Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180706093255

OK, this is my second time going through all of this. Hopefully it will at least be a bit faster this time. A lot to address, but I'll do my best here, I want to address everything. Going to go through it all in order of posting.

If anyone wants to respond to a section, obviously it would be great if you could just quote that section in your response.

Right, here goes:

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Is it possible that the Game of Thrones' connection fits with the books? The books have gotten released before the TV Show. I had given a thought to that, but realised that no, it's not possible. By Season 7, the show was completely ahead of the books. The books have only gotten as far as Season 5-ish. So these events haven't yet happened in the book (and might not ever happen if things go differently in the books).

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah, it is great. Hm lets see my friend. Blog de Superheroes is a community which I first encountered back in 2013. I have been a part of it ever since, all the news are about superhero stuff and it is a likeable place to share with others. Recently, during a period I left the blog until the begginning of this year, the Blog decided to open a new section: the users that wanted to contribute with articles and stuff could contact the blog via email, I was thinking about reaching to them. So when I was on vacation, on March, I decidedd to use the email and asked him to do multiple reports about the MCU Timeline, he told me that it was going to be a hard work but if I could hanlde it then they would help me with everything. I wrote the first article where I exposed everything from this article: Before 20th Century, I ommited several details because I had only 1200 words.

But I put some minor details to indicate the reader when was a movie set for example, when I started to talk about Hela, I put: "Until she got freed by 2017" or when I talked about Thor's film: "Until the events of Thor (2011) which takes place on 2010." The following articles I started from 1900s and that. All the details were explained on the article, and if someone had doubt I answered them on the comments section. I also have made a few details and added some of my personal thoughts for some dates. For example, I tried to be not exactly accurate about the placement for Hela and other stuff because those dates are based off calculations and it didn't give me the time to explain everything as it should be. Not being specific with dates that are just estimates is a good idea. It means that if/when changes are made to such dates, your articles don't suddenly become wrong.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Then, several articles started to arise and people started to claim nothing but praise. Here are some comments that I want to rescue. I have written over 27 articles, and 21 have already gotten published.

Those are some great comments, and it's encouraging and heartening to see them. I particularly like Batmanzarate89's comment about coordinating Marvel's timeline. Would make things so much easier...
 * The Beggining:
 * "Cinecomics: Superb, wonderful work, you sent yourself [my name], congratulations and waiting for the next compilation of the timeline 😀"
 * Rakunner (one of the greates fan of our work): "My congratulations [my name]!! 😉 At first I thought it was just a list of which film was first but I was wrong, very well written and explained, although many things I do not understand since I was not aware but I am glad that the rest of the story will continue this way, I want the second part! 😀"
 * Vision: "Thank you for taking the time and effort. It seems to me an incredible and well explained article. Many of the connections between Cinema and television had escaped me. Waiting for the next one with desire!"
 * Dhix: "This is the Marvel XD bible, good work [name]."
 * Emilioo: "The other day I saw a comment from you that you were preparing this and I was waiting with desire. I love these types of posts. Great job, tio!"
 * Killer Smile: "It's history, yo!"
 * Marvel-DC Universe: "How cool, man. "Mola" ("turns on" xD) a thousand and very well explained."
 * The Birth of a Legend:
 * Dr Kadok: "How much precision a great laburo (work) follows."
 * Post-War:
 * 2.0.1.6.: "Ah! So here is the famous chronology! What a hell of a job. The history of the MCU, you should think about editing it when you finish it and make a book with illustrations and all that"
 * Rakunner: "If he gets to do that I support him with the illustrations 😉"
 * Whampiry: "Incredible work yours. Thorough and detailed. I applaud you and the truth be told and I want to read the next installment [...]"
 * Batmanzarate89: "Simply awesome !! Very detailed! Comprehensive chronology! It has to become a book! Thank you very much for such a tremendous contribution!"
 * vicven: "Excellent chronology and great work brother. Congratulations. I cannot wait to continue reading the next installments !!"
 * The foundations of a new era:
 * Dex-Starr: "They should somehow try to contact Marvel and with their authorization, make a book with this collection with images and original sources, it would be a boom, I am sure. Good job."
 * Heisenber Soprano Underwood: "You work with these reports is simply impeccable. We realize that Marvel has neglected minor details such as dates in newspapers in the background or on televisions. Thing that thanks to this, we know what the incongruities are, his biggest mistake was in Homecoming. Great job."
 * A New Era:
 * Whampiry: "When you finish the chronology it is to edit it in pdf and to hang it, because such a work you are giving. I applaud you for the level of thoroughness and detail in your work"
 * vicven: "Spectacular! I applaud you, when you finish, it would be worth it to turn it into a book or something like that 😍 It's amazing."
 * AlejandroRPoloMereime: "Sincerely, it is spectacular, companion. An authentic achievement, even for me as I like the theme of chronology."
 * End of the 20th century - Part I
 * End of the 20th Century - Part II: It was in this article where I listed this blog User:Marvelous 345678/Inhumans, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five and Runaways (2017-2018) Timeline for the Inhumans past dates, in the article I sent I mentioned you but the admin decided to erase all the explanation for the maths-uses because the article had like 1250 words and it was harsh to publish for the website. The admin knows about you and I have mentioned you a couple of times but I cannot find this comments. Due to certain amount of spam, some comments gets deleted and so. Sorry, I am sure one of the comments where I mentioned you still there, however, YOU will have the recognition that YOU deserve.
 * vicven: "Every day more fascinated with this section. CONGRATULATIONS my pana !!"
 * A New Century:
 * 2.0.1.6.: "Tio, seriously. You are a big! I get excited with the way to fit everything with the hours and hours of data that we have been given since 2008. Puff, it is a pleasure to read such a detailed chronology. You deserve this to be published as a book for MCU's frikis"
 * Batmanzarate89: "Amazing! You should coordinate all Marvel productions from now on. Surely everything would be much more consistent .. Kevin Feige has to read this!"
 * The monster emerges
 * I am Iron Man.
 * Fury's Big Week:
 * A user named TARADOSCARAS presented to me its timeline for the MCU and it was based on the release order, I presented to him ours and he said: "I congratulate you and I greatly appreciate this dedication to such a monumental chronology. And in honor of so much detail, I will see everything from 2015 onwards, I think it will be even more enjoyable with your recommendation, all this until we get to avenger 4, thank you and congratulations again."
 * Batmanzarate89: "I am reading these articles with great enthusiasm, I love them. In fact, I wanted to edit all the series and movies in this order that you propose, cutting out each event and putting it chronologically, although it is a titanic task, I think it would be another way to enjoy the ucm in .. some .. 300hours of MCU."
 * The Road to the Avengers!
 * The Battle of New York (2012):
 * Jimmy13: "By force we must obviate the data provided by Fury (in the Avengers) directly to maintain a correct timeline. [...] I think that so far I have not been able to thank you and congratulate you for the tremendous work you are doing. Really, the level of research is incredible. Take it easy that maybe your head explodes a little ... Well, seeing how you've done everything for the best, that happened already xD"
 * If only he knew xD...
 * Rick: "You deserve a prize and those who help you put this chronology together. Excellent work you guys have."
 * Rogers: "As always, an excellent job! We can see that Marvel has very neglected the chronology and it must cost you a lot to organize the dates, my respects 😀"
 * After the Battle of New York:
 * Marvelto, even though he believes the MCU is totally disconnected: "What a work you have "stuck"... You deserve a round of applause [...]"
 * Azael: "Keep going, wow wow wow"
 * The New World:
 * Rakunner: "I still admire your work [...]"
 * Azael: "Every time I finish reading one of your reports I'm wanting more!"
 * The beginnings of the fall - Part I:
 * CdeflOw, the first one to bring up the Thor's age subject, he never responded: "Incredible work yours, impressive and impeccable. My congratulations"
 * Azael: "I need more of this!"
 * The fall starts - Part II:
 * Batmanzarate89: "I'm curious, is one person who takes this job? It seems that there is a research team of 40 people behind this. Awesome!!!"
 * Finally found one of the comments where I mentioned you, BEJT, do you remember when we decided to try to convince people that "8 years later" was wrong by our own methods? xD I told him that situation xD.
 * Azrael Rider: "In fact, I remember for the moment it seemed the most logical thing that the series will be around the year it was released, but hey, seeing the information given in Agents of Shield and subsequent films, it seems logical that the film falls in January 2014. Good job!"
 * The fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Part III
 * The War Begins
 * The Age of Miracles
 * Quest for the Orb

He also surprises me - people used to make chronological edits of the MCU back when there was only less than 30 or so hours. But most of them gave up by 2014 or so. Good luck to him😂!

