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Daredevil: Season 3 Notes (CirUmeUela)
CirUmeUela wrote: Here are my notes for Daredevil Season 3. I went by what you have so far in your notes BEJT, for what I could at least. I did some of my own calculations. Let me know what you think of these placements. Thanks!

Daredevil 3.01: Resurrection 0:00-3:04 - May 10-14, 2016, right after Defenders (according to current placement on 2016 page) Matt survives Midland Circle collapse, is found the next morning and brought to church 3:04-7:30 - June 2016? weeks later, Matt wakes up in bed and asks questions 7:30-53:18 - Late 2017? rest of the episode (or does this need to be split up more across the year gap?) next day? some kids bother Matt in bed

Daredevil 3.01: Resurrection 11:30-15:48 - December 25, 2015 right after season 2 when Matt told Karen he's Daredevil

Daredevil 3.02: Please 8:35-11:26 - December 1998, Young Matt talks to Father Lantom

Daredevil 3.02: Please 18:22-18:58 - Also December 1998? Young Matt listens to people’s prayers in church

Daredevil 3.05: The Perfect Game 16:15-20:10 - Dex looks about 12 years old in this, so the age of Wison Bethel, actor for Dex, was born in 1984, this scene is about 1995-1997 Young Dex throws a baseball against the wall repeatedly, his coach brings him to the game, Dex kills his coach because he brought him out of the game *cut out Fisk if possible, the setting will look weird still but oh well 20:16-24:58 - Still 1995-1997, maybe a few weeks later Young Dex talks to his therapist about killing his coach 24:58-27:50 - Dex is maybe 17 years old here, so about 2000-2002 Teenage Dex talks to his therapist for the last time before she dies 27:50-29:28 - Dex worked at the suicide hotline center for a year, Julie worked here for 3 years, so Dex is maybe 30 years old here, so 2013-2015 Adult Dex works in a suicide hotline center

Daredevil 3.09: Revelations 2:46-5:12 - Maggie is maybe 20 years old when she meets Jack Murdock, the actress who plays older Maggie was born in 1961, Charlie Cox was born in 1982, so this scene is maybe 1981-1983 Sister Maggie meets Jack Murdock, shortly after they get in a relationship 5:12-6:40 - still 1981-1983, but 9-12 months later Matt is born, Maggie suffers postpartum depression and does not take care of Matt, she goes back to the monastery

Daredevil 3.10 Karen 0:00-29:22 - Late 2003/ Early 2004 Karen backstory Going with late June 2016 for Matt waking up, probably like the 30th to stretch "several weeks" as much as we can really because those time jumps in Episode 1 need to be as long as possible. I'll let you know the exacts of the time jumps soon but by halfway through the episode, when Fisk talks to Donovan about Vanessa, it is less than a month before the rest of the season. This is because it is said that the FBI visit him monthly, and when Ray visits him it's the first time he hasn't been unresponsive, actually talking to Ray because he wants to make a deal, knowing about Vanessa's situation. This strongly implies this is the FBI's first visit since Fisk found out about the situation Vanessa is in, so at most, that scene with Donovan was right after the last visit, so just under a month ago. Again, considering we have to extend all those gaps as much as possible, it probably will end up like 29 days before Ray's visit. But I hope that gives you some idea, between Matt waking up and the Fisk and Donovan scene is something like 15 months.

December 1998 was my approximation for that Matt flashback, though it's not the definite final date. But within a couple of months' estimate.

If you look at my notes, I worked out that the stuff with young Dex would be about 22y2m prior to Season 3 (with the young actor being about 11y10m old and Wilson Bethel being about 34y0m), so I guess around late Summer 1995. Then I worked out that the teenage Dex scene was likely about 14y1m prior to Season 3, so around September-ish 2003.

Dex was in the army after the call centre before the FBI, so it's got to have been a few years (also considering Julie assumes he might have forgotten her), but yeah, it doesn't seem like that long. I'd say it has to have been at least 3 years for him to have been in the army and got into the FBI and for Julie to think he might've forgotten her, but shouldn't be much more, so he probably finished around 2014, started in 2013. So the middle of that time would be around Spring 2013?

