Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180716231743

I have good news, guy. My relative replied and it looks like March will work. I'll go into it more at the bottom.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Doesn't matter what I think, you (BEJT) are the best person to handle this sort of things so I end up trusting in you. I refused to accept Winter Soldier in January 2014 and Fury's Big Week in 2010 but you have the touch. You got the touch so I will trust in every decision you make.

And the reason I don't want Avengers: Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp on June 2018 is because of Spider-Man: Far From Home picking up right after Avengers 4 which will be not too long since Infinity War. Tony looks a bit old yeah, but he looks mostly the same on Infinity War, stress and sadness along depression can cause that in a few weeks, even days. Ant-Man's arc will surely be right after from where we see him on Ant-Man and the Wasp. And other factors, the Avengers will not rest until what Thanos did gets ended.

Parker will return to summer vacation which means he will have to end some Junior Year exams and then continue with summer. And surely a few months may happen between Infinity War and stuff. Oh man. We are not going to get answer until May 2019 aren't we?

We had all figured it out :( Of course it matters what you think! It's just that dialogue about "30 years" is very flexible, trust me and The Wikia Editor. If it shows "30 years" on-screen that's a little different.

Dude, I really don't want them in June either, I was just preparing because I thought that might have to be the case. But from my relative's response, it sounds like doesn't have to be, and March is possible, so I think we'll be going with that then - at least until Far from Home probably messes it up again😂.

Like you say, we probably won't be able to know for sure for another year, but hey, we always just have to work off of the evidence we currently have available.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Rewatching Infinity War post credit scene, I noticed a few snow on the ground. Interesting, I've never noticed that but I'll have another look at some point. I guess it's possible that there is some, because the scene was filmed in January.

The Wikia Editor wrote: The reception to how Danny was portrayed in Luke Cage: Season 2 has been pretty much overwhelmingly positive, so things are looking up for Iron Fist: Season 2 all things considered. I got that impression of a positive reaction too. Although the critic I was talking about, who works for Empire and discussed this on the Empire podcast, said he still hated Danny in this. Maybe it was just his opinion that threw me a bit because he was so assured on it like it was the general consensus, and maybe he's actually one of only a few people who are so down on the last 2½ years of Marvel Netflix and Luke Cage: Season 2 and Danny's appearance in the season.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I didn't particularly hate it either. It had its moments and I hope that Season 2 will end more along the level of quality of the other shows.

I do think that it's unfortunate that Inhumans didn't get a second chance, since it could similarly have improved. Oh well, maybe a crossover with the S.H.I.E.L.D. team is still possible. I think they might just bury it. It's a bit of a shame because there's a lot of potential for great stuff from some of the Inhuman Royal Family characters, but they messed it up, and short of declaring it non-canon and restarting I can't really see them returning to the characters. I did find it kinda funny when, in Infinity War, Hulk's Bifrost beam flies past the Moon and I turned to the friend I was seeing it with and went, "Say hi to Maximus!"

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, people would obviously have been aware of the connection due to Punisher's appearance in Daredevil: Season 2 and Karen's appearance in his own show. Some people were actually hoping he would show up in The Defenders, but that obviously didn't happen.