TARADOSCARAS is a good example of positive effects we can have. Sometimes it can feel like there's an infinite number of people out there, and that incorrect assumptions and misconceptions have spread too far, and there's no stopping or fixing it. But when you think about it, and you narrow it down to just the MCU fans, and narrow it down further to just the ones who are interested in the timeline, it's a finite number. Sure, it's very high, but it's finite. And when people leave queries, questions, or make timeline mistakes, every time we correct them and keep educating people on the timeline, it does make a difference. That person knows better, and they might "pay it forward" and correct others. And the work on the wiki does get viewed, teaching some people correctly right from the beginning. And so we are making a change, even if it can seem small, we're affecting people's perceptions of the timeline for the better.

I do actually know your name, Marvelous. There's been a few times when I've watched a YouTube video with MCU timeline errors and looked into the comments to see what people are saying - I'm interested to see what public perceptions and understandings are when it comes to the timeline, even if it's so often frustrating - and I would see a Spanish-sounding name commenting every now and then with correct information, speaking like you, and referring the readers to the wiki. I suspected it was you, and then there was the Facebook album using our work, which I think you commented on as well, and now there's the articles. But hey, of course I won't disclose!

Hey, just a quick thing I've noticed, and thought you might be interested to learn. Your English is fantastic, but two minor mistakes I notice quite often that you might want to know about - you quite often misspell "beginning" and misuse "in" and "on". "Beginning" is spelt like that, not "beggining" - easy mistake to make. And then with "on" and "in":
 * "On" means, depending on the context:
 * "Atop of".
 * Examples:
 * "I sat on a chair."
 * "The plane landed on the runway."
 * A reference to a specific day or date.
 * Examples:
 * "On 6 July"/"on 6th July" (pronounced "on the sixth of July"), or "on July 6"/"on July 6th" (pronounced "on July the sixth").
 * "On Wednesday."
 * The location or item where some media is playing.
 * Examples:
 * "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is on TV tomorrow."
 * "Ant-Man and the Wasp is on at the cinema/theater."
 * "Music is playing on the radio."
 * The media platform where something can be found.
 * Examples:
 * "Marvel's Daredevil is on Netflix."
 * "You can find out on the Internet."
 * The opposite of "off", when a device is switched "on" its power is working.
 * Examples:
 * "I turned on the TV."
 * "In".
 * "Surrounded by". I would say "within"/"inside" but I guess those words are sort of reliant on the word "in".
 * Examples:
 * "I put the item in the box."
 * Among a location (a big location like a city or country, not a small location like a specific shop or something, for that you'd say "at") or a community.
 * Examples:
 * "I was in England."
 * "I was in London."
 * "In S.H.I.E.L.D., there used to be a "level" system for each agent's amount of experience and authority."
 * Pertaining to a topic.
 * Examples:
 * "In archaeology, you study human history and prehistory."
 * Talking about events that occur during a piece of media.
 * Examples:
 * "In Avengers: Infinity War, Captain America has a beard."
 * "In the book I just read, there's a character called Harry Potter."
 * Talking about something that happened or is happening during a certain year or month, or any more broad time period.
 * Examples:
 * "In 2018."
 * "In July 2018."
 * "In the past" or "in the present" or "in the future".

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Now I will answer your questions my friend!: I have a few questions to ask:

So you're planning on getting this PDF out around April/May 2019? Of course, that makes sense. I would recommend that you draw a cut-off point for which content will be in the book and which will not, and the perfect cut-off point is coming up at that point in time - the end of Phase Three. If you basically say, "This will include the timeline placements of all content released in the MCU before May 4, 2019" or whatever exact date, then you can find a sense of completion with the book as you hit a goal, and it covers a finite amount of information. You won't have to worry about trying to catch up as you go, and it's the perfect place to finish the book, with Marvel themselves even describing the end of Phase Three as the end of the first MCU "book".
 * 1) Nope, as you realize, the work here on the wikia is HUGE! Putting that into the book while more comics, TV Shows, movies and stuff (the MCU Official Timeline) it will be too difficult to add everything. I haven't even started the book because the timeline is in constant change, it would be crazy to start doing the book. I will probably start to make him post-Spider-Man: Far From Home (really guys, Holland needs to zip it! xD). I mean by that time everything will be put into order and the changes that will come eventually will have to be added. I will finish to publish all the articles regarding the timeline on the blog and then I will begin to do the other thing.

Also, the Tom Holland thing was intentional. They're joking about how he so often slips up with spoilers and this kind of thing, using it to actually reveal the title. There's a few giveaways: They're actually filming Far from Home not too far from where I live. Not near, but not too far away.
 * The video isn't just a random video, he's talking about ACE Comic-Con, and he's saying, "Oh sorry we've got nothing to reveal," joking, because he does.
 * He intentionally turns the tablet to face the screen for an abnormal amount of time to make sure we catch it.
 * This isn't a live stream video. This is a posted video, so he wouldn't have posted it without knowing there was such a blatant reveal.
 * It hasn't been taken down.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: When you say "the admin wants to publish the book"[...] Again, that's really great to hear about people correcting others from our work.
 * 1) The book thing didn't attract me until I started to see how well received were the articles on Facebook and Twitter (Blog de Superheroes has its own account and they publish every article they have on there), and even more people have reached to them, I have found a lot of people doing their timelines using OURS from the wikia and the blog. I was on a comment section with other guy and he corrected an user (mother language: Spanish) saying: Punisher takes place on November 2016 while Jessica Jones S2 on 2017, check on the wikia. That really got me, so I contacted the admin again and told him the idea about the book, my idea: write an article regarding the previous articles and explaining how the book was going to work and other stuff and leaving a way to download the book using the PDF format thanking the blog (of course) for the publication so it gets more recognition as well to mention all the ones involved in the making of our timeline, you, Elledy, Cirim, Explicit, Derksen, Bratpack and others and to mention this wikia all in PDF Format. He loved the idea. Of course, when I translate the book into an Englush version I was thinking on sending it to the Russos themslves and other web pages. If someone can do their own mistaken timeline, why cannot we?

With the posting of the PDF, that all sounds great, and a good way for people to access it.