As I've mentioned further up, we have evidence to suggest Matt was born around early 1985 (c. February), so Maggie would have become pregnant around May 1984, and since she mentions that she wasn't breaking her vows in having sex because she hadn't yet made them at the time, that means that when Matt was conceived, it was before Maggie took her vows. In the scene where she meets Jack, it is said that she is 3 weeks away from taking her vows, so if Matt was conceived in May 1984, then that scene can be no earlier than April 1984, less than 3 weeks before. I mention in my notes that Joanne Whalley was 56y6m old during filming, suggesting Maggie was born around Spring 1961, and Isabella Pisacane was about 22y0m old during filming, suggesting it's around Spring 1983. Obviously the evidence takes precedence, but basically, the ages are very close to what the evidence actually tells us. But yeah, boxing scene April 1984, becomes pregnant May, gives birth February 1985.

I have worked out (though have been unable to post the notes yet due to my laptop problems) that the Karen flashbacks are March 2004. You'll be able to see the reasoning soon.

Captain Marvel (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: Another possible monkey wrench for Captain Marvel, from Larson's tweet about voting - some people are thinking it hints at 1991 or 1992. Yeah, so basically, explaining this for people, you can see two copies of a poster in the bottom right, both obscured, but with one you can see the end of it,, saying "AUGUST 29", and with the other you can see the beginning, "11:00 THURSDAY AUGUST", overall meaning it says "11:00 THURSDAY AUGUST 29". August 29th fell on a Thursday in the '90s in 1991 and 1996.

Meanwhile, the "Rock the Vote" campaign occurred in 1992. So overall, put together, this would probably suggest the film is in 1992, and those August posters were from 1991 and just left up for a year or so. However...

BEJT wrote: Will respond soon but thought I'd drop this here. Captain Marvel set in 1995. Apparently Captain Marvel is set in 1995. This is probably the best solution from every piece of evidence we have so far: As noticed when the trailer came out and, with the green line and Blockbuster, suggested 1995-1996, this technically isn't correct with "early '90s", but while it's wrong, 1995 is still closer to being "early '90s" than like 1999. And on the other hand, it's closer to a decade before Iron Man than "early '90s" would suggest (it's about the halfway point between Feige's "early '90s" (c. 1991) and Clark Gregg's decade before Iron Man (c. 1999)). It fits perfectly with the deageing 25 years as I explained before, and it hopefully fits with the trailer evidence which placed it between August 1995 and December 1996, assuming it's August, September, October, November, or December 1995.
 * "Early '90s" (1990-1993, latest 1994).
 * "About a decade before Iron Man" (c. 1999).
 * "Deaged 25 years" (as I explained before, this at face value suggests 1993-1994, though technically suggests 1995).
 * Blockbuster still called "Blockbuster Video" (December 1996 or earlier).
 * Green line in L.A. open (August 1995 or later).
 * And the above.

It doesn't fit too well with the evidence above, but at least it technically doesn't contradict it. You just have to assume that the posters have been up there for 3-4 years... but 1995 is the only year (well, 1996 as well) really that doesn't contradict anything.

Mrmichaelt wrote: 1995, alright. Good year to expand on S.H.I.E.L.D.'s activities. Does that does thin down the possibilities of when Fury becomes Director? He was by the late 90s wasn't he - when Hawkeye and Black Widow were recruited? Black Widow wasn't recruited until c. 2005 - there's a mistake on the 1990s timeline page from before my time that will come up further down this reply. We don't know when Hawkeye was recruited, presumably some time in the '90s.

I wonder if Fury might become promoted at the end of the film or something, or if we will still just wonder at what point between 1995 and 2009 he became director.

