Thread:Marvelous 345678/@comment-27496405-20180723185324/@comment-26838855-20180731170953

Responses Part 2 of 2: The Wikia Editor wrote: Yes, there is a gap between the episodes, but we're not entirely sure how big it is. Coulson's line about "tidings of comfort and joy" in Principia suggests that it's still in December, either before or during Christmas. Yup. The line doesn't have to mean it's Christmas (like, if the evidence placed the episode in June I wouldn't go "But it has to be December!"), but since the evidence places it around Christmas-time anyway, I'd say that yeah, it should be Christmas. But if this 2018 thing is there, then the first few days of January will do.

The Wikia Editor wrote: I'm curious about the evidence from that episode, since it would contradict the date seen in The Real Deal. Yeah I'm curious Marvelous, why do you think it's December 9th?

The Wikia Editor wrote: Can you specify which scene it is? Because I went and checked all of the scenes with Yo-Yo in that episode and the computer next to her is very blurry in all of them. Oh right, I was about to check but thanks. Yeah, a time code would help Marvelous.

The Wikia Editor wrote: To be fair, Deke saying that they "just got married" could just as easily mean that it happened recently, anywhere in the span of days or weeks. I don't think the 6 weeks mentioned by the doctor have any kind of connection to the agents, so it doesn't really mean much.

As for Yo-Yo's recovery period, the standard recovery time from an amputation is about 4 to 8 weeks. By the time of Principia, Yo-Yo's condition had stabilized but her stumps were still bandaged, indicating that she hadn't fully healed yet. By the time of The Devil Complex, Yo-Yo's stumps had fully healed.

Also, Coulson's line in Principia about "tidings of comfort and joy" suggests that the episode still takes place in December, either before or during Christmas. Agree with all of this. Yeah, she's not fully healed in Principia, just improving.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: December or Early January maybe?

The evidence I have found in episode 11, suggest somewhere between December 2nd and December 9th 2017. I am taking the latest possible placement: December 9th. It works really well, actually.

I am placing episode 13 in January 2nd 2018, as of now, in the very first scene where Simmons, Mackenzie and Coulson visit Yo-Yo in one of the scenes focusing on Jemma you can see this in one of the monitor (very very blurry) xx-xx-201x. But if you try to look carefully you will see that it is not a 7, but an 8. This matches with the filming of the episode.

Dove Cameron being hired was announced on November 28, 2017. The filming of episode 11 was until the first days of December, episode 12 (The Real Deal) was filmed around December 6th (that is why we have the date), after that episode, the crew and members had their holidays vacation returning to filming on early 2018, which matches the date.

BEJT suggested to put 2.5 mo ths between Episode 13 and 14, which actually makes sense (it is not the first time that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. have made a big time jump, from Maveth to Bouncing Back we had 2 months in between when it appeared to be just days, the same from episode 18 to 19 on Season 3, from April to mid/late June 2016).

Putting some possible time, I have found a way to put Infinity War around April 4-5, 2018. I will see how the time should span after Deke's injury in episode 17, right? I am using the 9 days gap as of now, but it could possibly become 14-21 days.

Plus, Deke gets a cut on episode 12, not a deep cut but still, that kind of cut takes 5 days to disappear while Mack's bruises must have completely disappear after 14 days. This would put Episode 13 definitely several weeks after Episode 12. Mack's bruises are completely gone. I still don't really get why we would take December 9th for All the Comforts of Home when we can use December 4th-5th, the 2 days prior to The Real Deal, which has clearer evidence placing it on December 6th. Whatever this evidence is for December 9th, I don't imagine it's clearer than the "12-06-2017". But what is the evidence?

I'll have a look for that 2018 monitor date in Principia a bit later. A time code might help me find exactly what you're referring to.

Maveth to Bouncing Back wasn't a massive stretch because it seems like a few weeks and had to become 2 months. The bigger jump problem was between Season 3, Episodes 18 and 19, where it had to jump 2 months to line up with Civil War and with the "Three months from now" shown in Bouncing Back.

I think 9 days is about right for the gap between Season 5, Episodes 18 and 19. I've still been thinking about it, and if you kind of take the conflicting evidence about it either being immediately after or weeks after Episode 18 and inch them closer and closer together until they meet, a think a 9-day gap is about right. For example, it really doesn't feel like it can be more than maximum 4 days, but Deke's arm would suggest it really can't be less than minimum 15 days of healing - a 14-day gap. 9 days is about right for a compromise - 10 days of healing for Deke. It just can't be longer, and it just can't be shorter.

