Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180721014802

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Yeah... I always knew that Iron Fist Season 2 was going to be the next one on the line. It made sense. And it doesn't botter. People have always treated the other TV shows like garbage because of Daredevil.

Making blacklask is childlish. I just enjoy. I am wanting Season 3 of DD badly (BELIEVE ME) but I have to relax. I bet we will get DDS3 around very late 2018 (Christmas:'v) or early 2019. But when you come to accept it. Then, it does not matter. Yeah I've pretty much accepted it, but sadly, many haven't. Oh well, it allows a good premise for Iron Fist: Season 2.

To be fair though, as all these comments came in during Jessica Jones: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 2, I was always just thinking "Guys, just wait, Daredevil is next." Although with this further push-back, I am now starting to get a little bit of "Oh come on, where's Daredevil?" but yeah, oh well. Around November 30th I reckon.

Deadpooled123 wrote: What if Daredevil s3 is set earlier than expected? Him waking up is 2016 so you could see a timeline being set con-currently with Iron Fist s2 maybe. perhaps..? It’s hard because Danny Rand mentions how he protects NYC in LC s2e10. It’s a lot of healing and if Murdock’s 3rd season started prior to IF s2, the Defenders would at least know through Word of Mouth. Expect IF s2 to be 1.8 years after IF s1 Iron Fist: Season 2 almost definitely has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because as I mentioned before, Marvel never go back on a character's storyline. Even when the films are out of order, they rely on "When you see a character, you can guarantee that it's chronologically after the last time you saw that character" to ensure people don't get too confused. So, with Misty, Colleen, and Danny (and probably Turk and possibly a few others) carrying over, that would place it after. But especially with Misty, she'll probably have her bionic arm, which would confirm it's after Luke Cage: Season 2.

Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because Claire talks about Matt's sacrifice and it's all-but said that everyone thinks he's still dead - as well as the fact that Rosalie Carbone, Benjamin Donovan, and Foggy Nelson will all appear again (as well as probably Turk), again placing it after Luke Cage: Season 2 going by the never-backtrack-on-a-character rule. And Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Iron Fist: Season 2 because his arc is about protecting the city in Matt's absence, and this also automatically puts it after Luke Cage: Season 2.

So basically, at least until Daredevil: Season 3, I'm fairly sure these are set in order - Luke Cage: Season 2, Iron Fist: Season 2, Daredevil: Season 3. I would expect Iron Fist: Season 2 to be set in late 2017 and Daredevil: Season 3 in late 2017 or early 2018.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I understand that Phase One was something of an unusual case due to the various contradictory dates. However, I still think that 2009 works better. The main reason is because the characters keep saying "8 years ago" whenever it comes up. If they only said it once or twice, then we could assume the characters were just rounding up. However, it's been mentioned on so many occassions that it just stretches credulity that no one would ever say 9 years even once if that was actually the case. Again, I understand that people in 2017 might refer to something that happened in late 2008 as "8 years ago", but I don't find it realistic to see it happening with multiple people doing so on several occasions, especially since it's not a rounded number.

I do agree that nothing explicitly places it in 2009, but one could make the same argument for 2008, since the one and only date we've been shown up to this point is "2007-04-18".

However, we do have some things that could at least somewhat hint towards 2009. Nathan Bowen's ID places the incident sometime between March 2008 and March 2010 and the narcotics files that O'Reilly looks through indictate that Connors' activities as a Vice officer (which he became relatively shortly after Billy's death), date back at least to February 2010.

I agree that none of this is absolutely definitive, but it certainly makes 2009 a better choice in my opinion. You make a good point, I was thinking of less explicit evidence placing it in 2008 such as Billy being born August 1990 and him supposedly being 17. But yeah, 2008 and 2009 are probably about equal in evidence actually. 2008 might be slightly stronger, but the number of times they've said 8 years does really suggest that it shouldn't merely be a rounded 8 years.

Well, now Episode 8 has made things even worse.

I was going to say that the reason I was thinking late 2008 was because more evidence placed it earlier and we had to compromise, but they had admittedly said "8 years" so many times that it made it difficult...

And then starting the episode I thought "Oh, OK, this makes things easier. It's the 8-year anniversary. So this means we're no longer treating them individually. We're weighing up the evidence for 2007/2015 vs. 2008/2016 vs. 2009/2017 vs. 2010/2018. And 2009/2017 has the strongest joint evidence. We're pretty much sorted then!"