Captain Marvel Prelude (MrRLopez, Mrmichaelt)
MrRLopez wrote: Captain Marvel Prelude comic was released yesterday and it gives a hit of what Fury and Hill were doing between Age of Ultron and Infinity War. However it doesn't say where they were when they were dusted (Chicago or New York). We came to the conclusion based on number plates that it was Atlanta, where it was filmed.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I found it to be another of the lackluster preludes with piecemeal info amid heavy recaps of movies riddled with vague timestamps. It it didn't even involve the title character, she was just hinted at. I wonder if the Art of Infinity War might reveal the city Fury and Hill were in.

So the 3 new segments in the Captain Marvel Prelude seem easy enough to place.

1. Nick Fury and Maria Hill watch the Leipzig battle footage. On page 7, she tells Fury Tony's last stop was The Raft but can't pinpoint where Rogers and Barnes took the Quinjet. So that's around the time Tony deploys to Siberia after Ross gives him the stiff shoulder at The Raft and Black Panther follows.

2. Syria. Months Later. That's a "continuation" from the op in the Infinity War Prelude #1. It goes sideways when a response team shows up and opens fire. They run the dirty bomb to the Quinjet and Fury is waiting.

3. Tony tests the new Iron Man suit at the New Avengers Facility R&D Lab but is paid a visit by Maria Hill. This one was a little tricky. But the next scene is the Infinity War end tag with Fury and Hill and that is stated to be Months Later after Hill's visit to Tony. So I think it's safe to place that in January/early 2018. Yeah I didn't love the comic, though it's better than a mere adaptation, at least it fills us in on something new.

But yeah, I need to sit down and properly work this out, but I think it kind of runs parallel with the first Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, with stuff going on with Steve's team in the Middle east and Tony testing his Mark L armour.

But we have:
 * (With present day being the end of Infinity War, "Years ago...": Battle of Sokovia.
 * "Later...": End of Age of Ultron.
 * "Not long after..." (seriously, they're so scared😂): Fury watches footage of the airport fight after (some camera-person apparently had a very close-up shot...). Mentioned that Thor is still missing, Steve, Bucky, and T'Challa have disappeared and Tony was last seen at the Raft, so this is some time between Tony's visit to the Raft and T'Challa dropping off Zemo/Tony returning Peter. Fury and Hill decide to vanish. Hill mentions that they should keep an eye on the Raft because Streve might need help breaking in, so it's before the escape. Likely June 24, 2016.
 * "Months later", Syria. Fury visits Steve (c. late 2016/early 2017?). "And it ain't even Christmas yet."
 * Hill visits Tony, who is testing the Mark L (c. Autumn/Fall 2017?).
 * "Months later", Infinity War credits scene.

OK, revisiting the Infinity War Prelude - this also ties in with the Black Panther credits scene dates, which I've just finally pinpointed for finishing writing up the film:
 * They finish dropping off Wanda with Vision on June 28, 2016.
 * "Weeks later...": Civil War mid-credits scene.
 * "Months later...": Shuri is nearly there with Bucky.
 * (Implied to be at the same time, "Wherever he is now"): Steve's team deal with a terrorist shipment in Syria. Steve says they shouldn't call in Tony, and Sam says they need to go to Lebanon. This is definitely connected with the Captain Marvel Syria stuff, but it's unclear which comes first. On the one hand, this is "months later" after July 2016 and the Captain Marvel one is "months later" after June, so just talking naturally, it would go Captain Marvel then Infinity War. As well as this, in the Infinity War Prelude, they are about to leave for Lebanon, but in Captain Marvel they are still in Syria (though they could have just returned there). However, in the Infinity War Prelude, Sam brings up Tony like they haven't discussed it much so it would make a little more sense if Fury's contact with them is after that, but at the same time, it would also make sense for Sam to be bringing it up following Fury's visit, and overall, I would go with Captain Marvel Prelude scene then Infinity War Prelude scene due to the natural order and the fact that they leave Syria after the Infinity War Prelude.
 * Tony works on the design for Mark L. This is before his actual testing of it in the Captain Marvel Prelude.

