Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180707205737

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, sounds about right. I've finished the season and pretty much agree that neither 2016 or 2018 feel quite right. It's similar to how Daredevil: Season 2 felt like it couldn't decide when it took place. In any case, 2017 works out mostly fine, so that's settled at least. I've finished the season now as well. I finished it yesterday as well as watching Cloak & Dagger Episode 5. The only things I'm behind on now are Cloak & Dagger Episode 6, which I'll probably watch today, and Ant-Man and the Wasp (no option there).

I would add a couple more things to the 2017 evidence now, both from the finale: We got a couple of actual named "Trump" references this season, and that scene basically sealed it for me, when D.W. specifically refers to November 9th and a few lines later talks about Trump. It was clear that in the MCU now, at least a Trump-like figure was president, but yeah, in the MCU, Donald Trump is actually president.
 * When Misty hides behind a car in a shootout, the car again has a "18" registration sticker. I couldn't make out the month (perhaps will be able to with a HD screencap), but it would have to say 9, 10, 11, or 12 for it to work with it being September 2018, so there's basically a 67% chance it doesn't work with 2018.
 * D.W. says, "Personally, I haven't felt this weird since November 9th." This is a reference to Trump being elected (he actually even says "Trump" just after). Sure, you could say that it's now September 2018 and he's just referring to November 9, 2016 and knows they'll know what he means, but it would make a lot more sense for it to be September 2017, because then saying "since November 9th" automatically means November 9, 2016.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, although I suppose the Roxxon Oil Corporation can be considered a reference in and of itself, since it has appeared or been referenced in several movies and shows by this point. True, because Roxxon (which, like you say, gets referenced all over the place) got referenced in Daredevil: Season 2 after it was a big deal in Agent Carter: Season 1 the year before. So that's kind of an indirect reference in the Netflix shows to the non-Netflix shows.

We've had a few references in the non-Netflix shows to the Netflix shows, like the Judas bullets, and Daisy's mention of Micro retroactively becoming a Netflix reference (wasn't really intended that way I'm sure). But it's not often that the Netflix shows link in with the other shows.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Great, looking forward to it. I've got several things I can add to it, with the mid-'80s (it's not "mid 80's" Marvel, that apostrophe is bad grammar, come on...) date needing to be established, which will be linked in with younger actors playing Cottonmouth, Mariah, Ben Donovan, and Bushmaster. So we've got new factors like Ben Donovan and Bushmaster's ages and we've got new data for Cottonmouth, Mariah and Mama Mabel, and for Pistol Pete's murder.

1987, while quite far off from the previous estimate, actually sits reasonably well with me. I always felt the calculations made Cottonmouth too old by several years - it was just that I thought in the Manifest flashbacks that Mariah and Cornell were presented to be no more than about 10 years apart in age, despite the adult actors being over 21 years apart. But it looks like the age gap might actually be bigger than that, and that helps.

I was really impressed by the appearances of the characters in the mid-'80s flashbacks. I thought the actors playing young Bushmaster and young Ben Donovan absolutely looked like younger versions of their characters, it was uncanny. And with Anansi, I found myself going, "He looks so much like the present day actor that there's no way that's a different actor, yet he really does look about 30 years younger, so how can it possibly be the same actor? It doesn't look like CG deageing, it looks too natural and real, and you probably can't really do that on a TV budget, especially so well." I think it was the same actor, just made to look younger, but yeah, I thought they were all spot-on!

The Wikia Editor wrote: In order for Billy to have been born in August 1990 and 17 when he died is if the oil rig explosion happened between August 2007 and August 2008. However, the oil rig schematics, assuming they were revised before the explosion, place the explosion in or after September 2008, after Billy would have had his 18th birthday.

We've now had 2 seperate references to Billy being 17 at his time of death (perhaps more in Episode 6, which I haven't seen yet), so we can at least be firmly confident in that. We'll have to see which way the timeline ends up going when the season concludes. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, I saw that someone managed to get a better close up image of the wikipedia page. Still, it does place the explosion a bit closer to 2009 than 2007.

I agree that Billy and Tyrone's dates of birth on those milk cartons are a bit less reliable since it's only in a vision, although Billy's year of birth is so blurry that I honestly can't tell if it's "08", "09" or "00". Still, even if the years are wrong, the months and days could still be right. Meaning that Billy could have been born on February 13 and Tyrone could have been born on August 19. It will ultimately depend on when the oil rig explosion was. I think Billy's date of birth on the carton can just be discarded, I'm fairly certain that it is "2/13/02". The August 1, 1990 date is much more likely.

