Thread:Marvelus/@comment-26838855-20190116120806/@comment-26838855-20190514033946

Multiverse (The Wikia Editor)
The Wikia Editor wrote: A person in the comment section of that clip made an interesting point. Mysterio refers to the MCU as "Earth Dimension 616" while referring to his own world as simply "Earth-833".

The person stated that it could be interpreted that the Dimension in which the MCU Earth is located is numbered 616, but the reality as a whole is still designated Earth-199999.

Under this interpretation, we could say, for example, that the Mandelibus Dimension is Dimension 614, the Dark Dimension is Dimension 615, and so on.

It's the best explanation in my opinion. The MCU Earth is located in Dimension 616 of Earth-199999. I don't think the difference between the two comments was intended as anything more than "Let's not make Gyllenhaal say "Earth Dimension" in full twice", but perhaps - sort of like he's saying, "You're from Earth(-199999): Dimension 616, while I'm from Earth-833(: Dimension ###)." Though that would rely on Mysterio being from the same Earth-833 as the one in the comics which seems unlikely and opens up a whole can of worms.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Agreed, it's likely that it'll just be used as the set up of the villains' origin stories in the film and to set up future storylines. Yeah. I'm seeing it as kind of like The Flash, where Season 1 ends with a rift opening to other dimensions and that sets up the source of all the new villains in Season 2.

Spider-Man: Far from Home (The Wikia Editor)
The Wikia Editor wrote: The way I see it, people would be looking for someone to serve as a beacon of hope for a world that's still recovering from everything that's happened.

In terms of someone literally becoming the new Iron Man, I'd prefer Riri Williams/Ironheart, although she's admittedly a somewhat controversial figure among the fanbase. Yeah, he's definitely his own character, and I think the whole needing a new Iron Man thing is definitely going to lead to, "No. I will work in his memory, but I'm my own person."

I'm happy for an Iron Man follow-up like Ironheart, but would appreciate some years before that happens to let Iron Man's death settle.

Avengers: Endgame (Marvelus)
Marvelus wrote: Oh. Thanks for the grammar correction 😂 but in the article I linked they wrote: "2014 Thanos time travelled to 2019."

I have seen a lot of YouTune videos saying Endgame is set in 2019, 2022 and 2024 and is annoying. Don't worry about it, your English is impressive, I just thought it was funny in the context.

Really? I've mostly seen 2023. I've seen a little bit of 2019 (people just really not thinking) and a little bit of 2024 (people just doing the classic "Every film as it comes out is set in real time, even if it's immediately after the last one that released a year ago because I'm just not going to think that far back" and doing 2019 + 5). Haven't seen any 2022, guessing that's from the few people who still believe in that timeline from a few months ago. Luckily, most people seem to have ditched that timeline, which makes me happy. And yeah, the vast majority I've seen are getting this right. I mean, if they paid attention to the film, they say it's "9 years" after "2014" as well.

I also mentioned before that I am much less nervous about the film timeline moving forwards, as this move, intentionally putting the films out of real time, means that the films are going to be more conscious for the next 5ish years (assuming they allow the real world to catch up with the timeline by around 2024) of the present day events' dates and not slip up by blindly putting props and things that suggest a present day placement when a film should actually be set a year or two in the past. Particularly much less worried about the Spider-Man films. Was scared of 2019 evidence, but now I'm much more confident that if there's timeline stuff, it'll be intentional, placing in 2023.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6 (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
 * exasperated Jessica Jones grunt* People who haven't even seen Loeb's comments are already making memes about AoS no longer being canon because either Season 6 hasn't referenced the Snap 1 episode in, or (which is particularly stupid as it would lock AoS into a predetermined path for the next 4 years) because Daisy was not in the final battle of Endgame.

And I am so tired of SHIELD fans using the whole "time travel sent them to an alternate present" excuse to justify this. No, they started in the main MCU and they returned to the main MCU.

Just like the Avengers traveled from the MCU into their past and caused splinter timelines, then returned to the main MCU, the Agents traveled from the MCU into their future, then returned to the main MCU and caused the future to splinter into a timeline by changing it.

