Thread:Shabook/@comment-26838855-20180601164515/@comment-112155-20180610092814

First of all, as I told you before, sorry for the late response, here it goes.

BEJT wrote: An official source has not been needed before for every event order. [...] there are plenty of confirmed dates for events which have still been separated nonetheless due to them being in a Netflix show or Runaways The explanation is always and has always been the same. This wiki is an encyclopedia that aims to collect the information provided by Marvel Studios and Marvel Television regarding their "Marvel Cinematic Universe" brand. Nothing more. We as fans tend to try to fill the gaps they leave, but we cannot, at least not in this wiki. That has always been the purpose of this wiki and its main pillar. So, if Marvel doesn't bother in relating their multiple shows, we should not and we cannot.

BEJT wrote: I was under the impression that the way it worked now was simply that there is one order for films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., one order for Netflix, one order for Runaways... And that worked until now, because the showrunners of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. were accurate enough to place the events of the movies in specific places of their episode order. But that started to fade away after Civil War, and now it's been confirmed that they wouldn't do crossovers anymore, so they don't bother in placing them. And we cannot do it for them, because we can only add to this wiki things that have been confirmed by Marvel without doubt.

BEJT wrote: So otherwise, the case so far has always been to make the order simply the order of the events that has been worked out, so as not to complicate things. Trying to follow the events order for the Infinity War jumping back and forth between the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was, precisely, what was complicated. I'm still unable to understand why did it hurt so much to have a link to the following event in the movie that it had to be removed more than once (not saying it was by you, I didn't even checked who it was the one who kept removing it).

BEJT wrote: And the reason you gave was for there to be a follow-up on the film events Because that's the only thing I added. The order of events was only brought up when the edit was "redone".

BEJT wrote: I was only asking for an explanation, because the reason you gave made it sound like it was just for readers who only care about the films to not look at the Rescue of Doctor Strange and go, ""Before: Infiltration into Qovas' Ship, After: Attack on Glenn Talbot"? Huh? What are those? Where's the Attack on Vision and the Sacrifice of Gamora?" And that's precisely the reason. It's not so hard to two different itineraries, it is still correct, easy to follow for us diehard MCU fans and even easier for average moviegoer fans. There are only benefits in that and no harms.

BEJT wrote: As for the Netflix column you mentioned, the side-by-side clearly suggests that they are concurrent. No, it doesn't. It's exactly the same as when you read a newspaper, an article written on columns, or any relationship section in this wiki's articles. Columns doesn't mean at all that they have anything to do with what is written in the column next to it. I'm honestly unable to understand why it has.

BEJT wrote: This rule for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and film events has not been established before. I'm just a regular guy who, after his job, sits at home and uses a part of his free time in managing this wiki. And I cannot keep the pace that the combination of a behemoth Holywood Studio and a Television producing company keep for their products. And sometimes things cannot be decided or sorted out until they happen, even if that means changing what has been done until then. Admins have that role, of managing a wiki and sometimes having to decide how it is done best.

Even then, if we decide to publish an editorial for a new reality, there is no point for it, because most people don't even care. Latest one that was published, for the spree of changing all characters' status to "unknown", only served for a guy to harass and insult me in two other wikis. I can send you the link if you're curious.

BEJT wrote: I know you think very little of the timeline pages That's not true, it's simply that I stopped being interested in contributing to them, the same way I'm not interested in adding images to galleries or many other kind of articles. But as an admin, it is the duty I assumed to keep an eye and manage all of them.

BEJT wrote: As well as this, I work hard for quality control, for cleaning up the articles and improving the state of the wiki, as well as clearing fanon dates from articles as you suggested before, and do some sporadic general work on articles outside of the timeline. And that's one of the reasons I will propose you, among very few others, as a new content moderator next time we open that kind of discussion.

BEJT wrote: But I feel like you see me as a hindrance and annoyance. The only thing that annoyed me of the whole situation is the practice of redoing edits that had been corrected before, and having to waste time in doing things over and over again. And I was annoyed at the practice itself, not the person/people who did it. There are some practices in this wiki that annoy me, just like anybody else, but that doesn't mean I havve to be annoyed per se to the people who do them.

But overall, what probably happens, is that I'm tired, extremely tired, of getting into arguments, discussions, accusations, and sometimes, being scolded and insulted just for managing this wiki; and seeing zero empathy, because people can still talk trash and threaten admins, but are scolded whenever they say anything.

I see other wikis where admins just say "because I'm an admin, do as I say or be gone". The DC wiki even has an image of Batman saying "Do as you're told" to describe their admins. Is that the way we do have to follow? I certainly don't think so, but there are some instances where I think it would be all less complicated.