Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180724014254

MrRLopez wrote: From that trailer looks like Mardi Gras is happening in the last two episodes. These are the dates that the event took place:

2015 - february 14th 2016 - february 9th 2017 - february 28th 2018 - february 13th Right, thanks. I saw the celebrations in the trailer and wondered if it might have some significance, but didn't know what it could be.

That wouldn't be ideal, but if it's 2017, it could work. Because the end of the season and the state finals were seemingly not much more than a week apart - they were saying they were "next week" from like Episode 1 or 2. Usually the end of the season is mid-February and the state finals early March, so I was thinking we were going to have to push them a bit inwards either way, but if this firmly places it in late February, then we could use the mid-February end of season date and then the following week or so for the state finals, a bit early but fitting with Mardi Gras. It could be nice to get a firm date and push aside the October phone date.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, it honestly feels sometimes as if the show is just trolling us with all these inconsistencies.

At least our discussion about the "8 Years" thing has been settled so that's helpful at least. October doesn't really work, especially not in conjunction with the basketball sport season. In 2017, the Basketball Boys Finals lasted from March 6 to March 11.

March 2009 seems like a better date for the oil rig explosion as it would occur exactly halfway between Nathan Bowen's ID and also gives Scarborough more time to supervise the cleanup prior to his promotion (as mentioned on his wikipedia page).

It should also be noted that the Roxxon ID that Tandy stole from Tyrone's mother has dates indicating that it was issued on March 12 and expires on March 11. I agree 2009-2017 is probably best. It's just that the October date was so clearly shown on-screen, so it's hard to completely push aside. But then again, the 2007 date was also clearly shown on-screen. I don't like the October date either so I'm just kinda hoping something more concrete allows us to discard it.

I didn't think the Roxxon ID was of much significance because it just covers a full year, any year.

The Wikia Editor wrote: As I mentioned earlier, March 2009/February-March 2017 seems a bit more plausable due to various pieces of evidence. The "Thursday, October 5" date is probably another case of the date of filming being inadvertendly shown on screen. The fact that basketball state finals were explicitly referenced in dialogue and shown on screen is much firmer evidence than a single contradictory date, kinda like what happened in Agent Carter: Season 1.

That being said, we might be able to work with "Thursday" part. Assuming Adina Johnson's ID was issued on March 12, 2017, then it would have been on a Sunday. The next Thursday after that would be March 16. Since it's the 8-year anniversary of the oil rig explosion, it would place the date of the explosion on March 16, 2009. I'm sure it was the filming date, especially since Episodes 2-10 filmed July-November, so October for the filming of Episode 8 is about right. Considering the laziness of their timeline props, I don't doubt they just showed the date on the phone. I just think it was so blatantly shown that it's hard to immediately discard, but as I was saying, I'm really hoping we can just throw it aside.

Wait, so you think Adina's ID was issued recently? I probably missed something there, do they talk about how it's a new ID or something? I didn't catch that which was why I didn't really see the ID as significant. That could be helpful then.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, I was definitely surprised by that one as well. I really hope that things with Vol. 3 had at least gotten far enough along that it will still end up being more or less the same as it would have if Gunn had stayed on.

We have all made mistakes in the past. But yeah, in this case it unfortunately resulted in him being let go. I understand why Disney let him go, but it's unfortunate that things turned out this way. It is unfortunate, and having now learned a bit more about how this was actually previously dealt with 6 years ago, I've become a bit less sympathetic to Disney's actions. This was dealt with 6 years ago, so why, when these people bring it up again (people who are specifically attacking Gunn to get him fired), do Disney talk about how they've "discovered" these tweets and now have to fire him (thus also letting these people win). They were aware and things moved on in 2012. It's interesting following the response online, with many celebrities and critics and people involved with the Hollywood scene actually having the courage to stand up for him despite his mistakes.

The Wikia Editor wrote: It's definitely going to be problematic if it ends up actually being Mardi Gras. I'm hoping that it will turn out to be some other kind of festivity, maybe part of that tradition that the friends of Tyrone's father were evidently preparing for every time we've seen them. Alternatively, they could simply not identify the festivity by name and we can simply assume it's something other than Mardi Gras. Well, not definitely, because it could help with the slight basketball problem as mentioned. Although if you're saying that the March date on the ID could have some significance, then yeah, that could be a problem.

Deadpooled123 wrote: But if it is Mardi Gras and Cloak and Dagger happens in 2017, then the date of Episode 9 and Episode 10 begin from February 28 2017? I dont understand what the big deal is?