But yeah, this show's timeline is all just a mess. Hopefully it clears up a bit before the end of the season, but if not, we'll just have to do our best.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's seems coincidental, no mention of the oil rig explosion was made on Caruthers' page. The Wikia Editor wrote: They're just extra notes, I figured that I might as well mention them since I was looking at the files in that scene anyway. Right yeah, I was only asking because I hadn't seen the episode and didn't know whether your notes were meant to imply anything more than what you said - I wasn't suspecting that there was a link. Good to get extra notes, I just didn't know if you meant to imply anything significant.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's kinda weird. O'Reilly clicks on a narcotics file dated "02/18/2010" but when the file opens, the date listed within is "02/22/2011".

It's possible that the later date is when the file was updated, since it appears to be talking about the events with the implication that it happened a while ago.

Also, all of these files are about Connors' activities as a Vice officer, which he became after Billy's death. As such, it places Billy's death sometime before February 15, 2010 (the earliest narcotics file visible on screen). This show continues to find new ways to confuse us with its dates. But 2011 being the date it was updated is a good explanation, I like that - there's no way the show is taking place in 2019.

Thanks for pointing that out about Billy's death, I've started to get a little bit lost with minor characters like Connors and Scarborough and Caruthers and so didn't pick up on the significance of it. Will have to pay a bit more attention on my rewatch.

The Wikia Editor wrote: My mistake, I misunderstood. No worries, no worries. There is, I guess, a slight implication from Nandi's comment that O'Reilly left Harlem during the time that Misty wasn't at the precinct, between May 2016 and August 2017. That would, in turn, perhaps add to evidence for Cloak & Dagger being 2017 or 2018. There's also the implication with the dialogue with O'Reilly that she's not been in New Orleans for too long. But again, the references don't matter too much, there's a lot of wiggle room.

We're now in March in Cloak & Dagger with the state finals occurring in Episode 5. I'll have a more specific look at exact dates once we have a better idea of the year, since otherwise I'll just be going, "Well, if it's 2015 the Friday is this date, if it's 2016 the Friday is this date, if it's 2017..." etc..

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, if the majority of shows take place after Infinity War then that's obviously in conflict with the "for the most part" statement.

They also seem to be leaning towards placing Cloak and Dagger: Season 1 in February-March 2018, which only further conflicts with Jeph Loeb's statement. Well, it looks like February-March 2018 might not actually conflict with Infinity War now.

I'll get back onto The Comic Board soon. Now that I'm caught up on Luke Cage and about to be caught up on Cloak & Dagger, I don't need to worry about those, I'm just kinda scared of Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers. Last time I went on, DIrishB had made a post which included the spoiler tag coding, except he'd missed a letter or a square bracket or something and so it had come out normally. I'd been reading and then got to "[spoiler]the mid-credits scene of Ant-Man and the Wasp" and I had to immediately scroll up as fast as I could to avoid it. I don't know if he's corrected the coding of the post, but since that happened about last week, and with me focusing on the wiki and catching up on the shows, I decided to avoid the thread. If it's safe to go on there, I might have a read and put in a word basically analysing a full list of the evidence for Luke Cage and the evidence for Cloak & Dagger, like I've done on here.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I've previously suggested that we might add a timeskip between Episodes 18 and 19 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5.

Evidence for this is the fact that Deke's broken arm seems to have been healed by the time of the last few episodes.

The time it takes for a broken arm to heal varies depending on the exact location and severity of the injury. However, these sites seem to place the average recovery period around 4-10 weeks. Although it can be much longer as well, sometimes several months even.

Also, Yo-Yo's arms were fixed in between episodes and someone mentioned that it could conceivably have taken Fitz and Simmons a while to make it work properly with her powers.

I admit that Episode 19 doesn't quite feel like it takes place months later, since the agents are still arguing about what happened with Ruby. But, if necessary, we might be able to place a timeskip that allows Episode 19-22 (and Infinity War) to occur in, for example, May 2018. That's possible. The evidence for Episodes 18 and 19 being close together is stronger than the evidence for Episodes 13 and 14 being close together, so it's easier to insert a gap between 13 and 14. If a gap were inserted between 18 and 19, it could only really be a few days max., with it being very strongly implied that they've come straight from the events of Episode 18. If a few months' gap becomes necessary between 13 and 14, I would say that there's not too much point inserting a few days' gap between 18 and 19 just to get 14 slightly closer to 13, because honestly, when you get to a few months, what's the difference really between the 13-14 gap being about 170ish days or it being 165ish days?