While I'm cautiously hopeful that Briana Venskus' tweet means they're adding in an Infinity War/Endgame reference (after all, the episodes may have been filmed last year, but they haven't aired any besides the first yet. They could always reshoot a scene in a later episode with dialogue referencing the Snap, or set the groundwork for Mysterio's claims being believable in Far From Home.) Thank you, yes, there is no way they ended up in an alternate timeline.

The only way that theory works is if it were revealed that the new timeline the agents created is in fact not the same timeline the films flowed into, and the films continued to follow the timeline destined for the dystopian 2091. But that doesn't work, because the Earth would've been destroyed during Infinity War, and also because it means there's a second timeline in which Thanos didn't win - this new Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. timeline - and we know there's only one. Plus there's no reason why the agents saving the world would've stopped Thanos.

Mrmichaelt wrote: True. I guess Enoch's line is one of those that will have to packed up and revisited after the season 6 finale and whatever relevant timeline data about IW/EG that can be gleaned from Far From Home. I'm drawing up a list of all the evidence for this problem, having rewatched Season 5, Part 2 for write-ups and noted any specifics for why the gap seems to be short. When I go back and finish that last bit of The Punisher: Season 2 in the next couple of days, I can factor that in, and produce a full list, but Season 6 may provide some more details considering it's an exact year on from "weeks" after Season 5, as well as Far from Home. Not sure when the decision should be made, if we look at all the available evidence now and make a decision for the time being, wait as long as July for Far from Home, or August for the end of Season 6. I guess we'll just take it as it comes.

Personal Update (additional)
In the past few weeks I worked really hard on write-ups and checks. I got all of Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 onto the timeline (including checking and finalising all the dates and writing up the long placement reference from the updated evidence breakdown I sent recently) and the beginning of Luke Cage: Season 2 (thank you to Marvelus for the initial write-ups), as well as going back and finishing off Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5, which a user had said they would write so I had left behind but then they couldn't do it anymore. The write-ups are now done as far as August 2018. Making some overall progress, though will not be working much in the next couple of weeks due to exams.

I've also done the calculations for the linear order of the Cloak & Dagger: Season 2, Episode 2 events (this show has far too many nonlinear episodes), and semi-done the draft notes for Episodes 4-6, though they're not done and posted yet.

I will finish off The Punisher: Season 2 and any last bits of clean-up over writing my conclusions in notes with Daredevil: Season 3 and Runaways: Season 2 shortly.

A user also kindly provided images of the hard-to-find Iron Man: Limited Edition and Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic comics. I don't really care for the inspired canon comics that don't really count, other than when they provide timeline guidance (evidence that is expendable but as helpful as, for example, a comment from someone who made a film) but the wiki puts them on the timeline and the user very much wanted to see them on the timeline as soon as possible, so I've worked out those placements and put them on now. I thought I'd leave my calculation notes here, just so they're archived somewhere:

There are three tiers of canon here. There's the official canon comics, there's the inspired canon comics, and there's a comic that was inspired and now should be non-canon but has just not yet been named as such.

The inspired canon comics should not influence the official canon comics' placement. They should be extricable from the timeline without impacting the official canon. So the official canon comics should be placed first between Iron Man and Iron Man 2, then the inspired canon comics between the official canon comics, then finally place that last comic which frankly should disappear soon and not affect things.

