Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190512131141

Past Dates (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: Nice! Just saw the AMATW dates in 1995, thanks for letting me know BEJT Sorry it took me a while. The other Ant-Man and the Wasp dates are now done and can be found here.

And if you check February 2009 and February 2017, the Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 events are up now.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6 (Mrmichaelt, Rman823, Marvelus, SwagMasterDbl, The Wikia Editor, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Mrmichaelt wrote: In a nutshell, think about AOS S1-5. The team has been through the kind of loss and trauma the world went through in IW. They got thick skin already and know how to deal already.

I saw this theory circulating and I'm liking it. Sarge and his team are "time cops" and they destroy time aberrations. Namely Earth was supposed to be destroyed by the "Destroyer of Worlds" in the 'original' scenario we learned about last season and Deke doesn't belong in the present. So Sarge and co. are coming to rectify things. That's my way of justifying this as well.

Yeah, I've also seen that theory. We'll see.

Rman823 wrote: After the A.O.S. Season 6 premiere, I didn't really see anything that would contradict it being in a post snap world. Yes there's the whole all the agents survived thing, but if the 6 OG Avengers can I don't see why the team couldn't. Until we get more information, I think I'm just sticking with it being in the main timeline. Got to love that Piper actually had a line "We'd turn to dust" that had to be intentional. Also with the introduction of an Agent Keller, I'm curious if there's any relation to Captain Marvel's Keller. Yeah there's nothing to contradict it, which is helpful. The one point where I feel they're really stretching it is Daisy, Piper, and Davis not saying, "I'm sorry, but we don't even know if Fitz survived half of the universe turning to dust." But perhaps that was a conversation they had a while ago and they didn't feel the need to remind her he might be dead from this, since they weren't trying to convince her to give up, just to take a break.

It's more of a stretch to believe all of these guys survived. Ten returning characters so far which makes a 1 in 1024 chance of them all surviving.

Caught that about Keller, hope it's intentional.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Yeah, that's one down. But the problem is disinformation thanks to more "EPs saying it's pre-Snap" articles coming out. Marvelus wrote: They expressed the idea badly Mrmichaelt wrote: All they had to do, imo, was in the scene with Benson in the bar -- mention his husband turned to dust, hence his current state. And that's all they really needed to do then move on with just focusing on AOS, not the MCU.

I have a feeling they're going to parrot 'pre-Snap' with Jessica Jones.

But with Enoch's line at the cold open. 73 years, 261 days. So they got attacked 104 days after Fitz was cryo-frozen in late November 2017. So 104 days is over 3.5 months so that was about March 2018-ish? So then logically, the One Year Later indicates the season's present is March 2019. While it would be weird for that to be the only reference to the Snap, it would at least mean that it had addressed it, allowing the show to move on as you say.

They will absolutely say that for Jessica Jones. That one they have more leniency with due to the world not being as clear on the Netflix timeline's relation to the film as they are on the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. timeline, so they can take advantage of that. If they're willing to say it for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., there's no way they don't say it for Jessica Jones.

I don't think the present is March, because Mack implies that it's the anniversary of Coulson's death tomorrow. May and Coulson got more time than they expected together, so he probably lived for a few weeks considering that was the maximum he was given in The End, making this April-July 2019 depending on whether Infinity War is March, April, May, or June 2018.

As for the 261 days, I don't think that Fitz was asleep for exactly 74.0 years. But that line is interesting, you would think that that scene is after Season 5, a) because of just linear storytelling but b) because surely this didn't happen in the original timeline, so it has to be after the timeline split. However, the latest he can wake up is December 27, 2091, so the latest this can be is April 9, 2018. That would suggest Season 5 does indeed end around March, despite things seemingly implying it's later than that now.

SwagMasterDbl wrote: Hi it's swag popping in again to ask how the hell you guys are handling Agents of Shield completely ignoring the decimation. I personally am very confused Rman823 wrote: Yep. There are already people on the SHIELD subreddit coming up with a timeline that allows Season 6 to be pre-snap even though it contradicts so much information from the show. It’s literally 8 Years Later all over again. This is why I stay away from Reddit. It's stressful.

I still don't think this is "8 years later" bad. Nothing's "8 years later" bad.

Mrmichaelt wrote: SIGH. Mrmichaelt wrote: We've never met but, yep we've been discussing this nugget -- see around post #400. Rman823 wrote: The OP actually assumes that they intentionally retconned the Infinity War tie in during Season 5 just so Season 6 could also be pre-snap. I mean come on. What's the OP?

SwagMasterDbl wrote: Agents of Shield might as well just be its own universe as like an alternate non-canon MCU, because this is ridiculous Don't say that. Dangerous line of thought.

The Wikia Editor wrote: At the end of the day, Loeb's statement is only one source of information, which will have to be compared to all the other ones in order to see how it stacks up. Right now, it seems that we can safely assume that AoS Season 6 takes place in a post-snap world without any real contradictions. Well yeah, frankly, his statement is just to be discarded because it's completely impossible.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I'm telling myself they're talking about it being before Hulk's Snap. :P Marvelus wrote: Huh. That works for me. Mrmichaelt wrote: If they want to be cute about saying pre-Snap over and over, I'll be, too, since there's 4 different Snaps. ;) Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: This is probably the best answer lol

But yeah, the episode gave no contradictions to it being post-Snap, so I'm sticking with it still being canon, being a year after the Snap, and that is that. Some other things:
 * Briana Venskus tweeted this. It probably means nothing but you never know. Some people are wondering if the season is multiverse-related.
 * There's a really annoying article going around with the headline saying that Ming-Na Wen has said the show has departed the MCU, which is not going to help. It's a stupid headline, the full comment is actually, "I think at this point it's safe to say that we have departed from following the [Marvel] Cinematic Universe in that sense, and are just telling our own stories and our own situations."

The Framework (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The Darkhold only gives knowledge on interdimensional transport.

Lucy and Joseph Bauer saw the Quantum Particle Generator, which would summon matter from other dimensions gathered through the Quantum Batteries, where Lucy and her co-workers were imprisoned by Eli Morrow.

Eli saw how to correct the miscalculations that Lucy and Joseph made, allowing him to give himself the power to summon matter from other dimensions without the need for the Particle Generator or the Quantum Batteries. It also shouldn't be ignored that in the blast that gives Eli his powers, any living creature nearby was stuck between dimensions.

When AIDA looked at it, it gave her instructions on how to summon back Coulson and Fitz from between dimensions, while also corrupting her programming and making her become more intent on becoming truly human.

When Radcliffe looked at it, it gave him the knowledge to successfully structure the Framework, and transfer someone's consciousness from the MCU's world to the Framework's world.