Kbeaud wrote: How does Antman & The Wasp fit into all of this? The movie says he gets his ankle thing off on his two year, which he claims is in three days. So, if Civil War starts on May 3rd, 2016, and the battle that gets them all caught is mid June? Then I would assume his two years would be up some time in August following court and everything. Yet, the end credit shows a post-movie scene where Thanos has just snapped his fingers. That means the post credit scene has to be early April. I'm not sure what dates I have mixed up here, but if I don't, Antman's timeline is rather messed up. Can anyone clear this up?

Also, looking ahead, any guess where Daredevil season three will take place? It's either directly post-defenders or I think more likely a time jump has occurred and it'll be concurrent with Runaways.

Finally, to add to the C&D discussion from earlier. After reading everything y'all talked about. If you take away that October date, it seems C&D best fits in some sort of mid-late February to late April. This would encompass basketball finals, the anniversary being the 18th, and Jazz fest 2018. This is what most imagery in the show seems to tell me anyways. It just makes it hard to reconcile with the 8 years thing. No spoilers for Ant-Man and the Wasp, it's still not out here in the U.K.. Don't worry too much about mentioning the Infinity War tie-in in the credits scene, I kind of knew that, I just didn't know for sure that it was to do with Thanos' snap - but I'd pretty much guessed. I'm not particularly annoyed about your message or anything, besides, you're new to the thread so you weren't to know I'd asked for no spoilers. I'm just mentioning this because I'd like some spoiler caution in any further discussion for the next 2 days until I finally get to see the film.

The full 2 years would just be June, not August, because house arrest doesn't depend on court stuff first. It either counts from the beginning of his initial Raft arrest or from the day he took the deal and returned home. The rules differ depending on the state, I've been doing some research about it.

We've been discussing this problem a lot though, towards the end of Part 9 mainly. And while the film by all accounts would very much suggest that it's been a full 24 months since Civil War, because that's very problematic with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., we are, at least at the moment, making the assumption that Scott got a slight reduction of 3 months from his sentence for good behaviour. So he did 21 months, not quite a full 2 years but almost. This is quite possibly not the permanent solution, as we've still got evidence to come with Avengers 4 and Spider-Man: Far from Home and possibly other things such as Captain Marvel or Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6. But spring is at least an improvement on the previous January placement, and it will do for now while we continue to consider the conflicting evidence and prepare better for weighing it all up conclusively. Because of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., it's very difficult to move Infinity War all the way to June, so essentially, the evidence in Ant-Man and the Wasp is not quite concrete enough to force a June placement, and in the meantime, while we still have some flexibility, we're making compromises.

With Daredevil: Season 3, I reckon Winter 2017-18 is a safe bet - roughly the time in which they filmed it. So yeah, quite possibly around the time of Runaways: Season 1. It won't be immediately after The Defenders: Season 1 unless they perhaps open straight after and give us a montage covering more than a year. As I mentioned before: BEJT wrote: Iron Fist: Season 2 almost definitely has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because as I mentioned before, Marvel never go back on a character's storyline. Even when the films are out of order, they rely on "When you see a character, you can guarantee that it's chronologically after the last time you saw that character" to ensure people don't get too confused. So, with Misty, Colleen, and Danny (and probably Turk and possibly a few others) carrying over, that would place it after. But especially with Misty, she'll probably have her bionic arm, which would confirm it's after Luke Cage: Season 2.

Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Luke Cage: Season 2 because Claire talks about Matt's sacrifice and it's all-but said that everyone thinks he's still dead - as well as the fact that Rosalie Carbone, Benjamin Donovan, and Foggy Nelson will all appear again (as well as probably Turk), again placing it after Luke Cage: Season 2 going by the never-backtrack-on-a-character rule. And Daredevil: Season 3 has to be after Iron Fist: Season 2 because his arc is about protecting the city in Matt's absence, and this also automatically puts it after Luke Cage: Season 2.

