 * Coulson mentions it has been months since the team disappeared. I am betting on 10 months since May 2017, we are on March 2017.

An interesting thing about the way it is phrased as well, which I mentioned in the 2018 references, is that he essentially speaks like all the time since their disappearance in May 2017 has been their time in 2091, because he's simultaneously describing the time since they disappeared and the time they were in 2091 - like they're equivalent, practically equal. He basically treats it like the time since they've been back is negligible, and the longer it's been since December 2017, the less that works.

I do think that at some point though, we might just have to give in and move to June.

Marvelus wrote: Mrmichaelt wrote: About Inside Voices, Hale said they had Coulson in iso for 2 days. In the previous episode, he wasn't in iso yet since he was being taken around the base. So Rise and Shine is probably March 23, and maybe the end tag is the 24th? Yeah he's had 2 days in isolation since the end of Rise and Shine. There's not really any wiggle room there to go "but maybe his isolation started several days after Rise and Shine", from what I remember, I felt it was pretty definitive.
 * BEJT commented that this episode begins 2 days after episode 15.
 * Four years after January 2014.

I can't remember about the exacts of end tags and things, but it will all be on the draft page. Was the end tag Daisy leaving to get Robin? If it was, yeah, that's the day before Inside Voices, because from memory, in Rise and Shine the stuff where Coulson ends up angering them is "24 hours ago" and then the Daisy stuff is "now" or something. So Inside Voices picks up 2 days after the "24 hours ago" events in Rise and Shine, just 1 day after the final event of Rise and Shine.

Marvelus wrote: Well, I haven't used the exact timing because I have watched both shows as a contributor and not as a fan, and I don't currently have all the time of the world, sadly, but BEJT has already do the exact timings. I'm quite proud of those timings😊. It's a shame you can't relax and watch it as a fan.

Mrmichaelt wrote: No worries. It's... a bit of an art form at this point to figure out the timeline of AOS. heh. Marvelus wrote: I know xD, but the timeline for AoS5 is not set in stone. Mrmichaelt wrote: Yes, since it's tied to events of Infinity War. Yup.

Avengers: Infinity War and Related Events (Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: Just want to be clear about that Daredevil line, and it does apply here, just it usually doesn't and I don't want it to be misused: the reason that (and this) works is the exact wording of "the past x years". In this way, the lines have more room for interpretation, as you can consider them counting years as individual things (hence the "the" in the statement) rather than doing maths. For example, counting the years of 2013 and 2014 in the case of Daredevil, rather than calculating 2015-2012.3 = 2.7, almost 3, "3".
 * The synopsis for The Road to Avengers: Infinity War - The Art of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Vol. 2 states: “The Avengers have come a long way since they first assembled to fight off an alien invasion. The past five years have brought more and more challenges, and Earth's Mightiest Heroes have always risen to face them.”
 * We are five years after the Battle of New York, doing the same thing with Daredevil: Season One, we are during the first months of 2018.
 * Placement for Infinity War: Between January-April 2018

It's different for something that says more like "It's been 3 years since...".

It's also the reason the Vision line in Civil War kind of works, because again, he talks about the 8 years and can thus be taken to be counting individual years rather than doing a calculation - hence, more room for interpretation. So in that case, we can take it as him counting, "2009, that's the 1st year; 2010, that's the 2nd; 2011, that's the 3rd; 2012, that's the 4th; 2013, that's the 5th; 2014, that's the 6th; 2015, that's the 7th; and 2016, that's the 8th year. There have been 8 years."

The word "the" is crucial.

Anyway, yes, they say "the" years here, so it can work. But since the whole idea of the counting individually rather than doing a calculation involves the idea of the exact decimals of the years not mattering, technically, going by that interpretation of "5 years", this could be any point in 2018.

However, the other reason that we give the Daredevil line a pass is, of course, the fact that it's right at the beginning of the year. Because obviously the later it gets, the less plausible it is that you can give it a pass. Once you go past the point where it's a whole extra year, you're really pushing plausibility (i.e. if the Daredevil line were behind said in June 2015, so over 3 years on).

So I do agree, if all you were told is: "The only evidence for Infinity War is that it is 2018 and this art book", then ideally it should be January but otherwise, it should definitely really be no later than April because, as I've mentioned, once you hit 6 full years you're really pushing the plausibility of our fudging to make it work.

But that all said, it's just an art book blurb. I don't think it's that important.