When Framework!Fitz read the Darkhold, he created a device that would be able to essentially 3-D print a living, breathing human body into the MCU from the Framework.

If the Framework was simply a video game-esque virtual reality, you wouldn't be able to die in the Framework, waking up in the real world if you did die inside, as that's how virtual reality works. Radcliffe's exposure to it also doesn't make sense with what the book did to all of its other readers. Every single one was given information to facilitate interdimensional transport (which makes sense, since the creator of the Darkhold is the interdimensionally imprisoned demon Chthon). This backs up the theory that the Framework is in fact an alternate dimension, that's simply accessed through technological means. It also backs up why the death of your "avatar" would result in your death in the real world.

And in the season finale, Anton directly tells Ophelia that the Darkhold has information that can allow her to transform the MCU Earth into its Framework counterpart, essentially transporting that world into their reality.

The only things that don't fit into this theory are AIDA learning about the Quantum Brain and Anton learning an undisclosed method of eradicating all Inhumans. It's an interesting theory but I can't say I agree. I think the way it's laid out as an extremely sophisticated (due to super knowledge) virtual reality makes the most sense. Especially since Radcliffe and Agnes had been working on it before the Darkhold and because it's edited by Aida every time she puts someone in. Plus Daisy and Jemma couldn't hack in if it were a real world. The reason they die is because their brains are fully connected to this world, they're not just like wearing a headset or anything.

Now I'm up-to-date on Cloak & Dagger, I also definitely don't think Andre's worlds are alternate realities. They're just part of the cloak's dimension. They're essentially dreams, which is why Andre can enter them and manipulate things, why Tandy is affected by her real self leaking in, why they talk about Andrew just messing with her head, and why she walks out of one into another and that sort of thing.

Multiverse (me, Marvelus, Protego Maxima, Elledy92, Mrmichaelt, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
BEJT wrote: So the rumours were true, Quentin Beck is from the multiverse.

I hope however they do it, it's handled well. It could be really fun or it could be a massive headache. And I wonder if it's related to branching timelines or is a separate thing. Marvelus wrote: Well. Technically, they are all from the Multiverse. Never heard that rumor. The trailer seems great. I hope the movie is better than Spider-Man 2 Yes yes I know😂 but you know what I mean.

The rumour came out a few days before the trailer.

Homecoming is personally my favourite Spider-Man film, even slightly more than Into the Spider-Verse.

Protego Maxima wrote: From new Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer: "The snap tore a hole in our dimension"

You think this will be the excuse that AoS Season 6 use for its current situation? BEJT wrote: I personally don't like the idea of it being set in some different dimension to the MCU.

But anyway, I don't think they have an excuse. Maybe they'll manage to come up with one later, but they don't at the moment, and if they didn't know enough about Endgame, they probably didn't know about Far from Home either.

Also I reckon that line will be more embellished in the actual film. There's no reason why literally the Snap (also, so glad he calls it that and not the "Decimation", which means killing 10%) by itself should've caused any sort of rupture in reality.

Honestly, not excited about the multiverse, due to how messy it could get. But we'll see. Protego Maxima wrote: Exactly. Protego Maxima wrote: Well, if they made Quantum Realm as a tool of time travel, they can make Snap tore a hole too. Because plot demands it :) That was fairly set up with the discussion in the Ant-Man films about time being weird in the Quantum Realm and then the mention of time vortices. I don't think it was particularly plucked out of nowhere because the plot demanded it.

Elledy92 wrote: Well, in Endgame is stated that using the Stones causes a massive amount of cosmic energy. Having two Snap at very short distance must had an effect on the space-time continuum. I wouldn't say "must", because there's no obvious reason why it should. But "might", sure. Maybe that's the excuse.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I'm still a little skeptical it's part of Mysterio's act/scheme. I considered mentioning this but didn't think it important. Yeah, there's a good chance he's lying, but I think even if he is that the existence of the multiverse is likely true, since Fury would've looked into it.

BEJT wrote: Jon Watts has done an interview.

They don't say exactly how long it has been since Endgame but it's "almost immediately". We'll see if we can use the "minutes" after thing as a strict piece of evidence placing Steve on the bench on the same day as the start of Far from Home, therefore allowing us to work backwards and place Endgame most likely in June 2023.

They address alternate timelines in the film but Watts doesn't make it clear if that is the multiverse or not. I mean, it would be odd if they address both alternate timelines and the multiverse as a separate thing in the same film. And apparently Fury will indeed explain the rules of the multiverse.

He says Aunt May died in the Snap despite the Russos saying she survived.

He's fully aware of things like the complications of your age being 5 less than what your date of birth suggests.

He correctly calls Peter 16.

There's going to be ground level repercussions of the Snap touched on, like people's mismatched ages. I wonder if the Aunt May thing will actually be mentioned in the film, overruling the Russo comment.

I also hope that the film does delve into the aftermath, but also hope it doesn't get massively caught up in it to the point where it distracts from the film itself.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Someone on Reddit said that M&M retracted their statement in a follow-up interview. That they're now agreeing with the Russos about Cap going to an alternate timeline to be with Peggy.

I'm still waiting on a source from them as I found it dubious at best. Probably not true. Markus and McFeely just the other day were still standing by their stance and confirmed the fan theory that they always planned for him to be her husband. "It was always our intention that he was the father of those two children."

BEJT wrote: Meanwhile, the Russos have said again that Steve is in an alternate timeline and give no explanation for the Ancient One scene, just saying that alternate timelines are opened up. They also call the multiple timelines the "multiverse", perhaps being the Marvel definition and thus hunting that that's also what Far from Home means - "alternate timelines" and "multiverse" are one and the same, and "multiverse" isn't just parallel worlds or, as the Ancient One describes it, just the different dimensions. Elledy92 wrote: I'm pretty sure that, even in Doctor Strange, the Multiverse refer to the collective of every reality in existence, meaning both alternate dimension and parallel universes. The Sorcerer Supreme can see through numerous alternate timeline and possible futures, so i don't think that they can be excluded from this definition. Elledy92 wrote: In my mind, dimension and parallel universes works as the "meridians and parallels" of reality.

We only witnessed the "meridians", the parallel dimension that form different layer of what we know as Earth-19999. Agents of SHIELD, Endgame and Far From Home introduce the parallels, the other space continuum that co-exist with Earth-19999. Some of them are branch of Earth-19999 itself, some of them may not. BEJT wrote: True, the Doctor Strange mention doesn't actually define the multiverse, just it mentions it after Strange has witnessed all the different dimensions so implies that to be what the multiverse is. But there's absolutely room there, "this vast multiverse" and I believe she also later says "an infinite multiverse", for it to encompass all sorts of things.

