Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190624170133

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Venom (The Wikia Editor, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
The Wikia Editor wrote: I just finished watching Venom, I think it's quite enjoyable. It's not mindblowing or anything, but it's decent. I honestly wouldn't mind it being included in the MCU.

Timeline-wise, near the beginning of the movie, there's a visible e-mail which contains a news story covering the NCLA 2018 Presidential Reception, which occurs annually on October 17. The e-mail is dated "Yesterday", placing the beginning of the movie on October 18, 2018. The movie then features a six month time-skip, placing it in April 2019.

The absence of Spider-Man in this and future movies could be handwaved by saying that it all occurs in the Post-Snap world.

That said, there are definitely inconsistencies with regard to the MCU. Eddie is initially skeptical of the existence of aliens, which doesn't really make sense in a Post-Avengers and definitely Post-Snap world. Also, both Carlton Drake, the main bad guy, and Dr. Dora Skirth bring up how the planet will eventually run out of resources and that overpopulation needs to be dealt with. I'd heard about the October email and then "6 months later", and the alien scepticism. Hopefully (at least in my opinion), it will just stay away from the MCU.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Runaways has the Pride being extremely skeptical of aliens, despite it being post-Avengers as well. That was a strange moment.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (additional)
Having finished the season now, I just don't know what to do.

The three options seem to be January 2018, May 2018, or November 2018. And none are good options.

January 2018: - 1.5 pts.
 * Pros:
 * Pre-Snap. 10 pts.
 * Fits with football games shown. 2 pts.
 * Spring/summer clothes being launched, which would be around January. 2.5 pts.
 * 14.5 pts.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * Fits about enough with being a year since Season 2. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * January 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season, would have to squeeze the first chunk of the season into late January (or just ignore it). 0 pts, no effect really.
 * Doesn't entirely contradict the Mother's Day line. - 2.5 pts for not working particularly well though.
 * - 3.5 pts.
 * Cons:
 * Breaks Netflix chronological order. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't work with "It's spring!" email. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with the pumpkin sticker but that doesn't really matter. - 1 pt.
 * Doesn't really work with spring weather line, Trish would have to wait 6 + months to start tracking Brandt after he was released. - 2.5 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with April 2001 being "18 years ago", it would be less than 17. - 4 pts.
 * - 12.5 pts.

May 2018: 3.5 pts.
 * Pros:
 * Pre-Snap. 10 pts.
 * Keeps Netflix chronological order. 2.5 pts.
 * Works with "It's spring!" email. 2.5 pts.
 * Works with the spring weather line. 2.5 pts for being a bigger piece of evidence, but also not as much of a decider since it has more leniency.
 * Fits with January 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season. 0 pts, no effect really.
 * Fits nicely as a year since Season 2. 1 pt, this is more of a bonus.
 * 18.5 pts.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * April 2001 being "18 years ago" isn't the end of the world, it's over 17. - 2 pts for not really working though.
 * Spring/summer clothes being launched, which would be late but doesn't not work. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * - 3 pts.
 * Cons:
 * Doesn't fit with football games shown. - 2 pts.
 * Doesn't fit with the pumpkin sticker but that doesn't really matter. - 1 pt.
 * Massively contradicts the Mother's Day line. - 9 pts.
 * - 12 pts.

November 2018: 1 pt.
 * Pros:
 * Keeps Netflix chronological order. 2.5 pts.
 * Fits with football games shown. 2 pts.
 * Fits with the pumpkin sticker. 1 pt.
 * Fits with January 2018 magazine shown in Episode 2 shortly before the events of the season. 0 pts, no effect really.
 * Fits as best as any of these three options can with April 2001 being "18 years ago". 3 pts since still not ideal.
 * Fits with the Mother's Day line. 9 pts.
 * 17.5 pts.
 * Eh, it'll do:
 * Doesn't work with the spring weather line, but you can just about push it that Trish only started tracking Brandt months after he was set free. - 2 pts for still not really working.
 * Fits well enough as a year since Season 2. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * Spring/summer clothes being launched, which would be early but doesn't not work. - 1 pt for being slightly off.
 * - 4 pts.
 * Cons:
 * Post-Snap, which just seems impossible. - 10 pts.
 * Doesn't work with "It's spring!" email. - 2.5 pts.
 * - 12.5 pts.

It's very close, and the points I was assigning there were just very rough sketches to improve the pros and cons list from being just a list, giving a bit of weighting. Those points are not intended to make a definitive decision, it was just to make the list a bit more representative than just going "Well this one has three pros and two cons, this one has two pros and three cons". It's too close to make a decision from such a system.

As I mentioned above, the question seems to be what takes priority:
 * Placing it as best fits the more specific/hard evidence, the way it would be without the external factor? Internally, while there's some contradiction, it places itself in November 2018 ultimately. But you're flying in the face of the context of the wider universe it belongs to.
 * Or making going against what the show ultimately says and having to fudge things a fair amount, but justifying it with the fact that if you take into account the external factors, you are going for the option with less assumption? It feels wrong to ignore where the show places itself just because of implications on the show from something it's not connected to particularly strongly, but at the same time, objectively speaking it is in the same world and sharing that timeline and there is just no in-universe excuse for not addressing the Snap if it happened mere months ago.

It just doesn't really work in May 2018, and yet it just cannot be post-Snap. If only it weren't for that Mother's Day line, things would lean enough towards May to justify the small contradictions.

I'm kind of hoping Jeph Loeb makes a comment about it being pre-Snap and forces our hand, because I feel that would be enough justification added on to override the Mother's Day comment. It's not an unignorable comment on its own, but added to this too-close-to-call decision, it's weighty enough to be a deciding factor, because it's not like there's no evidence for spring. But at the same time, what if that comment never comes? We can't just sit and wait for a comment that might never happen, especially since the season has been out for 10 days and it hasn't come up yet so the most likely time for such a comment has passed.

I think we stall for now, but if nothing has happened in a few weeks, we might need to have a look at making a decision.