Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20180805203038

Fantastic Four/The Incredibles (Deadpooled123, The Wikia Editor)
Deadpooled123 wrote: It would be too over-the-top because you would have to include history that has never been foreshadowed at the slightest of even indicated briefly. It makes sense to start first with turning down of the Avengers Tower in NYC before ANYTHING. Yeah, it would be good to have them in the present day. If it were outside of the MCU though and it were still just Fox making Fantastic Four films, I would say that a standalone film set in the 1960s could really work.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It could definitely work. The argument of "why haven't we heard of them before" could just as easily be made about Captain Marvel and even Black Panther, the former having been active in the '90s and the latter having opened up Wakanda to the rest of the world and yet having gone unmentioned in chronologically later movies and shows (until Infinity War).

The easiest explanation is that the Fantastic Four could have operated as a covert group, perhaps under S.H.I.E.L.D.'s supervision. As for how they could interact with the characters inb the present day, the simplest way to have them have some kind of mishap that results in them getting displaced somehow and not reemerging until present day, thus explaining what happened to them.

Also, slight correction, I'm pretty sure The Incredibles takes place in 1970. The opening occurs in 1955 and the rest of the movie occurs "15 Years Later", placing it in 1970. That was my thoughts, that like the 1980s Ant-Man and Wasp, they just worked for S.H.I.E.L.D..

As for The Incredibles, it's kind of contradictory, but I'm fairly sure it's the 1960s. I'm not aware of anything placing the prologue in 1955. However, early in the first film, a newspaper says "May 16th, 1962". The second half of the film is said to be "2 months" after the beginning, taking it to July 1962, and then the ending is "3 months later", which would take it to October 1962.

However, in Incredibles 2, they watch Jonny Quest (Which aired 1964-1965) and The Outer Limits (which aired 1963-1965), which would suggest it's later in the decade.

But also, I always had doubts about the 1962 date, because it would make the prologue 1947. It really doesn't seem like it, and also, there is shown to be a colour film/documentary thing where they're interviewing the heroes, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_motion_picture_film in 1947, only 12% of American films were colour. By 1954, it was over 50%], suggesting the prologue is closer to the 1950s.

Brad Bird I think also mentioned that he wasn't aware of the 1962 date in the first film, that it was just something the animators put in - he'd just generally meant for it to have a 1960s tone.

But then, when watching Incredibles 2, I noticed an "October" newspaper (it was October 20something-th, didn't have a year), which would back up the May 1962 newspaper.

So I don't know, and it doesn't particularly matter to me - but I feel like the films are somewhere between 1962 and 1969.

Cloak & Dagger (Deadpooled123, The Wikia Editor, Marvelous 345678, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)
Deadpooled123 wrote: With the last episode of C&D, l meant to edit the first message you quoted BEJT and say 'the last episode goes over 3 days' which would place Episode 9 starting on February 25 (which can accomodate that mobile error reporting 'October 5' of Billy's anniversary). Right thanks. As The Wikia Editor points out, it would be February 27th-March 1st.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Again, you could make the same argument regarding how Ant-Man, the Wasp and Captain Marvel have all never been mentioned despite having been active in the '80s and '90s respectively. It all depends on how such a hypothetical movie would handle their activities.

As for the 3 days, Episode 10 starts the night before Mardi Gras, then the main events occur on the day of Mardi Gras, and then the epilogue occurs the following day. As such, Episode 9 probably occurs on February 27, with Episode 10 covering February 27, February 28 and March 1. Yeah, thanks. I'll rewatch the season to find the exact dates, now we have a point of reference.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: After years of working together, you still amaze me. You are a friking genious! Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: That is genuinely amazing. I'm shocked. I definitely have a lot to learn if I want to help with the timeline. Thanks guys. I'm not particularly proud of it because I'm a massive perfectionist and I kinda cheated on this one to get it done faster. It's not as accurate as my usual system but it wasn't necessary to do the whole long system, with this getting the point across and giving us the clear answer.