In general, people seemed to really like it, especially since it was a lot more down-to-Earth compared to what came immediately before. No I know people are aware it's connected, I just think that it doesn't get thought of as much when people are talking about the Marvel Netflix shows in general, because it's outside of the main set of Defenders and feels a little bit more disconnected.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Like I said, people generally still like them. In fact, one of the things that people liked about Luke Cage: Season 2 is that it actually made use of the fact that these characters now all know each other and had them team up for at least a short while, something that was lacking in Jessica Jones: Season 2. Yeah I did like that, that it wasn't as seemingly-scared about being a part of the Defenders universe as Jessica Jones: Season 2 was. I don't know if that was because Jessica Jones: Season 2 began production so soon after The Defenders: Season 1 and so maybe they were writing at the same time, or just for whatever reason they wanted to keep it separate, but it all-but acted as if The Defenders didn't happen.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yes, it's the "STANMAN" plate. As for U.S. plates in general, it seems to vary a bit from state to state. In Georgia, for example, car registration happens on an annual basis, with car owners having a 30 day period leading up to their birthday to renew their registration. And even then, certain counties have different rules, requiring people to renew their registration between January 1 and April 30. OK thanks. U.S. laws being different in different states gets confusing. I'll make sure to bear the possibility of number plates giving evidence in mind when I start rewatching for my major project.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm glad you agree with me on the time gap, as for your observations, I do have a couple of things to add to it:
 * I agree that it's odd that the team would take a while to discuss Yo-Yo's actions, but it's possible that the intensity of the mission resulted in them not wanting to talk about it in the immediate aftermath following their return to the Lighthouse.
 * Mack not knowing how Hale escaped is also admittedly odd, but again, it's possible that he decided not to pry too deeply for details after seeing that they were all pretty stressed out following their return. He knew the important details (Yo-Yo killed Ruby and Hale escaped) and wouldn't necessarily have demanded further details right then and there.
 * Daisy has generally been trying to avoid having an immediate leadership role, so it's possible that she has been avoiding having further discussions with Coulson on the matter.
 * Similar to the progression of Coulson's illness, we never get an exact estimate as to how long Fitz and Simmons were working on the Zephyr. They also mentioned being nearly finished extracting residual traces of Gravitonium from the machine, and we similarly don't know how long that took them.
 * According to this site, broken or bruised ribs can take between 3 to 6 weeks to heal, so Simmons' comment about Deke's ribs could still be weeks after the fact.
 * The team probably has a limited wardrobe, given that they're wanted fugitives and all, so it's not out of the question that they would regularly alternate between a fairly small selection of clothing.
 * Similar to the Statesman, we don't know how far Qovas' ship was from Earth and how long it took them to get there. A few weeks or months isn't out of the question.
 * Talbot's mind was pretty damaged all things considered, it's not impossible that he talked in circles for several weeks before getting his idea.
 * I agree that Deke would probably take the cast off a bit earlier than advised. That being said, he did at least look comfortable enough to run around without visibly being in pain, suggesting that he has at least decently healed up.

Again, I agree that it's not ideal, but it can still work if we assume that the agents deliberately decided to focus on their immediate tasks following the end of Episode 18 and didn't get around to talking about what happened until the start of Episode 19. The clothing was more me looking for "If all their clothes are the same, that suggests it's only hours later", which isn't the case, and that perhaps supports a gap of anything from a day upwards. It doesn't really suggest any specific gap other than that maybe it isn't merely hours. The few of them with the same clothes I wasn't saying supported the episodes being close together.

The Wikia Editor wrote: As for The Last Jedi, I generally try to see the good in the Sequel Trilogy, but there's definitely stuff in there that kinda annoys me. The biggest being that they seem to be systematically erasing all of the progress made in the Original Trilogy and basically resetting the status quo to some extent, giving the same "Rebels vs. Empire" dynamic that we've already seen before at the cost of the original characters' legacy. But again, that's just me voicing my opinion. You're a lot more measured and fair in your criticisms than many people out there, I appreciate that. I tried to avoid giving my opinion in the previous post, but I am actually quite a big fan of The Last Jedi for the bold storytelling steps it took and the richness of its themes and expansion of the universe. I love all the Rey and Luke stuff and the direction they took Kylo Ren, and I just think the final hour of the film is sensational and beautiful, gorgeous to watch with fantastic and epic action and some of Mark Hamill's best acting ever, with a subversion of expectations with his character that still delivers massive effect (for me at least) - and yeah, just everything in Snoke's throne room and with the Holdo manoeuvre and the Battle of Crait I just think is some of the best stuff in Star Wars ever.

