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Marvel's Insistence That There's Barely Any Dates (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: I winced at that, too. A canon is either a strict timeline or Peanuts time. Can't pretend and say to the public it's Peanuts time when it's not. Especially when it was previously disclosed your company has a big scroll. Oh yeah, I briefly forgot about that scroll. Man, what is going on at Marvel with the timeline? I really hope they never release it.

Groot Pages (Cornstomper)
Cornstomper wrote: Ugh, just like this wiki with refusing to split Groot into two different characters despite Gunn constantly affirming that they are Yeah, I've never really understood that. Feige said once that it's the same character, Gunn insisted very strongly and firmly (and he's both the writer and director...) multiple times that they're separate. At least the page does say "offspring", but still, I don't understand why they're kept together.

Deadpooled123's Image (Deadpooled123, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelous 345678, WinterWolverine)
Deadpooled123 wrote: Avengers 4 lineup! :D Deadpooled123 wrote: The photo was outlining the heroes that survived the Thanos snap. Not sure why someone had to delete it....... Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: No one deleted it. I can still see it. But it's also not relevant a discussion of a timeline? Marvelous 345678 wrote: You cannot upload photos unrelated with the MCU productions. Deadpooled123 wrote: It is relevant, l posted it up for the sake of determining who would be a Skrull WinterWolverine wrote: And who is a Skrull is not relevant to the timeline. We do often get a little sidetracked into not talking about the timeline, usually just within long messages about mostly timeline-related stuff. It's good to try and keep this timeline-focused though. Mister Explicit did create the Casual thread a while ago to discuss non-timeline-related stuff. It didn't get used too much but it could be used again.

Did you upload the image to the wiki? Because since it was an edit of a bunch of photos and not a screenshot/photo actually for the wiki, then uploading it wasn't the best thing to do because it was going to get taken down. If you're posting an image that's an edit or something like that, try to link it instead or embed it.

(And I don't think anyone significant is a Skrull, I think the Skrulls will only be a very minor part of Avengers 4 if they even appear at all, because Avengers 4 is the ending of the culmination of 11 years of storytelling and has so much going on already that I don't think characters they introduced only 7-8 weeks prior will be relied on as a big part of the story.)

Infinity War Timings
I worked really hard on the Infinity War timing updates and all the notes for the events and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode events. It's not quite 100% done, because there's a few places I need to get slightly more specific. My specificity varies - in places where it matters down to the exact second and duration of the scenes, I have worked it out down to the exact second and duration of the scenes, and in places where it doesn't matter too much what the exact time is because it's the only scene for half an hour or however long, I've just assigned a general time give or take a few minutes and not adjusted exactly for the duration of the scene. However, in a few scenes, particularly on Thursday 29th, there is an overlap and I haven't quite been specific enough, so I'll get to doing that, but still, it's very accurate otherwise.

Interestingly, the new timings slightly adjust the watch order. The middle of Episode 19 is roughly Wednesday 19:35. The middle of Episode 20 is roughly Wednesday 21:25. The middle of Episode 21 is roughly Thursday 04:27. The middle of Episode 22 is Thursday 08:01-02. The middle of Infinity War is roughly Thursday 08:04. So this would mean that the watch order is, in fact, 19, 20, 21, 22, Infinity War. However, with literally 2 minutes in it between the middle of Episode 22 and the middle of Infinity War, the Infinity War events at that point are the main things I need to get a tiny bit more accurate over, so I can't say for sure where Episode 22 or Infinity War comes first quite yet.

Anyway, I thought I'd post the results (as they stand now, with a few tiny tweaks to come - I'll probably edit this post once I've made those tweaks so I'd appreciate it if the following bullet points were not quoted in a response). I've removed all the explanations here, but the explanations behind the timing of every single scene can be found in the full version here.