Edward Zachary Sunrose, if I could ask a favour, would it be alright if you edit your post to remove the quote part? Just because I'm still tidying it up a bit and had already tidied it a bit by the time you posted your reply, so the quote doesn't match the actual post and contains the slightly more messy iteration.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I agree. At a glance, it looks like in the least, season one could take place over the course of 12-14 days minimum from around February 17 to March 1, 2017 but definitely probably end up a few days more in March. Sounds about right to me. Like I said, I'll rewatch.

Venom (The Wikia Editor)
The Wikia Editor wrote: I can definitely understand that. I'm a bit of two minds on the movie. On one hand, the possibility of a Venom fighting Spider-Man in the MCU is awesome, on the other hand, Sony is trying to at least partially ride the MCU's coattails in order to gain a bigger audience.

The ambiguous status of "Sony's Marvel Universe" will probably somewhat depend on whether the movie is any good or not. For now, the official statement given by Amy Pascal (and endorsed by Kevin Feige as the "perfect answer") is that the movie "is not a part of the MCU franchise" but is "set in the same reality".

Basically, it's kind of like how the shows reference the movies but not vice-versa. The Sony-produced movies might contain references and even characters from the Marvel Studios-produced movies, but will otherwise stay seperate. Or at least, that's how I interpret it.

The main reason why Sony's previous attempts at creating their own cinematic universe kept failing is because they kept making the same mistake, namely that they insisted on putting way too much stuff into their movies which only served the purpose of setting up future movies, which detracted from the movies themselves.

I believe that the best way going forward would be to co-produce with Marvel to ensure both quality and continuity, rather than trying to barge into the MCU and hope that everything works out fine.

In the end, I'm somewhat hopeful that the movie ends up being good and that Sony will negotiate some sort of deal after the third Spider-Man movie to work more closely with Marvel on these projects. Yeah but see I wouldn't want it to be like the TV shows. I saw people saying "It'll just be like the TV shows, they're part of it but it's only connected in a one-way direction," but it just makes me think, "Yeah... but the TV shows are nonetheless Marvel Cinematic Universe canon." Like, something's either canon or its not. And honestly, I just hope it's not. I'd love to see Venom, but I would want it to be Marvel behind it.

Principia (The Wikia Editor)
The Wikia Editor wrote: It's honestly way too blurry for me to make any kind of confident statement on the matter. It might be "2018", but it could also be "2017", it's just too blurry to tell. Mrmichaelt wrote: Nice! Indeed. It's one of those screencaps you stare at for awhile... It's too blurry to make out, that white text in the upper right corner of the monitor. Yeah it's really hard to make out. I had a go looking at them and couldn't distinguish anything, but I'll have another close look and see if there's any way to distinguish if it looks more like a 7 or an 8.

Ant-Man and the Wasp (The Wikia Editor)
The Wikia Editor wrote: It's an interesting idea. Although, as far as future titles go, I think they could just add a subtitle to it. Something like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Into the Microverse or something along those lines.

However, since the next Wonder Woman movie is going to be about her fighting Soviets in the '80s, I'd imagine that Marvel would prefer to avoid making a superhero set around that same time period to avoid comparisons. That could work, although I feel like adding a subtitle is making the title quite long, and also it could be a little confusing - whether it should be called Ant-Man 3 or Ant-Man and the Wasp 2. I just really like the idea of a symmetry in the trilogy titles.

Yeah they might want to avoid it. Depends how much of Wonder Woman 1984 will be about Soviets.

Interesting thing I noticed about Wonder Woman 1984...

Obviously, there are a lot of parallels already between Steve Rogers and Steve Trevor. They're both blonde American soldier called Steve. They're both played by a Chris. They're both fighting in a World War. They're both in a superhero film set in the modern day, with modern day bookends, but with 99% of it set as flashbacks to a World War, and where the main character is a hero with a shield who helps the Americans in the war. They both seemingly die in an act of self-sacrifice in a plane towards the end.

And now we know that in some way he is coming back in 1984, and it adds yet another similarity. Steve Rogers was gone for 66 years, from 1945 to 2011. And, in whatever manner Steve Trevor returns, it will have been 1984 - 1918 =... 66 years.