I understand some of the legitimate criticisms levelled against it for its disconnection from The Force Awakens and how that perhaps isn't a good form of storytelling, and that it did too much subversion of expectations, had some plot holes, some cringey moments, and that many people feel it was not faithful to the character of Luke Skywalker or respectful enough to the Original Trilogy. Personally, I didn't mind the disconnect from The Force Awakens because I liked the new flavour to the film. I also thought Rian Johnson did the best possible thing for J.J.'s mystery boxes - which I don't think he really had satisfactory answers for. Rey being no-one of significance makes her more of a self-made character and distances us from the midichlorian "the Force is genetic" idea and more back into the idea of the Force binding us all and being found by people who seek it through a mix of strength of person and only some of it being genetics. I also didn't mind Snoke just being killed off, because it set the table very differently for Episode IX instead of just building to him being the Emperor of the new trilogy and things going all Return of the Jedi in the next one - it allows the more interesting Kylo Ren to become our primary antagonist which is really interesting. Sure, it might have been nice to get a lore reveal about his history, but it's not really that meaningful to anyone's characters. The subversion of expectations excited me after the main criticism of The Force Awakens being its familiarity. I think there are indeed plot holes, as there are with most films, but they've been exaggerated. I agree there's some cringey parts (some of the humour and some Canto Bight stuff), although again, less than a lot of people feel there are - personally, I liked Rose Tico as a character, for example. I felt Luke's actions were perfectly in keeping with his character, or at least the expectations I had of him following the changes apparent from The Force Awakens to have happened in the interim 30 years, but I did feel that the film didn't give enough time to soak in Luke's death - although I think it is also trying in a way to tell us that it's not supposed to be sad, when Rey talks to Leia about how content they feel about it.

Obviously, there's been a lot of messy arguing around the film (well, that's a massive understatement), and there's an impression that all people who dislike the film are sexist or racist or entitled, which isn't the case, it's just that those kinds of people are more vocal. There are indeed legitimate reasons that many don't like the film - personally, I do like it a lot, and I'm also fine with people not liking it so long as they have an actual discussion, but it saddens me to see the state of the Star Wars fanbase these days, and also that discussion about Star Wars is no longer fun.

Didn't mean to start a conversation about The Last Jedi - I've had so many discussions about the film in the last 7 months and of course this is the MCU Wiki. But oh well. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about the reasons behind the extreme reactions and about the misconceptions about both sides of the debate/argument and what the real picture is, the mistakes that were made by people on both sides, etc.. But I'm not going to really get into it because it'll take too long and I won't stop and this is the MCU Wiki. It's been very interesting, but sadly, for mostly bad reasons.

The Wikia Editor wrote: To be fair, Victor would have probably picked them up regardless of the message, so it still fits with my explanation.

At least we're not dealing with physical time travel, so at least it's less of a headache all things considered. Yeah, honestly it could kind of just be nice for them to be a bit dismissive of the whole thing.

The Wikia Editor wrote: March definitely sounds better. Especially when factoring in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5. We're already struggling to get it to March, June is almost impossible. Looks like March could work, as I'll explain in a minute. So for now at least, we might be off the hook.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Don't worry, we're not too keen on it being in June 2018 either, so we're definitely on the same pagee regarding that.

And yeah, we're going to have to wait a while before we can get any answers. On the one hand, it builds anticipation, on the other hand, it slows down our timeline related work since we still don't know how it's all going to fit together. Exactly, I too am not keen on June. And there could be some difficulty next year but we'll take every challenge as it comes.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Are you sure that's not just ash? In any case, the weather in the MCU has always been on the weird side. If it is indeed snow, then it could at least serve as evidence that it's not June 2018. If it is snow, then agreed, like in The Devil Complex, it also points to it being earlier than June. And March just about works.