This is why I'm not excited about this. It's so murky. I need full definitions and distinctions for and between realities, dimensions, timelines, and parallel universes, distinction on how things split and whether that makes them two different universes since they stem from the same one or just two different timelines of the same universe - again, all the differences/distinctions - I want definitions and logistics of the multiverse. It's just so messy. Elledy92 wrote: That can't be two timelines of the same universe. A different timeline is a different universe. I don't know, i always took that for granted. I think that also apply to universe who aren't branch of Earth-19999, but just parallel realities with many similarities. The dimension is a different state, a different place of the same universe that coexist with the regular plane, but in a different "state". Elledy92 wrote: Which brings me to a difficult topic, which i don't know if it was opened up yet somwhere else:

Now that the Multiverse is properly established, should we think to split the page for different version of the characters? Having the information of both version of Gamora, Ebony Maw, Yo-Yo Rodriguez, etc. only brings confusion for the edit. BEJT, if this thread was opened in the past, can you link me to it? BEJT wrote: Yeah, it doesn't seem possible that you could have two timelines in the same universe, but it also seems odd to me that the universe could "split" into two universes. That if you trace two different universes back in their timelines at some point they somehow merge. And how do you name these? Is the stem its own designation "Universe A" while the two branches are "Universe B" and "Universe C"? Because Universe A is still part of Universe B, but also just as much of Universe C. So "Universe A/B" then becoming "Universe A" and "Universe B"? You're still distinguishing where you shouldn't. People asked about the designation of the Lighthouse timeline but I have no idea, because why does the new timeline get to be "Earth-19999", the same designation as the stem timeline, but the Lighthouse one gets its own designation? It's still 19999 up to 2018. Parallel universes seems to make more sense to me as completely distinct alternate worlds. The The Flash TV show, for example (not a good example for time travel rules and things because it's all over the place, but just giving the example of what I mean), has numerous distinct universes ("Earth-1", "Earth-2", "Earth-3", etc.), but within each universe you can also change the timeline. Characters pop over to Earth-2, the Flash changes the Earth-1 timeline, but then the Earth-2 characters pop back over to Earth-1 and they remember it all, while none of the other characters do (except the Flash), because they were unaffected by the time travel on Earth-1.

But then again, maybe that's the Russo distinction about rewriting time rather than just creating diverging timelines. I always took things like X-Men: Days of Future Past (weirdly, also another film set in 2023 where the present is horrible and they have to travel back to the past to fix it) or The Flash to be that you create an alternate timeline with your time travel, just when you "return", you come out in the same date you left, but in the new timeline (which is the main thing the Russos and Markus and McFeely seem to, correctly because it doesn't make sense, have a problem with), and the old timeline becomes inaccessible/cut off. The Flash does whiteboard-drawing explanations line. I always took it in fiction that that is the "Butterfly Effect", not literally rewriting time but splitting the timeline and cutting out the last one. The Russos and Markus and McFeely seem to feel, however, that with things like this and Back to the Future, you are literally rewriting the one timeline (which they are correct in saying is not possible). So if that were the case, then that could explain why Earth-1 in The Flash, for example, could keep having its timeline changed without making more Earths - that there aren't "multiple timelines in one universe", but rather one timeline per universe. But the show does specifically talk about splitting timelines.

It's not important, I'm not trying to justify that show's version of time travel because it's nonsense and makes it up as it goes along, but what I'm trying to get at is the subtleties of how you define these various terms. Does literally every universe stem back to the one universe with a Big Bang divergence point, and ever since then events have split and split and split into more and more splitting universes? Or do different parallel universes each have their own Big Bang and tree of events? Essentially, if you think of the branches like a tree, is the multiverse one big tree, or is it lots of thinner trees side-by-side? Which would mean branched timelines within each universe. But yes, it does seem odd to think of a universe with branched timelines, so maybe each branch on the tree is defined as a "universe", and each tree is a "reality", so there's a "reality" with lots of different branched timelines/universes, and "timeline branch"/"universe" can be used interchangeably - then the multiverse is made up of realities, which are made up of branched timelines/universes, which each have their own various dimensions...

I'm not looking for answers from you guys to these questions and there's far more questions I could ask, I'm just giving examples of the kind of spiralling questions one can ask when you get into all this timeline reality dimension multiverse stuff, and how messy it can get.

As for different pages, I don't really get involved in those sorts of wiki decisions, but when someone started making different pages, Uskok deleted them and said that that's a Marvel Database thing, not an MCU Wiki thing. But I wonder if perhaps, if the MCU starts going deeper into this sort of stuff, that that might change. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, things can get quite complicated and messy if the whole thing with the Multiverse isn't handled carefully.

For what it's worth, the Marvel Database wiki has already provided seperate TRN (Temporary Reality Numbers) designations to each timeline that the Avengers jumped into, including the one where Captain America married Peggy.

In terms of how the Multiverse works, it's generally shown that there are two ways for alternate realities to emerge: Either naturally with no deliberate outside action (i.e. in one universe, you decide to put your right shoe on first, which results in another universe being created in which you choose to put the left one on first instead) or through time travel.

Spider-Man once even made use of this fact when, during a time travel incident, he asked his younger self for help and told him numerous things about the future in order to have things turn out better for his counterpart.

The Multiverse pretty much is one big tree with numerous ever-growing branches. There is also a distinction between different dimensions and alternate realities. The Dark Dimension, for instance, is still located within Earth-199999, as other realities have their own Dark Dimensions with their own Dormammus. The Russos getting in first with their alternate timeline explanation is annoying because it's led to, for example, these alternate timeline designations being given. It's too early really to say whether it's an alternate timeline or the same one.

Thank you for your help giving the basis from the comics.

BEJT wrote: The film has chosen to refer to the MCU as Earth-616 despite the Marvel designation. Elledy92 wrote: It makes sense. Earth-616 is the main definition of the prime universe in the comics, but the code is different in other reality. The main Earth of Into the Spiderverse is known as Earth-1610, and Peter B Parker's Earth is called Earth-616 (even if they are clearly not the one of the comics). It irked me in Into the Spider-Verse as well😂.

My justification is that there's sub-multiverses within a multiverse, even if that doesn't really make sense. Basically in the way a galaxy is to a universe, a sub-multiverse is within a multiverse.

Marvel as an entire brand has a multiverse, encompassing the comics, films, TV, audio dramas, whatever else. However, there's sort of clusters of universes, like how a universe has galaxies which are clusters of solar systems, or how a galaxy has solar systems which are clusters of planets. The comic universes are in one cluster which can be named as the "Earth-616 cluster", named after its main universe, Earth-616. The MCU multiverse is the "Earth-199999 cluster", named after its main universe, Earth-199999. However, within that cluster, the same way we just call our solar system's sun "the Sun" despite it having a wider more objective classification in the universe, the main universe is labelled "616" by residents because it's the general name for a prime universe, the way a sun is the general name for the star at the centre of a solar system.

