Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190630015033

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (Mrmichaelt, Aricco, ProBot1227, Marvelus)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Annoying how it comes down to one word really, "months." If only the line was "six days away" instead of "six months away." It really struck me when the scene happened just how ridiculous the situation is. It's such a throwaway line that didn't need to be the way it was or even in there other than for the joke that Trish's excuse is poor, and the writers would've had no idea just how massive the ramifications were on their seemingly inconsequential line.

Aricco wrote: I personally feel as though Jessica Jones Season 3 should be Spring/Summer. I am going to make my case below. Clearly the 2 biggest issues with figuring out when it is placed is Mother’s Day reference & the fact it appears pre-snap. I’m going to lay out all arguments I can think of for why we should disregard or recontextualize the Mother’s day line. I just don’t think there is any way that you can justify this being post-snap. Hopefully I have convinced you to place JJ S3 pre-snap, personally I find it a lot harder to believe this is post-snap than I find it believing SHIELD is post-snap. You don't have to convince me that it makes no sense that it's post-Snap, I'm in total agreement. It's a ludicrous notion. But it's also very hard to justify ignoring the evidence. That's not me saying, "But it's harder to justify ignoring the actual evidence," it's me just saying I don't know what to do.
 * She was wrong when she said it was 6 months away, maybe she had a brain fart, she was live on TV & mother’s day was not on her mind, Trish randomly brought it up & randomly brought Dorothy on camera which was not on the script. She simply was stunned & trying to talk on TV & she just blustered that out without thinking. It was only her, Trish & then Dorothy on camera, so no one else was going to correct her, Dorothy was just as stunned as her & Trish was preoccupied at getting out of there so. She too. Wasn’t going to correct her.
 * Potentially Mother’s Day is a different date in the MCU
 * She was talking about Mother’s day in a different culture/country (Yes this has pretty much been debunked)
 * Maybe she confused it with father’s day? Her mother’s birthday?
 * She was over exaggerating/under exaggerating how soon or far away it is by just placing it at the opposite end of the year.
 * She meant to say ‘6 weeks’ away & just tripped over her words.
 * It would be a little strange for Netflix to jump so far ahead as most of their seasons take place just after the end the most recent season or run alongside the last few episodes of the most recent season, I know thins’t always the case but most of the time, it would just be strange to jump months into the future, skipping a full season.
 * If this is supposed to be post-snap then it’s very hard to believe based on lack of discussion or missing characters. Even Oscar showed up, if he’d not shown up we could make assumptions he was snapped & that’s why he isn’t with Jess after them setting the two of them up at the end of season 2 but we know he’s alive.
 * Not only do we see all of the main characters are still alive, but we also know that Danny Rand is still alive, as is Luke Cage. Mike Colter has (albeit jokingly) confirmed Luke was snapped, yet he showed up. It’s hard enough to accept all of SHIELD survived the snap, but at least 4 of the 5 Defenders (including Punisher) survived the snap as well as all of the cast of Jessica Jones.
 * Once half the population has been snapped someone smart enough that is a serial killer would use the excuse that their victims had been snapped I’m sure.
 * I don’t buy the Halloween reference with the pumpkin sticker. No one mentions it being Halloween or fall from. What I remember, a sticker is a sticker. Also some people leave Christmas decorations up all year or forget one or 2 things when putting the decorations away, so even it’s not unbelievable that one sticker was just overlooked from Halloween.
 * The football game has also been. Disproven as being an indicator for when this season took place. No one seems to be able to pinpoint the teams or specific game & the game could be recorded from another time of year, or there is just a game on during Spring/early summer
 * Spring/summer collections clothes, sure it may be a little late. But it’s infomercials, they try to convince people they need each item then & there, knowing it is spring/summer right now you will be easier convinced to get this new clothing item.I don’t watch infomercials but from what I. Understand it’s very much a “You can’t go on with your life. Until you have this item, and right now is the perfect time to buy” kind of advertising.

