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Being updated.

Marvel's Runaways: Season 2 very rough/simple notes. I've tried to keep this non-spoilery.

Just going to amend the notes as I go, writing the final results rather than a step-by-step thought process. So reading it in order, some of it might seem like a sudden conclusion has been made, but it will be because of something further down. Also, I'm just doing the minutes of the episodes, not bullet points per scene, I just don't have the time and energy right now. Wherever there's a "last night" or "this morning" or "today" or all the PRIDE members being in the same clothes meaning it's definitely the same day, or whatever - anything tying scenes together, I will just change the notes to reflect that with "Day A1", "Day B1" etc., rather than doing a whole process with potential gaps. I'm basically just doing that process in my head and just posting the solutions without the whole method. I can work it out without that whole process, that system is just helpful for thoroughness and explaining my thought process. Also, I'm not going to put quite as much weight into the Runaways' clothes as I would with usual characters, because they're runaways and don't have a tonne of clothes presumably. Although once they've found the hostel and therefore settled into their lives a bit more, if at least 4 of them are in the same clothes (or 3 but one is Nico - Nico counts as 2 for me, since she has very distinctive different hairstyles each day), it's obvious enough that it's the same day.

Monday, December 25th
 * Episode 1 beginning to Minute 4ish.
 * Evening, a bit over "24 hours" after the group were made fugitives.

Tuesday, December 26th
 * Episode 1 Minute 4ish to Minute 36ish.
 * They weren't on the run "like 48 hours ago", so yeah, this is the 26th.
 * Tamara's baby is due in 2 weeks, so around January 9th, but potentially up to the end of that week, Sunday, January 14th.
 * Graciela's driver license says "EXP 04/23/2020" (expires April 23, 2020), "DOB 04/23/1964" (date of birth: April 23, 1964), "DD 04/01/2014" (document discriminator: April 1, 2014), "ISS 04/024/2016" (weird prop typo with that extra 0 before 24, but issued April 24, 2016).
 * Quentin Tarantino.
 * Martin Scorsese.

Day A1/B1 (At least next day, seemingly next day. 62.5% eliminated.) [Wednesday, January 3rd?] A1 should be as close as possible to C2 but B1 should be as close as possible to Tuesday, December 26th. Pulling towards each other so no need, whatever happens, for a gap between A1 and B1, so combining them.
 * A1: Episode 1 Minute 36ish to Minute 38ish (Victor and Jonah, "Meet soon?").
 * B1: Episode 1 Minute 38ish to Minute 42ish (PRIDE).
 * Tina has Graciela's obituary and they're only just discussing Graciela's death. 26th-A1/B1 50% eliminated.

Day C1, Monday (C4 is Thursday) (Seemingly same day. 43.75% eliminated.) [Monday, January 8th?]
 * Episode 1 Minute 42ish to 47ish (Mike on a Bike, hostel).
 * Seems to just be the morning after they held the ceremony for Graciela, but I guess it could be more. 26th-A1/B1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 62.5%), A1/B1-C1 25% eliminated.

Day C2, Tuesday (C4 is Thursday) [Tuesday, January 9th?]
 * Episode 1 Minute 47ish to end.
 * Seemingly not long after A1 as Karolina texted Jonah then saying, "Meet soon?" A1/B1-C1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 43.75%).
 * Episode 2 beginning to end.
 * The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.
 * Rolls Royce.
 * Take Me for What I Am by Henrey Ford.
 * Gangnam Style by Psy.
 * Nico plays another song, not sure what it is.
 * Robert says Nico is "16".
 * Alex and Livvie agree to see each other again tomorrow.
 * Episode 3 beginning to Minute 2ish.
 * Poster says all the older five are "16" and Molly is "14". Could, if need be, just be their ages at the time of printing, which was earliest December 24, 2017.

Day C3, Wednesday (C4 is Thursday) [Wednesday, January 10th?]
 * Episode 3 Minute 2ish to end.
 * "09:00", "9AM" when Nico wakes up.
 * Danny DeVito.
 * "10:19a" (10:19AM) when Alex walks and looks at his phone.
 * Geoffrey's fake ID says he was born "5 JAN 1972", suggesting Geoffrey's real date of birth is close to January 1972.
 * Catherine's fake ID says she was born "12 APR 1974", suggesting Catherine's real date of birth is close to April 1974.
 * Alex's fake ID says he was born "21 AUG 2002", suggesting Alex's real date of birth is close to August 2002, but it can't really be, because he absolutely cannot have been born later than September 1, 2001.
 * The fake passports have issue dates of "5 JAN 2012", "12 APR 2012", and "21 AUG 2015" and expiry dates of "5 JAN 2022", "12 APR 2022", and "21 AUG 2025", meaning it is between August 21, 2015 and January 5, 2022. That works fine.
 * Janet has been married to Victor for "20 years".
 * Darius says Alex is "16".
 * Darius feels that Geoffrey giving him the deeds is "20 damn years late", though we know from Season 1 that he's rounding, it's closer to 18.
 * Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting.
 * Capcom.
 * Episode 4 beginning to Minute 6ish (Topher).
 * Godzilla.

