Thread:BEJT/@comment-26454055-20180527061022/@comment-26454055-20180718014938

BEJT wrote:

I would guess the Scarfe flashbacks are 2014, yes, about a year or so before Season 1, so November 2014-ish. You've put the first two flashbacks as 2014 and the last as 2013, was it intentional that you're suggesting Earl's death comes before the previous two? Because I think they're supposed to be in order, Earl is mentioned as still alive in the second one and then, of course, has died by the third. And Misty discusses the thought that it's possible Scarfe was a bit corrupt even before Earl's death - I don't think the scene framing Cockroach has to be after Earl's death just because he's being a bit dodgy, I think the three scenes are just intended to be in order.

Yeah that's why I put it as 2013 because I assumed Scarfe's son had died before he started going corrupt. But I didn't catch the details you did so that makes more sense.

BEJT wrote: The stuff with Reva and Luke's time in prison is a bit odd now. From Season 1, the information we had about the Seagate flashbacks was that: So using that information, we worked with the middle of the flashbacks being roughly June 2013 - the midpoint between these dates (I'm not sure we got the dates quite perfect the first time around 2 years ago - the dates on the 2013 page, but that was the intention, and they're in the right sort of area).
 * In November 2015, Shades had only just been released from a 3-year stint in Seagate prison. So he began his sentence around October/November 2012. Shades is present from pretty much the beginning of the flashbacks so they have to be after October/November 2012.
 * Jessica Jones: Season 1 showed that Reva died on January 20, 2014. So Luke escaped and married her before January 20, 2014.

But Shades says in Season 2, Episode 12, "My last year in Seagate, me and Comanche got paid by this juiced-in guard, Rackham, to beat the s**t out of some guy named Carl Lucas. We broke him down, Billy Batts style. Lucas should've died. But some shady-ass prison doctor did an experiment, and he came out bulletproof. Smashed his way out of jail with his bare hands." But Shades' "last year" would be about October/November 2014 to October/November 2015, when Luke's already out. Luke gets in two fights with Shades and Comanche during his time in Seagate, but it's only the second one where they're trying to kill him and where Luke then went into the experiment, so it's the very end of the flashbacks we're talking about - but still, yeah, that can be absolutely no later than January 2014.

I'm thinking that we might have to move the flashbacks to maybe late 2013. I was considering early 2014, which would make a bit more sense if Shades had maybe been out for a bit longer than he made it sound by November 2015 (maybe a few months), which would mean his last year began around mid-2014, and/or then he's kind of thinking, "It was in 2014, my final full year". But I just can't see Luke's escape being early January 2014, because that gives them only a couple of weeks from Luke's freedom to Reva's death, and the implication is that they had settled nicely, and of course they got married in that time as well. But probably late 2013, just because at least that's a bit closer to fitting the statement. Shades' statement suggests it's <1 year before he left prison. Currently it's like 2.2 years before Shades left, moving it to late 2013 would get it to more like 1.9.

I can't remember right now how many months I worked out the Season 1, Epsiode 4 flashbacks should span - I have some notes somewhere from when I went back and watched the season again last year, and I meant to get around to improving their placement on the 2013 page. I'm also going to have to look at the flashback with his parents visiting and compare it side-by-side with Season 1, Episode 4 to see where it falls in terms of his hair length, but for now I'd guess it's earlier in his time in prison, so Autumn/Fall 2013? Sorry not to be more specific, I'll try to be a bit more specific in the next few days.

And the best place to put the shot of him in bed with Reva I guess would be the halfway point between his escape and her death, so something like December 2013/January 2014? Sorry, again, I'll try and get more specific in the next couple of days.

Yeah that sounds complicated, sometimes it seems like the writers don't think everything through. But that's fine, I can wait for your more specific notes.

BEJT wrote: Those are good guesses for the Bushmaster flashbacks. I would say that perhaps the 1984 stuff might actually even be late 1983ish, the earliest part of the "mid-'80s", because Cornell is significantly younger than he is when he kills Pistol Pete. We know he was 14 when he killed Pete, but he's not only 14 but looks like he's in his later teens, so is probably in the later part of 14. With him quite a bit younger here, we'd want it to be several years before April 1987. It has to be less than 4 years prior, so it might just be the only real option to push it towards as early as possible (I classify the mid-'80s as from 0.33333-0.66667 through the 1980s, so from about May 1, 1983-August 31, 1986), about 3.5 years before, around late 1983 or so. And that would make the "two years later" more like late 1985. I'll be doing the exact calculations soon, so I'll be sure to let you know the exact dates then.

Alright, sounds good.

BEJT wrote: Hope that at least helps for now to have some ballparks to work with. Will be getting back to you soonish with more finalised Jessica Jones: Season 2 notes and then a bit later with finalised Luke Cage: Season 2 notes and the related dates of past events such as the Seagate flashbacks and the mid-'80s stuff.

Cool, sounds good. Now some questions I have is how close are the second seasons of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones? Because we see Foggy in both. That's not much to go on, that could mean either Luke Cage or Jessica Jones happens first. Also, do we have to assume that Cloak & Dagger is at the same time as Luke Cage Season 2 or near the same time due to the O'Reilly stuff?

Also, I know you haven't seen AMATW yet, but I know you know the gist of the timeline for it. It might force us to move Infinity War a few months later, and also that means Agents of SHIELD Season 5 will be moved around a bit. I don't know if that will affect Runaways at all, just where AoS is in relation to it. I can't think of anything else to consider at the moment though, other than Thor: Ragnarok being moved to December 2017 or something, which I asked about in the other thread. You probably answered that already there, I just haven't read it yet.