Into the Spider-Verse would be its own cluster of universes.

I never really liked the idea of the Marvel Cinematic Universe being in any way connected to the comics or anything else Marvel, so since they are technically all considered to be part of the wider multiverse despite there seemingly being multiverses of their own in each franchise, this idea of sub-multiverses seems to fit best.

Elledy92 wrote: I just hope that in the future, Marvel Studios (and hopefully Marvel Entertainment too) will gave us the official numbers of all the alternate realities created through Time Travel. The Wikia Editor wrote: I'd prefer for them to just use the official designation of Earth-199999. I get that they're doing it for the fanservice, but the problem is that fans who get the reference (such as myself), will also know that it's incorrect. It bothered me a little in Into the Spider-Verse and it bothers me here as well. At least Mysterio's reality, Earth-823, is a new designation that's never been used, so that's fine.

And to be fair, this kind of situation is similar to an X-Men storyline in which a group from another universe tried to invade Earth-616. In the main story, the invasion was stopped, but several alternate realities in which they succeeded have also been shown in which the alternate realities are each still referred to as "Earth-616" in-story, even though each of them has received its own official designation. Yeah. To be fair to them, 199999 is quite a mouthful.

Elledy92 wrote: Earth-833 is a name already used in the comics. It is the home reality of Bill Braddock a.k.a. Spider-Man UK.

''The numerical designation for realities, and the assignation of 616 to the core reality, occurred during Alan Moore's run on Captain Britain Vol. 2 in the 1980's. Alan Moore has confirmed that, contrary to popular belief, there is no particular significance to the number (one popular rumor suggests that it has something to do with the date of the release of the first Fantastic Four issue in 1961). There is considerable irony in the fact that the "primary" Marvel reality had been assigned a number quite a way down the scale.'' The Wikia Editor wrote: Mysterio says Earth-823, not Earth-833. Although the latter would admittedly have been a nice easter egg, given that a good portion of the movie will apparently take place in London. Elledy92 is right, he says "833" I'm pretty sure.

Marvelus wrote: Anyone else thinks that this storyline is NOT for a Spider-Man movie? BEJT wrote: Yeah, not this Spider-Man series. But I don't think this is a multiverse film or anything, it's just introducing the concept because the film has to deal with the fallout from Endgame. Marvelus wrote: Yeah sure. But the film is not what a Spider-Man movie should be... It looks good due to what it will offer: a fun adventure after Endgame. But overall, I am not that fond of this Spidee-Man version. Which is a shame as I hoped so much that Marvel would do a great job with Spidey. Really?! I love this Spider-Man. I think Tom Holland is perfect and significantly better than both Maguire and Garfield, and I love the way he's been written as this breezy teenager who's in over his head. I particularly loved how Homecoming treated him with the angle of "What if you were a neighbourhood superhero, but also just a 15-year-old trying to get through school, friendships, and relationships?" And out of all the high school-set things I've watched of late, I thought it was by far the most accurate. It didn't feel the need to overdramatise everything or make everything drugs, sex, gossiping, nastiness, backstabbing, and whatever else. It allowed school lives to be much more boring and normal, and in doing so made it so much more interesting, engaging, fun, realistic. I loved it.

Spider-Man got the biggest cheer in my cinema of all the characters coming through the portals.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Before Endgame and this trailer and all the articles, I thought it was just going to be a fun stand alone adventure in Europe and the multiverse time travel fallout from Endgame was going to be saved for a later film like Dr. Strange 2 or the next Ant-Man. Definitely makes Far From Home a more ambitious story... But ugh, trying to stay open minded. Trying. I think it will probably be mostly just a fun adventure. I don't think the multiverse will be a major part of the story, just more giving an excuse for certain things and planting a seed for the future.

Elledy92 wrote: My only grip with Far From Home so far is that i hope that will cease with this all legacy of Iron Man-thing with Spider-Man. I get, he was his mentor and a huge inspiration and it is really sad that his gone but Spidey needs to be his own thing (and that also apply for him working for Nick Fury). Beside that, i'm actually more excite for the movie now that they introduced the Multiverse. It seems like Far From Home is the catalyst of many of the new thing introduced in the MCU and they are doing fun stuff with it. Let's see what it will turn out. I get what you mean about Iron Man, though think it would be bad to not acknowledge it because it's a huge deal for the universe.

Marvelus wrote: I totally agree with you! I am getting tired of all that. If I am honest, I mever felt that connection father-son everyone talked about. I never really saw that. And thst line: "the world needs the new Iron Man" is sooo stupid!

And I also hated when the cops asked him if he was going to be the new Iron Man... Exactly why? Iron Man nevee fought criminals in the streets If any line is going to be a trailer-only line, it would be that, trying to oversimplify the film to lure people in with the mention of Iron Man.

Yeah, that cop thing was a bit odd.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Yeah, I hope the movie ends with Spider-Man deciding to be his own man and step away from the Iron Man legacy. I reckon it won't take until the end of the film for the film to step away from Iron Man, but yeah, perhaps they cement that in the end.

SwagMasterDbl (SwagMasterDbl, Marvelus)
SwagMasterDbl wrote: Wow you're all still kicking in here? Marvelus wrote: Whatever it takes. To paraphrase Steve Rogers, if the timeline needs us... we'll be there.

Doctor Strange 2 (Elledy92)
Elledy92 wrote: On other news, Doctor Strange 2 may be set partially to the 1980s and i'm conflicted about it. My initial reaction to that tweet was that they meant it was inspired by weird comic styles from the 1980s, but that wouldn't make too much sense I guess because it would more likely be the '60s. So yeah, maybe partially set in the 1960s.

I think it's far too early to make any sort of judgment about whether that's a good or bad thing.

Thanos' Weapon (Marvelus, Elledy92)
Marvelus wrote: People is stupid, right? If English were your first language (obviously it's understandable since it's not your first language, and your English is very impressive), this would be ironically funny, because it should be "People are stupid, right?"😂

Anyway, are you feeling they're stupid because they feel the need to ask the question. I agree it's not necessary to ask it and I didn't question it, but I don't think it's a stupid question considering N'Jobu calls vibranium "the strongest substance in the universe", not just the world, in Black Panther. But I mean, it's not like he could possibly actually know that. Guess he was just wrong. Uru is probably the strongest substance since it can seemingly only be destroyed by enchantment/magic.