Marvelus wrote: I think you put a little bit too much into that comment about the time between release dates. All it means is what they always say, "It's been 2 years, as in real life."
 * TWO years since Civil War.
 * Link, Plus, the Russos confirmed that it has been the same amount of time between Civil War and Infinity War’s reléase dates. Civil War was released on May 6th 2016 and Infinity War was released on April 27th 2018.
 * Civil War events began on May 3rd
 * Infinity War events begin in a non definite month.
 * Russos’ comment indicate that it has been 23 months between Lagos’s incident and the Attack on the Statesman.
 * Infinity War MIGHT be set on April 2018 after all.

Anyway, if it were exactly 23.75 months between the main events of the films, that would place Infinity War in mid-June 2018, 23.75 months after the events of Civil War in late June 2018.

Marvelus wrote: Yeah, all good and helpful comments. There's some more in the 2018 references.
 * About four months after Thor: Ragnarok.
 * SIX years after The Avengers.
 * Three years since Age of Ultron. (Link) “The Russos say Banner has been the Hulk for two years, which makes sense, he will be exactly three years as the Hulk after May 2018, something that hasn’t happened.”
 * FOUR years after Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 (Link)

Marvelus wrote: OK so this is why you put Episode 14 on March 22nd.
 * Episode 11: December 9th, 2017.
 * Episode 12: December 11th, 2017
 * Episode 13: January 2nd-January 4th, 2018
 * Episode 14: March 22nd, 2018
 * Episode 15: (ending) March 24th, 2018
 * Episode 16: March 25th, 2018
 * Episode 17: March 25th, 2018
 * Episode 18: March 26th, 2018
 * Episode 19: April 4th, 2018
 * Avengers: Infinity War = April 4th-5th, 2018
 * Episode 20-22: April 5th, 2018

If the logic behind Infinity War being April 4th-5th is just based on that Russos comment, I really feel that's one very minor comment among a see of comments and evidence that place Infinity War.

The thing is, this actually all rests on Ant-Man and the Wasp, not on Infinity War. And Ant-Man and the Wasp either takes place in mid-to-late March, late April-early May, or mid-to-late June. There's no in between (unless some more evidence pops up, I guess). It rounds to one of the three.
 * Mid-to-late March if Scott halved his final 6 months.
 * Late April-early May if we go by the laptop and assume that there was some weird reason why his house arrest wasn't an exact number of months.
 * Mid-to-late June going by the fact that really, it should be a full 24 months after Civil War.

And Infinity War should only be 1 week after Ant-Man and the Wasp, because that's the minimum, and we really need it to be minimum to minimise the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. gaps. So Infinity War is:
 * March 28th-29th
 * May 9th-10th
 * or June 26th-27th.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Question, wouldn't some of Episode 20 be on April 4th? Since the security camera time stamp of Talbot absorbing Crusher in his hospital room was 23:24:05:08 to about 23:24:08:18. Marvelus wrote: Well, I haven't used the exact timing because I have watched both shows as a contributor and not as a fan, and I don't currently have all the time of the world, sadly, but BEJT has already do the exact timings. Yeah Episodes 19-22 cross over from Wednesday to Thursday.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Since it's tied to events of Infinity War -- it's likely there's more adjusting to be made. Like how it appeared settled, then the 4/30 timestamp from Ant-Man and The Wasp happened. Then what will they say in press for AOS S6 and Avengers 4 about how much time has passed -- will that help or hurt what you guys settle on. I wouldn't say it was ever settled, and it still isn't. But like I say, there appears to be 3 options.

I do hope we get more evidence. It should hopefully help guide an ultimate decision, as I'm currently pretty uncomfortable with any placement.

Write-Ups (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I said that I would send my evidence at some time, I was planning this for October, but then several things came into and well... I had kept my promise, at least, soon I will help with the writing of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 and maybe a few TV Shows.

Even when I am mad at Netflix shows being cancelled like The Defenders, Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Daredevil, I am glad that we won't have more timeline problems coming soon and we will have less TV Shows to work on, because we are reallly late with every Marvel project at this point xD. Not complaining eh. Do whatever you feel you can/are happy with doing.

I've got to be honest, I'd rather not have how far behind we are on write-ups mentioned. It's a bit of a sore spot with me. Thanks for pointing out you're not complaining it's just... I get stressed.

I'm doing my best. My life is busy and I am hardworking and things in life often go wrong, and there was such a splurge of content (16 months of non-stop content until November 2018, the first month since June 2017 with nothing coming out).

I was really happy with the work I was getting done a few weeks ago, I had gained momentum and efficiency with this stuff and was getting through the write-ups at a good pace to catch up. But then exams happened and my laptop broke and I couldn't work for a while. But I've started working on write-ups again.

Like I keep saying, I have a list. I have a to-do list of everything on the wiki, and I prioritise using various factors.

