Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190605132635

Cloak & Dagger (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Back in episode 5 or 6 of season 1 when Tyrone saw Kev's fears (that runner with the backpack I think it was), he saw this ethereal Bogey-man like figure. Pokaski pretty much confirmed that was Jip in venues like SyFy Wire or that Nerdist after show last year. In the comics, he was a major enemy of C&D - evil wizard with a grotesque appearance, ex-student of Ancient One, seeks out the bodies of evil people to extend his life - in what is a not-so deep bench in their rogues gallery. Oh I see. Didn't realise that was anyone significant. Thanks for letting me know, I don't really read the comics.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed, the Arrow and Flash CW series suffered, imo, for not doing that. Yeah, The Flash in particular. Unfortunately, when it branched out from speedster villains in Seasons 4 and 5, it happened to have poor-to-terrible villains, but I hope the showrunners didn't get the wrong idea. If we'd had yet more speedsters, it would have been unbelievably dull.

Code Yellow (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: True, it's a toss up between Deke's idea to upend the food industry when there should be plenty of food available vs. the notion of the Framework-based game being a hit because it implicitly helps people avoids reality. Yeah I guess that's a way of looking at the Framework's success.

There is also the problem, in the same way as with Daisy, Piper, and Davis not bringing this up with Simmons about Fitz, of a character having not seen another character since before the Snap and not asking about them. Deke hasn't really kept in contact with the team to the point where he doesn't appear to know that Coulson died - he thinks they must have saved his life before he died.

But he implies there was a tiny bit of contact, so maybe after the Snap he got in touch to check they were OK - before Coulson died.

Oh I also meant to mention with the Coachella thing that we've never discussed Shuri's line at the end of Black Panther about Coachella. I never brought it up because again, I don't think it matters.

"When you said you would take me to California for the first time... I thought you meant Coachella... or Disneyland."

I imagine the conversation as literally: T'Challa: "I'm going to take you to California for the first time." Shuri thinks "Ooh for Coachella next year? Or Disneyland?" Shuri: "When?" T'Challa: "Tomorrow."

Or something similar. She didn't know when they were going when he "said [he] would take [her] to California for the first time", only to then realise they were going soon so it wouldn't be Coachella.

Also a) it's just a joke, b) if necessary Coachella can be a July thing in the MCU, c) if necessary that scene could be 9 months after the main film rather than a few weeks, but that's not necessary.

Personal Note (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Congrats on finishing out the (first?) year.

Agreed. I, too, have nothing against the occasional break from new content. First year, yeah. Thank you!

Alternate Reality Synopsis (Marvelus, Ben 1,000,911, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
Marvelus wrote: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. epiosdesode 6 synopsis confirms they travelled to an alternate reality in Season 5. Just to let people know what Marvelus is talking about:

"They've fought through space, time and alternate realities to find each other, and now, closer than ever, only their own demons can stop FitzSimmons' reunion."

It would seem to me that 2091 is covered by "time" ("space" being Maveth), so "alternate realities" is the Framework.

Regardless, if it were referring to 2091, it wouldn't be wrong. It's the original timeline so technically the new timeline the whole MCU is following post-The End is an alternate timeline, but just for designation purposes, this is still the "main" reality so in a sense, the original timeline is an alternate timeline now.

But it wasn't to begin with, and Fitz sleeping through from 2017 to 2091 proves this. The White Monolith just shifts you in time, it doesn't change reality or cause a branch.

Ben 1,000,911 wrote: I think that could refer to the Framework? At the very least I'm not sure it "confirms" that this is an alternate reality. I've been lurking here for a bit and if I had to put in my two cents, I'd say wait it out, maybe they'll be able to explain the timeline better. If not, y'all also have said that there isn't technically enough evidence to prove that the Snap HASN'T happened yet, so we can assume that it did and the show is just doing a poor job of showing it. DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: Yeah, that seems like a reference to the Framework to me. It'd be weird to confirm that they're in an alternate reality in an episode synopsis, so unless they actually say this in the episode, we shouldn't assume anything. I agree with both of you that it's the Framework.

And I don't think Marvelus was saying that this proves it's a different timeline to the Snap, don't worry.

Marvelus wrote: Well. I may have jumped the gun xD, but I am not referring to the Agentd returning to an alternate timeline other than Earth 199999, I mean they were sent to an alternste reality (timeline future) and then brought back to the main continuity. Hwoever, who am I to judge? There we go.

But yeah no they can't have been sent to an alternate reality and brought back to main continuity as explained above. It would also mean that every other time the White Monolith didn't bring them back to main continuity for some reason, but this time it did, and wouldn't explain why Robin only senses the timeline shift at the point just after it diverges.

Captain Marvel's Age (additional)
I forgot to mention this a few weeks ago, but in this Markus and McFeely interview that was looked at for branch timeline-related stuff (don't worry about that now), they say, "She's been in space nearly half her life." She's been in space mid-1989 to mid-2023, 34 years, but that would mean she's at least 34 when she's taken which she's definitely not. In context, they're talking about her obligations, so perhaps just the mid-1995 to mid-2023 period, 28 years, making her at least 28 in Captain Marvel so born no later than 1967. That works with my estimation that she was born in 1966.

(Also they say the beginning of Endgame is "20 years" after Captain Marvel. Not really relevant of course but I always just try to post any comments for archiving purposes.)