Talk:S.H.I.E.L.D.

General Improvement
Ok, we all know that this article, though very big, needs many modifications. First of all, as you can see here, large parts of the article are simply copied from other articles (Nick Fury, Phil Coulson, Black Widow). That has to be changed. As for the subsections in the History section, they also need to be changed, not all of them, but many. This is how I'm proposing this to look. Any more ideas?--UskokHail HYDRA! 07:22, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. The content of this page should be incorporated into the article.--UskokHail HYDRA! 08:06, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Might want to add a section for the "Defeat of the Clairvoyant"... ~Silverstream (talk) 10:47, October 27, 2014 (UTC)Silverstream
 * Well, that would be the "Final Victory" subsection.--UskokHail HYDRA! 10:54, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

The Layout looks great, in a first view, almost every depiction of S.H.I.E.L.D., except the small mission to deal with the Ten Rings shown in Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Maybe some of the sections need a new name, the most obvious one is changing "Kidnapping of Coulson" to "Kidnapping of Phil Coulson". But what this article really needs is someone with time to actually write, because there have been many articles, not only this one, just copy-pasted from another such as this that was a bad copy of the Sana Amanat, or the Battle of Hong Kong that has been simply copied from the Hong Kong section... I can't start another massive writing until I finish de-stubbing the articles about locations.Shabook (talk) 10:57, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll try to start something, though I'm very busy with other projects. However, if someone wants to edit the page without being disturbed, he/she should put this template at the top of the article.--UskokHail HYDRA! 13:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Noelle Walters was (deceased) a field agent of the new S.H.I.E.L.D.Bratpack (talk) 23:03, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * S.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters was a former headquarters of S.H.I.E.L.D. before the Triskelion or the Helicarrier. Was the Helicarrier a headquarters? Bratpack (talk) 11:21, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say so, it was the main HQ during the War for Earth, having everything S.H.I.E.L.D. needed from weapons, to labs, to aircraft. In the film, it was designed to act as in the comics, a mobile HQ for S.H.I.E.L.D.Shabook (talk) 11:31, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe some sort of mobile headquarters in case of an alien invasion. BTW, for those who want to know, I'll need approximately two weeks to improve the article.--UskokHail HYDRA! 11:34, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

In the secret bases section, don't forget about Billy Koenig naming the Playground (The Beginning of the End). This slightly confuses me because what was it called when the SSR had it? I wanted the Rat and the Playground to be the same but seems illogical after thinking about the events in "Things We Bury."Bratpack (talk) 22:38, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Old Logo vs Modern Logo
I never understood why do we use use the the Badge Symbol instead of the most common SHIELD Symbol like this one here? Shouldn't it be replaced?--Blaublau94 (talk) 10:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * We need some pic like this.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 15:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here it is--Blaublau94 (talk) 18:46, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * The modern logo is only a commonly used variant, the badge logo is the official logo which is used on all official documents, agent ID badges and other official items. I personally believe that the modern variant should only be used to represent S.H.I.E.L.D. in Faction vs Faction conflicts to represent Coulson's Faction as neither faction was really the true successor of S.H.I.E.L.D. alone. The original badge logo has regained official use since the unification of the two factions. NickM98 (talk) 10:40, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you seen any badge after the reunification of S.H.I.E.L.D.? You haven't, no one has. How can you know the badge logo is "now official"?--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 10:52, May 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying the that the badge is "now official", it has always been official, just not commonly seen on-screen. In "Scars", when Hunter is drawing spikes and fangs onto Raina's S.H.I.E.L.D. profile picture, the badge logo can be seen. This file was likely made after she was imprisoned in "The Magical Place", which was set in late-2013 before the HYDRA Infiltration. The badge logo is seen in "T.A.H.I.T.I." when Garret holds up a document with his orders on it, the bsdge logo is in the corner. The badge logo is also seen in the Fridge when Garret and Ward raid it in "Providence", soon after the HYDRA Infiltration (seen on agent uniforms, wall signage, door and lock system to the Slingshot storage facility, etc.). It's also seen on thermal gear worn by Coulson's Team in "Providence" as well. Agent ID cards and badges, along with ID lanyards distributed by the Koenig brothers have the badge logo on them as well. So we can safely assume that the badge logo was in official use until S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsed.


