Thread:Rodangizzardcrusher3/@comment-26687285-20160503163838/@comment-26687285-20160506175542

2: SPECTRE is (more or less) a reincarnation of Quantum.

Probably the sloppiest and stupidest aspect of the entire film is how it tries (and fails) to tie itself in with the other "Craig" Bond movies. The way they do this is by basically stating that every villain Bond faced up till now were secretly members of SPECTRE, and all of the events from those films were (somehow) organized and staged by Blofeld in order to hurt Bond. This is all laid out towards the end of the movie, when Ernst says:

''"A nice pattern developed, you interfered in my world, i destroyed yours." "Or did you think it was coincidence that all the women in your life ended up dead?."

"Vesper Lynd for example." "And then of course, your beloved M...gone forever." "Me." "It was all me James, it's always been me." "The author of all your pain." ''

The movie even has an downright goofy scene where Q explains to Bond that SPECTRE has ties to every enemy they've ever faced, from the Quantum organization to Raoul Silva, complete with a ridiculous, Illuminati-like picture of it's hierarchy. This twist is moronic for so many reasons!.

1: It completely contradicts the continuity set up by the previous three films.

We clearly saw how and why M and Vesper died. Vesper commited suicide because she felt guilty for betraying Bond, and M died from her wounds after the battle at Skyfall manor.

2: It goes against/ignores the motivations of the villains in the other films (i.e. Le Chiffre, Quantum and Silva) in a hilariously half-assed attempt to give the series some kind of overarching narrative.

Silva's motivation was a deep-rooted resentment and feeling of betrayl towards M, NOT a loyalty to some global underground terror agency. He was nothing more than a brilliant former agent looking for revenge. Infact, his beef had pretty much nothing to do with Bond at all. The only reason he cared about him at all is because he was the biggest obstacle in his attempts to kill M.

Likewise, Le Chiffre was simply an armstrader who got himself into trouble and only tried to kill Bond because he got in his way.

And lastly, Quantum was basically a group of powerfull people trying to become rich and powerfull by obtaining and controlling as many of the world's natural resources as possible.

So as you can see, none of these things could've possibly had anything to do with, or been orcastrated by SPECTRE/Blofeld.

3: It really takes away from those movie's/characters's unique attributes and functions. Now (apparently) Vesper's/M's deaths aren't singular tragic events that Bond has had to suffer through in the course of his life, but instead part of some elaborate, impractical and utterly implausible scheme, (somehow) set in motion by Ernst to (somehow) hurt Bond, for...uhm...reasons?.

Really, it's like him saying: "I was responsible for the sinking of the Titanic." Note, i don't mean he allowed it to happen, or contributed to the situation to make it more dangerous. I'm mean it's like him saying he's responsible for the event itself. Yes, it's that nonsensical.

Alternatives:

1: After the events of QoS and the information that James gathered from Dominic Greene, Quantum fell apart, but was gradually rebuilt and reformed by Oberhauser, who, in order to decrease the chances of discovered, decided to limit their numbers (so as to work in the "21 members" system from the Flemming stories) and to re-focus the organization on gathering power in by infiltrating and gaining control over various intelligence agencies.

2: SPECTRE broke Silva out of jail, and provided him with the resources to carry out his plans against MI6 (i.e. The NATO list, his henchmen, the location of his secret lair).

Fun-Fact: For the Bulgarian version of QoS, the name Quantum was actually translated to Spectre in the subtitles. Something like this could perhaps serve as an explanation for why the organization changed it's name.