To respond to your points individually: I agree (I know I keep saying that) that it's a lot harder to believe this is post-Snap than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Just a month ago Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was a nightmare situation, but now I look it at and go, "Man, that's easy to believe as a post-Snap setting comparatively." Aside from the number of returning characters being highly unlikely in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., at least it has the advantage of 13 months' distance, the advantage of the fact that there's a theme early in the season of having to pick yourself up and move on after a loss anyway, the advantage of the show moving at a good clip with not much time spent in the wider world and urgent mission matters at hand, and the fact that there is no possibility of it being set pre-Snap because of the explicit Avengers: Infinity War tie-in in Season 5 so you just have to accept it - there's no difficult decision to make because we just have to face it.
 * The brain fart would be a very big one, as far off as you could possibly be (an annual event that you think is 6 months away, as far removed from it as possible, when you're actually in the same month as it), and it's weirdly specific - it's easier to believe it's a brain fart if it were "months away", like she then would think, "Oh no, wait, it's coming up actually." But 6 months is a thought-through comment. Trish also doesn't disagree with her.
 * The Punisher: Season 2 shows on a May 2018 calendar that Mother's Day is the same day in the MCU.
 * Father's Day wouldn't be much better timeline-ways. Maybe she confused it with her mother's birthday, sure, but again, no one objects. Now I do agree that it's not impossible to assume she made a mistake, but it's not easy (I was very disappointed when I saw the scene and came to realise there wasn't really any wiggle room with it specifically being said to be live and Trish not disagreeing).
 * Sure, it would be nice if she meant 6 weeks, but it's hard to assume that.
 * It's not weird for Netflix to make that jump. There's a 6-month jump between The Defenders: Season 1 and The Punisher: Season 1, and a 5-month jump between Daredevil: Season 3 and The Punisher: Season 2, and the real world gap between the releases of The Punisher: Season 2 and Jessica Jones: Season 3 was the longest since Iron Fist: Season 1 to The Defenders: Season 1, it makes sense for a longer gap in the timeline as well. The expectation divorced of Avengers: Infinity War was that it would be around Autumn/Fall 2018 based on how the Netflix shows tend to place (time since last release, amount of time in the past they tend to be set compared to time of release, the fact they tend to be set at the time of filming).
 * I agree with you, it's ridiculous to believe it could be post-Snap without any discussion of it in the show (by the way, that Oscar scene would be pre-Snap anyway, it's a flashback, but yes he's still alive because they talk about him when Vido visits).
 * Yup, if Jessica Jones: Season 3 were post-Snap, Matt would be the only Netflix lead we don't know survives, having only been last mentioned in the main events of The Punisher: Season 2 set pre-Snap. Frank survived (shown in the post-Snap epilogue) and Jessica and Luke would've survived, shown in Season 3, and Danny survived, mentioned in Season 3. It's ridiculous the number of characters who would've survived when you add in Dinah, Trish, Jeri, Malcolm, Oscar, Sonia, Vido, Benowitz, Costa, Dorothy. I'm absolutely not disagreeing with you.
 * I didn't buy the Hallowe'en reference with the pumpkin sticker either as being particularly important, but there are also skeleton decorations shown later on. But I agree it's still not the be all and end all.
 * There's not just one football game, there's another one in a later episode. But again I agree that it's not the be all and end all.
 * The spring/summer collection I agree works just about enough for May.

By the way, the other stuff supporting November in case you're not aware because it's not mentioned here is that they refer to April 2001 as "18 years ago" which is easier to swallow when it's 17.6 years rather than 17.1, it's also dark by 18:30 in Episode 8, the weather recordings and forecast shown make much more sense in November-December than May, and there's a "Wednesday 5" iCloud calendar icon in a late episode.

But to be crystal clear, I am most certainly not making an argument here for November-December. I'm just explaining why it's not as clear-cut as just throwing out a little bit of evidence in favour of May. I think I might even agree with you that my personal inclination is May over November-December due to how nearly impossible it is to be post-Snap. But I just wanted to explain why it's a difficult decision and maybe not as simple as just convincing with a certain argument.

It's a lot harder to believe it's November than May, while it's a lot harder to justify that it's May rather than November. That's the problem in a nutshell.

I haven't accepted it the way I have with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and at no point watched the season from the perspective of "This is a post-Snap world even if they're not acknowledging it" in the way I do with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. I hate the idea of it being post-Snap, while also hating the idea of ignoring the bulk of evidence.

ProBot1227 wrote: ^ | Like Marvelus wrote: I think the general idea is to place it Pre Snao but not ignoring hard evidence in the way. Just find a way to compromise it. Sort of, but there's no compromising in this situation. It's one or the other. The hope is that something bigger will be said to tip the scales in one direction. My hope, however unlikely it seems at this point, is that Jeph Loeb or Melissa Rosenberg discuss it being pre-Snap (the one time we want Loeb to say it, he hasn't), which would give us something concrete to support the feeling of the show, and when added to the current evidence would be enough to tip things towards May 2018. Then we can essentially say, "Well, the show has evidence to the contrary but this is what the higher ups say and it's not entirely unfounded within the show, they're essentially indirectly calling the "6 months" line a mistake for us to ignore, so there we go."

The possibility of there being no further evidence and us having to make a decision based on just this terrifies me and I will openly admit I am stalling.

Spider-Man: Far from Home (DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: I read something about FFH timeline-related in a review, but I'm not going to say it here in case anyone considers it a spoiler. But I certainly did not expect it. Intriguing. Less than 2 days until I see it all being well.

One of the things I've had spoiled worries me a little bit and I wonder if it might be what you're referring to. Whatever the case, all will be revealed soon.