Thread:Shabook/@comment-26838855-20180601164515/@comment-26838855-20180602132757

An official source has not been needed before for every event order. On the one hand, there are plenty of events in an approximated order, and on the other hand, there are plenty of confirmed dates for events which have still been separated nonetheless due to them being in a Netflix show or Runaways - I had been told before, and was under the impression that the way it worked now was simply that there is one order for films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., one order for Netflix, one order for Runaways, because whenever I or others have gone instead by the idea of "confirmed orders only", it has been changed to that rule. And the only other part that interweaved and was left separate were the Daredevil: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 1 events, both diverging from after the Skirmish at the Hudson Ferry Terminal and converging back at the Attack on Danny Rand. So otherwise, the case so far has always been to make the order simply the order of the events that has been worked out, so as not to complicate things.

Also, the reason I was asking for an explanation is because what you're suggesting about the unconfirmed order is not what you were changing the articles to. As explained, the edit you were reverting left it all very out of order. And the reason you gave was for there to be a follow-up on the film events, not to do with an unconfirmed order of events.

I'm always happy to do these things. It seems a bit odd to me to diverge the orders for only a few hours and converge them again, but sure, if you insist. So they can diverge from the Attack on Greenwich Village and converge back at the Battle on Titan/Battle of Wakanda. I was only asking for an explanation, because the reason you gave made it sound like it was just for readers who only care about the films to not look at the Rescue of Doctor Strange and go, ""Before: Infiltration into Qovas' Ship, After: Attack on Glenn Talbot"? Huh? What are those? Where's the Attack on Vision and the Sacrifice of Gamora?"

As for the Netflix column you mentioned, the side-by-side clearly suggests that they are concurrent. There are many people out there I've seen creating graphics of the timeline or posting timeline orders which are based on this, and the way it is laid out, especially with the table format now having horizontal dividing lines. It tells a reader, "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3, Part 1 is simultaneous with Jessica Jones: Season 1", and so on, because there are lines above and below to tell the reader that nothing above or below slips into these chunks. But it;s purely based on the release order. It's why I've suggested continuous columns - it's the perfect response, with it becoming clear without the chunking that they are not necessarily exact side-by-sides. You ask for official sources for how they fit into the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. order, but that's not what I'm asking for, I agree with them being in a separate column! Because while there's a tonne of timeline evidence, the exact dates are a little bit flexible, of course! But the fact that the Timeline page is presented in chunks which are clearly showing them as simultaneous would make me ask the same to you: Where's the official source that 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3, Part 1 is simultaneous with Jessica Jones'': Season 1? Because they're definitely not, from hard evidence. And again, I'm not saying to move the chunks of the table for the simultaneous bits to be correct - but the best answer by the rules of not presenting things without official sources is surely to make continuous columns that just split off after Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2? Then what the article is saying is, "both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 2 and Daredevil: Season 1 are definitely after Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. We don't know exactly how the Netflix and film/Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. events intertwine, but after this point, we will just have the two columns running continuously. On one side, we have the confirmed order of film and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. events. On the other, we have the order of the Netflix events."

Sometimes I'm confused about things on the wiki, and I want to feel like I can approach you for questions. But in all honesty, I'm scared to reach out. I really don't like any arguing, and I try to be polite and kind and fair to prevent any argument, but sometimes I feel a bit attacked in response. Maybe it's just lost in translation, I know English isn't your first language, but sometimes the sarcasm and ellipses feel a bit like an attack, and you're talking in your response like it's obviously about official sources as usual, but that's not what you were suggesting from your edit description, and this rule for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and film events has not been established before.

I work very hard for this wiki, but I feel like you see me as a hindrance and annoyance. I know you think very little of the timeline pages because they're speculative, but nonetheless, the work that goes into them is important - and even if exact dates are sometimes speculation, the firm ballparks are also important. As well as this, I work hard for quality control, for cleaning up the articles and improving the state of the wiki, as well as clearing fanon dates from articles as you suggested before, and do some sporadic general work on articles outside of the timeline. I think my work on this wiki has left a significant positive impact, and I'm sorry that years on, you're still getting annoyed with me. I never want to argue, and sometimes I just want clarification.