Sending it to Marvel would be awesome, even if it's unlikely they'll have a look - you never know! Eric Carroll read the message I sent him a few months ago... Didn't respond, and who knows if he had a look at the article, but he did read the message.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: When you say "minimun of 1200 words" do you mean maximum 1200 words?[...] No need to apologise, of course! That makes sense, and yeah, editing it down yourself is more reliable as well because you get more control over the final article, instead of others editing it down.
 * Yes, sorry, it is because the articles with a minimun of 1200 words can get published easily but the ones with more than 1200 are too hard and dense to publish, I didn't want to bother the admin because he was allowing me to publish our work so I started to stay close to the 1200 words. I don't have authority to publish the articles myself, I just make everything on WORD and sent them via email. They get published and that, I cannot edit them for more than I wish.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I'm surprised you thought there was a dead period for content, it's felt pretty constant to me for the last year or so😂 Oh right, I didn't realise you hadn't been watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.!
 * 1) Yeah well hahaha, I haven't watched AoS since episode 10 of Season Five, I was just seeing some content from YouTube to help in here. I haven't had the time. xD sorry if I am not as helpful as I used to be.

Don't apologise for not doing as much work on here, look at me and how little I've managed to do of late! I obviously understand not having enough time in life, it's something I struggle with constantly. I never expect anything from any of the users - this is a hobby, not mandatory work, and every little edit is a bonus. I'd be a hypocrite to think otherwise!

Marvelous 345678 wrote: How's the book going to work? Is it verbatim copying of the wiki pages? Is it each point, but cut down? Is it copies of your articles, which are cut down versions? Does it omit smaller, less important details? I'm interested. Yeah, sorry, not quite comfortable being in contact outside of the wiki. But there are still ways to view it. There are sites - I can't remember exact examples, but I know there are some - where you can upload a file to an online cloud or site and password-protect it, and then anyone with a password can edit it. Or, simpler, would be just to upload drafts somewhere and I can perhaps proofread and give some editing tips. Just if you're interested, I'd love to do something like that for the project.
 * 1) As I cannot reach you outside of this wikia, I can't ask you for help when I start with the book. It is not like Elledy who I found on Facebook xD. Okay I was thinking for it to have the following structure:
 * Title: Marvel Cinematic Universe's Timeline: The First Decade
 * Introduction: Explaining how we began to work here on the wikia, giving thanks to Derksen, Bratpack and others for starting to make the years articles. Thanks to Blog de Superheroes for allowing to use its forum to publish the articles: a link to each article and stuff. Mention the ones who collaborate here on a big list.
 * Explanation: Explaining every process (in Spanish, then it will be tranlsated to English of course) for the making of the Timeline, explaining the dates, maths and stuff, when real time works and when it does not. Now that you are part of it, it would be a honor for me for you to write it. You are more qualified than me to build this section.
 * Then making a full-ish explanation for each installment on release order, explaining the pros-and-cons, an official placement, the analysis of the 2012 Timeline and the upcoming timeline and concluding: "As seen above, [this movie] is set around February 2017". After it gets all explained (by release order) then we will cut to:
 * Timeline. All the events in chronological order, with references listed in the bottom of the page. Pictures, paragraphs, references (APA Format, specially when it is about an article regarding a writer or director's comments). And I was thinking on adding a curiosity section. For example, when we are on December 2017: "Did you know that on Alex Wilder's room it can be seen some pez-dispenser of Iron Man, Spider-Man and Captain America?"
 * Conclusion. Thanking Kevin Feige and CIA.

When it comes to the title, I would say that the "'s" at the end of "Universe 's" isn't necessary. I'd also say that "The First Decade" has the potential to be a little bit confusing, because it's covering 11 years of content, and because you're using a time-related phrase while talking about the timeline, so the reader might think that this book only covers a decade of the timeline, rather than a real world decade's worth of content. If the line is being drawn at Phase Three, which I would recommend, maybe something like Marvel Cinematic Universe Timeline: Phases One to Three.

I would love to write the explanation section for you, absolutely.

When you say "a full-ish explanation for each installment on release order", what do you mean by "each installment"? Each film and each season of each show? Each film and then chunks of the shows? Each film and each individual episode? Other content such as web series and comics as well? Whatever the case though, sounds like my major project - which I look forward to getting back to properly very soon - could come in handy with that, seeing as I will be building detailed notes on every piece of canon content.

The structure of the book sounds perfect. And yeah, really like the idea of the curiosity section.

What do you mean "CIA"? I assume you don't mean the American Central Intelligence Agency😂.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Thank you for doing this, and the introduction, and for giving me recognition, and your compliments. That makes me proud of my work, and you should be proud too!
 * 1) No bro, thanks to you, I have already said, you are the big piece that puts this puzzle together. I know it is frustratinf for you to see how people talks bad about your work or how it gets ignored because the wikia has not such an impact for being FANDOM, so this is your reward. And you deserve more! I will ensure to make you the big head of the work, because I am not.

There could well be several small corrections, but I don't want to make your work retroactively incorrect. Is it possible to go back and make minor edits to your posted articles, to make some slight corrections if anything comes up, if you want to? And hopefully, if you're intending on finishing the PDF/book next year, then that won't cause problems for that, because the pages should be all cleaned up over the next few months. Is there any way in which I can help with this project? I'd be happy to, however I can with the time that I have.
 * 1) You can help of course! It is YOUR work, I have already told you how I got the articles published, I cannot edit them sadly. But on the final repor I will explain to the readers that as the timeline is in constant change some things have been moved and got changed and that. Also, I will tell them to make it viral and if they have a doubt they can reach me using the blog. That is it.

I love that you love the idea! Good luck on your exams! :D Well, as mentioned, not being precise when we're only estimating was a good idea, and should help with making sure the articles don't retroactively become incorrect.

An explanation that the timeline is in constant change is also a good idea. Helps again to make the book never become incorrect. That's also part of why I suggest a cut-off. With the cut-off point, the book can basically forever exist as "the best possible timeline for the Marvel Cinematic Universe as of May 2019". That way, it is a complete and finalised book with complete information for its time, with a disclaimer that its accuracy isn't fact or set in stone.

Thank you for the good luck message for my exams.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: On episode 4, Season Two, there is a reference to this event which happened on Decmeber 31, 2016. But I think something like it happened before this date. However, a 2017 placement could work if we exagerate with the stretching. How many times Ronda Rousey has been beaten up before December 31st 2016? I don't know how many times she lost before, but that was the main one. But a 2017 placement is looking very likely, so the reference should work fine. I'll go into the 2017 explanation properly in the next repsonse.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I've currently watched Luke Cage: Season 2 up to Episode 3. However, I've looked up what the people over on the Comic Board have noticed in order to see whether they've noticed something that hasn't been mentioned here yet.

They seem to be willing to assume (based on the dates on the magazine and Mariah's bank statement) that the show takes place in 2018 in the "fixed" timeline (i.e. post-Avengers 4).

However, this contradicts Jeph Loeb's statement that all of the currently announced shows will be pre-Infinity War, as well as the fact that Misty is still adjusting to life with only one arm, definitely suggesting that a lot less time than 2 years has passed since she lost it.

In Episode 2, right after the opening credits, Mariah uses the term "alternative facts", which, as mentioned previously, became a thing in January 2017.

In Episode 11, Misty mentions that today is the West Indian Parade (held on Labor Day), which is September 5 in 2016 and September 4 in 2017.

As such, Season 2 definitely takes place in August-September. Now we just have to figure out the year. 2017 could work, especially with the reference to Daenerys saying "bend the knee".

However, the fact that Misty still seems to be adjusting to having lost her arm suggests that it's August-September 2016. It's possible that it's been more than a year and she simply had a very long recovery period (both physically and mentally), but it certainly seems shorter than that.

Either way, it definitely has to be pre-snap. Yeah I've been following their discussion, although I've dropped off the last couple of days to avoid Luke Cage, Cloak & Dagger, and Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers and to focus on this chat.