Also two things about this. One, the response would suggest Thanos' attack on Nidavellir is before Guardians of the Galaxy, which doesn't make sense, it's clearly after since he says "Fine, I'll do it myself" following Ronan's failure and it was shown in Age of Ultron. Unless we discard the comments from last year that that was set on Nidavellir, and actually he attacked in 2014 to get the gauntlet made and then put it in that vault and just decided to put it on for a bit in 2015...

Or maybe he just had Eitri make the weapon in 2014 and told him to make the Infinity Gauntlet and came back to pick it up in 2015😂. Not likely that he would just leave Eitri alone for a while. Unless he left guards there? The saga of Infinity Gauntlet-related inconsistencies continues.

Two, they mention Thanos being 1000 again. Since he's about "1000" in 2014 and 2018 I guess we can assume he was born c. 1016.

Elledy92 wrote: An alien conqueror has a weapon that is capable of cutting Vibranium? Calling me surprised.

However, i notice i minor inconsistency: if the blade was made by Eitri, that means that the Massacre of the Dwarves is dated as far as 2014, which is totally unlikely. You spotted that too, nice. Yeah, this whole Infinity Gauntlet thing is a mess.

Marvelus wrote: I took it as Thanos knew about him and sent someone to get the weapom for him. Maybe. Maybe he just went one time before he attacked for the Gauntlet and simply commissioned a weapon.

Cloak & Dagger (me, Mrmichaelt)
BEJT wrote: An updated version of the scrappy Cloak & Dagger evidence summary, correct up to Season 2, Episode 5 (as far as I've watched, about to get to Episode 6).

Now includes:
 * Season 1, Episode 1 free comic book day notice (thanks Rman823).
 * Season 1, Episode 2 Grief Cottage book I noticed on rewatch, released August 2017.
 * Season 1, Episode 4 "Friday, Jan. 30" poster I noticed on rewatch.
 * Season 2, Episodes 3 and 4 Billy obituaries.
 * Season 2, Episode 4 Tyrone's poster saying he's 18.
 * Season 2, Episode 4 Tyrone being said to be 18.
 * Season 2, Episode 5 Fuchs obituary.
 * Jeph Loeb's comment now going against 2018 because Season 2, Part 1 also came out pre-Endgame and is set 8 months later.
 * Some other slight tweaks.

Firstly, the four possible years in which the show could take place are 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018. This is because the present day events' evidence places it in 2016, 2017, or 2018, the flashbacks of the accident's evidence place it in 2007, 2008, or 2009, and the flashbacks and the present day events are exactly 8 years apart, as is clarified in Episode 8, where it is the 8-year anniversary. So, the only potential years are 2015-2018.

Next, it is also established that the show takes place in February. It is the end of the school basketball season, which is February-March, and it is confirmed in Episode 10 when Mardi Gras occurs - in the four potential years, Mardi Gras was in February. It has to be assumed that the basketball season ended a couple of weeks early in the MCU, and the whole season only takes place over a short amount of time around February.

Since Episode 8 is the 8-year anniversary of the accident, this means that the accident was also in February.

