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Users on this thread, please do weigh in.

Outside of some minor bits and pieces, there are two important outstanding decisions that need to be made - the exact number of days that Runaways: Season 2 spans, and the placement in 2018 of Jessica Jones: Season 3.

I am conflicted on both, but it's time to make a decision. So, I would like a vote from you guys over both topics to decide the way we will go.

The Runaways: Season 2 problem is that there are two important lines about the day of the week, but they don't seem compatible. You would have to insert five unseen days in between the two parts of the season to make them compatible, but there are no real gaps between those two parts of the season, the only potential gaps having strong implications suggesting they are just the same day/day after (depending on the case), just not explicitly said to be. This issue is not a major one, being a mere matter of days and not overlapping with anything else, but it's still important to finally nail down the exact dates.

The Jessica Jones: Season 3 problem, I'm sure you're all aware, is a case of "the evidence strongly points to November-December 2018" vs. "the wider context would very strongly imply that it absolutely should not be later tham May 2018".

I am providing refreshers of the evidence for each option, which preferably you guys could take a quick look at before voting, as I know that when I reread these things it reminds me of tidbits I'd forgotten about and makes me remember how tight some of these decisions can be.

So, here are the refreshers on each problem. If you could then vote, maybe with a brief explanation if you wish: With Runaways:
 * "The Gert and Chase scene is a Tuesday, don't force five extra days where there is hardly any gap possibility"
 * or
 * "The Gert and Chase scene is a Thursday, slot in five extra days despite the difficulty".

And with Jessica Jones:
 * "Go with January-February as a compromise for the two biggest pieces of evidence, but ignoring pretty much all other evidence"
 * or
 * "Go with April-May as fitting a good amount of evidence, but completely ignoring the "6 months" line"
 * or
 * "Go with November-December as fitting the majority the evidence, but completely ignoring the Snap".

The Runaways: Season 2 Problem
Tuesday, December 26th
 * Episode 1 Minute 4ish to Minute 36ish.

--At least next day, seemingly next day. 62.5% eliminated.-- Has to be at least 4 days either way (due to other evidence pushing the season into properly kicking off in at least early January). Upped to an extra 5th day for stretched option, to get C4 to be a Thursday. It's a stretch either way, extra day doesn't change much.

(A1/B1) Sunday, December 31st or Saturday, December 30th
 * Episode 1 Minute 36ish to Minute 42ish.
 * Tina has Graciela's obituary and they're only just discussing Graciela's death. 26th-A1/B1 50% eliminated.

--Seemingly same day. 43.75% eliminated.-- Has to be at least 6 days either way. Upped to an extra 7th and 8th days for stretched option, to get C4 to be a Thursday. It's a stretch either way, extra 2 days doesn't change much.

(C1) Monday, January 8th or Saturday, January 6th
 * Episode 1 Minute 42ish to 47ish.
 * Seems to just be the morning after they held the ceremony for Graciela, but I guess it could be more. 26th-A1/B1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 62.5%), A1/B1-C1 25% eliminated.

(C2) Tuesday, January 9th or Sunday, January 7th
 * Episode 1 Minute 47ish to end.
 * Seemingly not long after A1 as Karolina texted Jonah then saying, "Meet soon?" A1/B1-C1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 43.75%).
 * Episode 2 beginning to end.
 * Episode 3 beginning to Minute 2ish.

(C3) Wednesday, January 10th or Monday, January 8th
 * Episode 3 Minute 2ish to end.
 * Episode 4 beginning to Minute 6ish.

(C4) Thursday, January 11th or Tuesday, January 9th
 * Episode 4 Minute 6ish to end.
 * "It is starting to feel like it's all just Tuesday now. No wait, Wednesday. No wait, it is Tuesday." "Think it's actually Thursday..." "Ha, whatever..." Sounds like it's Thursday. There's a problem since what appears to be 8 days later and is definitely at least 7 days later is said to be "Wednesday", which doesn't work. We might have to revise this and assume that maybe it is actually Tuesday and Gert is joking.
 * Karolina has voicemails from Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and another one at the top that I can't read that might also just be Thursday, which would fit with this being Thursday.
 * Episode 5 beginning to Minute 13ish.

(C5) Friday, January 12th or Wednesday, January 10th
 * Episode 5 Minute 13ish to end.
 * "Guess it's just one of those days." "To be fair, haven't they all been those kinds of days since we ran?" "I don't know, think there was one Thursday in there that was pretty normal." It sounds like there's been a few Thursdays. The stretched option would give three Thursdays, the non-stretched option only two.
 * Episode 6 beginning to Minute 11ish.

(C6) Saturday, January 13th or Thursday, January 11th
 * Episode 6 Minute 11ish to end.

(C7) Sunday, January 14th or Friday, January 12th
 * Episode 7 beginning to Minute 45ish.
 * "2 months ago, our biggest issue was that there were no vegan options in the cafeteria." Either way, it's not much more than a month since they found out about their parents, but the closer to 2 months (without going over) the better, so the stretched option fits a tiny bit better, but it's pretty much negligible.