I've just finished Episode 10, so haven't got to the West Indian Parade mention yet, but it's really helpful for definitive dates. It lines up as well with the "August 24th" train advert in Episode 3, as well as the time of filming and weather and it being after Game of Thrones: Season 7, and a few other things. I've been taking my detailed notes as I go to work out the exact dates of all the events of the season and collect all of the evidence.

The 2018 choice because of their approach, which is much more willing to go with contradictory props. They chose August-September 2018 based on the magazine which is seemingly "May/June 2018" and Mariah's bank statement, which shows the next statement to be "Sept 1, 2018", suggesting this is August 2018. They decided it overruled some other evidence, such as Shades' "1 18" registration sticker, but also have missed some things (at least last time I looked), like the Jamaicans' "2 18" sticker in Episode 9.

So, this is why I think it's 2017 - essentially, because it can't be 2016 and it can't be 2018, and 2017 is the best fit. August-September 2017 fits perfectly with the time of filming. It fits with almost all of the evidence. It's the earliest possible date that is still after all the pop culture references, the latest being Game of Thrones: Season 7 - basically, it's as close as possible to The Defenders: Season 1 while still fitting all the references. When I predicted the timeline placement, I predicted August 2017 - it's about as perfect a placement for the show as I could have hoped, frankly, fitting with all Marvel Netflix timeline patterns, and almost all of the evidence. It's the best compromise between the feeling of it being 2016 and the evidence of it being 2017-2018, and a jump of 15 months between Marvel Netflix seasons would just be weird, with 6 months being the biggest jump so far, between Jessica Jones: Season 1 and Daredevil: Season 2, and between The Defenders: Season 1 and The Punisher: Season 1.
 * Why it can't be 2016:
 * Ronda Rousey's December 2016 loss is mentioned.
 * In the August part of the season, Misty's "9 18" registration is shown. At most, it's a 2-year registration, which would mean it starts in September 2016, so it cannot be August 2016.
 * This Is Us is mentioned in the August part of the season. That show only premiered in September 2016, meaning it can't be August 2016.
 * Game of Thrones: Season 7 is referenced with "Bend the knee", and that wasn't until Summer 2017.
 * Foggy, Thembi, and Turk all appear, having appeared in Jessica Jones: Season 2. While Marvel do release their films out of chronological order, they never follow any characters out of order. When you see a character, it is always, for the character, after the last time we saw them. The only example of them not sticking to this is Tony Stark's cameo in The Incredible Hulk, which is set after Iron Man 2, but that film came out literally 6 weeks after Iron Man, I'm pretty sure they hadn't yet decided exactly how Iron Man 2 was going to work in relation to the cameo. I thought this rule might break with Ant-Man and/or Wasp and/or Captain Marvel in Infinity War, but no - apart from Hawkeye, the only missing heroes were the ones with films yet to come out that are set before Infinity War. So, because there's characters that carry over from Jessica Jones: Season 2, I just feel that automatically that means it has to be after Jessica Jones: Season 2.
 * All evidence points to 2017-2018. There is no actual evidence placing it in 2016, so while it might feel like 2016, it would be ignoring all of the evidence.
 * Why it can't be 2018:
 * It's just far too long since Season 1 and since The Defenders: Season 1. A year since The Defenders: Season 1 is already really pushing it, but is necessary - over 2 years is just impossible. Misty's still getting used to her arm being missing, Mariah's not seen Luke since he got out of prison, and there's also a feel of it not being long since Luke Cage: Season 1 with Scarfe's cases only just being kicked and Mariah and Shades having not acted much since Season 1, and a few other things. Almost 3 years is very unlikely.
 * Shades' registration sticker is "1 18", meaning it cannot be later than January 2018.
 * The Jamaicans have a "2 18" registration sticker, meaning it cannot be later than February 2018.
 * Future Netflix seasons will have to be set after this, with this definitely being before Daredevil: Season 3 and Iron Fist: Season 2, and most likely before The Punisher: Season 2. If this is August-September 2018, that pushes those seasons very late, and they will almost certainly have evidence placing themselves earlier than that - especially with it meaning that Matt would have had to be at the convent for over 2 years.
 * Loeb's comment would suggest this is pre-Infinity War. While he only says "for the most part", because Luke Cage: Season 2 being August-September 2018 would put this and Daredevil: Season 3 and Iron Fist: Season 2 and probably The Punisher: Season 2 (all likely releasing before Avengers 4) after Infinity War in the timeline, I don't think that can count as "for the most part".

Bussterj wrote: It looks a little closer to 2016 on watching on my 4K Xbox viewing i'll see if I can grab a photo That would be great, don't worry if you can't though. Recently there's been quite a few small prop dates and so I've mentioned this a few times, but there's some good HD screencap sites out there that often help with these kinds of blurry, small dates. They post HD images of what must be something like every half-second of each episode, and then you can zoom in and it's clearer and easier to distinguish. If you still can't make it out in their HD screencaps, it's probably not possible to be made out. However, it can take some time for these sites to post the galleries for each episode of these shows - anywhere between a few days and a few weeks. If this kind of thing comes up, I tend to keep a note of what percentage through the episode it is, then when the galleries are posted, I can use that to go to the right point and find it. So once those are up for Episode 1 (or Episode 5, when the same shot is shown again), I'll have a look there.

The Wikia Editor wrote: There's a reference to Cloak and Dagger in Episode 8, I really like it when the shows do that. Love it. I don't think there's been a reference in the Netflix shows to the other shows since Daredevil: Season 1 over 3 years ago, with St. Agnes' Orphanage and Crusher Creel.

And I've heard from you and others that they refer back to Luke Cage in Cloak & Dagger Episode 5, talking about O'Reilly's time in Harlem. Great coordination on the part of Marvel TV to line up the release/airing dates for the references.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: You may have probably heard about this xD. Mister Explicit put it on the Casual Thread section but I just gave it a proper look. For thos who doesn't know: A student made an exposition about Wakanda for his History class and the teacher bought it xD. When he was talking about the death of T'Chaka the date mentioned was "June 22nd", they got that from us!!! I saw a headline about the story a few days before Mister Explicit posted that. It was during exams though, so I didn't have time to watch. I'll add it to my YouTube Watch Later list though, sounds funny. And that's great! They must have gone on T'Chaka's page, which has the June 22, 2016 date on it - but that came specifically from our work. That's so cool! Seeing the influences we have even in small ways circle back to us in a viral video like this, that's awesome!

Elledy92 wrote: In I Get Physical, Misty Knight mentioned being 5 when Mike Tyson had his first big loss (refering to the 1990's match against Buster Douglas). That will imply that she was born around 1985. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Currently, we have Misty's birth date on March 1982. Ugh. So close! Oh well, it's good to have a more definite date.

Along with Mama Mabel's birthday happening in Episode 1 (giving us an August date for her birthday, just not a year to go with it), the spoilery new information we get in Episode 9 about Pistol Pete and the time leading up to his death, what you guys say further down about how apparently we get more definitive dates for Pistol Pete's death in the season, and the fact that my methods for non-contradictory evidence have improved since the first time of writing, I'll be sure to update my Luke Cage past dates blog soon and get the updated placements.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: "Thirty years ago, my mother dissapeared into the Quantum Realm..." "30 years" has come up a few times now - seems like it will be mentioned several times in the film. It works fine, 1987 to 2018. Needless to say it's not an issue that it's technically thirty-one, most people would just refer to 1987 as "30 years ago" because it's just simple rounding. This "30 years" is a lot more comfortable than Black Panther ' s "30 years" mentions.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Kevin Feige says that Ant-Man and the Wasp is indeed Two Years After Civil War and may connect with Infinity War somewhat 2 years since Civil War is good, placing it correctly in 2018, but there might be an issue with it, which I'll go into towards the end of this message.

