Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20180731151207

Responses Part 1 of 2: Deadpooled123 wrote: Very happy the X-Men/Fantastic Four/Deadpool are back where they should always have belonged.... The MCU!!! I'm actually not that excited. I think I'd be more excited if it were as simple as the Fox characters going back to Marvel - it's just caught up in a worrying business move which involves a tonne of job-losses and a scary monopoly.

Still, when we get more information, I'm sure it will be exciting. I think I'm also a bit annoyed because people are going to be impatient about it and expect Fox characters to start popping up immediately. Also, honestly I really don't want Deadpool in the MCU. I think his character would ruin the integrity and tone of the MCU. I'd prefer to just see Ryan Reynolds continue to make Deadpool sequels in their own universe.

MrRLopez wrote: So it's definately Mardi Gras in Cloak & Dagger, the poster in high school and the beaded necklaces confirms it.

It has to be 2017 right? Otherwise a Runaways crossover may be hard to deal with timeline-wise (I'm assuming it is happening) Nice, I didn't catch it on my first viewing. At about 12:18 in the episode. I hadn't done my rewatch yet, where I pay closer attention.

Sure, Mardi Gras isn't ideal for the state finals, but it helps to once and for all discard that October date.

Yeah, this adds to 2017 because 2017 was the only year that Mardi Gras works as being after the end of the basketball season. The evidence is mounting for February 2017.

I wouldn't put much timeline consideration into a potential Runaways crossover. We don't know that it will even happen, and it's very possible that there's just a larger jump in time for the Cloak & Dagger characters. The shows' first seasons are only 10 months apart, Infinity War had the Guardians jump almost 4 years just to catch up for crossover.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Eh, but beaded necklaces aren't exclusive to Mardi Gras. They hand them out on St. Patrick's Day, Easter, etc.

If there's a crossover, it could just be a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy as well. I don't know about beaded necklaces, I don't really know anything about Mardi Gras (I don't think it's particularly celebrated in the U.K. other than "Shrove Tuesday", the day before Ash Wednesday, where we have pancakes), but the banner in the episode mentions Mardi Gras.

But yeah, exactly, any Runaways stuff is fine.

CirUmeUela wrote: Very exciting that X-Men are now able to be in the MCU! But I thought of something that would be an absolute nightmare for us: what if they made the Fox X-Men simply cross over through a multiverse idea? Then we would have to acknowledge every single X-Men movie and add it to the timeline, lol. And how would that work with an alternate universe? It would be terrible. But starting with a clean slate will be much better, which I'm sure is what will happen. I'm 99% sure they won't connect the universes at all and just start over, and if they did connect them, I'm a further 99% sure that it would be alternate universe and not a retcon into the MCU continuity.

In the very slim chance that that would be the case, I have my own ideas and calculations about how to reconcile that franchise's ridiculous timeline. But it almost definitely won't come to that.

Cornstomper wrote: So in a released deleted scene for Infinity War, we get a little more specific time placement.

https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/1022957674848301057

We know that Quill recieved a message from Nebula "5 hours ago" that Thanos still had Gamora and was heading for Vormir. Drax also notes they have not left Knowhere yet, meaning they spent 5 whole hours there before leaving for Titan, and meeting up with Iron Man and such. Thanks, that's one of the things I'm currently working on - the final exact timings of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah, I don't think Feige would ever want to mix a franchise with a few bad critics with the MC. Xd Yeah, but also just that I think Feige and Marvel Studios want everything MCU to be self-made - everything was made by Marvel Studios or Marvel Television.

It's part of the reasons I don't want Venom to have anything to do with the MCU (I've got several, not going to go into that now). I don't want Sony to tarnish the MCU - even if the film is good (I personally don't think it looks good), it's not Marvel's. Keep it out.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Having seen Episode 9, it appears that the festival is indeed Mardi Gras. A banner for the "Mardi Gras Ball" is seen when Tyrone is attacking a student.

It seems that we may have to apply your plan to move the state finals earlier.