28th [Episode 19 - Option Two] [Episode 20 - The One Who Will Save Us All] [Episode 21 - The Force of Gravity]
 * 13:00-13:10 - The Statesman.
 * 13:10 - The Bifrost sends Hulk flying through our Solar System to New York.
 * 13:10-11 - "Thanos is coming."
 * 13:14-16 - Pepper and Tony.
 * 13:18-21 - The discussion in the Sanctum.
 * 13:21 - Tony checks the phone.
 * 13:22-41 - The Q-ship arrives. Attack on Greenwich Village. Tony and Peter end up on the ship.
 * 13:42 - Bruce calls Steve.
 * 13:42-44 - The Guardians pick up Thor.
 * 13:49-55 - Thor wakes and tells them everything that happened.
 * 17:45 - Talbot tries to sleep in the Lighthouse and mutters coordinates.
 * 17:45 - Coulson tells the team the plan to throw the gravitonium into the Sun. The team argue about Yo-Yo killing Ruby.
 * 17:50 - May and Daisy talk about what May has found from Caine.
 * 18:20 - Deke suggests a multiverse again. They discuss the possibility of him blinking out of existence.
 * 18:50 - Talbot continues to mutter coordinates. He calls for Coulson.
 * 19:00 - Coulson visits Talbot. He tells Coulson he must have given their location.
 * 19:05 - Qovas' ship arrives over the Lighthouse.
 * 19:05 - The team realise they are cut off from the world. Project: Reclamation is triggered, and Rick Stoner's video talks to them. Coulson selects the nuclear attack option before the alien invasion option shows. He accidentally locks them in for 15 years. Coulson tells the agents about the situation.
 * 19:08 - Qovas video calls them. Coulson says that in the current political climate, they'll probably get shot down.
 * 19:15 - Yo-Yo tries to explain her actions to Mack, who is not happy.
 * 19:18 - May tells Yo-Yo you can only learn to live with your actions.
 * 19:20 - Coulson wonders why Daisy isn't back by now. May reveals that she's gone dark to get information to save him. Yo-Yo thinks she killed Ruby for nothing.
 * 19:20 - Qovas prepares marauders.
 * 19:20 - Yo-Yo reveals her future self said they have to let Coulson die. Coulson realises the marauders can simply teleport in.
 * 19:20 - The marauders are sent.
 * 19:25 - The marauders arrive. Deke runs from them and hides in the vent as agents are killed.
 * 19:30 - Energy fluctuations occur. Deke tells them the marauders are already inside.
 * 19:35 - Deke tells them about the marauders. Coulson says they need to get Talbot out. Fitz tells Coulson there's an analogue override he needs to get to to get them out. Deke wonders why Daisy isn't back yet.
 * 19:40 - Daisy talks to Tony Caine. He gives her Centipede serum.
 * 19:40 - Yo-Yo gets Talbot out of his cell.
 * 19:40 - Fitz is attacked. Deke helps him, and they get to the override, where they find it ripped up.
 * 19:45 - Qovas sends more marauders.
 * 19:45 - Agent Kim goes to the armoury. Coulson decides to defend control. Yo-Yo has Talbot. Deke is fixing the elevator for the gravitonium. Fit tells them the aliens have EMPs, and they need combustible things to create light sources. "Let's light 'em up."
 * 19:50 - Yo-Yo and Talbot encounter marauders.
 * 19:50 - Deke panics and doesn't want to die.
 * 19:55 - Piper, Davis, and Simmons barricade themselves. Yo-Yo and Talbot arrive. Fitz tells Simmons on comms that Deke is still there, so Simmons feels they're safe. Yo-Yo heads out with Davis and Piper, leaving Simmons and Talbot as the last line of defence.
 * 19:55 - Mack joins Fitz and Deke. Marauders attack.
 * 20:00 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot into the dark. Yo-Yo leads the way, feeling she can't be killed.
 * 20:05 - Simmons realises they are surrounded. Talbot takes an I.C.E.R.. He sees the machine and I.C.E.s Simmons. Talbot then enters the machine.
 * 20:10 - Fitz has made a combustible cocktail. Deke calls Fitz "Gramps", which he doesn't appreciate. The doors rattle, but the noises stop and then come from above. The marauders enter and the team shoot.
 * 20:10 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot at the marauders attacking the lab. Yo-Yo is concerned that she can't get through to Simmons. The doors suddenly burst open and a marauder's blood is splattered. Graviton emerges.
 * 20:15 - The team are running out of ammunition and hand-to-hand fighting begins. Talbot enters and crushes the aliens.
 * 20:20 - Yo-Yo finds Simmons. They see the 100%-used machine.
 * 20:20 - Talbot lifts Coulson into the air, through the ceiling, and leaves with him. Rick Stoner's video tells them the planet is safe again.
 * 20:20 - Daisy digs up Jiaying's body.
 * 20:25 - Talbot and Coulson approach Qovas' ship. Talbot believes he can fix the situation.
