Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180718032908

Cornstomper wrote: So essentially now where Ant-Man and the Wasp were during Infinity War  is now an even BIGGER mystery, and that's my main point. Marvelous 345678 wrote: There is no question to get resolved. Heroes are not supposed to be everywhere where a situation goes to sh*t. Ant-Man and the Wasp occurs before Infinity War and they are very bussy with its stuff. The reasom of why the Avengers didn't ask Scott to go out is because they know he wants to spend time with his family.

And BEJT, that is so grest bro!!! I am happy now. Deadpooled123 wrote: Marvelous345678 - this is exactly the kind of individuals l was specifying when they say "Oh.. why can't Iron Man greet Jessica Jones? Like aren't they in the same universe????" ... big time smh.

If you have watched Ant Man and The Wasp, you really don't need an answer for your own question Cornstomper... Cornstomper wrote: Am I crazy for thinking this is a weird excuse for not having someone as valuable as Ant-Man when literally half the universe is at stake? Cornstomper wrote: We've just heavily discussed that the movie takes place before infinity war, and there's this big gap of mystery between it and the post credits where Infinity War happens, and Scott and Hope are perfectly able and free during this time. Marvelous 345678 wrote: This is a friendly message. Don't take it with insolent intention. And it is mostly taken with an in-universe point of view.

Okay. Half of universe is at stake... And what? Two Avengers less. Three Avengers less... That wouldn't affect at all. The whole world was at stake when Ultron attacked Sokovia and we didn't see the Ancient One trying to do something... She doesn't care. The Battle of New York took place... Carol Danvers wasn't there. She must have heard of it anywhere she is and get there. (We don't know exactly where she is but for comedic purposes:v)

An entire building exploded in Ant-Man's fight against Yellowjacket. The Avengers weren't there. Multiple bombing on Hell's Kitchen a big part of New York City, Iron Man didn't do sh*t.

The president is kidnapped and possibly the states of the USA will go into chaos, none of The Avengers intervene... The S.H.I.E.L.D. team was aware of Thanos' arrival and they just focused on eding Talbot's threat and nothing else.

Daredevil was aware of the Kilgrave's situation (confirmed on Defenders) and never got involved. The Helicarriers went down on Washington D.C. and Iron Man could have perfectly gone there to help his friends. He did it? No.

Chitauri weapons are on the black market which could possibly get someone really hurt and a lot of deads. People is messing with something that they don't understand. Parker alerts Tony Stark and what does he do? Does he use all of his resources to use his satellite to track down the position and personally take down Vulture's team? NO.

Abomination causes destruction on Harlem city. The entire battle happened about 25 minutes. People is scared. News are on the TV. Stark is Iron Man by the time. He could have used one of the armors he had left and go to Harlem to try to help. Did he?

The Punisher leaves in Queens and causes massacres all the way. Bombings are made. Spider-Man may have been hanging out with friends or doing homework while Punisher was shooting on the streets. Did he go there? To protect his beloved neighborhood?

Midland Circle falls. Iron Man leave in New York. Did he go to help? Nope.

Iron Man said it: They can't handle everything.

Scott Lang and Clint Barton were perfectly capable of doing something during the Infinity War. And the Avengers knew that but there are these questions... And Cap may have thought: "They are not longer currently on house arrest and could be anywhere. A crazy Mad Titan is coming to Earth with his minions probably more powerful than the Chitauri. Our powerful ally (Vision) was comoletely defeated. We can't protect him while we try to find out more allies. They could ambush us right now and we could lose. We don't have time to search for them and take them with us. F*ck everyting. Lets go to Wakanda"

Plus, the Avengers talked about Spider-Man too and I am very sure that the news didn't mention anything about him being abducted by the space ship with Iron Man. So if they didn't try to look for Spider-Man, why would they bother when (as you said it) half the universe is at stake...

I hope that answered your question. Deadpooled123 wrote: That was a silly answer Cornstomper. Hopefully you're not a troll. Marvelous 345678 wrote: Hey. No need to call anyone a troll. Cornstomper have a point but if you think about it seeing the MCU as a whole and reading comics and seeing how not every single character tries to do something Dr. Doom plans to take over the world then you don't have to think too much about why Hawkeye, the Defenders, s.H.I.E.L.D., Runaways, Cloak and Dagger or Ant-Man and the Wasp got involved during the Infinity War Ben 1,000,911 wrote: What I didn't consider was the Avengers might not even be fully aware as to the exact sentence of Scott Lang's house arrest and/or know when it ends. This might seem like a cop-out but it's true that they knew about Spider-Man yet didn't try to contact him, so rather than not mentioning trying to contact Ant-Man the characters in the movie say he's on house arrest. It'd be a good way to resolve the timeline issues, then Ant-Man and the Wasp doesn't have to run concurrently with Infinity War, only the Ant-Man and the Wasp aftercredit scenes do. Again, I can't really contribute to this discussion having not seen the film, but at least from what I'm aware of, I think Cornstomper's not so much asking where they were during Infinity War but just bringing up the point that in Infinity War they specify that Ant-Man is under house arrest, when his sentence must have actually finished by then. It's something I had considered as well, but there's a few ways of explaining it and I'll see what I think in just over 2 weeks. No need to call Cornstomper a troll if the film doesn't spell out the answer. It's not a usual situation of the TV and film characters not interacting, it is indeed a little odd if Ant-Man is out and about and available and yet they didn't contact him when we know they have contact with him and have brought him in before (and he's not like Spider-Man who's just a teenager they might want to keep out of the situation).