OK so we have the official canon comics: First, the ones attached to Iron Man and Iron Man 2: Next, Iron Man 2: Public Identity: So we have: as the three tent-poles. The final official canon comic:
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who - released April 23, 2010.
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm - released April 28, 2010.
 * Iron Man 2: Public Identity - middle/average released May 5, 2010.
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity - released May 5, 2010.
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm is set right after "I am Iron Man", so November 25, 2009, through to the evening, approximately 18:00 L.A. time, so ends November 26, 2009 02:00 UTC. It can, rather than being its own comic, be treated as part of Iron Man for the purposes of these calculations.
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity is set in the lead-up to Iron Man 2. She is hired, then about a week passes, then another day and that day is when she meets Tony, so May 21, 2010, making her hiring May 13, 2010. Approximately midday L.A. would make it 19:00 UTC. The opening is dealing with the Ten Rings maybe about 12 hours earlier. Best guess it's around Afghanistan, so 19:13-04:25 nighttime, so 14:43-23:55 UTC, around 19:19 UTC. So about 24 hours before then, begins May 12, 2010 19:00 UTC. It can, rather than being its own comic, be treated as part of Iron Man 2 for the purposes of these calculations, though Iron Man 2 begins earlier than it - around May 7, 2010 22:00 UTC.
 * Iron Man 2: Public Identity.
 * It takes place over approximately 5.5 days. Its first scene is daytime and apparently near-ish to Manhattan, so approximately 12:00 New York, 17:00 UTC. It finishes around midnight Malibu time, so 08:00 UTC, 5.5 days later.
 * It finishes several hours after the scene where Tony confronts Ross, which is about 1.5 hours after sunrise California, so about 07:30 California, 15:30 UTC. This scene is "3 months" after November 25, 2009 06:15ish California, so ([February 15, 2010 00:00 California] * 1 + [February 25, 2009 06:15 California] * 2) / 3 = February 21, 2010 20:10 California, so February 22, 2010 04:10 UTC.
 * Closest 15:30 UTC is February 22, 2010 15:30 UTC.
 * So, comic set February 17, 2010 17:00 UTC-February 23, 2010 08:00 UTC.
 * 1) Iron Man (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm)
 * 2) Iron Man 2: Public Identity
 * 3) Iron Man 2 (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity)
 * Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who.
 * It is set in this period between Iron Man films, and was released before Iron Man 2: Public Identity so should be set between Iron Man and Iron Man 2: Public Identity.
 * February 17, 2010 17:00 UTC - November 26, 2009 02:00 UTC = 83.625 days. The comic spans about 4 hours, leaving about 83.45833 days' gap.
 * Splitting in two, 41.72917 days of gap from Iron Man and before Iron Man 2: Public Identity places the comic around January 6, 2010 19:30 UTC-23:30 UTC (middle 21:30 UTC).
 * The beginning is nighttime in Aden, Yemen. 18:10-06:00, so about 00:05 Yemen, 21:05 (- 3 hours) UTC. So it's set 21:05 UTC-01:05 UTC (middle 23:05 UTC).
 * The closest 23:05 UTC to January 6, 2010 21:30 UTC is January 6, 2010 23:05 UTC.
 * So, the comic should be set around January 6, 2010 21:05 UTC-January 7, 2010 01:05 UTC.

