Thread:CirUmeUela/@comment-27496405-20180307074410/@comment-26838855-20180719165300

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Nope. Scott says multiple times that he has been 2 years under house arrest. Maggie and Paxton (if I am not wrong) confirmed this. Luis also said something like that. Actually, it is mentioned a lot of times the two years sentence of house arrest. Oh, right... I was working on the assumption that the Jimmy Woo line was the only line in the film. I'd asked a few times and no one said there were any other lines so I thought that was it. Well, that would suggest 24 months again. But look, if we have the option of 21 months, we still are just going to have to take it - at least for now. We go with March for now, which is at least better than January, and then further down the line we are sure to get more evidence, but March can serve as the best placement for now at least.

The Wikia Editor wrote: As I mentioned earlier, the biggest point of contension is that the Avengers explicitly use the term "house arrest" when talking about Clint and Scott, implying that it's still ongoing at that point.

There are two options: Either they are correct or they are wrong. If the former, then it implies that Ant-Man and the Wasp occurs at least semi-concurrently with Infinity War. If the latter, then we can just assume that the Avengers didn't know about Scott's sentence being shortened. Right, yeah, I forgot they specifically say "house arrest" after mentioning they both "took a deal".

The Wikia Editor wrote: I think March 17/18 is probably a better choice, since we're already struggling to push Infinity War even further. It's definitely preferable.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Definitely agree on it most likely being in February-March 2017. I'm kind of worried on how we're going to sort through all the contradictory dates. Perhaps we can do like with that one scene in Iron Man, where the television states "May 2008" but most of the evidence points towards 2009. We can use the months, but not necessarily the years.

The timeline I've constructed in my head looks something like this:
 * February 13, 1992: Billy Johnson is born, month derived from milk carton, year derived from him being 17 in April 2009.
 * Between April 1999-April 2000: Tandy Bowen is born, derived from her being 9 in April 2009.
 * August 19, 2000: Tyrone Johnson is born, derived from milk carton.
 * April 18, 2009: The Roxxon oil tanker explodes, Billy is 17, Tandy is 9, Tyrone is 8. Month derived from security camera footage, year is admittedly still open for revision, but the present (8 years later) is likely 2017.
 * February-March 2017: The events of Cloak and Dagger: Season 1 take place.

All of this is, of course, purely based on my thoughts on the matter as of this writing and later episodes could still provide dates that could lead to all of this being revised. I think 2009 is too late, because there's not really any evidence that on its own places it in 2009. The Scarborough page could very well mean the accident was in 2008. I also don't think Billy's date of birth can be 1992.

I was thinking more like late 2008 and then early 2017, so like 8.4 years and also aligning better with the evidence given.

Deadpooled123 wrote: Wouldn’t be speaking so soon, we now know Cloak and Dagger has to be before Luke Cage s2 based on the O’Reilly mention. The Feb-March 2017 is not by self-thought, it’s the only date that makes most sense. Deadpooled123 wrote: If Cloak and Daggers date gets revised, it will still end up as early 2017 It could be 2015 or 2016 or 2017, but the evidence is starting to suggest 2017. It could be 2018 as well because it doesn't have to be before Luke Cage: Season 2, if Lahana's comment is fudged a bit, but it just doesn't look like the evidence could possibly place it in 2018.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I think pretty much all of us always thought that Cloak and Dagger: Season 1 was before Luke Cage: Season 2, the only time I saw people think otherwise was over on the Comic Board.

The timeline itself is purely based on my own thoughts on the matter, but the dates themselves are derived from various sources within the episodes.

The main point of uncertainty is regarding when the oil tanker explosion happened. Our current estimation puts it sometime in either late 2008 or early-to-mid 2009. I myself prefer 2009, since it works better with all of the "8 years ago" references made throughout the season.

It doesn't help that the only date of birth we saw for Billy outside of a vision is a newspaper that stated that it was "August 1, 1990", which doesn't work for April 2007, since he would have been too young, but also work after August 2008, since he would have been too old.

