Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20181220062320

Spider-Man: Far from Home (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: And in I guess with whatever logic Sony uses, release the trailer on the same day as the Venom home release. It's been delayed again. Apparently they're on a clock because it was classified a couple of weeks ago and cinemas have it waiting to go, and it's definitely a delay and not just incorrect reports because all these steps point to what usually would be a release within a week or so. Pretty much has to come next week though. I'm not too desperate anyway, the Endgame trailer was the one we were all waiting for.

Principia (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I'll probably take another look but I'm leaning towards 12-11, 12-17, or 12-19. If only it was a tad less blurred. Oh OK Cool, didn't realise that second number of the day was at all visible. Sounds like it doesn't matter too much considering all the options are very close together and also work, and that the date is so hard to make out. 19th would be great though, and allow us to place it almost in the exact same place just with a little bit of actual hard evidence to pinpoint the placement.

Ant-Man and the Wasp House Arrest (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: True, true. The damn sentencing. I remember looking it up after the movie and being confused. House arrest is a conditional sentence and technically, a judge shouldn't be able to sentence Scott to it because of his past crime and/or he's ruled as a violent offender and a house arrest sentence is supposed to be less than 2 years (but in contrast I also read you don't get time shaved, you have to serve the full sentence for house arrest - there's no time off for good behavior like in jail). Hmm, but if that's true. With 4/30 scrubbed, maybe they know it can't be an exact 2 year sentence and say for example instead of 'June 5' they set the release to 'April 5' to satisfy the stipulations. And I wonder where he got sentenced because house arrest could vary by counties. But then again, I don't have a law degree. I just googled and there's likely some disinformation spread around. lol. Yeah this was the problem. I spoke to a relative of mine, who's a lawyer, and she said that it's possible that after 18 months you can apply for the remaining 6 months to be halved - however, she did also say that it may be different in the U.S./specifically California since the U.S. often varies by state. And I did see some things suggesting time cannot be taken off because house arrest is your compromise, and your motivation to behave well is that if you don't, you will return to prison. But like you say, there's contradictory information and things and it's all a bit tricky. But there's a couple of things that could mean it doesn't go all the way to June 2018 (even if, purely based on Ant-Man and the Wasp, it does very much seem like it should be a full 24 months).

Saving Netflix Characters (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: At least "2 years" is better than "never." I think the best case scenario is a mix of some characters being recast, some actors coming back. I think this whole recasting thing was blown out of proportion from Alan Sepinwall's tweet. What he meant when he said that, I'm fairly sure, was that the contracts and things are so difficult that if Disney+ were to bring these characters back, it would pretty much have to be recasting. It was basically him just further saying that these characters aren't coming back, not saying "they will bring them back and recast".

I'm sure there would be a backlash with recasting, especially if they retconned the shows out of canon. That would just be ridiculous, and I know Feige's not a big fan of Marvel Television and the divisions don't get along too well, but that would just be disrespectful and unfair when these were always sold and presented and made as official MCU canon. I know I, at least, would be very annoyed. I'd only be worried that all the people who don't watch Marvel TV (especially the people who don't watch and then say "Well it's not really canon) would be excited by it and say, "Oh great I don't ever have to watch them and can watch the film people do this stuff properly!"

But yeah, I'm going to maintain until further evidence that these won't be recast or retconned.

Some Disney executive just said something about there being a chance that they'll save these shows but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Iron Fist: Season 2/Daredevil: Season 3 (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Intriguing. Well done, BEJT. Looking forward to reading more. Thanks. I haven't quite had time to formally type up my reasoning notes but I'm happy with those results. I've also worked out the watch order. Thought I'd also add the final placements for Date Announcement and Memories.