First, I will lay out all of the contradictory evidence in the connected web, like I would if I were to calculate the best possible compromise, like with Phase One. This involves Billy and Tyrone's dates of birth, and the dates of the accident and the present day events - they are all linked together in a contradictory mess. Each piece of evidence will be individual, without the context yet that the accident and the present day events should be February. Usually I would do full and more complicated maths for how important each piece of evidence is, but I'm fairly sure the final answer will be reasonably standout and clear, so a simpler system will suffice. I will just score the evidence roughly out of 10. Again, usually I'd be a lot more specific and mathematical, but with Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 I think there should be no need to waste time and effort on a full/complicated system, so I'm just going to use this easier and quicker, if more crude, scoring system to get this done sooner. It should be enough to illustrate the direction that the evidence points to, and is better at weighting the evidence than merely counting each point equally - if not as good a weighting system as my more complicated one.
 * Billy's date of birth:
 * Season 1, Episode 2: The milk carton in Adina's vision shows his date of birth as "2/13/02". This can just be discarded, since Billy is clearly in his late teens in 2007-2010, whenever the accident is. It must simply be a part of her vision, since Billy appears as a child - the date of birth is representative of a child, as are all the other statistics such as height and weight.
 * Irrelevant.
 * Score: 0/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4: Obituary says he was born "August 1, 1990".
 * August 1, 1990.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 3: Obituary says he was born "August 1, 1990".
 * August 1, 1990.
 * Very small but still just about legible when zoomed in. Score: 4/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 4: Obituary says he was born "August 1, 1990".
 * August 1, 1990.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Tyrone's date of birth:
 * Season 1, Episode 2: Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either.
 * August 19, 2000.
 * Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. As well as this, there is the in-universe possibility that it is incorrect. Score: 2.5/10.
 * The date of the accident:
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Nathan Bowen's work ID is valid from "30MAR08" to "29MAR10", which would mean the accident occurred between those dates.
 * March 30, 2008-March 29, 2010. Roughly March 29.5, 2009.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Security footage shown to the Johnsons the next day shows clearly that Tyrone stealing the radio, earlier in the night, was "2007-04-18". So it's April 18, 2007, contradicting the ID, but very clearly shown. Should be undeniable.
 * April 18, 2007.
 * Very clearly shown, though some in-universe possibility of mistake if the camera is programmed wrong. Score: 8/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2: Adina's vision shows the "missing" dates of her children as being "6/6/08". This can be explained away by the fact it's just a vision - perhaps that's the date on which she was having the anxieties, rather than the date Billy died.
 * June 6, 2008.
 * Small and only just legible. As well as this, there is the in-universe possibility that it is not the actual date of Billy's death. Score: 3.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." This means it is no later than 2009, likely around 2008/2009.
 * Most likely late 2008-early 2009, definitely February 2007 (the earliest any evidence would place the accident)-early 2009. Roughly early 2009.
 * Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. Score: 4/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: The oil rig schematics were revised on what seems to be "9/10/2008", suggesting the accident was after September 10, 2008.
 * September 11, 2008-February 2010 (the latest any evidence would place the accident). Roughly mid-2009.
 * Very small and has to be really cleared up to be legible. Score: 4/10.
 * Present day events (which are late February of whichever year):
 * Jeph Loeb's statement: He stated on Reddit that for the most part, shows released before Avengers 4 will still be set before Avengers: Infinity War. At SDCC, he added that this will be the case unless otherwise specified. Therefore, it is before Spring 2018, when Avengers: Infinity War takes place. Since Season 2, Part 1 also came out in this period and is set 8 months later, then Season 1 cannot be after October 2017.
 * February 2015 (the earliest any evidence would suggest)-October 2017. Roughly mid-2016.
 * Explicit statement, though also the only answer Jeph Loeb can really give. Score: 7/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 8 + Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 + Emma Lahana's statement: Emma Lahana says this is O'Reilly's first case in New Orleans. We are told in Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 that O'Reilly moved to New Orleans, meaning her move is prior to August 2017, when that scene takes place. This means that Cloak & Dagger at the very latest is taking place concurrently with Luke Cage: Season 2 in late August 2017. The implication is that she left after The Defenders: Season 1, when Misty left the precinct for a year in May 2016 - though there is the possibility that Nandi is merely reminding Misty that O'Reilly moved a few months before Misty had left. There is also the possibility of slightly fudging Lahana's comment since it's not explicitly said in the show, so February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the show) isn't completely ruled out. But anything before December 2015 is. In Episode 8, O'Reilly refers to weird things that happened in New York concerning her friend Misty, so at the very least, Luke Cage: Season 1 has taken place, and that is November-December 2015.
 * Most likely May 2016-August 2017, definitely December 2015-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly late 2016-early 2017.
 * Direct dialogue, like an 8/10, statement outside of the actual episodes, like a 6/10. Usually you would take the lowest scoring because it's the weakest piece of evidence this is relying on, but there is an implication of it being an early case of hers anyway, so we should average instead. Score: 7/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Lush Life by Leo Islo plays in-universe. This song was put online on March 27, 2017.
 * March 27, 2017-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly September 2017.
 * Song, the producers could very easily have not thought about it. Score: 3.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Right Now by Vindata plays in-universe. This song was put online on February 22, 2017.
 * February 22, 2017-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly August 2017.
 * Song, the producers could very easily have not thought about it. Score: 3.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: The taxi Tyrone pulls up has an "11 17" registration sticker. This would suggest it's between November 2016 and November 2017, if it's a 1-year sticker. It could be a 2-year sticker and February 2016.
 * Most likely November 2016-November 2017, definitely November 2015-November 2017.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Tyrone has a leaflet for "FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 1st Saturday in May - May 6, 2017". This means it's at least January 2017, and likely before May 2017, though could be after if he just left it up.
 * January 2017-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would suggest). Roughly March 2017.
 * Small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Tyrone and Evita's iPhones seem to be pretty current - like one of the more recent ones at the time of filming in early 2017. But I don't know if it's possible to be 2016 or even 2015 from the phones and iOS shown.
 * Unknown, but the later the better.
 * I'm not good on this, so I can't say it has a particularly strong influence unless I find out more. For now, score: 4/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2: Adina Johnson has the book Grief Cottage, released August 2017.
 * August 2017-February 2018. Roughly November 2017.
 * Legible, but the book doesn't have to have the exact same release date in the MCU. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4: A poster is up for an event on "Friday, Jan. 30", suggesting it's 2015 and that recently happened (since February 2015 is the earlier possible), but it could just be a much older poster left up for commemorative reasons.
 * February 2015.
 * Legible but not clear what it's referring to. Score: 4.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4: A magazine says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017," suggesting it is currently 2017.
 * January 1, 2017-December 31, 2017. Roughly mid-2017.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: O'Reilly looks at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about 8 years ago", and the files on screen are from "02/18/2010", suggesting this is at least August 2017 (7.5 years on), up to February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the season).
 * August 2017-February 2018. Roughly February 2018.
 * Dialogue, but reliant on the prop date - Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: The news from "hours ago" is real life news stories from September 2017. This would suggest it is September 2017.
 * September 2017.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 6: The "STANMAN" license plate says "18". License plates have to be renewed every 2 years, so an 18 plate could expire at any point in 2018. This means no matter when in 2018 it expires, 2017 is completely safe. Only parts of 2016 and parts of 2018 will work.
 * 2016-2018, roughly mid-2017.
 * Small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 8: Tyrone's phone says "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017 (this is no coincidence, October 5, 2017 was pretty much exactly when they'd have been filming Episode 8, so it's almost certainly just the date and time of filming).
 * October 5, 2017.
 * Very clearly shown, though some in-universe possibility of mistake if the phone is programmed wrong, as well as no explicit and direct year given. Score: 7/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 10: The Rands are referred to, suggesting Danny Rand is back in the world. This would work for anything after February 2016, when Danny returns.
 * February 2016-February 2018 (the latest any evidence would place the show). Roughly February 2017.
 * Direct dialogue, though has a little leniency if you assume he is referring to Rand Enterprises rather than the Rand family. But he does specifically say "Rands". Score: 8/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 10: Mardi Gras is shown, cementing the February placement. It has been a little while, at least several days, since the basketball state final. The basketball state finals in Louisiana are traditionally held in early March, but Mardi Gras in 2015 was February 17th, in 2016 was February 9th, in 2017 was February 28th, and in 2018 was February 13th. While none of these work perfectly, the later that Mardi Gras is, the better - with the state finals only having to be moved back in the timeline a week or two, as opposed to a month or even more. And 2017 stands out as by far the closest.
 * February 2017.
 * Hard one to score because it's not a direct piece of evidence, but I'd say it's reasonably strong. Score: 6.5/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 5: An obituary for Fuchs says, "Fuchs, aged 32, passed away on February 11, 2018."
 * February 2018.
 * Small but legible. Score: 5.5/10.
 * Billy's date of birth → The accident
 * Season 1, Episode 4: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
 * Small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5.5/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 3: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
 * Very small but just about legible when zoomed in. Score: 4/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 4: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * 17.0-17.99 years. Roughly 17.5 years.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Tyrone's date of birth → The accident
 * Season 1, Episode 4: Tyrone says he was "8". There is a tiny bit of leniency in the dialogue but not much.
 * 8.0-8.99 years. Roughly 8.5 years.
 * Direct dialogue with a tiny bit of leniency. Score: 8/10.
 * Tyrone's date of birth → Present day events
 * Season 1, Episode 2: It is said that Tyrone has known Father Delgado for 3 years, and bringing in a little context of it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago.
 * 16.4-17.4 years. Roughly 16.9 years.
 * Slightly unclear dialogue. Score: 7/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 4: It is shown on a poster that Tyrone is 18. So just over 8 months earlier, in Season 1, would be 17.3-18.3 years ago.
 * 17.3-18.3 years. Roughly 17.8 years.
 * Very small but still legible when zoomed in. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 4: It is said that Tyrone is 18. So just over 8 months earlier, in Season 1, would be 17.3-18.3 years ago.
 * 17.3-18.3 years. Roughly 17.8 years.
 * Explicit dialogue. Score: 9/10.
 * The accident → Present day events
 * Season 1, Episodes 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10: All these episodes say it's been "8 years". I would list all the times if I were about to do a big maths thing with the contradictory evidence, but the most important thing is Episode 8, where it is clearly established that it is the 8-year anniversary. Therefore it is exactly and firmly 8.0 years.
 * 8.0 years.
 * No denying or bending it.

