Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190703223014

Avengers: Endgame and Loki (Driskoll Xun)
Driskoll Xun wrote: Doesn't anyone imagine that Hank Pym (with Janet van Dyne!) was able to improve upon Stark and Banner's rushed (he would say sloppy) work? Then return Rogers to the appropriate timeline?

And mostly unrelated:  It makes the most sense to me that The Ancient One herself orchestrated the fumble that allowed Loki to escape. I suppose we'll see soon enough how Loki is able to manipulate both Time and Space. I don't see what they would have been able to do. Tony and Bruce made the Quantum Tunnel, the Pym Particles were just the batteries essentially, improving them in some way wouldn't change how the time travel works. And Pym Particles are Pym Particles, we know in 50 years they didn't change in how they function as batteries for the time travel.

Why would the Ancient One orchestrate that? Also it doesn't look like Loki will be about that alternate timeline (thankfully, in my opinion).

Spider-Man: Far from Home (me, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Rman823, Mrmichaelt, DaenerysTheMadKhal58)
BEJT wrote: OK so I've seen Far from Home (a little bit disappointed by it, honestly. It was a lot of fun but Mysterio didn't work for me).

Timeline's mostly safe. I'll just say this: Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Yeah, the "I'm 16" thing was just mind-blowing.
 * Opening Mexico scene.
 * After that, it's the last day of school term, so late June (June 2019 nd June 2024 share a days of the week structure and this year New York high schools broke up on June 26th (1, 2, 3), so presumably the 26th), and they're looking back on the school year, and 8 months ago everyone came back. So the end of Endgame is around late October 2023, matching with the October 28th full moon.
 * The mention of the Snap being halfway through the year has enough wiggle room for what I said above. They just say that they'd already done their midterms, not that it was right after midterms, and the line is basically them complaining that they'd done a good chunk of the school year already but were then forced to retake the whole year after they came back. So it just about still works if the Snap is mid-May, just not late June. I guess we have a cemented Snap date now. I won't edit 2018 until I've done a little bit more work on Jessica Jones and know whether, if we were to use May 2018, it could fit.
 * They then go off on the trip, and I assumed it was about a month later because Peter now has his passport, and we know the passport scene will be in the short film for the Blu-ray, where it says issued July 19th. So I thought "OK, this has to be about July 20th now", but then they later say the opening Mexico scene was a week ago. So I guess since there's no actual July stuff in the film it should instead for now be early July since the opening scene can't be later than late June?
 * "Prague's annual carnival of lights" is shown which is actually in October in the real world but I guess it's July in the MCU.
 * Peter at one point says he's 16 which is frustrating. The only way he's 16 would be if he died younger than 16y4m in the Snap, making the Snap no later than December 2017, but no, it can't be. The only way I see us excusing this is he died before his 17th birthday and comes back after his birthday and hasn't yet had his 17th birthday, so while he's biologically over 17, if they're going for the sake of convenience with keeping birthdays, he could consider himself 16.
 * The line about "2 weeks" isn't in the film either, but also even if the trip is intended to be 2 weeks, the trip gets replanned during the film and then cut short, it only spans a few days, I'll have to work it out exactly with time zones.

I just came back from seeing it. Seems like the timeline is:

Mexico ---1 week---> Benefit ---Next Day---> Plane Ride/Venice ---Next Day---> Prague ---Next Day---> Germany/London ---1 week---> Daily Bugle Video

Overall, seems like the timeline is 17 days? They say in Venice that the expect the Prague attack to be in 48 hours. I'll do some working out of time zones and travel times and things in the next few days, but I imagine it's about 19 days.

Rman823 wrote: It's sorta crazy to think that Far From Home is taking place close to 8 years after Homecoming. Curious to see if the timeline will eventually catch up with itself with upcoming movies set post Endgame being either 2023 or 2024. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if GOTG Vol. 3 takes place shortly after Endgame. It really is weird. That did cross my mind as I was watching.

Yeah, I had assumed that the next few years of films would be quite crammed in the timeline, so it was odd to me that they already jumped another 8 months. Being so far ahead 2024 also means it's a bit weird that some characters, no spoilers, look no different than they did quite a while ago in the timeline (some of them you can say were maybe snapped, some you can't).

I would like it if they went back to the Phase Two system of films just being chronological again. Obviously next year's films are both prequels in some capacity, but it would be nice for the non-prequels to be chronological, with the prequels just particularly removed from the chronological order.

