Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-24669364-20170327194916/@comment-26838855-20170421030943

So, here's my pitch for fixing 2013-Age of Ultron.

Square brackets are the dates of these events currently on the timeline.

I have rewatched the episodes leading up to Age of Ultron, but haven't rewatched Season 1, so if there's a few internal dates that are one or two days off, apologies.

I've researched everything I can, and I believe that this fits very very nicely. So, without further ado:


 * Sunday September 8, 2013 - Coulson's given the Bus.
 * Monday September 9, 2013 - [September 24, 2013] Episode 1 opening. "What do you say we go out to your aunt Mindy's this weekend?" implies it's not the weekend. [September 25, 2013] Assembling the team. Ward's new Level 7 badge says it was given on September 9, 2013.
 * Tuesday September 10, 2013 - [September 26, 2013] Episode 1 climax.
 * Thursday September 12, 2013 - [September 27, 2013] Episode 1 ending. Episode 2 opening.
 * Friday September 13, 2013 - [September 28, 2013] Episode 2.
 * Saturday September 14, 2013 - [September 29, 2013] Fury reprimands Coulson. "It only took you six days to take a completely renovated piece of state-of-the-art machinery and turn it into scrap?!"
 * Small break
 * Thursday September 19, 2013 - [October 1, 2013] Episode 3 opening.
 * Friday September 20, 2013 - [October 2, 2013] Episode 3.
 * Saturday September 21, 2013 - [October 3, 2013] Episode 3 Ian Quinn's mansion. Earlier in the episode, it is stated, "This weekend, Quinn worldwide's got its annual shareholders gathering" - so Saturday fits.
 * Sunday September 22, 2013 - [October 4, 2013] Episode 3 return gravitonium.
 * Small break
 * Monday September 30, 2013 - [October 7, 2013] Episode 4 theft.
 * Tuesday October 1, 2013 - [October 8, 2013] Episode 4.
 * Wednesday October 2, 2013 - [October 9, 2013] Episode 4 Todorov Building.


 * Thursday October 3, 2013 - [October 9, 2013] Episode 4 Akela leaves. Poker.
 * Small break


 * Thursday October 10, 2013 - [September 30, 2013] Birds attack Asgard.


 * Saturday October 12, 2013 - [October 12, 2013] Episode 5 Chan Ho Yin performing.
 * Sunday October 13, 2013 - [October 13, 2013] Episode 5.
 * Monday October 14, 2013 - [October 14, 2013] Episode 5 visit Po.
 * Small break
 * Wednesday October 23, 2013 - [October 26, 2013] Episode 6 camp fire.
 * Thursday October 24, 2013 - [October 27, 2013] Episode 6 investigate.
 * Friday October 25, 2013 - [October 28, 2013] Episode 6 discover infected.
 * Saturday October 26, 2013 - [October 28, 2013] Episode 6 climax.
 * Sunday October 27, 2013 - [October 28, 2013] Episode 6 helmet to Sandbox.
 * Small break
 * Monday November 4, 2013 - [October 31, 2013] Episode 7 Coulson kidnapped.
 * Tuesday November 5, 2013 - [November 1, 2013] Episode 7 Overkill.


 * Wednesday November 6, 2013 - [November 2, 2013] Episode 7 extract Fitz and Ward.
 * Small break


 * Saturday November 9, 2013 - [October 30, 2013] The Dark World Selvig streaking.
 * Monday November 11, 2013 - [November 1, 2013] The Dark World Vanaheim.
 * Tuesday November 12, 2013 - [November 2, 2013] The Dark World Sacking of Asgard.
 * Wednesday November 13, 2013 - [November 3, 2013] The Dark World Second Battle of Svartalfheim. File for Selvig's release says 11/13/2013.
 * Thursday November 14, 2013 - [November 4, 2013] The Dark World Greenwich.


 * Friday November 15, 2013 - [November 5, 2013] Episode 8 cleaning up.


 * Saturday November 16, 2013 - [November 6, 2013] Episode 8 Seville, "We are the gods." S.H.I.E.L.D. can't get in contact with Thor because he's away.