So basically, at least until Daredevil: Season 3, I'm fairly sure these are set in order - Luke Cage: Season 2, Iron Fist: Season 2, Daredevil: Season 3. I would expect Iron Fist: Season 2 to be set in late 2017 and Daredevil: Season 3 in late 2017 or early 2018. It's unlikely Cloak & Dagger is in 2018. There's very little placing it then. The mounting evidence is placing it more likely in 2017. The mention of Jazz Fest was also just some of the users trying to work out a possibility for what the festival could be that was shown in the Episode 9-10 SDCC trailer. The thought was that while it looked like Mardi Gras, it couldn't be Mardi Gras because the show had already got to March. However, looking at the basketball, it should be fine to still be February and thus Mardi Gras should work out fine. And it looks like it will explicitly be Mardi Gras, because there's the banner that mentions Mardi Gras in Episode 9. BEJT wrote: What I meant was that at the beginning of the season, the basketball season has just finished (roughly February 18th), and the state finals (roughly March 6th-11th) are yet to happen - being shown in Episode 5 or 6, whichever it was. However, they're referred to as being "next week", when in real life, they're about 16-21 days apart.

My original plan was to use a bit later in February and a bit earlier in March, closer to a week between the two, for the placements. But what I was saying now was that it could work with Mardi Gras - if, instead of shifting both the end of the basketball season 4-7 days later and the finals 4-7 days earlier, we instead use the normal real world dates for the end of the basketball season, unchanged (around February 18th), and then place the state finals a week or so after that (to match the dialogue) so that is the only event which does the shifting - about 8-14 days earlier. Then the state finals would be around February 25th-ish, and in 2017, that would then fit with Mardi Gras a few days later. As for the "8 years" - whatever happens, the 8 years is hard. But Episode 8 sort of made it simpler, because it made it clear that wherever we make the placements, they will be exactly 8 years and 0 days apart, because Episode 8 is the 8th anniversary. Previously I was going to have to weigh up the evidence for the flashbacks, the evidence for the present day, and the approximate 8 years between them. But now it's a case of just working out the total evidence for: And the total evidence for 2009 + the total evidence for 2017 seems to come out as the strongest.
 * 2007 + 2015
 * 2008 + 2016
 * 2009 + 2017
 * 2010 + 2018

Marvelous 345678 wrote: 1. We are assuming that Scott got a reduced sentence. Which CAN happen. And I am very sure that the following films will confirm a NON June date for Infinity War and Ant-Man and The Wasp. Lang got captured in late June.

2. I totally agree with you on Daredevil Season 3 placement.

3. I am not watching Cloak and Dagger. I will do it in the next months in order to write all the episodes when the dates are finally decided. Yeah. Also, you mention writing up events - just letting you know that August will definitely be the month of my write-ups once all this catch-up work is over. Like I said before, I've made a list of all the necessary write-ups in airing order-ish (kind of - not exactly, because I've listed the Netflix ones as if they aired week-to-week starting on their actual release date, allowing me to mix up the work a bit instead of just focusing on a whole Netflix season in one chunk without getting anything else done; as well as this, some of them are broken up into parts and it's a bit more complicated with past events as well etc. but basically, it's kind of in airing order and where it isn't it's for a good reason) and I'll be working my way through. When I get to each bit on the list, if it's already written I'll just check it and it'll be done, and if it's not, then I'm happy to write it myself. Cloak & Dagger will be lower in the list though, seeing as it's very recent.

Bussterj wrote: Who else caught Stan Lee's Cameo in this weeks Cloak and Dagger :) That was nice. When the painting showed, I thought they'd cut away sooner though, but it lingered for quite a while, I wonder if they thought people wouldn't realise otherwise.

Kbeaud wrote: 1. I just did a bit of research. Presuming the show takes place in 2018, and follows similar real life dates. The basketball state championship would have been played on March 10, 2018 (Episode 5). Then the anniversary of the deaths would be April 18, 2018 (Episode 8). Finally, if we assume the banner in the show is for Jazz Fest, not Mardi gras, then the end of the season will most likely appear very end of April, early May at earliest. Jazz fest was April 26, May 5th this year (Or at least within a few days of that). I'd have to go back and watch the time lapses to try and figure out where the season starts. Regardless though, C&D 1.01 most certainly takes place after AoS 5.13, which if I read right is like 1/2/2018.

Also, are we sure if C&D is 2018 or 2017? I'm thinking about it and if C&D is 2018, I really enjoy how no one seems to notice or talk about the mass disappearance of people by episode 8.

2. Does anyone have any idea when episodes 14-22 of Agents of Shield take place?

3. Well then if we are assuming he got a reduced sentence, I'm going to think a start date of 4/1 makes sense. Three days would make it the 4th and then the post credit scene is the 5th. 1. Well, like I said, the show most likely doesn't take place in 2018. Also, the banner specifically said "Mardi Gras" and I'm sure Episode 10 will specifically say it's Mardi Gras, but that's fine, as explained. So it looks like the whole season pretty much (except maybe the end of Episode 10) will be February.