 * 20:25 - The team at the Lighthouse are concerned that they can't help out, since the building has only just come back online.
 * 20:30 - A remaining marauder takes the odium and attacks Mack. Mack takes him down, and they take him prisoner.
 * 20:35 - Talbot claims the ship and crushes an alien, forcing the other aliens to kneel.
 * 20:35 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk about his fight with the rabid alien.
 * 20:40 - The marauder on odium becomes especially rabid, and then dies. Simmons decides she has to dissect him.
 * 20:40 - Talbot has everyone kneeling.
 * 20:45 - Coulson visits Hale on the ship and asks to team up.
 * 20:50 - Coulson and Hale return to the Remorath and talk about the Confederacy. Hale tells Talbot he is the only one who can save them all. She reveals that the aliens wanted gravitonium.
 * 21:00 - Fitz believes it could take hours to get the power working again, but Deke fixes the power quickly. Daisy calls. She's arriving.
 * 21:15 - Yo-Yo confronts Daisy on her return.
 * 21:20 - Yo-Yo and Daisy fight. May tells Yo-Yo to pitch in helping Coulson or leave.
 * 21:20 - Talbot has had a trim. Coulson tells him he looks pretty cool. Talbot is transported over to see the Confederacy.
 * 21:25 - The Confederacy. Talbot calls himself Earth's mightiest hero.
 * 21:25 - Deke goes to see Daisy. She tells him the bag contains her mother's body, and that someone seems to have pranked her by putting lemons on her bed. She talks about how people close to her die, including Lincoln. He reveals FitzSimmons are his parents.
 * 21:25 - Talbot asks to be added to the Confederacy. He kills one of the aliens, saying that now there is a space for him.
 * 21:25 - Mack fixes the Zephyr. Fitz walks in and they put the gravitonium in. Fitz tries to apologise, but Mack tells him to take a look at his actions.
 * 21:29-30/29th 02:29-30 Scotland - Scotland bedroom.
 * 21:30 - Simmons looks at the marauder's heart. Daisy drops off Jiaying's body, and convinces her to help by pointing out that they simply have to save Coulson.
 * 21:35 - Ready for take-off into space.
 * 21:35 - At the Confederacy, Kasius' father tells them Thanos is attacking.
 * 21:35 - Hale and Coulson look out at space.
 * 21:40-45/29th 02:40-45 Scotland - Edinburgh fight.
 * 21:45 - Talbot wants more gravitonium. He mentions he spoke to a Kasius. He forces Coulson to kneel, threatening his life.
 * 21:50 - The Zephyr reaches vertical burn. They get into space and start cloaking.
 * 21:55 - Simmons is happy in conversation with Fitz, but he's concerned. They look at the Centipede formula.
 * 21:55 - The Zephyr approaches the ship, then docks.
 * 21:55 - Talbot hears Quinn tell him how he found gravitonium in a mine. The aliens report that their hull has been breached.
 * 22:00 - Knowing it's S.H.I.E.L.D. who've arrived, Talbot turns on Coulson, feeling lied to. Hale lies for her own survival.
 * 22:00 - Talbot threatens Daisy when she enters, and lifts Coulson into the air. Hale says she trusts Daisy after she helped Ruby.
 * 22:00 - Hale attempts to use the Hydra conditioning to stop Talbot. He lowers Coulson, but then turns on Hale and crushes her, killing her.
 * 22:05 - Daisy tries to quake Talbot but fails. He takes her out and May has to surrender. Talbot calls them prisoners of war, believing he has finally realised S.H.I.E.L.D. were always the enemy.
 * 22:10 - Taryan takes Daisy with him.
 * 22:15 - Taryan introduces himself to Daisy. He says he is her future.
 * 22:20 - Qovas tells Coulson and May they are prisoners of war. Qovas says to Talbot that all he wants is the gravitonium, and Talbot says he knows someone who may be able to help.
 * 22:25 - Fitz and Simmons discuss the Centipede serum, and how it might be able to save Coulson.
 * 22:30 - Deke, Davis, and Kim are talking. Talbot attacks, killing Agent Kim. Deke reports back to Mack about Kim's death. Talbot takes the Quinjet.
 * 22:35 - Yo-Yo and Mack realise without power, the Quinjet's tracker won't show up. Mack decides to try and force the tracker to work by remote.
 * 23:19 - Coulson and May discuss Talbot in their cell. Coulson feels responsible. May points out the absurdity that they have now come to care for Talbot. They discuss change. Coulson then begins to scan the wall.
 * 23:19 - Talbot visits Creel in hospital. He says he can help him.
 * 23:20 - Daisy talks to Taryan. She tries to attack him, but he reveals she is not conscious.
 * 23:21 - Fitz and Simmons tell Mack about their theory for possibly saving Coulson.
 * 23:22 - Coulson scans the wall and begins to theorise how to escape, when Deke arrives, letting them out.
 * 23:22-23:24 - Talbot offers Creel the option to join him. He absorbs Creel.