OK, so I reckon:
 * May 2015, CM - Battle of Sokovia.
 * May 2015, CM - End of Age of Ultron.
 * June 24, 2016, CM - Fury watches footage of the airport fight and he and Hill vanish.
 * June 26-28, 2016, A:IW - Breaking out from the Raft and taking people to where they need to go.
 * July 16, 2016, A:IW - "Weeks later" after June 28, 2016. However, Steve's bruises are still there, as little time as realistically possible. Needs to be after Black Panther, so at least July 7, 2016, and should be at least 2.5 weeks later, so July 16, 2016. Going with July 16, 2016, just over 2.5 weeks later.
 * c. Early December 2016, CM - Fury visits Steve. "Months" after June 24, 2016 would suggest around late 2016/early 2017, but taking into account that he says "And it ain't even Christmas yet", it shouldn't be late December/January (it would be weird to say it right after Christmas or immediately before Christmas, during the heavy Christmas season), so should be a little earlier, likely early December 2016.
 * c. Early 2017, A:IW - "Months later" after July 12, 2016, Shuri is nearly there with Bucky.
 * c. Early 2017, A:IW - Implied to be at the same time as the Shuri scene and shouldn't be too long after early December 2016 Syria scene anyway so no need to make it further along, Steve's team operate in Syria then move on to Lebanon.
 * Between early 2017 and Autumn/Fall 2017, around May 2017-ish?, A:IW - Tony finishes the Mark L design.
 * c. Autumn/Fall 2017, CM - "Months" before Spring 2018, Hill visits Tony, who's testing the Mark L.
 * Spring 2018, CM - Infinity War credits scene.

And finally, working out the exact dates for the Black Panther stuff, I got this:
 * July 16, 2016 + "months later". Absolute minimum, 2nd month after, September 1, 2016. Minimum possible, 2 months after, September 16, 2016. Minimum realistic, 3rd month after, October 1, 2016. Overall minimum, ([September 1, 2016]*1+[September 16, 2016]*2+[October 1, 2016]*4)/(1+2+4) = September 22.42857, 2016. Maximum realistic 9th month after, April 30, 2017. Maximum possible, 11 months after, June 16, 2017. Absolute maximum not yet in the realm of "2 years", December 31, 2017. Overall maximum, ([April 30, 2017]*4+[June 16, 2017]*2+[December 31, 2017]*1)/(4+2+1) = June 17.42857, 2017. Halfway point between overall minimum and overall maximum, ([September 22.42857, 2016]+[June 17.42857, 2017])/2 = February 3.42857, 2017. February 3, 2017.
 * Shuri would have begun work on Bucky at some point between July 8, 2016 and July 16, 2016, so around July 12, 2016, with Bucky going into the ice on July 16, 2016 and that helping her more - overall, it's basically like her project began on July 14, 2016 because those first 4 days were kind of half-days of work in terms of how much she could get done. Then in the Avengers: Infinity War Prelude, on February 3, 2017, she's been working on him for about 204 days, and she's about 80% done. So, she would finish after around (204)*(100/80) = 255 days, so a further 51 days later, March 26, 2017. So Bucky was likely woken around March 26, 2017, and the Black Panther post-credits scene is likely a further few days later, as the children seem to kind of know him and he seems to have basically just recuperated a bit after his cryo-sleep. So maybe 3 days later, overall, March 29, 2017.
 * Finally, the Black Panther mid-credits scene needs placing. The U.N. building has been completely fixed, so it should have been a while, but I don't know exactly how long that implies. However, the main events of Black Panther end on July 7, 2016, and then the ending in Oakland is likely a couple of weeks later, around July 21, 2016. So then the mid-credits scene should be somewhere between July 21, 2017 and March 29, 2017, around November 23-24, 2016. I'll have to work out which day based on time zones.

So there we have it, that's also decided.

The "Official" Timeline (Kaweebo, Edward Zachary Sunrose, Lifeincontext, Mrmichaelt, Ад12032016)
Kaweebo wrote: For those unaware...