Day C4, Thursday [Thursday, January 11th?]
 * Episode 4 Minute 6ish to end.
 * "It is starting to feel like it's all just Tuesday now. No wait, Wednesday. No wait, it is Tuesday." "Think it's actually Thursday..." "Ha, whatever..." Sounds like it's Thursday.
 * Digital missing posters also list them as "16" and "14".
 * Karolina has voicemails from Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and another one at the top that I can't read that might also just be Thursday, which would fit with this being Thursday.
 * Alex did some course last semester.
 * It's term time at Atlas. Since it's a Thursday, the earliest it should really be is Thursday, January 11th, as most schools went back Monday, January 8th. It especially shouldn't really be earlier since we already had to assume their term went on one week later than most schools', to December 22nd. That would mean inserting several days in the few available gaps, but it's just about possible. The 11th really is the latest possible Thursday, there's no stretching it further than that I feel.
 * Missing posters up again at Atlas with the "16" and "14" ages.
 * Episode 5 beginning to Minute 13ish.
 * Topher flashbacks, although they turn out to be mostly lies.
 * One Direction.

Day C5, Friday (C4 is Thursday) [Friday, January 12th?]
 * Episode 5 Minute 13ish to end.
 * Lil Yachty.
 * The Shining.
 * Molly's parents died "10 years ago". Guess it was very late 2007, since it was also "10 years ago" (said a few times and shown on-screen) in Season 1.
 * Topher has been claiming to be 18, because Chase says that he would have had to be working at the lab, "10 years ago", aged "8". They imply that Topher stopped ageing after the incident, suggesting he was in fact the age he currently claims to be, 18, at the time of the accident, and therefore 18 in late 2007, so born c. mid-1989. But I don't think they're explicit enough about the ageing for us to actually place that.
 * Molly is "14".
 * "Guess it's just one of those days." "To be fair, haven't they all been those kinds of days since we ran?" "I don't know, think there was one Thursday in there that was pretty normal." Sounds like it's been a few Thursdays since they went on the run, and the tone implies it's been a while anyway. I think this is now Friday, January 12th, which works with term time, so they had Thursday 28th, 4th, and 11th since they went on the run. This is just about enough weeks for them to be joking about "one Thursday", as if there's been numerous. But as mentioned, it cannot really be later than Friday 12th, because it's really pushing it.
 * Episode 6 beginning to Minute 11ish.
 * Jonah's plan at the dig site will be the "day after tomorrow".
 * Karolina says to Leslie, "You only had every day for 17 years to do it," talking about telling her the truth about Jonah. This implies that Karolina had been alive for "17 years" by the time she last saw her mother on normal terms, December 22, 2017. However, we know that at least as of December 24th and seemingly as of at least yesterday (given the posters, though they might have just not been updated), she was still 16. Ultimately, it would seem that Karolina is most likely very nearly 17, and likely born January 2001.

Day C6, Saturday (C4 is Thursday) [Saturday, January 13th?]
 * Episode 6 Minute 11ish to end.

Day C7, Sunday (C4 is Thursday) [Sunday, January 14th?]
 * Episode 7 beginning to Minute 45ish.
 * "20 years ago" flashback, so 1998. Leslie's younger actor's age could help us work out Leslie's date of birth more accurately.
 * Again, "10 years ago" the lab blew up. Presumably late 2007.
 * The Wilders had a family trip to Vegas and Alex sneaked into DEF CON 23, so August 2015. It was after How to Train Your Dragon 2 had come out on digital, which was November 2014, so that also works.
 * Cirque du Soleil.
 * How to Train Your Dragon 2.
 * Again, one runaway was taken a year.
 * Toy Story, including Buzz Lightyear.
 * "2 months ago, our biggest issue was that there were no vegan options in the cafeteria." OK, so this has to be more than 1 month after December 8th (otherwise you'd say "1 month ago"), so that finalises it - this cannot be Sunday, January 7th, it has to be at least Sunday, January 14th. That means that them being in school during term time 3 days prior is essentially forced to work, because it has to be no earlier than Thursday 11th. So that's sorted. It does mean we have to slip some not-easy gaps in during early episodes, but I'm kind of glad that this, like Season 1, means that we're not just slipping in gaps to make certain things awkwardly work but are actually slipping in gaps to fit what the show is telling us. While "2 months ago" would suggest this is more like 1.5 months since December 8th, there's no way it's later than January 14th, we're already really pushing it. So yeah, I think this secures it. No earlier than January 14th, no later than January 14th. It's January 14th.