MrRLopez wrote: Another confusing date. Billy' obituary says he was 17 and we can see the date August 1, 1996? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgQXPRpVMAADnC2.jpg:large The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm pretty sure it says "August 1, 1990", which is still technically incorrect, since it means that Billy was still 16 when he died on April 18, 2007. But it's possible that the writer of the newspaper was rounding his age up for the sake of convenience. I didn't actually miss this one, but I couldn't read it before and I had a tab open waiting for the HD screencap. But thanks to you MrRLopez and thanks to Bussterj, I don't need that now!

As Bussterj goes on to clarify, it's August 1, 1990. We can work with that. As The Wikia Editor points out, it's not consistent with him being 17 and dying on April 18, 2007 - if necessary, as he says, we can pass it off as the writer going, "Right, he was born in 1990, so 2007 - 1990 = 17, he was 17." However, it's looking like 2007 might no longer work for the accident, despite the clear security footage date. It's possible that him being born in August 1990 and being 17 years old will turn out to work. Of course I'll add these bits of evidence to the pile of contradictory Cloak & Dagger evidence, and I'll list what we have so far for Cloak & Dagger a bit further down.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Kevin Feige confirms [https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-avengers-4-trailers-are-going-to-have-a-weird-marke-1827106179 that Spider-Man: Far From Home eill take place on summer. Summer's vacation. We know. 2018] No junior year for Parker to see in the movies. Well, we got a tiny bit of Peter in junior year, in Infinity War.

I saw the comment when it came out. It's a bit strangely worded, I wonder what the context was for the way he spoke. And it's a bit odd because he had previously said he'd be going back to school after Avengers 4, to junior year. But sure, Summer 2018. I wouldn't worry yet about how that will line up with Infinity War being early 2018, because we don't know what point in the timeline Avengers 4 will finish at - it could be right where Infinity War ended, it could be a few days after, it could be months after. But also, with the Ant-Man and the Wasp problem that, again, I'll get into towards the end, it looks like Infinity War might have to be right at the end of term anyway.

Bussterj wrote: August 1st 1990! Thanks Bussterj! Really helpful to get such a clear version of the image. I've addressed the significance and implications of the date a bit further up the response.

Deadpooled123 wrote: If this is the case, Billy would be 16 years old as it would apply the same way if someone was born on the same day as him taken by a statistic as of April 18 2007. I don't understand your point because the show addressed his age perfectly in the prologue during the pilot episode of Cloak and Dagger. The Wikia Editor's not saying that someone born August 1990 who died in April 2007 should be labelled as "17" rather than the correct "16", but just coming up with a potential in-universe explanation for why the writer might have slipped up and made a mistake when they should have said "16". This kind of mistake happens reasonably often in the MCU, and sometimes you just have to settle for some less-than-ideal explanations.

However, as I've mentioned, it might end up that the accident can no longer be placed in 2007, because the evidence is stacking up against 2007 - despite the 2007 date being so clearly shown.

Also, the show never addressed Billy's age in the pilot. He just looked about 17, because the actor was 17. They never said or showed how old he was.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: @BEJT has a lot of messages to answer. 😂 BEJT wrote: I've been slowly coming back to continuing to type my response over the last few days, but more and more messages keep coming in. Marvelous 345678 wrote: It's okay bro. How are you? Have you started LC Season 2? I think you've got free time now. BEJT wrote: I'm good, thanks. Been catching up on sleep and recovering after a very intense 2 months or so with big exams, but it's over now. I've watched the first 4 episodes and rewatched the first 2 and taken my thorough notes for those 2. Give me a couple more days to organise my lists of things to do, get life a bit more sorted post-exams, and go through Luke Cage, and then I'll be back properly and able to do loads of stuff on here. Marvelous 345678 wrote: That is so good. I am sure you have had great grades! Hope to hear more about your opinions about the book. If you agree or something like that.

Also, I will make sure to help you to avoid some spoilers for Ant-Man and the Wasp Well, we'll see about the grades, we'll see. My further thoughts about the book have of course been listed above.

There is an idea I've had about how you might be able to help with me avoiding Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers. But I'll discuss that at the end of the message when I talk about the whole situation. Thanks for offering to help. It sucks that they've held the film back for a whole month here.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I haven't yet seen Episode 5 of Cloak and Dagger, but from what I've read, it seems that even more inconsistent dates have cropped up.

O'Reilly is seen looking at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about eight years ago", and the files on screen are from 2010-2011, with the last file she looks at being "2-22-2011". Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page mentions that the rig explosion happened in 2009.

On one hand, the rig explosion happening in 2009 and the show being set in 2017 would be more consistent with the in-universe music, the dates on Nathan Bowen's work ID and the 2017 date seen in the Roxxon magazine.

But, on the other hand, it contradicts the date seen on the security camera footage as well as Billy's date of birth seen on the newspaper.

Looking back on the dates seen on the milk cartons and assuming that April 18 is still correct, Tyrone would indeed have been 8 years old on April 18, 2009 if he was born 08/19/00.

Billy's date of birth is a lot more difficult to see and, looking closely at it, it's possible that it actually says 02/13/92, which would make him 17 years and 2 months old (exactly the same age as the actor playing him) at the time of his death.

Also, Tandy mentions that she was 9 at the time of the rig explosion and O'Reilly mentions doing drug busts in Harlem prior to moving to New Orleans, although no time frame is mentioned. Marvelous 345678 wrote: I think that this problems come because of the show shutting the main photography on early 2017 and then they continued shooting like several months later. I think that is the problem. The Wikia Editor wrote: It's possible, although the inconsistencies seem to occur haphazerdly throughout the episodes rather than being limited to just the first two.

Anyway, I've watched Episode 5 and noticed at least a couple timeline related tidbits.

The Roxxon Gulf website mentions that Vance Caruthers has 8 years' experience in the oil and gas industry, which is when he started working for Roxxon as an engineer. Gideon Green has won the company sponsored golf tournament every year for the past decade, the excerpt for the golf tournament on the Roxxon events page mentions that it's annual and was held "this week".

The excerpt for the gala page (before Tandy clicks on it) mentions that Roxxon Gulf had gathered on June 11th to celebrate the anniversary of the program. I initially thought that this was another timeline discrepancy, but since it's referred to in past tense, it seems to actually be referring to a previous gathering rather than the upcoming gala, which was later that night.

When O'Reilly is looking through old articles online (seen here), the right side of the screen features two articles of breaking news. The one at the top, dated "1 hour ago", reads "Court annuls Kenya presidential election" and the one below it, dated "2 hours ago", reads "People denied entry to US can reapply". Both of these events happened on September 1, 2017. This obviously conflicts with the February-March date we've been deducing so far (especially since basketball state finals always occur in early-to-mid March), so we could just end up dismissing it as referring to the time of filming like we did with the inconsistent dates in Jessica Jones: Season 2.

The article about Billy further affirms that he was 17. The most recent narcotics file visible on screen is dated "02/15/2010", but it seems possible that there could have been even earlier ones if O 'Reilly had scrolled a bit further up.

Peter Scarborough's wikipedia page states that his date of birth is unknown and, as mentioned before, it states that the oil rig exploded in 2009, although it's really blurry and hard to make out.