[https://screenrant.com/mcu-timeline-official/ Marvel has released an official timeline. ]

And it sucks. As will be discussed further down, thankfully, it seems like we don't have to take it as official.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Honestly, aside from Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp being confirmed 2017 (which royally screws over AoS5, IF2 and DD3), everything else does seem to line up with what we've all believed for a while now. And I do like that they threw Marvel Television a bone with "SHIELD was formed in 1949", which ties into AoS 4 (and also retcons the date of the Agent Carter One-Shot from 1946 to 1949). No, Iron Man is 2009, not 2010, and Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Incredible Hulk are 2010, not 2011 - and in that order.

Aside from the fact that this timeline is pretty much invalid, the 1949 date makes no difference to Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter. The conclusion all along was that the one-shot takes place in 1946 but S.H.I.E.L.D. was founded in 1949.

Lifeincontext wrote: The timeline is the worst. Seriously...they completely ignored marvel TV.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Agent Carter series hints at why SHIELD was founded three years after the one shot. Howard Stark was occupied with the hearings, so SHIELD had to be out on hold and Peggy went back to the SSR. Well the show doesn't really hint it but it does provide hints that the one-shot took place beforehand, so indirectly implies S.H.I.E.L.D.'s foundation was delayed.

I wouldn't expect an official timeline to ever take into account TV. It's too much work on their part and Marvel Studios don't particularly care about the details of the TV timeline (I mean, they seemingly don't particularly care about the details of the film timeline, let alone TV). But if you mean the fact that there's evidence for some of the films in the TV shows that they haven't taken into account, that's probably true, considering the evidence provided by Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. for Iron Man being closer to 2009 and Infinity War being 2018 - though the films themselves also provide evidence for that that has also been ignored.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: That was the reasoning us fans gave to justify its on-screen date happening in the same year as season 1, but there was never anything concrete in the show aside from one 1-second clip in a montage of Peggy's exploits.

It taking place in 1949 makes much more sense, and is a simple enough retcon, just like Vision claiming in Civil War that Tony's been Iron Man for 8 years, when this official timeline (and I think our own as well) both maintain that Tony's only been Iron Man for 6 years by the time of Vision's statement. Not concrete, but that clip in the montage is a big detail and the dates in the one-shot very much place it in March 1946. I've gone into this before, it really doesn't make sense in 1949.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Damn, I'd be kind of embarrassed if I were the person(s) who 'worked' on that version of the timeline for the book. EDIT: Wait. This is from Titan, not directly from Marvel so more so I'd contest its validity.

Black Panther in 2017 makes no sense either.

I have to refresh myself with the AOS S4 reference though. EDIT: Coulson's history lesson about the Playground? Yeah Coulson mentions that the Playground was founded during the beginning of S.H.I.E.L.D. in 1949 in I think Meet the New Boss, and there's some other details like Peggy's S.H.I.E.L.D. file that suggest 1949.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Yes, Coulson saying the Playground was one of the final SSR bases, and under the command of Peggy around 1949. So it's not confirmation that SHIELD was founded in 1949, but it had to be around there, since the SSR likely wouldn't have put Peggy in charge of her own branch of their own volition. Yeah.

Mrmichaelt wrote: I'll have to rewatch that episode, the 2nd I think it was. I wasn't sure before because I only remembered Coulson saying she oversaw its construction in 1949. But I agree 1949 is a good guess. SHIELD had to have finally been activated by the start of the Cold War and events like the first Soviet atomic test in August 1949 or the start of the Korean War in June 1950. (and when Howard got tired of Hollywood, heh)

But that brings up another question, what's everyone's opinion about the SSR video from 1953 they played at the Smithsonian during Captain America: The Winter Soldier - was there still a SSR or was SHIELD already operating in secret and using the defunct SSR as a cover?

I think the earliest mention we really have of SHIELD being active was the late 60s with Simmons talking about that students' play room at SHIELD Academy being made in the late 60s and later in season 1, that file listing the black ops bases - I think it was Coventry given to SHIELD in 1968. I can't remember where it's said, it might have been Winter Soldier, but the SSR was integrated into S.H.I.E.L.D., becoming its science division. It still existed, but as a subsidiary of S.H.I.E.L.D..