And then the "Thursday, October 5" date showed up later in the episode and I despaired. This show is the worst when it comes to the MCU timeline of any of the MCU shows. Not saying it's the worst show, it's definitely not, but its timeline just makes me despair.

The Wikia Editor wrote: The thing that I'm slightly concerned about is when the Marvel Netflix shows start approaching that time placement. If we're lucky, none of them will reach March 2018 by the time Avengers 4 comes out, allowing us to no longer have to worry about it.

However, if, for example, The Punisher: Season 2 is depicted as taking place in March-April 2018, then we will either have to push Infinity War slightly later or, alternatively, we'll wait until Avengers 4 comes out in order to see how everything gets resolved and determine the placement of The Punisher: Season 2 afterwards. Well, this was what I meant soon after Infinity War came out when I said that I think we should treat things irrespective of Infinity War. Because if The Punisher: Season 2 or Runaways: Season 2 or anything else coming out before Avengers 4 places itself as post-Infinity War, it would be foolish to try and distort things only for things to get fixed in Avengers 4 in a way so that it turned out that these shows could comfortably place where the evidence originally placed them all along. After Avengers 4, we can revise anything accordingly.

The Wikia Editor wrote: From what I've heard, Iron Fist: Season 2 will be set in "late Winter", so I'm guessing somewhere in the range of December 2017-January 2018.

I'd definitely prefer for Iron Fist: Season 2 and Daredevil: Season 3 to somewhat overlap, in order to avoid having the shows push into March 2018. Well it filmed in late winter, so presumably would be set around winter 2017-18.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: If Daredevil Season 3 adapts Born Again, then we might have Christmas, New Year and that kind of holidays showing up. That would be nice (so long as they got the year right!) although having done Christmas in Season 2, I'm not sure that they'd do it again in Season 3. I guess there's no real reason why they shouldn't do it again, but it would just seem slightly odd to me.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Does anyone believe Iron Fist May be set in 2016? The trailer on Netflix seems to portray this As explained, likely not.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Iron Fist Season 2 is on late 2017. In the pannel during SDCC, a footage was shown featuring Misty Knight with his bionic arm.

Btw, Misty was mentioned today on Cloak and Dagger episode. Ah right so Misty's arm is confirmed, thanks.

Yeah, just finished the episode, enjoyed the mention! Frustrated by the October date.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Right, understood.

Episode 8 out now? Yup, and as I've mentioned, it messes things up further. The 8-year anniversary thing kinda helps, but the October phone date is a headache. I can't believe the continuity errors in this show.

I guess September-October 2017 should be considered despite it not lining up at all with the basketball season - it would work better with the news articles O'Reilly had on her sidebar a couple of episodes back, which I think The Wikia Editor pointed out were September 2017. But honestly, I almost want to give up with this show. Obviously I won't, but it's pushing my limits.

2 more episodes then the season's over and we can collect all the data into one and I can have a crack at it all. March 2009/February-March 2017 and October 2009/September-October 2017 are, I think, the main candidates.

Was shocked by the James Gunn news. I understand Disney's decision, because they have to distance themselves from things like that, and the tweets were awful. I think it's a shame though - having followed Gunn for a long time, I think he's a good person who takes the time to respond to people and speak responsibly and in a measured and factual way about politics and tries his best to be a good and productive person. I do believe him that he has vastly changed in the 8-10 years since those tweets were posted, and it really is a long time ago to judge someone against. But judging isn't the problem, it's Disney being associated with behaviour like that - they had to let him go. It's a big blow, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise was his baby, it practically belonged to him, and owed so much to him. Not only did he write and direct both films but he advised on Infinity War and reportedly wrote some dialogue and he responds to so many questions about the films and characters because he's basically the god of that franchise, the creator of it all and in control of it all. As well as this, he's high up at Marvel and has met with Feige to plan out the next like 10+ years of cosmic Marvel films, and so losing him will be a big deal. I can't see anyone else doing Vol. 3 without it just feeling odd. I do feel sorry for him, but don't want to undermine the fact that, yes, those tweets were vile. I do hope Cernovich gets punishment for the horrible, horrible things he himself has posted (much worse than James' tweets) and his behaviour here which was clearly, "I'm an idiot who wants attention and people to talk about me and how "controversial" I am, and I don't like James' politics so let's dig something up on him!", he can't just get away with this sort of thing and not expect anything back on him because looking at some of the things people are showing of his past posts, he is awful. But yeah, Gunn made mistakes - years ago, but sadly, it still counts. Disney had to let him go, and it's a shame. I hope they at least take his ideas and give him some sort of credit for Vol. 3.