But the list of write-ups is essentially in release order, with some exceptions: I'm simultaneously finishing writing up Black Panther and Infinity War, so once those are done, I'll be able to double my focus on these show write-ups. I should also have more time from mid-December to early January.
 * I rejigged Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ' s episode order so that instead of just writing up all the future-set episodes (which are less important) then all the present-set episodes, which is the order they aired, it instead alternates so some of the later episodes are earlier and some of the earlier episodes are later.
 * With the Netflix series, I act like the seasons aired with Episode 1 coming out on the releas date, Episode 2 a week later, Episode 3 a week after that, etc.. This means I don't end up with just a whole block of each season at a time, which would become incredibly monotonous and boring - and it also sets the precedent for the future for me that I know frankly, it's unrealistic to write up a whole season at once.
 * The last 4 episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. are not part of the episode list, since they are linked with Infinity War and appear separately on my list of film writing-up that is still to be done.

And obviously I'm doing a bunch of other work on here at the same time.

But I'm doing my best and, as I had started to prove in October-November, I mean it when I say that I have every intention of working my way through at a good pace and catching up entirely in the coming months. It's all about prioritising.

I just get stressed whenever someone mentions things that haven't been written up yet, because I'm really self-conscious about this and how behind I am. I need to remind myself that I have to prioritise important things in life because I'm too tempted sometimes to put wiki work over more important things because I get so stressed about this.

Going to keep working on this, I promise, and I'm keeping track of how far behind we are at all times (I was making sure in October-November that I was working through the work so that the number of days behind we are was almost always decreasing). It's 11.5 months currently, because my work is done up to late December. But it will shrink.

I need my promises to be made correctly though, because when I don't, I then get stressed that I'm letting people on here down. My promise is: I mean it when I say I am devoted to this and capable of doing it so long as life goes OK. But I do not promise that I will always be able to keep up consistent fast work, as life has complications. I need to add this exception to know you all understand, so that I needn't feel so stressed when I'm having more tricky times and can't keep up my work on here, because I need to be able to not worry about the wiki and focus on myself at those times, and the stress of feeling like I'm letting people down here only makes my situation worse.

Final Netflix Seasons' Placements (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I guess one consolation of the Netflix cancellations, are you guys don't have to figure out when the next slate of shows are post-Snap and presumably Jones and Punisher will still be set before it. Jessica Jones: Season 3 looks to actually be set after. Set photos suggest it will be set around Hallowe'en 2018.

The Future of Marvel TV (Mrmichaelt, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I just realized the other day that New Warriors is still in limbo. Man. So there's Runaways this month, then next year Jessica Jones, Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, AOS, Loki, maybe the Vision and The Scarlet Witch one. Still a hefty plate on the TV side. Jeph Loeb said a few months ago that they're still looking around for somewhere to air New Warriors. You're right though, with the Disney+ series starting, the TV slate is not much lighter with less (and soon to be no) Netflix. Although the Disney+ series will be half the length of a Netflix season.

Also, most content now I guess will be dropping-all-at-once stuff. It used to be that all TV was week-to-week ABC things, and this time last year we were actually getting 2 episodes of Marevl TV a week with Runaways and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. But now Runaways has changed to an all-at-once drop and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has almost halved its episodes-per-season and taken a bigger break, plus we're getting the Disney+ stuff.

In the September 2018-September 2019 TV season, plus the last 3 months of 2019, we're going to end up with: All at once: Week-to-week: 72.5 : 23, 76% of the TV content. Bit annoying since I find the week-to-week release easier to handle but oh well.
 * 10 episodes of Iron Fist.
 * 13 episodes of Daredevil.
 * 13 episodes of Runaways.
 * 13 episodes of The Punisher.
 * 13 episodes of Jessica Jones.
 * 7ish episodes of Loki.
 * Possibly 7ish episodes (let's treat it like 3.5 episodes because uncertain) of Vision and the Scarlet Witch.
 * 10 episodes of Cloak & Dagger.
 * 13 episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

Marvelus wrote: I read somewhere that New Warrios has already filmed the pilot episode.

When it comes to the Spin offs from Marvel Studios in Disney+, those are limited series, no second seasons and stuff coming afterwards. So we are safe! :'D Do we know for certain that there's no second seasons? It seems like there shouldn't be but I don't know that that's been confirmed.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Yeah, I read that, too. I hope it's not dead in the water like Most Wanted or Damage Control. It seemed like it could be a fun series.

Oh yeah. That's right. That's one silver lining, heh. Well Most Wanted has been officially cancelled. Damage Control hasn't officially but yeah, it's not happening.