If the oil explosion happened in March 2009, 8 years later would be February 2017... There seems to be no issue with this so please inform me of how Mardi Gras is problematic. Episode 8 explicitly talks about how it is the exact 8-year anniversary of the incident, so if it's now February 2017 then the accident would be February 2009.

But that's not why Mardi Gras would be problematic, it's because the basketball state finals would suggest the season is already in early-to-mid March at this point.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Because Episode 5 depicted the basketball state finals, which always occur in early-to-mid March (in 2017, they occured from March 6 to March 11). Also, Episode 8 explicitly takes place on the 8-year anniversary of the oil rig explosion. As such, Episodes 9 and 10 occur after exactly 8 years have already passed.

All of that is why Mardi Gras would be pretty problematic and I'm really hoping that it turns out to be something else. Exactly.

Deadpooled123 wrote: RIght. So then we can conclude it's either something post Mardi Gras or an event that isn't Mardi Gras. The Wikia Editor wrote: Yes, exactly. Yeah, if it's a problem, then hopefully we have some wiggle room.

Deadpooled123 wrote: I find it great ‘Stark’ was mentioned in a television show, this does depict a connected MCU as intended from Iron Man 10 years ago I'm not sure that they foresaw the extent of the inter-connectivity back in 2008, beyond perhaps just a wild dream. But I do always enjoy a reference (except when the Netflix shows start going on about "the Incident" and "the green guy" and don't just talk more explicitly about these things), such as this Stark reference and last week's Misty mention.

Mrmichaelt wrote: The Mardi Gras Indians appear at the Jazz Fest which is the last weekend of April and first weekend of May. It's the biggest thing next to Mardi Gras as well. Deadpooled123 wrote: But Cloak and Dagger takes place between February - March of 2017 though? Mrmichaelt wrote: Oh. Sorry. Let me just lay out my perspective. I think it could be March - April instead. It starts on a semi-final game of the state tournament which is usually early March. Then the rig incident was on April 18 (the year was 2007 but as we've seen with all the contradictions and what not - 2007 is totally in contention) and this past episode was "Ghost Stories" was on the anniversary so it would have been on April 18. So I was thinking a time skip between ep. 7 and 8 like one month could be possible. In my head, I was thinking O'Reilly got put on a leave of absence - standard protocol when an officer discharges their gun and she could have just returned to active duty because she said to Fuchs she passed her psych eval. Then ep 9-10 could lead up to the end of April.

Edit: fyi - I used this site for reference to look at dates on past high school basketball tournaments for New Orleans. http://www.maxpreps.com/playoffs/brackets.aspx?gendersport=boys,basketball&state=la A time gap is probably possible, I haven't really been focusing on the day-to-day stuff because I'd like a year first before I start doing all that, but you make a good point about the psych eval. April 18th is a possible date for the accident I guess, like how we've occasionally had to say "Right date, wrong year" to things before. Those incidents, though, are when the date (ignoring the year) happens to line up anyway so we might as well - like how Tony's return in Iron Man places itself in May so May 4th might as well be used, and the newspaper in Iron Man 3 places itself on December 23rd so December 23rd might as well be used (as a matter of fact, everything else placed it there anyway). There's nothing particularly placing it in April yet, but we'll see.

The Wikia Editor wrote: To be fair, Tony and the other Avengers have been mentioned on plenty of occasions in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the other Netflix shows. Tony was even mentioned by name in the very first episode of Luke Cage: Season 1.

However, I'm pretty sure that this is the first time that a non-Netflix show has mentioned a movie character and a Netflix show character in the same sentence. Good point, yeah, they're kind of grouping it all together, which is nice in this time when things are less connected.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Jazz Fest definitely sounds like the best option, all things considered. Also, we've been using this site as our primary source for the dates of the 2017 basketball season.

Since April 18, 2017 was a Tuesday, I guess we'll have to ignore the date on the phone entirely, which isn't really a big deal since the "October 5" date doesn't work anyway. There might also be a timeskip between Episodes 8 and 9, or 9 and 10.

We'll have to wait until the season is over before we can make any sort of definitive chronology of events.

