Thread:Rodangizzardcrusher3/@comment-26687285-20160822213306/@comment-26687285-20160830233225

Like i said, that's what i'm hoping for, but only if they actually have a good story to tell with them and it's not done just to appease the fans. After all, what's the point in separating the new series from the "EU" lore if you're just going to then turn around and try to recycle all of it's storylines, characters, and plotpoints?.

This is actually one of the many problems facing big franchises today. Too often popular books and movies either show an unwillingness to take risks or try to undo the creative changes they've made in earlier installments. Take the Star Trek reboot franchise. In the first film they freaking erase Vulcan from existence!. A really ballsy and dramatic twist as well as a welcome change in the formula. It's an emotional gutpunch for the fans, and perfectly sets this new series apart from the one we know. Spock Prime is also very logically (pun intended) used in the story, as well as given a great send-off. It basically tells us that anything can happen, and nothing is certain anymore, thus allowing the new movies to go in any direction they want. But what do we get in the sequel?, a flashier, watered-down version of "Wrath of Khan", with (almost) none of the intelect or maturity which made that film so great.

And as if that wasn't lame enough, they try to recycle the "dying to save the ship" scenario, only with Kirk being the one that dies, without even having the guts to actually kill him off!. I've ranted about his with regards to MCU, but sadly, they're not the only franchise which has gained the habbit of reverse engeneering every character death in their movies. "cough!" BvS "cough!". My problem isn't that they automatically brought in Khan for the second film in the new series, when they could've gone any number of ways, or that story is basically a retread of the other Khan stories, or even that they tried to re-do the "saying goodbye" scene between Kirk and Spock. My problem is that that's ALL they did. They didn't add anything to it or change things around to explore the story's ideas in a new way. They just showed us a "WoK" greatest hits compilation and undid all of the impact that this story might have had on the series, in order to maintain the status-quo. :/

Now what if, instead of Kirk baing revived 15 minutes after his death scene, they had done something similar to the first movie and gone in an unexpected direction?. What if Jim had stayed dead?. What if Spock had lost the fight in San Fransisco and Khan had gotten away with the torpedos?. I could have forgiven most, if not all, of the film's problems (the intrusive fan-service, dragging Nimoy back for an uncessecary cameo, not really using Carol Marcus, etc) if they had only had the stones to do something new with it all. How refreshing would it have been to have the movie end with the crew (now led by Spock) preparing to go after Khan and his minions and the promise of an all out battle between a rogue Enterprise crew and the Botany Bay super-soldiers in the next film!?.

That's one of the few things about that movie that really left me kind of crushed.

P.S. This video by sfdebris pretty much sums up what i mean:

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