29th [Episode 22 - The End]
 * 00:40 - Mack and Yo-Yo look at the footage. Mack is sad for Creel's loss, and decides that Talbot might have to be put down.
 * 00:57 - Gamora asks Peter to kill her if Thanos gets her. Drax thinks he's mastered being invisible.
 * 01:55 - Daisy breaks the inhibitor and escapes from Taryan's men.
 * 03:11 - Fitz and Simmons discuss finishing the Centipede serum. Simmons suggests that the odium combined with the Centipede might be enough to stop Talbot.
 * 04:08 - Knowhere.
 * 04:27 - Deke, Coulson, and May wander the corridors. Deke doesn't know how to count in Kree language. They encounter Remorath, but as they prepare to fight, Daisy arrives.
 * 05:43 - Yo-Yo and Mack discuss Talbot and where he might have headed. Yo-Yo tells him what he said about wanting to fix things, and Mack realises Talbot might have gone home.
 * 06:50 - Arriving at the facility.
 * 06:53-55 - Rhodey's meeting.
 * 06:55:53-06:58:46 - Talbot arrives. George and Carla.
 * 06:57:05-06:58:46 - Qovas. Sneaking around. Kiss. Quake.
 * 06:57-59 - Discussing what to do about Vision.
 * 06:58:46-07:01:06 - George and Carla. The team arrive outside. Bullets don't work.
 * 06:59:41-07:01:06 - May and Deke fight.
 * 07:01:06-07:02:36 - Hiding behind the car. Talbot and George. Talbot flies away.
 * 07:01:15-07:02:36 - Davis. Quake.
 * 07:01:31-07:02:36 - The symbols. Qovas.
 * 07:02:36-07:03:03 - Coulson.
 * 07:02:36-07:04:07 - Kill Qovas.
 * 07:04:07-07:05:08 - Watching from the ship. Coulson collapses.
 * 07:05:08 - The Lighthouse at sunrise.
 * 07:21 New York/13:21 Wakanda - Wakanda. Bucky gets his new arm.
 * 07:22 - Save the world or save Coulson.
 * 07:22 - Davis gives Coulson a blanket.
 * 07:22 - Deke talks to Piper.
 * 07:22-25 - The team debate what to do. May breaks the odium so they can only use the serum to save Coulson. Fitz tells them to prepare for the end of the world.
 * 07:25 - Talbot's ship flies in space.
 * 07:25-27 - Talbot asks Robin where the gravitonium well is.
 * 07:29-30 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk.
 * 07:32 - Talbot crashes into Chicago.
 * 07:32-33 - Yo-Yo talks to Coulson about why she had to suggest letting him die. He is understanding.
 * 07:32-34 - Daisy and Deke talk. Deke is heading off to travel. Piper alerts them about Chicago.
 * 07:36 - They take off for Chicago.
 * 07:36-38 - May, Simmons, and Coulson. Centipede left for him.
 * 07:37-38 - Talbot descends on Chicago. Finds a tiny bit of gravitonium.
 * 07:43 - Ebony Maw tortures Strange. Peter reveals he's still there. Using the vaccum. They decide to let the ship go to Titan.
 * 07:43-45 - The team plan. They appoint Mack. We save lives.
 * 07:50-51 - The police are struggling. S.H.I.E.L.D. call to announce their arrival.
 * 07:54 - Yo-Yo, Jemma, and Piper help people.
 * 07:54 - Mack, Fitz, and May run up the staircase.
 * 07:54 - Davis flies Daisy.
 * 07:55-56 - Mack, Fitz, and May help some people at the top of the staircase and find Robin. Mack goes in to get Polly from Talbot's ship.
 * 07:56 - Mack climbs up into the ship.