Cornstomper wrote: Guys, I just remembered something big. DURING Infinity War they say that Scott's still on House Arrest, which means they absolutely have to run concurrently. I think even if Scott had been a day out of house arrest he would've been approached, as ant-man is a really valuable asset especially when you got Thanos coming after the universe.

That being said, that's stated at the end of the first day (in our 2018 page), so that could probably at the most the second last day of Scott's house arrest

However, I'll try to say why this irks me without giving away spoilers, but I definitely believe there needs to be a gap between Ant-Man and the Wasp and it's post-credit scenes. Considering the technology used in it isn't available during the main events there needs to be at least a few days needed to build it, this might cause a whole lotta problems. Cornstomper wrote: I think I can narrow that time frame, without spoilers.

The latest the film can start is June 20, because Scott claims he can "swing by tommorrow" at Luis' workplace to drop off something needed for a meeting, as his house arrest is finished. I don't know much about the business world being a young boy of 20, but I'm pretty sure these can't happen on weekends, meaning that the beginning of Scott's 3 final days has to be on the Wednesday, being the 20th.

Now I'm still trying to work out the exact timeline of the film, but if it turns out any of this is wrong, then we can still firmly hold that it's the 21st at the latest, since day 2 sees schools open with students in attendance, meaning at the latest it is Friday.

I was trying to work out how this works with Infinity War, but it's late and I need to sleep but it's scrambling my head. Relooking at the Infinity War mention of Scott being in House Arrest, I assume the first day of Infinity War runs with the third of Ant-Man, since (reasons I just realised are spoilery).

But now after getting up to re-edit this post for the hundredth time I now realise, for other reasons that are definitely spoilers, that Marvel may have done another 8 years later and messed up their own timeline. I can't really figure out a way to go into it unless there's a spoiler text feature I don't know about. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp are not concurrent. I know the possibilities of the case but it is not possible. Few weeks have passed between Third arc's ending and first post credit scene.

The mention in Infinity War does not imply anything actually. Cornstomper wrote: Specifically they say they need "all hands on deck" and then "...Scott took a deal, it was too tough on their families, they're on house arrest". Pretty sure the implication is Scott's still under house arrest, since they say they can't get him because of said state of being under house arrest. Even if this was the same as the third day where Scott is freed, they'd know about it because of the events in the third act of Ant-Man. Deadpooled123 wrote: Cornstomper- that is incorrect.

It is clear Ant Man & The Wasp happens several weeks before Infinity War. Several weeks later, the mid credits scene shows the effect and then the post credits scene is hours after the effect.

Infinity War starts AFTER Ant Man & The Wasp, they DO NOT happen con-currently. The only thing that relates them is the mid credits scene. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Thanks Dead. Don't worry about the minor spoiler of the fact that there is an Infinity War tie-in in the mid-credits scene. I know about that, and I don't particularly mind, we'd all pretty much guessed that. I'd just rather not know the nature of the tie-in - what happens in the scene, whether it's a link to the snap or something else, etc..

But sorry, I can't really contribute to this without seeing the film. Not much I can do about it.

Now, my relative replied, and you'll like the response. I do need confirmation from someone who has seen the film that the only mention of 2 years is from the one Jimmy Woo line. But if that is the case, here we go.

