Thread:Shabook/@comment-24815383-20160401140240

Hello Shabook, I would like to ask why my modifications on watchdog(ep.)’s trivia was removed? That headline is clearly a reference to DD, but I strongly believe it does not refer to a war between  the Irish, the Cartel and the Bikers. Besides the time-difference factor, and other arguments I’ve listed in the episodes’s talk page, I did another, deeper research, analyizing all the episodes of season 2. And a new question had formulated in my head: Was there even a gang war between those 3 except the massacre at the Central Park? Also, thorught the episodes Punisher storyline, gangwars are just referred to natural after the end of season1, and that gang members  got themselves fire up due to the Punisher’s vendetta.

I suggest to rewrite that paragraph of trivia, if you ha dproblem with mine, its okay, it should still be rewritten.



Arguments:

1).Barret Talks about the power vaccum created by Fisk’s imprisonment. Mentioning ”every gang” not just the aforementioned 3.

2.) Claire emphasizing how Punisher’s apperance got the gangs riled up, resulting to even more gang fights. Not just about the aforementioned 3, just generally gangs.

3.) Ellison telling about the 3 gangs actual massacre on the day Castle’s family was exterminated. This is the only time they mention these 3 gangs’ war, which happened long before the start  of the Season. And according to Ellison it happened in April 14th (most likely 2015 or even before it). Why would AoS reference a war that happened at best a year ago?

4.) Fisk’s discussion with Matt: Fisk tells him that the situation is already bad in Hell’s Kitchen, refering to GANG WARS (plural),  mentioning it like something common nowadays.

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Conclusion:





Besides Central Park massacre(April 14th), I hadnt found any other reference sto explicit gang war between those 3, just to the general chaos in Hells Kitchen, when gang wars seemed to be normal. Also if we’re going be the real-time-principle of AoS during those months, many things could happen.

References(actual lines from the episodes)

EP1

1.)- Fisk is gone.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Yeah, but once you took care of him, what'd you think was gonna happen? Every gang worth shit's trying to grab up everything fat boy left behind. I even heard They're bringing up some heavy munitions from Juárez. Military grade.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Where?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Warehouse.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">EP2

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">2.)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">[Foggy] So, you've probably been pulling in lots of DOAs lately.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Criminal types?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- There's been a serious uptick  in gunshot wounds, now that you mention it. Something's really

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">got the gangs riled.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- It's a "someone."

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">3.)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">Ah, yes, yes. Okay, gang-on-gang violence. No civilians were reported injured,

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">so nobody cared. It took me a week to get this in the paper...Here....Three gangs, Central Park, mid-day. They shot each other to shit. It was a total massacre.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">Mexican Cartel,

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">Dogs of Hell...

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- [Karen] Kitchen Irish.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- ...Kitchen Irish.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Those were all the three...

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- That the Punisher gunned down.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- There's gotta be a connection, right?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">- Mmm-hmm. Right.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">EP10

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">4.) -Did you have anything to do with his release?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">-No, I didn't. Clock's ticking, Mr. Murdock. These days are hectic in Hell's Kitchen. Lunatic shooters, gang wars. I understand you're frantic, you're looking for answers. I have none. Sometimes I'm glad I'm... in here. The fate of New York City is out of my hands for once.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">-That's bullshit!

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