Peggy's file says she was in the "Strategic Scientific Reserve" from 1940-1949, then the "SSR" from 1950-1985, so it can be assumed that essentially for legal reasons its official name was the Strategic Scientific Reserve when it was its own thing (often nicknamed the "SSR") and then its actual official name was the SSR when it was part of S.H.I.E.L.D..

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: The 1953 interview is available as a special feature on the Phase 2 box set, I believe. And in it, Joe Russo's character starts off by saying that they'd previously discussed the early days of SHIELD and now he wanted to move on to Captain America. So by 1953 SHIELD is already established, but in 1949 Peggy is overseeing an SSR base. I'd say SHIELD was formed between 1950 and 1951, honestly. Based on Peggy's file and the Playground line and I think there's some other evidence as well, though I can't think of it off the top of my head, S.H.I.E.L.D. was formed in late 1949.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Oh, cool! Didn't know there was a I guess 'extended version' of that interview. Then again, I didn't really follow the details of that set. Thanks for mentioning it. So kind of like the O.S.S., C.I.G., and C.I.A., a bit of overlap between the two until it was just S.H.I.E.L.D. at some point. Yeah I found out about that extended version recently. This isn't to do with the date S.H.I.E.L.D. was formed but just a comment - I wouldn't consider it hard canon, it's the same level as the deleted scenes where they're not technically canon but can give guidance for things because they're all-but. Because the extended version is essentially a deleted scene, as it canon exist as it is within the MCU, because it's in HD but filmed in 1953. The video is raw footage for the film and not an in-universe video because it hasn't been edited by Marvel to be in-universe-compatible. That's why I don't include it on my official canon list.

Ад12032016 wrote: I wanted to ask the "official chronology of the Marvel universe," which was recently released, a fake?

Sorry for mistakes. Mrmichaelt wrote: Marvel hasn't commented yet. Personally, I'd go with "incorrect" instead of "fake". Since it's from a book done by Titan Books and not something directly published by Marvel, the validity of the timeline should be questionable. It's the same issue like when that Thanos novel came out and it was mistakenly touted as a prequel to IW when it wasn't. Exactly. Not "fake", it's real, but it's incorrect and pretty much unofficial. As I go on to mention, articles have pointed out that this was not written by Marvel and is not the "official timeline" Feige told us was coming. In response, I have seen some discussion that, well, it's licensed from Marvel, it's approved by Marvel, it's an official book. This is true, but this is not the same as an official timeline detailing, from Marvel, the exact dates that everything took place, factually (which will likely come in May in Marvel Studios' own "First Ten Years" book).

And it's objectively incorrect in places. It is undebatably, undeniably wrong that Gamora was orphaned in 1987 as it suggests when this was said to be "almost 20 years" before Guardians of the Galaxy, or that the Starks were killed in 1989 as it suggests, or that Natasha joined S.H.I.E.L.D. aged 13-14, or that Black Panther is 2017 and after Homecoming, or that Infinity War is 2017. Phase One 2010 and 2011? Debatable. I would definitely argue wrong, but it's not objectively wrong, there is some evidence for that. But there is absolute hard contradiction with no support in this timeline that invalidates it, along with the fact that it has been reported as not counting as the official timeline.

BEJT wrote: According to MCU Cosmic, it is not officially from Marvel but rather just from the publisher (despite all the sites frustratingly misreporting it as an "official timeline". BEJT wrote: But yes, there's an article on MCU Cosmic which I linked in the discussions feature page about it which explains why this isn't official. Mrmichaelt wrote: This article is what BEJT was referring to I believe: About that official MCU Timeline... Indeed, this is the link I was referring to, it was a bit fiddly to be able to send it on my phone.

It's a shame that the damage has been done and this has been reported far and wide as an "official timeline", because thousands of people will read that and then not read the correction afterwards that it's not, and think that they now know the official MCU timeline. It's been a stressful few days reading these articles and people's responses.