The anniversary doesn't need to be April 18th. That just came up because occasionally in the past when a prop has a very incorrect date, it can work out so that the date is right and it's just the year that was wrong. So it might have been nice, if the later parts of the season had been taking place in April, to be able to place the accident on April 18, 2009, at least matching the April 18th part of the 2007 security camera shown in Episode 1. But the show seems to just be taking place in February, so the accident was in February, and that's fine. There's no real in-universe reason why April 18th would be more likely anyway, if the date was incorrectly programmed on the security footage with a 2007 date rather than the correct 2009 date, there's no reason why the month and day would be right and the year would just happen to be wrong.

Like I've been saying, Cloak & Dagger is more likely 2017 than 2018. Once the season is over, I'll repost the list of all the evidence, updated for the rest of the season's evidence. That should hopefully make it clearer for why 2017 is a much better choice. But even if it were 2018, as I've also been saying, it seems to be all in February so the show would still be set before Infinity War - no need to worry about vanishing people.

2. Here: BEJT wrote: With a roughly 9-day gap between Episodes 18 and 19 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (though that's not properly decided yet), we'd be looking at something along these lines (or translated to a week later):

c. Thursday, March 15th - Episode 14. 2.5 months since Episode 13. Snow on the ground, not impossible. Beginning of Episode 15. c. Saturday, March 17th - End of Episode 15. c. Saturday, March 17th/Sunday, March 18th - Beginning of Ant-Man and the Wasp. c. Sunday, March 18th - Episode 16. Episode 17. Beginning of Episode 18. c. Monday, March 19th - End of Episode 18. c. Wednesday, March 21st/Thursday, March 22nd - End of Ant-Man and the Wasp. c. Wednesday, March 28th-Thursday, March 29th - Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War. 9 days since Episode 18. About a week or 8 days or so since the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp. Wednesday-Thursday, as shown by Tony's flip phone. 3. Ant-Man and the Wasp is March, starting around the 17th/18th to line up with the sentence finishing 21 months after Civil War. It's Infinity War that Marvelous is saying might be April, because apparently there's a gap of a week or two between the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp and the events of Infinity War.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Nope. Ant-Man and the Wasp ends weeks before Infinity War begins. I know that they tie in, but between the post credit scene and the final battle we can see clearly that several days have happened. The Beach. The Cinema. And stuff. Hanging out with Cassie. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Cloakd and Dagger is being placed on February-March 2017 not 2018.

I will suggest to put like 2 weeks between Final Battle and Infinity War opening.

About Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. elisode 14-22: I am working on them but around late March 2018. BEJT has a cousin that is a lawyer, who informed us that is very possible for someone to get a reduced sentence but still being called 2 years (calendar).

Lang got captured on late June 2018, his reduced sentence ends in mid/late March 2018, about 21 months of house arrest. Which makes sense. Yeah as Marvelous said, Cloak & Dagger is much more likely 2017 than 2018.

Marvelous, have you reverted to thinking it's more like 2 weeks between Ant-Man and the Wasp and Infinity War? Because 1 week would be a bit easier, considering we're already stretching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. a lot.

Minor thing, it's not a cousin, I just said relative. I don't really know why but I didn't want to say what type of relative exactly. No reason not to I guess, I think I'm still just too scared about giving out information about myself online.

Kbeaud wrote: 1. Good to know. With that in mind, I think I'm placing Ant-man and the Wasp about 3/20-3/23.

2. Alright on C&D. Makes sense. I know someone posted the date for the state champ that year. I'm not sure if it's in this thread. Does anyone have that? So, I can place the Princeton Offense correctly. 1. More like 18th-21st as mentioned because apparently the film starts on roughly a Sunday.

2. Yeah we have, but the state championship date isn't what's important here. As I've mentioned above, we have to use the February 18, 2017 date for the end of the basketball season to place Episode 1, and then the state finals are referred to as "next week" after that, so are not in early March, which is when they were in the real world. They're a bit earlier, lining up with the "next week" line and with Mardi Gras being a little while after.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Remember that the film begins on Sunday. BEJT will come with more details, once he has seen the movie and put all the details he has I will post all my job I have been doing regarding Season Five Second Half and Infinity War. 2 more days. It's been so frustrating, sorry, nothing I could do about it.