So something like: And so on until around 2026ish (yikes, so far away) when they catch up.
 * 2020 Black Widow - Early-to-mid-2000s.
 * 2020 The Eternals - Apparently set across millennia.
 * 2021 Black Panther 2 - 2024.
 * 2021 Doctor Strange 2 - 2024/2025 (one rumour says some stuff might be in the 1980s).
 * 2021 Spider-Man 3 - 2025.
 * 2021 Shang-Chi - 2025.
 * 2022 Captain Marvel 2 - Early 2000s or 2025.
 * 2022 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - 2025.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but 16 seems to work to me.

-Peter born August 2001. -Peter was 14 years old in Civil War (June 2016) -Peter turns 15 years old during/after, sophmore year in Homecoming (it's 2 months later) -Peter turns 16, junior in August 2017 -Peter is still 16 in Infinity War (2018) since it's before August -Peter returns in Endgame (Nov. 2023) at age 16 -Peter repeats junior year 2nd half in 1st half 2024? -Peter goes on summer vacation in July 2024, still considers himself 16 -Peter turns 17 in August 2024 even though chronologically he's been 16 for 7 years thanks to the Snap. That's what I was getting at when I said, "The only way I see us excusing this is he died before his 17th birthday and comes back after his birthday and hasn't yet had his 17th birthday, so while he's biologically over 17, if they're going for the sake of convenience with keeping birthdays, he could consider himself 16." It's how I excused it to myself when he says it in the film. It's not the end of the world.

By the way, Endgame is October, not November, since Hulk's snap is 8 months before late June.

The Snap has made people's ages much more... interesting😂. Peter's snapped classmates are also 6 school years below what they should be rather than 5, due to the fact that they had to retake about 7 months of work. The 2001 year are in with the 2007 year.

DaenerysTheMadKhal58 wrote: That sounds right to me. If I was Peter, I wouldn't change the day I celebrate my birthday, I'd just wait until August 10 again to call myself 17. So while he's physically 17, he still considers himself 16. I think Steve also did this after waking up in 2011. If I were president in this universe, I would implement a system where snapped people have to get new IDs. Say Peter was snapped on May 18, 2018 and returned on October 26, 2023, which is about the dates that will be the case once we've worked it out properly, they're 1987 days younger than they should be. So I would go from ID saying:

Date of birth: August 10, 2001

to:

SNAPPED Date of birth: August 10, 2001 Biologically: March 28, 2007

so they have that on their ID for proving their age.

And I would celebrate my birthday on the same day just without assigning a number to the birthday, while starting to call myself the next number of age when I hit my biological date.

But I get it if the world wants to be simpler (even if I actually think it's more complicated when you consider the wider implications) and Peter is only 17 once he's had 17 birthdays.

Ant-Man and the Wasp (ProBot1227)
ProBot1227 wrote: To each their own, but the date is the current date in-universe, and not like an email or something. That's not to say it might not be incorrect, though. We know it's the current date in-universe, but there's plenty of examples in the MCU where a current date in-universe on a device is nonetheless wrong. Like you say, it might be incorrect, either due to an in-universe reason such as it being incorrectly programmed, or just considered a film-making mistake.

But as it happens, it does now look like the date will be used.

Jessica Jones: Season 3 (The Wikia Editor, TomSexton1, Marvelus)
The Wikia Editor wrote: Having now finished watching Jessica Jones: Season 3, I can mention some timeline-related things from the final episode. Also, some of these have already been mentioned by BEJT.

It should be noted that the filming of this season began by the end of June and wrapped up on December 18.

Trish mentions debuting the spring-summer collection, which happens during Fashion Week. Fashion Week seasons are not in line with retail seasons. According to this site, the Spring/Summer Fashion Week is held in September, which lines up with iCloud's "Wednesday 5" calendar icon seen on Jessica's computer.

The Empire State Building lights are shown to be a pale green/white color. If September 5 is correct, then it should have been lit in its signature white color, so not particularly useful.

When Jessica is looking at a news report about Trish's attack on Patseras on her MacBook, an icon for "July 12" is visible. However, it looks like it could just be a generic icon for the calendar, rather than an indicator of the actual date.

Also, there is section called "Today's Headlines At A Glance" in the lower right corner on the screen. They're a bit blurry, but still partially readable. They are a follows:

Update: Winter Storm Likely To Hit The North: According to this site, the first prediction of the year was released on July 1, 2018 and TGMC revised their prediction after a change in the weather pattern on September 16, 2018.

