Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180721235130

BEJT wrote:

Yeah I've pretty much accepted it, but sadly, many haven't. Oh well, it allows a good premise for Iron Fist: Season 2.

To be fair though, as all these comments came in during Jessica Jones: Season 2 and Luke Cage: Season 2, I was always just thinking "Guys, just wait, Daredevil is next." Although with this further push-back, I am now starting to get a little bit of "Oh come on, where's Daredevil?" but yeah, oh well. Around November 30th I reckon. We'll probably hear more after Iron Fist: Season 2 is released, since announcing both of them simultaneously would likely have resulted in Daredevil: Season 3 taking the spotlight due to the high amount of anticipation.

BEJT wrote:

You make a good point, I was thinking of less explicit evidence placing it in 2008 such as Billy being born August 1990 and him supposedly being 17. But yeah, 2008 and 2009 are probably about equal in evidence actually. 2008 might be slightly stronger, but the number of times they've said 8 years does really suggest that it shouldn't merely be a rounded 8 years.

Well, now Episode 8 has made things even worse.

I was going to say that the reason I was thinking late 2008 was because more evidence placed it earlier and we had to compromise, but they had admittedly said "8 years" so many times that it made it difficult...

And then starting the episode I thought "Oh, OK, this makes things easier. It's the 8-year anniversary. So this means we're no longer treating them individually. We're weighing up the evidence for 2007/2015 vs. 2008/2016 vs. 2009/2017 vs. 2010/2018. And 2009/2017 has the strongest joint evidence. We're pretty much sorted then!"

And then the "Thursday, October 5" date showed up later in the episode and I despaired. This show is the worst when it comes to the MCU timeline of any of the MCU shows. Not saying it's the worst show, it's definitely not, but its timeline just makes me despair. Yeah, it honestly feels sometimes as if the show is just trolling us with all these inconsistencies.

At least our discussion about the "8 Years" thing has been setting so that's helpful at least. October doesn't really work, especially not in conjunction with the basketball sport season. In 2017, the Basketball Boys Finals lasted from March 6 to March 11.

March 2009 seems like a better date for the oil rig explosion as it would occur exactly halfway between Nathan Bowen's ID and also gives Scarborough more time to supervise the cleanup prior to his promotion (as mentioned on his wikipedia page).

It should also be noted that the Roxxon ID that Tandy stole from Tyrone's mother, has dates indicating that it was issued on March 12 and expires on March 11.

BEJT wrote:

Well, this was what I meant soon after Infinity War came out when I said that I think we should treat things irrespective of Infinity War. Because if The Punisher: Season 2 or Runaways: Season 2 or anything else coming out before Avengers 4 places itself as post-Infinity War, it would be foolish to try and distort things only for things to get fixed in Avengers 4 in a way so that it turned out that these shows could comfortably place where the evidence originally placed them all along. After Avengers 4, we can revise anything accordingly. Indeed, you had brought it up before, and I do fully agree with you. I'm confident that we'll manage to deal with it if it comes up.

BEJT wrote:

Well it filmed in late winter, so presumably would be set around winter 2017-18. BEJT wrote:

That would be nice (so long as they got the year right!) although having done Christmas in Season 2, I'm not sure that they'd do it again in Season 3. I guess there's no real reason why they shouldn't do it again, but it would just seem slightly odd to me. To be fair, Christmas in Season 2 was more of a backdrop during the epilogue rather than a part of the overall story, so I think it would be different enough to not bother people. Besides, it's been quite a while since Season 2 anyway, long enough that it wouldn't surprise me at all if people had forgotten that Christmas was even in featured in Season 2.

BEJT wrote:

Yup, and as I've mentioned, it messes things up further. The 8-year anniversary thing kinda helps, but the October phone date is a headache. I can't believe the continuity errors in this show.

I guess September-October 2017 should be considered despite it not lining up at all with the basketball season - it would work better with the news articles O'Reilly had on her sidebar a couple of episodes back, which I think The Wikia Editor pointed out were September 2017. But honestly, I almost want to give up with this show. Obviously I won't, but it's pushing my limits.

2 more episodes then the season's over and we can collect all the data into one and I can have a crack at it all. March 2009/February-March 2017 and October 2009/September-October 2017 are, I think, the main candidates. As I mentioned earlier, March 2009/February-March 2017 seems a bit more plausable due to various pieces of evidence. The "Thursday, October 5" date is probably another case of the date of filming being inadvertendly shown on screen. The fact that basketball state finals were explicitly referenced in dialogue and shown on screen is much firmer evidence than a single contradictory date, kinda like what happened in Agent Carter: Season 1.

That being said, we might be able to work with "Thursday" part. Assuming Adina Johnson's ID was issued on March 12, 2017, then it would have been on a Sunday. The next Thursday after that would be March 16. Since it's the 8-year anniversary of the oil rig explosion, it would place the date of the explosion on March 16, 2009.

BEJT wrote:

Was shocked by the James Gunn news. I understand Disney's decision, because they have to distance themselves from things like that, and the tweets were awful. I think it's a shame though - having followed Gunn for a long time, I think he's a good person who takes the time to respond to people and speak responsibly and in a measured and factual way about politics and tries his best to be a good and productive person. I do believe him that he has vastly changed in the 8-10 years since those tweets were posted, and it really is a long time ago to judge someone against. But judging isn't the problem, it's Disney being associated with behaviour like that - they had to let him go. It's a big blow, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise was his baby, it practically belonged to him, and owed so much to him. Not only did he write and direct both films but he advised on Infinity War and reportedly wrote some dialogue, and he responds to so many questions about the films and characters because he's basically the god of that franchise, the creator of it all and in control of it all. As well as this, he's high up at Marvel and has met with Feige to plan out the next like 10+ years of cosmic Marvel films, and so losing him will be a big deal. I can't see anyone else doing Vol. 3 without it just feeling odd. I do feel sorry for him, but don't want to undermine the fact that, yes, those tweets were vile.

I do also hope Mike Cernovich gets punishment for the horrible, horrible things he himself has posted (much worse than James' tweets) and his behaviour here which was clearly, "I'm an idiot who wants attention and for people to talk about me and how "controversial" I am, and I don't like James' politics so let's dig something up on him!", he can't just get away with this sort of thing and not expect anything back on him because looking at some of the things people are showing of his past posts, he is awful.

But yeah, Gunn made mistakes - years ago and not reflective of what he's like now, but sadly, it still counts for this sort of thing. It's the nature of this kind of celebrity status and of social media, you can't leave your past mistakes entirely behind. Disney had to let him go, and it's a shame. I hope they at least take his ideas and give him some sort of credit for Vol. 3. Yeah, I was definitely surprised by that one as well. I really hope that things with Vol. 3 had at least gotten far enough along that it will still end up being more or less the same as it would have if Gunn had stayed on.

We have all made mistakes in the past. But yeah, in this case it unfortunately resulted in him getting fired. I understand why Disney let him go, but it's unfortunate that things turned out this way.

MrRLopez wrote:

From that trailer looks like Mardi Gras is happening in the last two episodes. These are the dates that the event took place:

2015 - february 14th 2016 - february 9th 2017 - february 28th 2018 - february 13th It's definitely going to be problematic if it ends up actually being Mardi Gras. I'm hoping that it will turn out to be some other kind of festivity, maybe part of that tradition that the friends of Tyrone's father were evidently preparing for every time we've seen them.