 * Saturday November 16, 2013 - [November 6, 2013] The Dark World Thor seeks permission to return to Earth. [November 6 and 7, 2013] Both credits scenes.


 * Sunday November 17, 2013 - [November 7, 2013] Episode 8 Ireland.


 * Monday November 18, 2013 - [November 8, 2013] Episode 8 return Randolph.
 * Small break


 * Tuesday November 19, 2013 - Ace's birthday. "You got a birthday coming up in a couple of months." This was said on September 9, 2013. 2 1/3 months later.


 * Wednesday November 20, 2013 - [November 9, 2013] Episode 9 seemingly the next day, but their wounds have apparently healed (I haven't rewatched to check), and May and Ward sleep together regularly at this point. Apparently there is a Wednesday newspaper.


 * Thursday November 21, 2013 - [November 10, 2013] Episode 9 Upwords.
 * Small break


 * November 24, 2013 - [February 17, 2014] Homecoming.


 * Tuesday December 2, 2013 - [February 4, 2014] Episode 10. After Ace's birthday.
 * Wednesday December 3, 2013 - [February 6, 2014] Episode 11 36 hours later.
 * Thursday December 4, 2013 - [February 6, 2014] Episode 11 Coulson saved after "three days" (timespan mentioned in 117).
 * Friday December 5, 2013 - [February 7, 2014] Episode 11 confront the doctor who saved Coulson. Peterson wakes.
 * Small break
 * Tuesday December 16, 2013 - Episode 12 frozen water incident.


 * Wednesday December 17, 2013 - [February 27, 2014] Episode 12 investigate at the Academy. "24 years" since 1989, so it's still 2013. "A few months" since the beginning of school term - 3½ months.
 * Small break


 * Thursday December 18, 2013 - [February 28, 2014] Newspaper article printed about the Donnie Gill incident.
 * Friday December 19, 2013 - [February 25, 2014] All Hail the King. It was released 9 months after Iron Man 3, so real time passing would be late September 2013. It was released in early, and then late February 2014, so real time setting would place it somewhere in February. The middle of these two dates is November/December 2013. It was released between Episode 12 and 13 of AoS Season 1, so seeing as they are set in December, it works for this to be set in December, between those episodes.


 * Friday December 27-Saturday December 28, 2013 - [March 2, 2014] The Chase comic Tour de France appears, but the date cannot be July based on all the other evidence going against that. The Tour de France could be at a different time of year in the MCU, and I'm not even sure they ever specifically call it the Tour de France in the comic anyway. They dealt with the Overkill device "a while back," nearly two months. Finishes with them deciding to go to Italy.
 * Saturday December 28, 2014 - [March 15, 2014] Episode 13 meeting over Cybertek.
 * Sunday December 29, 2014 - [March 16, 2014] Episode 13.
 * Monday December 30, 2014 - [March 17, 2014] Episode 14 shot "yesterday." Known Skye for "a few months" - 3½ months.
 * Small break


 * Thursday January 2, 2014 - [March 20, 2014] Episode 14 Lorelei arrives.
 * Friday January 3, 2014 - [March 21, 2014] Episode 15 meet Sif. Ward enthralled. Skye is apparently still recovering (haven't rewatched to check), but Jemma apparently spent a few days taking blood from her. In 212, which has to be 2015, it is said that this happened "last year," so it is now 2014 by this point.
 * Saturday January 4, 2014 - [March 26, 2014] Episode 15 save Ward.
 * Small break
 * Monday January 6, 2014 - [March 31, 2014] Episode 16 meeting.
 * Tuesday January 7, 2014 - [April 1, 2014] Episode 16 Deathlok attacks Blake.
 * Wednesday January 8, 2014 - [April 2, 2014] Episode 16 kill Nash. Get message from "Fury". This must either be delayed from the day before, or not really Fury.
 * Saturday January 9, 2014 - [April 3, 2014] Episode 16 recall the Bus.
 * Sunday January 10, 2014 - [April 4, 2014] Episode 17 Project Insight.


