Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190520165411

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6 (Marvelus, Nox23, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)
Marvelus wrote: What happens when it reaches 13? You would have to wait and see huhahahaha

"Some people move on. But not us.": https://youtu.be/XGKrtHgHAq0

Great work in Punisher S2.

Obviously it is not the intention with Chase in Runaways. But now they can make it work. Oh right I saw that video. I just didn't think too much of that comment because it's not the intent, but yeah, it works.

Nox23 wrote: I don't know if these topics have been discussed or anything. After watching Endgame I went a few weeks trying to get myself to be okay with not focusing so heavily on the idea of the one continuity since there's just no way for the shows we have left to logistically acknowledge the snap. Still, the part of me that's been so invested in this for years has two questions:

1) Since the Netflix, Hulu, and Freeform shows don't mention Thanos at all, could it be possible that they take all place in the timeline that Thanos left in 2014, leading to things staying pretty much the same on Earth except Infinity War doesn't happen?

(((SHIELD Spoilers ahead)))))))

2) I know Agents of SHIELD's big mistake was acknowledging Thanos at all.  Jumping ahead only one year and staying in the a timeline with Thanos very much in it means it should be real dusty, and I just can't accept that half the world disappeared and SHIELD is focused on weird anomalies instead of helping with the logistics of healing from the mass disappearance, which HAS to take more than a year, it just has to.  Other communities I'm in have suggested the theory that when they avoided cracking the Earth, they didn't just escape that timeline, but also the timeline where the Snap happened.  It would help explain the lack of a world that should still be very much in mass mourning, but I needed to see the butterfly.  I needed to figure out why Graviton being beaten in Chicago meant Thanos' forces attacking New York but not getting all the stones, and apparently caused a rift in space that happened to be in the exact position to crack Fitz' cryoship in half. I'm sure that once we find out what exactly Sarge and co are up to, things will either make more or less sense, but do you think that it's possible that breaking the cracked-Earth loop somehow stuck the show on a separate timeline from the movies? Nothing from Netflix, Hulu, or Freeform has passed Infinity War yet anyway. The only one that will in the near future is Jessica Jones: Season 3 which is due out at this point in likely early June. Runaways: Season 3 might not even cross Infinity War so it could be potentially until a possible Cloak & Dagger: Season 3 next year before we get anything else catching up.

You don't need to warn about Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. spoilers. The unspoken rule here is that you only need to worry about spoilers if a full season comes out at once (Netflix) so people will be at different points, or with films.

We've addressed the idea of a separate timeline at the end of Part 11. Have a look from this point at my conversation with Edward Zachary Sunrose.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Until we are explicitly told by Marvel Television, Marvel Studios or Agents of SHIELD itself, we are still in the MCU. Also, just because the Decimation was large in scale does not make it any different from any other mass tragedy. People move on surprisingly fast. I do agree that it's hard to think they wouldn't mention it at all, but it's not impossible that they've moved on just enough. That all there is to say has been said, and now of course they're just caught up in a more pressing matter.

Marvelus wrote: I am really getting annoyed at how people try to find a way to remove the TV shows from MCU continuity. Nothing personal, Nox I like you.

Don't need to overthink about it. We are good. Nox23 wrote: I understand that sentiment, I guess I just don't see different timelines as different continuities. I've been fascinated by periods like Fury's Big Week or the overlap of Jessica Jones S1/Agents of Shield S2 and how we have different things happening in different places but it's still all MCU. I can see myself accepting that some of these things take place in branching timelines but in the same MCU, still with a correct chronological viewing order which is why I got so interested in the timeline in the first place. It's just my way of thinking and I was just curious if that where your guys' heads were at too, doesn't seem like it and that's cool Thanks for having a good conversation about it. If they can find a way to explain it through branched timelines that works with the rules of the universe and comments in films, then obviously we'll accept it. I really don't like the idea, but it'll just be the way it is.

However, at the moment I wouldn't say it's just about a matter of preference - we have no current reason to believe it beyond a fan theory (which I personally think doesn't make sense anyway). Until otherwise confirmed the default is that it's the same timeline.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I don't feel the need to come up with a complicated and potentially convoluted in-universe explanation when I can just ignore what the producers said and go from there. We're in the embryonic stages of multiverse/time travel so we shouldn't rush to using it to explain every little hole. Well yeah. We don't know how the multiverse works yet as I discussed before, and with the writers/directors disagreeing and the film apparently not as clear as I thought it was on what happens to the timelines in relation to returning Infinity Stones and what does and doesn't cause splits and branches etc.... it's just too early to say anything really.

Man, when I said that I didn't like the idea of multiverse and all that because of how messy it could get. I think we're already feeling that.

Nox23 wrote: Yeah, we can agree to disagree on whats more convoluted. I'm of the mind that assumiing trillions of beings died just a year ago and every character we see on screen doesn't care about it enough to talk about it is more of a mental backflip. But I 100% understand wanting so badly for this all to be on one single line. Believe me it took a whole lot of contemplation to start to entertain the idea of branches on that line and I'm still not completely there. Just starting to not completely dismiss it. Again, I agree that it's very strange, but I don't think it makes sense to assume it's another timeline just because of that, especially when the rules and comments (as discussed at the end of Part 11) don't really support that. I don't think it's just about preference, I think it's about the fact that in taking it to be the same timeline for now, while we are making some character assumptions, we are not making universe/continuity assumptions, just sticking to what we know and have been told and fitting the things around that. Fitting the characters to the universe rather than fitting the universe to the characters.

So far, all the "alternate timeline" theory is is a theory (that also doesn't have precedent yet).

Timeline Discussion (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since the Timeline is more of a general thing that needs to be updated on the Wiki with each release, its related discussions would probably be posted in the General Discussion Board.

As you can see when you open the link, on the right side of the screen, there is a column called "Forum Activity", which features the last 5 threads across all forum boards to have been replied to.

Forum threads, like these threads, cap out at 500 posts. You can also give "likes" to each comment, though they're called "Kudos" on here. And you can also tag threads, so you could specifically go to the Timeline page, and below it, find links to forum posts tagged as being about the timeline, like these discussions.

The main thing is the easier accessibility for people who want to dive deeper into the analysis of the timeline, but there are a few purely cosmetic changes as well. Functionally, posting a message on someone's wall or making a forum thread is very much the same.

Here's a popular thread in the General Discussion Board that features a good amount of responses; Did Vision Kill Ultron? Seems fairly similar other than the kudos thing, so if there are some slight advantages then it could be worth it for Part 13.

Do you still get notifications through the envelope icon in the top right?

Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 (Nox23, Mrmichaelt)
Nox23 wrote: I had forgotten what I originally came to this page for!! What day in February '17 did everyone land on for the Cloak and Dagger season 1 finale? I wanted to start working season 2 into my mastercut and seeing if it overlaps with Daredevil and/or Thor Ragnarok Mrmichaelt wrote: I settled on early March most likely March 1st (the day after Mardi Gras) actually, rather than a date in late February. Basically, right before the reports of murders attributed to Ghost Rider in AOS Season 4. Yeah it's posted as March 1st. Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 is all up on the 2017 page, Nox23.

Nox23 wrote: Thanks! And I'm so grateful for the super specific chirons in episode 3 I don't know what that means.