Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-26838855-20170701032609/@comment-26838855-20170706002102

Alright, so this is the timeline of the film, ignoring the timeline errors:

I'll add in the texts later tonight Some slight adjustments, but now very final dates for Civil War. The beginning of the film, which is 8th September I'm 95% sure, is "2 months" after Peter is dropped back home. Civil War has to be June 2016 because of WHiH and then "last month" and "1 month later". But that's fine, if it's late June then it's 74 days, just under 2.5 months so it rounds to two. It can't be July, because New York high schools (two sources here, 1 and 2) broke up on June 28th. So that's cool. And Tony says Peter was gone for "the weekend" so he'd have taken him on Friday evening, and I guess he's dropping him off in the early hours of Monday before school to coincide with that report of it being "48 hours" after the airport clash, and the way the timings and time zones worked out in Civil War. So we have DEFINITIVE dates for Civil War! Peter is picked up on Friday 24th June, the airport battle is Saturday 25th, he returns early hours of Monday 27th. This fits perfectly, rounded 2 months to September 8th, makes sense that Peter's coming home from school and also that he has homework (he still has a couple of days left of term). I would like to do the moving of the dates myself if that's alright.
 * April 15, 1984 (I believe, might have misremembered) - Aaron Davis is born.
 * September 1, 1998-August 31, 1999 - Liz is born.
 * September 27, 2000-June 23, 2001 - Peter born (c. February 2001).
 * September 1, 2000-August 31, 2001 - Ned, Flash, Michelle, and Betty are born (c. March 2001).
 * 2008 - Happy starts keeping something in his pocket I won't spoil.
 * May 5, 2012 - Toomes cleans up the Battle of New York. It's the day after, because his child has drawn him a picture of the Avengers and he's taken it to work with him, and a colleague says he's turning up now, late, because his alarm didn't go off, so it's morning - not the same afternoon, but the morning after.
 * May 2012 (soon post-Avengers) - Cap video.

This will make changes to AoS as well but not too significant. So continuing on, with 2016:
 * January 22nd-24th --> January 29th-31st
 * March 8th-17th --> March 15th-24th
 * March 28th-29th --> April 4th-5th (this could be great for Defenders if it's a month after Iron Fist)
 * June 4th-16th --> 19th-July 1st
 * July 2016-March 2017 --> Minor changes to some of the in between seasons AoS dates, I'll work on those then edit them in here
 * Thursday 8th September - "Two months later." Grand theft bicycle. Queens bank.
 * Friday 9th September - Party. The day after the decathlon, on the 15th, Peter says this was "last Friday."
 * Monday 12th September - Tracking device.
 * Tuesday 13th - Rejoining the team. Swimming. D.O.D.C. facility.
 * Wednesday 14th - Decathlon. Date given clearly on-screen as "14th September".
 * Thursday 15th - Peter asks for the footage from the incident the night of the party, "last Friday."
 * Thursday 15th or Friday 16th, I can't remember, but I'm leaning towards Friday definitely - Ferry
 * Monday 19th - Peter and Liz. Liz says her focus was on the decathlon "last week" but now "this week" it's on the Homecoming dance.
 * Friday 23rd - Homecoming dance. this prop officially displayed at an event in Tokyo lines up perfectly, as it is the week after the decathlon (the 14th) and it would be on the Friday.
 * Monday 26th - Ending scenes of the film.

There's quite a few moments at the beginning of the film that might have had blink-and-you'll-miss-them dates, (I also remember seeing something on a poster dated as October but I assume it was only an upcoming event), but I didn't get a chance to catch a lot of them. But this seems all perfect above ^.

There is nothing to contradict Watch the Game being canon. The Audi commercial is 10000% not canon at least before this film as there is a scene where Peter attempts to drive and is terrible.