I don't see a point in doing the calculations like with Phase One, considering the anniversary piece of information. Usually, I would calculate everything - the evidence for the placement of the dates of birth, the accident, and the present day events, and then the gaps between them, to find the best possible solution to best fit all the evidence. But the 8 years isn't flexible, it's absolute and exact. So we're not weighing up the accident and the present day events as individual pieces, but as joined. We are weighing up: And seeing which pair comes out as the strongest. So I'll lay it out now differently: So:
 * The total evidence for Feb 2007 + the total evidence for Feb 2015
 * The total evidence for Feb 2008 + the total evidence for Feb 2016
 * The total evidence for Feb 2009 + the total evidence for Feb 2017
 * The total evidence for Feb 2010 + the total evidence for Feb 2018
 * The date of the accident:
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Nathan Bowen's work ID is valid from "30MAR08" to "29MAR10". The two Februarys in these gaps are 2009 and 2010.
 * February 2009. Score: 5/10.
 * February 2010. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: "2007-04-18". This does not work with any February. It is closest to February 2007. However, in-universe, it is more likely to be February 2008, because the date on the camera being wrong is more likely to give a date in the past than the future. 50:50 split.
 * February 2007. Original score: 8/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 4/10. 4/10 split 50:50 between 2007 and 2008. Score: 2/10.
 * February 2008. Same reasoning. Score: 2/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2: Adina's vision shows the "missing" dates of her children as being "6/6/08". The closest February is 2008, and this would make sense, for her to still be very anxious about a second child dying 4 months later, and the 6/6/08 actually being the date of her anxiety rather than the date of Billy's death.
 * February 2008. Original score: 3.5/10, but definitely not the actual date since it doesn't fit as being February, so 1.75/10. Score: 1.75/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2 + Season 1, Episode 4: In Season 1, Episode 2, Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either. In Season 1, Episode 4, Tyrone says he was "8". If his birthday is indeed August 19, 2000, then the February where he's 8 would be February 2009.
 * February 2009. Original scores: 2.5 and 8/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information. Score: 2.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4 + Season 1, Episode 5 + Season 2, Episode 3 + Season 2, Episode 4: In Season 1, Episode 4 and Season 2, Episodes 3 and 4, an obituary says Billy was born "August 1, 1990" and that he died aged "17". The "17" part is reaffirmed in Season 1, Episode 5. The February where Billy would have been 17 was February 2008.
 * February 2008. Original scores: 5, 5, 5.5, 4, and 5/10. In combination, this adds up to a bigger score, about a 7.5. Score: 7.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." This definitely works as February 2009 and possibly works as February 2008.
 * February 2008. Original score: 4/10. Works about 25% with February 2008, so 25% score. Score: 1/10.
 * February 2009. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2009, so full score. Score: 4/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: The oil rig schematics were revised on what seems to be "9/10/2008", suggesting the accident was after September 10, 2008. This definitely works as February 2009 or February 2010.
 * February 2009. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2009, so full score. Score: 4/10.
 * February 2010. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2010, so full score. Score: 4/10.
 * The date of the present day events:
 * Jeph Loeb's statement: He stated on Reddit that for the most part, shows released before Avengers 4 will still be set before Avengers: Infinity War. At SDCC, he added that this will be the case unless otherwise specified. Therefore, it is before Spring 2018, when Avengers: Infinity War takes place. Since Season 2, Part 1 also came out in this period and is set 8 months later, then Season 1 cannot be after October 2017.
 * February 2015. Original score: 7/10. Works fully with February 2015, so full score. Score: 7/10.
 * February 2016. Original score: 7/10. Works fully with February 2016, so full score. Score: 7/10.
 * February 2017. Original score: 7/10. Works fully with February 2017, so full score. Score: 7/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 8 + Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 + Emma Lahana's statement: Emma Lahana says this is O'Reilly's first case in New Orleans. We are told in Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 8 that O'Reilly moved to New Orleans, likely after The Defenders: Season 1. Should be between May 2016 and August 2017, where the only February is 2017. Fully works with 2017. Could just about work with 2016 if we assume Nandi is just reminding her that O'Reilly left a few months prior to her leaving. Has a small chance of working in 2018 if Lahana's comment is fudged a little.
 * February 2016. Original score: 7/10. Works about 33.3% with February 2016, so 33.3% score. Score: 2.33/10.
 * February 2017. Original score: 7/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 7/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 7/10. Works about 16.7% with February 2018, so 16.7% score. Score: 1.17/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Lush Life by Leo Islo plays in-universe. This song was put online on March 27, 2017, so the only possible February is 2018.
 * February 2018. Original score: 3.5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 3.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Right Now by Vindata plays in-universe. This song was put online on February 22, 2017. Sadly, this is just a few days too late to fit with February 2017, since this is in Episode 1 and Episode 10 would be February 28, 2017, and the season spans more than 6 days.
 * February 2018. Original score: 3.5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 3.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: The taxi Tyrone pulls up has an "11 17" registration sticker. This would suggest it's February 2017, if it's a 1-year sticker. It could be a 2-year sticker and February 2016.
 * February 2016. Original score: 5/10. Works about 75% with February 2016, so 75% score. Score: 3.75/10.
 * February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Tyrone has a leaflet for "FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 1st Saturday in May - May 6, 2017". This means it's at least January 2017, and likely before May 2017, though could be after if he just left it up.
 * February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 5/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 5/10. Works about 50% with February 2018, so 50% score. Score: 2.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 1: Tyrone and Evita's iPhones seem to be pretty current - like one of the more recent ones at the time of filming in early 2017. But I don't know if it's possible to be 2016 or even 2015 from the phones and iOS shown.
 * February 2015. Original score: 4/10. I'm about 50% sure it works with February 2015, so for now at least, 50% score. Score: 2/10.
 * February 2016. Original score: 4/10. I'm about 75% sure it works with February 2016, so for now at least, 75% score. Score: 3/10.
 * February 2017. Original score: 4/10. I'm pretty sure, since they had filmed most of the season by September 2017 when the next batch of iPhones came out, that it works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 4/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 4/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 4/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2: It is said that Tyrone has known Father Delgado for 3 years, and bringing in a little context of it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago. Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either. Assuming his date of birth is indeed August 19, 2000, the February in which he's a junior would be February 2017.
 * February 2017. Original scores: 2.5 and 7.5/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information. Score: 2.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2: Adina Johnson has the book Grief Cottage, released August 2017.
 * February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works about 12.5% with February 2017 as it's just about believable it could've released 6 months early in the MCU, so 12.5% score. Score: 0.625/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 2 + Season 2, Episode 4: In Season 1, Episode 2, Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either. In Season 2, Episode 4, Tyrone's poster says he's 18 and then he is stated to be 18. If his birthday is indeed August 19, 2000, then the October where he's 18 would be October 2018, so Season 1 would be February 2018.
 * February 2018. Original scores: 2.5 and 9/10. To work together, this piece of evidence is reliant on the least reliable piece of information, 2.5. Slight bonus from the strength of the "18" coming up twice. Score: 3/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4: A poster is up for an event on "Friday, Jan. 30", suggesting it's 2015 and that recently happened (since February 2015 is the earlier possible), but it could just be a much older poster left up for commemorative reasons.
 * February 2015. Score: 4.5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 4: A magazine says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017," suggesting it is currently February 2017.
 * February 2017. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2017 so full score. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: O'Reilly looks at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about 8 years ago", and the files on screen are from "02/18/2010", suggesting this is February 2018.
 * February 2018. Original score: 5/10. Works fully with February 2018 so full score. Score: 5/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 5: The news from "hours ago" is real life news stories from September 2017. This does not work for any February, though if it has to suggest one it would be February 2018, because not only is it closer to February 2018, but at least in February 2018 those stories have happened and there could just be something wrong with the timings on the articles.
 * February 2018. Original score: 5/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 2.5/10. Works about 25% with February 2018, so 25% score. Score: 0.63/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 6: The "STANMAN" license plate says "18". License plates have to be renewed every 2 years, so an 18 plate could expire at any point in 2018. If the expiry date is January or February 2018, then February 2016 works, so it has about a 2 in 12, 16.7% chance of working for 2016. No matter the expiry date, it will work for 2017. If the expiry date is in March-December 2018, then February 2018 works, so it has about a 10 in 12, 83.3% chance of working for 2018.
 * February 2016. Original score: 5.5/10. Works about 16.7% with February 2016, so 16.7% score. Score: 0.92/10.
 * February 2017. Original score: 5.5/10. Works fully with February 2017, so full score. Score: 5.5/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 5.5/10. Works about 83.3% with February 2018, so 83.3% score. Score: 4.58/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 8: Tyrone's phone says "Thursday, October 5". October 5th was a Thursday in 2017, and the day of filming. This does not work for any February, though if it has to suggest one it would be February 2018, because not only is it closer to February 2018, but it is more likely if the phone has the wrong date that it would be a past date, not a future one.
 * February 2018. Original score: 7/10, but definitely incorrect since it doesn't fit as being February, so 3.5/10. Works about 25% with February 2018, so 25% score. Score: 0.88/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 10: The Rands are referred to, suggesting Danny Rand is back in the world. This would work for anything after February 2016, when Danny returns. However, February 2016 does not actually fit, because Mardi Gras occurred early in 2016, before mid-February when Danny revealed himself to still be alive.
 * February 2017. Original score: 8/10. Works fully with February 2017, so full score. Score: 8/10.
 * February 2018. Original score: 8/10. Works fully with February 2018, so full score. Score: 8/10.
 * Season 1, Episode 10: Mardi Gras is shown, and 2017 is the only year where it is late enough to really work with the basketball season - February 28th.
 * February 2017. Original score: 6.5/10. Works about 75% with February 2017, so 75% score. Score: 4.88/10.
 * Season 2, Episode 5: An obituary for Fuchs says, "Fuchs, aged 32, passed away on February 11, 2018."
 * February 2018. Score: 5.5/10.
 * 2007 = 2.
 * 2015 = 7 + 2 + 4.5 = 13.5.
 * 2007 and 2015 = 2 + 13.5 = 15.5.
 * 2008 = 2 + 1.75 + 7.5 + 1 = 12.25.
 * 2016 = 7 + 2.33 + 3.75 + 3 + 0.92 = 17.
 * 2008 and 2016 = 12.25 + 17 = 29.25.
 * 2009 = 5 + 2.5 + 4 + 4 = 15.5.
 * 2017 = 7 + 7 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 2.5 + 0.625 + 5 + 5.5 + 8 + 4.88 = 54.505.
 * 2009 and 2017 = 15.5 + 54.505 = 70.005.
 * 2010 = 5 + 4 = 9.
 * 2018 = 1.17 + 3.5 + 3.5 + 2.5 + 4 + 5 + 3 + 5 + 0.63 + 4.58 + 0.88 + 8 + 5.5 = 47.26.
 * 2010 and 2018 = 9 + 47.26 = 56.26.