(C8) Monday, January 15th or Saturday, January 13th
 * Episode 7 Minute 45ish to end.

--Seemingly at least next day, seemingly next day. 92.96875% eliminated.-- As the 92.96875% represents, it's very, very unlikely that there's an extra day in here that's not shown. But with the stretched option, you would have to crowbar one in.

(D1) Wednesday, January 17th or Sunday, January 14th
 * Episode 8 beginning to end.
 * PRIDE are celebrating after the events of C7 and planning their next moves, suggesting it's not long since C7. C8-D1 25% eliminated.
 * The group have changed clothes since the end of Episode 7 so it's presumably at least the next day. Gert says she heard Karolina and Nico fighting "earlier", suggesting it's not been more than 1 day though, but it's flexible. C8-D1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 43.75%).
 * Frank is very worried about what he did on Day C7, implying it's shortly after. It's seemingly at least 2 days, but it really shouldn't be more. C8-D1 75% further eliminated (which takes it up to 85.9375%).
 * Episode 9 beginning to Minute 11ish.

(D2) Thursday, January 18th or Monday, January 15th
 * Episode 9 Minute 11ish to Minute 37ish.

--At least next day, seemingly next day. 87.5% eliminated.-- As the 87.5% represents, it's very unlikely that there's an extra day in here that's not shown. But with the stretched option, you would have to crowbar one in.

(E1) Saturday, January 20th or Tuesday, January 16th
 * Episode 9 Minute 37ish to Minute 41ish.
 * Livvie visiting the group is strongly implied to be the morning after what just happened. D2-E1 75% eliminated.

Seemingly same day. 96.875% eliminated. This can be the same day, either way, without adding a near-impossible extra day. No need for me to include the evidence that makes this gap 96.875% eliminated on this cut-down, simplified refresher.

(F1) Saturday, January 20th or Tuesday, January 16th
 * Episode 9 Minute 41ish to Minute 42ish.
 * Karolina says it's been a "long couple of days". It's seemingly been at least 4 days since the events of C7, which she is referring to, but "couple" has leniency. It can mean "2ish, going on 3" or even just be used incorrectly to mean "a few", but basically, this means it shouldn't be more than the 4 days. C8-D1 and D2-E1 (and E1-F1) 50% further eliminated (which takes them up to 92.96875% and 87.5% respectively).

--Seemingly same day. 87.5% eliminated.-- As the 87.5% represents, it's very unlikely that there's an extra night in here that's not shown. But with the stretched option, you would have to crowbar one in.

(G1) Sunday, January 21st or Tuesday, January 16th eliminated.''
 * Episode 9 Minute 42ish to Minute 44ish.
 * ''Nico is in the same clothes as earlier, which would suggest it's the same day. F1-G1 50%

--Seemingly same day. 75% eliminated.- As the 75% represents, it's unlikely that there's an extra night in here and very unlikely there's two extra nights in here that are not shown. But with the stretched option, you would have to crowbar two in.

(H1, Tuesday) Tuesday, January 23rd or Tuesday, January 16th
 * Episode 9 Minute 44ish to end.
 * Livvie is in the same clothes as earlier and A.W.O.L. is beginning his operation to find the teenagers, and there's no reason he would wait. E1-F1 and F1-G1 75% further eliminated (which takes them up to 96.875% and 87.5% respectively), G1-H1 75% eliminated.

(H2, Wednesday) Wednesday, January 24th or Wednesday, January 17th
 * Episode 10 beginning to end.
 * It's "2 o'clock on a Wednesday". This is problematic because it's seemingly been 8 days (and definitely at least 7) since Gert says it was Thursday, and while there's a few potential gaps in between then and now, they're all 75 or more per cent eliminated. So we have a decision to make, either slip in gaps to add an extra 5 days, which is quite a stretch, or we assume that this is actually Wednesday and not Friday, so when Gert said it was Thursday, it was actually Tuesday - there's some slight wiggle room there because they were joking around a bit. Either way, we're basically going to have to use some slight wiggle room. First option is adding 5 days, second option is assuming Gert is joking and it is actually Tuesday.

(H3, Thursday) Thursday, January 25th or Thursday, January 18th
 * Episode 11 beginning to Minute 38ish.
 * Leslie's pregnancy kicks in, and the further along she can be, the better.

And from there until the end, it's all either one day or the same day, a week earlier, up to Sunday, January 28th or Sunday, January 21st for the end of the season.

The Jessica Jones: Season 3 Problem
Points only for approximation at weighting the pros and cons.