At one point, Tandy looks over a schematic of the oil rig with a revision date of September 10, 2008, which suggests that the explosion happened sometime after that. Yeah, if Billy's date of birth had been a couple of months later it would fit with the accident being in late 2008, just before he turned 18.

The Wikia Editor wrote: Probably, and that's what I prefer. However, the possibility of early 2016 is not completely impossible, although it's at least becoming less likely. Yeah.

Ben 1,000,911 wrote: Also, besides the fact that the audience otherwise wouldn't have reason to doubt that 2 years means 2 years, at the end of the movie Scott says "Has it been 2 years already?" This is said in a joking tone anyway but I think it's still meant to convey that his sentence is 2 years. That really does suggest 24 months, I agree. The audience has no reason to assume it's less and the dialogue sounds like it does suggest it. But June 2018 is nearly impossible at the moment, and if there's any chance of March 2018, I think we have to take it, at least for now. At the very least it's an improvement on January and is a step in the right direction buys us time to get it exactly right.

Marvelous wasn't talking about the number of times "2 years" is mentioned to convince us that it's 24 months, he's definitely wanting March. He was just answering my question.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: @Ben 1,000,911. We are NOT moving Civil War dates and we are not placing Ant-Man and the Wasp, Avengers: Infinity War and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five to June 2018. It does not work. We are placing it on March 2018.

Hey guys. We are receiving new collaborators and I seriously doubt that some will read the entire thread so I made a resume:

=To make a quick update=
 * 1) We are working on Jessica Jones Season Two dates. We currently have it around April-May 2017.
 * 2) Luke Cage is still on the work but we are placing it around August-September 2017. The show provided a hard date to begin with.
 * 3) Cloak and Dagger is on the matter too. I am not watching it, but February-march 2017 or 2018 is very likely.
 * 4) We are about to end writing: Runaways Season One, The Defenders, The Punisher Season One, Danny Rand's Instagram account and etc.
 * 5) We are working on stretching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five
 * 6) We currently have Infinity War on January 2018, it worked very well until Ant-Man and the Wasp came in. After investigating a little bit, we discovered that Scott Lang could have recevied a two years reduced sentence. Civil War is FIRMLY placed on the last days of June 2016 and moving it is impossible so we are putting Season 5 aftermath, Avengers: Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp around March 2018.

That is all you need to know in case you don't want to read the entire discussion thread. I think Ben 1,000,911 just misunderstood and thought you were talking about the number of times "2 years" is mentioned as like "But it's mentioned several times, it has to be 24 months" when that's not what you meant.

Yeah, thanks for the to-do list. I have an extensive list and I'm working through it, I promise! It's going to be great to see all the improvements made over the coming couple of months.

Ben 1,000,911 wrote: No need for hostilities bro, I know 2016 dates can't be moved you said that last time. And I tried reading as much of this thread as I could so apologies if this was addressed but why instead of us thinking Scott's sentence could be reduced, could we not consider Coulson's life expectancy when it was thought he was dying be expanded? This is the MCU, could've taken a while for Coulson's end to "draw close", more so than if this kind of situation happened in the real world. If there was snow on the ground in NY I'm sure snow could stick around to April, maybe even May or June. Maybe. Just saying it's possible, not "impossible" as you claimed unless you're able to show me otherwise It's not Coulson's life expectancy or the snow that it preventing us from moving it to June. It's the fact that Episodes 11, 12, and 13 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5 are definitely in December 2017, and then Episode 14 is very soon after and Episode 14 is less than about 2 weeks out from Infinity War. It's not "impossible" because technically they never actually say "It's been a week" or something like that since the events of Episode 13, but there's a very strong implication that it's only been a few days since Episode 13, not 6 months. As well as this, Coulson says in Episode 15 that he and his team have been missing for "months" (since May 2017), and you wouldn't call June 2018 "months" after May 2017.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: I wasn't being "hostile" xD. When you write on a computer it is hard for the readers to know if you are mad or happy, and everytime I write here, I am happy.