3 Men Arrested For Burglary: I've found several news articles with similar headlines. 3 Arrested For Committing Showroom Burglaries In Connaught Place in Dehli on May 21, 2018. 3 Men Arrested In Casper In Connection With Buffalo Burglary on August 30, 2018. 3 men suspected in string of home burglaries arrested in Buffalo Grove, Illinois on November 14, 2018. 3 men sentenced for Yonkers burglary spree on November 21, 2018.

Update: Toddler Found Wandering The Street: There are a lot of those ranging from March to December, so it's not really useful for trying to narrow things down.

A lot of this seems to be suggesting an August-September placement, which I'm not particularly comfortable with for obvious reasons. I'd kept track of the filming dates for my predicting release dates blog. It's because of those filming dates that I'm sure the "Wednesday 5" is the day they filmed that finale scene in December, which isn't to say it's to be ignored.

So you think the spring/summer collection wouldn't indicate January, more September? Wow, that's a really weird time to launch a spring/summer collection, just after summer has finished, and obviously even more inconvenient for us.

The "Wednesday 5" also works for December 2018 (and I think it likely was filmed on December 5, 2018 considering it's the finale and they wrapped in mid-December). Just unfortunately it doesn't work for any months in 2018 prior to September.

Yeah, I don't think there's much to glean from the Empire State Building this season. There's no distinctive colour patterns.

Noted the July 12 and had to look up MacBook interfaces. If you go on Google Images, a lot of them say JUL X on the calendar icon, but I think that might just be because the official images Apple provide tend to use July dates. When I looked into user reviews with screen captures, they did seem to have the current date. But it's highly unlikely that scene was filmed on July 12th, so there is a good chance that in this case they used the standard icon rather than it showing the actual date.

Thank you for your notes about the news articles, I didn't catch those. It's annoying that they further point to later in 2018.

If it weren't for the Snap, this season would easily place in November-December, just with a couple of small inconsistencies. That's what makes this so tricky.

TomSexton1 wrote: Re: Jessica Jones season 3. Would this patch work (my reply to a previous post) the best, perhaps?

Having read BEJT's always comprehensive analysis, it appears that there are internal inconsistencies within the season, so we will never have a "true" answer. The major sources of clashes seem to be whether the season is pre- or post-snap (it must be pre, surely), and the possible inconsistency with Mother's Day. To my knowledge, Mother's Day isn't mentioned anywhere else in the MCU. Seeing as it occurs on different dates throughout the world in this universe (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Day), isn't it most parsimonious to assume that Mother's Day is celebrated in November in the MCU universe, thus making Jones season 3 happen in May 2018? I don't think it contradicts anything else that way. (As an aside, Trish's show is also syndicated in many countries, but I don't think her colleague was referring to North Korean mother's day somehow, which seems to be the only one that fits our universe's dates...)

So my tuppence worth: Make it May 2018 and change the MCU Mother's Day date. Then there are only internal seasonal inconsistencies, which would be impossible to completely remove anyway. Thank you TomSexton1.

There is a May calendar in The Punisher: Season 2 that shows Mother's Day is on the same day in the MCU. That is far from the be all and end all, it's not particularly prominent or clear, but it seems to me a big assumption to assume Mother's Day is a different day anyway.

However, as you say, since Mother's Day is different in different parts of the world, maybe that does help justify Mother's Day potentially not being as fixed a date between universes as things like Hallowe'en or Christmas which would be very, very hard to justify being different.

I think we're maybe leaning towards May anyway, whether or not you justify it with making assumptions about Mother's Day. We're just trying to work out how to justify a May placement.

The Wikia Editor wrote: There's a May calendar visible in Punisher: Season 2 on which Mother's Day is written, confirming that it occurs on the same date in the MCU. Also, they were definitely talking about the American Mother's Day.

That said, if we have to place the season post-snap, I'd go with November-December. It would be consistent with the Mother's Day line and the "Wednesday 5" date. It would also fit the weather of the later episodes, with leaves going brown and then falling off. Plus, it gets us pretty far from the snap, although it's still obviously problematic. I think the point TomSexton1 was making was more that since Mother's Day is different in different parts of the world, it's not a super fixed date, But yeah, it is tricky to assume it's different.

I agree, I would also go with November-December to line up with the Mother' Day line, the Wednesday 5, the football games, the "18 years" since April 2001, the weather, and getting it as far from the Snap as possible. But it does just seem wrong to be post-Snap at all.

Marvelus wrote: And can be even more problematic if when the characters return, we are told that they all died in the Snap. That's not a factor now though. There's a very good chance we'll never see the characters again so no point speculating some sort of hypothetical situation where they come back and they mention the Snap and that they all died.

The Wikia Editor wrote: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Yeah exactly.