Thursday, January 4-Sunday, February 4, 2018:
 * Pros:
 * Pre-Snap. 10 pts.
 * Fits with the comment about being pre-Snap unless otherwise noted, which was followed by saying that we'll continue to be in that place until Avengers 4, but could be interpreted as referring to any Marvel Television projects coming out now. 1 pt.
 * Fits with Mike Colter saying Luke Cage was Snapped, but him being present in the season, though it was admittedly a joke. 0.5 pts.
 * Fits with football games shown. 2 pts.
 * Spring-summer clothes being launched, which would be around January. 2.5 pts.
 * Fits with it being dark by 18:30 in Episode 8. 1.5 pts.
 * Fits three of the four weather recordings shown. 1 pt.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * Fits about enough with being a year since Season 2. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * Doesn't entirely contradict the Mother's Day line. - 2.5 pts for not working particularly well though.
 * Doesn't fit one of the four weather recordings shown. 0 pts, fits the other three.
 * Cons:
 * Breaks Netflix chronological order. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't work with "It's spring!" email. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with Boogeyman by Dead Posey playing in the bar, released August 2018. - 0.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with the pumpkin sticker or skeleton decorations. - 1.5 pts.
 * Doesn't really work with spring weather line, Trish would have to wait 6 + months to start tracking Brandt after he was released. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit the January 22, 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season. - 0.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with there being daylight for over 15 hours in Episode 4. - 1 pt.
 * Doesn't fit with April 2001 being "18 years ago", it would be less than 17. - 4 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with "Wednesday 5" iCloud calendar. - 1.5 pts.
 * - 1.5 pts.

Thursday, April 26-Sunday, May 27, 2018:
 * Pros:
 * Pre-Snap. 10 pts.
 * Fits with the comment about being pre-Snap unless otherwise noted, which was followed by saying that we'll continue to be in that place until Avengers 4, but could be interpreted as referring to any Marvel Television projects coming out now. 1 pt.
 * Fits with Mike Colter saying Luke Cage was Snapped, but him being present in the season, though it was admittedly a joke. 0.5 pts.
 * Keeps Netflix chronological order. 2.5 pts.
 * Works with "It's spring!" email. 2.5 pts.
 * Works with the spring weather line. 2.5 pts for being a bigger piece of evidence, but also not as much of a decider since it has more leniency.
 * Fits with January 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season. 0.5 pts.
 * Fits with there being daylight for over 15 hours in Episode 4. 1 pt.
 * Fits nicely as a year since Season 2. 1 pt, this is more of a bonus.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * April 2001 being "18 years ago" isn't the end of the world, it's over 17. - 2 pts for not really working though.
 * Spring-summer clothes being launched, which would be late but doesn't not work. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * Cons:
 * Doesn't fit with Boogeyman by Dead Posey playing in the bar, released August 2018. - 0.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with football games shown. - 2 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with the pumpkin sticker or skeleton decorations. - 1.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with it being dark by 18:30 in Episode 8. - 1.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit any of the weather recordings shown. - 1 pt.
 * Massively contradicts the Mother's Day line. - 9 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with "Wednesday 5" iCloud calendar. - 1.5 pts.
 * 1.5 pts.

Thursday, November 8-Sunday, December 9, 2018: The difficulty is that the specific/hard evidence places it in November-December, so to place it in April-May would be ignoring the hard evidence, but the massive external factor of the Snap places it in in April-May, so to place it in November-December doesn't make sense given the wider context. November-December is much harder to believe, but April-May is much harder to justify.
 * Pros:
 * Keeps Netflix chronological order. 2.5 pts.
 * Fits with Boogeyman by Dead Posey playing in the bar, released August 2018. 0.5 pts.
 * Fits with football games shown. 2 pts.
 * Mostly fits with the pumpkin sticker and skeleton decorations. 1.5 pts.
 * Fits with January 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season. 0.5 pts.
 * Fits as best as any of these three options can with April 2001 being "18 years ago". 3 pts since still not ideal.
 * Fits with the Mother's Day line. 9 pts.
 * Fits with it being dark by 18:30 in Episode 8. 1.5 pts.
 * Fits with "Wednesday 5" iCloud calendar if the season spills into December. 1.5 pts.
 * Fits one weather recording shown. 0.5 pts.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * Doesn't fit with the comment about being pre-Snap unless otherwise noted, but which was followed by saying that we'll continue to be in that place until Avengers 4, so can easily be discareded. 0 pts.
 * Doesn't work with the spring weather line, but you can just about push it that Trish only started tracking Brandt months after he was set free. - 2 pts for still not really working.
 * Fits well enough as a year since Season 2. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * Spring-summer clothes being launched, which would be early but doesn't not work. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * Cons:
 * Post-Snap, which just seems impossible. - 10 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with Mike Colter saying Luke Cage was Snapped, but him being present in the season, though it was admittedly a joke. - 0.5 pts.
 * Doesn't work with "It's spring!" email. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with there being daylight for over 15 hours in Episode 4. - 1 pt.
 * Doesn't fit three of the weather recordings shown. - 0.5 pts.
 * 4 pts.

It just doesn't really work in April-May 2018, and yet it just cannot be post-Snap. If it weren't for the Snap, things would lean easily to November-December with just small contradictions. If it weren't for the Mother's Day line, things would lean enough towards May to justify some small contradictions.

Users on this thread, please do weigh in.