Originally I was going to just place them as many days before the season as they were released, but that would be a bit messy with an overlap with Luke Cage: Season 2. Whenever there's sets of Marvel content that are intentionally released in chronological order, it's helpful because you can slip things in. For example, from Captain America: The First Avenger (considering it's technically set in 2011 and the 1940s stuff is technically all flashbacks) through to Captain America: Civil War, every MCU film was set in the order they came out with no overlap. So if a Winter Soldier prelude comic, for example, came out 40% of the way between Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier and there's no particular evidence to place it exactly other than "between The Avengers and The Winter Soldier, probably closer to The Winter Soldier", it makes sense to rather than just go for the halfway point between The Avengers and The Winter Soldier, instead place it 40% of the way between The Dark World and The Winter Soldier and consider it as basically just part of that continuous chronological film line that was going on at the time.

So it's nice to find these continuous through lines sometimes to place odd pieces of content. And, aside from Rand Cares (which came out before Luke Cage: Season 2 but was set after), there's been a nice no-overlap through line from The Punisher: Season 1 through to Iron Fist: Season 2, where every event of the Netflix episodes is set sequentially, including prologues and epilogues etc.. At any rate, with the Rand Cares video coming out before Luke Cage: Season 2, there's at least a through line from Luke Cage: Season 2 into Iron Fist: Season 2 where all Marvel Netflix content from June 21, 2018 to September 8, 2018 was set in one nice order. And because these two Iron Fist teasers fall in that time (released in July 2018), it makes sense for them to be set after the ending of Luke Cage: Season 2 and before the start of Iron Fist: Season 2.

So, with that all said... Iron Fist: Season 2 released September 7, 2018 07:00 UTC, 1848 hours after Luke Cage: Season 2, which was June 22, 2018 07:00 UTC.
 * Date Announcement released July 20, 2018 02:00 UTC, 667 hours into those 1848 hours, 0.36093 of the way between.
 * So, 0.36093 of the way between September 17, 2017 21:00 Eastern (the date and approximate time of the ending of Luke Cage: Season 2) and October 3, 2017 01:00 Eastern (the date and approximate time of the beginning of Iron Fist: Season 2) gives roughly September 23, 2017 08:23 Eastern. It's daytime, and the closest daytime is the daytime of September 23, 2017, so it's set roughly on September 23, 2017.
 * Memories released July 28, 2018 09:22:49 UTC, 866.38028 hours into those 1848 hours, 0.47964 of the way between.
 * So, 0.47964 of the way between September 17, 2017 21:00 Eastern and October 3, 2017 01:00 Eastern gives roughly September 25, 2017 03:35 Eastern. It's daytime, and the closest daytime (especially since it appears to probably be morning) is the daytime of September 25, 2017, so it's set roughly on September 25, 2017.

With that all said, going by my rule of ordering by the setting of the midpoint:
 * September 8, 2017 - LC: 2,13 - They Reminisce Over You
 * (September 10, 2017 - more complicated chronological placement for AoS: 5,4 - A Life Earned)
 * September 17, 2017 (about a week after the end of the main events of Luke Cage: Season 2) - Rand Cares
 * September 23, 2017 - Date Announcement
 * September 24, 2017 (the midpoint of the episode is Donovan meeting Fisk in prison, which is just under a month before the main events of the season) - Dd: 3,1 = Resurrection
 * September 25, 2017 - Memories
 * October 3-7, 2017 - IF: 2,1 - The Fury of Iron Fist to 2,3 - This Deadly Secret
 * (October 8, 2017 morning - more complicated chronological placement for AoS: 5,6 - Fun & Games)
 * October 8, 2017 evening - IF: 2,4 - Target: Iron Fist
 * October 9-20, 2017 - IF: 2,5 - Heart of the Dragon to 2,7 - Morning of the Mindstorm
 * (October 22, 2017 - more complicated chronological placement for AoS: 5,7 - Together or Not at All)
 * October 23, 2017 - Dd: 3,2 - Please
 * October 24, 2017 - Dd: 3,3 - No Good Deed
 * October 25, 2017 morning - Dd: 3,4 - Blindsided
 * October 25, 2017 afternoon - IF: 2,8 - Citadel on the Edge of Vengeance
 * October 26, 2017 morning - IF: 2,9 - War Without End
 * October 26, 2017 afternoon - Dd: 3,5 - The Perfect Game
 * October 27, 2017 morning - IF: 2,10 - A Duel of Iron
 * October 27, 2017 afternoon - Dd: 3,6 - The Devil You Know
 * October 28-November 3, 2017 - Dd: 3,7 - Aftermath to 3,13 - A New Napkin