Day C8, Monday (C4 is Thursday) [Monday, January 15th?]
 * Episode 7 Minute 45ish to end.

Day D1 (Seemingly at least next day, seemingly next day. 92.96875%% eliminated.) [Tuesday, January 16th?]
 * Episode 8 beginning to end.
 * "1932" flashback.
 * "1957" flashback.
 * "1979" flashback. Again, Leslie's actress' age here could give us some further indication of Leslie's date of birth. Credited as "Toddler Leslie Ellerh", but that doesn't really help too much.
 * PRIDE are celebrating after the events of C7 and planning their next moves, suggesting it's not long since C7. C8-D1 25% eliminated.
 * Gert has a college application, again showing she's a junior. It would be just about too late for a senior to apply.
 * Gert isn't yet 18, which we knew.
 * The group have changed since the end of Episode 7 so it's presumably at least the next day. Gert says she heard Karolina and Nico fighting "earlier", suggesting it's not been more than 1 day though, but it's flexible. C8-D1 25% further eliminated (takes it up to 43.75%).
 * Alex's phone says "10/07/2018 01:54am". It's daytime, so this is discredited, on top of the fact that it should be thrown out anyway - there's plenty of evidence showing this is no later than January 2018. Plus, even if this were taken to be July 10 rather than October 7, whatever the case, that's after Avengers: Infinity War, which contradicts what Jeph Loeb has said.
 * Livvie's birthday party was on the day of Destiny died, so December 8, 2017. If she's about Alex's age, presumably she was turning 17. So I would guess Livvie was born December 8, 2000.
 * Tamara's leaving the hospital after childbirth. The baby was due around January 9th but up to January 14th, plus a few days if necessary for overdue/complications, plus a little while at the hospital. This has to be no later than about January 21st. It seems to be January 16th, so that works reasonably well, if we say perhaps the baby was due around the 12th or 13th-ish, born a couple of days late, and she left the hospital roughly the next day.
 * Frank is very worried about what he did on Day C7, implying it's shortly after. It's seemingly at least 2 days, but it really shouldn't be more. C8-D1 75% further eliminated (which takes it up to 85.9375%).
 * Jonah met David "decades ago", which we already knew.
 * Clock says it's 11:00 when they make plans with Livvie.
 * Molly puts on a song and it's Bubblin by Anderson .Paak, which he premiered in February 2018 and wasn't released until May 2018. Ugh, that's annoying. But still, it's not enough to contradict these placements and has to be written off.
 * Again, Gert wants to apply to college.
 * Molly is "14".
 * Episode 9 beginning to Minute 11ish.
 * Patty Hearst.
 * Molly says she is "14 years old, almost 15".

Day D2 [Wednesday, January 17th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 11ish to Minute 37ish.
 * Charlie Chaplin.
 * Doctor Who, including the TARDIS.
 * Flores' file says Destiny was 17. In Season 1 we got one file saying she was 17 and one saying she was 18. We decided that maybe she just turned 18 before she died, but this complicates it a bit more. On the one hand, we could still take it as that and it makes both ages make sense although is a bit much to assume, especially since one is a police file. On the other hand, we could take it as contradictory information and therefore assume that she's 17 because more evidence says that than 18 and especially since one of them is a police file.
 * Karolina says it's been a "long couple of days". It's seemingly been at least 3 days since the events of C7, which she is referring to, but "couple" has leniency. It can mean "2ish, going on 3" or even just be used incorrectly to mean "a few", but basically, this means it shouldn't be more than 3 days. C8-D1 50% further eliminated (which takes it up to 92.96875%).

Day E1 (At least next day, seemingly next day. 75% eliminated.) [Thursday, January 18th?]
 * Episode 9 Minute 47ish to end.
 * Livvie visiting the group is strongly implied to be the morning after what just happened. D2-E1 75% eliminated.
 * Alex will be meeting with A.W.O.L. today (this becomes relevant because A.W.O.L. breaks the deal before Alex can meet him, confirming everything in between was the same day).
 * Investigation Discovery.