Another explanation I might just throw in, although I don't know if this holds up with the film - the Sokovia Accords still hold, and Scott is under probation. Just because he's out of house arrest doesn't mean he's free, he's only 2 years into the 5 years of his deal because he has 3 years of probation after his house arrest is done. That could explain why they mention that he's still under his deal. As well as this, a second breaking of the Accords could lead to a more severe sentence.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I suspect that it's also partially because it fits Jessica's character. She's more of a loner type and has trouble asking for help from those who are already in her life, let alone from those whom she met on a crazy adventure involving semi-immortal ninjas. Although it appears that she does maintain at least some contact with Luke and Danny, since Danny mentioned that she was also there for Luke if he needed any help. Yeah, that makes sense. And I liked Danny mentioning Jessica because Jessica does kind of get left out of the crossovers, so to mention that she's got Luke's back made me happy.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I think that whether or not proposed timespan could work is kind of dependant on whether or not the assumption are within reason. In this case, the agents have been slowly falling apart and growing more distant from each other from Episode 11 onwards due to a combination of stress, trauma, betrayal and, in some cases, a foreboding sense that they can't change the future and are doomed to fail no matter what.

Factoring all of this, it's perfectly plausable that, after returning to the Lighthouse, the team pretty much buried themselves in their respective tasks for several weeks in order to maintain some semblance of cohesion and productivity.

That being said, assuming that we go with your proposed 9 days, that might need some revision. If we're going with my proposed timeline, Deke gets injured on February 15, which, if we assume a 10 day recovery period, would put his recovery on February 25, which is a Sunday.

Since Episodes 19-22 run concurrently with Infinity War, they take place on Wednesday-Thursday. The next Wednesday after February 25 is February 28. As such, it would mean that the season finale and Infinity War occured on February 28-March 1. It could work, but I would personally prefer to add a week or two to it in order to have it be more in the middle of the month rather than at the start. I think Ant-Man and the Wasp is going to have to go in March, aligning with this idea of, after 18 months, applying to get 3 months off of the final 6. I'll go into it a bit more further down.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Yeah, discussions on the matter are not the best. It's always important to remember that the most vocal people don't always represent the majority. I don't hate the Sequel Trilogy and I actually do like the characters. I just wish that it didn't have this context of wiping away decades of books, comics, etc. in order to make these stories happen, especially since the first of these stories was basically just a retread of A New Hope.

I do like plenty of things in The Last Jedi, particularly the interactions between Rey and Kylo Ren and, of course, seeing Mark Hamill as Luke. The use of symbolism is quite good, such as Luke's journey beginning and ending with him looking at twin suns and the fact that there is never any actual lightsaber duels in the entire movie.

But the actual context feels off, like having Luke die the way he did without actually fully fixing his past mistakes feels a bit premature. It's like if Tony Stark randomly died during the battle with Thanos by being hit by one of his own missiles. Symbolic? Sure. Appropriate? I'm not sure.

Anyway, opinions are divided across the board and I'm one of those people in the middle who likes some of it, dislikes some other parts of it and, in general, is just hoping that they'll manage to wrap it all up in a satisfactory manner. I really appreciate your willingness to discuss opinions in a balanced way - not going to extremes and also actually having a discussion. It's something sorely missing from much of the Star Wars fanbase (and much online film discussion in general) these days.

The Wikia Editor wrote: This is really good stuff. So, that makes a March 2018 placement rather ideal and also means that the movie can't be too long before Infinity War, at least not "weeks" before as some people have suggested, since that would put the movie in February.

Anyway, assuming they're not in any way concurrent (aside from the post-credits scene), it would put the events of Ant-Man and the Wasp in early March and Infinity War in mid-March. I think mid-to-late or late March will be the answer. I'm going to email my relative again in the morning just to clear up some of the minutiae of the exact number of days and things to pinpoint the dates we're looking at.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I think the main sticking point is that Scott's whereabouts are explicitly mentioned in Infinity War, whereas the non-involvement of characters like the Runaways and Cloak and Dagger is at least justifiable because none of the Avengers know them or even anything about them.

That being said, I agree that Scott's absence isn't really any kind insurmountable obstacle, there are plenty of plausable explanations for his absence. The Wikia Editor wrote: I was planning to mention that as well. The Avengers might think that Scott has to serve the full 24 months sentence and remain under house arrest until June 2018.