However, I have also seen encouraging comments from people on Instagram posts and things about this, pointing out the flaws and also sharing far and wide the report that it is not the official timeline. Plus, many of the article headlines chose to focus on the fact that it "confirmed" that Homecoming was wrong, so for people who only read the headlines or only skim-read the articles, they might have only really picked up on the fact that Homecoming was wrong. And while it's not actually correct that this has "confirmed" it's wrong (because this timeline doesn't have the authority to "confirm" something), I'm not going to complain if more people have been informed that it is wrong/are under the impression that it has been confirmed incorrect. It basically has anyway, considering Joe Russo's joke about it and the "6 years" Infinity War line.

OK, something very unfortunate I've noticed about this timeline after seeing more of the actual pages here:

I'm concerned that the mistakes on this timeline are partially due to the mistakes that I hadn't rooted out yet in the wiki timeline. Because 1987 was indeed said to be the date Gamora was orphaned on this timeline until we found that mistake a few months ago and got rid of it (someone put it there years ago and no one noticed). And the same with the Black Widow 1998 stuff, that's a mistake that's been there for a while and I hadn't yet gotten around to getting rid of.

As for 2010 and 2011 for Phase One, that's what our timeline said until late Summer 2017, I think it was, when I made the changes.

If they started putting this together in Summer 2017, after Homecoming, and essentially copied our timeline... This is what it would look like (assuming the Stark deaths date is just a typo on their part forgetting to put "1991" so the point accidentally still falls under the "1987" heading). And then as Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Avengers: Infinity War came out, they just guessed them and added them where they guessed to their timeline (only getting 1 out of 3 correct).

I genuinely think this is what happened. Nowhere else is there a source on that Gamora date or that Black Widow date. It can't be coincidence. If they didn't copy our timeline, they copied someone else who copied our timeline.

I couldn't devote the time to cleaning up the articles yet because I'm busy and have my own personal life, but if this is a result of me not cleaning up the articles fast enough, I feel pretty rubbish. I wish I'd got the Phase One corrections done before Homecoming, and I wish I'd had the time to clean up the pages, but I know I couldn't have without causing myself immense stress.

I can't regret it because I know what I did what was best for my well-being, and I couldn't have anticipated the timeline becoming such a big deal after Homecoming. Ultimately, it's their problem if they chose to copy a timeline including dates that weren't sourced, and didn't do their research, and I shouldn't feel at fault for just not getting around to clearing up others' mistakes (especially when this is all voluntary and not my job). But it's still a big shame because if things were cleaned up sooner, then this "official" (but not, seemingly) timeline it seems would reflect our timeline everywhere except Black Panther and Infinity War. Even though it's pretty much not the official timeline, the timeline still got spread far and wide, and so the closer to the correct timeline, the better, obviously.

Personal Work (Mrmichaelt)
BEJT wrote: Sorry guys, I have had mid-semester exams and have just encountered unexpected laptop problems again. I'd really gotten going with writing up The Punisher and checking Runaways as well as finishing Black Panther, doing an episode/bit of film every few days, and also finishing my Daredevil notes, but unfortunately am unable to right now for a few more days. I will get back to work A.S.A.P., but also have been unable to properly respond here. I'm doing this on my phone and it's very fiddly to have to respond properly to everyone using quotes and formatting and things on my phone, so I'd rather just wait until I can do it much faster and easier on my laptop. I've only really been able to talk on the discussions feature using the app on my phone.

But yeah, sorry Daredevil notes and decision aren't done (I was due to finish them last week otherwise), sorry for the short break, and sorry for not responding. Mrmichaelt wrote: Best wishes on the exams. Always a hectic time for students and the worst things can and will always happen. But persevere! Thank, man! 2 out of 3 done and they've gone well. University's been reasonable so far, better than my final years of school I feel.

Laptop should be repaired in the next couple of days and then I'll be back to work - Daredevil and Iron Fist will be finished and decided exactly, and more write-ups will be done, as well as some other stuff I'm working on.