 * January 2-5, 2014 - [March 27-30, 2014] Prelude scepter experiments.


 * Monday January 6, 2014 - [March 31, 2014] Winter Soldier Lemurian Star.
 * Tuesday January 7, 2014 - [April 1, 2014] Winter Soldier visit Peggy. Attack on Fury.
 * Wednesday January 8, 2014 - [April 2, 2014] Winter Soldier Chase of Captain America. Zola computer.
 * Saturday January 9, 2014 - [April 3, 2014] Winter Soldier Battle of Washington, D.C.
 * Sunday January 10, 2014 - [April 4, 2014] Winter Soldier Project Insight.


 * Monday January 11, 2014 - [April 5, 2014] Episode 18.


 * Tuesday January 12, 2014 - [April 6, 2014] Episode 19 Episode 20 Hill.


 * Wednesday January 13, 2014 - [April 7, 2014] Episode 20 Ward is exposed. In Season 2 he says he lived with the team for "months" - 4 months.


 * Tuesday January 12, 2014 - [April 6, 2014] Episode 19. Episode 20 Winter Soldier senate hearings. In Civil War, Sam says that Natasha had the government hearings "a few years back," which implies about 3 years, but later says that he and Steve have been searching for Bucky for "2 years." From this, 2 years and 5 months since Winter Soldier is a very solid suggestion to fit both. January 2014 also fits as "2 years" after Avengers (1 year, 8 months, and 2014-2012=2), as Johansson stated. January is the chosen month as it is as early as possible to fit much better with Talbot's statement of "all winter," while still fitting these other previously mentioned statements. January-May fits "all winter" much better (as mid-winter to spring), with him referring to the rest of the winter, and the fact that it is now turning to summer. It fits it a lot better than the current April-October, which is spring, summer, autumn/fall.
 * Wednesday January 13, 2014 - [April 7, 2014] Winter Soldier Fury leaves.


 * Thursday January 14, 2014 - [April 8, 2014] Episode 21.


 * Friday January 15, 2014 - [April 9, 2014] Episode 22. Daisy says in April 2017 that she met Koenig three years ago, which fits as January 2014.
 * 4½-month break between seasons


 * Saturday January 16, 2014 - [April 10, 2014] Winter Soldier credits scenes.
 * Sunday January 24, 2014 - Fitz wakes after 9 days.
 * Thursday April 10, 2014 - [June 2, 2014] Blake released.
 * Friday April 25, 2014 - [September 5, 2014] Coulson puts Skye onto the Words of Creation.
 * Thursday May 15, 2014 - [September 26, 2014] Coulson's last episode.
 * Friday May 16, 2014 - [September 27, 2014] Coulson leaves the Playground.


 * Friday May 29, 2014 - [October 10, 2014] Theta protocol is said to be "one year ago" on a fairly assured May 8, 2015 (see later affirmation of date). By usual calculations, (exact one year ago date*2+middle of year*1)/3, this comes out as (May 8, 2014*2+July 2, 2014)/3 = May 26.333, 2014. The "one year" could be shortened if necessary, and I was originally going to, to maybe 10 months, but actually, when it came to working out the date, May works best anyway. There's big gaps anyway early in the season, so why not extend them a little further? Then May is a good month for the "whole winter" comment, as it is late spring, when it is heading into summer, and winter has recently come to a full close. It works with Coulson's statement that the Bus has been gathering dust for months. It's roughly the real time passing, with a little over 4 months between 122 and 201 in real life and in-universe. It also fits with Brett Dalton's statement of being imprisoned for 6 months. "Ward had a hell of a time in the cage by himself for 6 months, he had some suicidal tendencies, and once he comes to the end of wrestling with all of his demons, he makes a promise; to reunite Skye with her dad." The suicidal tendencies etc. refers to where we pick up in Episode 1, but the promise to Skye is Episode 3. With Episode 3 being mid-September, the middle of these two dates (with Episode 1 in late May) is late July, which works nicely as 6 months after mid-to-late-January. With Talbot going for a walk with his son in Episode 1, I put that on a Sunday, so this was the 29th rather than 26th.
 * Saturday May 30, 2014 - [October 11, 2014] Episode 1 the deal goes wrong.
 * Sunday May 31, 2014 - [October 12, 2014] Episode 1-2 government warehouse. Agents killed.
 * Monday June 1, 2014 - [October 13, 2014] Episode 2 take down Creel.
 * Wednesday June 3, 2014 - [October 14, 2014] Episode 2 Hartley's funeral.


