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BEJT wrote: Started writing this before Shabook's response so I'll send it anyway.

That comment was also later shot down. There was a mess of back-and-forth quotes in 2017 regarding Venom.


 * March 28, 2017, Fandango talking to Jon Watts:
 * Fandango: "Sony just announced a Venom movie - is that connected to your film at all?"
 * Watts: "It's not. It's not connected to the Marvel world, so that's really intriguing... what that will be. I don't know anything about it. It's not connected, so there's not that overlap. I'm only focused on my movie right now."
 * June 13, 2017, AlloCiné talking to Kevin Feige:
 * Feige: "There is no plan for Venom in the MCU. It's a Sony project."
 * June 18, 2017, Filmstarts talking to Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal:
 * Pascal: "Well, all those movies will all take place in the world that we're now creating for, for, yanno, for Peter Parker. I mean, it'll, they'll be adjuncts to it, they may be different locations, but it will still all be in the same world and they will be connected to each other as well."
 * Feige, meanwhile, is looking uncomfortable and clearly not in agreement.
 * Filmstarts: "So there is a chance that Tom Holland as Spider-Man will pop up somewhere?"
 * Pascal: "There's a chance!"
 * Filmstarts: "There's always a chance."
 * Pascal: "There's always a chance!"
 * June 22, 2017, Tom Holland at a Spider-Man: Homecoming press conference:
 * Holland: "It's very exciting. I think Tom Hardy will really play that character with a lot of energy, a lot of life, and it could be a very cool movie. It's not something that I know I will be involved in. As of now, I'm just focusing on Spider-Man 1 and just a little bit of Avengers, but yeah, I don't know anything about that movie."
 * June 24, 2017, JoBlo talking to Kevin Feige:
 * Feige: "Right now, Spidey is in the MCU and it's just Spidey. Civil War, Homecoming, we've already shot a lot of Tom Holland's scenes in the upcoming Avengers films, and we're just starting to solidify our plans for Homecoming 2 - we won't call it that, whatever it is - which is exciting because it'll be the first MCU movie after Untitled Avengers in 2019. It'll be the way Civil War informed everything in Homecoming, those movies will launch him off into a very new cinematic universe at that point. Those five movies are what we're focusing on. [Sony] have rights to other characters, and I think they're being very smart in saying, "We have to make a great Venom movie." They're off to a good start hiring Tom Hardy."
 * June 24, 2017, Comicbook.com talking to Tom Holland:
 * Comicbook.com: "Do you have any in mind that you're like, "I really want to work with this villain." Maybe Tom Hardy's Venom?"
 * Holland: "Everyone's asking this question... it's never happening."
 * June 25, 2017, Fandango talking to Amy Pascal:
 * Pascal: "Everyone seems to have totally misunderstood what I said, and I'm so glad for a chance to say it. All the characters are a part of the Marvel comic-book universe, and they're all interrelated in that universe. Spider-Man is now part of the MCU, as he was created to be in the beginning. The other things that Sony are doing, which are characters from the Marvel comic-book universe, are independent, separate franchises. Both Venom and Silver Sable and Black Cat."
 * June 25, 2017, Comicbook.com talking to Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal:
 * Pascal: "Here's what we're doing: all these characters are a part of the Marvel comic-book universe. In that universe, they are all related to each other. Kevin makes characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These characters are separate, except for Spidey, who belongs in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is why he's there."
 * Feige: "It was my dream to be a meme."
 * Pascal: "Can you please clear it up! I'm gonna be famous for mixing things up. That's what I wanted! I'm gonna be famous for f***ing up this whole thing."
 * June 26, 2017, Collider talking to Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal:
 * Collider: "Can Spider-Man be in an establishing shot swinging by in the Venom movie or does that immediately make him a part of the MCU, if you put that in there?"
 * Feige: "I think, if it looks like the MCU Spider-Man, that would probably be the case, since that probably is smart. I think what they're doing is smart in saying, "How do we make a great Venom movie?" and as I've already said, I don't know much about it, but I know they started with casting Tom Hardy, which is pretty smart."
 * Pascal: "It's pretty smart."
 * Collider: "Just to be definitive, Spider-Man will not appear in any of these spin-offs for now."
 * Pascal: "For now, correct. All of them are part of the Marvel comic universe. Not all of them are part of Marvel Cinematic Universe."
 * Collider: "I'm of the opinion that you guys are making all these spin-offs at Sony where there's gonna be these other characters, whatever it may be, all of those are in the same universe. Spidey will not be there until maybe he's out of the Marvel universe and then who the hell knows what happens."
 * Pascal: "I would say, "Who the hell knows what happens.""
 * June 27, 2017, HeyUGuys talking to Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal.
 * HeyUGuys: "Can you see him appearing in, in more and more films, obviously we've got Venom and Silver & Black as well, and they're sort of, not in the MCU as such but can we see him...?"
 * Pascal: "Well, they are tangential, because, because they take place in the world that this Spider-Man lives in."
 * HeyUGuys: "So might we see him in Venom and Silver & Black."
 * Pascal: "Don't know!"
 * June 27, 2017, SlashReport.com report that Scorpion will appear in Silver & Black, due at the time to be the next film in this universe. Scorpion appeared in Spider-Man: Homecoming, suggesting this is the same universe. It was never said that it would be the same actor.
 * June 28, 2017, FANDOM talking to Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal:
 * Pascal: "First, there is Spider-Man happily in the place where he's supposed to be which is in the Marvel universe. I think everything comes from that. This is the signpost, the tentpole, the signature and [...] the other movies that Sony's going to make, in their relationship to this [MCU] Spider-Man, take place in this [separate Sony] world. Although you're not going to see them in the Marvel universe, it's in the same reality."
 * Feige: "The perfect answer."
 * July 5, 2017, Collider talking to Tom Holland:
 * Collider: "I have to ask you, there's been a lot of conjecture online about whether or not Spider-Man and Venom can be in the same movie..."
 * Holland: "Yes..."
 * Collider: "... What's Sony, what's Marvel? All that stuff, so, from what I understand, Venom: separate universe from Spider-Man, but is that true, is that not true, what's the thing?"
 * Holland: "Sadly, I think that is true. From my understanding, I think that is the case. You know, I'd love to make a movie with Tom Hardy, and if we ever got the chance to make a Venom movie together, that would be super-cool. But his movie would have to take place in the MCU because I'm not giving up my ticket in the MCU."
 * Collider: "Exactly, so my thing is that, I'm wondering, can you like swing by in like an establishing shot in the Venom movie, or is that like, does that establishing shot alone make Venom immediately in the MCU?"
 * Holland: "It would, it definitely would, and I mean we'll have to wait and see what happens but as of now I know nothing about it."

But ultimately, while Pascal's comments were messy, Feige wanted it to be known that these were not MCU. And as Shabook says, he's recently still called them different cinematic universes, as well as referring to it as "their universe". Got it, my bad!