Also, we're beginning to reach the 500 limit of this thread, so we'll have to start a new one soon. I agree I'm waiting until the season is over before I attack the exact dates of the events.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Well, I'm still hanging on it being 2015. For "Ghost Stories" in particular, I noticed Tyrone didn't go to school. I get it's the anniversary but it doesn't seem like they pull him out for a day. So I think it might be the weekend. And the only weekend April 18 fell on was in 2015. But indeed, still 2 more episodes to go before any definitive conclusions can be made. I'm just chalking up the October 5 date on Tyrone's phone as an error they didn't catch in post - probably the day they filmed that scene. The anniversary doesn't necessarily have to be on April 18th though, but thanks for checking that. I've pretty much let go of 2015 though at this point, it's just not looking at all possible. When I list all the evidence again after the season finishes next week, it might help again to give the full picture of where the evidence adds up to place things.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Part 10 Nice. These threads often go 1 or 2 over what you think they are going to from the URL comment number.

The Jessica Jones: Season 2 dates are finalised. I'll edit my message - the one with all the notes that's towards the top of this thread - to update it with the finished working as soon as I've cleaned up my formatting, but my working is done, just not neatened up. The results come from working with the 5/5/2017 date and reasoning with the "2 weeks" line about Trish slapping her mother and "several weeks" line about Griffin being in Syria against the day-to-day breakdown the show suggests. Here they are: I'll check those timings quickly soon as well, which will help the 2017 page and CirUmeUela.
 * Friday, April 7, 2017
 * Episode 1 beginning to minute 11ish.
 * Friday, April 14, 2017
 * Episode 1 minute 11ish to minute 17ish.
 * Friday, April 21, 2017
 * Episode 1 minute 17ish to minute 19ish.
 * Friday, April 28, 2017 (need to check the timings of the events to fit them against the events already on the 2017 page. Whenever that comes up I'll denote it with an "X")
 * Episode 1 minute 19ish to minute 27ish.
 * Saturday, April 29, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 1 minute 27ish to minute 28ish.
 * Sunday, April 30, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 1 minute 30ish to 38ish.
 * Monday, May 1, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 1 minute 38ish to end.
 * Tuesday, May 2, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 2 beginning to end.
 * Wednesday, May 3, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 3 beginning to minute 15ish.
 * Thursday, May 4, 2017
 * Episode 3 minute 15ish to minute 37ish.
 * Friday, May 5, 2017
 * Episode 3 minute 37ish to end.
 * Saturday, May 6, 2017
 * Episode 4 beginning to minute 30ish.
 * Sunday, May 7, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 4 minute 30ish to end.
 * Monday, May 8, 2017
 * Episode 5 beginning to minute 3ish.
 * Tuesday, May 9, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 3ish to minute 35ish.
 * Wednesday, May 10, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 35ish to minute 44ish.
 * Thursday, May 11, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 44ish to minute 47ish.
 * Friday, May 12, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 47ish.
 * Saturday, May 13, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 48ish.
 * Monday, May 15, 2017
 * Episode 5 minute 48ish.
 * Wednesday, May 17, 2017
 * Episode 5 minute 48ish.
 * Thursday, May 18, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 5 minute 48ish.
 * Saturday, May 20, 2017
 * Episode 5 minute 48ish to end.
 * Episode 6 beginning to minute 9ish.
 * Sunday, May 21, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 6 minute 9ish to minute 40ish.
 * Monday, May 22, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 6 minute 40ish to end.
 * Episode 7 beginning to end.
 * Episode 8 beginning to end.
 * Episode 9 beginning to minute 2ish.
 * Episode 8 end and Episode 9 minute 2ish.
 * Episode 9 minute 2ish to 14ish.
 * Tuesday, May 23, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 9 minute 14ish to end.
 * Wednesday, May 24, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 10 beginning to minute 15ish.
 * Thursday, May 25, 2017
 * Episode 10 minute 15ish to minute 33ish.
 * Friday, May 26, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 10 minute 33ish to end.
 * Episode 11 beginning to minute 4ish.
 * Saturday, May 27, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 11 minute 4ish to end.
 * Episode 12 beginning to minute 4ish.
 * Monday, May 29, 2017 (X)
 * Episode 12 minute 4ish to end.
 * Episode 13 beginning to minute 4ish.
 * Tuesday, May 30, 2017
 * Episode 13 minute 4ish to minute 40ish.
 * Wednesday, June 7, 2017
 * Episode 13 minute 40ish to end.

I've got several tabs open for things I'm working on at the moment.

To reiterate what Marvelous said - if this is the final post on this thread (if not, it'll most likely be the next one), as soon as this thread is finished, we will be moving to Part 10.