 * Thursday June 4, 2014 - [October 15, 2014] Episode 2 deliver Creel.
 * 3½-month break


 * Thursday September 11, 2014 - Birthday message, while Fitz still believes Simmons is away.


 * Thursday September 18, 2014 - [December 14, 2014] Episode 3 torturing Palamas. According to Ward in 221, Agent 33 endured "months of torture and mind control." She is freed when Whitehall dies on March 31, 2015, making it 6 months. 106-day gap between Episode 2 and 3, 106 days between 3 and 4, and roughly half of this, 54 days, between 5 and 6. There is a smaller gap here because it seems like Bobbi and Hunter have not been reunited for too long.
 * Friday September 19, 2014 - [December 15, 2014] Episode 3 Simmons meets with Coulson.


 * Saturday September 20, 2014 - [December 16, 2014] Episode 3 take down Gill.
 * 3½-month break


 * Sunday December 14, 2014 - [February 17, 2015] Episode 4 fire at the church. The paper apparently says it was "last month."


 * Friday January 9, 2015 - [February 22, 2015] Episode 4 events. Skye makes a joke in which she implies she's known May for over a year, which works fine, with them meeting on September 9, 2013. Episode 5 wedding massacre.
 * Saturday January 10, 2015 - [February 23, 2015] Episode 4 48 hours to retrieve the Obelisk. Episode 5 flex screen.
 * Sunday January 11, 2015 - [February 24, 2015] Episode 5 rescue Simmons.
 * Monday January 12, 2015 - [February 25, 2015] Episode 5 take the Diviner to Whitehall.
 * 2-month break
 * Saturday March 7, 2015 - [March 28, 2015] Episode 6 Attack on the UN. Hunter is unwilling to work with Morse, after she recently returned (stretched to a little under two months).
 * Sunday March 8, 2015 - [March 29, 2015] Episode 6 Ambush at the Belgium Safe House. Christian Ward's speech, less than 48 hours after attack. Grant Ward escapes.
 * Monday March 9, 2015 - [March 30, 2015] Monday paper on Ward.
 * Saturday March 14, 2015 - [March 31, 2015] Episode 6 Derik tattoo.
 * Sunday March 15, 2015 - [April 2, 2015] Episode 7 Derik murders.
 * Monday March 16, 2015 - [April 3, 2015] Episode 7 Hunting Ward. Fighting Derik. We know that in Episode 7, Mack says this was "last week." He says it on Sunday March 29th, so the earliest possible here is Monday March 16th.
 * Tuesday March 17, 2015 - [April 4, 2015] Episode 7 The "past few months" searching for artifacts. Ward looks at the Monday newspaper with his brother's vow.
 * Saturday March 28, 2015 - [April 8, 2015] Episode 8 Zabo talks to Whitehall. Zabo talks about how he could have saved Whitehall "weeks of work" on the Obelisk. From the stretched timeframe, it's about 10 weeks, which still works.
 * Sunday March 29, 2015 - [April 9, 2015] Episode 8 Fighting Thompson was last week. Finding the Kree City. Christian Ward assassinated. Post-March 3, 2015, as the Red Skull has been dead for "over 70 years".
 * Monday March 30, 2015 - Episode 9 [April 10, 2015] Arrive in Puerto Rico. Mack, being Christian, has asked about holiday as it is Easter week, but no such luck. On Friday April 10, 2015, May says they took Skye to the temple "last week", the earliest being Monday March 30th. This works as then having Episode 8 be on a Sunday (March 29th), allowing for another extended gap from its "last week" reference to Episode 7. Coulson refers to people on holiday - it's the Easter holidays.
 * Tuesday March 31, 2015 - Episode 10 [April 11, 2015] Kree City.
 * Friday April 3, 2015 - [April 13, 2015] Episode 11 discuss what to do next. Skye talks about "every time she wakes up" so it's been a few days, but Raina can't have eaten or drank, so it can't be more than three days.
 * Saturday April 4, 2015 - [April 14, 2015] Episode 11 Assassination the HYDRA Leaders. Drink together.
 * Sunday April 5, 2015 - Easter Sunday.
 * Wednesday April 8, 2015 - [April 15, 2015] Episode 12 Sif arrives on Earth.
 * Thursday April 9, 2015 - [April 16, 2015] Episode 12 Chase of Vin-Tak.
 * Friday April 10, 2015 - [April 17, 2015] Episode 12 return Sif. The temple was last week - Monday March 30-Tuesday March 31, 2015.
 * Saturday April 11, 2015 - [April 17, 2015] Episode 12 Mack takes Hunter. Episode 13 Cal recruits Karla Faye Gideon.
 * Sunday April 12, 2015 - [April 18, 2015] Episode 13 events. Hunter's first day in captivity. It seems like this isn't Skye's first morning in confinement, as she is glad to be "improving", but it seems very recent as Simmons is annoyed at Fitz, they are only just now putting her on the Index and getting Andrew involved, plus Hunter wouldn't have waited long to confront Mack and this is the day after, so all in all, two days after the majority of Episode 12.