Still, the trailers for the movie seem to suggest that he's operating somewhat openly as Ant-Man. However, I haven't actually seen the movie yet, so it might just be isolated incidents within the movie more than anything. Yeah, there seems to be several explanations.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Thoughts but considering Ant Man and The Wasp begins on a Sunday based on opening dialogue (no spoilers here), would conclude it starts on 4 March 2018 leaving Infinity War to be late March 2018. Please share below. Thanks Marvelous seemed to think it might start on Saturday, but you're both suggesting roughly the same with the weekend.

It sounds to me from my relative's email that it's either going to be exactly 3 months removed (with some possible further wiggle room if there's the 2 days off from his prison sentence and all that) or the end of March. Like I said, I'll email her again in the morning to try and figure out the exact dates we'll be looking at, but it sounds like basically the end of his sentence will fall somewhere between March 21st and 31st.

Working back from that, basically, the weekend it begins would either be the 17th/18th or 24th/25th.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I would say, the film starts on mid March 2018 and Infinity War picks up on Late March 2018. I was thinking that the post credit scene could take place 8 days after the ending. If the film ends on Wednesday like you guessed and the mid-credits scene is the Thursday of Infinity War, you think it would be 8 days then, not 1 or 15 or whatever? From what I've heard, that would roughly make sense, giving a reasonable chunk of time (seeing as you guys seem to think it suggests a feeling of a few weeks) yet also mostly minimising the gap to get Infinity War as early as possible.

If Ant-Man and the Wasp finishes roughly 21st/22nd then I'm guessing we'd be looking at Infinity War being 28th-29th, and if Ant-Man and the Wasp finishes roughly 28th/29th then I'm guessing we'd be looking at Infinity War being April 4th-5th.

With a roughly 9-day gap between Episodes 18 and 19 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (though that's not properly decided yet), we'd be looking at something along these lines (or translated to a week later):
 * c. Thursday, March 15th - Episode 14. 2.5 months since Episode 13. Snow on the ground, not impossible. Beginning of Episode 15.
 * c. Saturday, March 17th - End of Episode 15.
 * c. Saturday, March 17th/Sunday, March 18th - Beginning of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 * c. Sunday, March 18th - Episode 16. Episode 17. Beginning of Episode 18.
 * c. Monday, March 19th - End of Episode 18.
 * c. Wednesday, March 21st/Thursday, March 22nd - End of Ant-Man and the Wasp.
 * c. Wednesday, March 28th-Thursday, March 29th - Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War. 9 days since Episode 18. About a week or 8 days or so since the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp. Wednesday-Thursday, as shown by Tony's flip phone.

Deadpooled123 wrote: and based on the above, Infinity War begins 28/3 and finishes on 29/3 if correct which accomodates against Ant Man and The Wasp in the timeline (again, no spoilers). Marvelous 345678 wrote: Seems about right to me. Yup, that matches what I've just written so yeah. Sounds about right to me.

Deadpooled123 wrote: so Deke's arm is under an approximate healing duration of 40 days? does this make sense as a start to what seems as hypothetical? I don't really know what your second question means, but no, not 40 days. The Wikia Editor was using a late February date for Infinity War when he suggested mid-February for Episodes 14-18. But if Infinity War is going in late March, then Episodes 14-18 would be somewhere around mid-March.

Deadpooled123 wrote: okay. so l have Ant Man & The Wasp from 4/4 (Sunday) to 16/4 (post Infinity War with the last credit scene), Thor: Ragnarok ends on 15/4, Infinity War begins on 15/4 and ends on 16/4, Agents of SHIELD must... MUST begin on 16/4 post Thanos's snap even if the newly released synopsis may tell otherwise. Wait, why have you changed your mind to April? And the 4th was a Sunday in March, not April. Whatever the case, your previous suggestion was closer I feel, as I've broken down a bit, further up.

Deadpooled123 wrote: My only concern now is figuring the placement of Cloak and Dagger s1 and Luke Cage s2 in relation to each other. Based on this, Cloak and Dagger (if prior to Luke Cage) would have to be Feb to March 2017 ensuring Luke Cage s2 is indeed Aug to Sep 2017. We're not particularly looking at 2018 for Cloak & Dagger. It's looking more and more likely that it will be February-March 2017, which works with the fact that Luke Cage: Season 2 is August-September 2017 and, according to Emma Lahana's comment, should indeed be after Cloak & Dagger: Season 1.

Luke Cage: Season 2 places itself in August-September 2017.

Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 has a very contradictory set of evidence but is looking likely to place itself in February-March 2018.

Emma Lahana suggested that O'Reilly has just arrived in New Orleans in Cloak & Dagger: Season 1, and since O'Reilly has already moved to New Orleans in Luke Cage: Season 2, this suggests that Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 is before Luke Cage: Season 2. And the evidence happens to be aligning that way anyway.

Nearly finished with my Jessica Jones: Season 2 finalising calculations.