I've found an online parade calendar for the 2017 Mardi Gras parade season. I hope this helps in some way.

In any case, Mardi Gras hasn't seemingly started yet in Episode 9, although people are evidently seen preparing for it with decorations, beads, etc. Assuming that the parade seen in the trailer is indeed Mardi Gras, it would place Episode 10 on February 28. Since Episode 10 will likely follow on immediately from Episode 9, and Episode 9, in turn, takes place evidently the following day after Episode 8, it would place those episodes in the 2 days leading up to Mardi Gras.

This works reasonably well, Episode 8 would be on February 26, a Sunday, which explains why Tyrone didn't go to school that day. Episode 9 would be on February 27, a Monday, in which we see Tyrone attending school.

This would also mean that the oil rig explosion was in February 26, 2009. This works reasonably well, but is unfortunately inconsistent with the April 18 date. Oh well, it works fine in general. Yeah, the plan works reasonably well. While it's not perfect, I'll take it because it basically means that we can finally actually make conclusive decisions, all being well. At this point, I'd rather take a not-quite-ideal conclusive decision than more vagueness from the show. It's just easier.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm guessing the lack of a year is an attempt to avoid having to conform to a specific year, which makes the fact that we can see the date on the phone all the more confusing. Yeah I think they intentionally didn't put a date, but that would suggest some sort of "avoid specific dates where possible" policy, which outside of that ID, this show has very much failed to do.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, like I said, it was visible on a banner and maybe some posters. No one called it by name, so there's some wiggle room if necessary. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, good point. Every piece of timeline evidence should be noted and considered. That being said, the date on the phone doesn't match up with the state finals, Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, and we know that they were still filming in October. I didn't mean to suggest that we should outright dismiss a date if it doesn't conform to whatever we had in mind previously, I was merely saying that the date outright contradicted most of the other timeline related evidence and was strongly in contradiction with them. So, all in all, the odds of it just being the date of filming is, indeed, the most likely conclusion. I'm sure it'll be more explicitly Mardi Gras in Episode 10, and I'm fine with that. Like I said, not quite perfect but I'll definitely take it at this point. We shouldn't really need the wiggle room.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Agreed. At best, I expect the snap to get mentioned in shows after Avengers 4 has come out and resolved it. It would also depend on how things get resolved. If it's time travel, then the snap never happened and there's no reason to bring it up. If it's resolved without time travel, then it would make sense for people to bring it up after it's been undone. Yeah perhaps we'll get some tie-in after Avengers 4, depending on the resolution to that film, but I don't think before that.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, it appears to be Mardi Gras.

As for a Runaways crossover, it hasn't really been confirmed in any way. The showrunner of Cloak and Dagger has stated that he'd like for it to happen, but admitted that the shows being on different networks makes it difficult. The Wikia Editor wrote: There ,ight be some wiggle room for it not being Mardi Gras, but the evidence currently points to it indeed being Mardi Gras.

And yeah, they could just do a time skip for Tyrone and Tandy, although having the current season be set in 2017 would at least avoid aging the characters too much for when their own Season 2 comes along, which may take place a year or so after Season 1. Now that Runaways is airing on Freeform as well (and I think Cloak & Dagger also goes to Hulu some time after airing?), it looks like there might be some sort of chance in the future. Perhaps in Cloak & Dagger: Season 2 next year, so after Runaways: Season 2.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm pretty sure that they'll just start with a completely clean slate. The MCU's main appeal is that it's one, massive shared universe, and relegating the X-Men to being interdimensional visitors would probably not have the same effect as having them actually exist in the MCU.

The only existing X-Men properties that I could foresee being integrated into the MCU is Legion and New Mutants. The characters from the Deadpool movies could similarly be integrated into the MCU, but the actual plots of those movies wouldn't work, since they obviously occur in a world where mutants are a known and established fact of life and the X-Men are an active and well-known team. Other than that, the rest would pretty much start from scratch. Agreed, and honestly I just think everything will be starting from scratch. Pretty sure nothing's going to be retconned into continuity.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Waiting for more intel on Ant-Man and the Wasp once BEJT has seen the movie on August 3rd.

