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Zippertrain85 wrote:

Greater good wrote:

Zippertrain85 wrote:

AllTimeBlow wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if X-Men will not be incorporated into MCU in the next decade, Fox's X-Men franchise has been reinvigorated since the release of X-Men: Days of Future Past and now they'll have Deadpool movie which fans has been waiting. I think Fox has been doing good with the X-Men cannon for now let's just hope this next X-Men movie will be as good as the last one and Deadpool will be enjoyable like Ant-Man. Disagree, with the losing of not just Wolverine but most of their cast's contracts expiring and Ryan Reynolds confirming he does not have an interest in returning after Wolverine 3 in 2017, the X-Men franchise is going to have to be reboot.

But Fox's best chance for successfully rebooting is with Marvel Studios support, since the superhero market is getting to the point where there's huge competition from Marvel and DC, which Fox starting over might not be able to squeeze into. I mean, be realistic, once the DCEU is established and the MCU gets deep into Phase 3 do you really think Fox with one franchise will be able to keep up? It's just very unlikely, especially considering this year Fox's financial losses that were linked to the Fantastic Four failure's, just imagine how badly an X-Men movie that slips up would be.

With Marvel Studios they could still keep the rights (ala Sony deal), but have the support of Marvel and it's other properties so the series is keep going, Fox makes profits, and the MCU gets all it's characters, it's win-win. Granted, none of this would happen until atleast after early 2017.

People used to think Spider-Man would never come to the MCU because of how profitable the character was, and that Sony was making a new universe for him, but look how that turned out. If Spidey cannot resist the MCU, why would X-Men be some glaring exception? They're completely different situations, dude. The only reason Sony even considered making a deal is because their financial siuation is a mess, while Fox are one of the most profitable companies on the planet and are raking in the cash. If Sony were doing alright financially, they would be hard at work on Sinister Six and The Amazing Spider-Man 3 right now and Marvel would be soldiering without Spidey.

So while Fox are still making lots of money, Marvel will NEVER get the X-Men back. Fantastic Four is looking much more likely, since the reboot was a critical and financial failure and the sequel has been removed from their release schedule. Fox is not having an excellent year, they already suffered a failure in the Fantastic Four reboot. Read this http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/11/rupert-murdoch-blames-fantastic-four-for-foxs-drop-in-earnings.html

Them & Columbia Pictures are not that different. I don't know why you guys act like they're some completely unstoppable beast. Sony used to be doing great too, Fox level, and came down due to (as you said) financial issues.

And about the money, even though the series is still somewhat profitable it isn't Avengers level, which is what is considered the standard for big superhero flicks. There biggest crossover X-Men: Days of Future Past made 500 mil worldwide. A good amount, but Avengers made a billion dollars more, hell Ant-Man made that much worldwide. How can Fox with that franchise compete with Disney and WB who will likely be making Avengers-style movies for the forseeable future? But Fox can make that much and more if they team up with Disney and still keep the rights. Avengers vs X-Men, Wolverine vs Hulk, those could easily make more than DoFP (Maybe even Avengers). Any X-Men style film with MCU backing could make there already high numbers grow to Avengers-level.

Tell me, after a lot of their core cast that made the series so popular (Hugh Jackman, James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence, Ryan Reynolds, etc) contracts expiring post Wolverine 3 in 2017 (or they simply wish to retire characters in Jackman and Reynolds' case), do you think it would be easy for Fox to completely re-build their canon while at the same time competing with the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes?

Just think about it. First of all, X-Men: Days of Future Past did not only make $500 million, it made almost $750 million. It made a lot more than Ant-Man and it also made more than Captain America: The Winter Soldier and all of the MCU's Phase One movies except for The Avengers.

Fox have also had huge success with the recent Planet of the Apes movies, the Ice Age franchise, Avatar, the Kung Fu Panda franchise, The Martian, Spy, Kingsman: The Secret Service, Gone Girl and the How To Train Your Dragon movies and The Chronicles of Narnia franchise. They also own lots of really popular TV shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy, Glee, How I Met Your Mother, Modern Family and ''Empire. ''What was the biggest earning studio of last year? That's right, Fox:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-breaks-industry-record-global-761129

Compare that to Sony, who outside of Spider-Man only have three big franchises; James Bond, Jump Street and Men in Black.