Marvelus wrote: I think Damage Control was scrapped after Homecoming debut of the agency.

It was said no long ago that the TV Shows could not make stories that were obliged to affect in a big way the films, that is why they let them use the S.H.I.E.L.D. coming back plot for Season 4 only because the agency would have been declared defunct afterwards. So no movie would adress that.

So Damage Control may have been afected by it.

Yes! This limited series are like Marvel One Shots expanded on several episodes.

I have the feeling that soon, Marvel films will start to make all MCU installments and Marvel TV will not be longer running any kind of product. I don't know. We are having Shang-Chi as a replacement for Iron Fist on the film side and the Eternals being the replacement of the Inhumans on the film side. I think Damage Control died way before that. We haven't hear anything about that in years. Maybe, I guess, it could have been back in 2016 when they were planning Homecoming and informed Marvel Television.

The one-shot thing was exactly how I described it to people when these were announced. Like one-shots, but with more major characters and as a miniseries.

Those films aren't literally replacements for TV stuff, they just bear resemblance, but no, I think Marvel Television will still be involved with projects. Far too many jobs to drop. They will keep making some things for the foreseeable future (they also make Fox stuff like Legion and The Gifted). That said, it does seem like they're being suppressed a bit.

Mrmichaelt wrote: True. In the same vein, I'm curious about those rumors about Tony leading a new SHIELD in Avengers 4 Wow, I thought I'd heard every possible theory and rumour about this film... hadn't heard that one.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Didn't think of Eternals and Shang-Chi like that, makes sense though. I remember reading some report that Disney isn't letting Marvel TV shop anymore shows. And the timing of AOS S7 being announced and Dungey stepping down at ABC, 7 could be the last season and if that claim they're still working on developing new shows is b.s. or not. C&D and Runaways, I'm curious what the plan is for them after their 2nd seasons. I wouldn't worry too much outside of Netflix for now.

Marvelus wrote: However, if they put Stark as the director of S.H.I.E.L.D. I hope that they do not thrown a line about being the first time the agency got reformed. Because that is NOT truth...

Yes! That is why I have the feeling that we will not be having anymore TV Shows, it is sad for some of them, and for the ones that work at Marvel TV, and if they put the characters into the movies I hope they continue with the same actors that we have been seeing because I would be mad at it and would burn my entire MCU Collection and stop collaborating in here. It would be a direct stab to the heart. But let's hope that it is just my negativity playing with me. S.H.I.E.L.D. were already back around in Age of Ultron and Fury and Hill are definitely working as part of S.H.I.E.L.D. in Infinity War, so we're fine. And that would just be too ignorant of the shows, it's not just a slip-up, it's an active ignorance. They wouldn't do that.

There is nothing to suggest that there will be no more TV. That's quite a big leap from Netflix having their own problems and severing ties with Disney, and Disney making a new type of TV show, to assuming all of Marvel TV is closing down.

And they won't reboot TV stuff with new actors in the MCU (hence retconning the shows out). Those articles going around annoyed me because it's a misinterpretation of the original source's tweet. The man was saying "It's so hard contractually for these shows to go to Disney+ that if they were to do it, it would have to be a reboot." He wasn't saying they will reboot it, he was using it as a further point for how hard it is for this to ever go to Disney+.

And Marvel Studios don't want to disrespect the TV fans. They know that millions of fans would be angry/upset if they retconned the shows out.

Mrmichaelt wrote: It's a valid concern. They shouldn't punish the actors for what execs have done. And it's the actors who have that real link with the fans through conventions. I hope it can be like Matt Ryan's case and how he's now portraying Constantine in several continuities after the NBC show got canned. They did a good job with Constantine after that cancellation. Man, I hope the Netflix characters get to show up somewhere again, though I can't see where that would possibly be.

Marvelus wrote: All those actors deserve better. Hopefully, they are gonna work it out.

Sorry for the delayed answer. Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed. But I expect some he said/she said articles about Marvel and Netflix. Super awkward for the cast and crews of Jessica Jones season 3 and Punisher season 2. Oh there's already a bunch of those articles.

Marvelus wrote: Jessica Jones S3 is still filming now that you mentioned that. Poor Kyrsten :c, I love her, at least, she got her trillogy. Yeah I haven't seen anything about it having wrapped yet, but it does feel like it's been filming a very long time now.

Mrmichaelt wrote: That's right... they must be just about wrapping up. What like 6 months of filming -- squint -- they started in June? Yeah, Ritter's awesome. Probably the only person to try and teach Colbert knitting on The Late Show. I heard about her doing knitting as a hobby (ironic, very different to the kind of thing Jessica would enjoy😂). She seems really fun and cool. Haven't heard about that Colbert clip, should check that out.

