Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-2112031-20180526145514

BEJT wrote:

I'll explain in the full, detailed explanation I'll get to finishing soon. But basically, it's just one timeline that splits off into two on January 11, 2018. Well, it's the oddity of having three versions of Fitz that complicates things. Fitz's talk page on the main Marvel wiki featured a similar discussion, with diagrams and everything.

The current argument being presented is that the Fitz who traveled with the group back to the past was identical to the Fitz who would eventually become Deke's grandfather up until the Battle of Chicago. As such, they can basically be thought of as the same person.

BEJT wrote:

Errr... no comment😳. Look, I'm not a fan of doing whatever I may have done... but I didn't watch the film through, aside from the morals of it, I find it also doesn't allow for the full experience and the film deserves a better experience. But I had to use such methods to get the timings of the final scenes and work out how it all lines up. Understandable, at least it allows the timeline stuff to get done a bit faster.

BEJT wrote: This Fitz has only diverged from the previous Fitz for about 3 hours though (and has made no different decisions or anything in that time, since he's asleep). I'm sure that they stem from the same timeline. Deke's multiverse theory basically discusses how the timelines branch off as you go along. They're like two trouser-legs from the same original top part. Kind of, but not exactly. As I've stated previously, time travel in the marvel universe only "actually works" in the event of predestination paradoxes / temporal loops. The only way for Grandpa Fitz and Battle of Chicago Fitz to be the same person is if the loop wasn't broken, with Fitz living out the rest of his life in the Lighthouse.

It's a really odd situation. I'm really curious to read what you're explanation will be.

BEJT wrote: I think they've technically diverged by that point. I think in the original timeline, Coulson didn't put the Centipede into her gauntlet (I don't think that the difference was just that Daisy didn't notice it in the original timeline). However, I'm just saying, I don't think Coulson took the serum in either timeline. It's not like him. So at that point, in either timeline, Daisy's still angry at him for not taking it. The behaviours are the same.

Writing this, I've just come to a conclusion. I think the best divergence point would be Daisy's choice. "Phil Coulson is dying, and we have to let him," Yo-Yo said. Is Daisy's choice that she sees the serum but decides not to take it, hoping for Coulson to take it? She can't make the decision to let Coulson die? And in this new timeline, she does, and that splits the timeline. The only problem is that the building falls on Fitz moments before, which didn't happen in the original timeline. So, technically, I guess, the divergence point is them saving Mack and Polly. But moments later, Daisy makes the new decision. The fact that, unknowingly, she's in a new timeline, sort of means that the universe is now allowing her to make that decision - she may not know it, but she's no longer bound by fate and predetermined future. I had an interesting thought on the matter. What if, in the original timeline, Daisy didn't notice the serum (at least not in time) and both her and the serum were simultaneously absorbed by Talbot. I image that he would suddenly experience a massive surge of power that could have resulting in him losing control of himself, thus resulting in the Earth's destruction.

BEJT wrote: Maybe, but yeah, they wouldn't have made it. Depends how much they knew about what was going on. Fury and Hill only just found out about the bogies over Wakanda mere seconds before people started disappearing. Difficult to say. We don't know what Fury and Hill were doing prior to that scene and whether or not they had the necessary equipment/resources on hand that could have informed them of it.

Either way, the agents would have never gotten there in time anyway, rendering the point somewhat moot.

Also, I'm wondering if the modification they performed on the Zephyr to make it space worthy could have resulted in it being faster, thus allowing the events of the season finale to be a bit more succinct.

BEJT wrote: I hadn't even considered this, but Cloak & Dagger is not set in present day, apparently. It is actually set in "post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans" (1, 2), so 2005-2006 sort of time. That's kind of fun, I like this idea of pre-Iron Man stuff, filling out the universe as not just starting at that film - AKA I Want Your Cray Cray, Captain Marvel, possibly Black Widow, and Cloak & Dagger. Also, means we don't have to deal with any difficulties with the Infinity War snap. That definitely makes things easier, although it also makes potential crossovers with, say, the Runaways, more difficult. The showrunner stated the he is hoping that it could happen at some point in the future.