 * 07:56-58 - Daisy realises Coulson didn't take the serum. She leaves, angry with him. Someone films her shouting at him on the jet - the footage which would survive into the original future.
 * 07:58 - Mack goes through the tunnels and begins to try to save Polly.
 * 07:59 - Fitz comes back and May tells him where Mack is. He worries, reminding her that Mack and Polly don't make it in the future.
 * 08:01 - Mack gets Polly free. Two Remorath arrive.
 * 08:01-02 - Daisy tackles Talbot and tries to talk to him.
 * 08:02 - May and Fitz save Mack and Polly.
 * 08:02 - Davis goes to Coulson, who's collapsed again.
 * 08:02-03 - Talbot rejects Daisy's discussion, grabs her, and flies up into the air.
 * 08:03 - The group emerge from the ship with Polly, having rescued her.
 * 08:03 - Simmons and Yo-Yo help with Coulson.
 * 08:03 - Talbot crashes Daisy down.
 * 08:04 - The ground shakes from Talbot dropping Coulson. Rocks fall on Fitz.
 * 08:04 - Gamora says she hated her life. Thanos reveals he is torturing Nebula, until Gamora tells him the Soul Stone is on Vormir.
 * 08:04 - The Quinjet is shaken as well and Yo-Yo tries chest compressions on Coulson.
 * 08:04 - Talbot grabs Daisy to begin to absorb her.
 * 08:04-05 - Davis and Simmons rush to help Coulson. Yo-Yo goes into super-speed with her compressions.
 * 08:05 - Mack removes rock.
 * 08:05 - Daisy finds the serum and injects it.
 * 08:05 - Yo-Yo compresses. Coulson stirs.
 * 08:05 - Daisy breaks free and fires Talbot upwards.
 * 08:06 - Coulson wakes and Simmons and Yo-Yo are relieved.
 * 08:06 - Mack frees Fitz from the rock.
 * 08:06 - Daisy lies in the crater. Talbot floats into space.
 * 08:06-08 - Fitz doesn't realise he's losing a lot of blood. He tells Mack he can't feel his legs as he slowly dies, upsetting Mack greatly.
 * 08:18 - Simmons is helping Coulson when Mack arrives to deliver the news. Her face falls.
 * 08:26 - Thor laments everything he's lost. Rocket gives him a new cybernetic eye. They arrive in Nidavellir and meet Eitri.
 * 08:41 - An "In remembrance of" plaque is carved.
 * 08:41 - Simmons packs things at the Lighthouse.
 * 08:42 - Yo-Yo and Mack hug.
 * 08:43 - Simmons takes Fitz's tool from his cell.
 * 08:43 - Daisy burns Robin's drawings.
 * 08:43 - May hammers the White Monolith apart.
 * 08:48 - Nebula escapes and contacts Mantis.
 * 09:08 - Deleted scene on Knowhere.
 * 09:48 - The Q-ship crashes on Titan. The Guardians meet Tony, Peter, and Strange.
 * 10:10 - Eitri shows them the mould for Stormbreaker.
 * 10:20 - Davis puts up the plaque.
 * 10:33 - The two teams on Titan discuss plans. "Kick names, take ass." Strange returns from seeing 14 million futures.
 * 10:55 - Vormir.
 * 11:17 - Arriving in Wakanda.
 * 11:18-19 - Landing in Wakanda.
 * 11:27-29 Shuri and Banner. The Outrider ships begin to crash down.
 * 11:39-41 - Thor uses Rocket's ship to start moving the rings of Nidavellir. The forge starts up but then breaks. He dives in to hold it.
 * 11:41-45 - The group prepare in Wakanda. Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight approach. The Outriders are unleashed. Charge.