 * Monday April 13, 2015 - [April 18, 2015] Episode 13 the following night, Hunter is taken to the Iliad.
 * Tuesday April 14, 2015 - [April 19, 2015] Episode 14 and 15 Taco Tuesday. Mack been gone for "several days," "spent 48 hours keeping him out of bar fights in Athens, Georgia" - this implies he got to Georgia 48 hours ago, the day after leaving - coupled with the "48 hours," this implies 3 days.
 * Friday April 17, 2015 - [April 20, 2015] Episode 15 Coulson meets with Hunter on the beach. [April 22, 2015] Episode 16 Honest Eddie. Skye wakes after 2 days.
 * Sunday April 19, 2015 - [April 22, 2015] Episode 16 look at the footage of Skye. Hunter says he was "only gone a week". It is unclear if he is referring to up to the point of Skye being taken (14th, which would be three days), him reuniting with Coulson (17th, six days) or today. If "today" is the 19th, eight days, those three average at 5 2/3 days, which is close to "a week." This day cannot be any later than a 2-day drive from Honest Eddie's. Skye finishes her transition 2 days after she wakes in Afterlife. Skye walks with Lincoln. May and Gonzales talk. Coulson and Hunter drink together. Skye's "4th bed in the last week" - confinement Sunday/Monday, the Retreat Tuesday, her transition Wednesday-Saturday, and now this bed, on Sunday.
 * Monday April 20, 2015 - [April 23, 2015] Episode 16 Ambush at the Retreat. Bobbi talks to Gonzales. Skye and Lincoln discuss their powers in the calm space. Fitz pretends to be confused as to why Jemma is letting them open the Toolbox. Gordon visits Cal. Coulson is surrounded. Jiaying tells Skye they will begin training tomorrow. Fitz and Simmons "argue."
 * Tuesday April 21, 2015 - [April 24, 2015] Episode 17 tracking Fitz. Skye begins training. "This afternoon will be much harder," implies it's still morning. May and Bobbi talk. Skye makes music. She says she believes she's 25. This must before April 26, 2015, as it seems from 107 that Skye believes her birthday to be April 26, 1989, and so this is when she would have believed to have turned 26. Jiaying reveals she's Skye's mother. May talks to Simmons. They look at his trips for Theta Protocol. Ethan is leaving, has to still be early morning in Afterlife, because him being in the 37th hour of experimentation has to be the next day while it is still light. He is taken very fast by HYDRA and experimented on immediately, even on the flight to the Arctic. Daisy says at dinner that she learned who her mother was today.
 * Wednesday April 22, 2015 - [April 25, 2015] Episode 17 Fitz in the bathroom. Episode 18 save Fitz. 37th hour of experimentation on Johnston, evening in Afterlife, still light. Dinner was last night. Draughts. Jemma admits she switched the box. Talk to Ward. Bobbi has found out about the box. Nighttime reveal Bakshi in the car. Cal says dinner was last night. They will go to Milwaukee tomorrow. Night in Afterlife. Night as Coulson flies. Similar timezones.
 * Thursday April 23, 2015 - [April 26, 2015] Episode 18 drop off in Milwaukee. Battle at Calvin Zabo's Building. Episode 19 Raina sees Lincoln's torture. Gordon returns. Coulson talks to Gonzales. Mike and Lincoln talk.
 * Friday April 24, 2015 - [April 27, 2015] Episode 19 arrive back on the Bus. Plans are made.
 * Saturday April 25, 2015 - [April 27, 2015] Episode 19 Skye returns as they fly to the Arctic. No one has made it this far, so it's at least 37 hours after they were kidnapped. Assuming they were kidnapped in the late afternoon of 23rd (the latest possible considering it's daytime but the day after the 22nd), this puts it at least in the early hours of 25th. Considering there's no mention of Johnston lasting particularly long, push it right up to late 25th (allowing for closing in on the opening of Age of Ultron).
 * Sunday April 26, 2015 - [April 28, 2015] Episode 19 arrive back in the morning. Ward later calls Coulson, having made his own way to America. It's now evening. Coulson calls Hill.
 * Monday April 27, 2015 - The Avengers assemble. The plans are drawn for the attack.
 * Tuesday April 28, 2015 - [April 29, 2015] Age of Ultron Attack on HYDRA Sokovia Base.
 * Wednesday April 29, 2015 - Age of Ultron get back from the Attack on HYDRA Sokovia Base.
 * Saturday May 2, 2015 - Age of Ultron three days later is the party, "on Saturday."