I'd like to hear what exactly the dialogue is in Ant-Man and the Wasp, if they specifically say "days" or even more specifically say like "3 days", or if it's more of an "I've very nearly completed my house arrest," which allows a bit more leniency.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's in Episode 11. Like I said the actual date of death is blurred out, but the date in which the report was made is very clearly visible. Yeah, seen it now. Both the mid-'80s flashback and the file appear in the episode, and like you say, there's the "4/13/1987" file (I'm not entirely sure how Marvelous saw "6/16", I thought it was fairly clear, sorry Marvelous😉😂) and then the blurred "approx. ??/??/????" date of death. The fact that the date of death they've put on the file is an approximate might suggest that maybe Pete had been dead for a few days when his body was found - I imagine the closer to his death, the more accurately they could have pinpointed his date of death. But yeah, April 1987.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Well, I haven't seen it yet nor have I seen spoilers of it. But after seeing it, I'll make sure to avoid posting any kind of spoilers. Thank you so much! Sorry this is a bit of a pain, but I can't really do much about it, and I don't really want to spoil it for myself or pirate it.

The Wikia Editor wrote: We're all glad to have you back. :) Thank you so much!

MrRLopez wrote: When I saw Ant-Man and The Wasp  I got the impresion that there is a litte time jump between the end of the movie and the mid-credit scene. The characters enjoy their "peace" time after all the action, the "Drive-in theatre" scene takes place at night so at least one day between the end of the movie and the mid-credit scene. (That's me not wanting to spoil anything XD) Thanks for not spoiling. Well, because we basically want Infinity War to be as early as possible, we don't really want much of a time jump between the events of Ant-Man and the Wasp and the events of Infinity War - we want to minimise it. But gaps in time can still help generally, allowing us a bit more flexibility if, for example, the events of Ant-Man and the Wasp said that they ended on a Saturday, and then they, say, showed the finger snap soon after, but we know it's on a Thursday.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Jessica Jones Season 3 has started filming so it probably won't be too long since Season 2. Moving Infinity War a bit months later is now a "priority". January does not work anymore. I would say February-march 2018. Also I think we are not going to get a Snap mention on this season.

Alice Eve said that Iron Fist Season 2 was shot during late Winter. So late 2017 seems plausible seeing how Netflix shows works.

Moving Infinity War a bit later helps for Runaways Season 2 placement.

Captain Marvel is likely going to be set on 1993. A 25 years de-aged Samuel Jackson from Infinity War. Same for Clark Gregg. It works with early 1990s. I guessed it would start filming reasonably soon with the announcement that Krysten Ritter would direct an episode, but I didn't think it would be this soon. I was kind of hoping that they would take a bit more time, allowing them more preparation for the season (after I found Season 2 a bit disappointing) and also to give us a season of something new after The Punisher: Season 2. But looks like it will be the next release after The Punisher: Season 2 then, around this time next year. A much faster turnaround than it was between Season 1 and Season 2.

I hope we do get something new and don't just stick to the constant cycle of these 4 or 5 shows. It will help to keep these Netflix shows a bit more fresh. Or just take a bit of a break after Jessica Jones: Season 2 - the seasons don't need to be like every 3 months, it feels a bit much and like it is putting some people off.

Moving Infinity War will have to be you guys, because I can't look at the 2018 page sadly, as I've mentioned in my spoiler thing. Marvelous, are you alright with this?: BEJT wrote: So basically, any edits I make to January 10th, you would then transfer to the 2018 page and apply correspondingly to June 20th or whatever date.
 * I will have to edit the 2018 page a lot in the next month. However, people are going to be editing the 2018 page with Ant-Man and the Wasp spoilers, and the events could even very well be happening in the same section as Infinity War, which is the section I'll be editing. This is where Marvelous helping comes in. I'm going to copy the 2018 page, as it stands, into the Phase Three user page, and edit there. Marvelous, if I make an edit saying "2018 edit - Correcting AoS Episode 19" or something like that, could you then copy and paste it into the correct section on the actual 2018 page, with the description, "BEJT can't check the page because he is avoiding AMatW spoilers. His edit: Correcting AoS Episode 19", replacing the "Correcting AoS Episode 19" part with whatever my description is for that particular edit, basically using the template "BEJT can't check the page because he is avoiding AMatW spoilers. His edit: [X, Y, Z]"? That would be great, because it allows me to edit 2018 without stumbling upon spoilers. Hope it's not a big ask.

We already knew Iron Fist: Season 2 filmed then - it was December 6, 2017-May 10, 2018. I incorporated that into my timeline predictions section of the Predicting Marvel Netflix Release Dates blog.

Moving Infinity War would indeed probably help a little bit with Runaways: Season 2. I guess that's one positive to look at.

And yeah, as I've mentioned in the previous reply, Captain Marvel is pretty much definitely somewhere between 1991 and 1994, and absolutely definitely between 1990 and 1995.