I also forgot to mention another two things that work better with Iron Fist in 2017: Danny still saying he's been gone for "15 years" implying that the time since he got back was negligible (so the less the better) and also working better with early October 2017 as still just less than 16 years since the crash, and the several mentions of "months" being implied to be referring to the time since Season 1 or events shortly after Season 1. Still don't really work but needs less fudging.

Anyway, yes, my formal write-up and working out of the overlapping scenes' timings will come soon, but I hope the dates are satisfactory and sufficient for now.

Spider-Man: Far from Home Prelude (Marvelus, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: By the way guys, there is a Spider-Man: Far From Home Prelude coming soon, I just hope they do not adress the "8 years later" thing. That was exactly my thought process after finding out a few minutes before you posted this. "Oh, the Spider-Man: Far from Home Prelude has been officially announced. Knowing the way these comics work these days, that will most likely just be a Homecoming adaptation, I guess. Yes, OK, right, it's an adaptation. Wait a second... what are they going to do about "8 years later"..." and then Marvelus posted this minutes later.

However...

Mrmichaelt wrote: Thanks for jinxing it. :P This might surprise you guys, but I actually don't particularly care, and am not really worried. With all the confirmation we've had of it being wrong and that we should discount it, whatever they do shouldn't really matter. It would be awesome if they corrected it to 4 but if they don't, it's understandable since it's a straight adaptation of the film, and can be discounted the same way as the film. It's very possible that they just find a way around it without having to put the number of years or even skip that prologue entirely and start with the Civil War aftermath.

The only final possibility would be that they attempt to correct it but still get it wrong, but the only realistic outcome of that would be saying "5 years later" (thinking 2012-2017), which again, with all the other evidence/confirmation, wouldn't particularly be a problem.

Runaways Showrunners (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The showrunners for Runaways discussed a timeline on one of the newest Marvel videos on YouTube. Season 2 starts 24 hours after Season 1, Season 1 happened in a very compressed time period, and Season 2 will encompass a longer time period than Season 1. Yes! I just saw that video earlier today and it's nice. I don't think that he means "timeline" quite in the way that we do, he seems to be referring more to "rough how many days has it been since the last episode?" than "when does this all specifically take place?". But it's not bad news to hear that they're at least paying some attention. I'm hoping that it's more like 36 hours after Season 1 because it could get a bit problematic with Christmas Day.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Nice! I loved hearing Schwartz is obsessed with the timeline of the show. heh heh. So I guess, season 1 ended/season 2 starts in late December 2017. Wonder if Christmas and New Years will come up. A longer time period. Probably to March or April. Well presumably up to before the events of Infinity War in May-ish. Not sure that it will span a few months, but maybe a couple of months. I doubt they'll address Christmas and New Year unfortunately because I'm not convinced (especially with how contradictory Season 1 was) that they know exactly when this is happening, but hopefully we can make it work nonetheless.

It's out in like 24 hours, wow. Can't say I'm massively excited for another all-at-once TV season drop because it can be quite arduous to power through in just a few days, but hey. And I've got back to my write-ups, I should be finished checking Runaways: Season 1 this weekend, so that's reasonably good timing.

MCU Comics (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: So I've gone through and read about all the MCU comics I can find, but there are several I can't find anywhere online. Does anyone know or possibly have any of the following comics? I know most or all of these are not canon, but I want to read them anyways.