 * I now believe that the modern variant is definitely the only one currently used by S.H.I.E.L.D. after the Coulson-Gonzales unification in "Scars", however, the badge logo was the official (but largely unseen) logo until the collapse of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Therefore, any events that involved S.H.I.E.L.D. before the HYDRA infiltration should contain the badge logo, but all events afterwards (including Coulson's Faction) should use the modern logo. NickM98 (talk) 11:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * The modern logo was much more used than the badge logo after the events of The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Week, which means the badge logo was largely abandoned in favor of the modern logo. It is assumable Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D. would continue to use the same old logo which was mostly used before the collapse of the original S.H.I.E.L.D., which is the modern logo.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 14:00, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay then, I will agree with you there in that regard. However, I still personally prefer the badge logo as an official logo based on its appearances in AoS. NickM98 (talk) 10:40, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * If the modern logo is used much more than the old one as you guys say (I hadn't noticed), then I agree that it should be updated.~Silverstream (talk) 11:24, May 14, 2015 (UTC)Silverstream

Infobox Logo
Concerning the S.H.I.E.L.D. insignia used in the infobox; I believe that this version should be used instead of the currently used clean variant. This is because the suggested version has the organisation name surrounding the eagle which improves aesthetics of the beginning of the article and gives an "official" status compared to the commonly used (and easy to use) clean variant (just because a logo is the most common one, does not make it the one designated for more official usage). When the old badge logo was used, the version with the organisation name surrounded it too, and in The Winter Soldier, a box of S.H.I.E.L.D. files is marked with the modern logo that has the organisation name surrounding the eagle. This is why my suggested version (which I see as the primary logo, the others are just variants) should be used in place of the clean variant. NickM98 (talk) 10:40, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * We use the latest images in the infoboxes in our characters articles. Why should we do differently in this case?--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 15:33, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * How is my suggestion not one of the latest versions? Businesses and organisations generally have their primary logo with the full name (even the S.S.R.'s official logo had the organisation name around it, where the common one had "S.S.R." written in the centre of the eagle), why should it be assumed that S.H.I.E.L.D. is any different? Just because a logo is commonly used does not make it the official logo, this can be seen with the two variants of the old badge logo, most common one was the clean variant, but the official one had the name around it and a coat of arms in the center. NickM98 (talk) 20:58, May 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the latest version, the most commonly used version, and the logo with the name is a variant of it, not the other way around. And please, tell me, can you see the name on this primary logo?--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 15:12, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I can see that we are getting nowhere in our dispute, and I'm getting a bit tired arguing with no result. I believe that we should let the community decide between the named version and the clean version (without the border as that matches the clean version of the old badge logo). NickM98 (talk)

Infobox Image
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, there has been a disagreement about the logo that should be used in the infobox in this article. Please vote on which logo should be used. All voters must have an account, and only those who have joined the MCU Wiki before voting began are allowed to vote. The voting ends after a 7-day period.--UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 08:16, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Logo #1

 * 1) UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 13:18, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) TomasDerksen (talk) 13:24, May 14, 2015 (UTC) Most commen logo should be used. Logic.
 * 3) Professor Ambrius (talk) 16:46, May 14, 2015 (UTC) What's the main difference between Logos 1 and 3?
 * 4) --CommodoreFisher (talk) 17:54, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 5) MCUFFTW (talk) 21:02, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Babyrockhopper (talk) 22:31, May 14, 2015 (UTC) I think people know the logo is for SHIELD without the words there
 * 7) Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 00:39, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) 71.28.17.245 15:16, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Logo #2

 * 1) Mister Explicit (talk) 10:04, May 14, 2015 (UTC) Mister Explicit
 * 2) B214 10:34, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) ~Playsonic2 10:37, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 4) Dr.Who1997To Afterlife 07:22, May 15, 2015 (UTC) I prefer this logo because the full name of the organization can be seen on it.
 * 5) AKA S.I.H (talk) 11:56, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 6) Coluanprime (talk) 18:53, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 7) BamMitch (talk) 18:59, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 8) The Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (talk) 21:46, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 9) NickM98 (talk) 22:00, May 14, 2015 (UTC) I agree with Dr.Who1997 and beleive that this is the actual official logo, the others are simplified variants.
 * 10) 1stAvenger 18:15, May 14, 2015 (UTC) I agree with Dr. Who, the name is important to the logo.
 * 11) Milomilk was here 23:54, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * 12) BachBreaker8 (talk) 01:22, May 15, 2015 (UTC) This logo looks more professional in my opinion. It resembles real life logos like S.A.S.' or U.S.M.C.'s.

Comments
Logo 1 is the most common logo, used by all incarnations of S.H.I.E.L.D. (the original S.H.I.E.L.D., Coulson's faction, and the united S.H.I.E.L.D.). All other modern logos are just a variation of it. UskokS.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters 13:18, May 14, 2015 (UTC)