Marvelus wrote: Yes, they started immediately after the release of Season 2, it was fast xD I was a bit worried with how fast it was, having hoped they would take a bit more time to plan, prepare, and write Season 3 to get it right.

Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 Feelings (Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: The only reasons I am going to see that movie: Coulson and that last scene of Danvers fighting the Skrulls and Kree. I don't really feel the necessity of seeing it. Really? It's an MCU film, it's a necessity to see it anyway!

And while I didn't love that second trailer, I'm definitely intrigued by this film and this character and many things going on, I'm excited for it. Especially with the reports that this film is something more special than we realise.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Coulson and Fury. Yes! And Skrulls. Long time coming. And to cringe at the 90s references. Marvelus wrote: I am not excited at all about Avengers 4, all the information that ic oming about time travel, another villain more dangerous than Thanos (reallly?), the storyline does not seem interesting to me... Will see. I hope the trailer gives me goosebumps because I don't know what to think about the fourth Avengers installment. Don't confuse theories with rumours. No rumour has ever said there will be time travel. We don't know that.

And even if there is time travel, it could be a creative/different/scientific thing. So long as it's not time travel being used to undo things and "change the timeline", that cheap and overused and easy cop-out solution, I don't mind. And I have faith that Marvel wouldn't do something so lazy for this story they've been building for years.

As for the storyline... we don't know it. Pretty much at all. Don't write it off yet!

Not at all, really? Man, I'm so excited. Slightly nervous, but excited. I can't quite grasp my excitement yet because the film doesn't yet feel real to me, with not even a title or official image it does just feel like it's a massive pile of speculation and theories and rumours and nonsense, which therefore leads to more concern. But that will soon change, and I can't wait for my hype to properly begin.

Marvelus wrote: I am excited about the Skrulls too!! And the Son of Coul of course. Mrmichaelt wrote: Any of movie that's in the past or future should be a concern in terms of continuity, namely Captain Marvel and Avengers 4, potentially. A lot of mistakes can be made since it's been around 10 years and counting and with the TV side as well. Marvelus wrote: Yes but one thing is a minor error like mistaking a past date instead of making a huge plot mistake that has ocurred in the Universe ignoring S.H.I.E.L.D. second downfall.

I don't know if you understood a word that I just wrote xD Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed. It's a pity they 'hide' behind that excuse not collaborating because of the movies and TV being on different schedules. It'd be disappointing if they don't pepper in a nod to the return and 2nd fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. or them saving Chicago (and the world). Not like much of the movies had an opening to acknowledge the present status, the movies are more focused on its past - Ant-Man and The Wasp and Captain Marvel namely. What do you mean by the second fall of S.H.I.E.L.D.? I don't remember them falling a second time. Do you mean the S.H.I.E.L.D. Civil War in 2015?

Those sorts of events probably won't get acknowledged sadly, but I wouldn't worry too much about any major inconsistencies.

Marvelus wrote: Well, it is not an "excuse", it is the reality. The example that you have mentioned of the Battle of Chicago is the first. The Infinity War script must have been finished around November 2016, the script for the final episode of Season 5 was finished around March-April 2018. And they never planned to connect with Infinity War initially because they knew it was a big deal, but then there was a mid-season in between and the Season was "delayed" to finish on May 2018. They had to force the connection. So it is pretty valid for me the fact that schedulling is a problem. Because it is. Great points about the scheduling, that's a really good example.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I wasn't even considering Infinity War, I meant "4". Even if they finished both scripts in 2016, it's not unheard of them making revisions on the set during filming. But I digress, the point is, I also really want a mention of the 'Coulson-led' (though I guess now it's Mackenzie-led) S.H.I.E.L.D. but it's not something I'm holding my breath for. They're yet to even acknowledge that Fury is no longer director, sadly. They've played it so that film fans can assume he still is, without ever explicitly saying "I am director" since Winter Soldier.

Marvelus wrote: Hmm, I see your point, well you are right about that. Someday, we will see more connections, because there has been some. I think with content moving all under the Disney umbrella, there is more of a chance of TV-film integration in the future. One day.

Marvelus wrote: Hopefully! Lets see if the trailer gives me more confidence on Avengers 4 because everything I have heard had not attracted my attention at all. I hope it clears some of your worries and makes it feel more tangible and exciting for you.

My Feelings on the Cancellations
I said I would pass on my feelings about this Daredevil stuff to here. I'm just going to link the discussion page, because I don't have time to copy and edit the comments, but if you're interested in my thoughts about the Netflix cancellations, here.