At the end of the episode, two dates are visible on the Roxxon oil rig schematics. It's upside down and kinda blurry, but the dates appear to be "8/19/2006" for when the schematics were originally made and "9/10/2008" for when they were revised. Given that the revision likely happened before the explosion, it places the event as having happened after September 10, 2008, which seems consistent with the 2009 date. Thank you for all these notes. I haven't yet watched Cloak & Dagger Episode 5, because I want to watch the episodes of MCU TV in the order they come out, and I still haven't finished Luke Cage: Season 2 yet.

Someone on The Comic Board pointed out that the Wikipedia page looks like it actually says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." So it doesn't necessarily place it in 2009, but suggests more like 2008-2009.

I don't think Billy's date of birth could really possibly say 92, it does look like 02. I think you just have to pass that off as part of Tyrone's mother's vision, with the height and weight listed on the side of the carton being that of a child, and the image being that of a child, and the date of birth just corresponding to all that - data representing a child, not Billy as he actually was.

I agree about the errors being seemingly haphazard. Although, while the evidence is still contradictory from Episode 2 onward, it's a bit closer together, all suggesting c. 2008, if not maybe 2009. The 2007 from the pilot does stick out as an outlier.

Do the mentions of "8 years" to do with Vance Caruthers and the articles have anything to do with it being 8 years since the accident, or are they just coincidental, different things which happened 8 years ago?

Does the golf tournament and/or the anniversary of the program have anything to do with placements of main events, or are they just extra notes?

And is there not a 2011 date in the files, then? Just 2010?

The news thing is interesting. It's still evidence, but I guess it will have to be chalked up to a filming date, because it can't be September 2017. I guess it adds to the February 2018 evidence, because at least that would make a little bit more sense, with the events at least having happened by then, but it still doesn't really make sense considering the stories are only from 1-2 hours prior. Thanks for the evidence with the plans as well.

When it comes to the contradictory mess of Cloak & Dagger, I think we're just going to have to wait it through. If, after the finale, it's still just as unclear, I'll do a maths-y process like with Phase One to find the best possible placement. There's no point doing all of that now, only to have to keep updating it or just scrap it altogether.

This is what we have so far:
 * Billy's date of birth:
 * Its own evidence:
 * Episode 4: Obituary says he was born "August 1, 1990".
 * In relation to the accident:
 * Episode 4: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * Episode 5: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * Tyrone's date of birth:
 * Its own evidence:
 * Episode 2: Tyrone's mother's vision shows his date of birth as "8/19/00", although Billy's is definitely not his real date of birth, so perhaps this isn't either.
 * In relation to the accident:
 * Episode 4: Tyrone says he was "8".
 * In relation to the present day events:
 * Episode 2: Tyrone says he has known the priest for 3 years, and with it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago.
 * The date of the accident:
 * Its own evidence:
 * Episode 1: Nathan Bowen's work ID is valid from "30MAR08" to "29MAR10", which would mean the accident occurred between those dates.
 * Episode 1: Security footage shown to the Johnsons the next day shows clearly that Tyrone stealing the radio, earlier in the night, was "2007-04-18". So it's April 18, 2007, contradicting the ID, but very clearly shown. Should be undeniable.
 * Episode 2: Tyrone's mother's vision shows the "missing" dates of her children as being "6/6/08". This can be explained away by the fact it's just a vision - perhaps that's the date on which she was having the anxieties, rather than the date Billy died.
 * Episode 5: Peter Scarborough's Wikipedia page says, "In 2009, after supervising the Roxxon cleanup effort in New Orleans following an oil rig explosion, Scarborough transitioned to a consulting position." This means it is no later than 2009, likely around 2008/2009.
 * Episode 5: The plans were revised on what seems to be "9/10/2008", suggesting the accident was after September 10, 2008.
 * In relation to Billy's date of birth:
 * Episode 4: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * Episode 5: Obituary says he was "17" when he died.
 * In relation to Tyrone's date of birth:
 * Episode 4: Tyrone says he was "8".
 * In relation to the present day events:
 * Episode 2: Said to be "8 years".
 * Episode 4: Said to be "8 years".
 * Episode 5: Possible "8 years" mention, not quite clear.
 * Present day events (which are late February of whichever year):
 * Episode 1: Lush Life by Leo Islo plays in-universe. This song was put online on March 27, 2017, suggesting we're in February 2018.
 * Episode 1: Right Now by Vindata plays in-universe. This song was put online on February 22, 2017, so it could just about work as late February 2017.
 * Episode 1: The taxi Tyrone pulls up has an "11 17" registration sticker. This would suggest it's between November 2016 and November 2017, if it's a 1-year sticker - which would make it February 2017. It could be a 2-year sticker and February 2016.
 * Episode 1: Tyrone and his friend's iPhones seem to be pretty current - like one of the more recent ones at the time of filming in early 2017. But I don't know if it's possible to be 2016 or even 2015 from the phones and iOS shown.
 * Episode 4: A magazine says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017," suggesting this is February 2017.
 * Episode 5: O'Reilly looks at narcotics arrest files that she describes as being from "about 8 years ago", and the files on screen are from 2010, suggesting this is February 2018.
 * Episode 5: The news from hours ago is from September 2017. This would suggest it is September 2017, but since this has to be February, February 2018 would make the most sense.
 * In relation to Tyrone's date of birth:
 * Episode 2: Tyrone says he has known the priest for 3 years, and with it being February, this suggests he's in February of junior year, which would mean he was born 16.4-17.4 years ago.
 * In relation to the accident:
 * Episode 2: Said to be "8 years".
 * Episode 4: Said to be "8 years".
 * Episode 5: Possible "8 years" mention, not quite clear.

BEJT wrote: I was literally about 10 minutes away from finishing the response to everyone's messages and then my laptop crashed and I lost it all. Not only that, but I've lost all of my Luke Cage notes.

I'm going to have to do this all over again, and I'm really gutted and really frustrated. I'm sorry guys - I'm really unhappy about it, I spent ages on them and I'm angry about losing it all. Deadpooled123 wrote: All good BEJT.

If Cloak and Dagger happens after the mention in LC s1e8/9, then it would have to occur in 2016 considering LC s2 happens months after LC s1 (approximately 9-10 months after) Marvelous 345678 wrote: Actually, we are setting Luke Cage Season 2 on August-September 2017.

And, don't worry BEJT. All good :) BEJT wrote: Yeah, I'd explained the 2017 choice in my big response. I'm so annoyed, I spent a long time writing all those things up. Deadpooled123 wrote: So the months reference is in fact years? Deadpooled123 wrote: Makes sense. Would people say 1.45 years? No, does make sense to say 18 months instead of 1.5 years. Deadpooled123 wrote: So would that put Cloak and Dagger at the same time then indefinitely? Marvelous 345678 wrote: There is a months reference? I haven't finished the season YET. I am on episode 8. I have homework and stuff xD.