 * 11:43-46 - Thor holds the forge. Stormbreaker is forged. Groot makes the handle.
 * 11:48-49 - The battle continues. Thor arrives.
 * 11:48-55 - Thanos gets to Titan. Strange greets him. The group all attack. They try to get the gauntlet off, but Star-Lord loses control. Thanos throws the moon at them.
 * 11:52-58 - Rocket and Bucky team up. Steve talks to Thor and Groot. The underground mining vehicles erupt from the ground. Wanda goes to the battlefield but Corvus Glaive then attacks Shuri. Hulkbuster fights Cull Obsidian. Vision and Steve fight Corvus Glaive. The women fight Proxima Midnight and Scarlet Witch kills her. Vision kills Corvus Glaive.
 * 11:55-12:00 - Spider-Man grabs the Guardians as the moon crashes down on them. Strange takes on Thanos. Thanos attacks Iron Man, who does everything he can to fight back. Thanos stabs Tony, and Strange gives Thanos the stone in return for sparing Tony.
 * 11:56-59 - Drinks and celebration for Coulson's departure. Hitia'a Tahiti. 6113.856.
 * 11:59 - Davis wipes the plaque.
 * 11:59-12:03 - Coulson with Simmons, drinking, hugging. Says goodbye to Daisy. Steps out to the sand.
 * 12:00-07 - Thor continues to fight. Vision senses Thanos coming. The team all fail against Thanos. Vision tells Wanda to destroy the stone, and she does. Nonetheless, Thanos reverses Vision and takes the stone. Thor hurls the axe, but Thanos survives.
 * 12:05 - The team set up and begin to take off.
 * 12:05-06 - Coulson and May on the beach.
 * 12:06 - "Where to next?"
 * 12:06 - The end.
 * 12:07 - Soul World.
 * 12:07-09 - The snap effects (will expand on exactly how everything fits concurrently).
 * 12:10 - "Oh God."
 * 12:14 - An emergency broadcast is sent out. The ant still plays the drums.
 * Thanos smiles.

The Defenders Is Finally Complete
I've finally completed the checks of Marvelous' writeups of The Defenders: Season 1, and it's all on the 2016 page. There's something nice about the fact that this has been completed on exactly the 1-year anniversary of the show's release, because it means we never fell more than 1 year behind. With Inhumans: Season 1 already done, we're now up to The Punisher: Season 1 as the furthest-back content that isn't complete, so only 9 months behind. Of course, I'm working through it all and intend to continue to catch up more and more in the next few weeks, but yeah, that's a good chunk complete, taking us 3 months further towards being all caught-up.

Luke Cage: Season 2 Notes
Sorry for the delay on my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes, I lost some of my work and I'm taking a long time to very meticulously pick out every detail so the notes are 100% complete and perfect, I never have to add to them or improve them, and can always revisit them for all answers I may one day need. And I want to just post all 13 episodes' notes at once. They're still coming.

My Exam Results
Went well and I'm happy and my university is sorted. We'll see how that affects my schedule and freedom on the wiki come late September - it could improve my term-time freedom a bit or restrict it a bit, but I'll definitely still be regularly on here.