There is a mention of how much time happen between The Real Deal and Principia? Because I am finding plenty of minor gaps between the episodes I am starting to see.

I hope it will be helpful, using a lot of your notes I may have found a way to put Infinity War on April 2018. And I think we might have to use some calculations using actors age between Civil War and Infinity War in order to find the exactly time jump between CW and IW.

I am also finding good evidence suggesting that All the Comforts of Home might take place on December 9th, but you will have to judge it once I end all my catching up thing. I think the film's coming out Thursday 2nd August now. So nearly there. All I've had spoiled is that the Infinity War tie-in comes in at least the mid-credits scene, one or both credits scenes involve something to do with Thanos' snap, and the mid-credits scene involves a happy time at a drive-in cinema. I might have also had something big spoiled but as I came across it I left the site as fast as possible, so didn't get the full context (not wanting to risk finding out anything more). But I'm still reasonably free of exact spoilers.

There's no actual mention of the gap between The Real Deal and Principia, but The Real Deal is December 6, 2017, and Principia is likely set around Christmas time based on the "tidings of comfort and joy" line, so shouldn't be more than a few weeks. As well as this, Deke says Fitz and Simmons only just got married, and the behaviour of the characters would suggest it's onyl been a few days.

There shouldn't be "plenty" of gaps found during the second half of Season 5. We've got Episode 11 on December 4th-5th, Episode 12 on December 6th, and then there's only gaps: Everything else is firmly established.
 * Between 12 and 13.
 * Between 13 and 14
 * Between 18 and 19.

You think Infinity War has to be April? Because March is already really pushing it with a 3-month gap between Episodes 13 and 14 (laid out as being only days apart). You were previously saying a week or so between the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp and the credits scene seemed right, and that would give late March most likely. That reminds me, I need to check with my relative about the exact dates of Ant-Man and the Wasp but it seems like the house arrest should be ending mid-to-late March.

Actor age is for more broad placements, not merely the exact number of days between two films with lots of evidence around them. It's far too specific for something as broad as the actors' ages.

All the Comforts of Home shouldn't be December 9th because it's before The Real Deal, which is on December 6th. I said before, there's no need to lose the "12-06-2017" for the sake of gaining just a few days. Why are you thinking December 9th?

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I think I have spotted a very blur 2018 date on the computer next to Yo-Yo. It is very blur but it is definitely the 2018 thing. Source: Principia. What's the time code in the episode? If it is 2018, that could work as very early January, like the 1st or 2nd. Still technically Christmas-time.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Right when Tyrone pauses in the hall and Benny (muted) starts mouthing off? Yeah, at about 12:18.

Mrmichaelt wrote: True, but notably they are airing the first episode of Runaways on Freeform. Yeah exactly, could give a bit more hope for a crossover.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I recall in "Principia" that Deke went to Fitz with the catcher's mitt and baseball and noted to Fitz he and Simmons "just got married". The opening scene between Dr. Van Kempen and Werner could be potentially helpful. He recalls events from "6 weeks ago on their Tuesday session" then his next scene in the episode he's in Hale's base. Perhaps that 6 weeks could apply to the gap between "Real Deal" and "Principia"? A third thing, is Simmons tells Elena she has stabilized. Is there like a standard recovery rate for someone who gets a similar kind of prosthetic surgery? Yeah exactly right with Deke.

The 6 weeks ago thing is unrelated to anything. Strucker's just referring to an appointment he had 6 weeks ago.

The 2-4 weeks between The Real Deal and Principia should be plenty for Elena to stabilise. Seeing as it takes about 4 weeks for the skin on amputees' stumps to heal over following surgery (the stumps have healed over by the next episode, The Devil Complex, which meant there had to be 4 weeks minimum between All the Comforts of Home and The Devil Complex), stabilising should be a good amount less than 4 weeks.

Will post the second part of my replies soon.