Avengers: Infinity War Deleted Scene (Marvelous 345678)
Marvelous 345678 wrote: In a deleted scene for Infinity War, Stark and Potts talk about their wedding, the possible date they are planning is August 27th. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Could we use the average of couples chosing dates for their wedding in order to see where Infinity War can fit? It's a hard thing to research, because most of the available statistics are about the length of an engagement, not the time between choosing the date and the actual date.

[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-long-is-too-long-to-be-engaged_us_58747f77e4b0a5e600a78e68 "More than 50 percent of the more than 500 couples I’ve work for have planned and executed their weddings in less than nine months." This might suggest about 8-9 months on average.]

This would imply about a year, although it's more of a suggestion than data about averages.

this would also imply about a year, but again, more of a suggestion.

But it's something that really varies depending on the couple, and they're trying to keep it low key (the August 27th is the "decoy" date for the paparazzi), plus Happy is hurrying them along. I'd say it suggests a few months before August 27th - March works pretty well with this, and June wouldn't. June's too close.

Obviously it's just a deleted scene and doesn't matter too much, and it's a very flexible piece of evidence - but still, it helps a little bit.

Avengers: Infinity War Timings (64SuperNintendo)
64SuperNintendo wrote: Hey guys, I have some more suggestions.

The good thing about moving Infinity War a few months later to accomodate Scott's house arrest, is that it means that the sunrise can be earlier and the sunset can be later. But one of my suggestions would be to ignore the sunrise and sunset times, as it has been shown to not necessarily be true to real life.

For example, at the beginning of The Winter Soldier, Steve receives a message at 6:39 AM and the sun is already up, which isn't accurate with real life sunrise times of Washington DC in January. I don't think the filmmakers really think about the daylight time accuracy to the time of year in regards to the movies, and I think the same thing could apply here. As long as the daytime events are after the earliest possible sunrise and before the latest possible sunset, I think it's fine.

However, if Infinity War takes place after Daylight Saving Time, then that changes things from BEJT's post here https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:224967#250, as New York is now 6 hours ahead of Tahiti, instead of just 5. Wakanda and Tahiti are still 12 hours apart though.

In light of this, I think it might be better to ignore the 10:24 time from Fury's car. Unlike the 1:21-1:42 time from Tony's phone (which is in focus and in plain sight), 10:24 isn't in the main focus and is easy to miss. That alone wouldn't be enough to disregard it, but considering the issues it causes, I don't think it should be a big deal if it's ignored.

I think the 0:24 makes sense to be kept, but the hour doesn't really matter as long as it's after the earliest possible sunrise and before the earliest possible sunset. I guess the snap could be at around 6:24 AM in Tahiti, 9:24 AM in San Francisco, 12:24 PM in New York and 6:24 PM in Wakanda. Ignoring the 10:24 time adds two more hours of leeway.

I did some rough math, using BEJT's breakdown of the last couple of episodes of AoS season 5, and I figured that if the timing is kept more or less the same as BEJT posted, it actually leaves a lot more time for those episodes to reasonably reach their conclusion before the Snap.

I can post my rough breakdown here, if anyone is interested. I wouldn't say that sunrise/sunset times need to be ignored. If they can work, that's great - and they should be able to work. I just think that, like you say, sometimes they don't work out, and when that happens that shouldn't be the end of the world.

I hadn't got to adjusting for the new sunrise/sunset times, it's a shame that Tahiti no longer works. You're absolutely right, thanks for warning me. I had assumed it would be fine - I was thinking, "It should actually be easier, because the sunrise would be earlier in March than January, allowing more time in the morning before the snap." I didn't consider about the U.S. having daylight savings and Tahiti not, and Tahiti's days getting shorter heading into March because it's in the Southern Hemisphere. You're right, and I think 12:24 is indeed the answer. My in-universe explanation for it being 11:24 rather than 10:24 was that perhaps they were recently a bit further west and hadn't yet corrected the time. We can still kind of take that - Fury does a lot of travelling across the U.S., perhaps it was at some point recently in a time zone further west, and he just hasn't bothered to correct it yet.

Sure, I'd be interested in your rough breakdown. I'm in the midst of updating and refining the exact timings of the scenes but haven't quite got to that point yet, so if you want to demonstrate how it gives things a little bit more time to play out, for example, that would be good to see ahead of time.