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Geekritique (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The YouTube channel Geekritique uploaded their newest MCU timeline videos (one with just movies, one with all live-action media) today. Their timeline videos tend to be pretty popular.

I watched it because I enjoy their channel and enjoy their timeline videos specifically. I don't agree with quite a bit of it, especially their Cloak and Dagger placement (they went with 2015), but they do explain in the early part of the video that it's more of a watch order and not a fully chronological timeline, which makes sense. Sometimes you need to sacrifice accuracy for watchability in a watch order. Also, I have to give them credit for putting in months of work towards constructing such a high quality video.

Something I thought was of note is their 2018 placements; they went with Runaways 2, Punisher 2, Jessica Jones 3, AoS 5x11-5x18, Ant-Man and the Wasp, AoS 5x19-AoS 5x22 and Infinity War, in that order. I can't bring myself to watch this stuff, I just find it too frustrating and stressful. Nothing particularly against them, just can't really handle it.

They're still sticking with Cloak & Dagger in 2015 even now...?

Anyway, that 2018 order seems fairly close to ours, if you were to group the seasons/chunks of seasons rather than going episode by episode.

Feige, Chief Creative Officer/Inhumans (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: [https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/ Well. Feige is now in charge of Marvel Television (including animation) and Marvel Comics.] (I mean, the issue is a bit more complex than that. But that's the important part.)

At least there won't be anymore conflicts on whether or not future TV shows are canon, which makes sorting everything new into the timeline much easier. (Or harder, depending on whether or not future projects contradict dates established by earlier projects.) Been discussing this more in the discussions section. It's a big shake-up and a further messy thing in a few months of lack of coordination and/or clarity: It really feels like so many things are a concerning big mess at the moment. I don't mean like "It feels like there's a behind-the-scenes mess that will affect the quality of upcoming content", but just it feels like a bunch of things concerning canon and lists and who makes what and what's made when and what's set where and the universe rules and all of that - things that many people won't care about, but I at least do - have become a mess.
 * The time travel disagreements.
 * The lack of Cloak & Dagger renewal.
 * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ignoring the Snap.
 * Jessica Jones ignoring the Snap.
 * The going in hard on the Disney+ shows before we've even seen one to know if we like the format.
 * All the multiverse stuff they're going into.
 * The unclear/inconsistent order of how the Disney+ shows will come out alongside the films.
 * The lack of feeling of structure and drive to the upcoming content
 * The lack of clarity over a Fantastic Four film.
 * The Mahershala Ali casting and everything that came with it.
 * The Spider-Man debacle.
 * The unclear/inconsistent information about what comprises Phase Four and what is Phase Five.
 * The cancellation of Ghost Rider under suspicious circumstances.
 * The reports about Marvel Television's MCU content coming to an end.
 * The big question marks over the SUoMC and what's going on with Tom Holland.
 * The discussions over Deadpool and the problem of how that might a) work in such a tightly woven universe with integrity and b) end up connecting things to the Fox universe.
 * The likelihood that Cloak & Dagger and Runaways will be cancelled.
 * Feige taking over everything and what that could mean for canon and Marvel Television being unclear.
 * The Inhumans rumours.

So with this Feige thing, I just don't know what to think. It could be a great thing to be excited about, or it could be the beginning of a disaster. I guess most likely it will fall somewhere in between? We'll see...

Mrmichaelt wrote: Ms. Marvel might be the first to create conflicts/decanonize a past series with rumors of the Inhumans having a role and even today there's reports Black Bolt and Maximus will appear and they're eyeing Vin Diesel and Aaron Taylor-Johnson. Yeah, so again, not sure how to feel.

I am almost completely fine with the individual idea of wiping Inhumans from canon and doing the Inhuman Royal Family again, because it's a) bad, b) it's 8 episodes, it's not like "So we wasted years on this?", and c) it's a unique case, as it's not two-way tied into anything else. It could be snipped out of the connection web without causing complications. It references the films a tiny bit, it references Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., but nothing else in the MCU has in the slightest referenced it. So it just snips away with ease.

If Feige wants to reboot Iron Fist because of the stigma that brand now holds that he wouldn't want to inherit, it's of course a muuuch bigger mess of knock-on effects.

So, I'm OK with the individual idea of wiping Inhumans. But I'm not OK if it is the start of a slippery slope or a sign of things to come. A one-off, fine, but please, please don't let it be the start of any sort of trend or feeling of "I got away with this one, might as well do this one as well?"

Again, we'll see. Praying this all works out alright.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: That honestly disappoints me. Iwan Rheon and Anson Mount were excellent casting choices, they were just given the worst possible material. I mean, Anson even created his own sign language for the character. And wow, if the report is legit, they really don't care about doubling up on actors anymore. Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed. I heard Mount did well on that Star Trek series. I guess Gemma Chan was a sign of things to come but in her case it was easier because she played a blue alien first. Johnson if hired... a new hair style? But I digress, this is about the timeline. But I guess if it's true, Inhumans the series is pretty easy to wipe from the timeline since it was pretty stand alone aside from the Terrigen outbreak from AOS being discussed in the pilot. The Aaron Taylor-Johnson rumour is weird. Exactly, you can get away with Gemma Chan because of the blue skin, but this is two major characters whose faces would just look like Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

BEJT wrote: I watch Star Trek: Discovery and can confirm Anson Mount is fantastic on it. I liked the show quite a lot from the get-go, but he came in in Season 2 and was instantly one of the best characters and best elements of the show. Unbelievably charismatic, charming, and likeable.

I'll respond to the rest later. Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: MCU Quicksilver and comics Maximus actually sport the same style of shaggy, wild hair (just obviously in different colors). They could keep Maximus with more of a Cesarean haircut due to him being a prince, and keep him clean-shaven. But there's no disguising that gorgeous face.

It would definitely be the most in your face double casting since Alfre Woodard, which itself spawned so many arguments about the timeline and canon.

Anyways, the best thing to come out of all of this is that moving forward, the timeline will be much clearer due to (hopefully) much more crossover between all of the properties. Although it would be ironic and darkly hilarious if even after all the TV shows are under Feige's purview, new TV shows still don't get acknowledged by the movies unless they star a movie character. DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I at least expect the Marvel TV productions (if they continue making MCU stuff), to not be kept in the dark about the plot of future movies, like they were with Infinity War and ''Endgame. ''Though it might not matter if the new productions are set in real time and not in the future. So much is unclear. Holding out hope for a result that's both good and clear.

Runaways: Season 3 (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: I think I just spoiled myself Runaways S3 by seeing Annie Wersching's Instagram. Or maybe I did not spoil myself. I am not going to say what it can mean, but other approach I have in my mind is that this the show's last season. I don't think it's a spoiler to say this but:

If you're very concerned about potential Runaways: Season 3 spoilers, don't read below.

It sounds like she's leaving the show, which could mean anything. I don't really consider someone leaving a show to be a spoiler because just as often as not they're not dying. If anything, more often the character doesn't die, which was why they were comfortable confirming their exit.

If you're very concerned about potential Runaways: Season 3 spoilers, don't read below.

Anyway, while I don't think it refers to the show having already been cancelled, I have very little confidence that the show won't be cancelled in the near future.