Now for the complaints: The eight years. Well, it's a blunder and it shouldn't affect the timeline because there's an overwhelming amount of evidence against it. There is some very far-fetched ways I found of just about reconciling it, but they're not really feasible. Still: Really though, it's just wrong on every level. I think there is two potential explanations for this. Either: Or I just want to point out that I'm not pinning this all on Eric Carroll because we don't know the exact details behind what's been going on, but I can really see that timeline being the case, with the divide between Marvel films and TV. But if that's the case I'm furious. That is like a really casual fan on some message board saying all of that instead of someone who's actually given it any more than 10 minutes' thought. If this is the timeline Marvel films continue to follow I'm out, that is years of work scrapped and I hate it. I hope enough people complain that they fess up to this as an error and sort things out. If any more films start following this I am going to give up completely on all of this because it's an unbelievably ridiculous move ignoring all the evidence and all your TV shows and throwing out everyone's work. YOU LITERALLY HAVE GOOD TIMELINES HERE AND ACROSS THE INTERNET (even if I'd say the others aren't quite as well-thought-through as this one (psych, Comic Board got Civil War wrong and we got it almost completely right ;) )), USE THOSE. DO YOUR RESEARCH. JUST USE THOSE TIMELINES, THE TV SIDE OF THINGS SEEMS TO. This worries me and I hope they sort this out because it's by far the most unacceptable error in the MCU ever.
 * "8 years later". EIGHT YEARS. ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDDING ME??? WHY.
 * Aaron's birthday is briefly shown, if I remember correctly, as March or April 1984, and he is said to be "33", putting this incorrectly in 2017, but that's a standard error we can overlook, maybe K.A.R.E.N. has the wrong current date programmed into her so she thinks we're in 2017 so says he's "33".
 * "8 years and not a word from the feds or Stark and now this bastard in red tights shows up" something along those lines. EIGHT YEARS. GO AWAY WHOEVER DID THIS I HATE YOU.
 * There is a point when Ned is using a computer and it says the software is the 2017 edition. However, this can be forgiven - some software's "2017 edition" is likely to have come out in late 2016.
 * Happy mentions something he's done since 2008, and the implication is that it's since Iron Man 2, but it absolutely doesn't have to be. I don't want to talk about it because it's a big spoiler but this is easily explained away.
 * The film shows the 2012 scene and then cuts to "8 years later" directly to that " A film by Peter Parker" shot from the 4 minutes they released the other day. It cuts to Peter's homemade film of his time in Civil War. The very far-fetched way of explaining it I find is that it's cutting to an in-universe video (how it's presented), and it's from the point of view of when the video was put together by Peter. If Peter only ever got around to cutting the video together in 2020 as a memory video, then "8 years later" that film plays, then we cut back to the film playing normally when he's speaking to Tony in the car, just how the film presents it. Actually, come to think of it, it might not cut directly to that, I think there might be another scene with Vulture it cuts to. Damn, there's literally no explaining this.
 * And the "8 years" dialogue, well, maybe he means that he operated for 8 years before 2012 before D.O.D.C. got involved, and then he changes subject of his sentence to just refer to Peter getting involved. Again, makes very little sense but it's all I have.
 * Vulture's origin was supposed to originally go back to Damage Control's involvement in Iron Man 1 and so they wrote in that "8 years" dialogue, and then the decision was made for the "8 years later" card because of that dialogue.
 * Eric Carroll's "Marvel Timeline" is based solely on the films. Not even tie-in film props like Stark's birthday, or even the Marvel Timeline, but purely and entirely on the films. So he's gone:
 * Iron Man - "finishes May 2008, there's a prop saying that."
 * Iron Man 2/The Incredible Hulk/Thor - "6 months later, right so that's November 2008."
 * The Avengers - "says "last year" so 2009."
 * Thor: The Dark World - "says "2 years" so 2010."
 * Iron Man 3 - "says 13 years since 1999 so December 2012."
 * Captain America: The Winter Soldier - "says he's 95 and has a prop that puts this October 2013."
 * Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2 - "1988+26 and 1980+34 so 2014."
 * Avengers: Age of Ultron - "Just before Ant-Man and Sam's still looking for Bucky and they only did that for 2 years so 2015."
 * Ant-Man - "There's a prop that says October 2015."
 * Civil War - ""You've operated without supervision for 4 years" well, I mean that's clearly a reference to Avengers, the whole premise of this film is that they've never had supervision and that's a big deal but I can make it just be about S.H.I.E.L.D. falling, so 2013+4 is 2017. "In the eight years" since Iron Man, yeah, well those 8 years can be 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016. And then the dialogue about looking for the Winter Soldier for "2 years", well, for whatever reason despite the fact he's Steve's best friend who they swore to keep trying to find, they gave up after 2 years in 2015, doesn't make this 2 years
 * Doctor Strange - "I dunno, starts in 2016 because of the prop and is about a year, I'll tell Scott Derrickson it's early-to-mid Fall to mid-to-late Fall of the following year and he can pass that on in interviews."
 * Homecoming - "2 months later it's September 2017, great. So it's 8 years since Avengers."
 * Infinity War - "2018. Perfect!"
 * "Literally every other piece of evidence outside the basic ones in the films - I'm just gonna ignore them, everyone else will."

When I heard they had a timeline in place, and Jon Watts' statement that Peter was 8 lining up with my thoughts for Phase One, I thought "great! No more of these silly continuity errors from props and things!" By the way, that Jon Watts statement is right on but it contradicts the "8 years" itself, what, Peter was 15-8=7 during Avengers but he was 8 during Iron Man? Jon Watts seems to be on the money, whoever decided on 8 years wasn't. But anyway, yeah, now I'm worried. Hopefully they sort this stupid thing.

I do think it might be worth putting a small "timeline errors" section at the bottom of the pages for the errors relating to that year at some point in the near future. I can already hear the users dropping messages saying "there's a timeline mistake though, you have Avengers in 2012 and Homecoming in 2016 and that can't be right, there's 8 years between them!" coming, and how grumpy and frustrated that's going to make me (I like to think I'm friendly and tolerant most of the time!)