So I laid out the situation to my relative with an explanation of the Accords and what Scott did and how he was imprisoned and broken out and what the current problem we have is, and then I finished with 8 questions. These were her replies: This last point has been the hardest to answer, I think because U.K. law treats it differently than U.S. law and as you know each U.S. state can and does have different laws to each other. I seem to read that in the U.K. time in jail does not count if you then get a house arrest, although some U.S. states say it does. So it depends which jurisdiction is dealing with your character. Hope you can make your timeline work! I'll reply to her with a few further questions just about finding exact specific dates, but especially the idea she mentions of 3 months being taken off the sentence works nicely. Sounds like we really might be able to do March 2018 after all, which fits so much better with everything.
 * 1. Does "2 years under house arrest" literally mean 730 days (731 with leap years)? If so, is that always the case?
 * As far as I know it would be 2 full years (not counted in days specifically, but one full set of dates) - up to the day before the anniversary - see next question.
 * 2. If this is the case, what is the date that it ends? Is it 730 days later or is it on the 730th day - in other words, if it began on 16 July 2017, would it end on 16 July 2019 or 15 July 2019?
 * In your example, I'm fairly sure it would be 15 July 2019 i.e. the day before the actual anniversary.
 * 3. If it isn't the case, what sort of date would it end on?
 * N/A.
 * 4. Can such a sentence get shortened during the serving of the time, for example with good behaviour or a lawyer getting involved afterwards to improve the deal? I believe that Americans do more shortening of sentences due to good behaviour than we do in the U.K., at least with prison sentences, but I don't know if that's an option with house arrest as well. He does already have the motivation to behave due to the fact that if he violates his deal he gets 20 years in prison, but even so, is there still the option of a good behaviour shortening of the sentence?
 * Yes I believe there is an option of shortening the house arrest, but it would have to be a judge's decision i.e. he would need to apply to the judge and set out very specific circumstances and good behaviour etc..
 * 5. If there is some leniency to the exactness of the 2 years, some wiggle room could maybe be taken from the fact that the character technically only says that Scott agreed to 2 years to serve, but they don't actually say that he has actually done exactly 2 years. Is that possible, that his agreement didn't end up being the actual amount of time he has done?
 * Yes, I think it's technically possible that he agreed the 2 years but has not done the full 2 years.
 * 6. If there is a shortening of the sentence due to good behaviour or something like that, how does that work? Is it like it gets shortened by a month exactly or 2 months exactly or something like that, or is it like it's shortened to 80% or any other percentage? That kind of thing, how specifically would it be shortened?
 * I imagine it would be set out as a month or two, not so much in percentage terms. It's likely to be after say 18 months that an application is made, asking that instead of the remaining 6 months, he does only a further 3. So it might be specified as a number of months or it could be an uneven number of days, aiming for a particular date eg "the end of next month".
 * 7. When does the deal start? Is it from the moment the plea deal is made? Is it from the moment he returns home? Is there an arranged date after he returns home? Or, I've seem some discussion that it might actually be earlier than all of those and count from the moment he was initially imprisoned, would that be the case?
 * I'm really not an expert in this, but I thought it was the kind of thing you only ask for as time has gone on, not at the start of the time. i.e. once you have done 18 months you might issue an application to reduce the remaining time. With house arrest it's not a given that it will be reduced for good behaviour. As it's more lenient already to prison, you have to really earn any further time deducted (I think).
 * Her response here seems to have misunderstood my question, which was about the date on which the sentence would start. I'll follow up on this and respond soon once she's replied again.
 * 8. If it's the case that it counts from the moment of imprisonment, I've also seen some discussion that his 2 days in prison would count for double towards his sentence, so the 2 days in prison count as 4 days of his house arrest, essentially taking 2 days off his sentence. Is that also the case?
 * My understanding was that certainly time in prison is expected to be halved if there is good behaviour so you only expect to serve half the actual sentence in prison and the rest "on licence" i.e. if you stay out of trouble for the remaining time you are fine. If you get into trouble only once, you are sent straight back to prison to complete your sentence.
 * Again, the first half of the response seems to have misunderstood my question a little, but the second half is what I was asking about. I'll have to have a look about the specifics of San Francisco.

Also don't really know where to put this but in this video, in the latter part where they talk to Emma Lahana, it is reaffirmed that Tandy is 9 during the flashbacks, and Emma also says that this is O'Reilly's first case in New Orleans. So she's very recently moved, meaning Cloak & Dagger should probably (unless we discard this piece of evidence) be before Luke Cage: Season 2. Looks like it will be anyway, so that's fine.