Other movements from these new dates
 * August 19, 2002 - [June 28, 2002] Goes to Cusco, Peru.
 * August 20, 2002 - [June 29, 2002] Rescue in Peru. "11 years ago" from September 13, 2013.
 * September 1, 2006 - [July 14, 2006] Akela Amador. "7 years ago" from October 1, 2013.
 * September 4, 2006 - [July 17, 2006] Raid of the gulag.
 * June 22, 2008 - [March 25, 2008] Basra, Iraq. On June 1, 2014, they say "'08"
 * May 15, 2008 - [2008] Bahrain. "8 years ago" from April 21, 2015.
 * March 7, 2009 - [2009] Romanoff Winter Soldier incident, "5 years ago" from January 8, 2014.
 * December 18, 2009 - [2009] T.A.H.I.T.I. begins approximately 3 months before trials.
 * March 19, 2010 - The test patients go through T.A.H.I.T.I. approximately 1 month before they start going mad.
 * April 21, 2010 - Robbins declared dead. "5 years ago" from March 16, 2015.
 * August 12, 2010 - [March 16, 2010] Rescue Amador, "4 years" after September 1, 2006.
 * August 20, 2010 - [December 14, 2010] Reyes promoted. "3 years ago" from September 13, 2013.
 * June 11, 2011 - [February 18, 2011] Sierra Leone. "3 years aog" from June 1, 2014.
 * [October 25, 2011] - Momentum Labs.
 * April 15, 2012 - [February 6, 2012] Momentum Labs.
 * April 17, 2012 - [February 8, 2012] Momentum Labs.
 * April 21, 2012 - [February 12, 2012] Momentum Labs.
 * April 22, 2012 - [February 13, 2012] Attack on Reyes brothers. Momentum Labs.
 * April 23, 2012 - [February 14, 2012] Momentum Labs. Implied they spent 5 years in the box, before release on March 19, 2017.
 * June 7, 2012 - [June 4, 2012] Po incident "18 months ago" from December 2, 2013.