Please mate, which references it is? Is it refering to Luke Cage Season One or Defenders Season One? BEJT wrote: As far as I'm aware (I still have a few episodes to go), they never mention "months". If you're referring to the reviews I linked before, it turns out that was just the writers assuming it was months on. BEJT wrote: Well, O'Reilly has to have left Harlem before Luke Cage: Season 2 and before Cloak & Dagger: Season 1. So ideally they'd be at about the same time, but they can work either way around, up to a couple of years apart. Deadpooled123 wrote: There's a months reference around the time when Danny Rand meets Luke Cage. Deadpooled123 wrote: I think.. Luke Cage does mention months referring to the first season of LC or other characters do in the 2nd season Deadpooled123 wrote: Also, if the writers assumed the timeline would lead to MANY figuring out errors. More specifically, those who are under the impression everything isn't connected because Iron Man hasn't flown down and greeted Jessica Jones. BEJT wrote: I just did a search for "month" (which would pull up "month" and "months") on the pages for the scripts for the last few episodes I haven't watched, and there doesn't seem to be anything significant. Only something in Episode 9 about a facility not opening for a month, and a mention from someone (these pages don't have the names of the people who speak) about not doing crooked business in months. I think The Comic Board, who have several people who've finished the season and given notes, would have pulled it up if there were a reference. Yeah, I don't think there's a reference to "months", it just maybe feels like it's only months.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Sorry man, but I don't get what you are saying here xD Deadpooled123 wrote: There have been many posts and comments by people going e.g. "Why haven't l seen this character on this show' or 'Why can't this character go on this show?' Deadpooled123 wrote: Also, the Comic Board have placed Luke Cage season 2 as August 2018.... Marvelous 345678 wrote: Really? Pfff. Well, we are talking about the one putting a SIX months gap in between the first half and second half of Daredevil Season 2. Putting Defenders on November 2016 contradicting A LOT. And putting Homecoming on October 2016 and Civil War on April 2016... So. What could you expect from them? Deadpooled123 wrote: Today was the first time l knew and looked at their website. Yeah they placed it in 2018, although they were still discussing the possibility of 2017 last time I checked. I don't get the insistence on a jump of a few months in the middle of Daredevil: Season 2, and I did explain to them that the July 21st date is not a present date but an older massacre of Frank's, but they're keeping it because they seem to think the weather's really important to stick to. The Defenders in November I'm not completely against because of the weather and Jessica's laptop date, but it seems to contradict all comments from cast and directly contradict The Punisher, with Karen being almost in two places at once. Homecoming in October I don't get, with much more evidence placing it in September.

Still, The Comic Board is alright. They have a different approach to us, but still, they're thorough.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, we know that Cloak and Dagger: Season 1 takes place in February-March of whatever year it's set in and we similarly know that Luke Cage: Season 2 takes place in August-September of whatever year it's set in. So the shows aren't occuring concurrently even if they take place in the same year.

The reference to O'Reilly in Episode 8 only mentions that they had called her and that she, among others, did not know that Misty had quit her job. Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that the O'Reilly reference meant they took place at the same time. I was just responding to Deadpooled123 when he asked if the reference meant they had to be concurrent, and saying that if they were purely the only pieces of evidence, then it would suggest they're at about the same time. But there's a lot more evidence than that, and it can't be the case - and that's not really a problem.

The Wikia Editor wrote: The facility mentioned was a new Rand building and the guy mentioning the crooked business was Turk, possibly referring to his business with Hogarth if this is in August-September 2017.

Also, really sorry that you lost so much work, I was really looking forward to reading what you had to say. I hope you'll manage to redo at least some of it. Right, yeah, I've seen the episodes now. The "month(s)" references were just me trying to find the reference Deadpooled123 was referring to, but it wasn't there.

It was a shame that I lost the work, but I guess the rewrite is a bit higher quality now that I already had a basis in my mind when writing the responses. I guess that's something. But yeah, I've tried to address everything again.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, they seem to be changing their minds on the matter after several people pointed out Jeph Loeb's statement as well as the fact that the season just doesn't feel like it takes place such a long time after Luke Cage: Season 1 and Defenders. However, they remarked that Loeb stated that the shows will "for the most part" be pre-snap, which they took to mean that they had some wiggle room in that regard. Yeah he said "for the most part". It wasn't Loeb's comment that made me think it was 2017 though, just one factor. I do think though that, because Luke Cage: Season 2 being August-September 2018 would put not only this, but Daredevil: Season 3, Iron Fist: Season 2, and probably The Punisher: Season 2 (which all will likely release before Avengers 4) after Avengers: Infinity War in the timeline, I'd say that doesn't count as "for the most part". I've explained it above though, of course. Hopefully they do decide it's 2017, I definitely feel that works better.

Cornstomper wrote: https://bamsmackpow.com/2018/06/29/paul-rudd-teases-infinity-war-connection/amp/

I'll be seeing the movie in the next few days, but Paul Rudd has stated that it does indeed run concurrently with Infinity War

Also I'm surprised I haven't mentioned it here yet, but I've got an adobe premiere project that is every single movie/one shot cut scene-by-scene chronologically to this wiki's timeline that I'm constantly updating, so I can't wait for the Infinity War section to be even more of an extravaganza Oh fantastic! I was just saying towards the top of the response how I thought people had given up on that kind of chronological edit. I'll be sorting more of the 2018 page soon.

Deadpooled123 wrote: If the most years from the incident is 8, then Cloak and Dagger has to be set at the beginning of 2017. Luke Cage season 2 begins at the near end of 2016 otherwise it would be weird to have such a large time gap between what occurred with Mariah Stokes between s1 and s2. Deadpooled123 wrote: also, who would recommend setting up a 24/7 chat-room able to be accessed by all members for a regular discussion regarding the MCU? Seems as though the chats that can be made are only possible if you contact people directly for them to join, would be best if everyone could chip in with information at their own schedule. What sort of chatroom would you be talking about?

BEJT wrote: We don't know when Cloak & Dagger is set yet because it's all so contradictory. The incident could be 2007, 2008, or 2009, so there's no place where the show "has" to take place. We're working it through, but I wouldn't make any conclusions on that show until the season is over and we have all the evidence, unless we get some really strong evidence before then. I've broken down all the contradictory information in my big response, which I'm still rewriting.

Luke Cage: Season 2, again, I break it all down in my big response, but it pretty much has to be August-September 2017. Sure, the feel of the show suggests it's only more like 2016, but the evidence places it in 2017-2018. You have to compromise sometimes, and 2017 works out as the compromise between feel and evidence. It just always comes down to the best possible placement to suit the most/strongest evidence possible - strongly implied time gaps such as it not being long since Misty lost her arm still count as evidence, even if they're not numerical - but like I said, compromises have to be made. There is a lot of evidence which would contradict 2016, and quite a bit which would contradict 2018. It'll all be listed when I finally post my response, hopefully tomorrow.

If you're trying to see how Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 and Luke Cage: Season 2 can be close together in the timeline because of the O'Reilly reference, I wouldn't worry. It's pretty vague, if necessary they can even be a couple of years apart.

I've been rewriting my response and my Luke Cage notes and making sure to save the work as I go to temporary notepad files, in case I lose the work again. Hoping to post it tomorrow, because I just want to get this done now and address all of you guys' questions and statements, and I've got to address the Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers situation soon because it comes out tomorrow in the U.S. (if anyone reading is not aware, the film does not come out for another month here in the U.K., so I've got to address the timeline and continue to use this wiki, including the 2018 page, while somehow avoiding spoilers for a whole 4 weeks). I've got a couple of things I'd like to request for how I'd like to discuss the film on here - what sorts of level of spoilers I'm comfortable with, and a couple of things that might help me avoid spoilers.

I've also got a piece of evidence that hasn't been brought up here that I wanted to wait until my full response to discuss, but it can't wait much longer sadly. Nasically, the language used in some reviews is suggesting that Ant-Man and the Wasp isn't just set "2 years" after Civil War, but is set right at the end of Scott's 2-year house arrest sentence, meaning it's 24 months after Civil War. Since reviews are suggesting that, to no one's surprise, this is not post-Infinity War, we might have some problems with moving Infinity War to June 2018-ish. But don't panic. Like I've been saying, I'll go into it more properly in my response - and yeah, hopefully I'll be able to post it before everyone's seen the film already, so I can discuss this and the spoilers problem the way I intended to discuss them: before the film. OK the Ant-Man and the Wasp problem. Reviews are suggesting that the film is set "days" from the end of Scott's 2-year house arrest sentence. This would mean that it's set in June 2018, about 23.5 months after Captain America: Civil War. With it being set before Infinity War, that would put Infinity War in June 2018.

