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Greater good wrote: Zippertrain85 wrote:

Greater good wrote:

Zippertrain85 wrote:

AllTimeBlow wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if X-Men will not be incorporated into MCU in the next decade, Fox's X-Men franchise has been reinvigorated since the release of X-Men: Days of Future Past and now they'll have Deadpool movie which fans has been waiting. I think Fox has been doing good with the X-Men cannon for now let's just hope this next X-Men movie will be as good as the last one and Deadpool will be enjoyable like Ant-Man. Disagree, with the losing of not just Wolverine but most of their cast's contracts expiring and Ryan Reynolds confirming he does not have an interest in returning after Wolverine 3 in 2017, the X-Men franchise is going to have to be reboot.

But Fox's best chance for successfully rebooting is with Marvel Studios support, since the superhero market is getting to the point where there's huge competition from Marvel and DC, which Fox starting over might not be able to squeeze into. I mean, be realistic, once the DCEU is established and the MCU gets deep into Phase 3 do you really think Fox with one franchise will be able to keep up? It's just very unlikely, especially considering this year Fox's financial losses that were linked to the Fantastic Four failure's, just imagine how badly an X-Men movie that slips up would be.

With Marvel Studios they could still keep the rights (ala Sony deal), but have the support of Marvel and it's other properties so the series is keep going, Fox makes profits, and the MCU gets all it's characters, it's win-win. Granted, none of this would happen until atleast after early 2017.

People used to think Spider-Man would never come to the MCU because of how profitable the character was, and that Sony was making a new universe for him, but look how that turned out. If Spidey cannot resist the MCU, why would X-Men be some glaring exception? They're completely different situations, dude. The only reason Sony even considered making a deal is because their financial siuation is a mess, while Fox are one of the most profitable companies on the planet and are raking in the cash. If Sony were doing alright financially, they would be hard at work on Sinister Six and The Amazing Spider-Man 3 right now and Marvel would be soldiering without Spidey.

So while Fox are still making lots of money, Marvel will NEVER get the X-Men back. Fantastic Four is looking much more likely, since the reboot was a critical and financial failure and the sequel has been removed from their release schedule. Fox is not having an excellent year, they already suffered a failure in the Fantastic Four reboot. Read this http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/11/rupert-murdoch-blames-fantastic-four-for-foxs-drop-in-earnings.html Them & Columbia Pictures are not that different. I don't know why you guys act like they're some completely unstoppable beast. Sony used to be doing great too, Fox level, and came down due to (as you said) financial issues.

And about the money, even though the series is still somewhat profitable it isn't Avengers level, which is what is considered the standard for big superhero flicks. There biggest crossover X-Men: Days of Future Past made 500 mil worldwide. A good amount, but Avengers made a billion dollars more, hell Ant-Man made that much worldwide. How can Fox with that franchise compete with Disney and WB who will likely be making Avengers-style movies for the forseeable future? But Fox can make that much and more if they team up with Disney and still keep the rights. Avengers vs X-Men, Wolverine vs Hulk, those could easily make more than DoFP (Maybe even Avengers). Any X-Men style film with MCU backing could make there already high numbers grow to Avengers-level.

Tell me, after a lot of their core cast that made the series so popular (Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence, Ryan Reynolds, etc) contracts expiring post Wolverine 3 in 2017 (or they simply wish to retire characters in Jackman and Reynolds' case), do you think it would be easy for Fox to completely re-build their canon while at the same time competing with the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes?

Just think about it. First of all, X-Men: Days of Future Past did not only make $500 million, it made almost $750 million. It made a lot more than Ant-Man and it also made more than Captain America: The Winter Soldier and all of the MCU's Phase One movies except for The Avengers.

Fox have also had huge success with the recent Planet of the Apes movies, the Ice Age franchise, Avatar, the Kung Fu Panda franchise, The Martian, Spy, Kingsman: The Secret Service, Gone Girl and the How To Train Your Dragon movies and The Chronicles of Narnia franchise. They also own lots of really popular TV shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy, Glee, How I Met Your Mother, Modern Family and ''Empire. ''What was the biggest earning studio of last year? That's right, Fox:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-breaks-industry-record-global-761129

Compare that to Sony, who outside of Spider-Man only have three big franchises; James Bond, Jump Street and Men in Black.

Plus, as far as the X-Men go, while James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence will have fulfilled their contractual obligations with X-Men: Apocalypse, all of them have talked about renewing their contracts, and Ryan Reynolds only said that he would not play another superhero again after Deadpool, not that this would be the only time he would be playing him. Then there's the fact that they have a huge star like Channing Tatum playing Gambit and Apocalypse is being played by Oscar Isaac, whose star power is going to skyrocket once Star Wars: The Force Awakens comes out. World wide I saw 500 million, weird. Anyway, it's not quite different either way, even though 250 million is a huge amount of money, in movie standards that isn't too much of a leap. Especially as I said considering this Fox's biggest crossover movie, it should've atleast broken a billion, which it didn't.

With that in mind comes a bigger issue, that Fox is going to have a hard time catching onto the Cinematic universe train with only one franchise to use. The idea of Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders and The Avengers sharing the screen together garners a lot more excitement than the Past X-Men and Modern X-Men doing so. This is an issue Fox they have no real way around when it comes to crossover.

Well, considering we're talking about this year and not last year, I fail to see the relevance of that. Columbia Pictures is one of the top studios in addition to Fox, sure they have had a rough patch, but they're up there too. Besides, you act as if Fox must lose the rights for it to be in the MCU, that's not true. They can keep the rights and continue to make movies, the only thing the deal would encompass is that the movies would take place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe canon. They would be able to make a ton of money not just off the X-Men but off of other Characters (owned by Disney) who they can play around with. As I said before, Avengers v. X-Men and Hulk v. Wolverine are something fans and movie goers have been wanting to see, and could easily do amazing at the box office, break records even for BOTH studios.

As the classic saying goes:

"no matter how much money you got, how can you turn your back on more?" - Todd Alquist

Is it greedy of them? Yeah, it is. But sadly these Studios think with cash, and maybe that might be in Fox's financial interest in the future to team up with Marvel for a project like that.

There are some rumors they will, but nothing really substantial, however. I think the wording of his statement implies he doesn't want to do another superhero movie. I mean, it's kind of a given that someone who already plays a superhero wouldn't want to straight up play another one at the same time.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a657643/ryan-reynolds-doesnt-want-to-play-any-more-superheroes-after-deadpool/

The reports also seem to interpret this as such too.

Popular actors aren't enough to keep a franchise afloat honestly. Tatum has had mixed reviews when it comes to his action movies, and the Apocalypse has actually been criticized for not being loyal to the comics (granted that was more the character's look and not the Actor, Oscar Isaac, but it's worth noting). A movie isn't defined by just it's cast, but the content too.