Lang's sentence depends of laws, Coulson's quick death depends of biology. Also, as BEJT said we are working with all the evidence available, if Avengers 4 and Spider-Man: Far From Home suggest May 2018, so be it, but March works nicely because Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Five cannot stretch too much. It is impossible to have it on late June 2018 because Parker is going to return to Summer Vacation (July) and it is very possible at least a few months may happen between Infinity War and Avengers 4, we are working with all the evidence available but also trying to avoid further problems. I wouldn't say that Peter's holiday makes it impossible to be in late June, we don't know that there will be a time jump of a few months like in Homecoming, it could all be set in the aftermath of Avengers 4, which itself could end in the timeline right where Infinity War ended. So late June would work there, with it being right at the end of term.

But yeah, working with the evidence we currently have, there's just not quite enough to force our hand and have to push it to June 2018, and really, it would have to be a case of "it has to be June" for it to go there, because it really contradicts Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. But there's a possibility that in the future it might well have to move again. We'll see.

Honestly, I'm of two minds about it all because I really think they mean for it to be 24 months but on the other hand it's really difficult to make that work. I'm not comfortable with any placement. Like I said though, at least March is an improvement on January, and that improving step will give us some more time to work things out.

Deadpooled123 wrote: I have some thoughts regarding Luke Cage s2:

(1) LC s2e9 must end on August 31 2017

(2) LC s2e10 mentions the attack at Rand Enterprises Research Facility occurred 3 days prior leading it to be either September 3 or September 4 2017

(3) LC s2e11 displays the West Indian Day Parade which can only occur on September 4 2017 justifying my reason for s2e10 to begin on the morning of September 3 2017 at the barber (which is when Danny Rand walks in finding Luke Cage with the Harlem Heroes app) Yeah that's right. I've written out all my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes, they're just not formatted or presentable yet, but those will be up soon - likely once I've finished with Jessica Jones: Season 2 (I'm just tinkering a bit with the maths to get it right) and started some write-ups.

Marvel Netflix seem to only be doing a panel for Iron Fist this year, and not Daredevil (or anything else). That suggests that Iron Fist: Season 2 might indeed be coming out before Daredevil: Season 3.

I think this is a bad idea. While I do think that exploring Danny's arc filling Matt's shoes would be really great, because I liked that ending to The Defenders, people are aching for Daredevil: Season 3.
 * Early last year, everyone assumed that Daredevil: Season 3 would be next up after Jessica Jones: Season 2. But then Luke Cage: Season 2 started filming first and people went, "Oh, OK, so it'll be after that then." To push it back again would be a bit weird.
 * Daredevil: Season 3 got announced several months before Iron Fist: Season 2.
 * We were told Daredevil: Season 3 would be out in 2018 about a year before we were told Iron Fist: Season 2 would be out in 2018.
 * It's been over 2 years already since the last season of Daredevil while only a bit over a year since the last season of Iron Fist.
 * Daredevil: Season 3's filming was a little earlier.
 * Daredevil is a far more popular show not just critically but in ratings and public reaction - it's got the most widespread love and is the main one of these Marvel Netflix shows to have broken out from being "just a Marvel Netflix show" and actually become recognised by general audiences as a great Netflix show.
 * The comments section of anything Marvel Netflix related is always just going on about, "Right, yes, OK, but where's Daredevil: Season 3?" People have been asking and asking, and they need a mass appeal hit to rejuvenate these shows a bit. I've even seen memes complaining about Marvel Netflix releasing seasons that are anything except Daredevil: Season 3, "the only one I care about" they all seem to say.
 * We just got Iron Fist in Luke Cage: Season 2, give him a little bit of a rest.
 * The Internet practically thinks it was confirmed that Daredevil: Season 3 was next up, there's going to be a small backlash I think if it's confirmed that Iron Fist: Season 2 is next. The last thing Iron Fist needs is more backlash, or indeed people watching the season and thinking the whole time, "We're getting this instead of Daredevil?" It'll only hurt the show.