Thread:Marvelus/@comment-27496405-20190519011243/@comment-26838855-20190726153044

Canon (Marvelus, Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Marvelus wrote: The discussion about Netflix beingthrown is definitely getting on my nerves... Since the Disney+ announcement and Phase 4-5 announcement I am getting more and more worried about the TV shows being labelled suddenyl non canon. I am actually afraid.

I was planning to pick up Cloak & Dagger and Season 6 of AoS to write all of it but now I don't want to. It just feels weird that suddenly all of it might go away... Who would have thought Feige would treat the TV Shows like that? I didn't bother before, but now is it so hard to throw an easter egg or a minor reference like mentioning the Bulletin of New York or showing newspaper on the background featuring a vigilante? Is that so hard, Feige?

Ugh. This is so pointless. I'm sorry you feel that way about it.

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I've begun using the real world fact that Natalie Portman and Keira Knightley, Jessica Chastain and Dallas Bryce Howard, and Jennifer Morrison and Ginnifer Goodwin all look like twins despite not being related as justification for how Cottonmouth and Blade could look so incredibly similar without any tangible connection. (The latter two pairs constantly mention in interviews that they do autographs for the other due to constantly being confused for each other. Morrison and Goodwin even ended up playing mother and daughter on Once Upon A Time due to their physical similarities.) Keira Knightley also played Natalie Portman's decoy in The Phantom Menace.

I used to see the Natalie Portman/Keira Knightley resemblance but don't really any more now I'm really familiar with both. Never seen the Jessica Chastain/Bryce Dallas Howard resemblance personally though I know others do, and I don't see this Jennifer Morrison/Ginnifer Goodwin resemblance. Jennifer Morrison/Elisha Cuthbert maybe.

Anyway, I don't really have a problem with them looking alike, the same way I accept Miriam and Mariah. All I want is an acknowledgement, because it feels like Feige is leaning on "No one will care".

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I mean, that's not particularly better. Well it's stating a fact there, there are some people saying that, the good part being that the article itself wasn't asserting that.

Black Widow's Past (Edward Zachary Sunrose)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I may have to watch Winter Soldier again, but didn't Natasha say that she met Bucky 5 years prior (2009) on one of her first SHIELD missions? 2005 would be too early for that. And I always headcanoned that she was about 15-16 in the AoU flashbacks (probably closer to 18, since it was a "graduation"). Granted, I'm mostly basing this on her hairstyle. Only a teenager would have hair that ugly. She doesn't say it was an early mission.

I also think that there's no way Natasha can pass for younger than about 20 in those scenes personally.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Edward Zachary Sunrose, Mrmichaelt)
Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I mean, I definitely trust that they have it figured out. I just really, really hope it's a casual mention of the Decimation, or a newspaper headline or something. Don't retcon the show out of the MCU by making the Snap happen in 6x13 or worse, confirming it's an alternate reality altogether. Worst case scenario is they show the Snap happening now. I wouldn't be too bothered by Season 6 being an offshoot timeline anymore so long as they find a way that that makes sense (which it doesn't with the information we currently have), because with things like Loki and What If...? being set in offshoot timelines, it feels now less like being in an offshoot timeline is diminutive. Still a bit sad, but a better option than the Snap happening now.

Mrmichaelt wrote: Agreed. There is the one tiny clue from The Avengers Prelude Black Widow Strikes Issue #3 where on page 18, Sofia states she was 14 years old when Black Widow slaughtered the human trafficking ring in Bulgaria. In that story's present, Sofia was probably in her early 20s so 2005/2006 was my guess when Widow defected. Nice, thanks. I'm definitely rusty on pre-2014 stuff other than the films, need to reread some comics. It's set in 2012 so yes, if it was about 8 years prior that would line up.

Mrmichaelt wrote: 52:44 mark. TWS was in 2013 or 2014 so it would be a few years after she started at SHIELD, 2008 or 2009, imo. While 2013 is what the two dates in the film suggest, all the dialogue in the films and shows as well as on-screen stuff (Yes Men being "last year" in 2015, searching for Bucky for "2 years" by Civil War, Beginning of the End being "four years ago" before 2018) would make The Winter Soldier 2014, albeit as early as possible. So yeah, Odessa is 2009 and that's never been a problem for me, just a mission she went on a bit before Iron Man 2.

Loki (Mrmichaelt)
Mrmichaelt wrote: It could be alternate Loki looking back on his life pre-2012 which should be the same as original Loki. Unless in the timeline he's in, he does something like somehow steals the Time Stone and goes on a romp through time. But I hear you, I'm actually the most interested in the Hawkeye series out of all of them, heh. It's a bit of an odd thought. Imagine he went back 1 day to May 3, 2012. Then he would be in the stem timeline that feeds into both the main timeline and the 2012 offshoot. However, if he then just lived out another day, he would still end up in the offshoot timeline, because it's not exactly just a fork, because the stem timeline isn't its own timeline, rather it's a part of both timelines. You can imagine it like train tracks with points. A track that splits into two train tracks, but for Loki the points are turned to his offshoot, so that's the way he would go living through that split again. It's the same reason Steve can't laterally jump across timelines to get back if he were in an alternate timeline.

But he doesn't necessarily need to somehow find a way to shift into the main timeline. The nice thing would be that if, say, in Episode 1 he immediately jumped to 1975 somehow, then there would no need to differentiate between timelines because he's in both at the same time.

As a huge fan of the Captain America series, I'm definitely most excited for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.