This does fit better with Infinity War itself - the evidence for that film on its own placed itself around June, from the references to it being 2 years since Civil War and 6 years since The Avengers and us being told it's 4 years since Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and the weather shown in the film.

It does not particularly with Thor: Ragnarok, with over 6 months having to pass between the films. But that's not the end of the world.

But Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would get messed up. I would say that if necessary, the 12-06-2017 could be ignored, but we have the "Tidings of comfort of joy" mention and the few times we're told they were only away for "months", really suggesting they do get back in December. Then there's a small break, and then Episodes 14-22 are consecutive and linked with Infinity War. There is no way the jump between Episodes 13 and 14 is 6 months, because they play it like it's only been about a week, and they're still dealing with the rift, which is starting to reopen - it's not only starting to reopen a whole 6 months later. Snow is shown in Episode 14 as well, and Coulson still says in Episode 15 that they've only been missing for "months", when it would be over a year at this point.

We'll see how things play out, but we might just have to make compromises with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Thor: Ragnarok. If Ant-Man and the Wasp firmly places Infinity War, then so be it, I guess. It's just frustrating, but we'll deal with it, we always do.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Looking forward for your answers, my friend. By the way, we have a confirmed date on a file from Luke Cage Season 2, Busnmaster's backstory is set on mid 80s, on June 16th (my birthday xD), 1987 Pistol Pete was killed by Cottonmouth. That helps to set up all the dates. By the way, I am not pretty sure about the date but the year I am totally sure it is 1987. Are the points about Bushmaster's backstory and about Pistol Pete two separate points? I don't quite understand the way you've worded it, you say we have a confirmed date on a file but then you say two different dates.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Actually, the ballistics report about Pete's body is dated "4/13/1987". There is an approximated date of death listed as well, but it's blurry. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Dammit. I was hoping for June 16th. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, sorry, it happens.

Anyway, Cottonmouth mentioned that he was 14 when Mabel made him shoot Pete, putting his date of birth somewhere between April 1972 and April 1973. Bussterj wrote: Shall I move the shooting on the 1980's page as it's currently sitting at 28th Sept 1981 Marvelous 345678 wrote: I will ask you to wait a little please. You can add the official date on the Assassination of Pistol Pete article, but not move it from the timeline pages because there are some dates that have to move accordingly as well. In order to prevent a mess, we have to wait until all things are sorted up. The Wikia Editor wrote: Sounds fine by me. Although we don't know the exact date, only that it was before April 13. The shooting itself could have happened the day or even a week earlier. The night before sounds plausable, since the bullet was still inside the body and no mention was made of any kind of extensive decay. Bussterj wrote: How will this effect the other scenes with Cottonmouth in the 80s

1981- May 22nd - Pop, Cornell Stokes, and Fredo Diaz are photographed by Jamel Shabazz.

1981 - May 31st - Pop is arrested for his crimes on the streets of Harlem. This is the last time he sees Reva Connors, now aged 5, for 32 years

And maybe a few others but those were the main ones I saw (And I'm using for my project)

Obviously, they were calculated various different ways would this evidence of 1987 suggest these be in the same year too? There's a 5-month gap between the events at the moment so it could even be shifted to late into 1986.

For now, I will move The assassination as we have a definite year and then I'll let you decide or rework the other dates. The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm sure that BEJT will get around to reworking it eventually, he's way better at the calculations than I am. His blog on the subject will need to get updated. Bussterj wrote: Yeah I had a glance on that page and it's quite a lot of work! There's a few other flashbacks from Luke Cage that could be added as well if we can be bothered working out the dates for them as well! But lets fix the ones on there first :) Which episode is the 1987 date in? I've finished Episode 10 so still have 3 to go, I assume it's in one of those.

The Luke Cage past dates are all linked together, which is why I made the blog before - it's not as simple as them being 5 months apart.

Moving dates which have other dates all linked to them can be messy, which is why Marvelous was asking to take some time with it. As well as this, the references section can get messed up by movements if they're done bit-by-bit instead of in one clean go. But correcting the Pistol Pete stuff and Misty's age is probably the best idea at the moment, because I'm not going to be able to sort the blog immediately - it could take a week or two, so putting some things right in the meantime is probably a good idea. It's unlikely any readers in the meantime will get caught up in the mistakes in relation to those new dates.

I will update the blog, as The Wikia Editor says. I wanted to mention earlier that I would be updating the blog with the new info, but of course I lost the previous write-up of my response.

OK, the Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers situation. I can't see the film until August 3rd, because it's not released in the U.K. until then. If I can ask for a bit of cooperation, that would be helpful. Here's a few things I'd like to ask: Thanks for helping guys. I'll post this bit again in its own message soon, to make sure everyone sees it (if they haven't been reading the whole message).
 * When we discuss the film on this conversation, until the night of August 3rd, please can we keep things as spoiler-free as possible.
 * However, I would love to hear all timeline notes people have - how many days the film lasts, if there's any gaps, any mentions to events happening "x years ago", etc.. But could we please avoid an order of events or explanation of any scenes.
 * There is an inherent spoiler in the timeline placement of the film - how it will fit into Infinity War. I am very much expecting a connection, so I'm OK with you guys saying "It's set in the days preceding Infinity War," or something like that. If it's set during, I'd rather not know specifically, but maybe a, "Yeah, it's set in the same week as Infinity War." I'd also like to not be told specifically if the tie-in is the ending or the mid-credits scene or the post-credits scene or whatever.
 * I will have to edit the 2018 page a lot in the next month. However, people are going to be editing the 2018 page with Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers, and they could very well be happening among the same section as Infinity War, which is the section I'll be editing. This is where Marvelous helping comes in. I'm going to copy the 2018 page, as it stands, into the Phase Three user page, and edit there. Marvelous, if I make an edit saying "2018 edit - Correcting AoS Episode 19" or something like that, could you then copy and paste it into the correct section on the actual 2018 page, with the description, "BEJT can't check the page because he is avoiding AMatW spoilers. His edit: Correcting AoS Episode 19", replacing the "Correcting AoS Episode 19" part with whatever my description is for that particular edit, basically using the template BEJT can't check the page because he is avoiding AMatW spoilers. His edit: [X, Y, Z]"? That would be great, because it allows me to edit 2018 without stumbling upon spoilers. Hope it's not a big ask.
 * If you guys need to discuss spoilers, instead of just using spoiler tags on this discussion, could you instead perhaps open another spin-off thread to discuss it with spoilers? Because it will be hard for me to avoid the spoilers on this thread for a whole month, even with spoiler tags - I want to still be very much around on this thread, and don't want to have to keep being very careful every day, because I know I'll eventually slip up.

I'm nearly there with Luke Cage: Season 2. With exams, the World Cup, and catching up on films and TV I've missed in the last couple of months, it's taken me a lot longer to get through the season than I usually would. But yeah, nearly there. And then I'll catch up on the 2 episodes of Cloak & Dagger that I'm behind on as well. My detailed notes for Luke Cage: Season 2 are done up to Episode 9, and I'll post them in the next day or two. I'll wait until responses to this message are done, because otherwise the notes will get lost in the thread among all these messages.

Right, I've finally finished. Glad to have finally addressed everyone's messages. Looking forward to finally getting back to work on the wiki!