What job have you been doing with Season 5? I didn't really know there was much to do, but I'm glad you've been watching it.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: In order to write Cloak & Dagger events: User:Marvelous 345678/Cloak & Dagger, Runaways Season Two and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season Six Timeline Nice, good idea.

Marvelous 345678 wrote: Agents of S.H.I.e.L.D. Season Two intel on the timeline, 26 years before May 2015:

In episode 2.21: S.O.S. Part One, Jiaying, having contractions twenty-six years ago, tells Calvin Zabo that it is time for Daisy to be born. She makes him promise that if anything happens to her, he will always protect their daughter. Are you referring to a flashback or a mention or something I haven't seen that episode in 3 years. What's the significance of this, why is it being brought up?

Marvelous 345678 wrote: In a deleted scene, Thanos refers to Gamora leaving him "all those years ago"

I am just doing the best thing I can to give a timeline that I can, if you don't agree with it, I am fine with it, because you are the one that knows how to work with this. I am just proposing changes so you can check them and see how to work with them. Wether if you want it or not.

P.S.: Those spoilers you get about Ant-Man and the Wasp are mostly wrong. No, no, man, you're really helpful. I just don't understand why you're suggesting December 9th, you haven't said what the reason is.

I don't know what you mean about the spoilers. I'm not going to ask "what spoilers?" because I don't want to know the spoilers, but I don't know what it is that I've said that you're responding to, or what you mean by "wrong".

As always, finishing off with a few things of my own to say: One more official Marvel thing saying Scott was imprisoned for 3 years, not that it was ever in question, just worth collecting all evidence we get.

And Iron Fist: Season 2's early release finally makes sense. It's apparently going to be 10 episodes and not 13, so now it's clearer why there was a faster turnaround on the show than there has been with the last few, and why, despite filming a tiny bit later than Daredevil: Season 3, it's coming earlier.

Because of my OCD I'm not massively happy that it's 10 instead of 13, but it could be beneficial for the quality of the show and I know 10 will feel like a bit less of a chore to power through. It's interesting that they're trying out not always doing 13 - I thought they would just stick with 13 for the foreseeable future. I'm sure Daredevil will still be 13 and I think the The Punisher showrunner recently talked about the 13-episode structure, suggesting The Punisher will also still be 13 - but yeah, I'm interested.

So you all know, I posted my finalised full Jessica Jones: Season 2 notes and calculations and have put the draft notes onto the draft page, along with the pre-existing events from April-May 2017 so I can work out the timings and order of, for example, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Jessica Jones events happening on the same day. I've started doing that.

And I'm also currently working on: So... yeah... even if it doesn't always look like it, I'm busy. And I'm also still somewhat busy outside of the wiki. So bits of work may only post in bursts, but it's all ticking along.
 * Cleaning up all my Luke Cage: Season 2 notes and finalising all the dates.
 * Film write-ups:
 * Finishing writing up Black Panther.
 * Finishing writing up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episodes 19-22 and Infinity War for the 2018 page, with all the events and timings in sorted order, as well as cleaning up the messy content of the 2018 page and clearing up exactly what happened in which timeline.
 * TV write-ups:
 * Checking the The Defenders: Season 1 write-ups.
 * Writing up The Punisher: Season 1.
 * Checking the Runaways: Season 1 write-ups.
 * Checking the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5 write-ups/writing up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5.
 * Writing up Jessica Jones: Season 2.
 * Checking the Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 write-ups/writing up Cloak & Dagger: Season 1.
 * Checking the Luke Cage: Season 2 write-ups/writing up Luke Cage: Season 2.
 * My blogs:
 * Rewriting my Luke Cage Past Dates blog.
 * Updating my Predicting Marvel Netflix Release Dates blog.
 * Updating my Asgardian Ageing blog.
 * Cleaning up/updating/partially rewriting my Phase One blog.
 * Finishing my List of Canon Content blog so I can do...
 * ... a Watch/Read Order blog which will help me resume...
 * ...my major project.
 * Updating my "8 Years Later" blog.
 * Finishing my Social Media Posts Compiled blog and then putting Danny's Instagram posts onto the timeline along with the other stuff.
 * A blog about all the changes that should be made to the "Timeline" page.
 * Cleaning up my Black Panther Past Dates blog.
 * A blog detailing the established non-fanon dates against the fanon dates.
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