Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-3095612-20190116093250

BEJT wrote: I had a "find in page" search of the episodes' transcripts and could find no reference to "millions", but Mrmichaelt is correct, Jonah says in Episode 5, "My arrival predates recorded history," so as he says, before around 3200 B.C.. Nice catch, Mrmichaelt. Thanks!

BEJT wrote: *Sigh* Yes it does. All the comments added up to give a date of birth between January 1, 2001 and June 23, 2001, but I guess not. They did the same thing that fake "Civil War prop" passport that did the rounds in August did, and chose the August 10th Amazing Fantasy #15 reference, which is a nice touch, but it doesn't work with Peter being supposedly 15 in Civil War. That was technically only said out-of-universe, by Markus and McFeely, but it became common knowledge and a well-known statement, and it's now retroactively wrong, with him being 14 in Civil War. But also, there's the line in Homecoming that very much implies he was 15:
 * Tony: "Everyone else said I was crazy to recruit a 14-year-old kid."
 * Peter: "I'm 15."

Tony is referring to June, when he recruited Peter, but Peter replies by saying he is 15. The fact that his reply is a response to Tony talking about June but is also him talking about his age right now, in September, strongly implies that he was both 15 then and is 15 now, that his age hasn't changed since. He is correcting Tony, therefore meaning he is saying, "I was (and still am) 15", treating the time since June as negligible in terms of his age - because his age hasn't changed.

But I guess now this just means that Tony was right, and Peter was 14, and Peter is now 15, and is either misunderstanding Tony or is just trying to say "It's OK now though, I'm 15 now." It's not the intention of the line.

Also, Peter being 14 in Civil War just doesn't sit well with me. I can believe Tom Holland playing a 15-year-old in that film (he was just-turned-19 at the time), but 14 is really pushing it. I know that it's technically only about 5 months' difference from when we had his age pegged down to, but it just feels wrong for him to be 14 - and makes Tony's decision to take him even weirder. As well as this, it makes his relationship with Liz weirder. Liz was born in 1999 (she's 2 school years above Peter, whose school year is the 2001-born kids), so she's maximum 17y8m old (and considering Laura Harrier was 26 at the time of filming, Liz has surely got to be an older student in her year) going out with a guy who's 15y1m old. Let's just assume that, despite Laura Harrier's age, Liz is a younger student, 16y9m old. Makes it less weird. Finally, we did already know that just with the way Peter's age worked, he would have to have been bitten aged 14 rather than the traditional 15, but he was nearly 15 previously - now, he's only 14y4m old when he gets bitten, which is very much not the traditional 15. Okay, so the previous impression you and/or the wiki had was that in Civil War (2016), Peter was 15 going on 16 and the issue now is he was 14 going on 15?

BEJT wrote: Plus I got annoyed at the fake prop back in August with an August 10, 2001 date of birth because a) people were claiming it was real, when it's not (it mysteriously only showed up on August 10th, in time for all the "Fun fact: Today is Peter Parker's birthday" Instagram post, its source could only be traced back to fan sites and Instagram posts, and now in Far from Home we see that Peter is only just getting a passport when that prop suggested he had one issued in 2016 and expiring in 2021), and b) the date of birth was wrong, only for Marvel to just do exactly the same wrong thing that fake passport did. And I think it also just made me go, "Oh no, there's a mistake even just in this trailer, this doesn't bode well for the actual film." I didn't know about the fake prop thing. That's messed up.

BEJT wrote: we'd have to make a tough decision about whether it overrules what we've been told, whereas at least it being clear means it just has to overrule the Markus and McFeely comment and the Homecoming implication. Yep.

BEJT wrote: I've addressed my thoughts on that Homecoming line above, because as I say, I actually think it strongly implies he was 15 in Civil War, so is part of the problem. But yeah, like I said above, I guess Tony wasn't wrong, now. Another way to look at it is, when a child meets a new adult/person of authority, they puff up and try to act older. Peter rounding up his age to 15 can be interpreted as that.

BEJT wrote: It's been said that it's set at the end of Peter's junior year/the summer vacation following his junior year, so since he was a sophomore September 2016-June 2017, that means he's a junior September 2017-June 2018, so this is Summer 2018. Hmm. Wait doesn't that add up and work out better? In Civil War, June 2016, he'd be ending his Freshman year at age 14. In Homecoming, he'd be starting his Sophmore year at age 15. In Endgame and Far From Home, he's a Junior and 16. His birth year would still be 2001.

BEJT wrote: It is bizarre that they erased the years because in-universe, there would be no reason for that/it makes no sense. Imagine having a passport that just has your birthday rather than your date of birth, and moreover, an expiry date that doesn't have a year on it... it's completely redundant. But out-of-universe, it makes sense in terms of trying to avoid making a mistake (even if they did manage to anyway), so I don't mind it. I'd much rather have a weird passport without years than for it to say "10 AUG 2002" and "19 JUL 2019". Yeah, exactly. I'm curious if when we watch the actual movie, if that scene will have years on the passport. Like they edited out the years in the passport just for this trailer out of paranoia to avoid any hint of Endgame even though we all know it's post-Endgame.