Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180718203954

BEJT wrote:

Again, I can't really contribute to this discussion having not seen the film, but at least from what I'm aware of, I think Cornstomper's not so much asking where they were during Infinity War but just bringing up the point that in Infinity War they specify that Ant-Man is under house arrest, when his sentence must have actually finished by then. It's something I had considered as well, but there's a few ways of explaining it and I'll see what I think in just over 2 weeks. No need to call Cornstomper a troll if the film doesn't spell out the answer. It's not a usual situation of the TV and film characters not interacting, it is indeed a little odd if Ant-Man is out and about and available and yet they didn't contact him when we know they have contact with him and have brought him in before (and he's not like Spider-Man who's just a teenager they might want to keep out of the situation).

Another explanation I might just throw in, although I don't know if this holds up with the film - the Sokovia Accords still hold, and Scott is under probation. Just because he's out of house arrest doesn't mean he's free, he's only 2 years into the 5 years of his deal because he has 3 years of probation after his house arrest is done. That could explain why they mention that he's still under his deal. As well as this, a second breaking of the Accords could lead to a more severe sentence. BEJT wrote:

Yeah, there seems to be several explanations. As I mentioned earlier, the biggest point of contension is that the Avengers explicitly use the term "house arrest" when talking about Clint and Scott, implying that it's still ongoing at that point.

There are two options: Either they are correct or they are wrong. If the former, then it implies that Ant-Man and the Wasp occurs at least semi-concurrently with Infinity War. If the latter, then we can just assume that the Avengers didn't know about Scott's sentence being shortened.

BEJT wrote:

Yeah, that makes sense. And I liked Danny mentioning Jessica because Jessica does kind of get left out of the crossovers, so to mention that she's got Luke's back made me happy. I liked it too, especially since I wasn't expecting Jessica to be mentioned.

BEJT wrote:

I really appreciate your willingness to discuss opinions in a balanced way - not going to extremes and also actually having a discussion. It's something sorely missing from much of the Star Wars fanbase (and much online film discussion in general) these days. It's no big deal, I appreciate your civility on the matter as well. A civil and balanced discussion will always be more productive than going to extremes and shouting at each other. It's always nice to talk to fellow fans about our favorite franchises.

BEJT wrote:

I think Ant-Man and the Wasp is going to have to go in March, aligning with this idea of, after 18 months, applying to get 3 months off of the final 6. I'll go into it a bit more further down. BEJT wrote:

I think mid-to-late or late March will be the answer. I'm going to email my relative again in the morning just to clear up some of the minutiae of the exact number of days and things to pinpoint the dates we're looking at. BEJT wrote:

Marvelous seemed to think it might start on Saturday, but you're both suggesting roughly the same with the weekend.

It sounds to me from my relative's email that it's either going to be exactly 3 months removed (with some possible further wiggle room if there's the 2 days off from his prison sentence and all that) or the end of March. Like I said, I'll email her again in the morning to try and figure out the exact dates we'll be looking at, but it sounds like basically the end of his sentence will fall somewhere between March 21st and 31st. I'm sure that we'll have a little bit of wiggle room with a margin of a few days that will allow us to get a date which is a Tuesday or Wednesday to match with 3 days earlier being the weekend.

Working back from that, basically, the weekend it begins would either be the 17th/18th or 24th/25th. I think March 17/18 is probably a better choice, since we're already struggling to push Infinity War as far as this.

BEJT wrote:

If the film ends on Wednesday like you guessed and the mid-credits scene is the Thursday of Infinity War, you think it would be 8 days then, not 1 or 15 or whatever? From what I've heard, that would roughly make sense, giving a reasonable chunk of time (seeing as you guys seem to think it suggests a feeling of a few weeks) yet also mostly minimising the gap to get Infinity War as early as possible.

If Ant-Man and the Wasp finishes roughly 21st/22nd then I'm guessing we'd be looking at Infinity War being 28th-29th, and if Ant-Man and the Wasp finishes roughly 28th/29th then I'm guessing we'd be looking at Infinity War being April 4th-5th.

With a roughly 9-day gap between Episodes 18 and 19 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (though that's not properly decided yet), we'd be looking at something along these lines (or translated to a week later): BEJT wrote:
 * c. Thursday, March 15th - Episode 14. 2.5 months since Episode 13. Snow on the ground, not impossible. Beginning of Episode 15.
 * c. Saturday, March 17th - End of Episode 15.
 * c. Saturday, March 17th/Sunday, March 18th - Beginning of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 * c. Sunday, March 18th - Episode 16. Episode 17. Beginning of Episode 18.
 * c. Monday, March 19th - End of Episode 18.
 * c. Wednesday, March 21st/Thursday, March 22nd - End of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 * c. Wednesday, March 28th-Thursday, March 29th - Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War. 9 days since Episode 18. About a week or 8 days or so since the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp. Wednesday-Thursday, as shown by Tony's flip phone.

I don't really know what your second question means, but no, not 40 days. The Wikia Editor was using a late February date for Infinity War when he suggested mid-February for Episodes 14-18. But if Infinity War is going in late March, then Episodes 14-18 would be somewhere around mid-March. Seems okay. I still would prefer February for Episode 14-18 and a larger timeskip between Episode 18-19. But hey, this works too I suppose. I'm curious what Marvelous has to say on the matter once he's finished Season 5.

BEJT wrote:

We're not particularly looking at 2018 for Cloak & Dagger. It's looking more and more likely that it will be February-March 2017, which works with the fact that Luke Cage: Season 2 is August-September 2017 and, according to Emma Lahana's comment, should indeed be after Cloak & Dagger: Season 1.

Luke Cage: Season 2 places itself in August-September 2017.

Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 has a very contradictory set of evidence but is looking likely to place itself in February-March 2017.

Emma Lahana suggested that O'Reilly has just arrived in New Orleans in Cloak & Dagger: Season 1, and since O'Reilly has already moved to New Orleans in Luke Cage: Season 2, this suggests that Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 is before Luke Cage: Season 2. And the evidence happens to be aligning that way anyway. Definitely agree on it most likely being in February-March 2017. I'm kind of worried on how we're going to sort through all the contradictory dates. Perhaps we can do like with that one scene in Iron Man, where the television states "May 2008" but most of the evidence points towards 2009. We can use the months, but not necessarily the years.

The timeline I've constructed in my head looks something like this:
 * February 13, 1992: Billy Johnson is born, month derived from milk carton, year derived from him being 17 in April 2009.
 * Between April 1999-April 2000: Tandy Bowen is born, derived from her being 9 in April 2009.
 * August 19, 2000: Tyrone Johnson is born, derived from milk carton.
 * April 18, 2009: The Roxxon oil tanker explodes, Billy is 17, Tandy is 9, Tyrone is 8. Month derived camera footage, year is admittedly still open for revision, but the present (8 years later) is likely 2017.
 * February-March 2017: The events of Cloak and Dagger: Season 1 take place.

All of this is, of course, purely based on my thoughts on the matter as of this writing and later episodes could still provide dates that could lead to all of this being revised.