Thread:BEJT/@comment-32551792-20200209092106/@comment-26838855-20200212214908

Bennyhef234 wrote: Also, if I may ask, what about the alternate Captain America, Iron Man, Thor etc from 2012 that haven't been included to their pages? Was there a reason why those version were never included? MJLogan95 wrote: They were, but they were deleted. I'm curious why, because for example Star-Lord's wasn't deleted. I didn't know about that. Again, I've kind of steered clear of this stuff because I found it too stressful how it was being dealt with.

This is one example of what I feel of the inconsistency and lack of clarity, one part of my stress.

Marvelus wrote: I think they were removed because a discussion in the Playground got opened about how to treat alternate versions of the characters Bennyhef234 wrote: I must have missed that. Why did they make that decision? Technically they're the same as any other character from an alternate timeline. It just seems odd that it isn't done for them. Marvelus wrote: I am just guessing they were deleted got that reason, but we did have a discussion which I don't know if it got a solution, but I do agree we should have pages for different versions of the character. I suggested tabs for splinter timeline characters while separate pages for any future parallel universes, like potentially What If...?. But there was a disagreement over how universes function and I was unable to contribute to the discussion after that (again, I was finding it way too stressful anyway).

MJLogan95 wrote: There were, and they got deleted. For good measure, in certain cases. Yeah, that was without a policy implementation.

Bennyhef234 wrote: Well, I don't know about any of that (it does require an actual discussion), but I was wondering about just adding the information to the pages, as the other ones do. Marvelus wrote: That is because we did never have a correct layout and policies to make it work and they were all kind of rushed. I think we will discuss when What If...? is released. Bennyhef234 wrote: Agreed. However, I think we need a better way to really discuss it in the most effective way. Absolutely.

Marvelus wrote: My idea is to write the different versions of the characters with only pointing out what we know. For example in the case of Captain America we should just write what happened after defeating Loki, because that is everything we know and ignore the entire "this version of the character's past is the same as to the main one". We should be objective and that is the best way I believe, now when it comes to Runaways, that is tricky. We know that Captain America has an identical past up to May 4, 2012. That's not an assumption.

Runaways is different because it's alternate versions of the timeline rather than alternate timelines, so I would definitely go for tabs there.

MJLogan95 wrote: Bennyhef234 wrote: Well, I don't know about any of that (it does require an actual discussion), but I was wondering about just adding the information to the pages, as the other ones do. I was busy & didn't get to elaborate at first, but yes, the Captain America, Loki, & Thor alternate pages were deleted. It copy/pasted the main page's information up until the end of the Battle of New York, and then added the stuff that occurred in the Time Heist.

The admins then deleted it & simply had the Time Heist stuff added to the end of the main page. Which I agreed with for those pages personally, since the majority of the information were copy/paste. I'm not sure if a discussion was made for Gamora & Loki; Gamora would have less copy/paste as alt Gamora didn't even go through over 90% of the stuff in the main Gamora's bio. Loki would have a decent amount, from the very beginning up until a little after the "I'd like to have that drink now" part. The problem is that they don't just have identical biographies per se so much as they literally have the same history because they're the same character until the universe is split, but there was a disagreement on that. If you follow it down and then there are tabs, that accurately represents the way the characters split.

The other problem, though, is that you would have to somehow constantly make sure any edits made to the early bio of one page are exactly matched in another page.

For parallel universes like it seems is happening with What If..?, you don't have that problem because they are actually separate characters so having a similar past is only assumption, and they would have their literal own biography.

Bennyhef234 wrote: Ok, I think this has strayed away from what I was asking. All I was saying is why don't we add the Time Heist alternate timeline stuff onto the main pages for Cap, Iron Man, Thor etc. like there is for Loki, Frigga, Pierce, Red Skull etc.? I am not talking about making new pages or any of that. Just simply why those character pages to also include their alternate timeline scenes (Cap v Cap, Tony's heart attack etc.) That was all. I don't know, I think they should. I think it's a shame this isn't coordinated.