Avengers: Age of Ultron Episode 0 Captain America: Evil Lurks Everywhere Doctor Strange: Episode 0 Guardians of the Galaxy: EcoSport Adventure Iron Man: Will Online Evils Prevail? Iron Man 2: Forewarned is Four-Armed! Iron Man 2: Security Breach Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic Iron Man: Limited Edition Iron Man: The Price of Doing Business Spider-Man Homecoming: Morning Rush Spider-Man Homecoming: School of Shock

Also, someone seemed to have started a translation of the Doctor Strange: Episode 0 manga, as seen here. Does anyone know more about that? Ah I've just reread your message, because I was going to say they're not canon and so not to worry, but you're still interested in reading. I get that, so am I (though I've come to care less and less about these).

I will explain that yes, these are all non-canon, in the binary canonical sense of them not being official canon. These are the only official canon MCU comics (either they have a red MCU canon stamp or they have been officially confirmed by the Kevin Feige of MCU comics, Will Corona Pilgrim, to be canon despite not having a stamp - usually because they were published before the stamp became a thing, but also because Jessica Jones didn't get stamped because it's on the TV side of things). All other MCU comics are what they label as "inspired canon" - a sort of "semi-canon" state that ultimately falls on the side of "no, they're not actually canon", but for stories which are inspired by the MCU and made as if they are set in it, just are not actually. The video games of the films are also in the "inspired canon" camp. Made with the film characters' designs, sometimes with the actors' voices, made to fit with the films, but not actually canon and often with pieces that don't actually quite fit. I would also say deleted scenes are inspired canon, because they essentially are made to fit into the film nicely (the whole point of the deleted scenes), but anything stated in them can easily be thrown out in the future if necessary. Anything inspired canon, including these comics, I do consider for timeline evidence, because it's like comments from people involved - it's made with the intent of relating to canon and therefore if they say that there was "3 months" between certain events then that was intended to be correct - just obviously, proper canon takes priority.

Now, of these inspired canon comics, there are several that are 100% non-canon (I mean, technically, all of these are 100% non-canon but it's just about debatable, what I mean with these ones is it's not even debatable). These are ones with hard contradictions to canon that can be thrown out either way. However, there are several remaining inspired canon comics that don't provide hard contradictions. For whatever reason, the wiki policy is to consider these canon-until-proven-otherwise.

Also, it seems to take a lot for them to discard things, like allowing Nick Fury: Spies like Us despite the fact that it shows Nick Fury, during the Cold War, with an eyepatch, when he has both eyes in 1995, or allowing The Avengers: The Avenger Initiative despite the fact that it shows Captain America during the Blitz when the Blitz ended 2 years before Steve was given the serum. If there's any theory that can be given to make it work (such as Fury happening to wear a very similar eyepatch on the same eye as a disguise, years before he actually lost that eye), it's kept, when really, these should probably be very expendable because they shouldn't even be canon in the first place.

But yeah, all the ones you've listed are inspired canon and basically are not canon, but many of them could fit into canon. And I do get why you want to read them.

Of that list, I think I have a few of them. I'll see at some point if I can find you some links or do some sort of Google Drive thing to share them (I've never done that before). When I first got into the MCU, I hunted a bunch of them down because I thought they were canon. And while I found out about the levels of canon, I always still wanted to read them. It took me until last summer or so to really let them go (it's part of the reason I need to rewrite my Phase One blog, I need to give them less value). I realised that they're not important and it will be kind of impossible to hunt them all down and I shouldn't worry about them. But I do get why you're interested.

With Doctor Strange: Episode 0, that was me - I was the one working through translating it. I'd managed to hunt it down (it took a while, again, I cared back then) and was working through it but it was taking so long to work out what all the characters were and put them into Google Translate, and it was around that time that I decided I shouldn't care so much and so I just left it. That file's still on my laptop.

Anyway, yes, I can help you with some of these if you need, but it might take me some time.