So we now have to place: With: as the four tent-poles. January 6, 2010 21:05 UTC - November 26, 2009 02:00 UTC = 41.79514 days. The comic's span is unknown as it has not been found for reading yet, so we can only approximate the midpoint and treat it as 0 hours long, leaving 41.79514 days' gap.
 * Iron Man 2: Security Breach - released April 1, 2010.
 * Iron Man: Limited Edition - released May 3, 2010.
 * Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic - released November 30, 2010.
 * Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron - released February 1, 2011.
 * 1) Iron Man (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm)
 * 2) Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who
 * 3) Iron Man 2: Public Identity
 * 4) Iron Man 2 (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity)
 * Iron Man 2: Security Breach.
 * It is set in this period between Iron Man films, and was released before Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who so should be set between Iron Man and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who.
 * Splitting in two, 20.89757 days of gap from Iron Man and before Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who places the comic around December 16, 2009 23:32.5 UTC.
 * Iron Man: Limited Edition.
 * It was released after Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who and before Iron Man 2: Public Identity, so should be set then as well.
 * February 17, 2010 17:00 UTC - January 7, 2010 01:05 UTC = 41.66319 days. The comic spans about 1 minute + "twenty minutes later" + 13 minutes + "five minutes later" + 20 minutes of travel + "one minute later" + 5 minutes + "five minutes later" = 70 minutes, 1.16667 hours, leaving about 41.61458 days' gap.
 * Splitting in two, 20.80729 days of gap from Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who and before Iron Man 2: Public Identity places the comic around January 27, 2010 20:28 UTC-21:38 UTC (middle 21:03 UTC).
 * It takes place in daytime Malibu. 06:28-17:47, so about 12:08 Malibu, 20:05 UTC. So it's set 19:30-20:40 UTC (middle 20:05 UTC).
 * The closest 20:05 UTC to January 27, 2010 21:03 UTC is January 27, 2010 20:05 UTC.
 * So, the comic should be set around January 27, 2010 19:30-20:40 UTC.
 * Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic and Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron.
 * These are set in this period between Iron Man films, and were released after Iron Man 2: Public Identity so should be set between Iron Man 2: Public Identity and Iron Man 2.
 * May 7, 2010 22:00 UTC - February 23, 2010 08:00 UTC = 73.58333 days. Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic spans about 220 miles of racing at about 145mph, so 1.5 hours, and Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron spans about 2 hours, leaving about 73.4375 days' gap.
 * Splitting in three, 24.47917 days of gap from Iron Man 2: Public Identity places Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic around March 19, 2010 19:30 UTC-21:00 UTC (middle 20:15 UTC) and 24.47917 days of gap from then and before Iron Man 2 places Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron around April 13, 2010 08:30 UTC-10:30 UTC (middle 09:30 UTC).
 * Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic takes place in daytime Western Ghats India. 06:06-18:53, so about 12:30 Western Ghats India, 07:00 UTC. So it's set 06:15-07:45 UTC (middle 07:00 UTC). Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron takes place in daytime Germany. 05:52-20:51, so about 13:22 Germany, 11:22 UTC. So it's set 10:22-12:22 UTC (middle 11:22 UTC).
 * The closest 07:00 UTC to March 19, 2010 20:15 UTC is March 20, 2010 07:00 UTC. The closest 11:22 UTC to April 13, 2010 09:30 UTC is April 13, 2010 11:22 UTC.
 * So, Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic should be set around March 20, 2010 06:15-07:45 UTC, and Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron should be set around April 13, 2010 10:22-12:22 UTC.
 * Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic would therefore begin March 20, 2010 07:15 Dresden time. Therefore the "3 months earlier" Dresden scene would be ([December 16, 2009 12:00 Dresden] * 1 + [December 20, 2010 07:15 Dresden] * 2) / 3 = December 19, 2010 00:50 Dresden, December 18, 2010 23:50 UTC.

Finally: With: as the eight tent-poles.
 * Iron Man: Will Online Evils Prevail? - released April 10, 2010.
 * 1) Iron Man (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm)
 * 2) Iron Man 2: Security Breach
 * 3) Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who
 * 4) Iron Man: Limited Edition
 * 5) Iron Man 2: Public Identity
 * 6) Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic
 * 7) Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron
 * 8) Iron Man 2 (and Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity)
 * Iron Man: Will Online Evils Prevail?.
 * It was released after Iron Man 2: Security Breach and before Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who, so should be set then as well.
 * January 6, 2010 21:05 UTC - December 16, 2009 23:32.5 UTC = 20.89757 days. The comic spans about 3 days (not going to work out the specifics for this comic), leaving about 17.89757 days' gap.
 * Splitting in two, 8.94879 days of gap from Iron Man 2: Security Breach and before Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who places the comic around December 25-28, 2009.
 * The comic shouldn't take place over Christmas, so can be shifted to December 27-30, 2009.

So:
 * 1) November 25, 2009 - Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Phil Coulson: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Just Off the Farm
 * 2) December 16, 2009 - Iron Man 2: Security Breach
 * 3) December 27-30, 2009 - Iron Man: Will Online Evils Prevail?
 * 4) January 6, 2010 - Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Who Made Who
 * 5) January 27, 2010 - Iron Man: Limited Edition
 * 6) February 17-23, 2010 - Iron Man 2: Public Identity
 * 7) March 20, 2010 - Iron Man Royal Purple Custom Comic
 * 8) April 13, 2010 - Iron Man 2: Fist of Iron
 * 9) May 12-21, 2010 - Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Iron Man 2 - Black Widow: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Proximity