Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180719234036

BEJT wrote:

I think 2009 is too late, because there's not really any evidence that on its own places it in 2009. The Scarborough page could very well mean the accident was in 2008 - just the "8 years". I also don't think Billy's date of birth can be 1992.

I was thinking more like late 2008 and then early 2017, so like 8.4 years and also aligning better with the evidence given. What I/we try to do with things like Phase One is make a compromise between the date evidence placing them far apart and the "time span between the two" evidence pulling them closer together. And that seems like it would be an about-right compromise, satisfying the later incident evidence and the earlier present day evidence and stretching the span between a little. I understand that Phase One was something of an unusual case due to the various contradictory dates. However, I still think that 2009 works better. The main reason is because the characters keep saying "8 years ago" whenever it comes up. If they only said it once or twice, then we could assume the characters were just rounding up. However, it's been mentioned on so many occassions that it just stretches credulity that no one would ever say 9 years even once if that was actually the case. Again, I understand that people in 2017 might refer to something that happened in late 2008 as "8 years ago", but I don't find it realistic to see it happening with multiple people doing so on several occasions, especially since it's not a rounded number.

I do agree that nothing explicitly places it in 2009, but one could make the same argument for 2008, since the one and only date we've been shown up to this point is "2007-04-18".

However, we do have some things that could at least somewhat hint towards 2009. Nathan Bowen's ID places the incident sometime between March 2008 and March 2010 and the narcotics files that O'Reilly looks through indictate that Connors' activities as a Vice officer (which he became relatively shortly after Billy's death), date back at least to February 2010.

I agree that none of this is absolutely definitive, but it certainly makes 2009 a better choice in my opinion.

BEJT wrote:

Yeah, if Billy's date of birth had been a couple of months later it would fit with the accident being in late 2008, just before he turned 18. I'm hoping we'll see another date of birth for him, Tyrone and Tandy in order to give us something more to work with, because otherwise we really might be forced to fudge things in order to make it work. In fact, I wouldn't mind any kind of evidence that could help us.

BEJT wrote:

That really does suggest 24 months, I agree. The audience has no reason to assume it's less and the dialogue sounds like it does suggest it. But June 2018 is nearly impossible at the moment, and if there's any chance of March 2018, I think we have to take it, at least for now. At the very least it's an improvement on January and is a step in the right direction buys us time to get it exactly right.

Marvelous wasn't talking about the number of times "2 years" is mentioned to convince us that it's 24 months, he's definitely wanting March. He was just answering my question. BEJT wrote:

I wouldn't say that Peter's holiday makes it impossible to be in late June, we don't know that there will be a time jump of a few months like in Homecoming, it could all be set in the aftermath of Avengers 4, which itself could end in the timeline right where Infinity War ended. So late June would work there, with it being right at the end of term.

But yeah, working with the evidence we currently have, there's just not quite enough to force our hand and have to push it to June 2018, and really, it would have to be a case of "it has to be June" for it to go there, because it really contradicts Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. But there's a possibility that in the future it might well have to move again. We'll see.

Honestly, I'm of two minds about it all because I really think they mean for it to be 24 months but on the other hand it's really difficult to make that work. I'm not comfortable with any placement. Like I said though, at least March is an improvement on January, and that improving step will give us some more time to work things out. The thing that I'm slightly concerned about is when the Marvel Netflix shows start approaching that time placement. If we're lucky, none of them will reach March 2018 by the time Avengers 4 comes out, allowing us to no longer have to worry about it.

However, if, for example, The Punisher: Season 2 is depicted as taking place in March-April 2018, then we will either have to push Infinity War slightly later or, alternatively, we'll wait until Avengers 4 comes out in order to see how everything gets resolved and determine the placement of The Punisher: Season 2 afterwards.

BEJT wrote:

Marvel Netflix seem to only be doing a panel for Iron Fist this year, and not Daredevil (or anything else). That suggests that Iron Fist: Season 2 might indeed be coming out before Daredevil: Season 3.

I think this is a bad idea. While I do think that exploring Danny's arc filling Matt's shoes would be really great, because I liked that ending to The Defenders, people are aching for Daredevil: Season 3. We'll find out tonight I guess, probably getting a release date. Marvelous 345678 wrote:
 * Early last year, everyone assumed that Daredevil: Season 3 would be next up after Jessica Jones: Season 2. But then Luke Cage: Season 2 started filming first and people went, "Oh, OK, so it'll be after that then." To push it back again would be a bit weird.
 * Daredevil: Season 3 got announced several months before Iron Fist: Season 2.
 * We were told Daredevil: Season 3 would be out in 2018 about a year before we were told Iron Fist: Season 2 would be out in 2018.
 * It's been over 2 years already since the last season of Daredevil while only a bit over a year since the last season of Iron Fist.
 * Daredevil: Season 3's filming was a little earlier.
 * Daredevil is a far more popular show not just critically but in ratings and public reaction - it's got the most widespread love and is the main one of these Marvel Netflix shows to have broken out from being "just a Marvel Netflix show" and actually become recognised by general audiences as a great Netflix show.
 * The comments section of anything Marvel Netflix related is always just going on about, "Right, yes, OK, but where's Daredevil: Season 3?" People have been asking and asking, and they need a mass appeal hit to rejuvenate these shows a bit. I've even seen memes complaining about Marvel Netflix releasing seasons that are anything except Daredevil: Season 3, "the only one I care about" they all seem to say.
 * We just got Iron Fist in Luke Cage: Season 2, give him a little bit of a rest.
 * The Internet practically thinks it was confirmed that Daredevil: Season 3 was next up, there's going to be a small backlash I think if it's confirmed that Iron Fist: Season 2 is next. The last thing Iron Fist needs is more backlash, or indeed people watching the season and thinking the whole time, "We're getting this instead of Daredevil?" It'll only hurt the show.

Yeah... I always knew that Iron Fist Season 2 was going to be the next one on the line. It made sense. And it doesn't botter. People have always treated the other TV shows like garbage because of Daredevil.

Making blacklask is childlish. I just enjoy. I am wanting Season 3 of DD badly (BELIEVE ME) but I have to relax. I bet we will get DDS3 around very late 2018 (Christmas:'v) or early 2019. But when you come to accept it. Then, it does not matter. We'll see how that will go, since both shows are expected for a 2018 release and no updates have been given regarding any changes. That being said, I understand how people can get frustrated after having to wait for so long and being told to wait longer.

I especially agree about how Danny's current arc works better with Matt still being presumed dead rather than having the season start with Danny's goal to honor Matt's legacy having mostly been resolved either off screen or in Daredevil: Season 3.

Still, I'm looking forward to both shows regardless of which one airs first and hope that both will, ultimately, be well received.

Deadpooled123 wrote:

What if Daredevil s3 is set earlier than expected? Him waking up is 2016 so you could see a timeline being set con-currently with Iron Fist s2 maybe. perhaps..? It’s hard because Danny Rand mentions how he protects NYC in LC s2e10. It’s a lot of healing and if Murdock’s 3rd season started prior to IF s2, the Defenders would at least know through Word of Mouth. Expect IF s2 to be 1.8 years after IF s1 From what I've heard, Iron Fist: Season 2 will be set in "late Winter", so I'm guessing somewhere in the range of December 2017-January 2018.

I'd definitely prefer for Iron Fist: Season 2 and Daredevil: Season 3 to somewhat overlap, in order to avoid having the shows push into March 2018.