2009 and 2017 comes out as the strongest option, so yeah, the more complicated system wasn't necessary. At some point down the line I'll do it in full with the complex maths, but for now, this clearly shows the best result.

Some other quick things worth mentioning: Mrmichaelt wrote: Well done, as always. Thank you.
 * Tyrone's line about being 8 at the time of the accident is pretty clear, but has a tiny bit of leniency. "My parents look at me like a liar and a thief ever since I was 8. They don't trust me. Not really. You know, ever since that night." Whereas he's completely explicitly 18 in Season 2, Episode 4. So I reckon we can say Tyrone's date of birth is October 1999, and he had recently turned 9 at the time of the accident, so they started to not trust him actually about 4 months before the accident.
 * Tandy being 9 on the day Roxxon came to her house to ransack it means she was born between February 1999 and February 2000 (likely closer to 1999 considering Olivia Holt's age).
 * Billy has been shown to be 17 one more time than he's been shown to be born August 1, 1990, so that takes precedent. Born August 1, 1991 and 17 when he died.
 * Fuchs was 32 so born between February 1984 and February 1985.

Annoyingly, Episode 6 (I'm up-to-date now) also has Andre say Season 1 was "last year". When Adina said it, I was willing to pass it off as "last academic year" since Tyrone was, until recently in school, but it doesn't make sense at all in the context of Andre and Tandy.

There's no bending things to make it work. There's no possible gaps, especially not months' worth, and the show is explicitly 8 months after Mardi Gras. It's just mistakes, no other way about it.

This show has no care for its timeline, it's so frustrating.

On the plus side, they canonically mention Tyrone as being 9 at the time of the accident. I mentioned before, and in the message above, how there's a line in Season 1, Episode 4 that all-but says Tyrone was 8 at the time of the accident, and I'm sure that was the intention - it just happens to, due to the wording, come with a tiny bit of leniency. I mention in the message above that since he's explicitly, directly said to be 18 in Season 2 and this is incompatible with him being 8 at the time of the accident, we have to assume he's just turned 18 in Season 2 and therefore was 9 years, 4 months old at the time of the accident - his parents just started to not trust him a few months before the time of the accident. Now we don't have to assume, because the show has directly stated him as being 9, basically confirming this.

So we know for sure that Tyrone was born between February 1999 and October 1999, and should most likely be October 1999 to fit as best as possible with that "8" line.