Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190608235004

Blackout in Captain Marvel (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelus)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I just did and it was immediately reverted, despite having a direct confirmation from Victoria Alonso herself. Marvelus wrote: Sadly. It would be nice to have it as such, I sometimes find the line for confirmation a bit unclear on this wiki. Certain things that I wouldn't see as hard confirmation are treated as such despite the strict rules on confirmation, but sometimes the strict rules do apply, like here.

But in this case, yeah, she wasn't clear and also it doesn't really make sense. I'm perfectly fine without it.

Cloak & Dagger and Runaways (me, Mrmichaelt)
BEJT wrote: Noticed on rewatch: Tyrone's letter to Father Delgado has him talking about reflecting on Delgado's lessons for the last "nine months", so it's probably late November/early December by that point (it's after Lia's community service is shown, so that would constrain her community service to being no more than about 4 weeks after, unless he's had the letter for a while).

I also feel like this is the show's way of saying it's 1 month later. With Tandy packing during the montage, I reckon the montage is all the same day, the day they leave. So this lines up pretty nicely as early December, 1 month after the main events of the season. Maybe Delgado's had the letter a week or so. Mrmichaelt wrote: Great find! And it helps the timeline. :)

Last year, Freeform announced the renewal on July 20 (2nd day of SDCC) so should hear about season 3 more or less around that time. This year it's July 18-21. I was thinking along the lines of it being 9 months since the lessons, but the specific writing is, "Over the past nine months I have had a lot of time to think on the lessons you taught me." So while Tyrone went on the run in late February, considering he was caught up in things and only settled in the church and his new fugitive life on March 1, 2017, it can actually be considered that this would make it December, 9 months since he settled following Delgado's lessons. Considering Destiny's body was found on December 9th, and it should be at least about 3 days later for O'Reilly/Mayhem's reports, making the decision to leave, packing etc., but should be close to early December considering the letter so not really more than 3 days, I'm going with December 12th for now.

Yeah, I was saying to another user recently that there's a good chance it gets renewed at SDCC.

Past Dates (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: BETJ, yeah I noticed those dates, thanks. Now for the movies, we just need Captain Marvel and Endgame placed on the timeline. Or is Endgame done already? I saw some of it on there. Maybe not all the past date stuff is finished yet? Captain Marvel and Endgame main events are up (the dates are correct though the writing is messily done by various users and needs checking), the past dates have not been done yet (beyond just setting up the skeleton for the Time Heists on the timeline because I knew some users would be eager to write things up and wanted the structure to be in place for them when they did to minimise the mess - those writings also need checking, but again, the dates are correct). I'll get there, they're on my to-do list. I'm also going to do some specific side-by-side timecode comparisons for the Time Heists when I can, revisiting the three films and lining up how Endgame happens in parallel as best as I can with bits and pieces from online without pirating the film - to be perfected once it's out in home release.

Alternate Timelines (CirUmeUela, Protego Maxima, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Marvelus)
CirUmeUela wrote: I listened to Empire Podcast today where they interview Markus & McFeely first and then the Russo Bros. Chris the interviewer didn't ask Markus & McFeely about Steve's time traveling at the end, but they did say something like "We think that branched timeline with Loki dissapearing might have been erased" but didn't actually confirm it. They said that for a few things, it would be up to Marvel to decide what happens, kind of saying that it's not up to them in the end what happens in the future with plot threads they started.

Chris did ask the Russos about Steve going back. They said that there is a definite answer as to how he got back to the main timeline, but that they were going to leave that up to a future story. However, they did reaffirm twice that it was an alternate timeline. The way they said it wasn't stated as opinion, but fact. It's interesting though that they think there could be a future story about Steve in the alternate timeline, I wonder if that could happen, maybe a short series for Disney + after Chris Evans has had a break for a few years. I'm behind on the podcast so I hadn't listened yet - thank you for letting us know.

It's funny seeing you talk about Chris like that - I've all-but met Chris. I went to one of the live podcasts and met some of the critics/hosts, didn't meet Chris but was in the same room as him.

The Russos are very confident in the way they talk about this stuff, while Markus and McFeely are very cautious, but confidence doesn't necessarily amount to being more correct.

I'm really happy to hear they mentioned the erasing of the timelines, which is something I've not heard either party talk about despite being mentioned in the film. It seems to me if you read and watch their interviews that Markus and McFeely have really been careful with how they wrote the film and know what they wrote, but are also cautious because they're not Marvel overlords and know there's a chance Marvel exploit certain grey areas with the rules so don't want to state anything definitively. The Russos are speaking the way I see many people incorrectly speak online, claiming that the film sets up the rule that "If you go back in time, you create a new timeline", which is never stated. It's more complicated than that. But they might also be more clued in to the larger Marvel plan.

I've been doing another extensive analysis of the comments from the film and both parties recently, finding as many quotes as I can and dissecting them. Frankly, I think Markus and McFeely are right, but if something gets followed up on in the future it might unfortunately be the Russo explanation.

Protego Maxima wrote: I am thinking that maybe an episode of upcoming What If TV Show can show that alternative timeline Steve went. Yeah so I've seen that line of thought - it's a bit of an odd one. Because the idea of Marvel's What If...? as a TV show it would seem is less literal alternate/branch timelines but more "I wonder, what if this had gone this way? How could that have looked?"

If it's literal timelines, a) I am much less happy about the show because it's an unnecessarily complicated tie-in to the MCU set in literal alternate realities that I really don't want to have to deal with, and b) it's not really "What if?" if it actually happened, just in a branch timeline. I know in the comics there's something involving the Watcher switching between universes or something but I'm really hoping they don't go that route. But yeah, if you follow Steve's trips, that's not really "What if?" because we know it happened. If something could conceivably fit in to a main actual film - the way that could conceivably have been a part of Endgame (wouldn't have worked in terms of pace and story and length and structure, I'm just saying in terms of the main storyline) then it doesn't really fit. It's not a question of "What if... Peggy Carter became Captain America?/Loki got Mjolnir?", it's just an MCU story.

The other thing being that it would appear most actors are returning to voice their characters in Marvel's What If...?, but Evans is done with the character.

The only thing I can currently think of that you could do to tell that story without needing Evans would be a tie-in comic or novel, but neither of those seem like a worthy medium to tell such a significant story.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: That suggests to me that the Loki series on Disney+ will not be about Alternate 2012 Loki as so many have suggested.

Thank God. I really hope it is. Not just because I feel it doesn't really jive with what the film says, but I have no attachment to that timeline and I don't want any MCU content set wholly in alternate universes. And I'd just kind of love for all the people just assuming this stuff to get egg on their face, because people assuming things with certainty just generally annoys me😂. Plus I've found it annoying how people go, "Well, we heard it's Loki popping through history, and he's got the Tesseract, so there we go..."

Yes, he's got the... Space Stone.

Marvelus wrote: If that was the case, I wouldn't watch it. I think a Loki TV series set in the past of the present MCU would be cool and it can show how Loki assured his death not to be permanent. Eventually leading to his reencarnation as Kid Loki leading to a potential Dark Reign storyline. I wish I knew what you were talking about with comics stuff. But yes, much more interested in a prequel than an alternate timeline.